In The Mind Of A Villain: The Governor from The Walking Dead

[@tenthshadowstep]

The Governor killed the National guard because they posed a threat to his authority, if they came to Woodbury people may look to them as leaders being trained soldiers

[@drachenrecke5090]

Also, it is unlikely that soldiers from the national guard are going to accept the governor, a civilian as their authority to respond to.

[@jaredwilliams2357]

@@drachenrecke5090I mean technically the military follows civilian authority and it’s implied in the show that he was Woodbury’s mayor before the outbreak so technically they would have had to follow his orders but given it’s such a small scale anything could have happened at that point

[@armorofgod1430]

@@jaredwilliams2357 So full of it

[@jaredwilliams2357]

@@armorofgod1430 What’s that?

[@armorofgod1430]

@@jaredwilliams2357 There is no way under their current situation that military would follow the leader of 83 people in a small encampment. You're just trying to sound smart.

[@sealake7935]

The Governor showed us that humans were more dangerous than any walker could ever be

[@MM-dm4xj]

Obviously. Lets pretend that walkers are actually a thing in the real world, do you think they could cause the fall of civiliization? No, because walkers or zombies lack the one thing that makes humans dangerous: Intelligence. They are walking automatons. Hell, even tigers and bears are more dangerous since they are at least fast and physically strong. Walkers are neither. Complete bullshit that the walkers from TWD could cause all of this. Now the zombies in 28 days later are another matter...

[@robertpatter5509]

Who is more dead? Zombies or the people? One is physically dead. The other, an inner dead.

[@andreimaxwell4455]

The virus straight up lobotomies the human brain, rendering it 99% useless, you'd think if a virus wants to spread it wouldn't limit the human brain so much

[@KTRomero-lb2wp]

Human beings are the smartest mammals to ever walk gods green earth, nobody has ever done what we done whether it’s good or bad. Human beings may have caused destruction, but everybody would rather be a human than another species

[@damianstarks3338]

This guy is one of the most iconic villains in walking dead.

[@WolfyTheIn-between]

For sure, I like him far more than Negan honestly

[@madmonty4761]

​@@johndoe-jh8qvyou wish buddy

[@madmonty4761]

@@johndoe-jh8qv he is still alive

[@weshouser821]

Actually, I got interested in the show because I was curious about what his deal was, and I got bored with the show soon after he died. I think he was the most compelling villain and really could have easily turned into a sort of "break out character" if he survived and didn't try to immediately hit the prison again. Like if he just kept wandering alone, and just popped up in the story every now and then.

[@Lynx_550]

Negan is literally carrying the show

[@YT-Trenton]

The Gov was the best villain in the TWD universe, in my opinion. Negan was a close 2nd. The Gov was Negan + full-blown-psychopath. The Gov's attitude was 'if I'm not the captain of this ship, then I will sink this ship'. The most powerful scene is when he destroyed Woodbury. I think it takes another level of evil to commit genocide on your own community that you built. Not Negan, not Alpha would stoop that low. As Carl & Rick pointed out, they believed that it was possible for anyone to change, no matter how dark of a path the person was on. The Gov was an exception. He was too far gone.

[@ColtraneAndRain]

Sounds familiar, like an ex leader America had😅

[@jerryseinfeld974]

Best walking dead villian ever

[@Mara-d2x]

David Morrisey's talent made a comic book villain into a real person. I enjoyed this.

[@jusma21]

And made it way better imo

[@billnyethatrandomguy1744]

Love how you Address Carl as Coral

[@inthemindofavillain]

Lol I got that from the honest trailers video for seasons 4 to 6

[@funkyrumble0455]

David Morrisey deserves so much more recognition for his acting. This dude made me feel so many emotions while watching this show

[@TheBob1901]

Laurie Holden (who played Andrea) publicly stated that she thought the Season 3 storyline about a romance between the Governor and Andrea was, in her words, "complete and utter nonsense."

[@okipullup8428]

in which it was, and it made me hate andrea even more 😂

[@jaredwilliams2357]

@@okipullup8428still she had a perfect opportunity to kill the governor and she wasted it

[@inwit594]

@@jaredwilliams2357 She was being naive thinking that peace was still possible. And she was ignorant of the depth of the Governors malice.

[@MistahJay7]

The Governor actually did try and run away with his new found family. But then they ran into some weird looking Walker mud wall lol I don't get why they just didn't find another route but yea he did try but it's almost like faith wanted him to take up the leadership position again. Also Ricks speech about living together with the Governor was just another one of Ricks manipulation tactics like he did with Shane and how does with Negan. He most likely would have killed him anyways but the Governor saw right through Rick and called him out hence "Liar". Can't manipulate the master manipulator

[@michaelwilliams8144]

Very underrated comment

[@_jay_6132]

Holy shit I never thought of it like that

[@benno._.72]

"Jesse what the fuck are you talking about..?"

[@gagetaylor192]

I think Rick genuinely wanted to try with the governor. This was a point in Rick's arc where he was trying to do things the right way under Hershel's guidance. The governor was just too far gone to cooperate with reasonable people. Shane and Negan are 2 very different examples under very different circumstances. With Shane it was doing what he had to do. Shane led him out to kill him and Shane was a threat to everybody. Rick tried and tried to reason with him and he let it go as far as it could've. Now fast forward with Negan. This is definitely Rick's lowest point as a character and is only being driven by pure anger. And it didn't help that at the time his best moral compass, Morgan, had also relapsed into his darker side. It was at the very moment that Rick cut Negan's throat that he realized he didn't have to do that. And Carl's final wishes were ringing in his head and he remembered what was important. People say that the terminus people or the claimers were the turning point for Rick but it all started with the governor. He tried reasoning with an unstable and unreasonable person and had to watch Hershel die and lose their home because of it.

[@gyr0zeppeliii507]

You def didn’t understand ricks speech if you thought that was a manipulation tactic by him, the episode title is too far gone to signify that while you(Rick) can try you best to be better and do better some people( the governor) are too far gone Plus the whole attack on the prison wasn’t to actually take and live in the prison all the governor really wanted was revenge that’s why he shot it with a tank. It wouldn’t make much sense to shoot and blow up the house you want to live in

[@charliechuckles2195]

Wonder what would have been if the National Guard unit found Rick's group at the prison first.

[@sulturwood3226]

Probably woulda joined them, maybe Michonne and Andrea woulda followed them to the prison

[@promnightdumpsterbaby9553]

He'd probably turn them away...

[@SamuelCaramell]

Probably Rick would accept them but something would snap in the guards and think "hey we dont have any generals or commanders now why don't we take this prison to ourselves" and baaam new thread to the Rick group

[@Submissive-Soul]

all dead by the end of the series

[@azoniarnl3362]

The Governor was crazy in the head but his way of ruling was far more effective then Negans, people loved him...until he went crazy ofcourse.

[@dimitrescu182]

I actually think Negan's is more effective, he was able to rule a community that has roughly around 200 members and he actually keeps his word, unlike the Governor who massacred his own people.

[@azoniarnl3362]

@@dimitrescu182 Ruling with fear is always a short term thing, at some point the resentment will overrule the fear and you get rebellion, wich is what we see happening with Negan and what we also see happening throughout history.

[@dimitrescu182]

@john doe I was saying that Negan is a more effective leader than the Governor. Negan is also at least more honest than the Governor.

[@childeaterieatkidz4208]

​@azoniarnl3362 negan was by far more effective than the governor cause he wasn't insane he didn't constantly lie to his people negan bullied people yes but the governor was always one step away from shooting up the entire room he could never stay calm and actually think for a minute negan was by far more intelligent and effective because of how calm he was in comparison to the governor.

[@marcushennings9513]

I agree with the governor's stance of newcomers coming and going. This is the apocalypse do they need to run to the mall? No, in fact they could be captured by a rival group and they give up all of the important information, opsec about Woodbury. Their unrestricted movements would have to be earned in time in that situation

[@anthonyspitery6332]

The Governor believes the only way to live is by killing. It’s not just about preservation-its what makes him FEEL alive. He called Rick a liar because Rick actually was one…the way he killed Shane and the Saviors in season 8 giving them “his word” proved his dark side. When the gov was out with Martinez and the bois in season 4 he came across a few corpses with their heads cut off. One said “Rapist” and the other said “Liar” I think its why he got the inspiration from a fellow killer who collects heads like himself that reinstated his belief and thats why he killed Hershel

[@Supraman145]

Well in fairness he gave "his word" to the savior behind the tree but Daryl was the one to pull the trigger. But besides that instance you are correct

[@anthonyspitery6332]

@@Supraman145 I think the coldest thing he ever did was repeatedly give his firearm to Shane as a gesture of complete loyalty, brotherhood and trust. They probably exchanged firearms all the time on the force together as Sheriffs so to do that to him again right after the scrap with Randall in the parking lot and again right before he stabs him in the field was just cold af. Rick's stength in his forced moment for survival is using his honest intentions with deceit. It's also how he bit Joe's throat out, or slashed Neagan's throat. Very dark quality Rick has that really is not talked about much imo

[@ElleSimon-wi1cm]

The Gov was the best "villain" because David Morrisey gave him some nuance and made him a real person, unlike Negan who was merely a smirking evil cartoon character who was stupid enough to throw a doctor into a furnace.

[@angermacfadden2702]

A real badass villain. I miss the governor.

[@wkatc007]

How's this guy has not been a villain in one of the DC or MCU films is beyond me!

[@thebullseye8524]

😂

[@breakingdead9714]

Screw all these other spin offs, we need a 10 episode mini series of The Governor, they could take some of the source material from The Rise Of The Governor novels and remix them to fit in the spin off.

[@grumpygovernor]

I would love something like that

[@jaymilo8425]

Put simply the governor got power liked that power and did whatever he felt necessary to keep that power or get that power back in the end. He also was partially insane with revenge and rage and seemed ro enjoy killing whether it was people or walkers

[@promnightdumpsterbaby9553]

Like every politician,king,warlord,or manager ever.

[@MistahJay7]

Governor is my favorite villain in TWD and holy thank you for showing me what the book meant with the list of names. For the longest damn time I never fully understand what all the other names were and alot of people had some wild speculations about them that never added up. Finally I know and it makes perfect sense

[@trentmehan3243]

It's crazy how I just watched the governor die on the show and now this is posted

[@robertchapman7451]

Love how he went simple he built rome wall, give them bread and games, . It was a simple yet smart way to go.

[@RaymondKarlVeasey75]

Rick Grimes Is My Favorite Character In The Show, But The Governor's Story Arc In The Show Are My Favorite Seasons Of The Show.

[@mojothehelpermonkey1176]

I’m surprised I don’t see more people saying you need to read rise of the governor to truly understand how psychotic he is.

[@DutchGotAPlan]

Because comic Governor and series Governor are different. In the comics he is much more nefarious and irredeemable whilst in the show he is hinted at being a relatively normal man before the apocalypse

[@lunarlightasmr4660]

@@DutchGotAPlantrue, in the show he’s seen as a somewhat reasonable man that’s just… gone down the hill. Comic governor (who is the version in Rise of the governor) is quite literally a psychopath who’s basically just a flat out serial killer that got power.

[@o.m.c_offmychest2375]

Rise of the governor explains why he didn't want anymore national guard around

[@grumpygovernor]

I read all novels, he wasn't a psychopath either to begin with, yet he did seem more psychotic in the comics later on. It is still VERY good to read and HIGHLY recommend it. Such a shame it isn't very known by many. I hate when I talk about the novels, people think I mean the comics, WHO EVEN CALLS THE COMICS AS "NOVELS"?

[@rickpowers3677]

I always wondered if it was Joe and The Claimers that killed those people in the camp in season 4.

[@Sybrakos1]

Yes.

[@jamesroper4952]

There's a third option that I think the Governor considered, and then immediately rejected. One I think Rick might've done the opposite. Let the soldiers know that you saved one of their men, and then invite them. Having well trained soldiers, their weapons, vehicles and supplies to add to your resources could be a benefit. You got more people protecting the community, and better equipment to keep people safe, and to use for gathering supplies. Could even expand the community's borders. I think the Governor simply wanted to keep the status quo the it was. He didn't want to share power, he liked being seen as king. The reason why he wanted Rick and his group dead, was because what they did. Was an insult to his ego, his position of power. He said it to Rick's face, that keeping them around after rescuing Glenn and Maggie, after the shootout at Woodbury. Made him look weak to the people of Woodbury.

[@SCH292]

Yeah. Lol. Don't forget how Governor's people ran like cockroaches when they all got their ass flashed by flash nades. They came in with 50 cal MG, Army trucks and Grenade launchers. Shooting all over the prison. Rick's group lure them into a dark hallway, toss a few flash nades, turn on the prison siren, they ran and the group rapidly shot at them while they flee.

[@jamesroper4952]

@@SCH292 The governor's chances of taking over the prison. Would've been better if he had allowed those soldiers to join his community. A small team of highly trained soldiers, with actual combat experience. Is more effective than an army of soccer moms and dads with guns.

[@mandar254]

@@jamesroper4952 but then the soldiers will take over his authority which he didn't wanted that's why he killed them , he wanted to remain the leader of the woodbury.

[@JuJoss-v9g]

Otra cosa que caracteriza al gobernador. Cuando se encuentra con el grupo de Martinez rapidamente se da cuenta de los mas fuertes y los mas debiles .Mata a martinez por el miedo de que pueda revelar su pasado y al tipo calvo del tanque lo deja vivo porque es el unico que puedo conducirlo es un super estratega .

[@TheFirstTEE1]

Rick didn't "kick" Tyrese's group out. He was seeing a phantom Lori and was telling it "No, Get out!".

[@mrjoejoecraftpl3093]

Would be fun watching Negan meet Governor

[@Shaman42069]

Very interesting video, haven't really thought about the walking dead in years, let alone the governor. Thanks for reminding me how good the show was, sub earned!

[@WickerSticksSinema]

David Morrissey would make an amazing Harvey Dent

[@skoomagohard2789]

such a good analysis, well done very entertaining

[@jasonadersonwedion9874]

Best walking dead villain

[@chanelhenderson8460]

Best Villian honestly

[@Spamton158]

Great job on the new video

[@Freelancer.Warzone]

and as a fun quick note for everyone: he is to this day the only one who beat Rick in a one on one, even though Rick ambushed him lmao He is an iconic villain not only in TWD, but in TV history as a whole, David Morrisey was killing it (both in terms of performance and.. you get the joke)

[@johnnyblaze8439]

Very well done, my good sir

[@GiGgItY_GloOp]

The governor like 90% of the villains is just cataclysmic damage of the infection

[@pinehawk9600]

Loved the Governor

[@sylvanbowyer341]

You called him Coral too lol

[@inthemindofavillain]

Always Coral

[@zanekersting9809]

18:30 is why ty got bit, the gov was in that episode too

[@jorgebersabe293]

The Governor is basically a Rick who took the "This is not a democracy anymore" way too far.

[@darthtrudeau4907]

I always thought Carl was justified in shooting the kid with the shotgun. The kid was advancing on him with the gun still in his hands after he was told to drop it, he was gonna try and pull some shady shit. If he wasn't he would have dropped the shotgun immediately and put his hands on his head.

[@Chips-Ahoy]

You forgot about his show related books where it is alludes to the governor kills the vatos gang

[@Cosmicshambler]

What are you trying to say amid the stroke you had writing this?

[@john-conner410]

Great video the governor is the most evil villain in the walking dead

[@WolfyTheIn-between]

Idk lol, all of Terminus was pretty friggin evil xD eating kids...no thanks

[@kaiyacoxon5360]

​@john doe Shane aswell

[@azoniarnl3362]

@john doe Lol Shane more evil then Negan?? Negan is a piece of crap, look at the shit he pulled on innocent people.

[@THEKINGPINOFZ]

​@@kaiyacoxon5360shane was not evil Lol💀He was just selfish.

[@brandonbryant1189]

best villain

[@angus_ismyname3424]

Young CORAL

[@dimitrescu182]

I would like to see you do one for Negan and Alpha.

[@Twd_PR]

Me gusta mucho su desarrollo, es alguien que tiene la habilidad de engañar y liderar y construyo una comunidad medianamente prospera en el apocalipsis lo cual ya dice mucho pero lamentablemente no sabe controlar sus emociones es muy impulsivo y eso fue lo que lo llevo a su muerte

[@ghostwriter1440]

Out of the walking dead rogues gallery I’m familiar with the governor reminded the most of the cliche moustache twirling , eye patch wearing Bond villain type

[@asimplewizard]

Sort of, but it's just a mask. He's not actually a genius, just genuinely psychotic and spends 2 seasons getting progressively more deranged.

[@BoTheJo]

I found your channel not to long ago. Loving the videos

[@LightninLewis]

He made a deal with the devil after he failed to protect his daughter when he was a moral man and he lost himself, he tried to come back to who he once was when he found the Chamblers but his world didn't allow him to come back and when he was given another chance by Rick at the prison, he didn't believe him as he had lost his faith in himself, in turn, he was too far gone. He is certainly what Rick and Morgan could have become, Morgan keeps Duane as a walker as a by-product of grief.

[@nicosyoutubelife8968]

Can you do Lalo Salamanca from Better Call Saul?

[@darkishere6416]

Governor is hot

[@abramsullivan7764]

Dude seriously

[@Leahh823]

Words cannot express how much I hated the governor. He was the most deceitful hypocritical villain in my opinion. He would pretend that he was completely reasonable, kind and civil but he was just a straight up lying savage.

[@601marcusable]

The governor was ordinary guy with a family but when the zombie outbreak came his mindset changed everything in his life changed and he has to lead a town figure out things from day to the next and another side of him is driving to madness and will kill anyone who crosses into his town

[@forestgrump4723]

After the governor arc is pretty much when twd went downhill

[@Sybrakos1]

Well, those stupid fans wanted him dead, so they got what they wanted.. David Morrissey acting was superb.

[@hellatubbies882yt]

I’ve always interpreted the/marks after his daughter. Penny was written in the diary. I kind of figured the slashes were symbolic as a meaning that he would not let anybody else in his settlement fall. I never once considered that each/could hypothetically be an individual who wants lived within Woodbury if that is the case there were a fuck load pardon my French. Edit: wow just a few seconds after I paused and left my comment. I saw that you said that each/could also be symbolic of the fact that he has had to kill people to keep the people within town alive damn if that is the case. He’s also killed a lot of people nearly countless unless we were to freeze frame every page of the book.

[@jamesdeek7039]

The national guard would have used their authority to take over woodbury but it might not have gone bad, he still had more armed men

[@augustus7975]

Yes!!! This is fucking badass!! 💀

[@WolfyTheIn-between]

It'd be interesting to hear your take on the Governor from the book/comic. He is a head trip lol Though I like him far better in the show. Especially not being a full blown r@pist in the show, so gross it was a good decision.

[@WolfyTheIn-between]

I'd like to add though, Rick was going to take in Tyreese but then had a hallucination and freaked out

[@leanio8740]

Honestly the governor from the comics was meant to be a purely malicious individual. I think Kirkman wanted to show that humans are worse than walkers and he did that in the most effective way possible

[@t.o.toonstubetwo.4138]

Can you talk about Drayton Sawyer from the first two Texas chainsaw massacre movies?

[@t.o.toonstubetwo.4138]

Can you do the shredder from the first two live action Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles movies

[@Hun.1236]

Do the Grave Digger, Howard Epps, Gormagon or any of the serial killers from Bones Tv show

[@wallacelane4193]

Do the villain from the good son he's evil very evil same Actor who played Kevin from home alone.

[@ricojimenez3599]

Rick didn't turn tryeese away cause of resources he was having a episode n they ran off cause he was trippen

[@jacklucas9565]

Great video id like to see one on humpty dumpty from puss in boots or belos from the owl house

[@t.o.toonstubetwo.4138]

Those two are great villains

[@jacklucas9565]

@@t.o.toonstubetwo.4138 Exactly my point

[@t.o.toonstubetwo.4138]

@@jacklucas9565 I actually suggest Belos a few times, I think he’s one of the Disney’s most clever villain.

[@t.o.toonstubetwo.4138]

Can you do Captain Hook from Peter Pan?

[@chaoticfangurl567]

To me he's a better written villain than negan. The governor was truly unpredictable whereas negan became underwhelming after a while

[@crystalshaw8744]

" Married to a wife" 😂😂😂

[@Cosmicshambler]

You can be married to a husband too

[@preppertrucker5736]

Young Coral, I get it 😂

[@gabrielhall9099]

Can you do the main villain of John Wick 1??

[@thortun]

gov's back story is kinda like heisenberg they both has boring unsatisfied job and cancer(zombie outbreak) kick in and exciting things happen

[@jusma21]

I wouldn’t really say their backstories are anything alike

[@andrewkomaniecki480]

the governor said "liar" when rick proposed a peace treaty. I think the Governor just didn't trust rick. I don't think he's completely evil, he was just misguided. He could have redeemed himself like negan did

[@theantone7476]

The greatest villain and character in both versions of TWD. He's better than Negan and would easily crush him. The Governor did nothing wrong

[@dragonballradiant2744]

In the mind of a villain beta from The Walking Dead. The Croad would also be interesting..

[@hey_its_kev]

Honestly the governor could’ve held onto the old style of life and let the people of his town live that kind of lifestyle had he brought back those army guys to Woodbury….. they could’ve been the guys that go out and scavenge and do the fighting while the untrained people can stay back home and keep the normal lifestyle…. By killing the army guys he now has to train his own citizens to be killers and soldiers…..

[@DutchGotAPlan]

And then there's also the chance that they would have tried to wrestle that power out of his hands and took over the community, he wasn't taking chances

[@joe3433]

We need negan next but only season 7 & 8

[@ashleyburchettajleefanlove4683]

Can you do Dan Scott from One tree hill

[@classclownfigurereview8353]

Please do more walking dead

[@garvincrosby4349]

He should have let them in and maybe Rick's group wouldn't have had a chance or maybe they would have turned on him and helped Rick's group. Maybe Rick's group would have been better with them. Either way I suppose the threat was real.

[@NovaXII]

Y'know it allways triggered me when the people of woodbury referred to the walkers as "Biters" i know thats technically what they are but it just sounds so lame in comparison.

[@knuckledragonfly]

Coral ?

[@TimeisReel]

Might be an A.I. Voice...

[@dragonballradiant2744]

What I would like to see if you have any free time. In the mind of a villain, alpha The Walking Dead. In the mind of a villain.. troy fear The Walking Dead. After the final season is over. In the mind of a villain. The Croat, The Walking Dead: dead city. In the mind of a villain.Madame Genet. The Walking Dead, Daryl Dixon.

[@LelifterLeo]

What?😂 Rick turned away Tyrese cuz he was going crazy😭

[@juniorlee7084]

Can u do Damon Salvatore from the vampire diaries next

[@crdude806]

back when the show was amazing..after shane was killed an the govenor...who has a TANK in the zombie apoc...crazy..show went to shittt

[@brandeno919]

The villians in walking dead or only villains cus we see it through Rick eyes cus most of us would turn to his enemies if we were in the end of the world

[@neen2660]

I’m irrationally opposed to him as a compelling character. Unsure why. Ever since I was a kid at like 10 he’s why I stopped watching for almost a decade lol. He’s a good actor but I find it hard to focus on even in a rewatch. Definitely a hot take that probably is only based in annoyance from childhood.

[@inthemindofavillain]

Not sure if it’s just me but he kinda reminds me of Liam Neeson.

[@neen2660]

@@inthemindofavillain omfao i agree

[@angermacfadden2702]

I think it could be the bad l story writing perhaps? A good character used poorly?

[@gagetaylor192]

@@angermacfadden2702 The governor arc is one of the best points of the entire show and the governor is widely agreed upon as the best villain in the show. Try again.

[@angermacfadden2702]

@@gagetaylor192 Idk that character was fine but stuff like Andrea's death? Nice pedicure there in that scene lel.

[@HeatherHolt]

He’s my favorite villain from Walking Dead but I stopped watching after Carl was killed off just when he was getting cool. But the Governor was a great baddie.

[@t.o.toonstubetwo.4138]

Can you please talk about Jedediah Sawyer if you want to know which movies he’s from watch “Leatherface” (2017), “The Texas chainsaw massacre” (1974) and “Texas chainsaw 3-D” (2013) in that order

[@VirgilSonofSparda]

You can’t spell goat without governort

[@benbochanski9492]

do negan!

[@spawnofragnarok9267]

Please do the video on Ares from God of war

[@gaylestegall7239]

I will always hate the governor because he killed Herschel. That was the most villainous thing he could do.

[@SeFu2006]

The Governor was the worst one

[@sashamonique3922]

7:00-7:35 😮

[@bigwig3595]

@3:44 young 'Coral'

[@SamStuffz]

Is this ai?

[@inthemindofavillain]

Nope

[@SamStuffz]

@ its getting hard to tell these days my bad

[@promnightdumpsterbaby9553]

Villain? I think you meant Hero.

[@devriestown]

He was horrny