Introducing Meticulous Espresso, the world's first autonomous lever machine.

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[@johnhallstrom6629]

The 45 degree tamp is just perfect

[@alexmontanus]

Many reactions for wanting to see additions like a boiler and a steamwand, and missing the entire point of this machine.

[@freakyfrank1549]

Looks awesome, but I can't help worry about longevity

[@mahausrath]

Looks amazing! Can't wait to grab one of these

[@BenTsuiYYC]

So jazzed about this! Really looking forward to March 2023…!

[@VoyporunCafe]

It is definitely a coffee machine that I want to show on my channel to my community in spanish. Subscribed and waiting for new information.

[@MWSJoey]

Meticulous video, uneven tamp. I couldn't take my eyes off it. Looks good though, I hope the Meticulous succeeds as it's an interesting piece of kit.

[@gk5450]

It is a really exciting machine and very tempting... but a solid plan on soon to follow dedicated steamer would possibly quadruple the interested audience.

[@luctschumper2469]

I‘m having high hopes for the nanofoamer pro! That would be the absolute dream combo😍

[@Shivnandak]

To me the biggest positive of this machine is that it does not have a boiler. They already have a lot on their plate with this machine. There is no point in dividing their attention to another product when there are already multiple options to choose from.

[@cardansan]

Hey! Have you checked their steamer on their Kickstarter campaign?

[@gk5450]

@@cardansan Yes, looks great and there should be some reviews pretty soon!

[@danmark81]

i'd love it to also have a steam function

[@HaekalAlchatieb]

wowwwwd

[@victorovera]

Take my money🤩 tengo amigos en Puebla. Les deseo mucho éxito y espero poder obtener su producto para mostrarlo en las carolinas.

[@user-bdpdfom]

Any plans for milk steaming option?

[@Dan-uy2ld]

Starts with great beans... Proceeds to show the most dark roast commodity coffee looking beans ever and tamps them unevenly

[@depichu]

Working off a flair/lagom mini and I was originally thinking Id eventually just jump straight to end game with a decent in the next 3-4 years but this could be an awesome detour if the price is right.

[@savucristea]

Price is first issue,second warranty and third afterbuy service...

[@Ona1000]

It’s supposed to be $1,500 @depichu

[@depichu]

@@Ona1000 ooooh. The companion steamer + pressure profiling looks like the ticket. Can’t really do back to back too quickly but maybe I can bang out two drinks with the flair right beside it

[@viperlt86]

Grounded?

[@superlloito]

What is the minimum amount of water you need to use?

[@CC-ve9jq]

how to clean this machine.....by manual adding water??🤔

[@sprhv]

What price is expected?

[@daddyjotaro2109]

I want this badly. Hope as a student i can afford this machine xD

[@budelmore6286]

About two grand

[@daddyjotaro2109]

@@budelmore6286 phew and i thought its gonna be expensive

[@theoperrin9653]

Interesting. Worth noting there are plenty of options for steamed milk to pair with this, especially the nanofoamer pro whenever it comes out

[@BensCoffeeRants]

NanoFoamer Pro Kickstarter is now live

[@MikeBifulco]

Sign me up!

[@basirkoh5267]

The espresso shot itself at the end though looks kinda off

[@MichaelZuskin]

I have a machine with an E61 Flow Control Device. It often happens that I decide "on the fly" how exactly to change the flow rate. For example, when I am using the ramp down ("spring lever machine") profile and see that the grind is too coarse (the jet is too strong), I reduce the flow immediately and aggressively to increase the brew time and save the shot. And vice versa: if the grind size is smaller than I wanted, I start limiting the flow closer to the end of the extraction, and not too much (sometimes I even decide not to apply the profile at all). Another example: If I find that the coffee is barely flowing out of the basket, I immediately shut off the flow completely for half a minute (to let the puck bloom) and then reopen the faucet. After that, the liquid flows a little faster. This significantly reduces over-extraction, which improves the taste. Can I do similar tricks on Meticulous, or will it only brew strictly according to the pre-programmed profile?

[@BensCoffeeRants]

I saw a video on their instagram and it seemed to show you DO have manual control... UNLESS it was a specific manual mode and in regular profile mode it follows the profile and can't be over-ridden. But yeah ideally that would be good, having the option to manually over-ride on the fly! I've done the same thing on my E61 w/Flow control to save shots when you accidentally grind too coarsely!

[@dave85110]

Looks like a Flair 58 is a more modest choice.

[@ozpain1]

Maybe nit picky but wasn't impressed with the shot that as pulled. Did they use pre-ground maybe? Need to see some real time demos. Looks are solid though!

[@depichu]

@meticulous. Any plans to design a companion milk steamer?

[@BensCoffeeRants]

I told them, and the Subminimal people, they should team up and do a bundle deal with the Subminimal Nanofoamer Pro. They'd make a beautiful combo.

[@depichu]

@@BensCoffeeRants That'd be awesome, but I have had very little success using their nano foamer with oatmilk. Ended up finding a used BDB for super cheap and learning how to steam for both my auto and lever shots. Great machine so far to figure out what I really want out of this hobby

[@BensCoffeeRants]

@@depichu Using a dual boiler just to steam milk? :o Or also using it for espresso I suppose? Seems a bit overkill if it's just for milk :D My buddy uses a little Bambino Plus which has a thermocoil type boiler so less energy use, and it has an auto-steam feature which apparently does a pretty good job, it first injects air through the wand, then blends it in and heats it up to a set heat level.

[@raviolin]

the thumbnail made me think that someone is pouring water into a grinder...

[@doug5853]

Yes, but where is the fun in that?

[@SarntAKluss]

I totally would love to have an espresso machine at home. However, I find the energy consumption in a household setting unreasonable. 1kWh (some not double checked scource i found for lelit bianca) for 2-3 espressos scares me off. You have to heat up a lot of mass in a prosumer machine and keep it at temperature for acceptable usability. In comparison, I could make ~30 Aeropress with a similar energy consumption. Therefore, for me only the Flair 58 comes into question!- Or now as an extremely interesting alternative the Meticulous. Maybe you should mention this somewhere... And i think it is also worth mentioning that you can manipulate all the flow rates, temperatures etc. like on the Decent which is >2x the price? I don't think this machine is appealing for set it and forget it people. I think this machine is great for prosumer and coffee nerds. I hope you have great sucess with this machine. I love the concept. Also I am total interested from product management and busines development perspective.

[@BensCoffeeRants]

I think like the Decent, it CAN be whatever you want, find a profile that works for your one coffee, and set it and repeat it endlessly if you want without using a tablet to change things. But I definitely would feel like doing that all the time is a waste of the machines potential. For power consumption, modern especially boiler-less type machines are much more efficient than old school E61 group machines, I kinda think of it like E61 big boiler machines are like a classic Corvette. It's beautiful, it does what you want, but it's not very efficient. VS Decent (or Meticulous) which is more like a Tesla. But there are other newer machines that use smaller boilers and are more efficient while achieving good temperature stability I believe.

[@rsilvers129]

The Breville machines, such as the Bambino Plus, don't have a tank so won't use much power. 1 KwH would be like 11 cents in a normal US state, and a lot lot more in a place like Germany.

[@chrisdturner]

Looks cool but I'd definitely like to see a steam wand and convenience of water tank+boiler that could automatically fill the chamber with water. Not sure I like the workflow of filling with a kettle but cudos for innovating and definitely think the use of a piston for precision control could be great if it works well

[@ormasas9159]

Its mostly for people who wouldn't want to maintain a boiler or heatcoils

[@chrisdturner]

@@ormasas9159 Perhaps. I do think they're making it appeal to a much more niche market by doing it this way and lacking a steam wand. If it didn't need a kettle to fill and had a steam wand I think it might sway me away from the Decent. I still hope it's a success as it's good to see innovation but perhaps a V2 might add these features.

[@RegrinderAlert]

@@chrisdturner You can just put in room temp water if you don’t mind waiting a few minutes. If this was a boiler-machine I would lose interest immediately. Open-"boiler" machines like this, the Flair 58 or the Strietmann make it easy to adjust your water recipe between shots.

[@Shivnandak]

It heats cold water in 4 mins. You don’t need a kettle.

[@chrisdturner]

@@RegrinderAlert It just doesn't work for me as I often make several drinks back to back for people (almost always milk based too). So having to manually fill with water and wait for it to reach the temp just won't work for me. Do you often change water recipe? That's a whole area I've not ventured down much.

[@rendez2k]

Sounds good but best espresso in the world? Other things go into that such as the grinder and some skill from the user. How is this better than say a decent? What’s it offering that’s ‘new’ for that claim? I am still very interested but not sure I like claims like that sorry 😮

[@ormasas9159]

Mostly just for people who don't like maintenance on equipment

[@gk5450]

Decent can replicate the lever shot parameters, but not the results in the cup - according to what I have read. It is why John and team are going to offer conical baskets with smaller bottom area, further reduced headspace. I presume Meticulous will cover that.... as it is a lever machine. It remains to be seen if it will excel in the other areas where Decent does well.

[@RegrinderAlert]

@@gk5450 This is correct. The pump characteristics don’t allow it to replicate "true" lever shots. Also, the most popular "lever" profiles get it wrong because they use a mix of flow and pressure profiling to replicate arbitrary spring lever curves. That’s not how a spring lever works tho. The pressure at a given point of time relates to the volume swept by the piston up to this point. I knew that before buying the Decent tho. DE1 is great and I learned a lot during my time with it but it certainly cannot replicate any machine.

[@BensCoffeeRants]

The water heating mechanism is new, although that might not be something everyone likes. The boiler less design and lack of tubes etc might make worries and issues with scale buildup a thing of the past. The fact it's like a Motorized precision controlled lever machine is pretty awesome. Lots of similar features to the Decent, hopefully their UI is nice and flexible without being overly complicated, seems like it's well thought out so far. It's also a lot cheaper than a Decent! And has an integrated scale.

[@excellerateurbreath]

I've seen a few demos of this machine now and I see what I always see which is a lot of channeling. Wouldn't it be cool if there was a machine that just solved for channeling?

[@ThePlayahans]

So basically how I make espresso on my robot, only that there I am the computer who controls pressure/flow

[@BensCoffeeRants]

Can you do it consistently though, or change up the temperature mid shot? (I think it can do that..)

[@ThePlayahans]

@@BensCoffeeRants Consistently enough for my palate for sure (your experience may vary of course).. why on earth would you change the temp mid-shot? I feel like espresso making has already become so much more complex with the introduction of flow/pressure profiling that this sounds absolutely over the top and nothing I would ever want or need

[@BensCoffeeRants]

@@ThePlayahans Traditional lever machines I believe have a declining temperature profile. It would just be another thing to experiment with and see how it affects extractions, maybe a higher temperature at start of the shot and lower temperature at the end results in a better shot, or perhaps the opposite. Decent espresso machine can do it, different temperatures at different points throughout the shot. I talked to a Decent owner who experimented with that and I think he said straight temp profile worked best for him.

[@ThePlayahans]

@@BensCoffeeRants I will leave this for someone else to find out/do lmao.. I am fine without it but interesting to hear - cheers!

[@BradAhrens]

Some of these comments sound like they're paid for by a company whose product has a steam wand and they're trying to poach potential customers it's weird. You guys know there's dedicated and affordable tools that steam milk, right?

[@BensCoffeeRants]

I think it's just that MOST espresso machines especially powered ones (not like flair /robot lever machines) ALL come with milk steaming capability, and this is the ONE thing it seems to be lacking, I still want it though! I found after learning more about coffee, upgrading my grinder(s) and ironically getting a Dual boiler I was using less and less milk as I was making better espresso. Now it's like, I'm out of milk? Meh, no problem.

[@Pianoman1488]

So many better options with steam wand options for that $1,500 price point. A true dual boiler Profitec Pro 300 is just $200 more.

[@BensCoffeeRants]

That's a great machine from what I hear, but not really equivalent, I'd say this is more comparable, to a Flair 58 combined with a Decent, just missing the steam capability.

[@beyou3015]

That's really cool. Maybe we should consider integrating an AI-powered barista to improve efficiency and quality.

[@nonnegaard]

Its not grounded, just ground. Also, bar is plural, so its 9 bar, not 9 bars.

[@RegrinderAlert]

You can say "9 bars of pressure" and it’d be correct as well.

[@user-jp9js9th8o]

ridiculous monstrum - and how professional can it really be, when even the tampering is not executed professional > @ 0:07 following ... and you need a separate electric kettle....???

[@savucristea]

I belive this is the first automatic espresso home maker,except the grinding

[@BensCoffeeRants]

There's definitely more automated machines out there, but they're not generally GOOD.

[@savucristea]

@@BensCoffeeRants not delonghi,krups etc

[@alexs.2069]

This machine promotes precision but then you have a really bad tamping process and call it the best espresso in the world? I promise you, take a great mill, a good tamp and a gaggia classic, you will get a great espresso that beats the one shown ...