Interview with Jr. Product Manager [Startup]

Product Manager [Startup]
Part II for a coffee this week on / programmersarealsohuman
Interview with a Junior Product Manager with Josh Doe Jr. - aired on © The Product Manager.
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[@msal]

"When I'm stressed out, I create a toxic atmosphere, so people don't give me work."

[@__S__435]

Like a squid dropping ink

[@msal]

@@__S__435 lmao

[@harryrogers9403]

I feel attacked

[@olegcherezov4945]

the comment is on spot, but i don't want to ruin the current amount of likes

[@XX-ri1me]

"I know a lot about no code"

[@eckard9597]

Sounds like the first CTO i ever worked for lmfao

[@trietang2304]

== I know nothing about code and pretend to do.

[@jamillairmane1585]

"Ai"

[@CottidaeSEA]

I've tried some "no code" solutions. The only thing that changed was the syntax, now I had to use dropdowns instead.

[@eckard9597]

@@CottidaeSEA Tried it a few times, got annoyed. Tried to use their templating language with my APIs, got even more annoyed. Wrote what I wanted in python instead lol

[@ozturkberkayy]

It's just a skit. It's just a skit. It's just a skit...

[@iamthesamrus]

😂

[@user-wf5fi7dv2m]

I’m glad I’m not the only one that was in the fetal position chanting this to myself.

[@CalebFenton]

Thanks. I’m legit having heart palpitations.

[@mahoneg]

"I know we are launching tomorrow but the customer would want..."

[@Requiem100500]

PoV: you're a Star Citizen dev

[@Griffolion0]

Credit to the video it did fix my low blood pressure.

[@lashlarue7924]

🤣

[@TheAltair033]

>we're doing a cool form of agile Pain.

[@jorgamund07]

Rage.

[@papakamirneron2514]

Ah yes: I represent the customer to the engineers and the customer to the customer, I don't trust our engineers".

[@mahoneg]

Office space - I am a people person!

[@arjundureja]

"Life is about ups and downs... and quarterly OKRs"

[@majormayer7133]

3:15 who doesn't love the reverse brainstorming template, where the PM knows everything and advance and now just the rest of the team needs to get onboarded😂

[@OrbitalCookie]

Sounds like another day of startup theater.

[@MelroyvandenBerg]

"I need everybody in all meetings. Why is this taking so long to deliver?". 😅 True story... And it makes me very sad.

[@musicplaylist6909]

"It cant be that hard to build a button....I built one in confluence" -I -I im speechless

[@jaycobbcruz1362]

"Can we jump on a quick call?" - heard this on managers a thousand times

[@adityanair459]

Quick calls which go on for hours..

[@takeiteasyeh]

Adam is the only one getting shit done round here!

[@azaroth75]

I have the same feeling...

[@manprinsen8150]

“I want to be in every meeting “

[@NatiiixLP]

I don't mind that, but what I mind is when they want every engineer to be in every meeting, to which they're not allowed to contribute in any meaningful way.

[@P__114]

I’m a PM and avoid meetings at all costs

[@queenstownswords]

Then followed up with 'why is it taking so long?' is gold!

[@MelroyvandenBerg]

​@@NatiiixLPthat is also happening.

[@blackula911]

@@NatiiixLP ouch. right in the feels.

[@angelaldarias.5155]

"Yes my Füh*, VP....." "Im not going to replace you. Ai is" Pure gold

[@sortof3337]

sent this to my project manager.

[@azeek]

Hero

[@chpsilva]

Feeling the same impulse here...

[@Puschit1]

Tell us when you have been replaced by AI

[@ThomasVernonJr]

Bro got stainless steel balls

[@vybranocz5929]

Your project manager will probably not even read your message. And instead of in response plans another biweekly retrospective call mandatory for all engineers.

[@mise117]

Unbelievable, nearly every sequence triggers PTSD. Already one of your best!

[@asimplenameichose151]

"I'll write the ticket myself" Three years into a project and I am still waiting for that to happen once. Wish I had a nickel for every time ...

[@STOCKSINTHEWILD]

Love that you brought your framed *GOOD VIBES ONLY* picture to a random Starbucks. What an effort!

[@RogerValor]

Adam is the 10x developer

[@Puschit1]

I was imagining the Adam from VLDL's Playtech store!

[@nbarbettini]

Because Adam is actually getting work done instead of going to these meetings

[@vvvidya]

Adam is who we can all aspire to be like

[@atayurejonathan6582]

"Where's Adam?", felt that😂

[@eecisthebest]

I speak French fluent in Spanish a little bit of Latin, but simple, plain English requirements 🤷‍♂

[@tomijovanoski18]

Missed opportunity for “I speak Gherkin” 😂

[@BlunderMunchkin]

"I have great ideas five days before launch." I felt that and instinctively looked for my gun. I don't even own a gun.

[@monad_tcp]

That's why I don't own a gun.

[@MrAlanCristhian]

I instinctively closed my eyes in pain.

[@THEROOT1111]

@@monad_tcp It's effectively survival instincs kick in, just for other people.

[@internetmaryann]

Well, without kidding: we’re rewriting THE WHOLE LOGIC one week before going live. Why? “Because we need to stay agile”. I’ve set the timer for sev-1 and I’m patiently waiting.

[@foobarbazbaa5598]

"Actually we discussed this feature for the past 6 months with the other managers and now we only have one week left to implement it, sorry this is the first you're hearing of it. What is it? Oh just a simple two ways sync between our CRM and another." Only slightly exaggerated. Our sprints are two weeks not one.

[@antisocialclimber]

"Let's map out features on the mood board" 🤣🤣🤣

[@vacc1001]

Yooooo did he almost say Yes my Fuhrer? LMAOOOOOOO

[@limbo3545]

He did said it in German.

[@OrbitalCookie]

Fuhrer means leader in German. And yes that's an everyday word.

[@nulled7888]

​@@OrbitalCookie its not 💀

[@cloudlight9784]

​@@OrbitalCookie not in that context

[@commander3494]

@@OrbitalCookie as a German, noone here EVER uses Führer while not referring to a certain historical figure Edit: Ok not "ever" but its quite rare especially by itself

[@shanpsoldout]

this video triggers the memory when our PM used Microsoft Word shapes to design and articulate what our UI should do ☠️

[@monad_tcp]

Could be worse, the one that uses PSD

[@NatiiixLP]

- Manager creates a document in some obscure program - Stores it in their Google Drive and sends everyone a link - No one has permissions to access the file - Now we can open it, but we don't even know the program and manager CBA to export it in PDF or something - Figure out the source program, but it only runs on MacOS - Fk it, forget about the document, and just eyeball the project and deliver some PoC - Manager proudly presents the PoC as their design, and complains that engineers took too long to understand his simple and brilliant idea - Why do we live, just to suffer?

[@quadmasterXLII]

UI should be designed in microsoft paint.

[@hans3228]

@@NatiiixLP This is poetry

[@TankorSmash]

This is one of the best ones since the first JS one

[@AlecPollard-nc1kp]

Why add clearly visible jira comment when private DM is so much more trackable for everyone?

[@NatiiixLP]

Don't forget the part where they'll then make it the engineer's fault that it wasn't tracked, and that your story points are suspiciously lower than last sprint.

[@alexmarsh3748]

I’d like it in a word document attached to an email of a staff member who left 6 months ago please.

[@MsPBJTime]

"Did you see the bottom's-up OKRs I created?" lol how many times have I seen management do that?

[@ericmutunga5741]

"get this Raspberry Pi away from me, I'm a product manager."

[@jeffyboyreloaded]

"these are my personal goals, these are also my professional goals" 😂😂

[@DanielRodriguez-ff5cs]

Is like a normal day at my work .. I am just stunned

[@rob011]

The Balsamiq trash talk is everything

[@awkwardusername]

I prepped myself for satire but damn this is too real 😢

[@iamthesamrus]

It's incredible how well he nails the BS - this is actually a documentary 😂

[@joeshy]

This man doesnt miss.

[@potionsmeller313]

the developer videos are funny, the product manager videos are scary and funny.

[@beanieteamie7435]

I can't wait for "Interview with Jr. Crowdstrike QA manager".

[@NatiiixLP]

People in the comments not knowing what OKRs are live in such a blissful ignorance. Oh, how I envy them. I wish I could go back to my pre-corporate, pre-Agile days of naive youth.

[@givememorebliss]

I've worked as a corporate programmer for the last 12 years and I still needed to look it up. Guess I'm extremely lucky indeed.

[@SM-cs3nt]

@@givememoreblissCan someone explain what is so bad about them? Just looked them up and makes total sense for a company to have regularly adjusting goals and KPIs

[@NatiiixLP]

@@givememorebliss Are OKRs set entirely by your management without involving engineers, or what? It's a standard practice in pretty much any company I'd ever heard of, to have some form of quarterly goals, even if the terminology may vary.

[@harryweisner4356]

@@NatiiixLP Yeah I'm the same as the first reply, I've had goals set by every company I've been at (even a 4 man startup 🙄) but they've never been called OKRs, my partner is a data scientist and the amount of times they mention them on call is gross. I think I just hate hate all the managerial acronyms. In this case "OKR" definitely took the place of "Goals"/"Objectives" because some manager got annoyed that not every objective was written in the format: I'm going to do X to achieve Y.

[@NatiiixLP]

@@harryweisner4356 Yeah, I'm with you on "I hate managerial bullshit that makes engineers' lives more difficult for no reason" just because managers need to show they're doing "something".

[@user-vw2qt8vp8e]

they way he grabbed the coffee mug his future as a pm is looking bright 😭😭

[@zomgoose]

This is very good training for upcoming Jr. Product Managers.

[@thumbtwiddler1153]

I hope he asked my boss for permission to *directly quote him* for this video 🤔

[@ozten]

Why do I come back again and again for this PTSD?

[@Alexander-Hatala]

Never stop. Please. I love the branch into product/project management satire.

[@Gd2Ph]

I am not going to replace you, AI is.XDD

[@monad_tcp]

The irony is that engineers could use AI to manage the bureaucracy of a company and have no managers. But the other way around will never work as AI is not that smart to be an engineer, but its smart enough to be a manager, specially because they don't do much.

[@pedrobigboss]

@@monad_tcp this is when you lose the human part. meaning, managers and these kinds of spots have been inside institutions all over history just because they help boots the morals and create a harmonious environment.

[@Kantuva]

@@monad_tcp "The irony is that engineers could use AI to manage the bureaucracy of a company and have no managers. " Yah... right ....Engineers believing things 🤷‍♂ lmao

[@readyforlol]

@@pedrobigboss Actually, middle-management was created just so rank-and-file employees didn't realize the top brass were screwing them over and implemented a buffer line of managers between them and their staff so they could take all the complaints.

[@Gd2Ph]

@@pedrobigboss Strongly agree. Basically this video correctly peaks up Junior approach where the manager is full of ideas and has like only 5% of compassion to colleagues.

[@kristiyangerasimov6708]

blue pill sunglasses are 4d chess

[@jedanijedan3683]

i feel lucky not knowing what OKR is

[@dreamok732]

I was going to ask, but perhaps I shouldn't

[@Dezdichado1000]

It stands for the Oklahoma Rhunders.

[@temp50]

It is "Objective KeyResults" and - as you figured it out by now - it is a management BS with a captital B and S. It is about talking a lot while not doing anything useful.

[@esparda07]

I have an HR person-turned-CEO for some reason that I could imagine was this dude when he was younger.

[@chrism3790]

Jesus Christ this is an unending stream of PTSD.

[@professoryaffle332]

Extreme PTSD. This video made me burn my beanie and round sunglasses . . . thankfully the shirt is way off.

[@defnotathot]

why do they like cameras on meetings so much 😆

[@coneypylon]

because facial expressions are a large part of human communication

[@foobarbazbaa5598]

@@coneypylon Yeah except no one is looking at faces, there's always someone's screen being shared.

[@jna6536]

@@coneypylon clear, concise, specific design docs/screenshares are more relevant.

[@coneypylon]

@@foobarbazbaa5598 If a screen is shared, only the host needs their video on at all

[@coneypylon]

@@jna6536 these are definitely important, but should be the end product. If you're way earlier in working on something direct discussion is needed.

[@Yoruofthenight]

I wish we all can achieve our personal and career goals to be Adam at meetings.

[@robin5051]

I love the "raise your hand" part, we have that issue all the time lol

[@cariyaputta]

Can't be worse than Associate Product Manager Intern (daughters of the CEO).

[@jna6536]

I wouldn’t wish that pain on anyone

[@NathanaelNewton]

The headphone plug dangling from his shirt 🤣🤣

[@sortof3337]

i love adamn. adam is the goat.

[@juanandresmolina9704]

It's missing the part when they want to get points for everything, asking people to give the points but pushing for the lowest possible so they can include as many tasks as possible... And then when something is not completed within the deadline, they take a passive-aggressive attitude with BS like "You guys gave the points and we were within our capacity".

[@DauntingGecko]

This. This 10000000%

[@norlesh]

"I'm not gong to replace you, AI is." gold

[@Irresistance]

You do a wonderful job exposing just how full of s**t most software people are. I can know - I'm one myself. The number of incompetent money-oriented work-hours obfuscating BS artists in that field is truly mind-boggling. I was once told I am "too honest" to a client - I had the audacity to tell them I had to get into the project, and needed a few hours to get up to speed; the boss wanted to bill them for those 6-8 hours at full contract rates... i spoiled that plan... and I am happy I did.

[@MrNucleosome]

Isn't onboarding already part of the project? Or are you installing systems for free because they "only host the required solution"?

[@monad_tcp]

The other side of that is us, the engineers, padding up projects with 12 times the necessary time, otherwise how can we spend time on the LambdaTheUltimate or writing papers for PoPL.

[@NatoBoram]

On-boarding is part of the job!

[@vextech]

You basically acted 95% of my former “manager”. It was literally his every meeting like you showed. Plus he was doing his Ph.D paper while managed us… 🤪😄 I left after 3 weeks… 😂

[@Dvach_Hikka]

Hey your content is hilarious. Can you do a DevOps? (I created a jira ticket for that and scheduled a meet)

[@lanelesic]

Someone will watch this series of videos in the far future and try to piece together what tech industry was like :D

[@everything-bagel]

0:44 AI, Sign in with Google, Image of Steve Jobs. The engineers should be able to handle that depending on the "AI" requirements.

[@andrewgus8763]

“I don’t trust their engineers” Doesn’t even know how to code HTML

[@NatiiixLP]

The app is probably written on some voodoo that transpiles into React.TS, into React.JS, into some middleware voodoo, gets repackaged for perfect size optimisation, thrice, and then Babelised into ES4, with the only HTML source code being like 5 elements that include the final JS.

[@LeetHaxington]

Imagine being just as productive on a laptop in public than you are at the office. And team performance actually goes up.

[@JohnR436]

7:01 AM in the morning, ughhh so true why do they do this? 😭😭😭

[@sumitpurohit8849]

I am a self proclaimed ceo of a small startup in college. He abused me.

[@jurassicthunder]

Funny how they think AI will replace software engineers but it's easier to replace managers and CEOs 💀

[@PTS1337]

Unfortunately, good managers are so hard to find, that most of them got into their position via networking. When your only qualification is "knew the right people", you can never be replaced...

[@banzaipiegaming]

I like how it was all filmed at the same place and same time, yet there are just adhd levels of camera filters being applied throughout the entire dialogue. Fitting

[@wahffle6729]

This is officially the video in which Kai sounds the most sober

[@leoschielt721]

"GEt this Raspberry Pi away from me!" 🤣🤣

[@animanaut]

Adam == spirit animal

[@unfa00]

Okay, this is epic but I'm gonna need Prime to make an hour-long reaction video to this so I can understand all the jokes.

[@Bodom1978]

Adam rocks!

[@petersu4869]

the angled seat mat LOL

[@remsee1608]

This man is dropping vids let’s go!

[@jamess.2491]

"AI, Sign in with Google, image of Steve Jobs" fucking killed me 🤣

[@Gustav-hz3us]

Greatest channel that has ever been and ever will be

[@lashlarue7924]

This dredges up memories of when our VP Sales tried to get the dev who built our ERP to redo his entire backend (global for every customer config) to get around an internal control system for accounts payable. When the dev refused the VP fumed about how the guy was a "lazy fucker"... I mean it's only an accounting system that forms the backbone of the entire order management/treasury/controllership function that keeps all the investors from suing the officer/directors for defrauding them, so I think he had a point, the dev should have just made it more like Excel and less like some overly complicated thing that keeps people from vouching payables directly into their own personal bank account. Sheesh.

[@natetronn]

Serenity Now!

[@discontinuity]

Good PMs are the firewall for us devs. Bad PMs... well..

[@BradenJohnYoung]

Adam gets it

[@nameunknown007]

“I have great ideas 3 days before launch, yes!” 😄

[@smakfu1375]

As a CTO, this is my go-to guy.

[@DeanPeters]

It's junior PMs like this that keep me in business ... even if housebreaking them sometimes takes longer for the more 'cool' product peeps.

[@CommanderSteps]

OMG, I used Balsamiq for years 😅 Love your videos 😂

[@petru-cristianboza5933]

I love your content! I would like an interview with React, Spring boot, Kotlin or Android

[@thisnotdog]

great achievement xoxo

[@zvnavv3w5]

Thanks. I hate it.

[@hovhadovah]

"AI" That's it. That's the tweet.

[@nandanvarma]

Can relate ..... With Adam

[@cabanford]

These guys are so good

[@Dezdichado1000]

This vid makes me wanna vomit even more than the shaky cam alone would. Spot on!

[@elixexo4011]

I love this, perfectly mirrors the contempt for engineers 😂😂😂

[@P__114]

Not all PMs are like this

[@nikomancer69]

@@P__114 I think we all have moments where we're like this.

[@gbb1983]

He knows that he is THE joke among all the engineers right? Right? lmao

[@vuven8930]

I have Greta ideas 5 days before launch.... absolutely killed me hahahahaha

[@rallokkcaz]

Oh god... the realism.

[@TheLummen.]

Adam is amazing and irreplaceable !

[@Nikolai508]

I'm watching this and a message just came through from a manager that contained explosion emojis, so I think its time I go check Jira.