Intelligent Design - Prophecy | John-UK | The Atheist Experience 945

[@wabbajack2]

John' mouth: "I believe everything is designed." Matt: "Why do you believe that?" John's mouth: "Uh. Well. The... it's the... uh... my observation... um... you see... I conclude it is designed." Matt: "Yes, we know. I asked why." John's inner world: *crickets*

[@robleesejones]

As an Englishman, I salute Matt's uses of the words "bollocks" and "cheers" at the end of this. Absolutely perfect from a Texan to convey such an understanding of our culture after displaying such a level of patience beforehand. You, sir, are a true gentleman.

[@carlmalone4011]

" You used to think poorly and you stillthink poorly". Nice one Matt.

[@RodneyMunch8767]

Thank you, Matt, for describing John's arguments in the proper English vernacular that he would understand by calling it "bollocks" (BTW: next time, prefix it with "utter" to give it its full British impact)

[@amtlpaul]

"complete and utter bullocks" is even better

[@graceskerp]

My favorite from the arena of the elegant 'in yo face', the English Parliament, "The honourable member has demonstrated that there is no such thing as unutterable nonsense."

[@neilharris2048]

Absolute bollocks is more than acceptable too.

[@jamspandex4973]

@@neilharris2048 total bollox

[@dopeydonaldtrump3744]

@@amtlpaul I don't wish to sound pedantic, but if you wish to use the correct English vernacular you need to use the word bollocks not bullocks. A bullock is a young bull as opposed to the spherical objects hanging between your legs.

[@andreasplosky8516]

I used to be a christian. Now, 35 years after I came to my senses, I do not even understand their ridiculous reasoning anymore. It is completely alien to me.

[@johnobrien1528]

What led to your awakening?

[@andreasplosky8516]

@@johnobrien1528 It is a combination. One of the most important factors was actually reading the bible myself, and discovering that christian theology is completely nonsensical and rather childish.

[@AnD1262]

@@andreasplosky8516 well I'm gonna hazard a guess and say the flavour of Christianity he's peddling is Jehovas witness or that other one that they are related to (I think it's "Bible students"). as, from experience, the U.N. destroying religion stuff I could parrot to you when I was 9. In short, the multi-headed beast eating the harlot in the book of revelation is apparently the U.N. destroying religion.

[@wiwlarue4097]

Let's assume there is a creator being behind the creation of life and the universe. Where does the creator is originating from? If we accept there has always been an intelligent creator behind all this without knowing the creator person's origins why can't we accept the universe has been there without knowing it's origins?

[@andreasplosky8516]

@@wiwlarue4097 Theists of course have other motives in making up this creator, especially the elites among the theists. Their power, and their ability to extract money from their flock depends on them keeping the fantasy alive with bullshit, whether it be ontological fallacies, or false promises about repaid interest in the afterlife etc..

[@ajclements4627]

“Intelligently designed” Sure we are. I have 15 rods in my spine from correcting a severe scoliosis curve, a VNS implant to help stop the 15-20 grand mal seizures I was having a day, I wear glasses, and have an oxygen concentrator at home because of my severe asthma. God’s ‘design’ sucks.

[@wrencestondwanson3437]

God designed/created EVERYTHING PERFECT in “The Garden of Eden (Gen 1:31). Adam & Eve were immortal. But death/disease/bad things were brought into the world by sin: “Therefore, just as sin entered the world through one man, and death through sin, and in this way death came to all people, because all sinned.” - Rom 5:12 Today, we have 3500 defects in our gene code, but there were none in the time of the “Garden.” Try to learn.

[@ajclements4627]

@@wrencestondwanson3437 STFU and take your meds gramps, your delusions are showing.

[@Gwaithmir]

@@wrencestondwanson3437 That's only a myth. Get an education.

[@wrencestondwanson3437]

@@Gwaithmir Sorry kid, but the Bible is not a myth. God wrote the Bible & used mankind to pen it. You actually think God would depend on weak stupid humans to think up and print his Word? That we'd be judged on "Judgement Day" by what men wrote and not what God wrote? God promised that he'd preserve his Word and he did (Psalm 11:6-7). Time to dump your asinine atheist cult that's INFAMOUS the world over for having ZERO ANSWERS, kid. The Bible is the ONLY coherent documented factually witnessed verified explanation of the full spectrum of true reality before nature (time/space/matter) was even created and it’s UNIMPEACHABLE. We know God wrote the Bible, due to it's content. Example: No goat herder knew that God created time/space/matter and thus, we know God wrote the very first verse of the Bible: "In the beginning (time), God created the heavens (space) and the earth (matter)." - Genesis 1:1. Science has only caught up with the Bible in the last 70 yrs, regarding the fact that this universe had a beginning. Try to learn. You people claim the Bible is a fairytale, yet provide nothing that proves you right. Atheism = proven delusion. God is real & you have no RATIONAL, POSSIBLE, step-by-step atheist explanation for reality, because there isn't one and there never will be. As an atheist, you will always have less-than-nothing, SO IT'S TIME TO DUMP THE ATHEIST CULT. I’ll help you.

[@amtlpaul]

@@wrencestondwanson3437 "death/disease/bad things were brought into the world by sin" How exactly did this happen?

[@ThePilbaraPrince]

As soon as John mentioned the end of Christendom at the hands of the United Nations I had to laugh. Dude is a Jehovah’s Witness. Their stupid doctrine was rammed down my throat for most of my life.

[@markbcrich]

They used to be secretly members of the UN for 9 years. Their members didn't know. They were outed by the Guardian news paper in 2001 and quietly left the next day. For those who found out and asked, they told them they only needed a library card to the UN library. lol

[@rockpadstudios]

yeah me too - I really believed it back in the day. The enemy of a false profit is time and the Revelation Book has been discontinued and they don't use it anymore. The also made subtle changes in later versions.

[@johnobrien1528]

I’m researching the JW organization for a project I’m working on. Could you elaborate on what are the biggest issues you have with the doctrine? I’m intrigued by the UN reference too? Thanks for any feedback. Peace

[@johnobrien1528]

@@rockpadstudios what led to your awakening?

[@guytheincognito4186]

@@rockpadstudios Subtle changes are and have been made to the bible itself since it was written and i'm not talking contradictions here but actual alterations to fit political parties and certain political policies such as abortion. 🧐

[@steveymoon]

On behalf of everyone in the UK... this guy is not an accurate representation of what people in the UK are like and I apologise.

[@Noname-w7f1e]

I don’t think one particular person should ever be considered to be a representative of any group unless there are very strict rules in that group that govern one’s behavior and thought patterns. For now I can just say that this guy is a great representative of whatever religious cult he is in but not of whatever country he is from!

[@Letts_prey]

Oh, I dunno Stevey, if you were born in the UK, AND born as a jehovah’s witness and not woken up yet, he’s quite representative 😉

[@FourDeuce01]

Looks like there are nutcases everywhere.😜

[@nikolatesla5553]

Don't think for one second that we are. If you watch this show, you will see people from all over the world that are just as naive and just as deluded.

[@guitardude125]

On behalf of everyone in the US of A, we don't really care about the UK, no need to apologize

[@holgerlubotzki3469]

The highest form of comedy known to humanity is unintelligent people proclaiming "intelligent design"...

[@holgerlubotzki3469]

@@walnutoil100 1) Tell us *WHAT* your "creator god" used to create life. 2) Tell us *HOW* your "creator god" created life. 3) Tell us *WHEN* your "creator god" created life. 4) Tell us *WHY* your "creator god" created life.

[@holgerlubotzki3469]

@@blarglemantheskeptic He is *HILARIOUS!!* He just cracks me up!

[@fredbohm4728]

@@walnutoil100 Prove natures exists

[@fredbohm4728]

@@walnutoil100 Prove there is information in nature.

[@fredbohm4728]

@@walnutoil100 Prove information is required for life.

[@euripidiesupman9755]

Stephen Fry asked "If there's an omnipotent and loving God, why do innocent children get bone cancer?"

[@bms77]

Common Christian argument: “Because we live in a fallen world and sin entered our world” 🙄🤦‍♂️

[@petyrkowalski9887]

Or its the old « god works in mysterious ways… »

[@igorjee]

@@bms77 Who let sin enter our world? God XD

[@arthurneddysmith]

It really is crazy to me that Monty Python went to the effort of having one of the characters from Life of Brian call in to the Atheist Experience. Now *THAT* is commitment to a joke. Congratulations, guys, very funny!

[@Yamajti]

I'm Brian and so is my wife

[@IdeasExchange1]

He's not the Messiah, he's just a stupid boy

[@PlanetZoidstar]

@@Yamajti Pretty sure that Dinnsdale is using religion to distract him from Spiny Norman.

[@PlanetZoidstar]

@@Yamajti Pretty sure that Dinnsdale is using religion to distract himself from Spiny Norman's existance.

[@gadams47]

Doug and Dinsy, looking’ at it frome a 'ole in the wall. To take a scrape around to Kerkigaurds' who just sits there biting the “eds of whippets. Not to mention using’ sarcasim. Good/terrifying to know idiots abound world wide.

[@anothertime1282]

As a Londoner can I apologise for John, a fellower Londoner. I took him at first for a reasonable and intelligent man. It was fascinating how that gradually unravelled under questioning. Fortunately we're not all like that.

[@colbypreslar4469]

I love just how arbitrary everything is in the mind of a theist.

[@petergamston1]

Is there some kind of "world's thickest caller" competition going on ?

[@marcdaniels9079]

Lol 😂

[@hecticnarcoleptic3160]

For years now XD. Still no winner though cause they just keep outdoing each other XD

[@remandstimpy]

Hey Yanks! It's not just your imagination. Speaking as a both a Brit and a Londoner. I can confirm. This guy's voice really does make him sound like a silly Monty Python character.

[@freddan6fly]

@@ookeekthelibrarian Or Rowan Atkinson in the parody of the debate after Life of Brian as Mervyn Stockwood. "Not the Nine O'Clock News - Monty Pythons worshipers" If you want a good laugh.

[@zoggdawg8141]

Reminds me of that skit about the professional twits.

[@marcimarce1207]

Yanks?

[@Yungrexy]

@@marcimarce1207 Yup, in the UK you're known as 'Yanks,' it's 'Ham Shanks' or 'Tommy Tanks' to a Cockney ;) What should we call you? I jokingly call you USA'ians because 'American' is nonsensical to me, the continent is called America, not the country... Canadians, Mexicans, Argentinians etc. are all American, just with a North/Central/South prefix respectively. Hope that helps, my North-American friend.

[@amtlpaul]

The ones that Michael Palin plays

[@user-rv8wb1nl1b]

as a brit , i apologise that someone went through our education system and ended up this ignorant.

[@brian9731]

He probably didn't go through the British education system. As another commenter has suggested, he's probably a Jehovah's Witness and they are mostly home schooled.

[@user-rv8wb1nl1b]

@@brian9731 home molested morelike

[@brian9731]

@@user-rv8wb1nl1b - high probability of mental abuse at least.

[@erniemathews5085]

It's obvious he never thought about most of this until the hosts brought it up, then he flounders.

[@xensonar9652]

"I agree with everything you say, but I believe the opposite."

[@rrpostalagain]

Ahhh, the old “it seems to me” argument.

[@TheQuantumWave]

The caller keeps using words but never connects in a way that makes a coherent thought.

[@JayMaverick]

You see, he's come to a conclusion. That's all that matters. /s

[@TenMinuteTrips]

@@JayMaverick … He not only has come to a conclusion that his position is true. He arrived to the debate with the conclusion that his arguments are the truth. All of his arguments are based on his conclusion that what he believes is true, is in fact true and therefore, must be true. This goes on ad infinitum. Yes, he’s come to a conclusion. What’s important in a healthy debate is to pin him down. Why does he believe that what he believes is true, is true? Get him off of the merry-go-round. Make him think.

[@Letts_prey]

@@TenMinuteTrips Little chance of that sadly, he’s been brainwashed as a jehovah’s witness. They have their 8 leaders set up their minds as god’s voice today, so until they discover the fallibility of those men, (past and present, there is so much, that they carefully try to hide, and use emotion driven cult language) someone like John won’t allow himself to be open to reason. They are given blinkers to wear, not to question, and not to look outside.

[@TenMinuteTrips]

@@Letts_prey With JWs, I always want an opportunity to ask them, “If annihilation is the only other alternative to life in paradise on earth (they don’t believe in hell), why would I care? That’d be like just dead and decomposed. Wouldn’t all that door knocking just be a waste of time? “ They might respond with something like wouldn’t I want to be with my family for all eternity. To which I would respond that I have no desire to spend Thanksgiving day with them, let alone for the rest of all eternity. OMG!!! Talk about Hell!

[@Letts_prey]

@@TenMinuteTrips Very good point. If you knew jw’s of late, spending eternity with them on earth would indeed be a type of hell. There are so many ‘plot holes’ in their doctrine, it’s easy to see from a distance, but those inside are steered in a fashion, and kept so busy in that cult, that they can’t see it right in front of them. Sadly, I’ve close family that are brainwashed in it, and are pretty much lost to me. Choosing not to have a family of their own, because they are waiting for the ‘new world’ to start a family. That’s how significantly radically indoctrinated they are.

[@arthurunknown8972]

Even if intelligently designed, prove that intelligence is a god(s) & not an advanced alien. Then, prove which god(s). Then, prove they said anything. Then, prove we should follow what they said.

[@Jeremy-ql1or]

The psychic was able to predict that my friends would call me an idiot when I told them I believed in psychics. How could he have made that prediction if he wasn't really psychic!

[@chrisking6695]

Therefore, God.

[@neilharris2048]

Dolphins have a wrist and hand structure in their flippers, that's either god knocking off early one Friday afternoon to go for a pint on the way home, or, dolphins evolved from another land based mammal that needed hands. Hhhhmmm isn't god supposed to be infallible?

[@mjc8281]

As someone from the UK I'm stunned how often you find people from the UK that believes in Intelligent Design, I have moved around the UK and the wider world and I hadn't ran into anyone who believed in Intelligent Design before moving to the US

[@_Somsnosa_]

If you hang around with people that are more working class or right wing then you will find more creationists and Christians. They tend to keep it to themselves because they don't want to be "persecuted". A wc guy from East London once said to me "There aren't any dinosaurs in the Bible so I don't believe they existed, where's the evidence? ".

[@Letts_prey]

Then you must be very lucky MJ C, to have not come into contact with the jehovah’s witnesses. They all have this same small minded blinkered view. That’s what this John is. Unless of course you have, but you had the presence of mind to say, “no thanks” before they opened their mouths and made fools of themselves.

[@mjc8281]

@@Letts_prey To be honest I have always found the Millerite movement really interesting and lived next door to a Seventh-day Adventist Church for a number of years, However I have never got into a deep philosophical debate with anyone from them, at least not in the UK, I have had some discussion in the US with regards dating(as in historical dating that is!!! this was before I was aware of the 1914 teachings that are important to a number of sects within some of these groups).

[@alterbridgegod]

I've never met a creationist in the UK in 30 years lol

[@digbycrankshaft7572]

​@@mjc8281seventh day Adventism is every but as bigoted, extreme and scriptural false as Jehovahs witnesses

[@TallSilentGuy]

0:32 Straight in with the old false dichotomy/strawman sandwich: "Either God did it or it all happened completely by accident as per atheism". 🙄 Why didn't either of the hosts flag this false dichotomy immediately?

[@rrpostalagain]

Matt rephrased it into a true dichotomy, but the distinction was completely lost on the dullard. I don’t as thinking the same thing though.

[@marcdaniels9079]

Believers just love a Black and White Fallacy

[@Leishtek]

This is a great example of circular reasoning. Dude just went from one topic to another. It's a great example of moving the goalposts as well. People seem to accept Christianity because it seems like there are a million different reasons why it's true, but really when you start working at it what you have is a million different bad reasons and excuses propping each other. This conservation could have gone on for 10 hours and the guy would have just gone onto the next excuse, and the next one, and the next one, ad infinitum.

[@anothertime1282]

'Dude just went from one topic to another.' - And what was really fascinating was that at each point as his argument was destroyed he agreed with Matt, and then moved on to the next vacuuous point as if nohting had happened. Priceless.

[@eenie1234]

John is the last guy I want to end up stuck with in the pub.

[@marcdaniels9079]

Genius!

[@petyrkowalski9887]

He would try to grind you down and recruit you to be a jehovas witness.

[@anthonyharty1732]

@@petyrkowalski9887 And FAIL!!!!! 😂

[@digbycrankshaft7572]

I don't think joeys (Jehovah's witnesses) are allowed to go to pubs unless it's to corrupt the unwary into joining their evil cult.

[@WhitbyStuff]

Dude brought a banana to a knife fight.

[@Brammy007a]

John has called many times..... it always goes the same way..... makes a claim, gets shot down, and then says that there are better ones.

[@travisriordan9514]

These people who think that they have a superior intellect and knowledge, never answer questions and/or reasonably explain their conclusions.

[@bphennesy]

Woman: Only the true Messiah denies his divinity! Brian: What?! Well, what sort of chance does that give me?! All right, I am the Messiah! Crowd: He is! He is the Messiah!

[@sunzi42]

Insert Paulogias melody tune: "For the bible tells me so!"

[@FourDeuce01]

“I want to talk about evolution and the origin of life.” He probably doesn’t understand that those are two separate subjects.😏

[@BornOnThursday]

Oh, he certainly doesn't. "Ye-, it's like... all connected, and Ye-, it's designed because like... it works."

[@digbycrankshaft7572]

I think this individual doesn't understand a lot of things

[@sparki9085]

"people love money" - quite possibly the least convincing prophecy

[@rogerbee697]

I love the intelligence design of joining an air tube with a food tube... what could possibly go wrong?...😂🤣🤢🤮😭😂

[@vincentking2552]

Don't forget the recreation center is also connected to water management.

[@rogerbee697]

@@vincentking2552 You mean waste management…

[@TheWuschi]

Hiking in the woods round my home town in Europe, I found a pretty piece of light sandstone with the "Anarchist-A" in dark sandstone on its surface, complete with circle around it and all. This proves beyond doubt, that an intelligent anarchist (like, a-hem, me) must have designed this f*ing universe. I am looking forward to meeting her, I've got a lotta questions... (meanwhile, I put my sandstone to my Cacti; they seem to love it)

[@anapeiroten4182]

Hello from Scotland comrade.🏴󠁧󠁢󠁳󠁣󠁴󠁿🖤🏴

[@TheWuschi]

@@anapeiroten4182 Hello back from Vienna, Austria! :-)) 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁳󠁣󠁴󠁿

[@Nivola1953]

“At 7:43 “To get the energy into the physical…..yadda yadda” What the hell does that mean? Did I miss some Neil DeGrasse Tyson lesson or John missed few weeks in physics class?

[@AkanoWire]

"to get the energy into the physical" i think that sums up falicy of incredulity xD

[@Heathen.Deity.]

As a fellow Brit, I struggle to see how John and I have been through much of the same education system.

[@quantumquestthebillionaire1527]

Lol I wonder if he is a window cleaner?

[@petyrkowalski9887]

He was indoctrinated into a cult

[@digbycrankshaft7572]

He was probably home schooled by his religious wingnut parents.

[@carlmalone4011]

Phenomenon following the dictates of physics are not random. Their observation matches calculation using expectation values in Q.M.

[@annk.8750]

They like the word "random", or "pure chance". It allows them to use that old "Boeing 747 out of a junkyard" nonsense. I've replied before that we don't load random chemicals into a reactor, and then all pray that this time it becomes a polyester instead of a polystyrene.

[@artistjoh]

Theists are alway like this - they present their best evidence, and then as that one goes down in flames they magically come up with an alternative that is supposedly even better. Rather than admit a problem with their ideas they just go on to the next one. It is just throwing mud at the wall and hoping that some will stick.

[@RationalThinker1859]

Yep, the gradual topic shift.

[@WhizzRichardThompson]

Sometimes I'm embarrassed to be British. Hearing John is one such occasion.

[@timg7627]

Fair point Sir. On the flip side, being from the US I’m also embarrassed by the multitude of callers on this show.

[@graceskerp]

That word salad is the aural equivalent of Valium.

[@heinz57channel39]

Dunning Kruger effect.

[@glenw3814]

I got a good belly laugh when he said "My proof is the fulfilled prophecy found in the Bible". 🤤 I was holding out hope he might not be an idiot...right up until that sentence. 🤷‍♂️

[@elainejohnson6955]

Why didn't the prophecy in Ezekiel 26 about Tyre being conquered by King Nebuchadnezzar come true?

[@cnp172]

Intelligent design believers use the eye as a proof of intelligent design due to its perfectness in complexity and performance. If it is so perfect, why has an eagle with roughly the same eye size a better performance in resolution than the human eye and why has a cat or dog better night vision than humans. Why does the design criteria differ? If the designer (God?) is able to come up with a marvelous design for eagles and dogs, why was the best from both not implemented in the human eye? So God thinks apparently that animals deserve better designed eyes than the Christians who pray to him every day.

[@arcturusascending]

And why do I wear glasses if the eye was such a perfect design.

[@diogeneslamp8004]

How to foretell the future 1. Guess. 2. Magically know the future. 3. Truck you into thinking I know the future. 4. Know enough about the domain I’m foretelling (economics, politics, sports, etc.) that I can make an intelligent prediction based on domain experience and pattern recognition.

[@AmericaTheSimpleMinded]

I predicted that NFT’s were a scam. I’m a god.

[@AbleAnderson]

This is the “energy slows down into physical” guy if anyone remembers that call lol

[@TheTruthKiwi]

I love the pregnant pauses and stuttering when this guy tries to explain himself. Hilarious.

[@arldoran]

Using Pinker's book as counter-argument was a text book definition of overkill. :)

[@leonwoodley99]

The sound quality in these old vid is insane.

[@jamesdrake2058]

As a fellow Brit this is embarrassing. Either he's taking the piss or the educational establishment has failed (again).

[@digbycrankshaft7572]

Probably home schooled

[@bunnykiller]

I have watched dozens of these videos of TAE and it never fails that when a theist is asked a point blank question needing a y/n answer they deflect, change subject, come up with an off the mark analogy in attempts to avoid answering the question, some of them are quite masterful at it too in a few cases... but seriously, why cant they just answer it?? Why the need to wiggle away from answering??

[@AmericaTheSimpleMinded]

And jump from topic to topic. Started with religion, then evolution, then prophecy, then a moral discussion, then a complete abandonment with no connecting thread. It’s like people who think the Earth is flat who say they can prove it “scientifically”. You give them the opportunity and it boils down to “you can’t believe anyone but me otherwise you believe everything you’re told” and expect it to be taken seriously.

[@BoneySkylord]

Wow! This bloke is Peter Cook brought back to life. I kept expecting Dudley Moore to join in.

[@jshaers96]

Good spot! It's E L Wisty.

[@fatmaramadan6928]

@@jshaers96 Sounds more like Harry Enfield... "You don't want to do it like that..."

[@Acteaon]

I wonder if John , later , was suspected to be a troll.

[@JayMaverick]

Ah the British Otangelo, before Otangelo was a thing.

[@Danny451]

"The future ain't what it used to be." -Yogi Berra.

[@RationalThinker1859]

It gets late early out there.

[@Danny451]

@@RationalThinker1859 🤣

[@jamspandex4973]

Also when talking about the prediction of the future, Matt missed out a step - once you have granted that a supernatural entity was the best explanation, then there is ANOTHER step that is needed, which is that this supernatural entity is a god, and EVEN THEN, the assumption is that this god must be the god that created the universe, and THEN to assume that this god that created the universe is the SAME god as discussed in the bible.

[@kunedoman]

"Creation by chance" or "intelligent design" are NOT the only two options! Maybe these are the only two options the human mind has the ability to know of & consider, there could an array of other possibilities that the human brain has no concept of their existence. Just like physics as we know it may be different after going into a black hole, or beyond the cosmos.

[@Jahwobbly]

When Matt mentioned “game theory” he was talking about a concept for which there is a perfect word in Poker. The word is “leveling,” as in: “he knew that I new, but I knew he knew that, so I leveled (or out-leveled) him.

[@ejflor1313]

Found the losing poker player. Yikes. But hey keep trying, more money for the rest of us.

[@danpreston564]

It’s David Beckham, isn’t it?

[@Jedi_Vigilante]

The fact that the conspiracy theory that I believe has no evidence to support it just shows that it is true, because it is true and people are working to hide it... ^how religious people think about prophecy, especially the end-times

[@thomassmith-s4i]

If everything needs design, then who or what designed God? Or is god not part of "everything?" Intelligent designers would claim that God is NOT part of everything, but however they want to dance around it, if they can conceive of something with no beginning, then why can' t they accept a universe with no design and no beginning? I am totally fine with accepting the Universe as God, if there must be such a thing, but a God with no apparent connection to us or concern for us at all.

[@landsgevaer]

"Everything has a cause" cannot be extrapolated to any scale. For example, particle decay - as far as we understand - doesn't have a cause. We certainly can't be sure the universe needs a cause. Even if god didn't need a cause, then the universe doesn't either. I wish that assumption would not be accepted without evidence or logical support.

[@holgerlubotzki3469]

@@walnutoil100 Shifting the burden!

[@landsgevaer]

@@walnutoil100 Evidence for non-existence, you ask!? Such evidence doesn't exist. Like I wrote, a positive statement needs evidence. The statement "everything needs a cause" requires evidence. Until then I do not accept it. That does not imply that I accept the opposite statement, in principle yet. I can go further though, since in fact I do tentatively accept that not everything has a cause. I can give evidence that current physics doesn't require a cause for particle decay. Look up hidden variables and Bell's theorem. Particles are just particles, they don't have an internal clock that ticks down. The theory of particle decay doesn't need that, as it stands. Btw: that doesn't prove that current physics is right or complete (it almost surely isn't), but it shows that working models of reality cán be formulated that do not include causes for everything. That is all I need. Causes do not *necessarily* exist. And then, on showing the universe doesn't require a cause if god doesn't. If god doesn't need a cause, then there are exceptions to the supposed rule that "everything needs a cause". That logically follows. If you apply an amended rule like "everything often has causes, but not always" to the universe, you cannot conclude anything about whether the universe has a cause. That also follows logically, it seems to me. If you are allowed to use special pleading for god, taking exception to the rule that everything has a cause, then anyone is allowed special pleading too, for example for the universe. If you can posit special properties for a god without evidence, not having a cause being one of them, then I can posit those for the universe. (That would not be a scientific approach though, so I don't take it for the universe, and I don't accept it for god.) For clarity (...?), I can add that fundamental physics doesn't seem to be formulated in terms of cause and effect. There is only coincidence when particles interact, and local continuity when states develop over time. The arrow of time and the existence of apparent causes are emergent only at macroscopic scale, it looks like.

[@wyldink1]

@@walnutoil100 So you're saying we do know the cause of particle decay? I'm excited to hear it. This is going to change a massive field of science with what you're about to demonstrate! I can't wait!

[@wyldink1]

@@walnutoil100 Yes, you are shifting the burden. I'm glad you can at least recognize that. Now, can you demonstrate that anyone knows what causes particle decay? Because you've implicitly adopted the position that someone does.

[@landsgevaer]

@@walnutoil100 Jeez, need I point it out? I can't scroll these comments and type at the same time, but you literally asked for evidence for my statement that particle decay doesn't have a cause, earlier. That is the same as asking for evidence for the non-existence of a cause for particle decay. Which is asking me to prove a non-existence. Next you suggest you never asked for evidence of non-existence. I don't mind explaining myself, I spent a bit of effort earlier. But that I find a dishonest way of discussing. I'm convinced you can understand. [Addendum: in your reply to Jason you ask for evidence for his restatement of yoúr own position; another example of what I find dishonest. You are derailing the discussion by splitting it into ever more subthreads of statements that need to be proved until nobody understands anymore, and then you'll claim we didn't meet our burden of proof. Next you will ask for me to provide evidence for this previous sentence too.] So thank you for reading through my entire response, I value that; but I shan't be repaying the favor.

[@douglaspierce8480]

As I've said many times before, the biggest argument AGAINST intelligent design is that we don't have four arms.

[@annk.8750]

The mothers of small children would agree with you.

[@oddctioum]

"God is going to destroy Christendom and all Religions to use the united Nation..." it would be funny if he was joking but i got the feeling he wasnt even doing that.

[@tommystyx]

Most of the time when we hear someone with an English accent we tend to think they are smart, this isn't one of those times.

[@mackhomie6]

Matt said both bollocks and cheers to this guy lol

[@theunrepentantatheist24]

Its a pity he did not start with his UN conspiracy. Call would have been over in 10 seconds.

[@williamtarry4405]

"Intelligent design" proponents claim that a god created everything. I've asked these people for the scientific evidence that supports their claims. So far, they have not provided any scientific evidence supporting their theories. Can any theist/intelligent design proponents provide any scientific evidence supporting their theory?

[@williamtarry4405]

@@walnutoil100 I have made no claim that requires evidence. I'm asking those who have made a claim to provide their scientific evidence. Your continuing attempts to shift the burden of proof are also continuing to fail. Have a great day!

[@williamtarry4405]

@@walnutoil100 You wrote: "you claimed no one ever showed evidence" Go back in all my posts and see where I've asked for scientific evidence. You can also see that they never offered scientific evidence. Do YOU have any scientific evidence to support your claims?

[@williamtarry4405]

@@walnutoil100 you wrote: "Prove ID proponents claim a god" Watch the video. This ID proponent claims a god. One more time: Do you have any scientific evidence supporting your claims?

[@amtlpaul]

@@walnutoil100 "Prove ID proponents claim a God" P1: Intelligent design is the hypothesis that nature and what is in was all designed by an intelligence P2: An intelligence with the knowledge and power to design and create everything would be a God C: Intelligence design proponents claim that there is a God

[@williamtarry4405]

@@amtlpaul Thank you for your assistance. NHE seems to have not watched the video, or he would know his question was already answered. I wonder if he'll ever answer my question? he seems unwilling or unable to answer any question I have for him. Have a great day!

[@chfr927]

The hallmark of theist callers is not listening. And they rarely realize that a point they attempt to make having been refuted.

[@petermirtitsch1235]

This clown isn't using full sentences. He put together unrelated chains of two or three words.

[@ChockHolocaust]

John is an example that not everything which is exists is a result of intelligence.

[@danielsnyder2288]

This guy doesn't understand science

[@holgerlubotzki3469]

@@walnutoil100 Prove you understand science, Doc!

[@freddan6fly]

The sentence is a bit long. I would be satisfied with: "This guy doesn't understand"

[@litchfiedr]

Are you sure this wasn't David Beckham?

[@bthearen]

To me, this line "of everything happening by chance" is just nonsensical. Then, of course, adding it was either chance or god(which is what they mean by ID, they might as well say it) is even more silly. From what I understand, life is inevitable. Given enough time and the right environment, life will find a way. Besides that, we know it happened. From the millions of species that are already instinct to the millions alive today... the odds are about 100%. Besides that, we have testable, repeatable, and observable evidence on how life evolved. There is no good or sufficient evidence for intelligent design. ID isn't science and proponents simply just try to poke holes in evolution.

[@walnutoil100]

life is inevitable. Given enough time and the right environment, life will find a way. - Your evidence is? How did nature overcome the natural barriers of the early earth's chemistry? How did nature create the information in DNA and in the cell? "evidence on how life evolved. There is no good or sufficient evidence for intelligent design. ID isn't science and proponents simply just try to poke holes in evolution."- Your evidence is? How did evo create the new functional biological information required for new tissues, organs and body plans?

[@fredbohm4728]

@@walnutoil100 prove there is information in DNA.

[@fredbohm4728]

@@walnutoil100 Prove there is information in a cell.

[@fredbohm4728]

@@walnutoil100 Prove you are not an idiot.

[@ajclements4627]

@@fredbohm4728 He proved he was a long long time ago.

[@andyhodge9703]

John I do hope you have listened back to this recording and seen the error of your ways . God bless you .

[@robertfreeman6082]

“Lay your quote on me” …… can we get that on a T-shirt in the merch please 😀

[@kelduck8851]

1/ People will communicate an electronic devices and make not 1 iota of sense, the people will consider it babble. 2/Rumours of things going astray and a great confusion of where things really are. Noone will know where those little things lie... 3/ A friend shall lose a friends hammer. 4/The young will not know where lieth, the things possessed by their fathers, that their fathers just put there only just the night before. About 8 O'Clock. 5/ The gods will look down in disbelief and start banging their heads on the table. 6/The huge noise and vibrations will destroy mighty civilizations and great empires throughout the lands. Beware the end times are close, No. 1 and 3 have already occured!

[@ejflor1313]

Well that caller certainly said a lot of words

[@claudiasolomon1123]

The prophecy foretold, during the Last Days.. . people will be greedy & selfish. Mind, blown.

[@robertcox433]

An organism with such vulnerability, how ridiculous to think that humans were created by a god. I mean why didn’t it create something that wasn’t so fragile.

[@HarryNicNicholas]

what gets me is god playing games, on the one hand he's hidden, fair enough we ought to have faith, but on the other he shows himself in these silly ways, god is a tease.

[@b00nz0r]

This guy: “physics are wrong, only god matters’

[@b00nz0r]

‘Let’s take that as true’ what….. simple logic?

[@Bruin_ffs]

Favourite team

[@coreybuckley485]

I agree but let me explain why I actually disagree

[@johnharling5246]

John is not the brightest bulb on the Christmas tree

[@bogdanpatru2742]

"You are right, I have concluded intelligent design without any proof" "Why would you believe in intelligent design without proof?" "I have got proof, it's prophecy in the bible" ...

[@WalkingDday]

I don’t want to get too much into that. Because I don’t know wtf I’m talking about.

[@jameshenderson4876]

"And why would you say that?" [Caller's entire ability to explain falls apart]

[@brian9731]

As a matter of fact, we can synthesise elements and given enough energy, we can produce matter from it or at least there is all the theory in place to be able to do that.

[@joshuastarnes9563]

Watching this in 2022 wondering if I missed the end times...

[@guytheincognito4186]

If religious claims are measured against scientific realities, and fail, isn't it fair to say that religious claims do not stand up to their standard of infallibility?

[@simplicityistheultimatesop6571]

God shouldn’t make mistakes and He didn’t.

[@guytheincognito4186]

@@simplicityistheultimatesop6571 Sure can't make mistakes if you don't exist. I'm not arguing that though am I.)) The human eye for example is littered with what any designer would call severe mistakes, were it an actual design. 👁

[@leehogg4624]

This sounds like my friend Ian from Nottingham. He was a manager at royal mail then left to become a vicar .....hmmm

[@leehogg4624]

He's also now a vicar and not from London but Nottingham. The dishonestly here is awful. Sorry Ian, you're a nice guy but stand up for what you believe and be bloody honest .

[@kratosGOW]

Would it be fair to label this John from London the personification of gullibility?

[@bcgroves]

It’s EL Wisty from the World Domination League!!

[@Jeremy-ql1or]

Lol..this is TOO funny: The caller is speaking at a perfect 2/3 normal pace. Play this video at 1.5x speed to see for yourself how perfect. I just can't get over how hilarious that is.

[@jfergs.3302]

Well this was painful... On the plus side, this guy is very, very much in the minority in the UK.

[@93Current]

Thou hast said he spake bollocks! I had actually thought Americans did not use the term bollocks, so to hear Matt say it has made my day. It is a perfect description of what the gentleman said as well. Did Matt use the term because the caller was englsh?