Introducing Shaper Workstation

[@truecuckoo]

Very elegant! Thanks for using my song in there. Suits perfectly. 🙏🏼

[@Tenayistillinreggae]

That's beautifully played! Where can I find it? 🙌🏿

[@ptcruiser2012]

Having read all the comments I can sort of see the point of a lot of the critique when they have not used the machine. I just bought mine a month ago after watching this video. 2 days after getting it I went away for 3 weeks so in real time I have only been using it since last Friday. I have everything in my shop. Many of the incra tools that people mention. I have a full size router table on my Sawstop which allows me to use the fence for precision cuts that can accomplish what this video demonstrates. I also have a CNC machine that I built myself. After purchasing the Shaper, I realized that it is not really a CNC. The main difference is that the cut paths of a CNC machine are 3 axis. Shaper is 2 axis and the user provides the the depth for the most part. CNC's can carve shapes and virtually render images similar to a 3d printer. Having said that I should make it clear that I am not in the least bit disappointed with Shaper. My attitude changed though only after I began to use it. The main reason is that Shaper is the most brilliantly executed tool I have ever used. Let me qualify this by saying right off the bat that if I did not have workstation I probably would not think this. This machine will not replace my router table, CNC, jointer, chop saw, planer, bandsaw, chisels, lathe or palm router or any other tool I have. These tools all have their place. Shaper however accomplishes something that I have struggled with. Beautiful, elegant and imaginative joinery and hardware. Virtually any hardware is now a walk in the park. Any joint is possible. Any detail you can imagine. Let's also add how quiet it is. I hate being in the room when my cnc is running. This thing is so quiet and dust free you don't even think you are cutting sometimes. I am sure some people want to know if Shaper could replace other tools and stand alone in a shop. I don't think so. Sure you can cut out parts and with an infinite amount of shaper tape the world would be your oyster. This makes possible detailed marquetry and inlays on a broad scale. And perhaps if you wanted to do that, you could build a business around Shaper. For me Shaper is a precision tool and in a woodworking shop there is always the need for that differentiating detail to make your work stand apart. Shaper does not want to automate woodwork, it just wants to enhance it.

[@dworkin7110]

Extremely well put. Bought mine a few months back. Remarkably capable machine. Phenomenal precision. Makes me think differently.

[@mlongstudio]

If you do this box please be aware there are a few errors in the pdf instructions that will monumentally affect your build. The bit suggested for the dovetail is incorrect and there is a measurement depth error on the walnut.

[@Letstalkaboutart]

What’s the correct bit to use?

[@SandrineDwoopydogandco]

Il y a beaucoup d'erreurs de dimensions dans le PDF. Les schémas ne correspondent pas aux dimensions des planches. Et la référence de la queue d'aronde ne correspond pas non plus. Donc difficile de reproduire la box.

[@michaellove9487]

In the opening scene, what's the work bench the workstation is attached to? It looks real nice too.

[@thorstenl.4928]

It seems to be an upcycled stage element (in Europe usually 2m x 1m). Laura Kampf uses those too and she has a Video about that: kzbin.info/www/bejne/ioG5omOwjbCsacU

[@chrisr1241]

This box looks so so nice

[@johnnyplassiii170]

Are there any detailed instructions anywhere for the double dovetail process? This video is very calming but the 9 svg files don’t really help very much without any instructions on how to use them.

[@NomenNescio99]

Amazing precision, and a very beautiful box. Part of me thought why even bother adding glue with the fit of those dovetails.

[@MakeSomething]

This is pretty incredible!

[@Shapertools]

Thanks!

[@brucebaker9375]

Where can I get the plans for the box?

[@frankshannon3235]

I assume half blind dovetails are possible. What about single pass half blind?

[@jchan0425]

is there plan to release in Australia?

[@citylockapolytechnikeyllcc7936]

I'll take 150 open top boxes like that..... 4"X 8 X 3" ! Seriously, most awesome development in putting the capability of large, stationary equipment into a on-the-work-piece or on-site work environment. I have never seen a double dovetail.... that is purty! As a locksmith, I need the ability for the tool to work around right angles, for mortise lock and trim preparations, so I can make complicated preps on a door as a single setup, and not 3 separate ones. I called about it, but company declined to discuss such things.

[@Gatheengen10]

The development of double dovetails and more is not a new idea. Look up the Leigh Industry’s website.

[@joshcuthbertson]

So, can I get those files for mine? :-) Seriously though, will dovetails be a future software upgrade like box joint was? Can't wait to try this on mine...if I can figure it out from this video.

[@Shapertools]

We don't discuss future features or products. But we will share Andy's files on ShaperHub!

[@swampflux]

Josh Cuthbertson dovetails can’t really be a software only thing. You still need the bit, and you still need to do the math. But Shaper box cut handles the rest :)

[@joshcuthbertson]

Wray Bowling I know this, man. But thanks for the input.

[@citylockapolytechnikeyllcc7936]

@@Shapertools Is this an SEC thing ? If so, understandable. I liked the old days, when companies were happy to respond to customers, and the investors were SILENT partners, and not litigious ones.

[@manbearpizza]

Shaper when will the files be up? Eager to learn more about creating these sharp dovetails (even w/o inlay).

[@allanruhnke1734]

What is the name of the music and artist. Perfect sound for this video. Thanks.

[@PaterNoster09]

Dude, that looks amazing! I just got a shaper and I'd love to make dovetails like this.

[@swampflux]

So excited for this!! I was about to finally build the advanced vertical workstation but i felt both it and the original looked insecure and like tape would eventually rub off. Smart design having the sliding support bar.

[@Shapertools]

10/10 can confirm that Shaper Workstation is WORTH THE WAIT (but we do recommend pre-ordering EARLY)! And we don't even refer to it as "Vertical" Workstation anymore, as Workstation is designed to handle so much more than just vertically-oriented end-grain cutting. We'll post more videos of workholding with the Shelf - the height-adjustable surface for fixturing small or difficult-to-hold workpieces. Even holding long stool legs horizontally for mortising operations into the sides, is a piece of cake!

[@stevenlee3049]

@@Shapertools why can't you post all available videos now to help us decide to pre order or not. I am more interested in how the height adjustable surface works.

[@AndyCarnegie]

Just ordered a shaper and it's already been dispatched so should get it next week! I can't wait. I have some beautiful exotic woods and 1000's of ideas. I have cut some double dovetails in the past on my Incra router table so I am looking forward to comparing the process.

[@tillrasch1539]

Top Video, sehr gut gemacht und schön gezeigt. Und natürlich auch ein Super Ergebnis ! Danke Andy

[@bstheory]

I love the idea of just having a perfect workstation. I'm curious what the precise benefits are over the DIY versions though. Accuracy, stability, does it store better, etc?

[@nhannguyen-sr9vh]

accuracy and stability shouldn't be any different because origin uses the actually wood piece as the reference point. only for anal retentive OCD people who can afford $450 IMHO.

[@Shapertools]

Many benefits, although we are also happy to see Origin users "roll their own" work holding solutions. Shaper Workstation aggregates all of our experience and learnings from years of home-built fixtures, and introduces high-quality and precision-manufactured components for the ultimate out-of-the-box setup. Lots of small, but highly useful, details. One example is a height-adjustable locking "shelf" for with friction-adjust setting built in, allowing easy and fast setups with just the perfect level of friction to not require a third hand. Another example is the ability to perfectly align the cutting surface with the ShaperTape plane, utilizing the Support Bar - Andy is doing this at around the 15-second mark. The permanent and durable ShaperTape surface is pretty awesome, as well. Workflows become much easier when you're able to repeatably register designs with materials over and over. We will be releasing more videos and photos highlighting various features in the upcoming weeks - check us out on Instagram as well @shapertools. I hope this helps!

[@Shapertools]

@@nhannguyen-sr9vh hmmm we wouldn't say *only* for OCD people. Probably also for anyone who would prefer to spend their time building projects instead of jigs, not to mention the fact that there are actual, significant, material costs associated with fabricating a DIY version. But hey, here's the best part. We still provide FREE plans on ShaperHub of the original "Vertical Workstation" for anyone who would prefer to go that route. And many other Origin users have shared their own derivative designs as well, also on ShaperHub. Freedom of choice is a wonderful thing!

[@McGinnisArtistry]

Here is my perspective on making versus buying the vertical work station. I made one as soon as the plans came out. I bought materials specifically as suggested from the proper vendors, etc, and used 14-ply birch plywood. Got the nicer clamps, etc. But the plywood consistency was not perfect, and though it is a nice jig, it cannot compete with the precision of the new Workstation. There seem to be so many well thought out details that I noticed after watching the video 6-7 times. Like others said, the video does not have the level of information I normally desire, but then I am a detail-oriented person, as most Shaper users surely are. The price is almost inconsequential. It took me several hours to build the jig, and the cost of materials ($92 birch plywood, $49 clamps/track, $25 Delrin rods, + Shaper Tape) was not trivial. All said, including my time, the jig would have cost $391. So yes, with all the new well thought out features, I am going to buy the new Workstation... especially since early buyers also get a Systainer, making the jig actually cheaper than a home-made version.

[@johnc6440]

Michael McGinnis i didn’t get a systainer with my early Workstation - should i have got one?

[@EvilVillainInc]

When are these coming to NZ & AUS?

[@peirob]

Nice, but still don't really understand how precision is granted. Is the 'local demo' in Geneva Switzerland area? Cheers

[@Shapertools]

Hi Peiro! Precision is granted by the onboard vision system and real-time motor control, which work together to keep your cuts on track. The Shaper Workstation helps with quick, precise and repeatable work holding setups. The best option to become aware of local demos in the Geneva, Switzerland area is to join our mailing list at shapertools.com. Thx!

[@Accenterior]

Thanks for this .. one question! your SVG files uploaded in shaper hub doesn't look working.. Am I wrong?

[@CharlesAlanRobinson]

This looks great. I assume that what will be for sale is the black device which acts as work holder and semi-permanent tape (or even better if it's etched into the top and is permanent.) . Can one buy or make the work surface top? It looks like it's perhaps festool, but i'm not familiar with their entire line of products.

[@Shapertools]

We are Shaper Tools. We develop our own products. Festool is one of our AWESOME sister companies. Sawstop is another one. Tanos also! Yes, Shaper Workstation is the workholding system shown in this video, clamped to the benchtop. Origin + Workstation is our powerful "complete system" approach to precision milling operations. Thanks!

[@CharlesAlanRobinson]

@@Shapertools Let me repeat. Can I buy or make the device that acts as a mounting place for the new Shaper Workstation. Can you share with me the name of the vendor if it is a purchased item, or if it is an item you made, can you direct me to possible plans or sources of info. (I do plan on purchasing the Shaper Workstation, but I like that device it's mounted to, and it appears to be portable and fairly compact) Thanks

[@Shapertools]

@@CharlesAlanRobinson we made the bench surface. Bench tops like this are easy to make with Origin. Laura Kampf reveals the underlying platform. kzbin.info/www/bejne/ioG5omOwjbCsacU

[@charlesgoff6429]

I would like plans for the worktable

[@CatCityDesign]

Now we’re talkin’. Great video! We need more examples of these advanced techniques the Shaper makes possible.

[@tchh9708]

Muss bei der Einstellung für die Zinken in der Origin irgendwo angegeben werden, dass Schwalbenschwanz gefräst werden soll oder was ist noch zu beachten?

[@neilgillies6943]

Much as I really love this thing, I'm just curious to know what happens when you run out of shapertape or it becomes unobtanium ??? Pretty much makes the whole machine about as useful as an ashtray on a motor bike :-) Is self-printing shapertape an option ??

[@nhannguyen-sr9vh]

yes you can print your own

[@Shapertools]

Good question! We used to hear this a lot when we first started out years ago. Since December, 2018, Shaper Tools is part of the TTS Tooltechnic Systems group of companies, along with Festool, Sawstop, Tanos, and more. We're here to stay, and ShaperTape will not become unobtanium. Realistically speaking, users never consume as much ShaperTape as they imagine they will. And with system accessory products like Workstation (with the durable, permanent ShaperTape sheet), running out is even less of a concern. Hope this helps alleviate some worries. Thx!

[@Shapertools]

@@nhannguyen-sr9vh well, you *can* print your own... if you don't care all that much about accuracy or cut quality. We can confirm that the scale and the quality of the tape printing is directly correlated with cut performance. We neither endorse nor recommend printing your own tape. We assume that if you're investing in a high performance machine, you're looking for high performance results.

[@nhannguyen-sr9vh]

@@Shapertools I can confirm after years of printing my own tape I see no difference in accuracy or cut performance. I suppose I maybe lucky, but given that I have used a few different printer with out calibrating anything, and still works fine. now costs $1 to cover a 4x8 sheet, used to be $15 using the tape, which is basically a 30% increase in cost of my goods.

[@specialk22tt]

@@nhannguyen-sr9vh How do you print your own?

[@techguy38]

When's that workstation coming out????

[@eherlitz]

Pre-order March 17th, instagram.com/p/B9XFLLCpmUA/

[@RetrotechCNC]

Today.

[@Paranoidmoonduck]

what's the work table being used in this video?

[@eherlitz]

It's called Shaper Workstation and will be available from March 17th

[@Shapertools]

@@eherlitz thanks for the assist!

[@goldbook3313]

I think Paranoid meant what table is the Shaper Workstation sitting on. I’d like to know too!

[@eherlitz]

@@goldbook3313 Ah that's simply a Stage Pedestal/Stage Platform (google it) with an MFT-top.

[@citylockapolytechnikeyllcc7936]

@@eherlitz As long as it folds up and fits in my pocket! I guess there is a huge application for simplifying setup for use in a shop environment, or a semi-portable one. I would rather first see the device able to scan on 3 planes, for doing door preps. But I get crickets when I ask about such things!

[@truegrip2281]

Maybe you should precise the time it took to produce this nice little box in order to compare with other technique :) but I really like the way it brings an automated process back in the hands of human !

[@jdh3777]

Can plans for this beautiful piece be purchased?

[@sputnik4216]

Fabulous in all aspects except the audio music track, I pulled my headphones after 30 seconds. I watched the whole video several times though, fascinating!

[@jmacias]

Is Workstation the entire table/legs etc? Or only the corner attached Shaper branded piece?

[@Shapertools]

Workstation is clamped to a workbench.

[@simonanon2830]

Fantastic. Looking forward to the “H” update (must be due anytime now given the cadence of past updates) which presumably augments the ‘Box Joint Basic’ extension to cover dovetail cuts? ‘Half Moon Bay’ perhaps?

[@Shapertools]

Ahhh, you know we never discuss future products and features. But it would be fun to hear all the guesses for what the "H" release will be named!

[@PebblesChan]

Did anyone else notice the Festool Hand sander product placement? Funny that!

[@slhasebroock]

Once again brilliant!!! Can't wait to get mine!

[@robertneill5511]

That's incredible!

[@AndyBirkeyMaker]

I want that.

[@JackbenchWoodworking]

Me too!

[@AndyBirkeyMaker]

@@JackbenchWoodworking haha I bet you do!

[@dx4rodeo]

Awesome! Thank you!

[@Kreith32]

Very nice job and perfect filmed .... cheers #kreith32

[@Shapertools]

Thanks!

[@WouterZtube]

Stunning work

[@nhannguyen-sr9vh]

all of this could of been done with the "free" plans of the wood work station, so why should I pay $450 to get a metal version?

[@BillNicholsTV]

nhan nguyen I built mine and I will still buy this one, wood moves over time, the metal one is t going to, almost guarantee tolerances are much better on the prefab one

[@nhannguyen-sr9vh]

@@BillNicholsTV wouldn't matter if the wood moved over ten inches, the origin uses the actual piece you are cutting as a reference point thus accuracy stays the same, right??? besides wood moves very little especially if you waterproof it with polyurethane to prevent moisture moving.

[@Shapertools]

Good question - see responses above!

[@mammothorbust]

I want one of these badly - saving up as we speak.

[@amosluyk]

Bit too much editing going on here... Honestlty, give me a video like this done in mostly single take (so I can see how the setup etc goes, and the time it all takes), something showing inlay work (again in real time) and I'm in! But at 3500 euros I'm worried by the 'slickness' of the videos... looks too much like marketing hype. Really hope it is as good as you make it look though... perfect solution for the small workshop!

[@Shapertools]

Yes, it's difficult to please everyone. Too long! Too short! More talking! No talking! We can see what you mean, though. All we can say is that now that we've been on the market for years in the USA and Canada, it's pretty easy to find people who can attest to the fact that none of this is "smoke & mirrors." We hope you're able to get hands-on with Origin at a trade show or other demo event, to experience it for yourself. Cheers!

[@dc2911]

Shaper Where in Canada are these being sold?

[@amosluyk]

@@Shapertools Thanks for the reply! You're right, you can't and shouldn't even try to please everyone at once. And listening to comments on KZbin could easily have you chasing your own tail trying to keep up! Losing game I reckon. I do take your point, and I will do some proper research online. I'm getting lazy in my old age, and expecting to be spoon-fed! I think what I'd like, and perhaps others too, is for you to film the whole process, and produce your excellent short vids like this one, but then give a longer version of the same thing, showing setup, layout, problems (some are inevitable), etc. For me, in order to lay out nigh on £4000 including tax, I need to know details of the process, not just that it can be done. All the best.

[@Shapertools]

@@dc2911 shapertools.com --> Orders ship from Toronto area.

[@bouncehouseofficial]

@@Shapertools Just produce two videos.

[@Alptraumification]

I'm so gonna get this machine.

[@ericlampi2696]

Beautiful.

[@JENNISWISS]

grossartig andreas! tolles video👍

[@flatlander523]

Work station is great I love mine. But you need to invest in a new dove tail cutter bit. That one is ugly😢

[@MrSeminole77]

wow thats impressive

[@creolignum]

amazing...

[@JabStudio_works]

literally been trying to use the machine to do this exact thing! HOW!!!!!!!!!!! understanding AI is so damn annoying

[@Bobby-lr2nw]

Finde ich überhaupt nicht gut ;-) Wegen solcher Projekte/Videos bin ich nach Wochen nun schwach geworden und habe mir die SO auch bestellt... Noch weiß ich aber nicht, wie ich es meiner Frau beibringen soll ;-) Ich freue mich dennoch riesig auf Projekte mit dem Schätzchen!

[@chilimartini2076]

It takes all the soul out of woodworking

[@danielcotayo7726]

😮❤

[@kevinnathanson6876]

Always interesting, but I do find it curious that you chose a project that Leigh and Incra have been using for at LEAST 30 years (banded dovetails) to demonstrate their products. Their much less expensive products. The ones that use a regular router or router table. I'm sure this thing can probably do stuff that their products can't? It might be good to do THOSE things, as opposed to demonstrating parity at 3x to 5x the cost. New folks may not see it, but ANY remotely experienced woodworker is going to dismiss this demo because they have seen it hundreds of times with those products in the past. Are the existing products I mentioned a pain to set up? Yep. But I would imagine that creating the programs for this one is just a different flavor of setup pain, along with putting down the tape, setting bit depths, etc. I really do like the innovative notion of the tool, but you really need to differentiate in order to justify the higher costs.

[@hitabo]

Disappointing price point.

[@johnnyplassiii170]

It is incredible how far from the truth this video really is from the actual time and money it will take you to make this haha. I have a shaper origin and by the time you read all the directions, watch all the sessions, get the bits, figure out the ACTUAL process to cutting these dovetails, you could have spent 100$ on a flat saw and coping saw and made a hundred boxes before you would ever make a single box with origin. DO NOT BUY AN ORIGIN! Do not let this 4 minute video fool you! I did and I regret it tremendously!

[@falsedragon33]

Remove the steppers, and the need for advanced motion systems. Charge more money, and call it state of the art.

[@olleepalmer]

WTF

[@djvertigo2698]

A silent film in 2020... really get a new film guy!