Interview with Uyghur Independence Activist Arslan Hidayat

[@liliany9267]

I am Chinese and I was in elementary school in China. I clearly remember that we had a lesson that Muslims do not eat pork, so we should all respect their customs and not even mention pork in front of them.

[@oneday2261]

you are right. I am uyghur and previously chinese too. not a single chinese han person disrespected my no-pork rule. But things are changed within last decade, especially after 2016-2017, far rural areas of XJ are went to extreme in this special policy era. So what he said is not completely untrue. 边远地区，有逼吃猪肉的现象，尤其在再教育营/集中营 里 special times, no rules. we are back to medieval times, friend.

[@hkwopczk1]

​@@oneday2261 这些都不是重点，重点是海外的一些维族满嘴谎言。 编造历史谎言，用美国人的钱找演员上新闻，不承认各民族在新疆的地位，想要把非穆斯林赶尽杀绝。 共产党都没有否认维族的历史地位，一边说共产党独裁，反过来就要怼非穆斯林独裁。这还有天理了。是个人都不会容忍他们这些极端的人分裂中国。 这下好了，世维会那些人把事情搞这么大，现在全大陆的人都知道了。底层民众积压得对东突否认历史，美化恐怖主义的行为的仇恨，相信很多人在youtube上都看得见。 一小撮人想挑起来10几亿人的愤怒。我不知道这个后果是他们来承担还是让那些老实的维族农民来承担。 在对于去极端化的过程，只要问一个理性的中国人，没人否认共产党有些时候做的会比较过分。 但是你对比下全世界。 中东对于同是阿拉伯人的也门人都凶残至极，沙特用火箭塔和飞机轰炸他们，只因为他们是什叶派。 更别说阿拉伯人和伊朗人互相看不起，都想弄死对方。 印度针对2亿穆斯林的最新行动就是剥夺他们的公民权。这些在西方都不会被大肆地报道或者批评，因为他们需要印度。

[@hkwopczk1]

@@oneday2261 汉人不讨厌维族。讨厌的是东突。 看看那些youtube上阿依图娜，安妮古丽的视频。 赞美他们的100%是大陆 香港和台湾人，骂她的都是海外的维族。 再去看看抖音。 骂维族女孩jalap,外江,妓女的几乎都是维族男人。 赞美他们的几乎都是汉人。 有些时候，不要总把自身的问题怪在别人身上，几十年来恐袭丧生的人，那些世维会的人美化成了反抗。经济发展不平衡带来的怨气，特别是90年代，西方思潮和改开后带来的碰撞，让很多年轻人很躁动，不只是新疆，内地从北到南都有。一些海外的维族人收了美国人的钱就使劲搞破坏。 以前民族政策的宽松让很多维族人认为自己有特权是理所当然，虽然他们不感觉自己有特权，但是表现出来的感觉就是政府不能管，也不敢管，管了我们就造反。 现在就是要拨乱反正的时候。 南疆加快了城市建设，给维族人几乎免费的医保（这些海外的维族几乎不会提），就是要让他们能从发展中得到生活的改善。 虽然总体上还是相对于内地是落后的，但是一山之隔的印度穆斯林，他们过的什么生活，那简直是地狱了。

[@Gist258]

@@hkwopczk1 浪费口舌，你回复一个东突分子干嘛，已经被洗脑了，长时间不回国+海外反华新闻，逼吃猪肉，他知道猪肉现在多贵么？

[@hkwopczk1]

@@Gist258 我相信肯定有不合理的措施，但是绝对不是东突动不动就百万那样子。 现在被关的人数已经从最初的100万，增长到800万，维族的历史已经被提升到9000年之多，这些我看到已经不去反驳了。当笑话看。只是抹黑的时候不把道理说明白感觉很懦弱。

[@jklee5419]

If the CCP is so anti-Uyghur, how come his father in-law became the civil servant in the first place?

[@itsoktolovechina]

Um...... Duh...... Um........ Good point.....

[@non-standardproletarian3356]

@@hizaberfrostbeard5665 The guest himself says that the Uyghurs have been oppressed by the CPC since 1949. So, his father-in-law would have to be at least 90 years old and his work in acting during the 80s would've been under duress. This doesn't make sense. Since the guest said his father-in-law is 56, that makes his case all the more questionable.

[@krielsamuel6345]

He was removed due of his ethnicity and and not having an angle eye majority of Chinese occupied his land. Same with Dalai Lama idiot.

[@samsun01]

​@@krielsamuel6345 Occupied land? Tibet was part of China before USA became a country, son. In the 1700s, you can count right, son? Occupied land like California, which was owned by Mexicans, you mean like that, son?

[@krielsamuel6345]

@@samsun01 Correction:Tibet and East Turkestan is NOT part of China map since Han dynasty nor Ming dynasty. China, Tibet n East Turkestan is part of Mongol / Manuchurian province. in 1300AD/1700AD respectively. If Han-Chinese can rebels against Ching(foreigner rule) emperor. Surely, Turks has a right to revolt against Communist China!!

[@i-t2447]

this man spends an hour talking about suspected mistreatment of minorities, then advocates for ethnic cleansing AND wants NATO to come in to help.

[@terry890]

Well said

[@牛皮纸老虎]

Then u can see those people logic. They're extreme activators.

[@voicefrompeople155]

Carl, you are great to help me to realize how scare about the Xinjiang separatist. They say they wants to establish an democratic country, but only Uyghur can vote. Also, they not only want to have Xinjiang separate from China, But also Gansu Province. God bless Xinjiang don't become another Syria!

[@susanchen8118]

you are right

[@civicblade1]

This coming from a so called or self proclaimed "moderate" Uyghur separatist. Now you can imagine why the Chinese government has to come down hard on the violent extremist. Imagine how much more suffering the Uyghurs and other minorities in Xinjiang will have to endure when the separatist gets what they want. The Chinese government will look like benevolent saviours then. Let's hope Xinjiang and its people remain united with the rest of China and prosper together. There is no reason why Uyghurs and other ethnic minorities cannot be part of a big Chinese Nation family.

[@scholarssolutions6735]

Exactly. American liberals conveniently love to forget this sort of terrorism would hurt even the Uyghurs that are peacefully living in Xinjiang and don’t want to be part of an ethnostate.

[@susanchen8118]

I remember such terrorists have so many Uyghurs as well. They literally don't care about lives.

[@spiderfran286]

I love how around the hour mark he's arguing for ethnic cleansing of Han Chinese

[@justinpodur]

I cannot believe what I am hearing.

[@DannyChean]

'Democratic/secular society with a muslim majority'...how is that going to turn out though?

[@niujitsu133]

The Chinese are so crafty. They've set up a murderous apartheid system that is so despicable when it comes to evidence it simply can't be found. It's all anecdotal. If only Hitler and Stalin could have been as ingenious as these CCP dirtbags...

[@AliumMoAnn]

@@DannyChean it's possible to have a democratic/secular society with a muslim majority, but you would need an aggressive separation between state and religion. This activist in the video definitely doesn't want that, especially since he's working with people who legitimately want to establish an antiquated caliphate in the region.

[@onanysundrymule3144]

I would imagine that draft contracts for oil, coltan, lithium, airbases etc are already drawn up between Uncle Sam and the proposed 'secular' East Turkmenistan state. The capital will have a street named "George Bush/ Biden /Trudeau /Johnson Way", and Sarkasvilli will be an urban district mayor etc.

[@Drownedinblood]

This guy is a dishonest, and thank you for your patience and time hosting this guy and revealing this(that cup must've been out of water by minute 10). The fact that he talks more about Islam than Uyghur culture as if they are one of the same should be a bit telling. He uses them interchangeably in the interview. When he wants to push the idea of persecution, he says it's "erasing uyghurness" but uses Islamic beliefs and practices as "uyghurness". The guy is likely an ETIM mouthpiece, and is admitted separatist(who doesn't believe it can happen) since he had to make it clear that Xinjiang is East Turkestan, and only people who call it that are ETIM and he downplays the fact that there are indeed Uyghur Jihadists in several parts of the world, Syria being the most prominent right now. You know the guy doesn't really want a secular East Turkestan and you can really see what he's implying by saying "if the PLA leaves, then the Han will leave" meaning it won't be safe for Han Chinese or anyone non correct Islamic Uyghur most likely and will likely be actually facing real genocide from extremists after they take over Xinjiang seeing as he seems to argue for an ethnostate talking about bloodlines, which ironically what he is accusing the current CCP of creating, where the CCP is either killing off Uyghurs or "erasing Uyghurness" by brainwashing and implying physical genocide with that al-jazeera population reference. The dude contradicts himself so much, he wants to talk like he's fine with other ethnic groups, but is offended that the CCP is apparently forcing Imam's to preach togetherness and unity and won't complete the thought as to why this is against "True Islam" and instead deflects this to Uyghurs seeing Han as invaders. Is this Uyghur sentiment or ETIM sentiment? hmm. He doesn't want to answer your question of why China would want to make someone who's perfectly fine and integrated in China, be anti-China by sticking them in a camp for no reason. Him answering that question straightforwardly would probably reveal something he doesn't want to reveal that might unmask him or his father in law. It is pretty ridiculous for China to create camps to brainwash people, fail at this and then release them where they can escape and give testimonies to foreign govs and make these camps ineffective by default by their own standards of integration into greater China, and just commit physical genocide anyway over Uyghurs being "too different", as he implies with that Al Jazeera report on Uyghur population. Both him and Isobel used the same example of a female Kazakh citizen who was apparently put into these camps despite not being a Chinese citizen or resident of Xinjiang, but Isobel claimed that she was allowed to leave because she wasn't a citizen, and here he claims that she was given a Chinese passport and ID, as if she was...not to say the Chinese gov couldn't do that, but why? Isn't this counterproductive to fighting extremism because usually if you're sneaking into a country to preach extremist ideology or commit extremist acts as she might be believed to be, you'd have to fake documents to pretend like you live there so you can establish yourself more readily, now the Chinese gov itself, is going to provide these official documents for you? just what?

[@小学生-m2b]

wow such a long comment....

[@voicefrompeople155]

very good.

[@牛皮纸老虎]

Absolutely correct summary. Now l am a little bit worry about Carl. Those people are extremists.

[@itsoktolovechina]

ETIM have pulled off an al qaeda and isis tactic. They changed their name to TIP turkistan islamic party or TIM turkistan islamic movement. To avoid being called and being designated terrorists

[@sharazkhan4241]

Wow the xi xinping typed your comment for you

[@youtubeisgarbage1969]

He's a HS teacher...truly horrifying.

[@mantapdjiwa9768]

What is HS teacher ?

[@youtubeisgarbage1969]

@@mantapdjiwa9768 High school teacher

[@suriantoku]

@@mantapdjiwa9768 guru SMA

[@cnpinesong2534]

祝你们好运。

[@andrewlim7751]

So this guy is responsible for "grooming" Australian teens? Geez!!!!

[@zheng5724]

This guy is a Uyghurs activist but doesn't have much knowledge about Uyghur's history and Xingjiang. Carl did a great job exposing this separatist liar.

[@alyasagan3620]

He got no knowledge but he want the whole of Xinxiang that belong to China.

[@YawenXu]

Right to the point, the only thing he's associated with Xinjiang is his blood... He was raised and educated in Australia, his stereotypical impression of Xinjiang existed before he returned there.

[@brainwashington1332]

Uyghurs are not the indigenous inhabitants of Xinjiang. Xinjiang was known as Dzungaria in the 16th century, the Dzungars were oppressing the other ethnic minorities (including the Uyghurs), they requested help from the Qing to overthrow the Dzungars, the Dzungars were exterminated.

[@MarStoryTime]

Even the term ‘Uyghur’ wasn’t used until the 1930s.

[@youngmurphy7556]

According to Wikipedia the ancestors of Uyghurs migrated from Mongolia. Not exactly indigenous.

[@leiyue1411]

Actually the indigenous habitant of Xinjiang is white people according to archeological foundings from several ancient graves. Uyghur are descendents of Mongolian immigrants and indigenous white people.

[@brainwashington1332]

@@leiyue1411 finding cocasoid skeletons in the region doesn't mean they are indeginous, it just means they were there, probably traders travelling on the silk road

[@leiyue1411]

They are. According to archeological foundings and ancient written records of Chinese scholars, those white tribes lived as east as gansu province today date back to 1000bc.

[@horley88]

Great job Carl ... unmasking his inconsistencies and his father blocking him from wechat ..lol

[@samuelfisher5002]

I mean when I heard that I was like "this is not a hole in a story, it is a sinkhole and is just getting bigger and bigger". Basically everything he says that happens to them can be thought as lies simply because he said he has no contact, like how are you gonna get the info?

[@cherwong534]

Praise this kind of talk! Engaging rather then slander! Making people understand what is it! Learn something everyday! Thanks host!

[@MrYsosad]

and this guy is a teacher. Australian future generations are in a uphill battle

[@ez9671]

This Arslan guy doesn't know the history and is full of lies.

[@MarStoryTime]

He’s just a paid propagandist.

[@yueshenlai604]

He said he became an activist after the 7.5 riot,Does anyone know what really happened on the 7.5 of 2009?Innocent Han Chinese were killed randomly and brutally by the Uyghur rioters who may lured or agitated by ill-intention ones.Did China bombed them like the US do to the Muslim world,no!and never!

[@oneday2261]

@@yueshenlai604 you dont know shit about 7.5. We lived through 7.5 in Urumqi. Innocent Han chinese were killed randomly, more innocent uyghurs died that night and afterwards on 7.7 and early september. all you see is the crack of window, you know shit about what all happened.

[@garrettm7265]

​@@oneday2261 you're right man, but you could express it in a better way. the extremists killed not only innocent Han but innocent Uyghurs as well, because "if they told the innocent Uyghurs ahead, their plan would have been leaked. And the dead innocent Uyghurs would go to heaven anyway. "

[@garrettm7265]

@@kchen1987 you didn't see all the truth. There're innocent Uyghurs get killed who only want to live peacefully and inclusively. Don't let hatred fill your mind. We are all compatriots.

[@andrewcrisp1037]

I'll sum up the Australians main points here: - There is no actual evidence to support any claims we make but believe them to be true - We rely on what others tell us - I don't know much about Xinjiang or it's history - I would support a Democratic Secular state where Han Chinese would have no vote but in reality actual advocates for independence would construct a fundamentalist Islamic state

[@iwankohar2078]

this guys is absolutely cluless what he fight for

[@Jiidwag]

Are you an idiot?? Xinjiang Uyghur Chinese love being part of China, they consider themselves Chinese. The outsiders(USA & ISIS trained terrorist) infiltrated China to push for radical Islamic terrorist separatist state. Part of America's divide & conquer strategy.

[@greyfox8517]

Good on you Carl! This guy is really misinformed...there are many vegetarians in China and they are not incarcerated for being different...not eating pork is almost irrelevant...

[@greyfox8517]

Wow...he assumes Chinese people would just leave East Turkestan...and he’s against ethnic cleansing?

[@greyfox8517]

Omg...Chinese wouldn’t have right to vote...from someone portrayed as a human rights activist no less...😂😂😂

[@greyfox8517]

Gosh he must be absolutely livid and ready to explode at the Australian government’s treatment of aborigines, based on how their ancestors took away the land of the aborigines and how aborigines have lower than average socioeconomic status.

[@angelalovarco2680]

I'm inclined to suspect that this fella hasn't heard from his family as they have likely dis-owned him - because he's a lunatic.

[@glengrant3884]

Totally agree!!🤪nutjob!

[@Dagnah]

Carl : you are very shroud. You exposed this young but confused person.

[@liewjames2852]

Not shrewd. More like sharp and patient.

[@patewing1140]

Arslan has proven himself to be completely dishonest.

[@samzeng159]

He is pretty upfront and honest about what he want which is a uyghur enthostate. The accusation against China and the CCP is just a screen for that larger goal.

[@winstond4445]

@@samzeng159 Why don't they try to establish that state in Australia? Why bother setting uighur state in xinjiang? Oh wait.. Cause he will be imprisoned? BTW xinjiang was a chinese land before they assimilated uighur culture in it. He can go to tasmania... new zealand to establish that 'australian' uighur state.

[@nanakofi7537]

​@@winstond4445he is full of nonsense

[@AfsalPA]

Even though his father in law is so assimilated to CCP and and Chinese culture he married off his daughter this person who wants separate country ...you see the irony ... don't you :P

[@4exgold]

yes excellent point.

[@AliumMoAnn]

Feel bad for the father in law’s daughter

[@alantan9863]

lol. If his father in law is a CCP member as claimed, he would not want him as his son in law.

[@MebzHuman]

An Australian working in Bahrain living in Turkey thinks he knows about China lol

[@ubermenschen3636]

And he claims to represent most of the Uighur people.

[@roccoboy32]

He can't meet his CIA handlers in China.

[@Nomad_786]

I don't think he knows much about china but he knows plenty on East Turkestan.

[@susanchen8118]

@@Nomad_786 ET is totally an invention during the Russian Empire era...Also, design another flag before showing off like an idiot

[@stevenliu3744]

by his logic of han Chinese having no right to vote because they are not indigenous to the land, does this apply to america? shouldn't the Anglos/Europeans have no right to vote? what about Australia?

[@Gist258]

Uyghur is not an indigenous group in Xinjiang, their ancestors immigrated to Xinjiang and became ruling group around Sui and Tang dynastys.

[@davidcai4473]

Only exiled criminals are allowed to vote in Australia.

[@yuanhaochue2889]

Absolutely, he is being emboldened by a class of outcast Anglo Saxon on invaded land using genocide n Exploitation in particular the White Australia Policy.. my personal experience, Australian is one of the most racist Western ruled neo liberal democracy supremacy egoism nation on earth... to shelter this race n religious nutcracker demonstrated the double standard hypocrisy for lack of moral n ethics as a civilised modern state...

[@__Man__]

@@Gist258 of course Uyghur is indigenous of Xinjiang, they are the direct descendant of Chagatai Turks along with Uzbek. Chagatai Turks came from Altay steppe as nomad in Northern Xinjiang then spread to Turpan until Qizil Qum. Those who stayed in Turpan until Altinshahr become Uyghur and who stayed in Qizil Qum between Syr Darya and Amu Darya become Uzbek. Even the name of location is originally from Turkic language not Sino. Sino habitat and culture is develop in wet and paddy field in the Eastern China not Central Asian steppe nomad like Turks or Mongol. That's why Sino cuisine culture is often symbolised with short grain rice, soupy veges and extreme animal along with other East Asians (like Korean and Japanese) also with South East Asians, while Uyghur cuisine is symbolised by tandoor naan, gravy and soupy meat, polo/pilov rice (not short-grain steamed rice), moreover no food in Uyghur came from extreme animal. That's why most of desert areas in China are newly conquered not naturally owned by Sino. Sino is East Asian, Uyghur are Central Asian. Sino (except Hui) is heavily isolated from Middle Eastern culture, while Uyghur is heavily influenced by Persian culture, because Chagatai made Persian became a language of noble and poetry. Very different culture and clear archaelogical tracing

[@smokyondagrass2353]

Even radical Palestinians I know aren't this crazy.

[@peasantmob1712]

This guy dug his own grave, Carl at most told him where to dig.

[@TY-ob7fz]

Hi Carl Nice interview. Isabel said thousands of people she had been informed or perhaps hundreds, so hope you'll be able to interview more with as strong a voice. The mindset is separatism, which many countries with aim of national unity, would not hold dear.

[@terencekwong3033]

Great interview... Then ur guest says I also interviewed with Daniel Dumbrille, now I gotta spend another hour checking out his podcast. Fan of both of you guys, keep up the great work ✊

[@naughtyfatpaws]

He gives the same answers to Daniel when asked similar questions. It is clear that he is a misinformed individual who actually grew up abroad but has family in xin jiang. You can tell how little he actually knows about the region when they discuss the history. He evades answering questions properly and defects to the various scripted cia stories like how at the mosques when they preach they force you to pair with han counterparts, then when drilled about it in details he admits the imams are just teaching you to be harmonious with your neighbours 😅. So many lies and maybe some half truths distorted to fit his narrative 🙈this guy has to keep going just due to his ego and the fact he thinks he's now world famous.

[@dunkinpossum]

Aslan is a product of the Australian narrative/mindset... literally has little understanding/historical facts of the issue being discussed yet eager 2voice/echo his own self righteous n bias opinions

[@honchor]

I just loved this interview!!! It cleared a lot of my confusions. All Han Chinese even settled down there for a few decades will be exiled once the new country is established, isn't it genocide?.

[@BlackBearInvesting]

I was 6 when I moved out of China. Even at age 6 I knew Muslims don’t eat pork. My first grade teacher in Finland was Muslim. My parents knew Muslims don’t eat pork and didn’t cook pork when my teacher and her husband came for dinner. There are Halal restaurants, supermarkets and Halal options in every Food hall in universities. My favorite meal when I visit China is Halal XinJiang Food. Lying has a limit.

[@bang4buck326]

not only that, most university in China has halal canteen for muslims students. Plus, Xinjiang Autonomous region has Uyghur tv shows in Uyghur language written in traditional arabic script, and uyghurs children don't have to pay for school, Free education!

[@ubermenschen3636]

@1:07:05, this guy is treading on thin ice; he has decided only the traceable Chinese families from 1949 are allowed to remain in his theoretical East Turkmenistan. Every Chinese will be expelled from his new Muslim State. Under his formula, I’m fairly sure the Christian, Catholic, Jew, Buddhist, and unpopular variant of Islam are not welcome in his theoretical East Turkmenistan. Essentially, his formula is ethnic cleansing sprayed over with perfume.

[@homerusares1470]

As we say in Australia, this bloke doesn't pass the pub test. Bollocks!

[@lilyloh9375]

Low IQ

[@DavidLee-x7l]

😂 good one

[@kiddkai]

This guy shouldn’t allow to vote in Aussie, because he’s not the aboriginals.

[@MrHistoryFan]

There are quite a few KZbinrs in Xinjiang. 阿依图娜，安妮古丽 From the vlogs, we can see that Xinjiang people are living in decent lives. In contrast, I sympathize those people who live in the war torn Afghanistan or Syria.

[@roccoboy32]

If this guy and his like minded followers get their way, Xinjiang will be the next Afghanistan and Syria.

[@Nomad_786]

Isnt youtube banned in China?

[@susanchen8118]

People like Arslan Hidayat won't live in Afghanistan or Syria, they only want to live in western countries.

[@susanchen8118]

Some of my thoughts about the so-called "Uyghur Activists" 1. The high-level separatists were mostly corrupted officials and they stole so much money from normal people, that's why they hate the Chinese government so much. 2. Then they guided the poor and uneducated people to do terrorist activities. In the very end, they portrayed themselves as victims. They all prove the so-called "activists" are just shameless stupid persons.

[@scy9272]

He was born in Australia, lived there with his parents. Did he or his family ever give a thought to the fact that they were living in a country where actual genocide of the native Australians occurred? What did he think about so many Aboriginals fill the prisons in Australia?

[@fun_ghoul]

Good point, but I suppose ASPI doesn't allow their puppets to speak ill of wh*te supremacist colonialism!

[@tkk685]

Your patience is admirable! He just goes round and round without answering your question directly!

[@Gaiafreak6969]

1:03:50 "We want a secular democracy guys!" "Political inclusion is racially based"

[@siraposu]

It’s clear not religion or race; it’s separatism.

[@austinsun3645]

About 60-80 million Muslims in China and they all pray and they all don't eat pork; why is a particular guy is targeted and the others are left alone?

[@canon2k7]

Asked to explain the complete nonsense term "communistic Islam", proceeds to go on a tangent about eating pork and drinking alcohol? Where did you find this crank?

[@julianchung9215]

I've been to Xinjiang a number of times, I also live in Australia. Prior to the implementation of the re education camp, China experienced numerous terrorist acts, people died on a massive scale, solution was to implement the camps. If you check the map Afghanistan actually shares a boarder with Xinjiang, almost all terrorists trained in Afghanistan,. Last I checked there are so many mosques in Xinjiang, don't take my word for it and just visit and you'll know Arslan is not telling the truth.

[@Jiidwag]

The Afghan TERRORIST ISLAMIST were trained by British Mi6 and USA CIA to infiltrate China to create radical separatist terrorist groups in the peaceful Xinjiang Muslim Chinese population.

[@glengrant3884]

Don't forget C.I.A involvement for 40 odd years!☠

[@syphon000]

Carl sounds like u need to try and interview the father in law next

[@iknowu6068]

they would just say that the father in law does the interview at gunpoint.

[@terryli3685]

TRUE, he needs to interview the real Uyghur from china.

[@kickyouinhalf]

After this interview, I'm not sure there is anymore reason to dig any deeper. I would say Zha has already exposed all of his lies and intentions.

[@hmongguy4043]

yea we know you want sharia law as your end goal. uyhur doesnt want sharia law.

[@AliumMoAnn]

@FearlessRevolution ???

[@dragon2695]

Well done Carl. We can see clearly why he activated him self and why his cousins don't want to meet him.

[@apilgrim4919]

Arslan's account of Uighurs being oppressed for following Islam is contradicted by Muslims freely worshipping in a mosque in Beijing. So it is not persecution by the CPC of a Uighur because one is a Muslim.

[@ralphzoombeenie2330]

I'm watching this a second time now Dec 2022. Great interview Carl Maybe I missed but did you question him on the exemption of Uyghur families when the one and two Child policies were in force. He didn't seem aware that ethnic minority have additional bonus points with higher education scoring compared to Han students. He was incorrect regarding Australia's reaction to Muslims leaving to fight in the ME wars. Australian's are still in jail for attempting to travel to join ISIS and for having extremist literature. Monitoring and profiling of Muslims is practiced in many western countries beside Australia and the US. I'd like his views on what constitute "true Islamic values". Is it Wahhabi, Taliban or ISIS who are the true Islam, they all believe it is them. He should have been questioned his views on the terrorism by Uyghur's returning from Syria which cost hundreds of lives in Xinjiang before heavy security was necessary, Fast tracking for human organs is necessary because of their usability time constrictions. Is it possible the people released from re-education camps do not want to re-unite with separatist family members? At 1:48:40 he mentions interviewing a jailed Kazakhstani woman who "never had a Chinese ID" and shortly after he states she showed him a photocopy of her Chinese ID???? Who would give a national ID card to jail a foreigner? The interviewee has a lot of credibility issues.

[@unifieddynasty]

It's very easy to prove that Turks are not native to Xinjiang. Turks were historically steppe nomads. The historical inhabitants of Xinjiang were Oasis city states.The most likely and historically documented scenario is that a remnant of the Turkic Uighur khanate in northwestern Mongolia, after being defeated by the Turkic Kyrgyz khanate, migrated south to Xinjiang where they 'took over' the region from the locals to such an extent that local culture was gradually replaced by Uighur culture.

[@terryli3685]

Arslan Hidayat: "Uyghurs are peace loving people" but he mentioned the 2009 massacre in Urumqi i laughed so hard. There are also Uyghur terror attacks throughout china, not sure this was mentioned. No one cares what you believe in china, ppl care what you do. (ex. independent ideology) there is freedom of religion, but there is also a limit. most of the Chinese people believe religion should not influence politics and this is the limit. Its not about ccp, any government would come down on them, not to mention that Uyghurs as a minority were privileged by the ccp.

[@peterwilliams7335]

How come he did not say that in France, Muslim women is banned from wearing Muslim head-covering in the public?

[@cristianoisabel5585]

"I imagine that people would leave..." very clear.

[@crystalball020]

One thing I like about the "pro China" commentators is that they are truly trying to be objective. Ask these "freedom fighter media" to ever invite an pro China person on their show

[@hmongguy4043]

this guy's story doesn't match indigenous uyghur's account of the ccp.

[@hmongguy4043]

he just wants a genocide of the chinese

[@hmongguy4043]

he's trying to implement sharia law.

[@AliumMoAnn]

@@hmongguy4043 first off it’s not “sharia law”: it’s just “Sharia”, otherwise you’re just saying “Law law” since “sharia” means “law”. Second, sharia in of itself isn’t a bad thing-radicals have taken it to basically mean Islam during the prophet’s time 1400 years ago, and most Muslims don’t even completely adhere to that form of Islam anymore since it’s now antique. For instance, while Islam doesn’t outright ban slavery, you’d have to search long and hard to find a Muslim who still believes that slavery should be legal because it’s not technically outlawed in the Quran from my understanding.

[@YahiaMansouri]

@@hmongguy4043you dont even know what that word means. LOL.

[@YahiaMansouri]

@@AliumMoAnnit is forbidden. please seek more knowledge, and not from regurgirating.

[@uzbekistanimale]

59:11 is literally by definition ethnic cleansing... lol

[@Kulu-M]

So at 1:00:00, in the creation of his ideal Uyghur utopia, he believes that if the PLA leaves Xinjiang all the other ethnic groups will just somehow happily pack their bags and leave! Isn't this the reason the reeducation camps exist, to prevent such extremism and separatism. No one in their right mind will give up their land peacefully; there will be a civil war, a fact he conveniently omits. This guy is trouble maker. And a point of correction, the US is not alone to blame for the destructive methods employed in quelling extremism and terrorism. The list includes Canada, Australia, New Zealand, Germany, France, Britain, Denmark, Saudi Arabia and others... The coalition forces as they are called; they also trained and armed extremists.

[@hexkobold9814]

Look up the history of the former Soviet republics of Central Asia of Kazakhstan, Kyrgyzstan, Tajikistan, Uzbekistan, and Turkmenistan. They all had much larger ethnic Russian populations before than they do now. Many Russians left after independence on their own accord. Some of them stayed and became citizens. In the 1959 population census of Soviet Kazakhstan, Kazakhs were only 30% of the population and Russians a whopping 42.7% percent. In 1989, right before Kazakhstan's independence, Kazakhs were 39.7% and Russians 37.8%. Ten years later, in 1999, Kazakhs were 53.5% and Russians 29.9%. As of 2009, Kazakhstan is 63.1% Kazakh and 23.7% Russian, with the Russian population continually declining as emigration back to Russia or other countries. The Russians that remain in Kazakhstan are citizens as well as people from one hundred and fifty other ethnic groups. Presumably many Han Chinese would leave East Turkestan on their own accord, just as they are doing *right now* due to discontent with Chen Quanguo's police state. Those Han people that remain, along with other ethnic groups like Kazakhs, Hui, Kyrgyz, Tajiks, Mongols, Russians, Uzbeks, Tatars, Xibe, Manchus, Daurs, and Dongxiang, should all be recognized as legally-protected minorities within a secular, multicultural East Turkestan society.

[@远山-k3s]

@@hexkobold9814 The fall apart of USSR is different from separatism in Xinjiang. The former one is a nation-wide concensus and every republic just politically restore to what they originally were. Xinjiang is part of China, under effective administration since Tang Dynasty. Separatism mainly planned by extremists in Xinjiang involves genocide and despicable violence. You must know the 7·5 riot... And what will you do if majority of Han people are not going to move "on their own accord"? Finally, I suggest you use a better name for your mirage Shangri-La since East Turkestan is recognized as a terrorism organization by many countries...

[@justinpodur]

at around 90 minutes he complains that he heard a message of ethnic harmony at a mosque in urumqi.

[@jimmydo6682]

That doesn't make sense. When he said they detained him because he uyghurs. If that was the case all uyghurs are detained right now.

[@MarStoryTime]

Wait. What? Arslan literally says “my voice has been boosted by Western media”. 41:05

[@sharazkhan4241]

Your taking words out of context

[@withlove312]

It starts off ok enough, then he starts contradicting himself more and more, then the rhetorical flourishes become more absurd, and then by the 1:00:00 mark its mask off for this guy

[@MebzHuman]

This guys idea or moderate Islam is extreme to the average Muslims and general people.

[@AliumMoAnn]

@FearlessRevolution as a Muslim it seems like Arslan may be a bit of a racist ngl

[@ctnke]

Even though this guy’s dad blocked him in twitter, at least he still recognizes him as his son. My dad went to get milk 17 years ago and still isn’t back

[@J1MMY8LU35]

Aslan's job: 90% 'activist', 10% researcher.

[@Jiidwag]

Aslan's job spread TERRORIST propaganda on behalf of ISIS(USA CIA trained and paid assets)

[@taeril1]

Welcome to ex Jugoslavia, we got many new, independent nations, and from every of those new Nations, wether it is Slovenia, Croatia, Bosnia and Herzegovina, Serbia, Montenegro, Macedonia and even Kosovo people are running away from their independent countries, whole families moving out, whole villages and smaller cities disappearing. Sure, there was emigration in Jugoslavia as well, but never on this scale. Jugoslavia was destroyed and plundered by America and Europe as well, America in particular was dropping bombs made of nuclear waste on my country and in our Adriatic see as well, as wherever bombers would be returning to airbase in Italy, and if they were unable to drop their bombs during their mission, they would drop them in our sea. So in short, we fought a war for our Western masters, we were plundered and culturally destroyed by our masters and now we only dream about going to our masters lands in order to be able to survive. Wish you good luck with these kinds of wishes for your country...

[@roccoboy32]

FYI, as someone who has worked in the commercial aviation field for many years, I can confirm that organ transport is a common practice among many of the worlds airlines. Each airport will have it's own procedure but the organ is typically brought to the airport in a special sealed cooler by a hospital representative, ambulance attendant or sometimes a police officer. Because these are time critical shipments it would not be unusual at all to see an express line for human organ transport at some airports. In many cases this could be the same line as that used by the flight and cabin crews. The pilot will secure the cooler in the flight deck where it remains until landing. It is then quickly handed off to a waiting hospital representative or medical courier again in the reverse order upon arrival. Nothing unusual as your guest is trying to insinuate Carl.

[@jmak272]

It's so satisfying watching Carl run circles around this guy with the history of Xinjiang.

[@locked6439]

i can tell this guy is a liar

[@ryanshiflett2178]

This guy seems to want to purposely drive a wedge between Uyghurs and Han Chinese and seems very dishonest in many of his statements

[@alantan9863]

Agree. I think he wants to provoke the Han Chinese, then the Han Chinese asks the Communist Party to adopt hardline approach.

[@hexcap]

He's literally calling for something similar to the Armenian genocide for non-Uyghurs in east Turkistan.

[@itsoktolovechina]

Great job on this interview carl. Great

[@K_one_w_one]

Fair interview Carl & you can tell you did your homework. Hidayat's mask of moderatation finally slipped after 60 mins.

[@estchu]

Arslan answers questions with a lot of here say without facts based logic. Smoke and mirrors are Arslan‘s reasoning and debating strategy. Ask him what he think of Australia's atrocities in Afghanistan.

[@unifieddynasty]

Conversely, if Arslan wants to argue for an ethnostate based on ethnogenesis, he should promptly tell all the Turks in Turkey and the Caucasus and Russia and Central Asia to kindly go back to Mongolia where their ancestors orginated from. The history of the Turkic civilization is one of successful conquest confined to largely the past 1000 years. By Arslan's logic, the vast majority of Turkic lands are illegitimate. Arslan should tread carefully lest his argument actually be widely adopted by the world.

[@azizaziz5621]

Good interview, respectfully done.

[@charlesli8600]

What a troubled man...... speechless

[@rliu001]

By this guy's logic, should every USA state seek independence? Should America give the land back to native Americans? The South tried to leave the union, and what happened? The guy might want to learn some history.

[@litesp]

I smell CIA in this guy.

[@jamescktan17]

And he making money thru his you tube channel but spreeing lies

[@TXSH220]

At very least he is honest about his eventual dream of XinJiang. Great show. None of major USA media’s will give 10 seconds of that. Even John Oliver regurgitating massive misinformation. Keep up the great work!

[@fun_ghoul]

Fun fact: John Oliver's wife is an Amerikkkan military officer, once posted at Abu Ghraib.

[@kristinheartknaan]

Wow. Coming across this 4 yrs late, just after watching all Carl’s TikTok to Red Book refugee videos! What a shift! 2022-2025! Now: This young activist comes across as honestly caring yet I get the sense that he has been duped into mediating for an precariously unsubstantiated nationalist cause through which his naïveté’ could actually bring more trouble than help for innocent Chinese Uyghurs. Although he says does feel he’s positively influencing the Chinese govt’s policies affecting his people. Carl very diplomatically yet relentlessly brings each question, doubt, belief, lack of evidence, allegation, and record of history as a therapeutic opportunity for the benefit of this guest’s own self-examination- into the motives and rationale driving his personal sense of mission. I’m glad I stuck with this excruciating interview out of respect for Carl’s skillful and respectfully open-minded interrogative diplomacy and dedication to ferreting out the discrepancies of a narrative. He must be a wonderful father! 🫶🥰

[@道德经-q9g]

Carl, I think mr. Hidayat is a separatist and he is trying his best to sound like he has no idea of the ccp's intent. He is a poor liar.

[@austinsun3645]

Starting in 2002, the United States government detained twenty-two Uyghurs in the Guantanamo Bay. Did Arsian speak out for them?

[@wzlzd5295]

the guy is full of lies. just curious how much he takes from CIA to do this kind of dirty work.

[@good2freelance1]

''Born and raised in Australia'' meaning you are 100% Australian citizen. Not qualified to be Uyghur at all. Like Italian born in Australia, not qualified to be Italian. Arslan is exaggerating things, i want to hear Uyghers from Xinjian, not exile Uygers from the west who are no longer Xingjian citizens.

[@liliany9267]

Just saw someone replied my comment, he said “China government force Muslim people eat pork.” Excuse me! Do you know how expensive pork is in China? If you want to make up a story next time, please do some homework first! What a shame!

[@远山-k3s]

哈哈哈哈哈，真是，现在还在想办法降猪肉价呢，爱吃不吃，不吃更好的事情……

[@kavabean]

Great video. Dialogue allows progress. Dielectics in action. Request 1: I wish you would have asked him how an independent delegation touring Xinjiang (as was offered to EU by China) could help document the camps. The delegation may not be allowed to go anywhere but the locations they are denied access to gives some information. If they have GPS coordinates why can't they ask EU delegation to visit those places? What efforts have they made in this direction? By not engaging with Chinese tour offers they enable propaganda. At some point we must deny them credibility if they won't take up the offer. Request 2: I wish you would have dug deeper into the nature of his personal network. How many people has he met in Xinjiang? How many of those people believe in an independent East Turkmenistan? How many families has he spent time with? Are they all separatists? If you mapped out his entire social network in Xinjiang and coloured it based on their opinion on various matters what would it look like? Does he think his network is representative in Xinjiang? If we randomly interviewed 1000 Uyghurs would they answer similarly? My general impression is that he believes propaganda because it supports his view of the world, but that his view of the world is real and organic. As I bring up above, it could be that he is connected to a particularly separatist social network. But if I give him the benefit of the doubt it sounds it could be like White racism in the USA or like Han racism in Tibet (as described by Parenti here: www.michaelparenti.org/Tibet.html ). I also wonder if the 're-education' camp programme might have been abused by low-level officials to settle scores and the lockdown and general situation has encouraged an us-vs-them mindset in low-level officials, which leads to mistreatment. It happened in the USSR purges even though they were necessary. It wouldn't be surprising if such dynamics were in play. This leads to another request. Request 3: If the truth of the situation was more organic racism and colonialism as occurred in Tibet, then it should be showing up in a number of similar ways. It wouldn't just be random people being dumped into re-education centres. It would be longer sentences, harsher fines, selective enforcement, police harassment, etc. It would be day-to-day racism. This should show up in interviews. Could you please dig into this in future interviews? The sterilisation situation may also be something like this. There is a real basis to sterilisation legally but there may be ethnic bias in the enforcement. I believe in China if you reach the birth limit you should be sterilised but it is not always enforced. In 2015 the 1 child policy (which was actually 1-Han/2-Minority in urban area, 2-Han/3-Minority in rural policy) was changed to universal 2-child policy for both urban/rural. All of the rural Uyghur women who had 2 children before were below the limit of 3. After 2015 they were at the limit. It is known this law (forced sterisation) is not always enforced. Ethnic tensions could lead to more enforcement against Uyghur women/families. An example of what is mean is the Drug war in the USA. Look at how it is implemented. Cruel laws selectively enforced to implement social control and intimidation among particular communities. It could be happening in Xinjiang. Only widespread interviews of regular Uyghur people can uncover the truth about the extent of mistreatment and whether it is organised from a high level or whether it is simply organic human ugliness. Until we have more data I have to remain sceptical of anything other than run of the mill racism because of who is pushing the stories. After the Covid Crisis dies down hopefully more generally pro-China pro-Marxism people will visit Xinjiang and try to give a clearer picture. If there is a real racism problem in Xinjiang it is a real problem for Socialism as racism is a strong sign of a deeper transition to capitalism. Sorry for such a long comment. I'm just writing down some reaction to your work. Hope some of it is worth reading.

[@marcelinoperez2926]

Carl Zha you are very good in this interview, I like your manners

[@harrybs5090]

They must be drawing a clear line , if Uighur want to rebels of course China will impose the military law. This is to be honest there are people in Uighur persuade others to act against China.

[@michaelclarke1986]

I love how this guy paints a future East Turkistan as some kind of Utopia then goes on to stay you can only live there if your blood is pure Uyghur. This is some fucked up shit.

[@faridazoum780]

Nice take.. thank u Carl

[@MC-iw7bu]

Great job👍, you sure gave this boy a good history lesson

[@shawnhennity1769]

Here is the problem: according his description, CCP wants to get rid of his father in law, but not give him passport. It sounds like CCP wants to get rid of him by keeping him? It doesn't make any sense.

[@KenanliaH]

toyally

[@justinpodur]

The second half is astounding.

[@heyboo9728]

He's an Australian. Born in Australia. Not a real Uyghur. A wannabe.

[@litesp]

Ask this guy what he thinks would happen to him if he tried to pass through an American airport?

[@alantan9863]

Racial profiling.

[@ubermenschen3636]

@1:56:05. It’s all about money, he says. Those who support the Uighur is about money, and those who don’t support the Uighur is about money. So how much money does this Australian born Uighur receives for supporting the Uighur?

[@terry890]

I always thought there is no mistreatment of Uyghurs in China, after watching this interview, now I'm SURE I was right.

[@KingKong-uf3xq]

This guy claimed can’t trust China statistics about Uyghurs population but he accept Adrian Zenz report, but when Adrian Zenz claimed Uyghurs increase in 3 years statistic, he can’t accept? Isn’t that cherry picking?

[@ubermenschen3636]

@1:13:34, Now that Carl jammed him with the question about the where would the Mongrels ( who had lived in Xinjiang for thousands of years) live in the theoretical East Turkmenistan, the Australian born Uighur washes his hand saying the government of the theoretical East Turkmenistan will make the determination. Very sly. He had the “bloodline” test for determining whether the Han Chinese may stay in his theoretical East Turkmenistan , but as to the Mongrel residency question he deferred his answer to a theoretical East Turkmenistan government.

[@Historicly]

Wait is it possible that his relative blocked him because they don't like him??

[@carlzha]

lol, probably

[@Nomad_786]

@@carlzha or maybe his relative was forced by the CCP

[@lovinenglanduk]

This kind of conversation is needed. Well done both the interviewer and interviewee.

[@jy3ster]

lol this aged poorly. In 2023 close to 300 million people visited Xinjiang and no one saw the crap this guy was talking about. There’s an airport in Xinjiang and high speed rail connected to Xinjiang, I recommend people visit Xinjiang and see for themselves instead of listening to western funded lies. This Muslim guy has lost every credit

[@ayohilary7744]

What an awful situation…IF IT WERE TRUE!!! This young man’s story just doesn’t add up!! He’s either brainwashed, loony or a grifter.

[@glengrant3884]

Probably all three!🤪🤑🤮💩

[@ddtking7630]

Arseland has his head in you know where hence he’s forever in the dark about the real world

[@austinsun3645]

Universal value is freedom of religion but no freedom to practice terrorism in the disguise of religion.