Interview with David Abram: Animism in Language

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[@Mawlivander]

My heart is so happy to find two of my favorite Earthlings in conversation this morning! Cheers, my friends!

[@wendyholmes1848]

Thank you so much for this beautiful conversation. Incredible.

[@michaelbreuning3115]

57:50 The now little-known Indian Nobel laureate Tagore, expressed this poetically more than 100 years ago: Who are you, reader, reading my poems a hundred years hence? I cannot send you one single flower from this wealth of spring, one single streak of gold from yonder clouds. Open your doors and look abroad. From your blossoming garden gather fragrant memories of the vanished flowers of a hundred years before. In the joy of your heart may you feel the living joy that sang one spring morning, sending its glad voice across an hundred years. Rabindranath Tagore in The Gardener, 1915 Many thanks for your greeting, Tagore. That message lay waiting for me in the slim book I once bought for a mere five Crowns at a flea market. It's true, Tagore, that you cannot send me a single flower across the more than the 100 years that separates us. But it is the miraculous property of writing, that you can send your thoughts to me, someone not even around back then. There at the market in Faarevejle, I opened your book. I saw your wealth of springtime and felt your living joy. I saw why runes were once regarded as magical messengers from previous times.

[@meala23]

Beautiful, thank you for sharing this ❤

[@patfrench8046]

Oh so beautiful. Your guest's words are majic. I could see how we were all in a place of wonder listening to him and watching his body. Thank you. Please have him back.

[@tommerenator]

I immediately thought of my son, now learning how to read the holy scripture. We come from a line of Rabbis who are continuously telling the stories of this land on its hills and valleys, over its bread and wine. Terrific that *you* continue to bring us these wonders, and I hope that you see fruit in gour endeavor to heal your land and your people, that you may find justice, truth, and peace❤

[@sunnyinvladivostok]

No idea how this showed up in my feed, but I found it profoundly interesting and incredibly enjoyable to listen to. Thanks for sharing this discussion.

[@user-jw2ej1mt2r]

Probably one of my favorite interviews you’ve done. I wept at the end. As a writer, witch, philosopher, and linguist - and also as an autistic person who finds her gift for textual communication both a blessing and a challenge to building relation - I always have had such trouble reconciling the things that make writing beautiful with the things that abstracted symbolism tends to do to our brains. This video has done a lot to assure me that while my concerns are based in truth, the point is not that by writing I’m necessarily killing animacy or oral traditions; the lesson to remember here seems to be that the written word is simply very, very, VERY powerful, as powerful as fire, and I (we) must take that power more seriously than many people do. I have a lot more thoughts than this, but maybe it’s time for me to save them for your Patreon - long overdue on my part.

[@artbyjpp5968]

Ive been thinking about how we yt ppl have been taught to dehumanize ourselves by disassociating from our bodies, our needs. How this allows us to dehumanize other ppl and commit atrocities. We were taught to disconnect from our body in order to become better participants in capitalism. And this led to our ability to commit colonization. This led us to develop technology where we could function while completely disassociated from the world itself. In order to build those technologies we had to dehumanize the world which is now killing it.

[@margaretlouderback8442]

Absolutely the best!!!!!

[@Sacred.Grove.Tender]

Big fan. Thanks for bringing new ideas and bridging concepts. This is fantastically interesting. I wish more people thought this way.

[@hollyhoodwink]

This is an excellent episode ,Thank you

[@lizsmalley160]

Mind blown! Thank you both so much!

[@dirtpathart]

I was really hoping this would happen!

[@mikahbee]

When David mentioned thunder as being the first 'word' so to speak, it reminded me of an author (name escapes me at the moment) who suggested that the old Norse word for the beginning of everything "Ginnungagap" *sounds* a lot like a loud noise, enunciated on the last syllable. She compared it to emulating the sound (symbolically) of the Big Bang, but it also could sound like rolling thunder!

[@rosemarymcbride3419]

they don't call it 'spelling' for nothing

[@CreativeArtandEnergy]

*mind blown* 🤯

[@Sacred.Grove.Tender]

I would also offer, possibly that language became less magical when we tried so hard to have words for every single little thing. When we tried to nail down meanings and descriptions, it takes away the fluidity of it. Language was rich with meaning and symbology before, even poetic. It was once understood that one could interact with and influence the world around them with intoning certain vowels or chants, mimicking certain frequencies perhaps (think the sound of the water playing across creek stones or something similar) and 'communicating' with nature itself. Anchoring ourselves in technology, industrialism and western idealogy, we've lost all of that meaning and connection and innate knowledge. Hence why pre-xian is so alluring and fascinating, it was more individualistic rather than orthodox and shoved down your throat.

[@Sacred.Grove.Tender]

17:44 aahhhh I'm so glad that this video also mentions the water in particular! This is great.

[@Sacred.Grove.Tender]

52:26 wow. Mind blown.

[@BL-sd2qw]

Do you have any book recommendations?

[@HaileISela]

a wonderful conversation, then again, how could it be otherwise given the two of you🙏 as one who has apprenticed themselves to the spheres and the animate structuring of spacetime, i would like to add that there is one particular field of language that plays immensely into our supposed (while mistaken) sense of separation and all sorts of subsequent systems of abstraction of self, body and kinship Eairth, namely geometry. and the genesis of those storylines of separation we inherited in the base codes of our civilization seems to have coincided with the very creation of the alphabet David so eloquently speaks to. to get a sense of a more embodied, animate understanding of geometry, here's a take on Pythagoras' Tetractys i just shared: kzbin.info/www/bejne/mGOylZuPndh4aLMsi=qzJKtmqDv-AyYBIX i would very much love to engage in conversation on this with you both some day🙏🌱 peace struppi

[@dadsonworldwide3238]

Im sure its many more but We still have 2 major, very different archetypical minds that oreintation and direction is actually mistaken or gets lost in translation and taken out of context between the 2. , it's like a trust fund kid paradox who grows up in money dissociated from fathered entrepreneurship who began from Nothing. This happens a lot in history . It can be how modern philosophy still uses unicorn 🦄 as a metaphysical zombie stand in yet they know it is not a one horn rhino. They can know the history of how letter for letter never lost anything but people themselves become dissociated with Egypt and one or two horn rhino so they look to islam who themselves have made a terrible lost in translation commentary mistake lol They don't letter for letter translate so they end up with this flying pagasis despite being right there in egypt around unicornus. Even now this is known untrue but if dissociated it would re spark the samething witnessed in dark age literature. Royal society today claims old world thought insects spontaneously biogenesis out of cheese or dust. Now in Europe of more soft paganized world likley did think Devine matter but this is not what uk or esoterica America believed all the way. They absolutely thought of more like what we would call vacuum energy, greater system at large bound up tensor, plank length bit of cosmos or the spirit of God hovering over the waters of cosmos floor was perculating permutations up emerging energetic actors within such a critical extreme state or environment or cheese, dust is giving rise to larva, eggs ,code of life programmed to be insect. It's a very1 soul agency 2 free will inertia 3frame of reference = correlated with the cosmos 1 For-m dy 2 thru dx 3 by dz = man made time hierarchy knowledge of Good and evil equations That began as a 1300s global peasant revolt inspired theological thread scientifically studied mathematically confirmed that is driving these lines of thought that they discovered from more ancient times mixed with Jesus christ. The moment the light came on in humanity cardinal direction is key A machinest is born he cuts the branch 1 lathes the bark 2 milled the edges 3 grinded the tip of the spear = man hunted his prey of animals and this energy he consumes is a necessary evils made spiritually. Animism or ancient worship is not what is behind its origin but just as many of you may interpret it this way ,equally many back then did take their Euclidean abstract minds confirmation bias and do this. But no one intuitivly starts with this . No a man, family, tribe, intuitivly becomes motivated to make observations in the world around them to come to a conclusion its a power greater than themselves

[@dadsonworldwide3238]

Humanity straddles classical & qauntom physics that even today is the same physical / deaf ,dumb & blind senses of eyes ,ears , and sight as it always was in the past . 3 lines of measure away from physically mystified minds. Obviously, that's not what stark harsh observationist whi tend to be more deterministic and top down form and shape views will argue. They squint their eyes for heavily pixelated views to see evolution outside of humans ability to manipulate local systems to evolve how we see fit. Same geo earth type confirmation bias. Statistical anylitical feature in our reality itself Obviously, the other minds eye is more intoned with intuitive senses of taste & smell. They see a more entropic reality thermodynamics is very sensible and utilized by such archetypical minds. They do not mind the ( mri machine) reorientations. In modern times with all this Mapped and publicly sharable its easy to get these across to the prior more Euclidean abstract family