Investigating the Bayesian Super Yacht Tragedy: Design Flaws, Dive Footage, Salvage Plans

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@gunslinger4203
@gunslinger4203 6 күн бұрын
Thanks!
@SSPDIVING
@SSPDIVING 6 күн бұрын
@@gunslinger4203 thank you for the super thanks my friend! I truly appreciate it. Please feel free if you have any special requests & I will try to address them in part 2! 🙏🏼🤙🏼
@JefferyTheriault
@JefferyTheriault 16 күн бұрын
45 degree downflooding angle on a sailing yacht. Unbelievable. No wonder the design firm is trying so hard to deflect blame. Any staircase should be as close to centerline as possible. Any large sliding doors should have a centerline normal width door section, and the locking mechanism for the large doors should be strong and easily closed even with power off conditions.
@chrisk1732
@chrisk1732 15 күн бұрын
Downflooding :- ( Angle ) ThisYacht …. Keel UP # 40, dg *Angle Keel fully DOWN # 90 o dg * Angle Very LOW for this length / size of yacht !,, ???
@justadam1917
@justadam1917 15 күн бұрын
Compounded by the fact at 70° it was beyond self righting so just fell over
@eleanorjames1118
@eleanorjames1118 15 күн бұрын
Just a point. When the yacht was actually heeling under sail, the vents could be closed off and so the downflooding angle wouldn't be an issue. Of course, being at anchor, with generators and aircon running, all tbe vents would have been open.
@jpdj2715
@jpdj2715 15 күн бұрын
From eSysman's (referenced in this video too) analysis and shared (public) video footage, I get the impression that sliding doors and doors to engine space were closed shut. What seemed already open when the divers went in, were the hatches over the stairs to the crew layer in the bottom of the boat. Suggests human error. If the keel was still up, then that was a human error. If these hatches were still open then that was a human error. Part of the crew may have been shifting furniture on the owner/guest floor in order to free escape hatches in those floors - and such furniture having been placed there in the first place was human error. And safety/rescue procedures probably never got rehearsed because, imagine, owner and guests would have to look crew in the eyes or take orders from them. Human error. Yes, it was "sinkable". With the keel up that was very easy. The boat is just too small relative to what can happen on the oceans. More or less random "super waves" happen out there - at the deepest physics level not random at all, we just aren't able to predict them in reality with current computer models because we don't have all the data needed all the time. And this does not include tsunamis.
@guyspooner4580
@guyspooner4580 15 күн бұрын
@@jpdj2715you have no clue what you’re talking about. Stop spreading ignorant nonsense
@federicogaraventa2004
@federicogaraventa2004 4 күн бұрын
As a recreational diver (Padi Divemaster, SSNI Nitrox 1 and 2, wrecks penetration, under ice cold water endorsment, more stuff) I was asking myself some questions about scuba operations on the Bayesian and you provided some answers. Thank you for the post. I am italian and our daughter was on their boat, that night, a few miles away from the Bayesian, getting ready to partecipate to the Palermo Montecarlo sail race. Thay had no issues that night, but we followed the whole event quite closely, of course. You showed professionalism and competence in commenting the available material, great video.
@Badgersj
@Badgersj 16 күн бұрын
It's so good to have information rather than presentation
@AwestruckAudioHertz
@AwestruckAudioHertz 17 күн бұрын
Anytime they claim a vessel is unsinkable it sinks..
@SSPDIVING
@SSPDIVING 17 күн бұрын
You can’t play arrogant with Mother Nature
@aSoldiersGirlieGirl
@aSoldiersGirlieGirl 17 күн бұрын
Agreed! That phrase should be a “no-no” to refer to anything seaworthy. Like a bad omen, bad luck…..just don’t say it.
@gabriel7664
@gabriel7664 16 күн бұрын
They need to name a vessel "The Most Sinkable". Then there will be a story 300 years from now... "The ship known as 'The Most Sinkable' has survived 37 collisions, 22 undiscovered WW2 sea mines, 26 hurricanes, 17 rogue waves, and 4 groundings. Thankfully, no passengers have ever been injured. We expect this ship to be decommissioned in about 100 years."
@SSPDIVING
@SSPDIVING 16 күн бұрын
Lmao funniest comment I’ve seen in a while!😂
@flowsnake8732
@flowsnake8732 15 күн бұрын
​@@aSoldiersGirlieGirlthat's ok, cos they used it to refer to something unseaworthy (purely imho, of course) ;)
@VGPorage
@VGPorage 16 күн бұрын
Never call your vessel unsinkable if you value your life. Mother nature is always gonna take that as a personal challenge.
@hymnodyhands
@hymnodyhands 16 күн бұрын
This is excellent ... learning so much from you about this tragedy that would otherwise never even occurred to me. I enjoyed your Oceangate coverage, but this is in your wheelhouse, and is even better!
@SSPDIVING
@SSPDIVING 16 күн бұрын
I think a covered many details that most would overlook. They may be irrelevant but there is virtually no coverage in the states on this let alone in the English language. Italian almost became a second language while researching this 🤣
@StefanMochnacki
@StefanMochnacki 15 күн бұрын
@@SSPDIVING Fantastic information. So much great technology, so much courage involved in using it. As for the "Bayesian", those flooding and righting angles are insane. For such a tall sloop rig, how can a knockdown be let go as inevitably fatal? Glad you mentioned the Contessa 32, a legendary tough boat, but time is passing and people forget.
@Yachtwhisperer
@Yachtwhisperer 15 күн бұрын
Thank you for posting the video. One of the most disappointing things I saw after the unfortunate incident, was that Mr Costantino, the president of the Italian Sea Group was assigning blame prior to the results of a proper investigation. Let’s start with the fact that when the yacht was built, Italian sea group didn’t own the Perini Navi yard nor they had anything to do with the build. The Perini Navi brand was acquired in December 2021 from a bankruptcy court. So they had nothing to do with the build, design or engineering of the ship. Furthermore, to say that a yacht is “Unsinkable “, has been historically proven to be the epitome of arrogance. I do hope that the truth comes out after a proper investigation and that we all learn from this unfortunate incident.
@michellefields2115
@michellefields2115 7 күн бұрын
Totally agree I think what this company did is very sleepy if I had the money to buy a yaht I would not buy one from them!!
@sailorlac
@sailorlac 16 күн бұрын
Rather than a waterspout which sucks water up, it's more likely now that to have been a downburst, which does the opposite. There are intrinsic flaws in design, namely the two outdoor lounging areas, one forward of the mast, the other aft, both "sunken" with limited ability to drain the water out in a weather event like this which was accompanied by 100 kts of wind, and yeah, that mast was way too big. And BTW water capacity in the tanks is not so important as the yacht would have been equipped with water makers. Another issue is the lack of handrails on both the stairways, companionways, and in the wider open spaces like in the main saloon.This possibly could have aided in the survival of passengers if, which sadly they did not, had made it out of their cabins. Bayesian was, officially on paper, considered to only be a sailing yacht when under sail, a motoryacht the rest of the time. Great video, adding new expertise to the investigation, great complement to The Yacht Report. Did you know Brett Gilliam (RIP), he was pioneer in deep diving.
@juliettedonohue7069
@juliettedonohue7069 15 күн бұрын
100 kts wind on a ship which is dragging its anchor and is no longer facing the wind will keel more than 50 degrees.
@itgoesup3975
@itgoesup3975 16 күн бұрын
I remember watching that dive video of the dude at around 18:00 it was so wild and such a great thing he survived 2 days in that sunken ships air pocket!!! Awesome he went on to be a commercial diver! ❤ Interesting video so far! Also thank you for teaching me how to tell port from starboard! Hell yeah! Love learning. ❤
@cch201992
@cch201992 14 күн бұрын
Most comprehensive video I've seen do all your breakdowns like this 🍻
@SSPDIVING
@SSPDIVING 13 күн бұрын
I’m glad you enjoyed! Thank you for the kind words 🤙🏼
@cch201992
@cch201992 13 күн бұрын
@@SSPDIVING yeah like I didn't know much about this other than the conspiracy stuff good you included both sides and then sussed out the stuff you did know good mix 🍻
@felixcat9318
@felixcat9318 16 күн бұрын
This was extremely interesting, highly informative and absolutely packed with expert knowledge which was very clearly explained in detail and context! This is an absolute masterclass, one which will become the 'Go To' video for people wanting to actually learn about the procedures involved in a challenging sub sea operation of this type. Thank you for taking the time to produce such an excellent video. Subscribed.
@kqschwarz
@kqschwarz 16 күн бұрын
Lots of excellent information. I know very little about diving, but from a lay perspective, it seems unbelievable to me that being "only" 164 feet below the surface requires huge protocols for divers to operate safely at that depth. Water is heavy, but for many of us (or at least me) who spend their whole life above water, it is hard to appreciate what a huge effect the weight of water has on the human body. It also gives new perspective to how stupid the Ocean Gate dive to the Titanic was. My hat is off to you and the other people do this hugely important and dangerous diving work. All the best.
@teehlfx5238
@teehlfx5238 14 күн бұрын
I have been wondering about what happened with the Bayesian. Thanks for explaining it in such a concise and knowledgeable manner.
@danielorr2972
@danielorr2972 10 күн бұрын
Enjoyed your video very much. You have added a lot of info to the recovery process of Bayesian. I understood a lot of what you were explained being a former PADI certified diver. I am a retired pipe fitter and understood the complexity connected to the "Hot tap" procedure. It was used on many situations of tying new piping pressure facilities to existing piping, vessels , etc. Good explanation. Appreciate your thorough explanations. You and Esysman make a good duo!
@iloveguineas
@iloveguineas 17 күн бұрын
Really interesting I've learnt a lot from this video! Thank you
@SSPDIVING
@SSPDIVING 16 күн бұрын
Thank you I’m glad you enjoy it!!
@trevorwhalley7466
@trevorwhalley7466 14 күн бұрын
I, like most,have learnt more about diving and the dangers than ever before, and your narration is superb, the understanding of why the delays is salvage are also clear, a brilliant video.
@velia52
@velia52 15 күн бұрын
Very well done video, you explained a lot so that the video clips were much more meaningful, thank you!
@SSPDIVING
@SSPDIVING 10 күн бұрын
Thank YOU for the kind words!!
@DrGru23
@DrGru23 16 күн бұрын
Never heard of Martinis law!! Thanks for an another great video- always learn so much from you!
@SSPDIVING
@SSPDIVING 16 күн бұрын
Thank you doctor! Glad I could teach you a few things! Cheers 🤙🏼
@hillbilly4christ638
@hillbilly4christ638 16 күн бұрын
I was certified in 1985. That was taught back then. When you dive, you can feel the effects of depth. Initially you have a comforting feeling, then relaxation and if you go deep enough inebriation. As a young diver I was on a group dive and some of the group descended to max depth and then ascended after five minutes. They did it for the thrill and the feeling they got. I recognized it as recklessness and was dangerous. The dive master could have put a stop to it, but refused to say anything. I had unique first hand knowledge of some accidents that took place and in one event this type of recklessness claimed the lives of four divers and only one survived. Diving can be very satisfying, but it always carries an element of danger in open water. Never ever underestimate that danger or be so confident that you overestimate your ability.
@travissiemer776
@travissiemer776 10 күн бұрын
Following you per the Yacht Report shout out. Good info. Stoked to follow you and watch your channel grow!
@debisiegel6247
@debisiegel6247 13 күн бұрын
Aloha, I find your explanation and your research one of the best I’ve seen. I have followed this mystery from all different places from day one , grew up with a Seafaring Captain dad who tried to teach us kids all about the waters on the Chesapeake Bay and the Potomac river. Throw us in the water sink or swim🤣 I have also had the experience on a cruise ship from Florida to Rome and a beautiful yacht in the south of France 🇫🇷 where both ships at different times keeled where I saw both sea and sky and (thankfully) are still afloat. My wish is always for truth to find its way to the Surface, and for all that suffered to have the truth revealed of what they have left behind …. Bless them all that are gone and to those left behind🕊
@lyleengelbrecht4119
@lyleengelbrecht4119 5 күн бұрын
FANTASTIC FIRST CLASS EXPLANATIONS LEARNT A LOT
@gordonause6956
@gordonause6956 11 күн бұрын
Thank you for pronouncing Bayesian correctly!
@janetsmiley6778
@janetsmiley6778 16 күн бұрын
I am really enjoying you channel. You have very strong presentation skills.
@-teamopenspirit3675
@-teamopenspirit3675 16 күн бұрын
nice explained informations about the Bayesian. Greets from a commercial diver since the 90s from Kiel germany. Paddy
@SSPDIVING
@SSPDIVING 16 күн бұрын
Salute to your sir! I bet you have some amazing stories. Cheers🤙🏼
@gavinreynolds3811
@gavinreynolds3811 15 күн бұрын
Wow! man, super interesting, very thorough and ruminating explanation of events. Enjoyed this video.
@gabriel7664
@gabriel7664 16 күн бұрын
You're videos are great. You don't overwhelm novices and you don't bore us nerds lol. Man, before you retire, you should maybe think about being an instructor. When you get to that point where you don't want to be traveling from job to job but you still like diving. I think you'd be a good instructor. Just a thought. Young bucks always run down the hill...they need an older buck to teach them to walk down the hill. That's what instructors do. You should think about being an instructor 1 day. God bless, have a good one bub.
@SSPDIVING
@SSPDIVING 16 күн бұрын
Thank you brother I appreciate that! I never pictured myself being an instructor but I guess I have learned a lot over the years. There are certainly some subjects in the diving world I’m passionate about. Would love to share my knowledge someday. I’ve had to train a lot of new divers so maybe that’s where I learned how to teach 😂 appreciate your support greatly, glad you enjoy the content, have a grata weekend!!
@eugeniustheodidactus8890
@eugeniustheodidactus8890 13 күн бұрын
*Well done!* new sub. _all boats have very large entry points for water to enter and nothing is unsinkable ;)_
@mirandahotspring4019
@mirandahotspring4019 16 күн бұрын
That "feeler gauge" looks more like a plastic 2m folding ruler. I think that door they're trying to open is for the control mechanism for an internal watertight door. That other dogged door was actually up on the bridge according to the Italian news outlet.
@PowhiroMus
@PowhiroMus 15 күн бұрын
Great coverage and very interesting, good explanations. I used use US Navy tables 40 years ago, brings back memories
@davidbroadley2983
@davidbroadley2983 15 күн бұрын
@PowhiroMus those navy tables were developed by an engineer. JS Haldane discovered all sorts of stuff but in particular he solved caisson sickness. The tables you use to prevent tge bends were his.
@sailorlac
@sailorlac 16 күн бұрын
Rather than a waterspout which sucks water up, it' was more likely a downburst which does the opposite. There are intrinsic flaws in design, namely the two outdoor lounging areas, one forward of the mast, the other aft, both "sunken" with limited ability to drain the water out in a weather event like this which was accompanied by 100 kts of wind, and yeah, that mast was way too big. And BTW water capacity in their tanks is not so important as they yacht would have been equipped with water makers. Bayesian was considered to only be a sailing yacht when under sail, a motoryacht the rest of the time.
@antonomaseapophasis5142
@antonomaseapophasis5142 6 күн бұрын
3:28 That spiral staircase is a fabulous piece of craftsmanship, but in a seaway with pitching and heel, deadly. I don’t see a handrail, and if there is a big gust, and you are part way down those beautiful iroko steps, it looks like you would be free-launched.
@flybywire5866
@flybywire5866 16 күн бұрын
There are many unsinkable ships on the ocean floor that you can buy for free. I think it's strange that the ship's designer, or was it the yard who built it, knew exactly who was at fault, just not them, even before it had fully settled on the seafloor. I wonder why it was so urgent to make that statement. Calling a vessel, supposedly in perfect condition, that sank within 60 seconds unsinkable is hilarious.
@PeterYannick
@PeterYannick 17 күн бұрын
Taseo Tesei was an Italian diver and inventor... you're a diver, you should have learn about him. I would watch a vod about history of diving and it's inventors.
@SSPDIVING
@SSPDIVING 17 күн бұрын
Interesting. Developing Human Torpedoes & closed circuit rebreathers in the 30's. Died when we was 32, incredible stuff. Thanks for the info, I'll research him more later. Crazy to think he had such a huge impact considering he died so young. Cheers.
@davidbroadley2983
@davidbroadley2983 16 күн бұрын
Italian divers have been light years ahead of the diving industry in many areas
@davidbroadley2983
@davidbroadley2983 16 күн бұрын
​@@SSPDIVINGthe chariots attacked Alexandria. The British copied the Italian kit to arm the cockle shell hereos etc.
@StefanMochnacki
@StefanMochnacki 15 күн бұрын
@@davidbroadley2983 I remember as a kid as this was all rehashed when "Buster" Crabb died in 1956 (the British frogman, not the US swimmer Crabbe). There was a film about Alexandia (though as I recall, the water was so shallow that the "sunken" warships were readily refloated and repaired).
@mirandahotspring4019
@mirandahotspring4019 16 күн бұрын
Getting to be quite a collection of unsinkable boats at the bottom of the ocean.
@gcoops5977
@gcoops5977 9 күн бұрын
Although it was initially reported to have been hit by a waterspout, it is now very widely believed that it was in fact a downburst.
@peggypasson8794
@peggypasson8794 5 күн бұрын
That's exactly why I do not believe it's a conspiracy or whatever because no matter how much money you have you cannot order up a downspout ! An that's what started this entire episode ugh my prayers sent 🙏
@JoannaJBak
@JoannaJBak 15 күн бұрын
Thank you so much for your in-depth analysis; extremely interesting !
@seaside_freddie9930
@seaside_freddie9930 12 күн бұрын
Thanks for your excellent coverage. Seeing actual video of the interior of the sunken Bayesian is riveting. I am dumfounded on how technicians can recover a hard drive's contents after so long in salt water. It's incredible how long it takes to decompress. I received my NAUI cert in 1967, instructors in 1970. Lots of changes since then. Ever have to dive in sewage? Yuck!
@SSPDIVING
@SSPDIVING 12 күн бұрын
Thank you for the kind words! I am not sure of the exact date of the dive footage. Quarta Republica claims it is leaked and could have been from dives within a week of the disaster. It may just little snippets being released to a single media outlet now. So a few days in the salt still makes it possible for a data recovery, I wonder if they’ll share that information from us. I always respect divers whether recreational or commercial that came before me. Technology has advanced a lot over the years, makes things pretty easy for us these days. Cheers🤙🏼
@johnharman5440
@johnharman5440 14 күн бұрын
Excellent video really enjoyed it. Keep up the great work.
@brucemartin2882
@brucemartin2882 6 күн бұрын
Great Production of detailed imfo..First time here subbed just for your effort research..Pensacola,,
@SSPDIVING
@SSPDIVING 6 күн бұрын
Welcome to the dive team and thank you for the kind words! Cheers🤙🏼
@APanaful
@APanaful 9 күн бұрын
Thank you for this amazing informative video. This gives me a bit of hope regarding the fuel's removal.I grew up at sea, sailed since the age of 8 and worked on luxury yachts in the Med and Caribbean (when I was younger). I am really into this.story. I just want to know everything about what really happened. I am from Sicily and I saw the Bayesan sailing towards Porticello last August. Everyone with eyes and ears could see a big storm coming, they sailed there to protect themselves from the storm. Considering the 45 degrees downfloding angle it means that the Bayesan wasn't a real sailing boat, the design is definitely faulty. I am really sorry for the people that lost their life.
@davidbaldwin1591
@davidbaldwin1591 16 күн бұрын
Is the mast tall? Ya.. So tall that if you set the boat upright on the bottom, the mast would stick 60 feet out of the water.
@Hhllbb2476
@Hhllbb2476 12 күн бұрын
Now that’s crazy and seemingly a bad idea with or without sail area.
@AwestruckAudioHertz
@AwestruckAudioHertz 16 күн бұрын
Why does this scream corruption on so many levels?
@SSPDIVING
@SSPDIVING 16 күн бұрын
Something just feels off about this whole situation
@AwestruckAudioHertz
@AwestruckAudioHertz 16 күн бұрын
@@SSPDIVING it doesn't get more obvious on this. The fact that BOTH of those people died after the court hearings and within 48 hours after each other.. I mean come on.. I'm not a fucking idiot. Governments are getting ballsy
@RedGummyBears-g3g
@RedGummyBears-g3g 15 күн бұрын
Challenge for you... Name one thing in the Biden administration which does not scream corruption. I can't think of any. It's really Democrats across the board. Wherever you find them you will find crime, destitution, suffering, defeatism, poverty, illegal aliens and more than a few Dems taking advantage of a crisis.
@AwestruckAudioHertz
@AwestruckAudioHertz 14 күн бұрын
@@SSPDIVING couldn't agree more
@Hhllbb2476
@Hhllbb2476 12 күн бұрын
@@AwestruckAudioHertzImagine who the Italian boatbuilder is related to, who he has connections with, and his current and future construction contracts in jeopardy. Highest level big money. His behavior is appalling regardless of findings.
@jaapsmit2087
@jaapsmit2087 8 күн бұрын
Teseo Tesei was an Italian naval officer and inventor, known for creating the human torpedo, also called the "Maiale" (Italian for "pig") His contributions are honored by the Italian Navy through the **Comando Raggruppamento Subacquei e Incursori "Teseo Tesei" (COMSUBIN)**, which translates to the **Divers and Raiders Group Command "Teseo Tesei" This unit is the Italian Navy's special operations force, specializing in underwater and raiding operations
@oldmech619
@oldmech619 15 күн бұрын
You mentioned something about nitrogen narcosis. I never had a problem with a euphoric feeling but I did have my arm twitching and twitching in the brain. Nothing that I couldn’t control. You mentioned Oxygen Toxicity Symptoms: Twitching or muscle spasms. So O2 is what I was fighting. Wow Thanks for the video. Great coverage on the diving.
@SSPDIVING
@SSPDIVING 15 күн бұрын
Wow, what depths and what breathing gas were you using? Underwater convulsions or seizures freak me out. I hope it’s nothing I have to experience. In my teens I worked at a restaurant and found a co worker having his first seizure in the back bathroom. It was a busy night, no one would have went back there for a while. Thankfully was able to get him some help in time. He was very thankful. Can’t imagine dealing with something like that underwater but from what I hear the biggest risk is simply the regulator falling out of you’re on scuba.
@oldmech619
@oldmech619 15 күн бұрын
@@SSPDIVING 50m with air. Bottom time 5 minutes. It really wasn’t bad. Just keep my mind focused. Most of my other deep dives were 35m. You need a good reason and in good physical shape to be at those depths. You also loose a lot of color. Most dives were 30m. I knew of O2 toxicity but never put the two together until you mentioned it. My diving has long passed. Thanks
@ajdahun
@ajdahun 13 күн бұрын
Yeah. Getting narc'd is fleeting at best. Plus when you dive deep air every 12 hours, you won't get narc'd after a while. O2 toxicity usually happens huffing O2 in the DDC. A good acronym is VENTID. Vision (blurry), Ears (ringing), Nausea, Tingling, Irritability, Dizziness. It's different from taking "and O2 hit". But it can be a precursor. My finger tips used to tingle at the end of my chamber runs.
@oldmech619
@oldmech619 13 күн бұрын
@@ajdahun Thanks for the info. I knew of one diver whose wife would fall asleep when she went about 30m deep. Her husband thought it was a bit funny. I thought it was dangerous. Never dove with them again.
@PeterPeter-rj7se
@PeterPeter-rj7se 15 күн бұрын
The way I was taught re. port & starboard. "There is no PORT LEFT in the bottle". Port is red in colour, which means that Starboard is on the right & is green 😉
@Pamudder
@Pamudder 15 күн бұрын
On small yachts with centerboards or daggerboards, it is a normal practice to raise the board when sailing downwind. This reduces drag and increases speed.
@michellefields2115
@michellefields2115 7 күн бұрын
Thank you for this information. I'm sure this was alot of work for you to do I liked the video and subscribed.
@SSPDIVING
@SSPDIVING 7 күн бұрын
Thank you for the kind words! Yes, tens of hours of research. Like most of you I was initially intrigued, just decided to share my findings. Cheers🙏🏼🤙🏼
@jjde8424
@jjde8424 15 күн бұрын
The percentage possibilities of two defendants in a multi-billion dollar fraud case, just happen to die within two days of each other? Some thing else is at play here.
@juliettedonohue7069
@juliettedonohue7069 15 күн бұрын
black magic maybe. but strange indeed.
@brianobrian6637
@brianobrian6637 14 күн бұрын
Do a Google search when the news broke about the sinking. I'm paraphrasing but something like "Something is not right about Mike L's yacht sinking + partner dying within 24 hrs of each other" THAT was the headline. I'm curious if that can even still be found. Whoever wrote that article I feel hit the nail on the head basically immediately
@juliettedonohue7069
@juliettedonohue7069 14 күн бұрын
@@brianobrian6637 it certainly is a strange coincidence.
@Hhllbb2476
@Hhllbb2476 12 күн бұрын
@@brianobrian6637I doubt it changes the legal cases much or that anyone would benefit from the proximity of deaths. Flukes happen often! Come up with something logical and I’m open.
@peggypasson8794
@peggypasson8794 5 күн бұрын
If not for the weather event I would be suspicious to but that's what caused this entire incident no one can control the weather 😢 prayers for all in involved 😢
@Joenathewashe
@Joenathewashe 7 күн бұрын
excellent video
@rossprentice4975
@rossprentice4975 17 сағат бұрын
What I've read and heard ,it was a centreboat not a lifting keel and it's purpose was to improve the windward performance and only improve the righting moment fractionally
@pauljalbert5454
@pauljalbert5454 15 күн бұрын
Great time listening and learning from you. Thank you
@2oqp577
@2oqp577 16 күн бұрын
The odds of this ship sinking was in its name.
@paolognecchiruscone9081
@paolognecchiruscone9081 15 күн бұрын
The modern Italian commando frogmen group Comando Raggruppamento Subacquei ed Incursori Teseo Tesei (COMSUBIN) is named after Teseo Tesei (3 January 1909 - 26 July 1941) was an Italian naval officer, who invented the human torpedo (called Maiale, Italian for "pig") used by the Regia Marina during World War II.
@gunslinger4203
@gunslinger4203 6 күн бұрын
Fantastic Video! Thank You!
@SSPDIVING
@SSPDIVING 6 күн бұрын
Thank you for the kind words and for the super thanks!!🙏🏼
@maggiemacdonald1048
@maggiemacdonald1048 13 күн бұрын
AMAZING INTERESTING VERYVWELL EXPLAINED thank u for this very dangerous job ur doing GodBless u All cant wait to see outcome of this Tradgedy so many possibilties to what caused it
@widescreennavel
@widescreennavel 16 күн бұрын
Two words that the ocean laughs at, virtually unsinkable.
@SSPDIVING
@SSPDIVING 16 күн бұрын
Couldn’t agree more
@stevegrill4284
@stevegrill4284 8 күн бұрын
You missed my point which is that this vessel had a lifting keel, goes straight up into the hull, not on a hinge. Functions as you explain for sailing, not usually used at anchor to prevent capsizing and would normally be fully "lifted" in shallower water 3:59
@rickworkman4608
@rickworkman4608 6 күн бұрын
Nope. Hinged as shown.
@forrestwebb6182
@forrestwebb6182 5 күн бұрын
Good and interesting overview. They should have SAT divers for this one. Way too limited on bottom time diving mixed gas at that depth. I'm sure it's just a matter of $$. You should put a link in to the story of the S. African cook stuck in the air pocket. Fascinating story of survival in an air pocket at depth. Also it was perfect for a saturation dive team, as they were able to keep him under pressure and de-sat. safely.
@antonomaseapophasis5142
@antonomaseapophasis5142 6 күн бұрын
9:09 “The Bayesian has a retractable keel” Pictured is what is often called a centerboard which moves about a pivot. The Bayesian has a lifting keel which is raised and lowered straight up and down. Lifting keels often incorporate a ballast weight at the bottom of the keel. The centerboard is just the weight of the board.
@SSPDIVING
@SSPDIVING 6 күн бұрын
At 12:50 you can see the drawings from Perini Navi which shows the keel is raised and lowered by a pivot. I’ve heard “centerboard” used interchangeably but mostly for “keels” that raise and lower straight up and down. Thank you for the correction my friend.
@juliettedonohue7069
@juliettedonohue7069 15 күн бұрын
Thank you very much, excellent content; not a diver but many explanations!
@helenorgarycrevonis2022
@helenorgarycrevonis2022 15 күн бұрын
Thank you! Excellent explanation for a lay person. The Yacht channel has communications issues which makes most of what he says so complicated its hard to follow. Could you comment on possibility of any nefarious actions to sink this boat, under the cover of bad weather, by some crew. Two billioners working for MI5/6 just do not die within 2 days by a coincidence.
@SSPDIVING
@SSPDIVING 15 күн бұрын
I’m actually very interested to learn that side of the story. If you have any resources can you please email me sspdiving@gmail
@StefanMochnacki
@StefanMochnacki 15 күн бұрын
Very weird indeed, but I think there were too many chance factors involved to make a deliberate action the likely cause. Still...
@regig.9493
@regig.9493 15 күн бұрын
I have no problems following anything on the yacht channel, is it the accent you have trouble with or what?
@SSPDIVING
@SSPDIVING 14 күн бұрын
Probably just some of the nomenclature. He’s very informative.
@IustinDornescu
@IustinDornescu 14 күн бұрын
@@helenorgarycrevonis2022 There are a few coincidences and rare events at play and it makes sense to ask "what if" and wonder if something nefarious happened. The danger is that of confirmation bias: a person chooses to believe in a theory (say he was murdered by spies), then looks at every piece of information that might align with that foregone conclusion, while ignoring and dismissing evidence of the contrary. The better way is to prove competing theories wrong and then look at what is left. Some people might want to dismiss the theory that a microburst could have knocked the yacht on its side beyond angle of vanishing stability. Others might want to prove that with the various doors, even on its side the vessel would have floated. Or people might check how quickly would a sleeping person escape the vessel when water is flooding etc. A person might also look at how complex is to stealthy attach a line to the top of the mast, then tug it unobserved with some submarine? to overcome yacht righting moment, maybe infiltrate an operative aboard to ensure the keel was retracted, certain doors were open and orchestrate crew to be on deck to handle furniture. Bottom line, be wary what you pay anyone who sells you their theories. Unfortunately for us, we don't have the data/information to know, so it will always boil down to give credence to some experts. I personally believe it was a black swan weather event that pushed the vessel beyond its design limits. It is unfortunate that all passengers below deck were trapped and lost their lives. But I confess I go with Occam Razor here. I think a conspiracy would be too complicated - but not impossible.
@retikulum
@retikulum 16 күн бұрын
What did we learn from history? Never climb on a boat that's claimed to be unsinkable.
@jfkastner
@jfkastner 13 күн бұрын
Lots of insights, thank you! Looks like a tough Job!
@SSPDIVING
@SSPDIVING 13 күн бұрын
The experiences and stories make it worth it! Thank you cheers🤙🏼
@mapleleaf902
@mapleleaf902 12 күн бұрын
New subbie due to your excellent education. I watch Esysman as well.
@SSPDIVING
@SSPDIVING 12 күн бұрын
Awesome! Welcome to the dive team, happy to have you on board🤙🏼
@lyfandeth
@lyfandeth 8 күн бұрын
Many subway cars have a problem with the sliding connecting doors, at each end of the car, opening and slamming closed as people pass through while the train is rocking. The problem was solved pre-WW2 by using an automatic gravity latch at the top of each door. Once it slides closed, it stays closed. But simply twisting the door handle unlocks it as you open the sliding door. The same latches would have kept the sliding doors on the Bayesian closed. If the designer thinks the problem is unsolvable, he's at least 75 years behind the times. He screwed up big time if those doors couldn't be kept under control.
@elderbob100
@elderbob100 15 күн бұрын
Best bachground ever!
@SSPDIVING
@SSPDIVING 15 күн бұрын
🤣🤣
@EdwardTilley
@EdwardTilley 9 күн бұрын
interesting detail here. Will be very interested to see the hull lifted.
@SamSung-ww3rp
@SamSung-ww3rp 16 күн бұрын
The only things unsinkable have already sunk
@Spamhard
@Spamhard 16 күн бұрын
Super interested in this one. Heard on the radio a bunch about it sinking but there was so little info said about it. Looking forward to getting through the video.
@SSPDIVING
@SSPDIVING 16 күн бұрын
Yeah I remember hearing about it one day then that was the last of it. I can’t remember if it was you or another viewer that recommended the Bayesian to me but I’m glad someone did. I learned a lot and there will be more to come.
@Spamhard
@Spamhard 15 күн бұрын
@@SSPDIVING Yeah, the diving footage and boat info you provided was super interesting, with a good commentary along with it. I like hearing about these sort of things, but it's hard to find channels that aren't stuck on clickbait titles, putting on stupid low voices to make it sound dramatic or straight up AI written and voiced. Keep it up! (But don't over work yourself)
@lynnrhodes2926
@lynnrhodes2926 10 күн бұрын
Tremendously interesting. Thank you.
@roadboat9216
@roadboat9216 14 күн бұрын
The builders/designers are doing thier best to blame the crew. Wrong. The crew were not at fault. The blame is clearly in the design of this vessel. This is a very large company that is trying to shove the blame on the crew. I have followed this from day one. I am a professional diver also and a master captain of a 300 passenger ferry. I have “been around the block”.
@christophmahler
@christophmahler 16 күн бұрын
Special Forces: 'We are not here - _read our lips_ ...' Completely normal. Nothing to see - blame the chef.
@oxman1834
@oxman1834 13 күн бұрын
I have never been diving. What happens if you have to sneeze or does that not happen when your underwater breathing from a regulator?
@SSPDIVING
@SSPDIVING 13 күн бұрын
You know what that’s a great question! When we exhale say through a scuba regulator for example all of our air we exhale leaves the regulator through the exhaust on the sides of the regulator… same principle applies if we sneeze. I think it’s a natural reaction to put one hand on my mask to make sure it doesn’t slip off my face lol To be honest it doesn’t happen often. 1) we have filtered air probably cleaner than the air both you and I are breathing as I’m writing this. So breathing in anything you’re allergic to is pretty much eliminated. 2) if on scuba, you will be mouth breathing anyways so not much to irritate your nose. Only things we have to be cautious of is diving with a stuffy nose, etc. as it can cause blockages and sinus squeezes which hurt like a mofo. I’ve only had one that was bad early in my career, that was enough for me to pass on diving with a cold from there on out lol
@oxman1834
@oxman1834 13 күн бұрын
@@SSPDIVING Thank you for the information!
@Lakridza67
@Lakridza67 15 күн бұрын
Fascinating video. Well done👏🏻👏🏻
@SSPDIVING
@SSPDIVING 15 күн бұрын
Appreciate that, glad you enjoyed it!
@Lakridza67
@Lakridza67 15 күн бұрын
@@SSPDIVING absolutely. Very informative and engaging. I am so glad I stumbled across your channel today. The research is really good.👏🏻
@SSPDIVING
@SSPDIVING 15 күн бұрын
Thank you so much for the kind words! Make sure you subscribe there will be plenty more to come! Cheers🤙🏼
@marcodado7473
@marcodado7473 3 күн бұрын
The so called "Comando raggruppamento subacquei e incursori «Teseo Tesei»" also known for short as Comsubin, it's an elite battalion part of the italian Navy and it's subdivided in two groups: the first one called Gos (Subaqueous operative group) and it's most likely the one that intervened in this instance.
@3613jeremy
@3613jeremy 10 күн бұрын
I cant remember where i seen it or if it was even considered hot tapping but it seemed identical with the exception of them using some kinda suction cup system to lock the valve down to to the hull of the ship but i definitely enjoyed hearing a professional point of view
@SSPDIVING
@SSPDIVING 10 күн бұрын
You know what, that’s a great point. I haven’t seen a suction cup system but I’ve used suction cups underwater before. They would probably work well on this smooth aluminum hull.
@Paul-k6w
@Paul-k6w 16 күн бұрын
Well Done, Thank You. LEFT and PORT are four letters.
@SSPDIVING
@SSPDIVING 16 күн бұрын
Haha I always forget about that one! Cheers 🤙🏼
@Paul-k6w
@Paul-k6w 15 күн бұрын
@@SSPDIVING Several things about this boat are "misleading". This really isn't a sailboat. It has two engines and the above-water surface area of a motor yacht. It is a motor-sailboat. Even the smallest of sailboats can point into the wind and survive just about anything. I suspect the inability of this motor-sailboat to point into the wind caused many problems. The retracting keel can help with stability, but its primary use is in upwind sailing. The aluminum mast was a big mistake. Aluminum is too heavy and carbon fiber should have been used. Putting the biggest aluminum mast on a motor sailor is just looking for trouble.
@StefanMochnacki
@StefanMochnacki 15 күн бұрын
In elementary school, we were taught, "I left Port".
@flowsnake8732
@flowsnake8732 15 күн бұрын
Yes port is a shorter word than starboard, left is shorter than right, and red is also shorter than green. And "there's a bit of RED PORT LEFT in the bottle" (if you're lucky) ;)
@Hhllbb2476
@Hhllbb2476 12 күн бұрын
L is next to P, R is next to S but the red port in the bottle is good. Red like port is short, green like starboard is long.
@jfmezei
@jfmezei 13 күн бұрын
Was sent here by eSysman. s PADI just Advanced, I really appreciated the Nitrox/Heliox explanations. Portions of the footage was on the bridge, portions in the engine control room, I think you use "control room" for both. They would not have gone from engine control room up to bridge, they would have gone back out and then swam outside ship up to bridge (otherwise their cables wou;d have to be strung through all the complex corridors/stairs/doorways up to bridge) and they wouldn't be able to escape from bridge. Leaked videos always removes context and valuable information, it is just clickbait. It is like NTSB preliminatry reports that provide pictures of incident that were carefully chosen to prevent people making conclusions. Yet, you were able to extract plemty of info from it and thanks for taking the time to explain. On the salvage, MUST they epmty the fuel tanks? What if they infated a couple of balloons attached to the end of the mast, could this provide enough leverage to right the ship, at which point they could inspect the starboard side hull and if there is no damage, could raise it without needing to empty the fuel tanks? In a salvage operation would they try to replace the fuel with air to make ship less negatively bouyant? (I guess they would need to keep the valv open somwhere to prevent tank from overpressure as it rises if filled with air). Watertight doors are of use when there is a breach in the hull. But when the water comes from above, there is 0 protection.
@gdmonks1959
@gdmonks1959 13 күн бұрын
The fuel is way more buoyant than the water that surrounds it, oil floats on water! The reason for removal is mainly to prevent spillage and thus prevent pollution. Depending on the location of the ships fuel tanks can affect stability but I imagine they are low in the bottom areas of the hull
@edmundwest5636
@edmundwest5636 15 күн бұрын
Are stability calculations made with or without weight of furniture / fittings.
@NiteCourt
@NiteCourt 16 күн бұрын
"LEAKED" footage! Makes sense!
@SSPDIVING
@SSPDIVING 16 күн бұрын
Lmao My kind of humor 😂
@thedolphin5428
@thedolphin5428 15 күн бұрын
Why not just lift the top of the presently horizontal mast to vertical to at least get the hull upright. Then, surely, bringing the hull upwards to a more manageable dive depth would be greatly advantageous.
@SSPDIVING
@SSPDIVING 15 күн бұрын
To do that I would imagine they would need to rig directly to the mast, probably 50’ or so from the top of the mast since it will be sticking out if the water if stood vertical. The rigging location on the mast would need enough strength to secure rigging to. (Either a crane from the barge or flotation, which it would take a lot of) With smaller pleasure crafts we have rigged lift bags to the top of the vessel or the fly bridge in order to right the vessel first. After that we’ll rig belly straps under the hull OR lift bags below the gunnel. Once it’s at the surface, pump out the water and let it float OR pick it up and set it on a barge. Anyways… I don’t even know how to calculate for this vessel but in short, the rigging needed may be too much work than sliding some belly straps under the vessel and lifting with a crane. It will in theory right itself, they may rig something to the mast, or may cut it all together. Not sure but I’m excited to see how the salvage unfolds. I will provide updates when it happens. Cheers.
@hughajk
@hughajk 13 күн бұрын
Well done. Am just a PADI AOW but have been down to 55M while qualifying but only know a little of the world of commercial diving through reading. Yes, I was immediately struck by the bottom time being so short for the initial divers and was interested in your comments about gas types/mixes as a professional diver. Wreck penetration with all the gear must have been hard and even more so with the lines to keep clear. I too wondered about having the tender inside the wreck although it does happen with cave diving, but they tend to stick with SCUBA rather than using an air umbilical. As for your comments about the quality of first video, it was done just after the storm so wouldn't the sediment have been stirred up, even at that depth?
@lyfandeth
@lyfandeth 8 күн бұрын
55 meters is 180 feet. The normal limit for recreational diving is 130 feet, so 180 becomes a risky bounce dive. The Italians "had to" dive on surface air, simply because working for prolonged times at that depth requires long decompression times. And that means lots of bottles and swaps, or surface air. I assume they were diving on air, not mixed gasses. First, because that's the surface air supply. Second, you can see the twin tanks have no color code for mixed gas. I think Italy follows the international convention of using large black and white segments on the tanks to mark that. Unmarked tanks are air--same as the US. PADI used the standard USN tables for many years. I raised that point with a USN Chief Diving Medical Officer, and he confirmed that is WRONG. "If you need a wetsuit, you need to use the COLD WATER TABLES." Which basically bump you up and back 2 steps in the NDT tables. Again, making 55 meters a risky bounce dive. PADI may have their own custom tables now?
@vincentchevallier9177
@vincentchevallier9177 7 күн бұрын
AOWD at 55 m??? You are a idiot and so is your instructor!!!!!..
@jo.s7993
@jo.s7993 7 күн бұрын
@hughajk When I was a PADI Divemaster in the nineties, we used Canadian dive tables, because they were the most conservative. Thirty meters was the recreational limit at that time, but we were dry suit diving off the Cornish Coast of the UK I.e. the North Atlantic, so cold water. Maybe things have changed in the twenty - five plus years, but I'm surprised that your instructors were happy with you diving to fifty-five meters, as an advanced open water diver on air.
@inttubu1
@inttubu1 14 күн бұрын
Ok now where is the Bridge…i’ve the money to buy it.
@SSPDIVING
@SSPDIVING 14 күн бұрын
which bridge
@michelebush2138
@michelebush2138 7 күн бұрын
Sounds like there was a lot more on that boat then in the safe. Crazy.
@PatrikKeil-w5v
@PatrikKeil-w5v 15 күн бұрын
FYI Teseo Tesei (3 January 1909 - 26 July 1941) was an Italian naval officer, who invented the human torpedo (called Maiale, Italian for "pig") used by the Regia Marina during World War II.. in the italian (marine) corps it is quite standard to name a team with a former (military) hero the dives were supposingly done with trimix and in case I expect, at least on the most experienced or specialized units, with rebreathers I think the most already know that these provide mixture ratio optimization with the onboard computer Apart of leaked videos I would assume the most of things, facts and information as well as emplyed persons and equipment is not disclosed
@brianperry843
@brianperry843 14 күн бұрын
Given the Special Forces divers total dive time I would think dry suits would be used for thermal comfort. Was that what you were referring to regarding the hose for the diver’s buoyancy? Without that hose connection the diver would experience quite a suit squeeze.
@SSPDIVING
@SSPDIVING 14 күн бұрын
Sorry, I was referring to their BCD. Buoyancy compensation device. The vest they wear with the tank strapped to it. From what I can tell August & September water temps would still be close to 80 degrees F. Even now in October it appears to be 70F. So wetsuits are totally doable. Idk what thickness they are wearing so we have to make an educated guess but we can dive 50F for 1-2 hours no problem with 7mm wetsuits.
@WolframSCHROEDER
@WolframSCHROEDER 4 күн бұрын
Wikipedia: Teseo Tesei (3 January 1909 - 26 July 1941) was an Italian naval officer, who invented the human torpedo (called Maiale, Italian for "pig") used by the Regia Marina during World War II.
@patrickchase5614
@patrickchase5614 16 күн бұрын
wrt the tender entering the wreck, is it possible that there's a third diver acting as an additional tender outside of the wreck, or is that simply not done? If a penetration dive is particularly complex such that the umbilical needs tending at multiple points, could/would they send additional divers down?
@SSPDIVING
@SSPDIVING 16 күн бұрын
Oh it’s 100% possible. I sort of touched on that when reviewing the baby’s procedures for wreck diving. In fact the navy requires an additional in water tender for each level a diver penetrates they would also require one if the dive plan included two divers entering the wreck, The thing is, logistically I highly doubt they planned on that as they would need three divers plus an additional standby diver topside in case of an emergency. I speculate that diver 1 was having difficulty with the door and they allowed diver 2 to help considering the limited bottom times. This is of course, assuming they are following similar procedures to the United States Navy.
@patrickvonstieglitz5836
@patrickvonstieglitz5836 15 күн бұрын
While you are looking into the issue of the mast. Look at the fulcrum power that exhibited when two thirds of the mast is below the water line. The head of the mast as much as three metres below the surface. This is where the real Issue lies. How much power it takes to recover wether it’s full of water or not
@zombieshoot4318
@zombieshoot4318 15 күн бұрын
They might simply just cut the mast from the boat to make it easier to raise the boat.
@patrickvonstieglitz5836
@patrickvonstieglitz5836 15 күн бұрын
The investigation team already know the answered to the most important issues. The mast being removed absolute possibility by the time they have finished the boat will be in a million pieces.
@SkyeMeester
@SkyeMeester 15 күн бұрын
Stop labeling ships and boats as unsinkable! mother nature doesnt like that
@rickworkman4608
@rickworkman4608 6 күн бұрын
Especially boats that are designed to sink unless kept practically perfectly upright.
@garytatum8298
@garytatum8298 14 күн бұрын
Fascinating video. Maybe I missed it, but if the owner and lawyer did not survive, how did the divers know to get the hard drive? Did one of the surviving crew tell them that it was super important?
@SSPDIVING
@SSPDIVING 14 күн бұрын
The legal boat owner was actually Mike Lynch’s wife, Angela Bacares. She survived so I suppose she could have informed them. The captain also survived, I would imagine he knows that vessel better than anyone.
@chhindz
@chhindz 12 күн бұрын
Are there not many racing boats with an equal mast height to boat length ratio as Bayesian, and not such a radical departure as usually presented. Only standing out because there are no other sloops of this size?
@leevandyke8524
@leevandyke8524 15 күн бұрын
Amazing those 2 guys lost there life within 2 days of each other..
@maryodonnell5760
@maryodonnell5760 10 күн бұрын
you shouldn't say the sliding doors are open and use the yacht report as a reference -because he didn't know for sure whether they were open or closed, so you are building on a secondary source and it turns into rumour stated as fact... In addition, one of the short clips of a survivor describing things showed him motioning with his arms as if he were opening those two doors.
@RubBucC
@RubBucC 15 күн бұрын
Giovanni Constantino should be portrayed in all media around the world as what he is, namely an inhuman being. Otherwise he would not be able to condemn the captain and the team so hastily.
@irishmal1
@irishmal1 12 күн бұрын
Port and left have the same amount of letters
@vektracaslermd743
@vektracaslermd743 17 күн бұрын
What is it about big boats that people see them and think, "Surely it must be unsinkable!"
@SSPDIVING
@SSPDIVING 17 күн бұрын
The Costa Concordia is a great example. I guess technically it didn’t sink though it ran aground 😂
@tjroelsma
@tjroelsma 16 күн бұрын
Because the builders/owners always boast about the boats being unsinkable because they have watertight seperations, bouyancy that supposedly is greater than any amount of incoming water can overcome etc. Essentially, people tend to believe the lies that they're being told.
@user-se7vt5ow4e
@user-se7vt5ow4e 15 күн бұрын
As a retired yacht captain I always hated those large sliding glass doors and even more so the large transom doors. The last yacht I was on the sliding glass doors used compressed air to open and close the doors but if the compressor quit and the air pressure dropped the doors would freely open and close. The large transom doors are usually electric over hydraulic. There was a switch on the transom to open and close the door, the switch was supposed to be water proof but water got into the switch it shorted and the transom door opened while we were at sea. Murphy’s law is in full effect when you are at sea.
@tinkeringwithmark1186
@tinkeringwithmark1186 12 күн бұрын
What about a diving bell 75 ft. down. Would that not help?
@nilequeen1869
@nilequeen1869 15 күн бұрын
Teseo Tesei according to Spinnaker is a person. "In the annals of naval warfare, there are innovators whose ingenious creations forever alter the course of history. One such luminary is Teseo Tesei, an Italian naval officer whose pioneering work in the development of human torpedoes transformed the face of naval strategy during World War II. In this blog post, we delve into the remarkable life and achievements of Teseo Tesei, often hailed as the "Father of Human Torpedoes," and explore the profound impact of his innovations on naval warfare. "
@nilequeen1869
@nilequeen1869 15 күн бұрын
1909-1941 Teseo Tesei
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