introverted Thinking vs introverted Feeling

[@antoniofdez]

I'm INTP (Ti dominant) and I think that you have explained introverted thinking perfectly. I would only add that, just in the case of Fi chosing their personal set of moral values, the Ti dominant also tries to build their own cognitive schemas. Pretty much like imagining a group of mathematicians solving a particular problem, all using a rational thought process, but most probably, each giving the answer through their own particular path (different approaches, even when all rational). The introverted thinking builds its own set of cognitive tools (I see myself as an "ethereal architect") just as the introverted feeling develops its own moral system. Another thing I want to say is that, while we detach ourselves from the problem in order to gain a better perspective and more objetivity, that does not mean we are cold-hearted.

[@andyroobrick-a-brack9355]

I don't even think that means we're "unbiased" in many cases. I think it just means we need logical, rational reasons to believe in a cause/idea. Especially in the TiSi loop. But I could be wrong, maybe I'm an INFP or even INFJ (most people have told me I'm on the TiFe axis.) But I agree that Ti isn't cold-hearted, it just tries to find rational reasons to believe in something.

[@nuranisah4303]

thank you for finally making me finally believe that I am an INTP. I was confusing my Ti with Fi, and now I got my answer.

[@HillyHonka]

I think an introverted feeler could explain their Fi if they were able to pull out examples of situations that have happened in their past and how they felt in those situations, accumulate that information, tap into their Te, and create a system to organize this system and be able to explain it in more concrete terms. It’s very complex thing but this might be one way to create concrete examples to give to people who aren’t Fi users.

[@Kiseochan]

I stand for absolutely never holding any firm oppinions or beliefs or world views because the mind MUST stay open no matter what. It.. it just HAS to, okay?!!?

[@PsychopathyInArabic]

This is me. May, I also add that I’m a searcher for the truth. Truth and logic Are what shape my opinions and ‘believes’. If I discover I’m wrong in the light of new information that shed light on ignorance then my opinions and believes will HAPPILY change and adjust. It Has to. That’s how I grow and respect myself.

[@cherrymarriedindiscord1404]

Some opinions have to stay firm tho. No matter what crappish logic they'll give you, murder is bad. If you can't even accept that then I'm sorry to tell you that your way of thinking is WAY unexperienced

[@Kiseochan]

@@cherrymarriedindiscord1404 it was mostly a joke. "Absolutely never" "must stay open no matter what" are pretty firm statements

[@cherrymarriedindiscord1404]

@@Kiseochan Alright

[@josep6954]

Best description of Fi that I've come across!

[@matthansink8449]

Good job dude, this is probably one of the best explanations I’ve heard when comparing these two functions.

[@jessicafortman3624]

Awe this was amazing !

[@akaboo69]

When helping people I offer perspectives but I can also use experiences as well

[@ErikThor]

What do you think makes an INFJ happier? Using Fi or Ti? I find myself think of how absolutely cold and dead inside I can feel when in a Ti grip - where I love surrounding myself with sad or deep feelings and emotional introspection... when I can feel something. The technical aspects ITs seem to like so much bore me to death too. :p I dont care so much how but why. I want purpose. Intention. Meaning. Definition. Not data. Facts. Etc

[@baaf10]

Hi Erik, I can't answer your question but still like to share my view on happiness. To me, happiness is the feeling you get when you are moving closer to your goals. So in my view, an INFJ will feel happier when they understand others better (or when someone else understands them). Another thing that could make them happy is when they are effective in helping others. Does that resonate with you?

[@ellipses1212]

I think that introverted feelers get an idea about something, a feeling, and then look for external proof to back up their conclusions...whereas introverted thinkers start with a question and use analysis and figurative language to come to a conclusion. I don’t necessarily think one group is more accurate than the other, generally speaking

[@josephinerose3761]

This is such a good video - your explanations really resonated with me. You mentioned Principles (linked to Ti) and Values (linked to Fi). I was interested to understand how you see the difference between those two concepts (for me they feel almost the same).

[@GeekPsychology]

Yeah they’re really similar. I get mixed up as well though I feel like I know it - just lacking a clear phrase to explain it. This is how I understand it based on what I studied: “In his influential book, The 7 Habits of Highly Effective People, Stephen R. Covey outlined the difference between principles and values. In Covey’s view, principles are rules or laws that are permanent, unchanging, and universal in nature. Values are internal and subjective, and they may change over time.” www.google.co.jp/amp/s/medium.com/amp/p/789b95452422 This does change a bit when brought into MBTI because Ti is actually subjective but it’s attempting to find the universal truth (principle) to guide problem solving.

[@shahrazadsaied4426]

Great video, thank you so much.

[@justincarter6320]

I have a request since I'm close to landing on thinker or feeler: can you post a test where different scenarios such as work, home, grocery store etc play out then like if you picked B) you lean towards feeler

[@ursulanonya6590]

Sort of like the color turquoise- a thinker sees x parts of blue mixed with x parts of yellow is factually making this color a truth vs I see it and say this feels like turquoise. I cannot tell you why, but that conclusion feels correct to me, based on my interpretation of said color, so I feel good about coming to that conclusion. me-INFJ.

[@katianaarrindell1752]

Wow that very well explain good job the work it had to take to explain it really good is really cool

[@AlexBermann]

A friend of me who has Ti hero told me that peanuts aren't nuts on several occasions. I never got why this was important enough to be mentioned several times.

[@yurizafurizaki5574]

I am tested as an INTP, yet, somehow I relate to some of Fi qualities, such as, I would say (to anyone, not myself though): how would you feel if someone did this to you? But tbh, I can careless about not being authentic. In other words, I'd know something is wrong but I will still do it if it's what is rational thing to do atm. Or have I misunderstood the explanation... I'm still struggling to be sure if I'm really an INTP. I am not sure if I act on logic or feelings actually. At times I do act on emotions. Moreover when under stress.

[@akaboo69]

INTP is the most NF NT

[@srulyp1]

Please explain. Because TI?

[@andyroobrick-a-brack9355]

@@srulyp1 I think it's a general belief in rationality that borders on idealism. Inferior Fe also makes INTPs pretty naive, a bit shy/awkward, and even ethical. Ethics is, afterall, more of an Fe thing, and ethics have a more logical basis than morals(Fi.) Without ethics, a cause for society to rally around, it's blind to spiral into chaos.

[@existenceandreality2715]

Great video...this gives deep insights between 2 functions which despite being different , confuses many. In internet Fi is described as a set of moral values. I would rather use the full sentence _ "Fi leads to making the choices which give us emotional feel good experience and these decisions are not dependent on external relevant data but on subjective preferences resulting from thought process guided by emotion rather than logic." That's much different from values. Lets say, you approach 2 Russians. One is ESTP. Other is ESFP. They are not very much interested in football teams outside Russia. You ask them - Argentina and Brasil are going to play football. Who do you want to win? ESTP tries to get some information regarding recent performance of these 2 teams and comes to a conclusion that since Brasil played better in the qualifiers, he wants them to win or since Argentina is the underdog, he wants them to win. ESFP thinks about general information which he already has about these 2 countries and says., since he loves the Brazilian beaches, samba and rain forest, he wants Brasil to win or since he likes tango and Patagonia, he supports Argentina. Now, when an ESFP has to make a decision which is important and can have serious consequences, he uses tertiary function Te and not auxillary function Fi. Similarly when an ESTP makes an emotional decision which can have consequences , he uses Tertiary Fe rather than Auxillary Ti.

[@-HiddenInPlainSight-]

in your clerk at store example how would you say Fe would be in that exact scenario? opposed to the Fi process you mentioned

[@GeekPsychology]

Good question! Fe would more likely notice the person’s emotion and ABSORB it - taking it on as their own. This would encourage them to support the person through noticing how they are in that moment. Fe might talk to them about it. Fe might also correct the other person’s behavior explaining how it isn’t socially appropriate. Fi might too. The main difference imo is where the connection comes from. Fi will reach inward and find a similar feeling that the person is likely experiencing, but it won’t be “that person’s feeling” and act according to what is experienced. I sometimes become unreasonably (?) driven to put my foot down and stop someone’s bad behavior - but that’s because I’ve put myself in the victim’s shoes and now can’t live with myself if I don’t right the situation. The voice or feeling will continue to come back. Whereas Fe is going to pick up on the same feeling the other person is feeling and make attempts at smoothing over the atmosphere. Not being an Fe, it’s harder for me to express what it’s like inside. But it seems to be more of a need to fix the external situation so that “we all” can be comfortable knowing what will happen. If a negative behavior is allowed, then what’s to say that doesn’t become the new norm? If I let it happen as an Fe, then I’m expressing to others that this is something I’m ok with. Hope that makes sense.

[@efeucar48]

I am especially curious about how Fi users learn and solve problems

[@supertouk]

When I make decisions I'll try to gather all of the facts that I can and look at it logically, but then will usually go with the answer that feels best. Does that make me a logical Fi type or a feeling Ti type? This is what confuses me the most. I'm hung up over whether I am an INTP and INFP. I've taken a lot of the test that said that I am an INFP, though some of the tests have said that I show no real preference between thinking & feeling.

[@pastsubstance2930]

You are an INFP - there is a stereotype that introverted feelers don't have logical steps behind their thinking. Feeling is just added and has more weight than thought. Thinkers hold more weight on the logical conclusion rather than their feeling around the issue or decision.

[@divyasaxena3082]

Bcoz of u i know surely know i am entp not enfp...i use categories points flowcharts and i learn better when things r grouped categorized in a systematic structure..basically i like finding true false and create system or framework...based on wht i found out...and since im Ne, i constantly gather info and again restructure it reanalyses them with new info... In my childhood i used to love creating new language symbols, letters, and flowcharts....😁 I dont care if i like something or not ...im more into logical precision...hairpin analysis of my reasons to buy that dress i saw... if thr is my own reason to buy tht dress, if it's useful, justified, economical, wud buy it...also if not..thn i dont care if i like it or not..my like changes if reasons not met...thts pretty fast😁

[@cainwilson8564]

As an ISTP, I’m seeing that this is Fi vs Ti within the context of Si. (INFP vs INTP) It’s surprisingly a bit different from ISFP vs ISTP.

[@GeekPsychology]

Makes sense. How does it work for you?

[@cainwilson8564]

@@GeekPsychology I like the taxonomy reference, specifically with Si in 3rd. But for Ni, I would say it’s more like cartography. You’re always looking outward and towards the future. The judging functions in Si context are informing the present moment with “what have I decided in the past”, whereas in the context of Ni, it is informing the present moment with “how will I think or feel in the future”.

[@andyroobrick-a-brack9355]

If I had to provide a simple difference between the two, it's: Ti has very strong convictions and beliefs, but it's uncomfortable when there is no logical/practical reason for it. Very uncomfortable. When confronted by an inconsistency, they'll attempt to reconcile it immediately, fearing their systems are irrational and wrong. Fi dosen't need, or sometimes dosen't even have a logical reason for their beliefs. It's a feeling, a gut reaction. If their beliefs fail, they'll have a difficult time arguing/rationalizing them. They'll just believe it's the "truth" despite almost no Ti/Te reasoning.

[@ninezerotwo1778]

For example, if I like pokemon because it's something I've always done, even if it does no good for me to be involved with it in my life from productive life standpoints, then that would mean I am an FI-Si user? Or, if I start to drink only distilled water after watching a documentary about water supply, that would be Te supporting my Fi dominance? Would a Ti user watching that documentary be more likely do something such as: think about if their water supply is truly like the one in the presentations? Or question the validity of the video itself? I am admittedly bad at noticing for myself if something is a poor source of information. Would that be pointing towards Te inferior?

[@ninezerotwo1778]

I don't understand much of anything you described. I can't tell whether decisions I make stem from thought or emotion. I kind of just go with the flow, stick to what I know, don't take risks. Does that mean I am an Si dom and that's why I don't resonate with either? The only thing is, I've never tested as a J type before in my life, which is the only result for an Si dom. I do consider whether things make sense before doing them, but shouldn't everyone do that? It's called common sense. I also do not do something I don't want to do and procrastinate a lot even if it makes sense to do it now, just because it is going to take too much work or I see it as annoying. The thing in question may be good for me, but I still don't do it. Idk what this says about me. I truly have no grasp on how I think or what I am at all.

[@uthponsk1364]

Are you american or japanese? Sorry for the question that isn't related to the video but I can't stop my curiosity :D