Intro to the Ancient Greek Dialects

[@polyMATHY_Luke]

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[@seanharrison2729]

Nambu chamnes.

[@kanenas6287]

_MAKEDONÍA_ ist Hellenic - and will *always* be!

[@vysheslavuzumati1269]

Imagine having Luke as a language partner or a history teacher, that would be so cool, guy just oozes passion for what he does.

[@polyMATHY_Luke]

That’s very nice of you to say. There are many better teachers of all these languages; I’m just a KZbinr.

[@devinodonnell]

@@polyMATHY_Luke There's nothing saying that being one precludes the other. 🤷

[@C_B_Hubbs]

Luke is an edutainer. I found this video in particular equally informative and hilarious. 😂

[@Panda-jl7ch]

Fun fact, he was my coteacher for 2 months while he was dating my latin teacher

[@ancientlanguageinstitute]

Indeed! Think about how we feel :)

[@user-zf6to6fq1s]

Χαιρετισμούς και πάλι απο την Ελλάδα , και Εφόσον γνωρίζεις Ελληνικά αγαπητέ "Πολυμαθή" , σε προσκαλώ να έρθεις στην Βεργίνα που βρίσκεται στην γεωγραφική Μακεδονία ( Real ) - αν δεν έχεις έρθη - και βλέποντας τους βασιλικούς τάφους , να δείς με τα μάτια σου ποιοί πραγματικά είναι οι Μακεδόνες . Προσωπικά δεν είμαι Μακεδόνας στην καταγωγή αν και γεννήθηκα σε αυτήν την περιοχή . Είχα την ευκαιρία να δώ στην ύπαιθρό μας με τα μάτια μου πολλούς αρχαίους τάφους , και αρχαία , και όλα παραπέμπουν στην αρχαία Ελλάδα και την Ρώμη . Ακόμη και στα Ρωμαϊκά τείχη της Θεσσαλονίκης υπάρχουν αρχαίες επιγραφές στα Ελληνικά ! Και φυσικά αυτός είναι ο λόγος που "βγαίνουμε απο τα ρούχα μας" όταν ακούμε κυριολεκτικά διάφορες ανοησίες απο πολλούς Δυτικοευρωπαίους που στην πραγματικότητα αυτοεξευτελίζονται δεχόμενοι το ψέμα σαν ιστορική αλήθεια για την εξυπηρέτηση των δικών τους συμφερόντων . Και 2 τελευταία πράγματα : Τα νέα Ελληνικά , έχουν σχέση με τα αρχαία απλώς είναι πολύ πιό απλοποιημένα ως γλώσσα του λαού , και 2ον δεν είμαστε απλά Έλληνες αλλά Ελληνορωμαίοι - αυτός είναι ο σωστός όρος .

[@iberius9937]

You manage to make a scholarly subject most would find dry and boring (not me, though) and make it fun, accessible and hilarious for everyone. I too cannot wait to explore the richness of Ancient Greek dialectology with you! Χάριτάς σόι πολλά!

[@polyMATHY_Luke]

Thanks, man! I’m glad you liked my silly interpretation

[@13tuyuti]

I'd say it's the other way around. Scholars have managed to make an absolutely fascinating topic seem dry and boring.

[@crit7581]

Είμαι ειλικρινά εντυπωσιασμένη από την όλη σου προσπάθεια! Πραγματικά, δεν έχω λόγια! Congratulazioni!!

[@polyMATHY_Luke]

Ευχαριστώ πολύ!

[@crit7581]

@@polyMATHY_Luke όμως αν μου επιτρέπεις, υπάρχει κάτι στην προφορά των δίφθογγων που με "ξενίζει"... Αφήνοντας κενό ανάμεσα στα διφθογγα φωνήεντα δημιουργείται ακουστικά μια επιπλέον συλλαβή. Νομίζω ότι ο ήχος παραδείγματος χάριν του " οι =ο•ι" θα πρέπει να είναι πιο συντετμημένος.

[@Phaedon53]

And this: Secondary sources have informed us that a comedy, “Macedonians,” written by Strattis circa 410 BC contained a piece of conversation between an Attican and a Macedonian, each speaking in his own dialect. From the few saved words and other lexical evidence, Hoffman and Ahrenshad identified the Macedonian speech as Aeolic, similar to Thessalian and Lesbian. Romiopoulou (1980) thought that Doric might have been a second dialect in pre-Hellenistic Macedon in addition to a Macedonian dialect. The lead scroll known as the Pella katadesmos, dating to first half of the 4th century BC,which was found in Pella (at the time the capital of Macedon) in 1986, and published in the Hellenic Dialectology Journal in 1993, changed this view. Based on this scroll, Olivier Masson expressed his opinion in the Oxford Classical Dictionary that the Macedonian dialect was one of the northwestern dialects, an opinion that is echoed by Emmanuel Voutyras (cf. the Bulletin Epigraphique in Revue des Etudes Grecques 1994, no. 413). Brixhe and Panayotou (1994: 209) agree, although they have not ascertained whether it was the dialect of the whole kingdom. James L. O'Neil (2005) categorized the dialect as 4th century BC Northwestern, whereas Prof. Edmonds of Bryn Mawr College suggests a 3rd century BC date. On the historical side, Hammond has expressed the view that Upper Macedonians, being Molossian (Epirotan) tribes, spoke a northwestern dialect while Lower Macedonians spoke Aeolic. He based his opinion on archeological and literary evidence of ancient sources referring to Hellenic migrations before and after the Trojan War. Heurtley (BSA 28 (1926), 159-194), also basing his theory on archeological evidence, cites the specific migration of the Macedonians through the Pindus mountain range to Pieria as ending by the mid-11th century BC. Katadesmos proves to be a challenge due to the deteriorated condition of the scroll, the vocabulary, grammar, and syntax of its dialectal form, as well as the location in which it was discovered. Nevertheless, the fourth century BC spell written in a Northwest Hellenic dialect reinforces Livius' statement in the History of Rome that “Aetolians, Acarnanians and Macedonians [were] men of the same speech.” In this paper, I will appraise the scroll, analyze the script from a linguistic standpoint, and compare and contrast it with other Hellenic dialects, while stressing the significance of the Dorian migrations in the Hellenic dialectology. Markus Templar

[@Αναστάσιος-σ8υ]

Luca Ranieri non sa queste cose, propabilmente crede che i veri Macedoni sono Slavi.

[@Phaedon53]

@@Αναστάσιος-σ8υ Translation?

[@Αναστάσιος-σ8υ]

@@Phaedon53 Luca Ranieri doesn't know these things, propably believes that the Macedonians are Slavs

[@Phaedon53]

@@Αναστάσιος-σ8υ I am sure he is aware of the Latin sources: “For if all the wars which we have carried on against the Greeks are to be despised, then let the triumph of Marcus Curius over king Pyrrhus be derided; and that of Titus Flamininus over Philip; and that of Marcus Fulvius over the Aetolians; and that of Lucius Paullus over king Perses; and that of Quintus Metellus over the false Philip; and that of Lucius Mummius over the Corinthians. But, if all these wars were of the greatest importance, and if our victories in them were most acceptable, then why are the Asiatic nations and that Asiatic enemy despised by you? But, from our records of ancient deeds; I see that the Roman people carried on a most important war with Antiochus; the conqueror in which war, Lucius Scipio, who had already gained great glory when acting in conjunction with his brother Publius, assumed the same honour himself by taking a surname from Asia, as his brother did, who, having subdued Africa, paraded his conquest by the assumption of the name of Africanus. [32] And in that war the renown of your ancestor Marcus Cato was very conspicuous; but he, if he was, as I make no doubt that he was, a man of the same character as I see that you are, would never have gone to that war, if he had thought that it was only going to be a war against women. Nor would the senate have prevailed on Publius Africanus to go as lieutenant to his brother, when he himself; a little while before, having forced Hannibal out of Italy, having driven him out of Africa, and having crushed the power of Carthage, had delivered the republic from the greatest dangers, if that war had not been considered an important and formidable war.” [Orations of Cicero]

[@Phaedon53]

@@Αναστάσιος-σ8υ Caranus also came to Emathia with a large band of Greeks, being instructed by an oracle to seek a home in Macedonia. Hero, following a herd of goats running from a downpour, he seized the city of Edessa, the inhabitants being taken unawares because of heavy rain and dense fog. Remembering the oracle’s command to follow the lead of goats in his quest for ar empire, Caranus established the city as his capital, and thereafter he made it a solemn observance, wheresoever he took his army, to keep those same goats before his standards in order in have as leaders in his exploits the animals which he had had with him to found the kingdom. He gave the city of Edessa the name Aegaeae and its people the name Aegeads in memory of this service M.Justinus’ epitome of Pompeius Trogus’ Universal History 7.1

[@investmentgammler4550]

Can't wait for the 20 hours video about all the Greek dialects in detail :-)

[@FIRE-zt6vw]

How dare you. 20h video is a waaaaaaay to short video. You should know that this means war

[@nikim5051]

Visit Greece today and you will find different dialects and accents still in place in different regions Some of The Agean islands, Crete along with Cyprus are the hardest to understand.

[@nikitasmarkantes5046]

Respect from greece. Εξαιρετική η δουλειά σου.

[@ruthless5207]

Φανταστικό βίντεο!! Σου στέλνουμε πολλή αγάπη από την Ελλάδα 🇬🇷🤍

[@polyMATHY_Luke]

Ευχαριστώ!

[@Phaedon53]

Κι ας "ξέχασε" τα αρχαία Μακεδονικά , εμείς τον αγαπάμε.

[@ellinmakedon1216]

Το φανταστικό που το είδες;;; Η Μακεδονία που είναι με τη δωρική διάλεκτο;;;;;οι γιαγιάδες μου ακόμα λένε παγαίνω αντί πηγαίνω ή δα αντί θα και πολλά άλλα.

[@ellinmakedon1216]

​@@Phaedon53 είναι απαράδεκτο αυτό που κάνει με την Μακεδονία.

[@KaterinaStamatelos]

@@ellinmakedon1216 Την Μακεδονία φροντίζουν να την "ξεχνάνε" πολλοί δήθεν φίλοι μας! Πονεμένη ιστορία...

[@damouze]

My first Latin teacher used to say (maybe he still does, I don't know ;-)): "Trying to figure out how all Greek dialects fit together is trying to solve a million pieces jig-saw puzzle. It will take you forever and you're bound to fit some pieces that fit together multiple ways."

[@the_miracle_aligner]

Heya Luke, Great video as always, really enjoy and love the way you present it all. And that epic mustache is just the cherry on the top XD

[@polyMATHY_Luke]

Hey thanks man! Great to hear from you. I’m glad if you like my silly content.

[@twopoles11]

I got so hyped when I saw this video. As a Latinist with no ability in Greek but a profound love for it nonetheless, I can't wait to dive into this video!

[@polyMATHY_Luke]

Enjoy!

[@francisdec1615]

I just wish I were younger. I'm 52. I will probably never be able to learn Latin thoroughly (my Latin is still very basic) *and* Greek as well, especially not all the different dialects😔

[@redplanet7163]

I read the title and thought how tf is he going to do this? Then I got a lesson on how reconstructing all these ancient dialects is basically impossible - as I initially thought. Then the video blossomed into the most magnificent explanation of Greek dialects and their distribution that I have ever heard. Superb work. Thank you.

[@polyMATHY_Luke]

Haha thanks, Red! Glad you liked it. If it’s magnificent, it’s in demonstrating my frustration with the terminology and lack of clarity inherent in the subject.

[@go-alexandra]

Luke, your ancient and modern Greek pronunciation is quite impressive! I’m Greek and I can’t pronounce Ancient Greek as well as you. Congrats!

[@demetriusstiakkogiannakes1326]

Nice video as always Luke! I would really like to see a part 2 of this video, or perhaps another video about Mycenean and Macedonian.

[@polyMATHY_Luke]

You’ll get it!

[@lyrisias]

Great video!!! I guess the reason that Greeks have so many dialects is because the words are long and you can understand them even if you change some syllabes. Like θάλασσα and θάλαττα. Φυλάσσω, φυλάττω... They just change the 'σ' on suffix to sound more fluid. It's not so weird... We do stuff like that even today. You might hear πλερώνω instead of πληρώνω or κάμω instead of κάνω in Northen Greece - Εγώ πλερώνω και κάμω ότι θέλω | Εγώ πληρώνω και κάνω ότι θέλω You might hear Λάρσα instead of Λάρισα in Central Greece - Λάρσα, σ'είδα και λαχτάρσα | Λάρισα, σε είδα και λαχτάρησα If you change your mouth properly to speak the accent, the letters change automatically.

[@mariajukejax9649]

You hear a lot of variations in the Greek Cypriot dialect too. And some words are totally different. Eg the Greek word for fork (piróuni) suddenly turns into "protsa". Or instead of saying "Kano/kamo", a lot of Cypriots say "kamno".

[@InqvisitorMagnvs]

Attic-Ionic/Koine and their descendants, down to standard Modern Greek, ultimately drove almost all other dialects to extinction… But there is one endangered yet hitherto still living modern Greek variant descended instead from ancient Doric Greek, _viz._ Tsakonian («τσακώνικα»), which has a few thousand fluent speakers remaining now in Tsakonia in the eastern Peloponnese where Doric has been spoken since Classical antiquity.

[@HandofOmega]

Hey, Luke, thanks for all the efforts, fun and informative, as always! I was wondering if you're still doing the "How is the Greek/Latin" videos? There's an entire scene of "the Greek of Homer" in 3000 Years of Longing, would be cool to know how good/bad it is!

[@polyMATHY_Luke]

Thanks! I’ll check it out

[@garrettrye6951]

Luke, we would all appreciate the longer version, in more detail, or a series on the different dialects, we want MORE content, not less! Definitely don’t cut stuff out for brevity unless it’s something obvious. Just my opinion.

[@garrettrye6951]

Absolutely LOVE all of your videos by the way 💕

[@francescaemc2]

I am Italian. As a child I wondered if Alessandro Magno mangiava la macedonia. You just reminded me of that. Grazie

[@karenbaily]

There is no way a can NOT watch this video...with THAT introduction!

[@hieratics]

I really would like to hear more about Proto-Greek and Mycenean Greek :(

[@polyMATHY_Luke]

You shall!

[@oron61]

No! Not the Linear scripts! ai ca no -two-rai-te i-po-ro-pe-r e-ne-gi-li-sh i-fi yu go ba-ca too fa-r i ta-i-me

[@markomarekic5606]

Read books about this.

[@Jon.A.Scholt]

I haven't seen a Polymath video in a while and then all the sudden I see Luke with a moustache! It was quite the shock but I must say, he pulls it off well.

[@polyMATHY_Luke]

Very kind. I change my facial hair style often, so who knows what’s next

[@izlanghuge6505]

Due to the Anabasis, the difference at 9:22 is very interesting. Modern Greek speakers and those who know only Koine insist that the iconic exclamation sounded like Θαλασσα. In the original text, however, it appears as Θάλαττα. At least there is no dispute that when Antony retired from Persia and thought of the ten thousand of the Anabasis and their escape, he sighed like this: οἱ Μύριοι! Wonderful relations. Many thanks for your work polýMATHY. You are a great help to me in that my knowledge of Latin and Greek, which I have not practiced for twenty years, does not completely disappear.

[@OcarinaSapphr-]

Ohhhh - you got my hopes up! Here was me willing to settle in for the first of several Greek dialect videos...

[@polyMATHY_Luke]

I will indeed do many

[@OcarinaSapphr-]

@@polyMATHY_Luke Yay!☺

[@NovaSeven]

I just want to leave my petition for a video on Mycenaean Greek!

[@polyMATHY_Luke]

Received

[@rsfaeges5298]

Who knew you had such a sense of humor!!

[@polyMATHY_Luke]

Haha. You should this one! kzbin.info/www/bejne/jnqZZ6tml66GgJosi=tJ-K7MPnB07jCjdp

[@Cihtorg117]

Really interesting topic, thank you! would love to hear about it in more detail some day :)

[@polyMATHY_Luke]

You shall! Thanks for watching

[@savvasavraam8670]

It breaks my heart when i realize many of these dialects are close to extinction. I speak Cypriot, and i try speaking only Cypriot, without modern Greek words (demotic) as much as i can.

[@polyMATHY_Luke]

Good for you! I very much favor the continuing study and use of minority language varieties, as they teach us so much.

[@gnas1897]

I'm from Greece but live in Cyprus and honestly I feel like many of my compatriots don't appreciate the beauty of the Cypriot dialect. Though nowadays most Cypriots speak a mix of traditional Cypriot and demotic Greek.

[@mariajukejax9649]

I do that too. I live in Cyprus, my mother's family is Cypriot, everyone uses the Cypriot dialect, obviously it's what I learnt too, though my accent is still a bit dodgy lol.

[@vassilisxerikos3908]

I love all Greek dialects and not just the obvious ones like Cypriot or Cretan but including the northern variants which are rarely discussed in Greek media in non-pejorative ways. I often watch ΡΙK or Cypriot dialect videos on KZbin for that reason. Unfortunately all the dialects mentioned here have been superseded by Koine for two millennia already, contemporary Cypriot is not an arcadocypriot child but a Koine one. Tsakonian might be the only exception.

[@petera618]

I could understand this, we are having the same problem with Sicilian which is considered a language not just a dialect. With every generation it's becoming more "Italianized". Original Sicilian words and phrases are being replaced by Italian ones. I try to keep my Sicilian as pure as possible .

[@HighWideandHandsome]

Oh boy, this will be good.

[@coolandhip_7596]

I would very much like to see a video explaining the early history of the development of the dialects into this point if thats something in the works.

[@Basil_o_brouzos]

I would love to see a video all about ionian greek since am from Euboea and yes you have to pronounce it in all tree ways every time

[@polyMATHY_Luke]

Haha and so I shall!

[@joshuacantin514]

Looking forward to the video(s) where you go into the linguistic details!

[@polyMATHY_Luke]

Me too!

[@golden_smaug]

I sometimes think of ancient languages as fascinating but more in a rigid sense, like looking at a painting or a statue from different angles, yet they don't move but with this video they come to life as if some magic polymathic tablet gave it to them XD Grrrrreat video! :)

[@chloeedmund4350]

Nice video! Thanks for uploading.

[@polyMATHY_Luke]

Thanks for watching

[@goldgoldo]

Been learning ancient greek and latin for about 2 years now. I think a lot of ppl don't know that 'Istanbul' is a greek phrase which means 'through the city' or 'towards the city' , which i would prefer over a city named like a name like Constantin. Love your content, greetings from Akroinon, Turkey!

[@an_pa]

Akroinon is also a composite greek word, "akron" and "ina" which means "end of the line".

[@Agapismene]

stin poli . , to the city 🎉🎉🎉😊 Anatalya - Anatolia ( anatolika is greek for the east ) Izmir - Smyrna .

[@mikel3359]

In my opinion probably "istanbul" comes from " I conSTANntinouPOLI". Poli becomes bul. Stanpoli-stanboli-stanbul.

[@taylorswift8700]

​@@mikel3359no it comes from εις την Πόλη, it is the all phrase for you to understand .It sounds is tin poli.But even today ,we use this phrase for each town,at least in Crete where I come from.We use also instead of poli chora( χώρα,x sounds like the durch geen).Both are used when we go to the main city of the region.

[@jamesrt5352]

What a splendid moustache luke

[@IceNinja2007]

Your mustache is absolutely fantastic!

[@UnshavenStatue]

Fourier analysis is trivial once one learns a little linear algebra. It's all vector spaces, and in particular, Fourier analysis is all about angles between vectors. What's the angle between this vector and that vector? What's the angle between that vector and yonder vector? That's Fourier analysis in a nutshell (admittedly with a bit larger vector spaces than our usual 3D space with its "only" 3 directions lol)

[@Sandalwoodrk]

I feel like your energy went through the roof with this vid lol

[@tristanholderness4223]

Ancient Greek dialects are a fantastic demonstration of why the tree model of language families is insufficient, and an instance where the wave model of it as a dialect continuum can be much more helpful

[@polyMATHY_Luke]

Indeed! Though Horrocks discusses doubt for the wave model (which is traditional to ancient myth), as it’s possible the dialects became distinct after the arrival of a somewhat unified Proto-Greek. I’ll investigate

[@tristanholderness4223]

@@polyMATHY_Luke I mean the wave model in the sense of historical linguistics, not a model of waves of migration Basically you think of the space as a dialect continuum with various intersecting isoglosses which gradually expand, contract, or move around the continuum over time, leading to diversification. In this case you'd probably see dialects like Boeotian and Attic as part of a transitional fan

[@mercianthane2503]

I know reconstructing Mycenaean Greek would be complicated, but I really want to see that after looking at all the greek dialects.

[@polyMATHY_Luke]

One day

[@taimunozhan]

Listing a bunch of major isoglosses like the talassa-talatta one might actually be a more sensible way to handle this. Rather than looking at the myriad specific dialects, we'd have some variable features. Then, if we needed to describe how a given dialect worked, we'd just list on which side of each isogloss it falls.

[@flaviospadavecchia5126]

Can't wait for part two!

[@nikonantsis4701]

Luke I love you bro 😂😂😂😂, this video made my day!!!!! Can please do videos on Mycenaean Greek and the debate over the Macedonian language? My ancestors actually from both regions of Greece and I would love to learn more about these topics. Honestly you have made my day with this video 😂

[@alexandroscomingaftermonke596]

Mycenaean Greek and Macedonian Greek are both Doric. You are a 100% Dorian Greek. For example when Dorian Spartans said : Ή ΤΑΝ Ή ΕΠΙ ΤΑΣ" were comprehensible by Dorian Macedonians but not from Aeolian or Ionian Greeks who said: "Ή ΤΗΝ Ή ΕΠΙ ΤΗΣ"

[@polyMATHY_Luke]

Hey Niko, Macedonian is probably West Greek, and thus related to Doric, based on the scanty inscriptions map evidence available. Mycenaean is East Greek, before Ionic split off from it, or the common “South Greek” branch.

[@polyMATHY_Luke]

Hi Alex, Mycenaean has more in common with East Greek like Ionic. Post-Bronze-Age East Greek - namely Ionic - changes ᾱ > η; however, this is a later innovation. Thus we would expect all non-Ionic Greek to have ᾱ and not η in those positions, including pre-Ionic Mycenaean, and that’s what we see. Having ᾱ for η is *not* a determining factor as identifying something as Doric, it just makes it non-Ionic. Note that Aeolic also uses ᾱ, cf. Lesbian σελάννᾱ for Attic-Ionic σελήνη. Macedonian has extremely few inscriptions, but the ones available like the Pella curse tablet suggest a dialect of the West Greek group. Doric proper (Peloponnesian Doric) also pertains to West Greek, thus they have affinities. But in modern dialectological terms, calling Macedonian “Doric” would be like calling Portuguese “Spanish” - clearly closely related, but not the same.

[@alexandroscomingaftermonke596]

@@polyMATHY_Luke And this is how polyMATHYs teach Greek history to the Greeks. Thnx mate👍

[@hiphopandpop]

Maccedonians were Dorians (Indo European Hellenics)

[@DylanPetrohilos]

That’s one of the best episodes of voyager tho

[@brunogripp]

I like how Luke's vignette is a Eb major chord.

[@wardafournello]

Εὖγε Luke, And dialects have words of no Indoeuropean origin. Amazing Greek language ,the real Labyrinth.

[@marcusholbert2525]

I wish we could bring back a Senator from Ancient Rome to talk to Luke. It would be fun to see how close he is to the real speakers. Finding out what slang they had that we aren’t accounting for.

[@45calibermedic]

Hi Luke, all the respect in the world to your channel; it's one that I've shown to my Latin students multiple times to stimulate discussions regarding linguistics, Latin's life in the 21st century, history, and more. It's been a source of entertainment for myself outside of the classroom when I want to learn new things about Greek, Latin, and the Romance langauges. It's been an inspiration to incorporate Latin into my everyday life in pursuit of fluency and genuine expression in that beautiful language. It's been a little while since I've watched your videos. This one started off very promising, but quickly became unwatchable for me due to the amount of meme tangents and interruptions. It just kept taking me out of the mood that I associate with your channel and classical study. Is this the normal style for your videos now? I feel as if I might be out of touch and want to gain perspective. Thank you.

[@polyMATHY_Luke]

This video is a perfect representation of the inside of my head. This is how I relate to everything, and indeed many of my videos are in this style. But I use many styles, and they’re all ways that I like to convey information. My videos from the earliest have incorporated my sense of humor, such as it is. If my channel is not for you, that’s totally fine. Thanks for the views on other videos and I wish you the best.

[@jhthephd]

Wow. Great video!

[@polyMATHY_Luke]

Thanks for watching!

[@Leptospirosi]

We could well say that Doric and Western Greeks are derivations of Aeolic, since Aeolic is in the Central group with the Arcado-Cypriotic, which is the closest to ancient Mycenaean

[@Ionnes777]

loving the mustache man

[@antonisxenos1053]

A great communicator.

[@YiannissB.]

That French mustache begs for a cooking video in ancient Greek. Also .. was there some Alabama music with the Ptolemies?

[@polyMATHY_Luke]

That was the theme song to the Beverly Hillbillies: kzbin.info/www/bejne/haeoaq2AnNJrhbs

[@M.athematech]

Disturbing that it took my brain a second or more at 9:44 to realize that the picture of Homer was the wrong Homer.

[@personifiedmarvel]

It's some kind of pun because of the similarities of the names. Not sure if it's on purpose.

[@NikephorosAer54]

Χά Χά Χά I could not stop laugh and listen ! O.k. Υou are very instructive and accurate. (Carl Sagan ! a worship) A Greek friend, Dimitri.

[@truthterrain3484]

Thank you this is great. Where could I find how to pronounce Sappho?

[@isimerias]

Less to do with Greek dialects, but I’m wondering if you would make a video on the replacement of Σ with C in Greek during the Roman period. I’m fascinated by the phenomenon yet I have much difficulty finding anything written about it

[@steliopapakonstantinou674]

Ήδη από τον 3° αι. π.Χ. αρχίζει να παρατηρείται μια τάση αναγραφής μηνοειδών γραμμάτων, σε σχήμα δηλαδή μισοφέγγαρου, όπως τα Ⲉ (Ε), Ⲥ (Σ), Ⲱ (Ω), κάτι που είχε αρχίσει νωρίτερα στη γραφή των παπύρων. Η Ελληνική γραφή, Αθήνα 2002. Υπουργείο Πολιτισμού, Διεύθυνση Βυζαντινών και Μεταβυζαντινών Μνημείων. Επιγραφικό Μουσείο.

[@thelthrythquezada8397]

ooooh 7 of 9, that episode was a banger of a head spinner! (Star Trek: Voyager)

[@Phaedon53]

About ancient Macedonian : One of the best researches over the Ethnic diversity and dialects in Ptolemaic Egypt and especially in Alexandria, comes from prof. W. Clarysse. Prof. Clarysse after examining all the available evidence regarding the names of ancient Macedonians in the Alexandria of Egypt, concludes that “nearly all the names are Greek and only 3 hellenized families shows traces of foreign descent“. Furthermore, he adds “All these names have in common the feature that they are not in koine, but represent one of the “Doric” Greek dialects. As the old Greek dialects gradually disappear in Greece itself toward- the end of the Hellenistic period, it is the more interesting tο see them alive and well in the names of the most prominent families at the royal court in Alexan­dria. Dialect names were not born by peasants or common Alexandrians, but functioned as a hallmark of the highest nobility. The list of eponymous officers confirms that of the eponymous priests: Doric names were typical of some of the higher families at the royal court. It seems possible that members of these families were still speaking a Doric dialect.“[..] Professor continues: “This remind us of a famous passage where Plutarch criticises the later Ptolemies be­cause some of them had forgotten to speak Macedonian (ενίων δε και το μακεδονίζειν εκλιπόντων). Plutarchus. Vita Antonii 27.5)- This shows that at the Alexandrian court Macedonian remained spoken for a long time alongside koine Greek and was considered us a sign of aristocratic descent. Speaking only plain koine was considered a sign of degeneration! A vivid illustration of the Macedonian roots of the Ptolemies is provided by one of the poems of Poseidippos in the famous Milan papyrus, which is to be pub­lished shortly by G. Bastianini and C. Gallazzi.” The poem was no doubt meant to ac­company a statue group of Ptolemy II and his parents, perhaps in Olympia. Ptolemy ll himself speaks, proudly reminding the reader of his roots in Heordaiai’ “We are the first three and only kings who have won the Olympic chariot race, my parents and i am number one, having the same name Ptolemaios and being the son of Berenike, belonging to the race of the Heordaioi. The two others are my parents “ The most remarkable thing about this poem is its language: it is the only poem by Posidippos that is not written in the usual poetic koine. It is written in a Doric dialect…the -prestige dialect” which the Macedonian kings spoke among their peer. That the Macedonians kings claimed a relationship with the Dorians is confirmed by an inscrip­tion found in Xanthos, where the Dorieis of Central Greece, asking for financial help from the Xanthians, stress that such help would be appreciated by king Ptolemy, who is a relative of the Dorians through the line of the kings of the Argead dynasty since Herakles.”

[@pierreabbat6157]

What happened to Aeolic? The wind blew it away.

[@polyMATHY_Luke]

👏

[@personifiedmarvel]

I don't think so. It evolved. I'm not expert in the history of Greek dialects, but that's what happens generally to languages.

[@hiphopandpop]

Ionians is superior in culture in Greek world that's why maybe the unswer

[@christoskaltsas2506]

We definitely need some Epiknemidian Locrian reconstruction.

[@alexandroscomingaftermonke596]

Ευ(β)Fοια F is the ancient Euboean Greek letter Digamma (Δίγαμμα= F) which was pronounced thick B ( vvvita)

[@StergiosMekras]

Luke casually throwing shade at the Ptolemaic family shrub...

[@Reazzurro90]

Awesome video. Is there a "Latin dialects throughout the Empire" one coming at a certain point? Also, 3:24 was very brave. 😱

[@pawel198812]

Late imperial Latin had a very robust orthographic consensus/standard. Any differences in dialects would be based on extrapolations from modern descendants minus all the accumulated linguistic adstrata. In comparison, Greek was more of a dialect continuum with a few prominent literary dialects, a bit like Scandinavia or Italy before the advent of language standardization and mass media. Then there's Homeric Greek, which is Ionian mixed with Aeolic and smitherings of Arcado-Cypriotic and Achaean, all influenced by an Atticizing textual transmission, it's mess, really.

[@personifiedmarvel]

Can you explain about 3:24? Is it some kind of joke or cultural reference?

[@Reazzurro90]

​@personifiedmarvel6964 I'm not sure if you're familiar with the Macedonia-Greece controversy. There is a highly complex set of issues regarding whether the Republic of Macedonia has a right to use the name or whether it is "stealing" and indirectly making claims on the Greek region with the same name. Technically now they've compromised with the name "North Macedonia." Greeks are monolithic when it comes to the Greek nature of ancient Macedonia (side issue, but kind of related). How Greek was Alexander the Great? Was he ethnically Greek or just a Hellenophile? Which begs the question of "who" can claim him. Greeks were also upset with N Macedonia using symbols associated with Alexander the Great. So I called him brave because knowing the controversy it can arise among Greeks, saying "Macedonia had great ethnic variety" is very brave. Long-winded, but does that make sense?

[@STAMASTISTARAMAS]

that stache is glorious

[@DerMelodist]

I’m getting very strong ‘Gotcha’ vibes in this video.

[@polyMATHY_Luke]

I’m glad you noticed! It’s one level more serious I’d say

[@DerMelodist]

@@polyMATHY_LukeIt was. Your opening was most in line with that original video. As someone who’s been studying Ancient Greek for a while, the humor Is on point.

[@janhavlis]

😂 this is a didactic masterpiece, that's how you explain complex stuff 👍 honestly, i would like to have teachers like you, on the grammar school, the latin classes were booooring as heaven (sorry, declension & conjugation tables, shawms and angelic singing do not compare to imaginativness of endless torture).

[@polyMATHY_Luke]

Thanks so much, Jan! I’m really glad you liked it. I’ll try to keep up a good standard

[@batmaninc2793]

Just want to add: there really are people who will watch a 5-7 hour long-form video. Not that you probably *want* to do that, but there actually is a market for it.

[@ferrjuan]

So how did we get Byzantine Greek?

[@oron61]

I have a question or two about Homer: 1. how high was ᾱ and how low was η? Do I get to pronounce η as the æ in 'cat' and make things easier on my American tongue? 2. does the presence of metrically implied digamma (in an online segmented textbook whose name I forgot) before οι, (but apparently NOT surviving before ο, ου, ω) imply that the οι was NOT rounded, since it did not metrically eat the digamma?

[@Νορντεστινοταξιδευτής]

I feel like a time traveler in the Roman empire: native speaker of one Romance language ( Portuguese), fluent in another one( Spanish) and conversant in French, Italian and Catalan( advanced level) with a decent command of Modern Greek, Greek used to be a lingua franca in the Eastern part of the Roman Empire.

[@DimitriMichaelidis-up6sl]

And italy! Why how; all churches in the west liturgies only in greek till the 5th century AD. Rome used a greek alphabet and was a greek speaking city till then. Plus, why did the Latins revolt, and why did Rome shut down all the Latin schools as punishment to the latins? Lots of little secretes kept from us in the western(german)histories about the greatness of the greeks. There isn't one single thing in this world that the Greeks didn't touch on, not one single thing comes to us straight from the west and the fact that all thought and discoveries till this day and eternally stand on the shoulders of those great greeks, the german can't stand it! germmans have dominated the west since the 5th century AD, they even sacked Constantinople New Rome stealing everything for 60+ continuous years thereby jumpstarting the European economy. And, although having all the greek writings (sciences, arithmetic, philosophies, medicine, all the studies and theories were able to do nothing until the Greeks fleeing the moslems/turks came to Italy and the west jumpstarted the enlightenment, the Greeks eponym in the East (The Enlightened Ones)!!!!!!!

[@exodiaobliterate4010]

I asked and the legend delivered!

[@crbgo9854]

you should make a comparison video of the katharevousa greek with attic/koine greek it seems to me like it might be an easier transition into modern greek

[@MensHominis]

I was just blown away when I learned about that one _modern_ Greek dialect, nay language, Tsakonian, that isn’t derived from Koinē Greek.

[@polyMATHY_Luke]

Yes, that’s worth a video.

[@virgilflowers9846]

So I watched this video in Latin this morning when I could’ve just watched it in English? Oh well I think I’ll just watch it again…. AGGHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!

[@eptometha2043]

What are the two Greek words you say at the closing of the video? ὑγιαίνετε καὶ something? Anyway, great video! ❤

[@jasonbaker2370]

Luke is one of those rare teachers who could turn even paint drying into an interesting topic.. This, however, is a great topic and Luke's teaching style elevates it all the further. Great stuff! 👍

[@polyMATHY_Luke]

Very kind of you to say, Jason! Thanks for watching and for being a Patron.

[@sjoerdvdongen]

Paint drying is most fascinating! Look into the work of e.g. Joris Sprakel!

[@TT3TT3]

Thanks!

[@clydecessna737]

An interesting anecdote is that the lovely Anna Komnene wrote the 12th century Alexiad Ἀλεξιάδα in Attic Greek, though that dialect was by then long dead. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alexiad

[@Andrath]

Love the mustache!

[@oraetlabora1922]

Yes, Herodotus was a historian.

[@pawel198812]

Herodotus the first geographer maybe? He devotes as much time to describe the customs, living conditions etc of the peoples he talks about as much as their history

[@oraetlabora1922]

@@pawel198812 Is that not a part of history?

[@pawel198812]

@@oraetlabora1922 Yes, it is. He didn't really make a clear distinction, anyway. He is called the father of history, but might also be called the patron of geographers, travel writers, reporters. Herodotus is the intellectual ancestor of Polybius as well as Pausanias (it alliterates, therefore it must be true!)

[@akl2k7]

Then again, there's a reason he's both called the father of history and the father of lies. He wasn't the most accurate, but, hey, you got to start somewhere.

[@oraetlabora1922]

@@akl2k7 According to whom was he not the most accurate?

[@vrixphillips]

whole BOOKS are written on the subject, but if you reallllly wanna do it, that's why KZbin has playlists ;) Make it a Series! :D I'd watch it.

[@polyMATHY_Luke]

Indeed! It’s a dense subject

[@omargerardolopez3294]

Man, I strive to have a moustache as impeccable as your

[@polnocblog]

Ok, Luke, I admit that little Doric Scots~Doric Greek joke was pretty good. Pretty nerdy though, too.

[@polyMATHY_Luke]

Thanks! It’s a callback to these videos: kzbin.info/www/bejne/f6rckJiviJ5gptE kzbin.info/www/bejne/sIbPf5upbdd9lck

[@meruliuskottuphos2641]

Actualy Macedonian greek is pretty easy. You just have to put β instead of the φ. For instance to say Φιλιππος you said Βιλιππος, the verb φερω becomes βερω. Super easy super simple !

[@kamatsu8]

You do a good Plinkett!

[@nonameuserua]

Thx a lot ♥️ right after the explanation of pronouncing the Ukrainian toponyms, my so far favourite KZbinr explains the thing I used to study at high school 🥰

[@polyMATHY_Luke]

Thanks for the kind words! I’m glad you enjoyed it; I had fun making it

[@nonameuserua]

@@polyMATHY_Luke my most relaxing memories from the university, when we were listening about differences between Ionic and Attic at the elective after our boring German classes, Luke Btw mustache suits you, don’t even think about cutting it off!

[@LethalBubbles]

It's all Greek to me!

[@ICXCTSARSLAVY]

OK, who is going to focus on learning Cretan and Lesbian Greek? That would make a nice topic for dinner parties.

[@tristanholderness4223]

whenever I see those maps I'm always disappointed they leave off Pamphylian (which seem to have spoken an archaic Arcadocypriot dialect), most of the Pontic dialects (which, being largely settled by Milesians were presumably Ionic speaking), and the colonies in the Western Mediterranean like Massalia (which being founded by Phocians were presumably Doric speakers)

[@polyMATHY_Luke]

Well said

[@VSLS06]

Pontic greeks are hellenized native anatolians that have no connection with ancient greeks and the greek ionian tribe by genetics.

[@cerberaodollam]

PIE course when? ;)

[@Treinbouwer]

I now know why in school we worked with a dutchified version of attic instead of realy doing something with pronunciasion.😂 These video's are realy cool, because I do want to know these things.😊

[@Treinbouwer]

I've made slight changes to the polyphonic script adding an old letter for the w sound, shifting sounds to Dutch sounds and changing the diacritics to make up for some things like vowel length for α,υ and ι and using it to note exeptions in pronunciation. I made it so that I can write Dutch phonetically using the Greek script with as little change as possible. Any Dutch learning ancient greek should be able to read it with relatively little effort and it can be typed. Διτ ἰς ἠν υωρβηλτ τεξτ.

[@13tuyuti]

I think all teaching methods available in the Netherlands teach Attic because the most well known authors are from Athens. In the English speaking world there are methods for Homeric and Koine as well. Of course it has been proven scientifically that Plato really did speak with a Dutch accent. The Germans, who think that he spoke in a German accent and the English who would have it he spoke in an English accent are simply WRONG!

[@WaldoKrayt]

You should react to the latin used in the covers made by the miracle aligner! I would love your insight in their usage of latin to both translate the songs and the singing itself!

[@polyMATHY_Luke]

Nah, he’s a good guy, and supportive of the channel, which I appreciate. I wouldn’t want to tear apart pronunciation errors and grammar mistakes publicly.

[@WaldoKrayt]

@@polyMATHY_Luke Fair enough, i understand. Love both your guys' channels so keep up the great work!

[@WalkerBulldog9678]

could you inform us about the Boustrophedon (Βουστροφηδόν) writing found in Crete and abandoned in the 7th BC. and which is probably archaic Greek writing. Thanks for the videos!

[@thli8472]

It would be nice to have some animation of how everyone moved to get there.

[@polyMATHY_Luke]

Indeed! It’s not especially clear, though there are hypotheses. But I do intend to treat this argument in a separate video.

[@FulmineNero]

Stabiler Schnauzer, steht dir gut.

[@Zora3y]

Luke jebaiting new users with thumbnail. (Approved, though)