Interview: Former Bethelite (During 1975) (Subtítulos en español)

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In this episode I sit down with Joy, a former bethelite, regular pioneer, "need-greater" and elder's wife. She describes bethel before and after the failure of the 1975 prophecy, how she became disillusioned with the organization and what eventually led to her split with the religion.
(En este episodio, hablé con Joy, una ex-betelita, precursora regular que servía donde había “más necesidad”, y esposa de un anciano. Me dijo como era betel antes y después del incumplimiento de la profecía de 1975, como la organización la decepcionó y por que ella - con el tiempo- se salió de la religión.)
Joy's Recommended Reading List:
Crisis of Conscience - Ray Franz
In Search of Christian Freedom - Ray Franz
Gentile Times Revisited - Carl Olof Johnson
Living in the Last Days? - Carl Olof Johnson
Apocalypse Delayed - James Penton
A Road Less Traveled - M. Scott Peck, M.D.
Further Along a Road Less Traveled - M. Scott Peck, M.D.
People of the Lie - M. Scott Peck, M.D.
Combatting Cult Mind Control - Steven Hassan
True Believer - Eric Hoffer
The Myth of Certainty - Daniel Taylor
The History of God - Karen Armstrong
Fictional Books:
The Red Tent
The Celestine Prophecy
Illusions
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[@gregorygivens1327]

Excellent Job! I left the Witnesses 30 years ago while I was the Presiding Overseer of the congregation I was attending. So Joy and I shared some of the same experiences of that time period. I was also raised as a Witnesses, but after extensive research on religions and their origins as a hold, along with identifying erroneous information coming from the governing body, during one meeting as I looked out at the congregation which included my family and many friends, I felt that I could not continue to support these lies and untruths anymore. So right after that service I called a meeting of all the elders and announced that I was stepping down and disassociating myself from the organization, and I never looked back. I started my deprogramming right away and started working on my college degree in the next 2 months.

[@cooksmary]

I heard Ray Frans speak one time and I knew he was a good and honest man. I read his book and that was it. I was done. It was a hard road but I was so thankful for this good man.

[@AV-th7uy]

I love these stories!!! Hearing the organization's ELITE (Bethelites) walking away and seeing through all the b.s. of JWs...is more of a reminder that all of us ex-JWs made the right decision walking away!

[@naytchh7]

What a badass! The image of Joy secretly reading CoC in the KH is hilarious to me. Thanks again for doing this interview it's amazing.

[@RayRay-ch9vc]

Great video. I was baptized for 2yrs but around the organization for 8ys. My wife at the time my girlfriend was disfellowship introduced me to the Jw organization. I got baptized in 2015 really thinking this organization was God's organization. My wife who got reinstated in 2014 left the organization and me in 2016. I was miserable at the time only advice was given to stay busy in field service. Being new in this organization I didn't understand most stuff they was saying. I started to wake up when a Watchtower study mentioned that Jesus Christ know when he returning to the earth. I don't remember which Watchtower stated this but is was in 2017. Also, I noticed fear of men was mentioned when disfellowship topics was being discussed. I wrote my letter of dissociation back in January. My wife who faded away told me I was crazy for leaving Jehovah. I'm a peace with my decision. It wasn't easy at first. A lot of Jw don't read nor do research. This is definitely a cult.

[@thmpick]

Yes..... Can you tell me where I need to send my Disassociation Letter & how long it takes to hear back from them? Do I have to list a Congregation in the letter? Thanks for posting your comment!

[@annabizaro-doo-dah]

Interestingly Ray Franz said his one major regret was denying his wife a family, as she too deeply regretted not having children, feeling lonely in her older age. I always thought it was one of the cruelest of the Watchtower edicts, not to have children. Particularly as Joy mentions back then, and more so I believe in the 40s etc. Fantastic video Fifth, As always. Many thanks to yourself and Joy.

[@alyssawoodman]

The video Ex JW Critical Thinking does on the price of not having children is heartbreaking...

[@Jordi7174]

@@alyssawoodman I know. One can tell that it's hitting them on a personal level. 😥

[@truesonny5761]

Wow, she is amazing. When she said she was reading Crisis of Conscience at the Kingdom Hall that blew me away. Bravo!

[@rodywithers3536]

A wonderfully helpful interview, fifth! Can I say this is a standout interview among many great interviews you have conducted. Your respect and compassion for women is exceptional and I love that you sit back and allow Joy to tell her story, never intruding but simply drawing her out and noting points of interest and shared experience. Joy is such a clear-minded, no-nonsense speaker who also comes across as fair-minded and caring. Thank you both so very much.

[@annabizaro-doo-dah]

Rody Withers That's what I love about Cliff, it's never about him always his guest. As you say he politely and I'd have to say pretty humbly draws them out, encouraging them to express themselves and to show appreciation. I love his lack of ego. He honestly should do it professionally on TV as its not a skill just everyone has!

[@larrysommer3350]

It was good to hear from someone who remembers the same time period I remember.

[@darlenesmith2704]

yes it is!

[@thinkingcapon64]

I had a new born baby when a special pioneer called at my door, I studied and was baptized at age 30. My husband, a good man said “when are you going to get it through your head “ I AM NOT INTERESTED”. Speculation was, the end would come in 1975, I thought I will be 45, that’s not too bad. I will be 88 in a few weeks, yikes !!! Looks like I will have to swallow the bitter pill of death after all...My two children are witnesses and are still in this mind controlling cult...I have not officially quit...I will not run the risk of losing family and friends...but just do minimum to get by...I am heartsick now believing that if this system ends it will be because man has blown up the planet...

[@naterobinson5141]

Another good interview, I left in the early 90s and it can still haunt my mind. I have made my peace and that is most important.

[@pixels2u]

Another excellent video, and I totally related to Joy's experience. Fifth, you are a wonderful interviewer, you listen well, ask great questions and don't interrupt. I like how you focus on the other person and their stories. Your production audio and video are always very good, too. Always enjoy your videos. Keep up the good work.

[@DoctorZaeus]

You have such amazing guests. This interviews are a tremendous benefit to the community.

[@samanthalavander]

Agree.

[@mjohnsonx15]

I was at Brooklyn Bethel from 1974 to 1978. Was aware of the tensions and the struggle that eventually lead to many leaving or being kicked out. Interesting time and place to have lived and experienced.

[@thinkingcapon64]

A special thank you to a lovely lady for telling her story... and thank you to the dear man interviewing her ❤️🌺❤️

[@kimadams446]

Thank you Joy. I married an ex-bethelite at the age of 20 and became an elder's wife at a young age and me and my children have been through hell. I left the organization about 7 years ago and I got married in 1976 and baptized at the age of 15. My 3 daughters are all out. I am so happy and so are they. My husband is still in he got baptized about the age of 10 and I cannot convince him that the organization is not it.

[@TheWriterWalker]

I pray you are faring well.

[@delphinawhiles6235]

Join the club. Im out, my husband is still in. It's a personal decision to leave when your ready for your own reasons. My family on both sides r also in. I have one close friend out n a few friends who r also out. I I grew up with n she left 20yrs ago. I'm much more recent. Many witnesseses don't know what's going on bc they r told to only look at jw org. Everything else is false n lies n an attack on gods org. So it's worse for our husbands bc they hear the real truth from us. I've never been happier leaving. Sadly so many that leave need deprogramming. My friend n I didn't. It was easy n we both r people people n made friends easily with our respective interests. Loved telling my hubby about no longer needing to report his hrs mthly. I knew that would make him happy. It did.

[@jenburlock377]

Awesome to hear someone from the time period I grew up in!

[@rebeccalogan8446]

Thank you so much for creating these videos. I left over 30 yrs ago, and seeing all these videos popping up is so nice.

[@fancysfolly554]

What a lovely lady..I’m going to look into those books...very well spoken..thank you for this video..my experience with this group was during the same time frame that she discussed..I just lost my last uncle that was in the JWs...I’d been away from my family that was in this for years...moved to another state..remarried,..etc...he reached out to me..I was a disfellowshipped person too..he told me he loved me. Did the same with my cousins who got out of it too...I went home for his funeral..and the ones still in the JW...very rude to me..I’d been away so long, I’d forgotten all the pettiness...so glad I got out and got my kids out...thank God there are things like this available...I’m sure the JWs call all this persecution...

[@guillermovilla9517]

Crisis of Conscience was out of print for a while. I’m so glad it was rereleased. I just ordered the hard copy from Barnes and Noble today. If you order online, there’s a $5 off coupon if you spend over $30.

[@guillermovilla9517]

Just as a side note on the book. Amazon has the softcover available, but not the hardcover for some reason. The cheapest way of getting it is through Amazon Kindle at $9.99.

[@applesandpears9756]

I well recall older couples who did not have children. So sad.

[@ooklathemok7322]

5th, This interview was top notch! These are the kind of experiences that will help lovers of Christ gain their freedom. Thanks to both of you!

[@carih.9901]

Bravo! Fifth, you are a skilled interviewer. You ask broad, open-ended questions and then patiently allow your subject to take his time to answer completely in his own way, without your interrupting, leading him, or projecting your own slant unto his experience. Joy’s experience, like that of each one of your subjects-male and female, is invaluable for any who struggle with doubts about the Watchtower corporation’s claim of having “the truth.” You have found your niche, son. Carry on this priceless “ministry” of yours!

[@bluefidle]

No he leads his 'interview's.

[@observerlink4124]

What a fantastic interview! I'm so glad that this account was put on KZbin!

[@rainydays1105]

Thanks so much for this video. I wish I could give it more than a thumbs up!

[@eliwilliamson7849]

Thank you for doing these interviews. I was a Witness in the 70's so this interview really resonated with me. I visited Bethel and the Farm in '78. Being female was a dead end in the organization. How I saw the role of females even as a little girl was unsettling and as a teenager in the mid seventies during the women's movement I was frequently in trouble because of my opinions about our female potential. The blessing of "the truth" was that hell was not a burning place. If Jehovah could read our hearts then I knew that he knew I was not as "bad" as the elders inferred. It's taken a lifetime of counseling to settle into my worthiness that is the birthright of every human.

[@saffronhammer7714]

Thank you for this interview. I love her beautiful spirit that clearly shines through. I love how she explains, "I have had to grieve for the relationships lost, but that is part of love." Yes.

[@daviddaniel2198]

I live in Massachusetts and even my family knows for a fact that they did preach the end in 75 as my aunt was claimed to be anointed even in the 70’s. A lot of family came into the Org and sadly they never left.

[@matilda4406]

We also like Joy and her husband put more emphasis on the Bible than on what WT had to say. That woke us up.

[@kimadams446]

I got to the to the point I could no longer recommend the organization after all the things I had personally seen.

[@grammawpayton]

Thank you for a great interview! What a lovable personality, I enjoyed listening to Joy's comments so much. Very helpful to get her point of view about being in Bethel.

[@purplefireweed]

THANK YOU for this wonderful interview Fifth and Joy. That ex Witnesses are networking, sharing, and supporting one another now that the internet makes it possible means that fewer will sustain permanent psychological damage once they exit. DF'd in the mid-80s, I am just now--finally--unraveling my programming with a professional and feel much less alone with my 'secret' than in all the decades since I left. Sharing stories like yours makes a real difference to people whose gut tells them something's not right but whose mind is still under the WT spell.

[@RandyMabusedJW]

We love you Joy

[@terryannrose4582]

Thank you, thank you for another wonderful video. I saw Joy on ExJW Critical Thinker, great to see her again.

[@carolynstevenson4573]

Amazing, can relate to the Jw running away. One of the Best Book I ever read. Very much a mind control group. I still have my family, so it isn't as hard on me not have your relative, but even if I had to lose my relative I can really be happy that I learn that it is an occult. I have left over 4 yrs ago. Truly Happy, what a Blessing to learn that people are really coming into there own mind.. They're really not nice people, they only love under condition that you do what they do, real love is unconditional. Very hateful people.

[@pixels2u]

Re: healing time post-cult - I think 2 years is a very optimistic estimate. Right after I got out, I remember reading somewhere that cult recovery takes approx one year for every 7 spent in. I also remember feeling so heart-sick at the time thinking that meant 3+ years for me. I really wanted it to go faster than that. Healing and recovery continue as long as we live, but the "one for seven" estimate proved true for me for getting over the worst part of the grief and getting a good foothold in building a new life. It's been 20 years post-cult for me now. It's good to see the Internet freeing so many folks now. Thanks again for all your excellent videos, Fifth.

[@MelissaBrownapt215]

Pixilate U - That sounds about right. I'm in the 30 year club. 1982-2012. Between 2012-2016, I still had the skunk scent in my clothes so to speak. I didn't believe it was a cult after I left. That came about in 2016. Now I view YT for ongoing encouragement - giving and learning.

[@MsColetha]

Before I left physically, I had left mentally and spiritually. It was easy because of the abuse. I actually read the bible and spent my school lunches in the library cross referencing bible stories and reading etiquette and historical works about culture and politics of Jesus Christ times on Earth. Holy spirit helped me to be calm, peaceful and decisive. I am soooo grateful. 💗💗💗

[@Yayita-lo3oo]

Pixilate U My husband and I left on 1989. For him was easier than for me. I was a full time pioneer and I took 3 years to get heal. Crisis of conciencie book by Fran helped a lot.

[@maryan8117]

Thank you very much for this video! I like your style a lot. You let your guests speak and don't interrupt them. I especially want to thank for interviewing women who have experienced a lot while in the organisation. I really appreciate that a guy your age can see the huge benefit we all get from these spectacular experiences. Thank you both!

[@phase2763]

excellent interview. great insights. your guest was outstanding.

[@rosafiol4611]

Gracias a esta valiente mujer, por hablar de su experiencia. Bendiciones.

[@deborahbarr230]

Joy, Great Job! We were young wives together at Bethel! Our lives ran similar patterns. I was raised a JW from a baby. I joined my husband in 1974 and we left in 1978 to have our family. I am not sure I recall you and your husband. That was a bit of a booming time for Bethel with many couples coming in. Yes, the buzz at Bethel shifted when 1975 came and left. "Whispers" in rooms and huddles began, which my husband and I found ourselves in questioning how this happened and to grapple with it. Plus the factions among the Governing Body began to show up when we had our morning worship, which was often shocking. One of my first moments of clarity was one day I said to my husband " I think we are serving men here, not Jehovah, because Jehovah would never be this hard on us." also the witch hunt began and fear erupt. Yet, it could not stop. I saw the beginnings of discrimination of Ray Franz and knew something was not right. Like you, I had such respect for them and had been able to be friends with them as they were so down to earth. Salt of the earth people. Anyway, we left too thinking once we were in a congregation and having our family, we would be fine. But not to be. I began to see "through" the Watchtower articles and could not quite buy into it. By now we knew many on the writing staff and began to know of "politics" of what was going on. When Ray was ousted, I was so disturbed. Leaving the Org takes time. It still took 2-3 years to finally leave. We mostly did the "move and don't connect" method. We have been so brainwashed to Not have anywhere else to go to. I would have persistent teachings running through my brain that would not let go. In 1983, When Rays book, Crisis of Conscience came out, I was finally free! Free to leave and move on! Like all of us find out, it still took several more years to understand what happened and to deprogram. I feel it took me 5ish years. AT LEAST. I went to college and did a Psychology class and did my paper on "Coming out of Cult" which helped me too. It emphasized to go through the mourning process. It actually is a loss, in our case. We also did have some fun and helpful network support groups that met and helped us, in each others home that we found in the area.Today, there is so much help Online, that we did not have then. But we desperately networked with each other. I am thrilled to death my children were not raised JWs! Now I am a grandma and here we all still here! I read all the books back then that you suggested Joy, and I AGREE TO EDUCATE YOURSELF to really become free, and not just out. I thank my God that somehow I wanted to really find "Truth". To this day I seem to be a seeker of truth. Thank you Joy for sharing.

[@exjwfifth9838]

Deborah Barr thanks for the comment Deborah! I appreciate you telling your story here as well

[@rowanbowyer572]

One of the best interviews I've listened too, thank you!

[@astrids7707]

What a nice lady, so glad she is free from the cult. She has a wealth of information, indeed and she has seen a lot. It is so good to have bright people like her on our side.

[@cardboardbox9977]

That's something I always thought about. An elder who spent his teens and twenties in the "world" back in the 60's and 70's, doing whatever he wanted to do sexually, who later became a witness and married immediately after or before, is going to sit down, counsel, and brow beat me as to why I should've been able to control my sexual desires as a 20 something man who was raised in the truth and baptized at 11. And after going 24 years with remaining chaste, has to now be disfellowshipped because I had a "moment of weakness" and gave into my completely human, normal, sexual desires that Jehovah himself put in me. Complete BS

[@carlsands4060]

Absolutely so true. I can truly understand.

[@Rhinosaurus1000]

Cardboard Box Sad man. Baptizing a preteen is one of those things I’ve always disagreed with. Hang in there.

[@fxsteen]

so true. thank you and be well

[@blyawakes]

Thank you Fifth so wonderful to see such a large community of ex jw's.

[@rachaellarson5467]

Excellent video. Love the comments about Ray Franz his book is life changing a must read for all people with a brain.

[@UJB123]

Paul commented to Titus to teach the older women so THEY can speak to the younger women. This prevents the WT foolishness of men talking, well, "stoopid" to an audience of women. Good interview

[@lokisfriend]

when a sheep got lost, Jesus left the flock and went lovingly looking to rescue that lost sheep, he didn't shun it and cast it out to fend for itself. Isn't that what Christians are supossed to do ?

[@deedee-qf2ne]

I really enjoyed this interview!

[@isabelazucenaortega9974]

Gracias Fifht que buen vídeo , que simpática Joy, me encantó que este felíz y diga hay vida después de la Wachtower ja ja. Se fueron muchos en la década de los 80 . Creo que hoy esta pasando lo mismo. Ya es hora que despierten todos los programados. Saludos y mil gracias por subtitular🙋

[@danieljuliomorales7605]

Thanx! So excited when I saw this video episode was up! 👍👏🏻💥

[@pitbullruss5636]

Can’t get enough of these interviews, your a gem dude

[@davidwicklin9943]

Insightful. To think Joy Grant and her husband were serving in the same areas of Illinois and the Midwest with both Stephen Lett and Gary Breaux back in the day and then spent time around Ralph Walls and his wife Virginia at Bethel. Great job Fifth to capture the mindset of a sister like Joy deep-in 40 years ago.

[@allthingsdelightful8565]

Ex JW fifth. If I am mistaken I believe you are being shunned from your family too. Much love to you and Joy. Be strong. You just never know that one day your families will be awakened and realize they are wrong and seek to form their bonds with you again.

[@rogerbentley1462]

Great Job both of you. Thank you

[@StaceyHH]

Joy! I remember you from JWD, way back when. I used the handle Odrade on the boards, happy to use my own name now, though. So great to see your interview!

[@davidburroughs2244]

I was at bethel at the same time, from spring 76 through spring 78, so we may have crossed paths - though I don't expect her to remember me because their were 1200 or so of us and there were several dining rooms, etc.

[@abbatsol7153]

Excellent video; with great gratitude I listened to Joy's story, a very profound and insightful detailed events of her past with the "organization". In my opinion these are historical moments, in the sense that we are living and observing the beginning of the imminent fall awaiting the watchtower; is interesting that Joy described Ray Franz, I believe that "history" will recalled him as a catalyst that awakened thousands and unmasked the corrupted "governing body".

[@kenspam]

Great video, great audio!

[@paularamalho5548]

Excelentes entrevistas. Um abraço de Portugal. Obrigada pelos vídeos. Eu espero que um dia a minha família possa estar nesse estado de consciência. 👏 Bom trabalho. ☺

[@annapostate8246]

Favorite interview thus far ❤️ I love her attitude and demeanor 🌞

[@mjcm8331]

Los subtítulos estuvieron impecables. Mil gracias, hace falta mucha info de este tipo en español.

[@junemallam1243]

Great video, and I really related to Joy's life experience, both as a fully indoctrinated believer, and now as a ex J.W. activist. It is sooo true that if you do not do your research, and go through the deprogramming period, you will as be as Joy's words said, be a walk away witness. Keep up the good work.

[@jacquelynward511]

Thank you so much for shareing. I loved this video,& your experience.

[@MutedHijrah]

Fifth, Let me start off by saying the teachings helped to mold you but that inner light and intellect is all you! You are worthy of love and happiness outside of the organization. That light you have and the ability to think will call good people and things to you! Keep your head up and stay true to you🤗.

[@MelissaBrownapt215]

So great to see you again 5th.

[@Marylopezgarcia545]

Two years? Oy!!! I can’t sleep. My poor boyfriend. Thanks for the interview. Very helpful. Thank you. As I stated earlier today, keep the Spanish videos coming.

[@idrishamilton2620]

So blessed to have made it out you and your husband . Reading that holy bible and other bibles makes a difference. My wife is in but I'm a Christian never been a witness. Just saved by the blood of Jesus CHRIST

[@Nathan-jq1uw]

The importance of every event in a JWs life is measured by how close one views Armageddon to be. I remember a JW sister once mentioning that her dentist as a preliminary to jaw pain treatment advised her to have braces on her teeth for a period of two years. "Two years!" she said "Armageddon will be here by then." That was 20 years ago.

[@TinyMaths]

Man, I thought I was bad in the kingdom hall for not following along. I would go off on complete journeys whenever I heard an interesting scripture, checking references, and references of references and references of the references references, and be completely lost in it; it's only of the few ways I could maintain my sanity in the utter boredom. Or sometimes I would have my songbook open and be trying to figure out how I could change the written chords to make the music sound more jazzy, jotting down chords and musical notes. I was always uneasy doing that for fear of getting caught. But there was Joy, reading Crisic of Concience wrapped in a bible cover, right there in the middle of the meeting... WOW. She was destined to leave the organization.

[@dantoinettetaylor1663]

Great video Fifth! I missed you! Please do another one soon

[@emanuelcolon2680]

11 thumbs down ?! great vid 4get the haters

[@pashou7]

Loved this Interview with Joy and thank you for sharing! Joy, I'd would love to connect with you; and Like you, I had the wonderful honor and privilege to visit Ray and Cynthia at their home (and stay in contact with them for a little while) not too long after leaving the Org. As a 3rd generation Witness, the "deprogramming" was an overhaul that seemed so daunting, but like Joy said there is a wonderful life outside! It crazy to think how - with disdain- we looked at other mind-controlling religions (like the LDS and Scientology) and yet the JW Org is the "exact" same boat! And that took me a long time to admit it. So YES, there is a long road of healing - and it will take some time: the time to unravel the lies, accept it for what it is, then rebuild your self-identity back up where you can trust again and have a true "relationship with GOD" without the filtration of men. Thank you Fith for your interviews, this is sooo helpful to all of us!

[@justaroundthecorner2883]

The 1975 issue disappointed some and devastated others. The impact on those lives has never been truly acknowledged by Watchtower. To suggest that " some brothers " gave rise to the imminence of this system, at that time ,is disingenuous to say the least. The older generation that experienced living during that time must be dispirited and question the integrity of the organization and wonder just how far they are willing to go to preserve their credibility . Regards.

[@Nathan-jq1uw]

The way the Society hinted at it and tantalized the rank and file by being coy about it was disgraceful. Then denying any responsibility and deflecting the blame.

[@mrswonderful4880]

That reprogramming process...hard work.

[@finallyfree2499]

Wonderful interview! I could relate to everything she said being from same generation and age group. My husband and I became inactive about two years ago after the ARC. Just couldn’t take the hypocrisy anymore. Is there a way to contact Joy? Would love to talk with her. No one around here to talk to and our kids are starting to shun us. Thanks

[@joygrant8234]

Finally Free yes, you may contact me:[e-mail]

[@naytchh7]

You rock Fifth!

[@tibbles2647]

Been watching all your interviews Fifth Thankyou so much they are so helpful and very interesting. Also I think you’re an excellent interviewer and best of luck with the music

[@mariamesaconde7388]

Excelente entrevista, gracias por traducirlo.

[@autenticoverdadero5369]

Muchísimas gracias por los subtitulos en español un cariñoso saludo

[@glutinousmaximus]

"Religion poisons everything". _Christopher Hitchens_

[@alyssawoodman]

Every one of these stories are important! Thank you Fifth :D

[@felixcornelius2577]

marked , keep up the good work ExJW5th, I'll catch up with this soon !

[@saraalcaire8802]

Woww otra excelente experiencia gracias Fifth otra vez!!!! Thanks Joy for share your experience!!!!! 👏👏👏

[@matilda4406]

Fifth, love your interviews ! Keep going, you're doing great !!!

[@toddhayes3506]

Great Job Happy Holidays

[@RandomPerson-js3rc]

Two years wow. I'v been away 20 years and I just started deprogramming this year.

[@btammarineable]

You totally are describing me. Ive been gone since 1993......was disfellowshiped then but JUST NOW IN MY LATE 40s are feeling like I can look at what my beliefs have been. I was abused sexually by 2 diff people within the congregation when i was young and have suffered emotionally for years because of this. My parents are still very dedicated YET i care for them physically in their older age. But we do not speak of spiritual issues but i do hear this daily that i need to return to jehovah and leave the issues of abuse behind and leave it in jehovahs hands. Thanks for posting.

[@matilda4406]

Wow, there is a Russian translation of COC ! Great !

[@drdyer23]

dude, your videos are amazing. i saw your story on leah & mike's scientology show, & you seem like such an incredible human being. your heart shines thru you & the good you put out into the world. i sincerely wish you the best of everything. thank you also for understanding "ummm what on earth were they doing with women & children in this billion dollar organisation?!? where are their rights?" i mean, you haven't said that outright but i've watched quite a few of your vids & it comes thru. thank you for that, because it's my biggest question about JWs & i don't think it's ever really been asked let alone answered: why do the male JWs allow their partners, wives, sisters, daughters, nieces, etc, to be treated as second class citizens? what good man sits back & thinks "yup, this all looks fine to me. keep your mouth shut & go make dinner." i hope one day a male JW will explain to me why it was ok in his mind to treat women as slaves, there only to cater to the men & never step out of line.

[@diederikhaveman]

Great interview again

[@victoriacamposescobar1860]

Muy interesante entrevista..me gusta sus videos..solo puedo leer subtítulos, ya que no entiendo el idioma ..pero disfruto igual..saludos🇪🇸

[@susans3996]

Great interview fifth.

[@M-n-K]

Rewatched this video today. This is such a great interview! Thanks Fifth

[@exjwfifth9838]

K H thank you 🙏🏿 glad you enjoyed it

[@brotherhype-maninchristjes2766]

+ExJW Fifth Praise the LORD wonderful absolutely wonderful video. God bless. Agape love

[@fifi2853]

Your videos are the best!

[@travisverta3544]

Very Informative. Thank you.

[@cindykieper-wilhite2373]

Great video, thank you.😊

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Thank you Fifth Thank you Joy You both are so precious🙏🏻🔜🕉🔥🎱🎱🎱

[@rosastephens8966]

powerful interview,thanks

[@elizabethlevine4263]

Thank you Joy

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[@bernadettekelly2772]

I admire Jehovah's witness ,for spending time helping people the fundamental truths found in the scriptures! But what I don't like is the Control or power it gives to men !! WHO don t deserve this control ! Jesus spilt his life blood for me and he is the one who deserves the love and respect !I know they say that elders deserve double honour ! And show it from the Bible , but I know this is talking about the apostles not twenty something's high fivers ! Patting each other on the backs