International 3850 End Loader Sitting 13 Years - Can We Save It?

[@WatchWesWork]

If anyone knows of a decent International D282 engine please let me know. We're not completely ready to give up on this machine.

[@MFKR696]

Even if you cannot find that specific engine, it would be extremely easy to swap in something with similar specs, so long as it's mechanically driven. A more modern engine with similar specs would last you far longer and would have much better fuel economy. Don't limit yourself to on-road engines either. There are many Marine and Industrial engines that would go perfectly with that Loader. The only thing you need to look out for is making sure your torque numbers aren't exceeding the original if you plan to retain its original transmission and final-drive.

[@jefffaubell5271]

D282 on New York Craigslist

[@gardentractorfanatic301]

Wes Johnson Services it would be that hard to get unstuck. Hell as long as it’s has some compression it’ll run again

[@kennethescolme]

Get zip ties and bies plys to fire it up for you.. He can get any heap running.. Minnnt.. 👌

[@41DeereLA]

I have a rebuilt IH black diamond engine just sitting in my shop. I’m always up for a little bartering. West of Rockford.

[@lyndelbeckwith1706]

I think even Mustie1 would admit this engine is toast.But he'd still rebuild the carburetor!

[@LinuxJedi]

Lyndel Beckwith lmao every single time 😂😂😂😂

[@davesendit1348]

And check for spark lol

[@VadoVoodoo]

All it would take is a cotton bud and a battery drill and Presto! Running! (Mad grin!)

[@kermitskustoms]

if you haven't watched mustie1 you haven't lived yet

[@Gangstercub]

Yea that's all the perv can do is carbs .

[@generaldisarray]

That opening statement, "Gentlemen welcome back", for one second I thought this was an AvE video but there was no "to the shop" or "a treat especial" 🤣🤣🤣

[@cliffordholland2957]

Put ahead gasket drivehome

[@bruceb3786]

Being an old Electrician, I ALWAYS have the knife, usually 2, and an EASY 100# of junk, plus good stuff in the back of my truck. We would get along just fine. (Great video too ! Thanks).

[@LumpyFPV]

Thanks for what you do, Wes. Your channel is definitely one of my favorite places on the whole entire internets.

[@somerandomguy3868]

Wow I do believe that's the most coolent I've ever seen come out of the oil pan

[@WatchWesWork]

About 4 gallons.

[@onesadtech]

Yuuuup, I legit stopped what I was doing and was just watching it all come out in awe... 😂

[@mdouglaswray]

@@WatchWesWork It was like watching an elephant take a leak. Don't ask how I know.

[@jakechamberlain2206]

@@mdouglaswray how do you know?

[@fordnut4914]

It keeps the oil from freezing

[@bryanb7918]

We have the same fork lift at work. And funny enough we dragged it from out of a creek from behind the recycling building. They drove it back there when the spark plugs went bad in the 80’s and left it there so they could get a new one. We found it, fixed it and use it here in transportation daily. Also hello from Missouri

[@WatchWesWork]

Good deal! Amazing what people will throw out.

[@benspeedschannel888]

Coolant has corrosion inhibitors in it usually and there was no sign of rust in what came out of the sump. See if you can get it unstuck, I don’t reckon it’s as bad as you think 👍👍

[@orfeous]

Thought of that too

[@benmac7315]

I was thinking the same thing. Fill the engine block with diesel and let it sit for a bit. Sometimes works.

[@1CoLoRz2]

I had a mustang that sat for 2 weeks with coolant in the cyliders after it blew its head gaskets. They were completely rusted

[@yensabi]

It would be nice to see that loader running again....Another machine saved from the grave , good luck and keep up the great work .

[@carmenmartinez8719]

Did you watched The vid cause nothing was saved

[@WatchWesWork]

Yes, but I don't know that it's worthwhile.

[@yako0000]

if you have the time you could remove the spark plugs and fill the cylinders with diesel. fill the crankcase right up with diesel and leave it for the winter. small chance it might unseize but i would imagine the bearings will score as soon as it turns over. but if its already junk there's nothing to lose.

[@andretsang7337]

Why use diesel instead of something like penetrating oil?

[@angusgillingham2323]

Wes, I don’t know how you react to others offering suggestions on different processes we as mechanics or technicians have seen, tried, and heard off over our careers, but as one who is now retired as I became disabled with M Dystrophy and now an armchair tech, I’d like to offer up something I’ve used. With that old seized C301, I’d like to have seen you try pouring boiled diesel fuel down the plug holes and then leaving it for a few days and then trying to turn it with a power bar/socket. I used this method one time on a sunk fishing boat motor that was sunk in the salt water for about a year, I got it fired up for an insurance company. This boat was sunk when hitting ice while fishing around Newfoundland, Canada years ago when I first started my career. Love watching your videos, am subscribed, and like watching your videos because you are patient and dive directly into your work without the foolish antics most blogs have. Your show gives me comfort as I loved my work and was very dedicated and usually worked alone without distractions and your videos make me feel like I’m there again.

[@dennishayes65]

It’s a shame to leave those machines out where the weather slowly kills them ! It will take quite an effort to scrap them ! Thanks for trying to save them Wes ! Like your videos a lot !

[@carlosdanger5877]

I don’t know anything about fixing a loader I just enjoy watching these videos and it’s really great to see all these different strangers coming together to pitch in and help out👍

[@louisl.8724]

the frontend loader might just have a blown gasgit , with the green fluid in everything, it might have protected the engine from freezing over the years.

[@kongchingpow]

Ive been watching a lot of your older videos...im glad you stuck it out, i think you had less than 10k subscribers when you made this one, and now you have way more! I hope to see the day you have 1 million :) I know im on board!

[@nodak81]

14:40 I feel for the old girl. I've had the toilet bowl look the same way after taco night many times.

[@RavynMoon2988]

I thought the same thing when I watched it drain "I've had some mornings like that" Lol.

[@Baerchenization]

You need to see a doctor.

[@craigpalmer5693]

International machine in the forest haven't run 13 years long time hope you get out there get moving good condition praying running awesome video keep up the good work friend bless you

[@Roboticus_Prime_RC]

The way I see it, even if you buy a new crate motor to put in it, it will still be cheaper than buying a running one.

[@shackman9566]

Hi Wess. Well here's another you most likely already know. I work on mostly really old rusted stuff. I always have metric sockets and wrenches as well as sae. I've had really good results driving metric impact sockets on old rusted sae bolts that are rounded off. Most of the time I've got to drive the bolt out of the sockets with a punch and hammer so yeah it works pretty well. Have a great day.

[@joeblow2063]

The "SIP" system - ya just shake it until what ya want falls out. Brilliant! Been there, done that.

[@thomream1888]

Hey, I'm only in to the 4-minute point, but I can already tell your a swell mechanic. You've got all the correct sound effects and I'll bet you could raise the Titanic and get her running in a jiffy! My dad used to say "never trust a man that can't make good sound effects". Dang, I like this channel!

[@eero3516]

Literally did nothing to try to save that loader smh..

[@davebrittain9216]

Wes just ignore all the rude comments. Rude people just are now worth listening to!

[@greypoopon]

They are now, not before tho

[@danielwerger5641]

Thanks Wes, love the old machinery rescue... Would appreciate the forklift resuscitation, it would give me hope with my "55 Yale. Cheers and thanks from Canada...!

[@WatchWesWork]

I think we can save the forklift.

[@kenyh6695]

I like watching bring the old equipment from around my time back to life.

[@jerrybell3921]

Only if they could see how the world has changed. They would won't to be shut off for good key thrown away lol because of the EPAs bullshit

[@lyndelbeckwith1706]

"See if the air condition works, that's where I would start", lol! I love bottomless optimism!

[@kevingrainger2530]

The SOS system and now the SIP system, stuff in a pile, I've never heard anything like it, you make me laugh.

[@patb9375]

When my dog was sick the other day he had stuff coming out that looked like your oil drain. Good luck if you keep at it.

[@thomaspierce2072]

I don't know how you find all these old broken down equipment but I would love to be this fortunate , however keep up the good work I enjoy it 👍👍

[@twinkie27271]

It's his grandfather's

[@BigPete7407]

Sorry to see that the old girl is not a problem that is easily solved. Remarkable what problems cannot be solved by throwing large sums of money at them 😁 I'm sorry for what happened and what you went through. Take care of yourself those you care about, Pete

[@nethanelmasters5170]

Did this on the loader at work only we used a flexible transmission funnel and got it all in the drain pan

[@mwestavr]

In the rollback truck front axle seal repair; the Bellville/spacer is in presumably to keep constant preload on the bearings. I would tighten another half turn. We may not be used to such quality built into front wheel bearing systems.

[@wolfwithin2967]

Watching the horrors flow from that pan make me nauseous lol

[@Sir_Uncle_Ned]

Yeah, I'm no mechanic but I would call that very bad

[@williamdavidson9009]

We picked up an IH 2404 industrial tractor. It was a warm day and the engine turned but when it turned cold it was stuck. We dragged it into the garage and the entire oil pan was a solid block of ice. All I could figure was that it was condensation the exhaust was down and the air intake was covered.

[@jerryglascock1194]

Matt at diesel Creek needs to see this.

[@CJPhillips6648]

Great restoration project. Love the old school loders.

[@GeoffreyScott571]

Great video, man. I love watching these videos with my kids. Keep up the good work!

[@rebelyank6361]

I believe you will find that forklift had a Mitsubishi 4 cylinder motor. Was also used in various Mitsubishi, Hyundai, Kia & Chrysler cars in the 80s & 90s.

[@scummyinoz]

thought it looked like a magna motor mmmm

[@MrBrianholman]

Looks Mitsubishi to me

[@jamesmoe]

You can't save them all. Thanks for showing the process even if it did not turn out. Other KZbinrs would have just not posted the video so you think they win every time. You have the guts to show the good and bad .. keep it up! SUBSCRIBED!

[@TheDisorderly1]

Given the history of this machine being in your family I would give it another try.

[@WatchWesWork]

Well it's not any kind of heirloom. But we will keep our options open.

[@Crazyman23]

Sounds like me and my buds with the truck. I keep ramps, large mat in the bed. 2 different tool boxes in the back seat, a pancake compressor, fishing gear, breaker bars, pry bars also inside the cab. Not to forget 3 different flashlights in the cab. Also keep 5 pairs of scissor, and 2 knifes in the truck. Never know when you'll need a pair of scissors until you need to hack a electrical line.

[@QQTrick1QQ]

Great ls swap candidate you could be popping wheelies

[@hotrodfanatic9052]

At least you tried!

[@mikerowley464]

That was definately antifreeze which won't freeze. Your pistons are hydro locked. Pull the plugs and try turning that engine over. You may be able to salvage it.

[@WatchWesWork]

I don't think it hydro locked. We had the plugs out of it once and poured in some diesel. Either the main bearing are rusted solid or the pistons are seized. Also, even though it looks green, we get -35F temperatures in the winter here. It could easily have frozen if the concentration was wrong.

[@zmmj2024]

@@WatchWesWork I'd still hook up the breaker bar or batteries and give it a crank now. With that much fluid in the case, you'd never roll it over. That green was definitely 50/50 or stronger. I'd be willing to bet it rotates now, especially since you left lube soaking in the cylinders.

[@paulsilva3346]

@@zmmj2024 well he's moved away so mute point...

[@highdesertworkshop]

I came here from a sewer drain unblocking vidio. I think I know where that stuff in the oil pan came from. Keep it up Bud, I like what you do.

[@WatchWesWork]

Hmm. So is this video a step up or a step down?

[@highdesertworkshop]

@@WatchWesWork It's all good, If thst engine is like the old Reo truck engines I used to work on my guess is that the wet sleeve seals gave out.

[@WatchWesWork]

@@highdesertworkshop This engine has dry sleeves. Probably a head gasket.

[@normcameron2316]

I just love the optimistic wannabe mechanics out there who think they know everything, no one else knows anything and a tune up will fix everything. It's a good way to get work in the door though as evidenced here, the tune up led to an engine replacement. One of my favorite stories is an attractive young lady bought a hot rodded Camaro which had a knock. The local garage knew enough to not touch it with a ten foot pole and sent her to me. I was younger and single then. Took a look at the situation and said I dunno for sure but it's not the timing chain letting the valves hit the pistons or the cam or lifters. Only way to fix it is to jerk out the engine, which I tried to discourage because it was a miserable job and the car was borderline. She says go ahead so I do and the crank is totally trashed, the noise was the piston slamming into the head. Give them a realistic estimate and don't hear anything for some time. Put everything into storage. Some time later she shows up with her dad who was a monster of a man and he has "his mechanic" with him. They take a look at the situation and they decide they can fix it, all the crank needs is polishing. I charged them $200 in 1990 which was pretty reasonable and they complained about that. Never saw the car around again but ran into the "mechanic" a few years later and asked him what happened. They took the crank to the other machine shop in town and they confirmed it was FUBAR. Fubar to the point unless you were legally blind you couldn't see it was blue and rougher than a gravel road, as were the rods. There is no point in getting mad about such things, these incompetents will always be there. They may not be very good mechanics, but they are very good salesmen/politicians. My only regret is because things were sour, the young lady and I never got together.

[@johnahern770]

I am a great fan of white vinegar for rust removal It has never failed me yet. Here is a very cheap suggestion. Get 5 gallons of white vinegar, it sells for about C$ 1.80 - 2.0 / gal from Canadian tire (in Canada). Replace the oil pan and seal it up, then. fill it and every cylinder and every hole you can find and let it sit for a week. If it has not freed up by then, -- throw it away. forget it and move on . If you can move it a bit, wash it out with water give up a prayer, then lubricate everything with transmission/brake fluid mix and reef on the end of the crankshaft You might be suprised !!! Good Luck.

[@ianpurkis3925]

Love the mustie1 mention! 👍👌

[@davekauffman8727]

My biggest time-consumer id finding the tools I need to work on a project, at least you keep stuff in piles. I usually have to jog my hit & miss memory for what I was using the tool on last, then go see if that's where I left that tool. Yeah, I bet that block is cracked. I'd look for a Diesel replacement if it could be found, more torque. Even Mustie1 would have a tough time bringing that gasser back. Save the good rams on the machines that have any, and scrap the ones beyond hope, you have some work ahead of you!

[@jamessmith7691]

Wish it was around here I'd like to try my hand at it.

[@dancando6391]

Good man helping unstoppable Morgan out! Your stuffs been in my “suggested” for years and I’ll watch em from to time. I suppose me subscribing is the least I can do!

[@d.dolphinstriker5737]

Pull the pan, so you can see the damage.

[@TheFlyingBusman]

Fair play for wanting to fix this. Hope you get it running ok.

[@Military-Museum-LP]

I remember using a brand new 3850 and my first impressions were incredible power but difficult to use. The geometry in the boom/bucket was very strange.

[@mick00000000002]

If petrol. Motor on loader. All will be different. Im 59 years old. I have only seen two rear steer loaders. But never petrol. God bless

[@erickieffer8440]

That was a valiant effort and another great video, maybe someone will be able to donate a suitable engine. I’ve been enjoying your videos, but can’t bring myself to leave any of that ‘Dominant’ feedback you guys who make these videos clearly thrive on. P.S. Sorry to hear about those endangered baby Bald Eagles.

[@toddabbott781]

You might have antifreeze in the cylinders keeping it from turning. Since it is not just water, it might not have rusted up too bad or frozen and cracked something. I would pull the plugs and siphon the water out and put in the transmission fluid. Let it sit for a few days and see if you can turn the engine over. If you can get it turning the maybe take the head off and see if it is just a head gasket and maybe clean up the head and cylinder walls a bit and drop a new head gasket in there. put some oil in and see if you can get it started. It would be ashamed to see that scrapped out.

[@akfarmboy49]

I like odd ball machines. You need a snow plow rig right.

[@brandonwellz007]

I have an old 1979 john deere 755 crawler loader on my farm. When it was parked in the 90's they never drained the coolant so it became acidic and destroyed the orings on the wet sleeves. When I drained the oil on it last year looked just like this probably gallons of coolant everywhere lol. I wanted to restore it but at this point it would cost more to get it back up and running then it is worth.

[@morgansword]

Good weather and positive attitude would be a good start. Vice grip garage would not be my choice of mentors. I'm quite sure that old loader deserves a little effort. A chain saw and a fire to run the bugs off with the smoke. I would walk a dozer in and drag it out screaming to repair it

[@dal8963]

New sub from unstoppable Morgan thanks for fixing her brakes shes a mess but safer now thanks to you

[@joshuaplantan90]

"Water and oil don't mix" *International loader* "Hold my head gasket"

[@davidbunjee8928]

Keep it up!!! My buddies and I are always interested in what you’re doing.

[@snikesnover1831]

That was the scariest oil pan draining I’ve ever seen!

[@msprincegt]

Hi Wes, great channel. Love your workmanship and knowledge.

[@brianjohnston9822]

That stuff that drained out resembles my last Taco Bell visit.

[@novafourtwoseven2888]

enjoy your videos Wes I like to see old equipment brought back to life most of it is better than what we have now.

[@1teddy1979]

To me that loader would be worth fixing. To buy something capable of doing the work that thing could you would be into major dollars.

[@mudpuddle8805]

Enjoyed the action right up to pulling the pan drain plug. It was worth the effort!

[@ScriptRUs]

Ok I've felt with stuff like this before, it's save able but it'll take a while

[@tommymann69]

That loader isn't as bad as you think.you can get someone to help you get it running.so don't give up on it!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[@thorsbyguy5121]

Hey Wes, I'm with you. I believe a gentleman should have boots on his feet, a leather belt, some cash and a knife in his pocket before he leaves the house. I think the forklift first, but don't write off that loader yet. If you could make it run for $2500 or so, that would be a deal. Since it rear steers, it could also be the big boy fork lift.

[@WatchWesWork]

I bet it can lift a lot. But I'm not sure it's worth putting $2500 into.

[@thesilentg3941]

@@WatchWesWork But still i think it would be a good project with a cheap as can get challenge along with it :D

[@chrisstephens6673]

Don't forget to add check your flies to that list.

[@MFKR696]

@@WatchWesWork It's a Clark, bud. It won't lift nearly as much as you think it will, especially considering that it's one of their "compact" models. A big forklift weighs 20 000 lbs or more. 10 000 is about what any modern compact forklift will weigh in at. That Clark probably weighs in at less than 8000. Also, the fact that those small Clarks are so narrow makes them extremely dangerous, even if they're only ever used on a level concrete pad. Stick with the Wheel-Loader. That lift will just give you more problems than its worth and it might even take someone's life. Far as I'm concerned, the only thing an old Clark Compact is good for is scrap metal. My local scrap yard is absolutely full of small Clark lifts like that one waiting to be torched apart. It bears mentioning that the only fatal forklift accident I ever witnessed was due to one of those narrow Clarks tipping over at full-mast. Clarks are about the sketchiest lifts you can get. Even Hitachi makes better forklifts than Clarke ever did, and they're on the low-end.

[@travisk1487]

that milkshake oil lol.. reminds me of my yz250 when coolant got in the oil.. all leaking out of the overflow tubes. i was able to ride it home though!

[@eyeballdude]

Don’t give up on her just yet! I bet that when you rip that motor apart you’ll get surpriced over that it’s just a small fix to make it run!

[@lubbahubba]

Thanks for helping Unstoppable Morgan! A great favor to another person! Well done Wes, I've watched your channel 👏 and now I subscribed 👍

[@thomasurban-norbeck8476]

Put marvel mystery oil in each cylinder and let it sit and try to turn it over

[@wadebrewer7212]

Fill the case and cylinders with a 50/50 mix of PB Blaster and Marvel. Leave it set for a couple weeks. Bet it would break it free.

[@wadebrewer7212]

@@GilligansIslandSurferDuke I reckon it depends on the work. I have found when heating and using penetrating juice, pb draws in better and doesnt flash off like wd.

[@RetiredPilot]

As a pilot I always carried a knife and then security started steeling them from me when I went to work. Substituted a screw driver that they let me keep in my flight bag. How the world changed for the worst. LOL

[@990mustang]

12:18 when you have a weak stomach and eat some taco bell.

[@djpar3492]

Great design, oil and coolant in one drain plug.

[@millibilli7058]

There's no reason to give up on an older vehicle. For one thing vintage vehicles were ment to be repaired forever. That tractor would accept prety much any power plant you took the intuitive to build in there. The real question is are you going to be defeated that easily?

[@AuctionIndiana]

"Fetched up tight" thats a new one! I like it! Thank you!

[@MrPhilgascoine]

You give up to early would be great to watch you try to get it going don't give up !!🍺🍺🍺🍺

[@lowcatalina6638]

The engine in the Clark lift is Mitsubishi. I have the same lift. Excellent machine

[@beckywatt5048]

A Cummins 4cyl would be an appropriate swap.

[@newjerseybill3521]

You may have height issues with the BT series engines.

[@bigmac965]

Mustie1 mention! Excellent! I'll bet he'd like to take a shot at this one!

[@beerdiaryshootinmcdaniel8063]

12:26 The morning after Natural Light Beer.

[@jlucasound]

I LOVE Old Internationals! I hope you can do something with this old Girl. My employer (my first 40 hr a week job, 1980) had one of these with forks on the front. He used it to move the big steel plates we would cut up with a "torch train". He would only run it when we were cutting these parts, every few weeks or so. Thing ran great.

[@MrJDuzz]

You sir have a new fan from Scotland. Love all of you’re videos. Keep them up! 😀😀

[@dougdegraff5892]

The Clark has a Mitsubishi 4g64 engine in it..they are notorious for breaking timing belts.. but thankfully they are also not zero clearance engines. An hour or two of fitting a new set of timing belts, (yes that is meant to be plural) it has a balance shaft that runs a second belt.. and it will happily be ready to run again..

[@WatchWesWork]

I popped the distributor cap off and the rotor is turning. So the belt is not broken - yet. Thanks for the info though.

[@BIG77BUBBA]

Try to get it started don’t just give up

[@huckleberry8079]

Motor is probably ok with that amount of antifreeze in it. Change oil filter and fill with old black oil and try to fire it up. When you get it running thin the oil about half with diesel fuel and run about 10 minutes then drain. Change filter and oil for new. You may be surprised. I have been before. When oil and antifreeze sit together for a while they form a chunky slurry.

[@aaronjarvenpa1743]

I do believe that cow beer you can only get in Wisconsin !

[@WatchWesWork]

Yes Sir. Good stuff.

[@Brandon-ch2ot]

Great steak too!

[@jondavis6302]

Enjoyed watching the sludge poor out. Interesting and entertaining videos.

[@frankoch1]

Was it simply hydro-locked because of all the extra fluids

[@WatchWesWork]

No.

[@brianbercier5560]

I I have a loader just like that one. gas engine, with a warped manifold, no brakes. I use it sometimes less now since I bought a 853 bobcat skidsteer. runs ok

[@johnfry9010]

I think this is going to take more than one video ?

[@WatchWesWork]

LOL. I think this might take more than one lifetime.

[@bladerunner6354]

@@WatchWesWork keep going on her, she'll come around. Then you'll have the hydraulic joys to repair. After that probably some welding. When operating in future dont run it with people too close. There is a thing called tired iron.

[@bladerunner6354]

@@WatchWesWork oh, and good luck with her

[@walsh9354]

I like what ur doing. I’m amazed you can save equipment like this I’m amazed ppl just let stuff go & give it away for free too

[@ChrisD1454]

My Initial Thought thought Was Save The Loader. Screw The Loader . Save The Forklift. I Had One That Style. I Have The Books On It Also.

[@loranzobaker7293]

Just stumbled across on the clark forklift. I’ve ran quite a few forklifts. But anyway i know it can’t be helped. But dang seeing old machines, cars and trucks always breaks my heart seeing them waste away.

[@haydenfarms2120]

Convert it over to a 6 cylinder cat diesel and keep runnin her like she was new

[@WatchWesWork]

I think that's a good way to lower the value of a Cat engine.

[@danielgeng2306]

Tough leaving something you grandfather and dad had their hands on, I have a 59’ simplicity garden tractor that was my dad’s, even if I can’t get it running again I still don’t think I could ever get rid of it …

[@the_hillbillytransportatio3143]

Just curious what would you take for the old girl.

[@MrHunterseeker]

Looks like cracked head on the motor, thats why all that anitfreeze and water was in the oil he emptied. So at least a new motor.

[@markrandall1456]

I like the glue left over from the Missouri State Highway Department decal. They changed from SHD to MODOT in late 79 or early 80.

[@WatchWesWork]

We figure the machine is from the early 1970s.