Introduction to Chronic Inflammatory Response Syndrome (CIRS) - Carnivore and CIRS

[@NutritionwithJudy]

Make sure to download the free resource: www.nutritionwithjudy.com/introduction-to-chronic-inflammatory-response-syndrome-cirs

[@keiramoody9968]

This link does not take you to a handout. Is there another link?

[@dylancag977]

I have the same problem Takes me to a page titled CIRS but no pdf. Just a sign up for the news letter.

[@KenDBerryMD]

Great video about a complicated subject!

[@davidwayne68]

I have never seen anyone compile as much supporting data in the description area as you have. Kudus to you! I wish everyone did this. I bet there are good reasons they don't.

[@NutritionwithJudy]

Thank you. It’s Dr. Shoemaker. Everything he shares is in published papers.

[@tracy3812]

Judy’s integrity is fierce 💥

[@lolanidora2564]

@@NutritionwithJudy Hello Judy. I have a rheumatoid arthritis and it looks like my meds arent helping. I want to check if I have CIRS. I'm in the Philippines. Is there a Filipino Doctor that is certified in Shoemaker Protocol?

[@lucasdaniel4805]

Thank you Judy for everything you do. You gave us (me, my wife and my son) our life back! We tried every diet possible, including strict carnivore. We just improved but not all the way... Until we worked with you. You figured out at our first session it was CIRS before any blood work or VCS test. Now we feel better, after 7 months of Shoemaker Protocol. I am able to sleep at last! THANK YOU JUDY!

[@lucasdaniel4805]

@exFatMan For my family was very expensive because we had to remodel our condo (approx. $50,000). You have to test your home. And we had to move...and pay rent...and pay for the treatment...and we are 3 people. So it can get very expensive. We are kind of broke 🙂. But much more healthier. If you are exposed to biotoxins, do not start any treatment.

[@NutritionwithJudy]

LUCAS!!! YAY!! I'm so happy for your healing and fighting for better. You have saved your lives for the long term. AND if you ever get sick again, you all know what exactly to do. God bless. 🥰

[@sannamuh985]

@@lucasdaniel4805 congrats Lucas, were you on the carnivore diet while doing the shoemaker protocol? Did you take the prescription binders at the same time on the carnivore diet or natural binders?

[@lucasdaniel4805]

@@sannamuh985 mostly carnivory,about 95%. I took Cholestyramine and supplements

[@sannamuh985]

@@lucasdaniel4805 Thanks for sharing! When you say 95% carnivore, was the other 5% just cholestyramine and supplements?

[@shmaughn]

This needs international attention.

[@HomesteadingForHealth]

You are absolutely saying what I have been thinking about the carnivore diet and why it’s helping people! But also, a must must is to get out of mold and make sure your body has detoxed from it and eradicated it. I love boron and iodine high dose.

[@vonitaesse4307]

What a strange coincidence!!! I thought i was the only crazy person in this world. I have been doing that for several years following advice from Dr. Jorge Flechas and Dr. Brownstein. I live un a mouldy house and can’t afford to move. This has helped me be strong and I haven’t gotten sick in years. In the beginning I was drinking about 2-4 ounce in the morning and in the evening. I never noticed any problems with taking it on an empty stomach. My liquid solution is 1 tsp in one litre. For the Iodine, I sometimes take more sometimes less. I usually take 5 drops but I have never taken less than 2 drops (12.5 mg). I use Lugols Iodine 5%. Blessings to you!!!

[@vonitaesse4307]

I am curious as to who told you about Borax and Iodine? Or which video?

[@robinhempel-ix6jn]

Never stop learning. Never stop researching. Most doctors have no clue about CIRS. The body doesn’t lie, bloodwork doesn’t lie! So thankful to know Judy Cho (Nutrition With Judy) Had it not been for her I never would have tested for CIRS. The healing journey truly begins now and I couldn’t be more excited! ❤️

[@NutritionwithJudy]

Thanks, Robin. I’m excited to see you heal even further than carnivore!

[@Cobbido]

Growing up is realizing that most doctors don't know what the fuck they're talking about

[@aprilgarnett55]

Long Covid is causing my bucket to overflow, for 4 plus yeRs. Carnivore definitely helps, but it isn't enough, finally hearing something that makes sense to my condition

[@cammos07]

Judy, THANK YOU for being such a spokesperson for the CIRS community. We need people like you to help spread the word about CIRS. You are the reason I found out about CIRS and am now on my 3rd month of treatment on the Shoemaker protocol. I have been sick for over 20 years. Carnivore didn’t move the needle for me and caused me to dig deeper. Thank you, truly!! 💕

[@asmazak]

How do you feel now? Did the shoemaker protocol work?

[@corrie491]

Thank you so much for fighting for my (all our) health! If I had not found you in 2020 I’m not sure where I would be! carnivore+your gut protocol+CIRS treatment = my health back! ❤

[@NutritionwithJudy]

So happy you are healing, Corrie!! Keep fighting and sharing. You can help so many heal too!!

[@fertilehomestead8879]

I am in tears over this video. Your one video from a couple weeks ago of the gal whom had it and nothing was working! I'm there. I have been on carnivore for two years and I have not lost weight and still feeling bla, I was better for a long time and then started going backwards and quickly gaining weight. Found out that it is because of mold I'm our house, all of us are experiencing symptoms and we are in the process of removing the toxins, first, carpets, then wallpaper (who does that here in the South where it is extremely humid in this area and many air pollutants rest in the delta area just south of Memphis, TN. After we get our taxes back we are getting an IQ air purifier that catches things up to .003 microns (funny how we used that before and I lost weight, just expensive). I need to stop researching as you said and focus on fixing what I can and trusting and praying to God for his protective hands in this whole journey to healing. Thank-you for all your work and sharing with everyone!

[@NutritionwithJudy]

There are miracle healing stories. Hope you get the help you deserve ❤️‍🩹

[@EarthsAnswers]

I’m so glad I found your channel! I’ve had this for over 30 years!

[@tammygonzalez9313]

I've been sick since 1990! :'(

[@opedromagico]

You make things so easy to understand! And give hope.. Thanks, Judy. I've been following keto-carnivore for 18 months, read your book 2 times, got my health from a F to a C- 🙌🏻 at least I'm not suicidal anymore. Still, I have 11/13 cluster and failed the VCS. Other 6 family members do present up to 95% similar symptoms. I've been using psychedelic therapy (PT) for emotional support and getting clues as to what is happening inside me and where I should go. PT is what told me “90% of your depression is in your gut.” and eventually led me to carnivore. They told me “there is poison in the air and inside you” so, when your video with Dr Dorninger came it all made sense. Still, PT told me what I have is “simple to solve” and the answer is “water”.. Well, we know there is nothing simple about the Shoemaker protocol and the answer is not water so.. I'm still dreaming, researching and testing, for a simple and accessible solution for CIRS. Who knows I might find it, right? I tried CSM but so many side effects, I want to try Welchol or a clean CSM.. But I'm still saving up money for that. Thanks for reading 🙏🏻 keep up the awesome work, excited for your next Carnivore Cure book! -- insta @opedromagico

[@jasonself1690]

Thank you Judy. I've been suffering for 3 years now with various strange ailments. Been doing strict Carnivore for 7 months now with minor relief. I saw your video with Dr. Dorninger a few months ago and it made sense. I reached out to them for help. I just got my positive diagnoses of CIRS just last week from his office. Hard path I'm going to be entering now BUT, at least I know what I'm fighting now! Thank you so much for your help and you didn't even know it.

[@NutritionwithJudy]

It is a hard illness but now you will know how to heal. Best wishes ♥️

[@QualifiedClean]

The last three homes I've lived in have been mouldy and it's going to get worse with energy bills in the UK, particularly when you consider that many of our old houses were made to be near permanently heated by the old fires and agas. You're looking particularly radiant in this video, Judy.

[@huna1950]

I’ve been living in hotels for ten years now moving about

[@NicoleWellness]

THANK YOU THANK YOU!!! I am SO happy to see someone like you bringing light to this and calling out the “carnivore harder” and Ray Peat people!!! I always felt like something just wasn’t right and I had severe mold illness and CIRS!! I started the Shoemaker protocol a month ago 🙌🏼

[@FoxBodyFitness]

I never even heard about this until you shared the info. I started out interested in carnivore back in 2016 from a bodybuilding/aesthetic angle, but over the years since then, I noticed I endured bad joint pain, brain fog, depression. You and Laura are my go to resources for carnivore. 🙌

[@peacenquiet77]

I have post Lyme and exposure to water damage building and mold, and so many symptoms of CIRS

[@tdfulton1]

Thank You Judy. Thank you so much! I have been listening for a few months now. I am scared to take the vision test, for fear I will actually go down this road... You have such a unique view of nutrition, (such a shame really to everyone else), and I am so grateful and this view is what I have been looking for. The. Root. Cause. Brilliant. With the brain fog, from many yrs of fighting whatever I have been fighting, this road is not one I want to go down! It is so overwhelming, And I'm pretty sure thats why you're doing this vid...because the people you help, need this INFO!!!!!!!! I am only 10 min into the vid, I am so grateful. So, Ill start vid again. Again, feels like you're reading by life of the last 25 yrs!!!!!! Blessings from TX. Binge-watcher Danielle:)

[@jasonself1690]

I just diagnosed with CIRS this week! I'm fearful too. However, I would rather be overwhelmed and try VS dealing with these symptoms for my next 30 years. You can do this. Who knows, maybe you don't have it. it's a win win if you really think about it.

[@NutritionwithJudy]

Don’t be scared. Perspective is everything. While it can be overwhelming, you can have a new lease on life and truly stop suffering. ❤️‍🩹

[@therealjenniferrr]

Hi Judy! This video is terrifying to me, since I have almost every symptom. I will look into getting the visual test done. If we work with you on treatment how do we get scripts? Do you work with our PCP? NYS is a PITA for getting anything done, our hands are even tied as individuals trying to get blood testing done without a doctor. Thank you for everything you do and being the kind and compassionate human being you are. We need more people in the world like you!

[@kathybirkett7986]

Wow! I think I might have CIRS. I have been on the carnivore diet for 2 years and, although I do still see minor improvement, it seems my gut isn't healing like I think it should. I will definitely look into this. Thanks!

[@leahmarchand2971]

Thank you, Judy! I had major toxic exposure to mold and didn’t know it until I was diagnosed with cancer the second time. I’ve seen a lot of improvement but recently has another exposure to mold and haven’t been feeling well. Thank you for your commitment to those who follow you!

[@ColbyNeumeister]

Thank you for finally touching on Limbic Dysfunction. After digging into that topic I feel like Limbic recovery is parallel with CIRS recovery. DNRS apparently improves your body's ability to detox the mold in the first place. I feel like that's highly important. I'm about to go on my DNRS journey, and intend to work with Judy's team in parallel with that. @nutritionwithjudy, please do a deeper dive on limbic dysfunction. It would be great if you could interview someone who can help bridge that gap.

[@NutritionwithJudy]

Limbic system work is so important but not the sole answer. It’s definitely an adjunct therapy that will help some people that desperately need it. (Not everyone does)

[@ann7021]

Judy thank you so much for continuing to research meaningful remedies for those of us that didn't 100% heal on Carnivore. I love Carnivore, but I am not feeling up to par yet--so I just keep searching. Just passed the two year mark with no weight loss and more inflammation than ever.

[@NutritionwithJudy]

I’ll always look for root-cause healing ❤️‍🩹

[@lolanidora2564]

@@NutritionwithJudy Hi Judy! How can I test for CIRS in the Philippines?

[@lyndallsamfromwhentozen1898]

OMG..I’ve never heard of CIRS, but this is me. Thank you for sharing

[@NutritionwithJudy]

Hope it helps turn some lightbulbs!

[@HammyGirl999]

Excellent service here Judy. Many thanks! I am sharing your video!

[@gathercreatelivewithleslie8340]

BRAVO, this is what is happening to me. Keto for years and then carnivore and nothing really helped. Keep gaining weight even though staying within supposed calories area. etc. Wish I could thumbs up this 100 times. Really having issues finding a practitioner. Will all Shoemaker practitioners accept your bloodwork analysis etc.?

[@NutritionwithJudy]

Yes. I’m certified under Dr. Shoemaker. They may add a few more markers depending on the practice but we test all the major markers and the metabolic markers.

[@TMItulsa]

Thank you Judy! What great information!

[@robertmartin8762]

Tis Irish Bob saying hello Judy Thanks again for another informative segment. Always appreciate you, and your channel content. 😇🤗😎🍀☘️🇮🇪🦌🦾🩺🥂

[@nicksisti4026]

Judy, thank you for all that you are doing in bringing a much needed light to this issue. I’ve been working with/researching CIRS since 2015, trying to fix my own bio markers (primarily MSH and MMP9) before publishing any of my (citizen scientist, admittedly) research. Hopefully soon I will gather everything into either a book or series of blog posts. Interestingly, carnivore was what made me able to tolerate cholestyramine in the first place, since my gut was so damaged. So I imagine your clients are having far greater success, already coming from a carnivore approach. I am most interested in the impact that this will have on the electrolyte phenomenon. Hopefully this will spur more research into the effects of reduced ADH when eating low carb.

[@courtneyjarrett3271]

Hey, I'm curious about what you're saying in regards to carnivore and CSM. I'm trying to start CSM but it makes me throw up. How long did you do carnivore before starting CSM? Is there anything else you can say about that?

[@nicksisti4026]

@@courtneyjarrett3271 hey Courtney, thanks for reaching out! So actually…the time line was as follows: -Diagnosed with CIRS/started Cholestyramine 2015 (not carnivore just gluten free). Found it very hard to tolerate CSM. -Progressively went down the paleo/ketogenic rabbit hole over the next few years . Each dietary shift allowed me to tolerate it a little better (especially the SCD) -I got to carnivore in 2017 and finally felt like I could tolerate the medication normally. I was able to take higher doses for longer periods of time with little side effects. Shortly thereafter I transitioned to a maintenance dose as a protectant, just in case I entered a moldy building or got bit by a tick. The other CRUCIAL thing in my case, with tolerating CSM, as well as other digestive motility issues, was working to balance my methylation cycle. I worked with my integrative doctor as well as a few functional medicine practitioners for this one. The Functional Genomic Analysis as well as HDRI methylation panel were ultimately very helpful for this. All these years later I actually still take CSM prophylactically at a reduced dose…just to ensure no nonsense enters my system and tries to burn the house down again 😅

[@MrDarling1000]

Glad I found this video and your message. Thank you! Ironically even though I'm under the care of two practitioners (for leaky gut (Tree of Life Wellness) and staph aureus (Sound Clinic)) and it's a long story as to why I have two at this moment, I'm STILL searching for information on KZbin and beyond. Something you tell your patients not to do. Maybe now I can stop searching? I have been going through my symptoms and issues since 2019 and I'm still not better. So many tests, so many supplements and SO much money. The Mind Body Focus slide really opened my eyes to the fact that I am in FREEZE mode. I have Rosenberg's book at home now, as recommended by the Sound Clinic in Denver, CO. Right this minute I'm feeling terrible with tingling skin and inflamed sinuses and eye pain. I feel like I'm getting the flu every day. Anyway, thanks for your content and compassion. (Another ironic part of this journey is that my FIRST call in hopes of getting a MARCoNS test was to Dr. Dorninger. Unfortunately that call didn't go well for me and I did not pursue his guidance.)

[@tammygonzalez9313]

Would you mind letting me know what happened with the call? I've been sick for decades... I've been trying to figure out a direction to go... I want real help and not just another round of supplements and so much other.... I've been carnivore for seven months. I need help. :'(

[@jillmoore3073]

Thank you so much for all you do! I've been suffering for 7 years and wondered if mold could be the root of all my issues. After listening to Jordan peterson talk about the same protocol that you did. I really hope I can find someone in my area to test me properly.

[@emilye709]

Thank you so much for the video! This was really helpful and gave me hope. I am exactly who you discibe. Carnivore helps but i cant even eat pork or chicken or sprinkle some herbs on my meat. I cant mess up even for one sec without severe consequences. I am so sick of living this way. I started eating chicken, eggs, pork and seasonings because otherwise i throw up because i hate red meat so much on its own. I go without eating and the fast amps up my stress hormones which is a horrible experience for someone with a broken nervous system and adrinals. So now im getting sick again because i haven't been sticking to beef salt water. I cant go zero carb because it puts me in severe fight or flight 24/7. I just cant win. I was doing great for a while. Now my vit D is deficient again and my life in this body is Hell. I found a free test online and it is positive based on the visual and questions. Not sure how accurate it is becauseI have MS and the symptoms overlap. I lived in an extremely moldy apt building. It was rotting inside the walls and under the floor plus visible mold would grow in the corners every couple of days after i'd clean it. The smell was noxious and id get a migraine with blurred vision, numbness and nasea ever time i walked in. My MD at the time thought i was going crazy(i was) she didn't think mold could be causing all of these vegue symptoms and it must be in my head. She said mold can only cause respiratory issues. I knew something was wrong and when id come home from school each day id sit in the car crying because i didn't want to go inside. At one point i was sleeping in the tiny apt back yard below my neighbors balcony. I then saw an ND and she told me that i need to leave the apt even if it means living in my car or a tent. I moved out a few days later and stayed in a shed in a friends back yard. My symptoms started to clear up slowly but never got completely better. I wasnt cured but i felt much better and then I was diagnosed with MS and long forgot the mold thing. But i never forgot that mold was the trigger. I never had any MS symptoms before living in that apt. Its been 7.5 yrs since I moved out of that apt and I am still sick. Do i just keep treating MS and forget about the mold or could it still be in my body? What do you suggest to those of us who are disabled and cant afford to work with a dr on this. I have health insurance that covers a couple of NDs in my area but they are unfamiliar with this protocal. They are usually willing to help me in my self directed treatments and would most likely be willing to give me the medications and any blood testing that is covered by my insurance or is affordable. I just need to know what to ask for and a resource for directions. Is there a book that explains how to treat?

[@1622-p2t]

I’m sorry your going through this. Ritchie shoemaker is the Dr who discovered Cirs. He has a website surviving mold illness that may be helpful. Best of luck.

[@tammygonzalez9313]

Oh dear one! I'm so sorry! I just sat here Literally bawling over my situation and then I came on and just saw your comment! My heart then started breaking for you. I don't want anyone to suffer like this. How are you? What is your update? Prayers for you.

[@Mwilke3789]

I think this is my problem. I asked my Dad if I may have been exposed to mold as a kid, he said when they gutted my old bedroom it was so full of mold no one should have been living in that room. There isn't a symptom she's listed I don't have and I've been full carnivore for almost exactly a year.

[@NutritionwithJudy]

Hope you find healing ❤️‍🩹

[@rachelbaranczyk3402]

Next up-VCS test. You’ve got this!

[@asmazak]

Has the Carnivore improved your symtpoms?

[@Livingtabitha]

I also did the vcs test and I scored a 62% 9/18 LE and 11/18 RE so it was positive. Too bad I’m poor as dirt. I feel like that’s who gets to heal, people with money. Just feeling frustrated.

[@riacadell2316]

You and me both. I'm 99% sure this is what I have. I'm based in the UK and it is so expensive to get the tests and treatment. I feel so hopeless! 😢

[@Aircheekz]

Haven’t watched yet but I know this will be good! I need ALL the CIRS info i can get as im going through the shoemaker protocol as we speak!

[@NutritionwithJudy]

Hope it helps! 🙏🏼

[@Ryanonymous_]

You are truly an angel Judy 🥹

[@Yo-yo-dt5ze]

Iam dealing with cirs after living in a house with mold for 5 yrs started at the same time the pandemic hit I have no clue where to start I have moved out of the house but still experiencing symptoms because my new place has had leaks as well I have a problem with excessive carbs and sugar sweets and it’s been 6 yrs and my dr is no help mold was more than an allergy it almost killed me my entire immune system is weak and immunocompromised and antibiotics are a no go because I’ve been taking them for so long for different infections caused by mold 😢

[@geraldmead7845]

Thank You for this CIRS information.

[@TMItulsa]

Thank you Judy. Your information is timely!! I had my doctor order the HLA and got the results today but have no clue what it means. Hopefully a little research will help me understand if my DNA impacts my ability to detox mold. I have symptoms and failed the vision test but am still hopeful that detoxing will be easier than if I have CIRS!!

[@zscioli]

Thank you Judy!

[@kathleenroberts3007]

Bless you, Judy!

[@nancycordero-severance7661]

Well said. Let's leave the dogmatic approach aside. A bioindividual approach to root cause healing is best. I've tried many approaches - carnivore, low histamine, low oxalates, keto, paleo, tested for lyme no help there with bands 31 and 34, tons of supplements, air purifiers, I stopped eating out etc.... it's time to check for CIRS and adjust my life according to my bioindividual makeup.

[@tammygonzalez9313]

How are you?

[@ChrisKadaver]

How can I get help with this when I live in sweden? It feels like I'm dying and about to go blind soon. I got severely worse after a steorid injection near the lumbar spine while I at the time was sleeping on a choach in a room where I found mold on the wall. I developed severe neuropathies, high blood glucose and suffered amnesia and confusion. I can't find any CIRS specialists here in sweden. Can you do lab tests and send them to other contries or do I have to move to another country to see a specialist. I got ME/CFS diagnosis since 2016. But when I got sick I did it after I accidentally drank a drink from old coffee mug on a festival that I later found was filled with mold in the bottom of the mug. It was dark so I couldn't tell. Got super sick and realized what had happened the next day. I also live in my parents house now and it's mold everywhere.

[@sonicaudio777]

my family refused to learn about any of this when i was being diagnosed with CIRS and LYME and Mold mycotroxins : (

[@canonen100]

I have been fortunate to have lived most of my life outside. Lots of exercise and a good meat diet.

[@huna1950]

But where do you sleep then? Under a tree

[@canonen100]

@@huna1950 I wish!

[@nicksisti4026]

Regarding the cost of these tests: I would just like to say that I have been getting these tests done at Labcorp periodically for the past 8 years, on three different insurance plans, and I have never had more than a $100 copay. Most of the time, there is no copay whatsoever. My doctor writes a script for the tests, so it could be related to the diagnosis codes. But I get a full CIRS panel done every two months or so at this point (I’m very healthy at this point, but I’m still trying to raise my MSH higher) and I don’t pay anything out of pocket. Also, cholestyramine has always been either completely covered or cost $5 a box out of pocket. Even when I was on my University health plan, the tests and cholestyramine were covered. The only expensive part of this protocol was the VIP nasal spray, which I did for several months on and off over the course of a few years. The VIP costs $200-$250 a bottle, which lasts for a month at 4 sprays. But it is usually to be done for a matter of months, and often provides lasting healing. The Marcons test is around $100 and the BEG Spray is about $100 and lasts for three months. I personally needed a few rounds of the BEG to fully knockout the Marcons, but in many people one round seems to be effective. In this context, the testing/protocol for this illness was actually among the cheapest overall avenues I have gone down in my health journey, and has yielded the most benefit because it was clearly the main problem. Given the negligible cost of everything else associated with my CIRS protocol, the temporary expense of the VIP was justified by the lasting healing it has brought me (and likely resolution of assumed mild brain atrophy from years of CIRS). Now obviously, if one has to actually leave their home or gut their house to remediate, that is where the true extreme expense lies.

[@tammygonzalez9313]

That is amazing! Consider yourself the most blessed person! :'(

[@nicksisti4026]

@@tammygonzalez9313 No, I'm just saying that I didn't have a super jacked up insurance plan and that some of this stuff was still covered. Just had to relay my experience.

[@tammygonzalez9313]

@@nicksisti4026 oh for sure…hope my comment didn’t come off the wrong way. My insurance doesn’t cover anything related to Lyme, coinfections, or mold related/CIRS. Nothing… so you’re blessed, but do you think it would be less expensive to have my holistic dr order for me to do at LabCore?

[@nicksisti4026]

@@tammygonzalez9313 Oh I am sorry to hear that! And I am simply not sure about that.

[@suzannejohnson3335]

that is good to know your insurance covered some of the treatment. I had assumed it would not cover any of it.

[@tammymurphy2707]

OMG I think I’ve found my answer - THANK YOU!!!

[@rosinatomes8290]

Hi Judy - So pleased to have found you! I wondered if you have ever worked with sufferers of chronic Sulphur/sulphate allergies? Your mention of innate and adaptive seems like it may well apply in this instance also. Any help or suggestions would be greatly appreciated.

[@mimii3000]

You should interview Lady Carnivory. She was diagnosed with CIRS.

[@TheVmbuse]

Hi! I love your videos and information you provide! Do you guys accept HSA or FSA as a form of payment for the CIRS test?

[@PT-tw6kg]

Carnivore didn't work for me I was 0 carbs for 8 weeks felt great for a short time my stomach hurts, never can sleep lost 0 pounds. I'm done going to get a full body exam. It's not for everyone didn't have no problems before was keto for most of my life.

[@dellzywillis3001]

I think they say to give it a few months

[@priskamessie5843]

thank you sooooo much for your work. im very ill (severe immflamtion reaction, throughout the day, i cant function in a day, i have a daughter and its so challanging everyday, real challanging physically and mentally, im struggling so the governement dont take my kid away from me, because i struggle to bring her to school etc... i got kind of diagnosed from polyarthrits, spondylarthritis...but i do feel environmental reaction and all most of cirs symptoms. i live in Switzerland, went to my doctor, she never heard about it, but found it on internet, she not sure if there are any tests here in switzerland, so i have to make my researches but everything is so challenging 😩 i hope to find it soon, but over all thank you so much Miss Judy 🙏🙏🙏💝

[@tammygonzalez9313]

I'm so sorry. Keep fighting and don't give up! You're not alone even though we feel we are sometimes!

[@Bryan-gt8pf]

5:30 in and I want to watch this, but I don’t because I know it’s going to be expensive. But to reach true health I know I need to understand this information. So Im going to watch it. Is that convoluted enough? 🤔 😄

[@tomaskey6844]

Took the plunge and ordered three products including the CIRS testing. I can’t go on any longer the way I feel.

[@ravennepantoja30]

Thank you for this video. The information out there is really overwhelming. I had one “practitioner” preaching that I just needed to be outside more to get rid of CIRS because my circadian rhythm’s are out of sync and that’s why I’m sick. 🤦🏽‍♀️ I’m not saying it wouldn’t help, but with an MTHFR mutation and CIRS, I don’t think it’s just not enough Sun. 😅 Currently saving to be able to do the blood work with you. There isn’t a Shoemaker-certified provider in NC that is accepting new clients for CIRS so I’m kind of stuck. 😭

[@NutritionwithJudy]

Yes the light folks missed the boat. Show me the marker that shows it’s light. What absolute criteria are they using to show healing? Bc of temporarily sleep improvements? Show me the healing in 3 months time.

[@lisaburkhart9092]

DR. NEIL NATHAN has recently updated the Shoemaker protocol to be less extreme and less tests. But all work. Also a gentler way to those of us that are more sensitive. I AM GOING DR. NATHAN'S PROTOCOL. 😊😊😊😊😊😊

[@coya4321]

Where can we find the protocol

[@inviteweddingid6011]

so.. with CIRS you are recommending CHOLESTYRAMINE as first option? any natural alternative?

[@creativegirl9710]

Yes, be careful of these doctors pushing cholestyramine. It's a statin which lowers your cholesterol. All these carnivore gurus are the ones saying don't worry about high cholesterol. Our bodies use it to make all our hormones. Last thing you want to do is lower it. They are the very ones saying high cholesterol is debunked. Yet this is so odd and troubling to me that this Dr is pushing cholestraimine. I was misdiagnose with CIRS. Talked into taking CSH. Did nothing for me This diagnosis is a big money maker.

[@coya4321]

You could try mycobind

[@bediha]

Ive been on carnivore for a year now. I have healed a lot, but not enough. I was so hopeful along the way but now im loosing my hope because for the last few months my healing stopped or even going backward. Im just stuck with partially healed conditions especially the brain problems. That protocol looks so complicated and i cant even find a physican who know these protocols in my country. It is depressing to get to know these and not being able to do anything ☹️

[@NutritionwithJudy]

There are international providers. Don’t give up.

[@pointshealthcoaching8474]

Thank you Judy

[@sherilcarey7100]

It's been significant that many carnivore channels communities simply can't stand it that someone like me exists. They deny it. They hate for the conversations to come up. And if you try to participate in their communities, they become quite hostile toward you for being sick, for being a challenge to their ideology, or they simply totally misunderstalnd everything you say and begin repeating all the you should do carnivore advice. You should pull this lever. You should try pulling that lever. You should carnivore harder!

[@tammygonzalez9313]

I know what you mean. I have actually been going on to some of these popular accounts and asking if they know what CIRS is and if they would please look into it just like @NutritionwithJudy does and is so passionate about finding root cause healing for her clients. Carnivore WOE is very beneficial But it is definitely not the cure for those of us With Lyme disease and cirs!

[@dellzywillis3001]

People like you?

[@tammygonzalez9313]

@@dellzywillis3001what do you mean? 😊

[@dellzywillis3001]

@@tammygonzalez9313 she said they can't stand someone like her . Idk what she means by that. So I was asking

[@tammygonzalez9313]

@@dellzywillis3001oh, I see…thank you for replying. I thought she was referring to herself as having CIRS/chronic illness. I have CIRS, Lyme & Coinfections, Chronic fatigue syndrome, fibromyalgia and more. Just with the CIRS alone though, it is very hard to heal the body through being a carnivore. I love this way of eating and it has been a game changer in regards to inflammation, but, I still struggle a lot ((248 days carnivore 🙌🏼). Judy cares so much and isn’t afraid to step outside the box! I love her! Blessings to you!

[@porchy4104]

Who can afford this testing? I know I can’t? I’ve been searching for decades to improve my health, spent many thousands of dollars and many many doctors 😢doing carnivore now, but there’s got to be a way to do the Schumacher protocol DIY?

[@aprilgarnett55]

I need to figure this out too

[@w1975b]

I watched a video in the middle of the past 3 years from a young woman with CIRS. She said she could tell when people have gotten the jabs. She'd get very sick after being around them. Her video was removed, no surprise.

[@williamchanningreis]

This was very helpful

[@DustinJohnsonPC]

Carnivore was not reclaiming my health. Last year you turn me on to doctor Dorninger and cirs. You most probably saved my life. I had no suspicions there was a problem with my house before then.

[@yvonneyvonneable]

Thank you thank you 😭🙏🏼

[@Jack-dk1pb]

I'm looking for a mold testing company now who do you suggest? I live south of Houston. I have found one company out of Georgia they are expensive for an erms test. I also plan to use your practice as for my health testing. Thank you for all your hard work

[@NutritionwithJudy]

I’d see if the IEP understands qPCR tests and knows CIRS.

[@karencatlin950]

Judy, this information rings true for me. Suffering with symptoms for at least 24 years, dry sinus, thirsty, muscle aches, etc. 😫 maintaining a carnivore diet, but I still have bad days of pain. I wilve in Belligham, WA area. Can you recommend a doctor here, who, can help me with testing and treatment?

[@NutritionwithJudy]

You can work with most of the Shoemaker practitioners virtually. Being in the US is a blessing for this illness

[@huna1950]

Phospholipid IVs are helping me just now Judy

[@lorikunkel283]

Would CIRS cause the body to make and be more vulnerable to oxalates ? I tested positive for CIRS and have many oxalate symptoms too

[@lorikunkel283]

I'm currently transitioning to carnivore diet ! And just finished Sally Norton's oxalate book

[@coya4321]

Mold in body can make its own oxalates as well

[@sonicaudio777]

how would i be able to get the compounded CSM and VIP if my doctor in my area wont perscribe is there a list of telehealth doctors who are affordable

[@ajayshah6315]

I have been a life long vegeterian. Could you please provide some guidance on what other possible options for food/diet? We are really struggling. Veggies/Fruits/Nuts/Eggs? So any tips for food will be helpful. Thank for amazing content

[@marlowemitchell5396]

Judy thank you! you mind sending some mould air purifiers that are effective? Thanks!

[@NutritionwithJudy]

www.airoasis.com/judy. We have one in every room. It has been shown in studies to reduce biotoxins

[@sheilacournoyer53]

Judy thank you for sharing your information here, I'm just learning about cirs and I'd like to be tested. I was hoping you could help me with finding the right doctor for this? I'm in Ohio. Thank you in advance.

[@beckyhofer4328]

I have a few symptoms, (freq urination, electrolyte imbalance, pain in thumbs) but the one that bothers me the most is weight loss and inability to gain weight. Is this possibly related to CIRS?

[@JeffersonVargas-h5v]

Is it possible to have mold toxicity and CIRS without testing positive on VCS test ?

[@lindyb4509]

10% of people will pass the test and still have CIRS. I passed it withno problem, but eventually decided to order some testing. Dr. Jockers has a mold and CIRS package that I ordered just to see if there is a possibility and it turns out there is a pretty high one. I'm ordering the HLA, Vegf, and ADH now to confirm. But passing the eye test isn't a solid "you don't have this".

[@lindyb4509]

I wish I could've ordered Judy's, but I was expecting my labs to come back normal (story of my life ha) so I went for the cheap option.

[@Rose_Ou]

What percentage of world population can afford those tests/healing protocol? It's certainly a very very small number. It's not about the decision whether to invest in these tests/treatment protocol or later figure out how to pay for the orthodox route. Most people can hardly afford the carnivore diet let alone fancy testing methods, treatments or even to move out of the place they live in. I wish the carnivore diet alone could sort things out for me but I'm willing to give it a try even though I cannot afford more than 200 - 250 g of meat per day (I will have to compensate it with eggs).

[@Bboyatkins]

When looking for a practitioner I am curious if it makes the most sense to only select one who is an MD? Because practitioners who are not MDs wouldn't be able to prescribe the needed medication right? Also I am just curious why you are not listed on the practitioner page?

[@nomade438]

Hi beautiful soul thanks for helping us ....I’ve you had patient that had cirs from longcovid?im pretty sure mine is from mold and contaminated ....my life as been shattered...I’ve tried different foods and ate beef for a while but it was making my joints crack and I was getting bloated as well and I’m just not able to tolerate pork,chicken,fish make me sick veggies,fruits...it’s been hell my life is miserable

[@Snapkrackpop]

I had mold toxicity which is better for the most part but my alpha msh is still low. And my Vegf is low as well. Compliment c3 and c4 are better though. I also have hypothalamic-pituitary damage from long term oxycodone use. It all kinda happened at the same time so at this point not sure if the hypothalamus-pituitary damage is mostly from the mold toxicity. I’ve been out of the mold since 2019. Started paleo keto in 2016. Got off all opioids and sedatives in 2017. Went dairy free carnivore in 2018. My leptin is chronically low at 2.9. I have hypermobility type ehlers danlos syndrome.

[@NutritionwithJudy]

I have a few clients with ehrlos and CIRS. Sometimes it can be still be exposure. I’d have to work with you to know a lot more but consider the environment and consider diet + salt levels even mind-body work. The meds can do a number too. Someone at CIRSx will be speaking about that relationship.

[@oggepogge2038]

what if you are still suicidal after a year of carnivore. I am, is this common? And chronic fatigue

[@NutritionwithJudy]

no it's not. I would look into your environment and take this test: www.vcstest.com/

[@Livingtabitha]

I definitely think I have cirs. Most places I’ve lived have been riddled with black mold. I have 4 autoimmune diseases. I’m on a biologic and lots of steroids. I just keep getting worse. Currently meat based with some fruit and honey.

[@coya4321]

Steroids make mold illness so much worse

[@PurrViewTVShow]

What about gaps diet I've started this and I noticed I feel little better been adding in fermented saurkraut juice slowly it's low carb and carnivore leaning esp my gut is destroyed

[@rebeccaachaibar5984]

@nutritionwithjudy how can I work with you to get tested and/or treated?

[@laurennicole9559]

Does anyone have gastroparesis with CIRS? I started with a CIRS holistic practitioner (who I’m not going back to) and the suppliments and binder she gave me royally messed my stomach up and it’s taking me a few weeks to recoup. I’m mostly ketovore and am just scared about binders and my already severly messed up digestion. I’ve just recently upped my fat( I stay away from rendered fat) eating about a stick of butter a day with whips prime protein mixed in but man I’m struggling

[@TheNebulose]

1 in 4. Is the proof of that in your links? Others say 0.25% rather than the presented 25%. That's a 100x difference.

[@ninabuehlmann]

Hi What should one do if there is no testing available and no one basically knows about this? I'm not even sure if I could get the medication. It seems overwhelmingly difficult to get properly diagnosed and treated if one doesn't live in the US. Any tips?

[@NutritionwithJudy]

There are practitioners outside of the us. It’s a bit more difficult but treatment is still possible. If you’re in the US all Shoemaker providers (including our team) can do the bloodwork

[@ninabuehlmann]

@@NutritionwithJudy Hi Judy Hi Judy, thanks for your answer. Sadly it's not just a bit more difficult. I am based in Switzerland and have spent the last 2 weeks checking with all the major labs for those blood tests. It's frustrating and I can maybe get 1 (C4-Complement). I couldn't find any practitioners either. I feel completely lost and don't know what to do...

[@samfrederick5856]

Are you aware of anyone within driving distance of Fernandina Beach, FL that can treat me? I’ve been suffering for over 3 years and have not had any luck finding anyone with a clue as to how to fix my health. I can barely function, even at my job now.

[@coya4321]

There is a cirs network in fl and he can do telehealrh. There’s also free care if you can’t afford it

[@hollylaw8272]

carnivore for a year, but I'm poor... on disability income. How can I get help? I have all 13 symptoms and pretty positive that I have CIRS because I am not losing weight or getting that much better. I've been diagnosed with celiac, Diabetes, PCOS, FND-seizures, Foramina Stenosis, Neuropathy, chromic migraines, depression, anxiety, fibromyalgia, and I have autism with regression. I'm miserable.

[@thebriannanash]

Hi Judy, if we live in a home in a high-humidity area, how can we ensure we don't have mold growth in the house? Or how do we prevent it? I live in an old house that has windows that aren't modern. We plan to replace them but it will likely be a long process.

[@nomade438]

I think old house at least breath now the house are so hermetic that you poison yourself

[@annaburns5382]

Judy, can you recommend an air purifier for moldy environment?

[@ColbyNeumeister]

I just purchased the air angel, by hypoair. I've had it for a few weeks and can't tell any significant difference, but the technology looks good. Would love to hear other recommendations as well.

[@NutritionwithJudy]

I use this one and recommend it as it has studies to reduce actinos. www.airoasis.com/judy

[@1fhasdfadf]

why not do serum antibody testing for mycotoxins?

[@rinnie6598]

Regarding MSH...would it be possible/probable that a person with Melasma would have CIRS?

[@missdaisy9957]

Do you have any videos on gout, root cause of it? some say red meat doesn’t cause gout? What’s your thoughts on it?

[@antb3334]

Costs £350 her in the U.K. just to speak to someone about CIRS. Then there’s the tests and Blah blah. A good silver + biocidin nasal spray seems perfect for clearing up marcons. But regarding the chelators. The pharma ones are dangerous and should be avoided. I hear charcoal is the best natural binding chelators for molds and metals. Anyone have any knowledge worth sharing on the best naturals chelators and a protocol etc! ??Thanks

[@riacadell2316]

Which practitioner did you find? I could only locate 2 in the UK but like you say, even the consultation costs a fortune. Some people recommend reading the book Toxic by Neil Nathan. In terms of a natural approach that book should contain the info you're looking for.

[@antb3334]

Louise Carder is the only shoemaker certified practitioner in the U.K. it’s a big conn. Money making scheme. They just care about money . If they really wanted to help people they would make it cheaper and treatable everywhere.

[@tammygonzalez9313]

I just listened To Jordan Peterson's podcast where he had doctor shoemaker and Another doctor (Can't remember his name). That charcoal Binders are not enough for CIRS.

[@nextelron]

I am a meat and salt carnivore. I've lost 100 lbs doing keto first to where I am today with meat and salt. I've been able to help most of my symptoms, however I have what appeared to be MCAS or histamine intolerance. After watching you on TMPP you have me thinking it's CIRS. Is there any resources for people that can't afford $800 to 1800 for your program? I am a blue collar worker with a disabled wife and 2 kids I'm trying to put thru college. I have health insurance but I don't have much money left for a program like you offer. Just eating this diet is hard to keep up with but I'm and suffering and I'm not sure what to do...

[@BellaRosa55]

Totally described my issues, especially since my total abdominal hysterectomy. I feel toxic in every way shape and form. I pray I can tolerate Carnivore again with my kidneys. What blood tests are needed? My rheumAtoidologist just says fibryalgia! Urgh. All my inflammatory markers are high just not at 10! I have all the symptims with no diagnosis. I have a crushed ankle from MVA! Urgh! Help?

[@NutritionwithJudy]

The video shares the resources of how to get help.

[@BellaRosa55]

Thank you!

[@lebecccomputer287]

10:00 knock knock knockin on leptin's doooor

[@huna1950]

Phospholipid IVs are helping me Judy

[@JipseeGirl]

This has been my biggest fear about doing this diet. I’m afraid to end up never being able to enjoy a lettuce and tomato salad. Or some berries. So many carnivores can not eat a bite of anything else without consequences.

[@Rose_Ou]

That is exactly what worries me, too. I definitely have CIRS, but it's impossible for me to move out and go through expensive tests and healing protocols. It's impossible to do that in where I live. I could hardly afford an animal based diet if I were forced to embark on that journey (which I kind of am - my symptoms are slowly killing me). People say that if I cannot afford healing this way I will have to be able to afford doctors and medical care. The thing is, people living in less privileged parts of the world simply die if they cannot afford specialized med interventions. So to me it's not a question of this (fancy tests/protocols) vs that (equally expensive orthodox medicine if things go ugly). I would have to just die or count on whatever my insurance can provide. As simple as that. And I'm pretty sure a great majority of people in the world are in the same position.

[@moabman6803]

On carnivore I only eat twice a day. So it's not as expensive as you think. I also know when my grocery store has sales on meat. Chicken thighs can be very inexpensive.

[@antb3334]

CIRS doctors are not available in most people price bracket. It’s a real money grabbing exploitive space. Such a shame

[@riacadell2316]

It's ridiculously expensive 😢