Meteor Lake Overview: In-depth with Intel Architects and Engineers | Talking Tech | Intel Technology

[@__aceofspades]

Brand new Intel 4 node, chiplets, new P-core, E-core and GPU architectures, integrated NPU AI engine, and more. Meteor Lake looks like a revolutionary step forward.

[@bigcazza5260]

na p cores are just a tick of raptor cove

[@AlexSchendel]

Great job team! Really looking forward to seeing MTL come to market and shake up the mobile compute space!

[@tomokonakajima9992]

It was great team work to designed and taped in MTL SoC with the team in my organization, DDG. I'm proud of a part of the MTL design team!!

[@TrevorSullivan]

This is incredible innovation from Intel! I can't wait to get Meteor Lake into my hands!

[@MegaDeano1963]

Wow, great to see a team coming together doing stuff that blows our mere mortal minds . Big hand clap 👏

[@j340_official]

So will we get a low-power Meteor Lake Raspberry Pi with just a SoC tile ?

[@AndrewMellor-darkphoton]

I think tiny dies need to be monolithic. I don't think the SoC die is complete.

[@ablesam]

Doubt it, its still expensive (TSMC N6) and too big.

[@Luckyn00bOC]

Question : the LP E-Cores on SoC Tile, is it similar architecture to the typical E-Core on the Compute die, just different V/f curve? Or different architecture?

[@AndrewMellor-darkphoton]

I think to change nodes do you have to change the architecture slightly and then probably reduced cash. Tsmc 6nm efficiency might be denser than Intel 4 performance, because performance nodes tend to reduce density for better transistors and weaker transmission lines, they might have different transistor profiles for each core in intel 4.

[@HDRPC]

@@AndrewMellor-darkphoton yes Intel 4 is same as TSMC 3nm.

[@alejandrohoyos8555]

the LP E-cores and are the same as the ones on the compute tile. Just attached to different power rails and different power states

[@HDRPC]

@@alejandrohoyos8555 lp cores will run even on lower frequency

[@HDRPC]

​@@AndrewMellor-darkphoton lpE cores are running at very low frequency and using latest nodes is not providing better efficiency than TSMC 6nm so they are saving cost using TSMC 6nm and also getting great efficiency. Intel 4 node is more efficient and more powerful than TSMC 4nm.

[@HuntaKiller91]

Basically it's an efficient variant of 14900k and arc a380

[@DowneyMax]

I love Intel, man. Meteor Lake seems to be a big change since Tiger Lake for me

[@01ai01]

Wow, great video. The quantity of advancements in this generation is mind-boggling. Nice work folks!

[@asitkumarverma]

Great to See You Rajshree! Congratulations for another breakthrough product at Intel

[@JayzBeerz]

Meteor Lake is gonna be a beast.

[@adamkee97]

Intel is awakening! Intel is truly back! 😭

[@Olibelus]

It’s just a company making products to make money. Ya’ll need to stop pretending companies are your friends or care about you.

[@PaulsTechSpace]

@@blue-lu3izEmojis are not supposed to be taken literal

[@6XCcustom]

are they seems more like Intel is just getting worse every year kzbin.info/www/bejne/mqHInINqocd0g9k

[@BolusTube]

8:27 Why are correcting him when he mentioned VPU (Intel's AI accelerator) with NPU (Apple's AI chip).

[@alejandrohoyos8555]

In the development stage it was called VPU but the name was changed at the end, to NPU, to have a better representation of what is capable.

[@HDRPC]

​@@alejandrohoyos8555yes

[@SrimanthTenneti]

But wouldn’t we have increased latency if we choose to move the workload between tiles based on efficiency ordering once the execution starts ?

[@samsonadeboga223]

The giant is now Awake, the industry is experiencing great awakening

[@matthewhayes7671]

Thank you as always, Alex, for being such a great host and interviewer. Where can I get one of those Meteor Lake t-shirts!?

[@alejandrohoyos8555]

Thanks Matthew! On the shirt let me see what I can do since those were a bit of short batch that was made.

[@matthewhayes7671]

@@alejandrohoyos8555 Nice, thanks! Such a cool design.

[@336pratik]

Thanks for sharing beautiful journey of MeteorLake!!!

[@kelownatechkid]

Great stuff guys!!

[@DhavalshreeKhedkar]

Happy to see Leads are From Bharat 🎉

[@EnochGitongaKimathi]

Very good presentation. The topics discussed had a lot of information and good visual aids. I was hoping for more news on the GPU Tile. What about Thunderbolt 5? The timing of Thunderbolt 5 announcement doesn't make sense if it is not integrated to Core Ultra.

[@Arkan_Fadhila]

Unfortunately TB5 will need additional chip that's not baked into meteor lake package. Hopefully next gen will integrate TB5 natively

[@EnochGitongaKimathi]

@@Arkan_Fadhila I understand that Thunderbolt 5 requires new controllers. Intel released a teaser of Thunderbolt 5 last year calling it Thunderbolt Next. I'm frustrated that they couldn't get their schedules aligned. You announce the release of a feature only for the feature to be missing on the yet to be announced or released product. There was no rush in announcing Thunderbolt 5 before Meteor Lake. The earliest we can get Thunderbolt 5 is with Arrow Lake which comes out next year. That is a whole year of asking where is Thunderbolt 5. It is a fail for me. Meteor Lake has a separate die/Tile for the IO which is physically smaller than the other Tiles and on an older manufacturing process node compared to the rest. It is the cheapest die to manufacture.

[@ablesam]

@@EnochGitongaKimathi Thunderbolt 5 was just announced, it will take a while for OEMs to finish with design and mass manufacturing of their products. Plus Intel has stated that Thunderbolt 4 and 5 will co-exist. TB5 will be a premium tier of Thunderbolt and TB4 will continue to be the norm for most people.

[@EnochGitongaKimathi]

@@ablesam Thunderbolt is developed by Intel. Meteor Lake is developed by Intel. In 1st August 2021 Gregory M Bryant an executive at Intel was touring their facilities and meeting teams based in Israel. He posted on social media about the visit. The post included a picture of a demonstration for Thunderbolt 5 an early working prototype. The brief for the demo was 80G PHY tech based on novel PAM3 modulation. Basically everything Thunderbolt 5 is today. Intel are also the main contributors for USB. USB4 V2 was announced late 2022. Intel have been working on Thunderbolt 5 longer than Meteor Lake. Do the math

[@ablesam]

​@@EnochGitongaKimathi I know exactly what you are talking about Enoch (in all sincerity), but my point still stands. Meteor Lake's tiles started design back in 2019 when they projected it inline with when TB4 would be adopted by the mass market. Hence they decided to skip TB5 and launch it in a future platform. You already know that Meteor Lake has had scaling issues with high-performance tiles hence the desktop variants have been axed. It didn't make sense for Intel to adopt and focus on high-performance specs on Meteor Lake just yet. Heck, even the tGPU was nerfed down from 12 Xe cores down to 8. Simply put, even though TB5 has been in development for a long time, it didn't make sense with Meteor Lake's schedule. Also, Meteor Lake was originally supposed to come out in Q1 2023. This product has been delayed for way too long. So if some things seem underwhelming, realize if it had launched on time, it would have been way cooler.

[@batuhanguvenc6633]

I love how intel innovate this much of technology and put effort on it . I think this two years will be perfect for intel and their costomers . And i have question . In 4.41 you said that 4 therads on p cores and 2 threads on e cores.normaly there are 2 therads on p cores and one on e cores . I didnt hear that one core has 4 threads . I am confused . Am i misunderstand something??

[@alejandrohoyos8555]

You are right. There P cores are multithreaded and capable of 2 threads per core and E cores are single threaded. There are no cores ( so far on the client space) that provide 4 threads

[@bmwnut5521]

Finally, a reason for me to move back to intel!

[@killermoon635]

I did not known that there is that many indians in intel Did raja hire them before he left ??

[@joegaffney8006]

I do wonder how long these newer micro service type cpus and apus will last. The old monolithic cpus still work after decades of use.

[@joegaffney8006]

@@blue-lu3iz more points of failure by overengineering. Defining obsolete depends on the use case, I'm still rocking an x5687 in a server.

[@DileepB]

Has it hit the PRQ milestone?

[@sporefergieboy10]

Invite Ian Cutress (King Ian) to your glass fab! He wants to go

[@j340_official]

Impressive. But where is TB5 with Meteor Lake? I feel like this would've been a good Lake to add TB5. "Core Ultra" with no "Ultra" TB5 80 Gbps? I feel I will have to wait on the next Lake (with TB5) before I upgrade. Keep up the good work!

[@BarAlexC]

They must have started working on these architectures by the time zen 2 came out, if not right after the release of zen 1, even. If so, that's a good sign of what healthy competition does...

[@dabdoube92]

What makes you say they weren't ?

[@MikeJohn-tb1yp]

I'm getting my degree in Electrical engineering. So I can work for intel.

[@GeekNerdNoir]

I hope all the IO workload comes back to the CPU as it used to be in the old days. That would lessen the latency 12th, 13th gen had while using Windows.

[@lycanthoss]

it's a Windows problem, which Microsoft hasn't fixed. Use Linux if you care about latency I guess

[@Sheerwinter]

@_@ will there be a solar lake? Blackhole lake! White hole lake! 😅 Venus lake!!!!

[@platin2148]

Is intel still struggling with serdes or why is that produced at tsmc? Really good work now you guys have to produce it and make it actually to tons of products. Also amazing that the first true scale intel 4 node is getting to the people. Hmm the NPU feels a bit like a bit of wasted space for gimmicks to the user, not a lot ai that has useful use cases. Can i somehow use the npu for normal compute?

[@adamkee97]

Maybe next year is the year for a new laptop. 😅

[@Vegemeister1]

Will the new Thread Director stuff for the low-power island E-cores integrate with the Linux kernel's Energy Model and energy-aware scheduler APIs? Then things like software update checks and search indexing could run be run with utilization clamps so they would automatically sit on the most efficient cores and not cause the CPU to boost. I hope x86 and ARM aren't forever doomed to separate NIH frameworks.

[@COMATRON.]

i guess MS is looking very closely at this - windows and xbox will go ARM if the amd64 platform does not change rapidly and drasticly in terms of power/watt and hardware media encoding structures. look at apple - as much i despite them. if intel was 3 years earlier with this - maybe that part of the industry that switched to arm would have stayed.

[@alexanderbelov6892]

MS has to invent how to execute X86_64 applications on ARM arch faster than on Intel or AMD CPUs.

[@KabelkowyJoe]

23:00 Here is the tricky part of design made of tales, multiple tales design, not only you have assembly properly. But if chances of good part are 95% x 95% x 95% x 95% x 95% yeld of 1 IO + 4 CPU tiles drop to 77% what AMD "invented" came with cost. I never thought about that :) 99% to power 9 = 91% then 9% CPU's are potentially wasted. Unless you are able to test and disable

[@Atomus87]

Tiles couls be tested before adding to whole package, do you stay with 95%

[@KabelkowyJoe]

@@Atomus87 Yes but what is different Intel put these one on top of another, unlike AMD, it's additional challenge to test, what i learnt from another video they designed these building blocks in such way to be able test each individual block electrically before assembly. Unlike other companies - testing only visually before and after assembly. If i remember correctly around 2018 i saw this "technology" in Altera's FPGA portfolio because Altera had multiple tales design before Intel even dreamed about 4nm.

[@hussienalsafi1149]

❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️

[@MikeJohn-tb1yp]

God bless india lol. Thank you for working and choosing the US and intel.

[@And-vx6ry]

i7 1460p-1470p or whatever they would call it, would be exciting processor for laptops + paired with 770m battlemage

[@Atomus87]

There is no such thing as battlemage for now and before it comes, if it comes at all, there will be already Arrow lake and lunar lake on the market. Meteor lake is rather for efficiency so for performance purpose better get other CPU like Raptor lake and arrow lake.

[@And-vx6ry]

@@Atomus87 the upcoming cpu graphics architecture will be better refined than dedicated arc gpu architecture , probably arc + if you wanna call it that. Maybe next cpu graphics will be battlemage.

[@Atomus87]

@@And-vx6ry But its only integrated graphics. Thermal budget will make it as irrelevant as the current one, not mentioning jokingly slow RAM. It can beat AMD integrated chip and that's all. When it comes to battlemage I was rather commenting that its release date will be already after Arrowlake architecture. Noone will think about meteorlake when it comes to performance chips as it will be easily beaten and will be the one to use with BM.

[@And-vx6ry]

@@Atomus87 my bad comment, as i use 770m name or intel dedicated gpu name with intel gpu architecture name battleimage. I meant at least 14th gen integrated graphics will be slightly better than current integrated and maybe can be called arc+ for this comment. You are informative Do you think integrated graphics will be improved to arc+ or equal to arc with expected die shrink ? I really need upgrade for portable windows pc and that av1 encode, at least this av1 encode should be faster ? Like a good light portable machine 360 rotating, 120 hz screen, av1 encode. I really liked that lenovo laptop with arc a370m 4gb 12700h but with soldered ram and so much heat, i held myself back. I am really looking forward to meteor lake for expected 1480 or 1490 cpu series.

[@Atomus87]

@@And-vx6ry all signs are looking good, but also newest games are more demanding so in this case there wont be a leap. For older titles I guess it would be nice upgrade, I count for at least 30%. For other usage it should be really good deal but important is to have both memory channels filled and highest native ram speed supported. With producers pushing toward soldering ram and usually only one channel it could be struggle to pick one with ressonable price. We will see

[@Decki777]

indians are working harder and smarter for US more than India 😂 what ever all I want is faster CPU

[@Cryptic_Chai]

Indians are working harder and smarter for making world a better place! 😄

[@Decki777]

@@Cryptic_Chai US company makes world a better place 😂

[@Nuk1945]

All Indian tech

[@christianacosta3776]

Great video. Great content, but 360P? give us clear looking engineers! lol - 1080p minimum! lol - But great content. Love the in depths.

[@alejandrohoyos8555]

Thansk! and I apologies for the 360p. Now it should be on it's glorious splendor of 1080p. The reason that it was a 360p is because we were still loading up the video.

[@SimoBenziane]

​@@alejandrohoyos8555tipp: Next time. upload it, let it process first and publish it when it's done processing. Keep up the good work

[@alejandrohoyos8555]

@@SimoBenzianeThanks man will do! sometimes things come in hot and we are just trying to hit that window but will def take your tip!

[@-MaXuS-]

Video is only 360p

[@q-_-p.d-_-b]

Considering how many videos are uploaded each day. It may take a while for KZbin to encode the higher resolutions.

[@maximme]

so, no APPLE style lpddr4 on wafer?? APPLE seems to think its the best thing since sliced bread....HAHAHAAA

[@yellowjoe.2000]

and meteor lake laptop battery life still is horrible. nothing has changed Intel. ridiculous

[@srenlarsen3148]

Meteor lake put it into a lake its a flop. Dont even come to desktop pc either. Raptor Lake is stil fine until next versions come out in 2025-2026.

[@HDRPC]

You are dumb.

[@AndrewMellor-darkphoton]

Can't you just let your engineers be geniuses and have it not look like they're being held hostage by marketing? Where are we gonna get IPC numbers on Redwood Cove?

[@agoli4898]

I love you

[@alejandrohoyos8555]

They are not only geniuses but also our rock stars ! We just wanted for them to tell their stories on this Meteor Lake Quest.

[@HDRPC]

MTL is only focusing on efficiency.

[@AndrewMellor-darkphoton]

@@HDRPC You don't do a full architectural redesign just for efficiency.

[@HDRPC]

@@AndrewMellor-darkphoton just 3 days remaining and everything will be out in 3 days. Wait for 3 days.

[@nexovec]

Now the pressing question... Is it 3 times more expensive too?

[@HDRPC]

No

[@AndrewMellor-darkphoton]

Hopefully not, I want a new laptop.

[@ntal5859]

Not much point interviewing people who's accent is so heavy it's hard to follow.

[@chrisroyer4598]

Its not about innovation anymore, its about iterating an already poor technology. Never change Intel.

[@HDRPC]

You are dumb.

[@adinnugroho6544]

When Intel just responded what Competitors have done, even beating out Intel. I just use kinda joking language though 😂

[@floopybits8037]

This is a brand new design the only comparable chip is Apple M2 , AMD don't have anything in comparison

[@ablesam]

​@@floopybits8037 AMD has Phoenix right now, Strix Point Q1 next year. They both have built-in accelerators but it is monolithic in design.

[@HDRPC]

​@@floopybits8037yes 100%

[@Veptis]

Todays show was quite a disappointment. As a developer and gamer, I am looking to build a powerful workstation next month. However those CPUs are just for mobile (and I don't need or want a new laptop). And there is zero workstation cards to run large model inference. NPU essentially replaces VPU so there won't be newer and larger cards for VPUX. So what is Intels suggestion? Xeon and then rent IDC? that is not at all what I am looking for.

[@AndrewMellor-darkphoton]

CPU companies have given up on workstations and you expect their new experimental CPU to be workstation.

[@killermoon635]

Why so many indians ??

[@kubolor1234]

Nerds

[@ArpitKumar-dy5bf]

yeah ! These nerds are making ur life easier :)

[@alejandrohoyos8555]

Proud to be a Nerd! And takes one to know one ;)

[@AndrewMellor-darkphoton]

Yep

[@kubolor1234]

@@alejandrohoyos8555 guilty as charged