The Bittersweet Truth About What We Eat

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What should we be eating to live a long and healthy life?
How is it that some people can eat absolutely anything and stay slim, while others on a ‘healthy’ diet get fat?
Why is it that Cubans are much healthier than Americans, despite eating on average twice the amount of sugar?
To unpack the truth behind the often confusing information about the food we eat, Intelligence Squared brought together some of the world’s leading experts on the science of human nutrition and health.
Sugar has recently replaced saturated fat as the nutritional enemy number one. The theory is that it messes with our metabolism and causes heart disease, obesity and diabetes. Arguing that sugar is the tobacco of the new millennium in our event was acclaimed science writer Gary Taubes, whose new book The Case Against Sugar has been making waves on both sides of the Atlantic. No one doubts that consuming a lot of sugar is unhealthy, but does the ‘sugar is poison’ theory really tell the whole story?
A different explanation lies in a subject that has been getting a lot of attention recently - our gut microbiome. This is made up of the trillions of bacteria that inhabit our intestines and help digest our food and keep us healthy. The bad news is that the diversity of our microbes has plummeted in recent years due to the narrower range of foods and the predominance of processed junk in the Western diet. Research indicates that, rather than any single foodstuff being to blame for the rise of obesity and other modern diseases, the root of the problem lies in our depleted microbiomes. Setting out the new research on our gut bacteria and debunking many popular myths about diet was Tim Spector, an award-winning scientist who runs the British Gut project. What makes the subject even more fascinating is that we all have a very individual cocktail of bacteria in our gut, and research shows that the way we respond to food relates more to our own specific set of microbes than the calories in the food itself. Joining us were Eran Segal, one of world’s leading scientists in this field, who will explain how his lab can wire you up and predict precisely which carbohydrates you should and shouldn’t eat so as to prevent weight gain and be healthy. The results can be surprising. In 60% of cases, they show that you can enjoy sugary ice-cream but should avoid rice.
A sharp critic of many of the ‘fashionable’ theories about diet and wellbeing is Sarah Jarvis, a GP who appears regularly on BBC radio and television. Her goal is to help her patients and the general public get the best quality information on nutrition and lifestyle so that they can make the informed decisions they need to be in control of their health.
Chairing the event was Xand van Tulleken, a medical doctor and popular television broadcaster, who with his twin brother Chris, has presented a number of documentaries, often testing various diets on their identical genes.

[@chazwyman8951]

Most people are not going to have the time, or money to "personalise" their diet, but if they want to guarantee zero insulin spikes then all they have to do is cut out sugar and refined carbs.

[@lowlines3239]

I'd like to say that this panel completely missed the mark by under emphasizing the psychological component of food choice. Also missing from this the discussion was the fact that restaurants are for profit businesses and menus are designed to exploit evolutionary responses instead of healthy eating. Because the food industry has to complete to stay in business, they have to design their products to maximize pleasure response from the customers. Until we tackle this evolutionary exploitation problem, we are not going to make any real progress in fixing the mass eating disorder at the heart of so many of our problems.

[@joeschmo5699]

In fact, there is an easy solution to the "problem"...and that would be to get back to preparing, cooking food at home and taking it with you. It is true that eating establishments have a vested interested in trying to sell you as much food as they can for as little capital investment as they can. That means pre-cooked, processed, cheap ingredients and all the rest of it, that is standard, even in "good" restaurants. I am a big skeptic of the palatability hypothesis and a big advocate of the cheap food full of artificial flavors being easy to sell hypothesis. Stop eating out all the time, people!

[@redhotz21]

joe schmo Preach it brother!

[@Vannie1958]

@@joeschmo5699 Absolutely we should stop eating out so much. When I was young, in the 1970s here in the UK, we only ever ate out as a 'treat' for a special occasion as it was too expensive. The local pubs rarely provided meals, maybe just a sausage roll, pork pie or pasty. Now it's rare for a pub not to serve meals as everyone expects it. And the portion sizes, while not as big as in the US are far bigger than most people need in one meal, especially if you add a 'starter' and 'dessert' into the mix. My husband and I nearly always share a starter and/or dessert if we are going out to celebrate with a meal. Back in the 'old days' we didn't have all the coffee bars either - it was a case of maybe having a cup of tea at the Joe Lyons Corner House or in the local department store, if we were desperate! How times have changed...

[@saracorbin1152]

Blaming restaurants is a cop-out. No one has to go to them at all.

[@johnchoquette3728]

I agree - the host did (briefly - in passing) touch on the importance of one's "psychology" - one's inner states - but, no one went with it . If one is constantly morose, depressed, conflicted ( generally miserable - mostly unconsciously ) , THAT can be a HUGE factor as to why one is not sufficiently motivated to even care about diet .

[@paulm1241]

Gary Taubes isn't the only one to blame sugar and the science behind it is well established today, see e.g. books by Robert Lustig.

[@tonytirado9296]

Bravo to all the panel. This is science and historically it changes. Appreciate the information being brought forth to address an area it seems not being addressed. Let's see where this takes us.

[@pmartbrown]

I think it's great to see different views discussed at the same time. It's unfortunate that some members of the panel had a hard time being challenged, but I was impressed with the debate they were able to have.

[@christinathompson1630]

Our knowledge has increased so much from the six years that this broadcast. There should be links to more recent research. Even Tim Spector wasn’t differentiating between processed (ok) and ultra processed (definitely not ok and to be avoided if at all possible).

[@rccantrell4436]

As some people said, everyone is different. I lost about 75 pounds and kept it off for three years with exercise alone once. It was, however, slow but sustained walking, which is not what most people do to lose weight.

[@nancykraus5127]

One of them mentioned Japan and thought their weight was from a balanced diet. That is only half of it. Much of Japan is set up to walk, not drive, to get around. Their train and bus system in every city and even out in the suburbs is phenomenal. They have far less car ownership per Capita than other similar sized countries. So keep on walking.😊

[@marysmythe625]

Great panel, very interesting! I would love to attend one of these meetings/conferences in the U.K. where can I find out when they are on?

[@childwaters]

Takeaway: 1) avoid sugar at all costs (nothing new). 2) Gut biome research is in its infancy and irrelevant to most of us because it is highly personalized and we can't be in long-term, expensive studies to determine our particular biome (none too helpful). 3) Nutritional science is poor and in its infancy, way too influenced in the past by oversimplification, popularization, lack of serious attention (probably because there's not a lot of payoff for corporations in it), and, indeed, corporate resistance (also not helpful). 4) Keep doing the obvious things if you want to be healthier--dump the processed foods and eat as much fruit and veg, as little meat, as possible.

[@Emezel]

Thanks , you saved me a lot of time, and if he said eat as little meat as possible then it wasn't even worth a watch.

[@NordicFrog]

@@Emezel Yeah. If some one tells me to eat as little meat as possible, I can't take that person seriously.

[@viking-astronaut]

It should be red meat specifically to avoid, no? Eat more white meat and fish instead.

[@NordicFrog]

@@viking-astronaut And why should we avoid red meat?

[@highchief7724]

Meat is optimal diet for humans. Fruits and veggies stuff not so good.

[@joedatuknow]

Thanks for the video

[@TT-ht4ul]

The presenter summarized the danger of discussing immature incomplete research results in forums targeting the general public: here 45:20 - lots and lots of confusion!! Follow common sense: eat whole food, not too much, move more, sleep well, manage stress and be happy!

[@felipearbustopotd]

We spent 2 millions as Hunter Gathers. We did not have food 24/7, nor did we have sugar in the quantity as we do now. Inuits live on mostly FAT, Maasai mostly on raw Meats, raw milk, honey and raw blood from cattle-note that the Maasai cattle are of the Zebu variety. We in the WEST eat food that is both HIGH in Fat AND sugar (bad combo) and it is HIGHLY processed. Go Gary.

[@lesliecurran1704]

People miss the point that these people in the past may have eaten a lot of meat, or not, as is evidenced by archaeology, however, what was the life expectancy of these people? 20-30 years? There is o doubt overall the explosion of processed foods and SIMPLE sugars is causing havoc, as well as high amounts of saturated and other fats, really, the standard American diet is a hot mess.

[@nancykraus5127]

After hearing the entire thing, I came away with one main thing, that each one thinks their way is the ONLY right way. They mentioned Japan early on and totally ignored that in Japan it is the combination of things that make them so healthy. The per capita of car ownership is smaller, their towns and cities are fantastic for public transportation. You can actually walk to the local shops because there are many in most towns. They have not had corporations take over every area with just one big supermarket. Their diet is balanced among most of the methods of diet they all brought forward. And blowing off exercise is ridiculous. It is not going to help if it is the only thing you do. Your diet has to change. But to be healthy your body needs tone, your heart is a muscle, muscles need exercise. And the definition that people are overweight just because they eat too much is also a myth. So many of us have jobs where we sit all day. People who do shift work have been proven to gain more weight because you come home, eat dinner and then go to sleep especially for those who works third shift! This effects a large portion of the lower income brackets in America. If they could all put their egos aside and compare notes to what is working in each of their studies and then combine them we would all be a lot better off. one lady even asjed them when were they going to work together to combine research and not a one answered the question nor did the host even put it to them. Combined studies are what we need at this point.

[@Mark999999999]

Exercise was not blown off, it was discussed.

[@PeachesCourage]

I also like the bio rhythm idea because if you can compare what you eat exercise etc To one before as was said you can learn what your body seems to like . What I think too is the pathogens we have inside and outside of us. How are they affecting us? Coupled with the food, exercise and stress we cope with? What if certain diseases are created specific to your genetics that create insulin resistance? An immune response from your body chemistry ?

[@ghabrielmelooliveira1426]

more water and physical exercise, fresh and whole foods, less drugs and processed food.

[@MsKingusbaby1]

Great debate, what I missed is topic on carbs particularly grains, as they are often demonised. Everyone thinks sugar is bad but prof. Spector recommends legumes and whole wheat as fibers along with variety of veggies, while some other doctors like dr Chatterjee does not eat gluten and takes his diabetes patients off carbs completely. ->So the takeaway for me is fasting is good, plenty of veggies are good, sugar is bad, but what about starchy veggies and whole or durum wheat, and rice? Or according to Segal it depends on the individual.. still confused a bit. I am trying to keep up my veggies, minimise my processed foods, eat some saturated fats(which are natural unprocessed like butter) and exercise. Hopefully it will do good for me.

[@AsmaSohailMRTH]

Also, we need to look at the impact of the circadian cycle in the human body. We it seems have a higher metabolic rate and higher energy levels early in the day and start winding down in the evenings. So we need to get up early at sunrise exercise and then eat breakfast as brunch and then have an early dinner and sleep early. This ensure fat burning and a better over health

[@lesliecurran1704]

complex carbs like unprocessed grains -- millet, kasha, oats, are what keep my sugar cravings at bay. They are grounding and satisfy the need for complex carbs, in addition to veggies.

[@ThyroidVsKeto]

very interesting and makes me re-evaluate dr Xand Can Tulleken whom I questioned after the BBC Documentary The truth ABout Carbs, seeing him in a context with Gary Taubes and considering the points makes me think the way that documentary was designed had some bias which he couldn't shake further than calling fibre green carbs. anyway, glad to see this attitude of his

[@vcoonrod]

Gary Taubes is a true genius. He tried to explain data, but even on this panel they have pre set opinions which they resist changing to reflect best data. Egos need to take a back seat when so much is at stake.

[@doctork1708]

His unscientific opinions have been debunked over and over again . He must be saying what you already believe.

[@timidtom]

@@doctork1708 Let's debunk him once again. It's never too late. kzbin.info/www/bejne/bmfalGp5jJV_bKc

[@nusaibahibraheem8183]

Funny thing is he is probably the one doing what you accuse the other people of doing. He also admits that there is no evidence.

[@bethjohnson8414]

I read taubes book a long time ago, and he's one of the people who helped me combat inflammatory bowel disease. Been med free about 9 years at this point. Look at what our ancestors ate. Even the fruits and veggies today are much bigger and sweeter. That says something

[@Pete4875]

"The proof is in the pudding!" I started the Keto diet about 2 years ago.67 years old. I lost 100 lbs, Blood psi 175/95 - now 115/50, A1C high normal - now normal. Off CPAP machine. Knee pain mostly gone - Doctors wanted to give me a new knee. Drugs for retaining water - now off of them. Skin tags disappeared like magic. Brown crunchy spots on my skin disappeared. Energy has doubled. Prostate is getting better - still taking drug. I am stalled at 190 lbs but I seen to be still getting skinnier! Read anything that Gary Taubes written!!!!

[@davidr1431]

Superb. Congratulations.

[@hurbit123]

What is as important as 'what' we eat, is 'how/when' we eat. It is important to always have prolonged periods of no food (min 6 to 7h) during the day plus 12h evening/night/morning fast and only eat max. 2 meals (generous ones) in the 5h feeding window. Basically do what is now popularised as 'intermittent fasting' which proved to be so incredibly effective to prevent fattening and all kind of desease. This fasting regulates and rebalances hormones, and cleans up all and prevents fattening and desease. These rich and quality meals should contain the required portion of greens but as well be a bit fatty, have some reasonable succulent portion of protein and be modest in carbs. A glass of wine or a piece of chocolate or other non-flower sweets will not make any damage. Just avoid the gross rubbish, such as highly processed flower products and resist the nice smell of our bakery shops full of tempting starch snacks which, if regularly eaten, will throw your system out of balance. The main reason for the obesity or diabetes epidemic is that many people do take in something every hour (sweet drinks, snacks ex.). By doing this, even with not too many calories (fruits, a yoghourt), weight gain and sickness is the certain result.

[@carogam3703]

hurbit123 *flour

[@TooJubeJM1]

I have always cooked with fresh ingredients but I regularly see people in supermarkets stocking up on ready mades in boxes.

[@hurbit123]

@@TooJubeJM1 yes. The time they may save for cooking, they are likely to loose to premature death.

[@jolesliewhitten6545]

Love Gary. Smart man.

[@PeachesCourage]

Personally I like that we are all very different. What makes us are the bacteria and germs all over even outside of us. What we look like actually is created by these bacteria/germs basically. Perhaps insulin spikes Etc are a direct response of our body to foods we actually should not be eating . That doesn't mean an easy answer because what your body response is now may not be later. I could cry really because that all of this is extremely complex has been my thought for sometime.

[@cassieoz1702]

The gut biome stuff is very much in itself infancy and much of the research published so far is as seriously crappy as the stuff Tim is criticising. They're still talking about some very weak correlations and predominantly animal models. It's being wilfully over-represented as causitive

[@Loreninha1972]

Dr Lair Ribeiro, Dr Jason Fung, Dr Juliano Pimentel should all be there too.

[@TNM001]

all good and well, alot of edge cases discussed, but one rule is very simple: you body can't store what you don't put in it. if you give ANY credibility to sience, like, physics...you can't explain that away. there is no gene, bacteria or hormone that will break the law and extract MORE energy out of anything that is there, that would make it magic. what this discussion shows is that we still really don't know, period. we are collecting data, we are analysing data, we are formulating theories, we are throwing out others, but we can't give any advice apart the "conservation of energy" principle (= eat less then your baseline to lose weight, more to gain weight).

[@beckynorthey4876]

I think the thing you are missing is that the body is a biochemical reaction to food. You can give the identical food to 10 people who are the same height, sex, age and have the same bone structure. Each each persons' body will do different things with that food. Some bodies will convert more of the food to fat storage, some to increasing heart rate or body temperature to burn thou the excess and more rarely some will build more muscle mass. The real question is why does that happen.

[@brucegarry8114]

Another panel discussing fasting might deliver the other half of the story.

[@maschinenraum]

the science around the microbiome is very interresting. but it does not show if insulin resistance is worsening or getting better. there are just lower spikes in blood sugar level. they are not showing if insulin spikes high or not or if insulin spikes faster or slower. i am now on a ketogenic diet and also have lower blood sugar now. but i did not test if my insulin resistance got better. well, i think so, cause i do not eat more animal protein - i guess - than before and i of course no eat much less carbs. to the insulin spiking factors are much lower which should make the insulin resistance better. well, should.

[@duncanwalker7125]

The failure to diferentiate between Glucose and Fructose metabbolism (early i n the discusion at least) has me thhinking the are going to miss the leading theories on the modern epidemic. Also the notion that insulin is a groth hormone has me wondering what page is being read from.

[@ninezerotwo1778]

Very true point; not many people I come across know the danger of fructose.

[@tomworrall190]

Is it possible to become obese on a no added sugar and no refined carbohydrate diet - assuming you’re not purposefully overeating just to prove a point?

[@edwardbanegas2153]

So the guy that did that diet study with a good diet and bad diet… his patients had to eat something and then get a blood glucose test in eat something else do the same test and eat something else into the same test over and over again until they were able to put a diet together for that specific individual??

[@virginiae2047]

These guys need to study Dr. Jason Fung's work.

[@durianriders]

fung is fat though??

[@howardbrammer4871]

Bull 💩

[@gracelynmeade5640]

Interesting, there needs to be more collaboration between researchers to enable the public yo have trust and confidence in their data. The truth and transparency is paramount for future optimum health of the world. Too much corruption in the food and big pharma.

[@viking-astronaut]

Okay grandma, you can stop it with the double spaces, you're not typing on a typewriter.

[@martin36369]

Surely not all artificial sweeteners are the same?

[@childwaters]

EXACTLY. Study after study by those heavily biased to find something wrong with them (i.e. food nazis who can't admit that people need these sweeteners like methodone to get off sugar once addicted) can't prove they have any bad effect. And they are chemically very, very different from each other (aspartame does have some bad digestive effects for a lot of people that sucralose doesn't). Talk about primitive bad science.

[@asedition8847]

I found this interesting but the opening comments about the down trodden GP really ittitated me, I’m so sick of hearing about the plight of GP.s …’crying in their bath’ I think not, they are far from the pity requiring underpaid individuals they protest to be, lazy entitled and intellectually condisending as well as a tad bitter about their station in life is more pertinent most of the time than not. Primary care in the UK is in a dire state and in no small part due to poor GP performance their excessive moaning and desire to do as little work for as much money as possible.

[@pixie3458]

The point is that the most 'fattening' food is a combination of processed carbs and cheap fats... It's quite difficult to eat a lot of fat without carbs

[@karenohanlon4183]

The GP is on the old eat less move more train. Even though Taubes is a journalist his evidence on the Pima is compelling. My money is on him.

[@bhopperlinc]

Gary got frustrated trying to talk logic to idiots.

[@dianastitt9971]

Good Discussion. In an ideal world is a cop out. The food could be available if (AND its a big IF) we allocated from the BILLIONs spent on health "care" and pharma to providing even a healthy choice in school for example.

[@martin36369]

What about viral causes of obesity like SMAM-1

[@mortenthorpe]

The reason that sugar makes you fatter and unhealthier than any other food ingredient is, that consuming sugar makes little to no difference in your feeling of being full - it’s all calories with no filling. Without pure sugar, we get the sugars from a variety of healthy sources through natural ingredients (not processed foods!), and then the delivery of sugars coincides with highly satiating other nutrients and fibers… So simply put, eating sugars does not make you feel full, eating real ingredients as food does…

[@pixie3458]

Absolutely!

[@isaiah7640]

It’s not only about physical appearance tho is it.

[@Aayushi13]

hahaha that comment on Zika, Ebola did not age well.

[@sweetelle2196]

Wish I could sign up to this Personalized Project. Have to live in Israel :(

[@susanneuhl771]

A very interesting and diverse discussion. But in the end it did not help me to choose the write way to loose weight. The opposite is the case, resignation!

[@2Langdon]

What a pathetically complacent attitude from the lady GP. She appears to always take the position that social factors are too powerful to counteract. Doesn't she CARE about her patients? I'm sure she does, but she does not appear to be prepared to take on the battle for them, to make clear to them how much power they really do have to change and improve their diet and health outcomes and the potentially dire consequences of diseases like diabetes. Blindness, amputations, heart problems are not trivial. She clearly has not interrogated the evidence sufficiently. Yes, being a GP is extremely difficult and pressured and time is in very short supply, but the choices are hers to make.

[@sarahsnowe]

She is clearly very frustrated by her patients' failure to buy cheap but good vegetables instead of ready meals when such items are available. This failure is multifactorial--turnipsandtiddlywink above outlines some of the social factors, and I would add a feeling of hopelessness and simple lack of cooking skills and sometimes cooking facilities--but it is a failure. Mobile fruit-and-veggie shops, pioneered in places like Portland, Oregon, would be a good start. Send the kids out to buy some carrots and cabbage instead of Mr Whippy.

[@patriciaharrisson6600]

i am very deaf and am very disappointed thst there are no captions

[@fluffgirl1000]

These days is more of what you can afford .to eat ..im ok if i dont eat all day i could loose a few kilos ..but family with children who pay high rent ..they eat what is cheap ..you should all see the price of broccoli this week.. it has rain nearly the whole month..blue berry 6 dollars a punnet they use to be 2 dollars..i bought them anyway because i like to support the farmers that are doing really tough this year

[@faylouise8169]

first line in is hooey, crikey,. oh goodness

[@susantjfl3147]

What a ridiculous final question - show of hands who is committed to changing their diet now!? To what exactly, when every “expert” on the panel came from a totally different perspective, surely this just muddied the waters. They couldn’t even all agree on one single aspect. Then... there was the ubiquitous book signing invitation (aka turning a buck in book sales) at the end. All came across as rather ego-centric and self-promoting.

[@martin36369]

or adenovirus 36 (Adv36)

[@carolinenorman6141]

A homeopathic doctor said to me if you put sugar into a cupboard for ten years it will be in perfect condition after ten years because even the bacteria won’t eat it

[@Simon1985_]

The same with McDonald’s burgers and fries.

[@carolinenorman6141]

Lol I didn’t know that 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁳󠁣󠁴󠁿

[@Simon1985_]

@@carolinenorman6141 I’m Scottish too! Small world 😃

[@carolinenorman6141]

@@Simon1985_ yes lol I’m in Glasgow

[@carolinenorman6141]

@@Simon1985_ have a look at a brilliant woman on utube Prun Harris an energy healer I wish I had found her years ago I'm now 70 I'm using her techniques now and feeling great .You look young take this seriously I've been into nutrition for years I juice berries and spices every day turmeric prevents alzheimer's

[@jesperburns]

1:09:01 Become scientifically literate...

[@mikemasail823]

There is no single way of eating (do not like the word diet, that implies restriction) that is good for everybody. 16 years ago I changed the way I eat because I had gone up to a staggering 110 Kg 171cm. I switched to a Plant BASED whole food diet, (emphasis on the word based) with about 20% of Calories coming from animal products. Today I weigh 64.5 Kg. Yes I do exercise about 8 hours a week (Cycling) Just to add I live on Oral steroids because of COPD. Steroids are supposed to make you fat. Not true, its what you eat. Lastly, a person eats 3 meals a day from about 2 years old. That's roughly 1000 meals a year for about 75 years. IE 75 000 meals in a lifetime give or take a few. If every once in awhile you go beserk and eat everything in sight, it will not effect your health, as long as you eat conservatively most of the time. Unfortunately so many people do just the opposite.

[@mothercandymaker2271]

Not necessary to diminish hear accomplishments to raise another up... unnecessary behaviour..time 5:28

[@elainesommers9109]

Should have had Dr John McDougall on there!

[@tonycollyweston]

ANY DISCUSSION ABOUT FOOD AND NUTRITION WITH INPUT FROM TAUBES IS NULL AND VOID

[@val-schaeffer1117]

This guy and his twin brother are ultimate DILF

[@howardbrammer4871]

Let help you. Fasting is the way to go.

[@melaniepetersen8589]

Gary has tunnel-vision and believed that sugar is the cause of everything. He was unwilling to listen to the other panellists and contemplate their theories. He just wants to blame sugar for everything. Yes sugar isn't good for you, but he believes that it is and is so closed-minded that he isn't willing to listen to the other panelists. He wasn't interested in discussing and learning.

[@JuliusUnique]

can someone give me a tldr?

[@LughSummerson]

Question: Why is everyone fat? Doc 1: "Maybe sugar?" Doc 2: "Maybe junk food?" Doc 3: "Maybe gut bacteria?" Doc 4: "Maybe it's different for everyone?" Everyone: "Dunno, LOL!"

[@jesperburns]

Lol that's not very accurate. Doc 1: Definitely sugar and in cause of doubt still sugar. Doc 2: Not only sugar but also saturated fat (which is not only junk food) Doc 3: Gut bacteria is a thing and you're destroying it by eating the wrong stuff. Doc 4: It's different for everyone.

[@johnrakthai]

UniQuE TV whatb does tldr stand for?

[@Skars911]

too long didnt read

[@TJ_USA]

Tim has a company that complicates the factors.. we mustn' pick on fat or sugar. This is manifestly false. It's sugar and carbs period. Otherwise what explains the explosion in obesity since the 1970s? it's processed foods which are full of sugar and which leave people feeling hungry. Taubes is the only person here who is at the races.

[@kiskaloo6843]

Seriously, how hard is it for parents to buy a hand of bananas or bag of apples instead of packets of biscuits or crisps? Fruit and vegetables is not expensive, fresh produce is cheaper than you think, people are just too lazy to cook properly

[@juliasherlock1757]

Lots more education is needed and accessibility of healthy produce is needed lots of people aren’t lazy they just don’t have the education to make healthy choices

[@immiegee]

@@juliasherlock1757 do you need education to know that a banana is healtier than a bag of crisps?

[@liamburns8554]

It’s called a hand of bananas! We call it a bunch of bananas in the UK

[@clareshaughnessy2745]

@@liamburns8554 nope, I call it a hand of bananas - unless I’m only buying two

[@liamburns8554]

@@clareshaughnessy2745 never heard that before, well not in the UK

[@maschinenraum]

the lady really seems to have no clue what difference the different kind of scientific studies are regarding the ability of conclusions. she really started with a correlation study and concluded that animal fats is bad. that's the same kind of false claim like thinking that firefighters are the reason for fire cause they are always there where fires are. quite the contrary: the ketogenic diet shows that you are fine with a lot of animal fat. and also the body stores excess blood sugar in the form of animal fat in the body cause it is the perfect kind of fat to store and use.

[@duncanwalker7125]

trouble is a lot of firebugs are firefighters LOL but point well taken.

[@Vannie1958]

She's an awful doctor. She often appears on TV or the radio in the UK and I have to switch off as she's so patronising and irritating to listen to. I'm not surprised that her patients don't take her advice!

[@Vannie1958]

I am not a great fan of Dr Sarah Jarvis, but am watching this anyway! However, if I were one of her patients, I probably wouldn't listen to her advice either - she has a very patronising attitude and delivery, which irritates the hell out of me!

[@watchcrap1]

This taubes guy has clearly gone down the rabbit hole with his sugar hypothesis. Is refined sugar good for you? no. Is it the leading reason for the worlds obesity probably not alone. Eat less of all refined foods and eat more whole foods.

[@thalesnemo2841]

Noissapmoc Ⓥ You clearly missed or have not understood his main point . The energy balance notion has been disproven! It is how your body reacts to the food you have eaten which is key. The infamous USDA food pyramid was not based on any science even at the 1977 Mc Govern hearing there were plenty of of objections that this was a dangerous move , which has been proven true! I have lost 40 lbs by going grains, potato free and doing LCHF diet . Diets are individualistic.

[@mstu8097]

Switching Sugar for Starch Leads to Less Fatty Liver in Kids www.ucsf.edu/news/2017/08/408151/switching-sugar-starch-leads-less-fatty-liver-kids

[@wmp3346]

What is in refined/processed foods? Gary hit the nail straight on. I tested his hypothesis and agree. Are there exceptions - probably but does mean he is incorrect

[@blindleadingtheblind5882]

THE SOLUTION IS EAT LESS . FASTING IS GREAT . EAT LITTLE FOOD. LESS LESS LESS

[@ash64ghost20]

BLIND LEADING THE BLIND not a good idea long term

[@worthdoss8043]

Eat more Toad in the hole. LOL

[@grfgonza]

I am 25:18 mins into the video. So far from other interviews he has done. He kind hops over the elephant in the room when it comes to Stomach microbiome. People who take or doctors who over prescribe antibiotics effect/damage your microbiome. So if your doctor prescribes antibiotics and doesn't take a sample to determine if you have a viral infection vs a bacterial infection you should not take it and seek a new doctor. Because prescribing antibiotics to see if it helps it really really bad. As it also effects your immune system which your stomach is apart of your immune system.

[@grfgonza]

Funny about a min later and he does talk about it. lol

[@lesliecurran1704]

80% of antibiotics are used in animal agriculture. What that translates to is, when you eat the flesh of animals treated with antibiotics, you are also ingesting those antibiotics. Ditto for dairy products. This is the main source of antibiotic overuse.

[@catherinegoodman7735]

This subject is so dumb because fats that harm us are always because they are mixed up with refined white flour or refined sugar, so we will never find the answer. We all know that refined flour and refined sugar which are not provided by nature are void of nutrition and will make us hungry. No one gets addicted to glugging down olive oil or coconut oil. Fat is 9 calories per gram, protein is 5 calories per gram, and carbs are 4 calories per gram. Therefore we can eat more food if we eat carbs and these carbs should not be based on lots of grains because they contain too many phytates and encourage ill-health. Beans and nuts need to be soaked or prepared to get rid of the lectins. So fresh, whole foods should be eaten and this may change depending on availability, where we live and the season. We may require more fat in the winter to keep us warmer and more fruit in the summer to keep us cooler. Some people cannot tolerate certain healthy foods, e.g. oranges or seafood may induce asthma, and peanuts may be dangerous for some. No one diet is suitable for everyone. All diets alter the gut microbe and we love anti-biotics which are unhealthy, soils are damaged and the microbes and nutrients in soil are depleted so there is a lot to consider. Fasting is healthy but we always consider what more foods do we need.

[@Phi1eap]

Heard about blue zones of longiviety? Common thing for those is that those people eat less processed foods and toxins and more beans (plant based, fiber-rich proteins which have phytochemicals that lowers insuline spikes of carbs even during next meal when you don't eat beans). Other common thing for blue zones is that people living in them, live traditional, 'primitive' lifestyle full of physical excercise outdoors. People in western world spent 90% of their time indoors, sitting in front of screens, with constant blue-light and EMF exposure, positive charged air and they are not grounded. People living in blue zones are not exposured to EMFs, they are exposured to constantly changing spectrum of light which regulates hormones, insuline sensitivity and mitochondria. You can actually eat light. Your mitochondria can produce ATP from near-infrared exposure, and that doesn't require dirty, free radical producing sugar burning. People with more sun exposure need less calories. There is more fundamental layer of electrons, magnetism and quantum physics that preceeds classical chemistry and is ommited in nutritional science. There is this guy Dr. Jack Kruse that try to grasp on it, but his not very good and creditential at properly rendering the subject. But there's definetaly something up to it and hopefully more people will put some work into it.

[@SuperKnowledgeSponge]

Lies. Okinawa one of the most famous of the blue zones eat loads of PORK.

[@RG-jf5ep]

@@SuperKnowledgeSponge They eat pork, but I wouldn't say "loads"

[@skippy6462]

@@SuperKnowledgeSponge that's what we call porky pies (lies)

[@debblouin]

I think Taubes makes a strong case against sugar, especially refined sugar and "added sugar" in processed foods. He runs afoul of many because he allows for animal fats as a good. Anyone who has an ethical objection to consuming animal fats is not going to like it. And anyone who loves their pizza and burgers is going to have a hard time. Nobody likes a killjoy. I have never met anyone who failed to reduce weight and improve serum cholesterol on the Atkins diet or on a LCHF diet. Where they fail is that our pizza, burger, soda culture celebrates carbs. Carbs are fun! Go to any BBQ and the table is spread with not just the grilled meats but is overflowing with potato and macaroni salad, chips, fruit salad (drowned in sweet cream), maybe brownies or cookies. Thanksgiving dinner is supposedly about the turkey, but it's really about the mashed potatoes and stuffing, and au gratin potatoes, and pumpkin and pecan pies, and cranberry sauce. We have spaghetti with garlic bread. We are a carb nation. Telling a carb nation that their go-to foods are killing them is not a particularly welcome message.

[@umka7536]

Debra Blouin So true. And sad.

[@ba0cbmft]

It's not a welcoming message, but it does work. The vast majority of human evolution was dominated by peoples that ate significantly more meat on average than grains or vegetables. Our digestive is proof of this. We are omnivores yet have the shortest small intestines, smallest cecum, and have more carnivorous features than you find in other mainly herbivorous primates. Our gut looks nothing like a gorilla or many of the fruit eating species. It looks more like a chimpanzee gut who are known to ritually murder and cannibalize each other for territory. The people that have ethical problems with this have ethical problems with all of nature so that will never be resolved. The decision to not eat carbs is about a long term dedication to better health and overall well-being. I switched over four years ago and have vastly improved health and weight so I advocate for high fat and strongly against sugar.

[@ApexRevolution]

Nohbdy You're so entirely wrong in everything you said. Human beings can barely digest meat, it causes immense harm inside of us and there is mountains of substantial science behind that. We are physiologically herbivores, just like chimpanzees by the way who less than 2% of their diet consists of meat. You fail in every way with knowledge. Humans didn't exist primarily on meat, they existed almost entirely on plants for millions of years, and meat eating is actually far more modern, only becoming a very significant part of our diet in the last roughly 15000 years. Humans have not evolved to eat lots of meat, the evidence and science is entirely clear.

[@redhotz21]

Keith Josh, read Lierre Keith's book The Vegetarian Myth: Food, Justice, and Sustainability. Among others. Everyone can have compassionate opinions, but when they start ignoring science, we all loose.

[@ApexRevolution]

redhotz21 I don't need to read a book whenever there are hundreds of academic peer reviewed journals backing up my opinions that have never been debunked.

[@gregandersen7896]

the trouble is that the answer to the lifestyle problems negate the need for most of our professional positions or invalidate the supposed purpose our sense of identity hinges on. it's a scary prospect so will occur sporadically in contrast to the contrary, perpetually. we don't have to maintain a relationship with the planet while embracing the societies consumer behavior. that fundamental relationship is neglected to the point that it's disregard fuels the defeat of the disciplined individuals attempt to support and guide fellow beings. this division from nature and the subsequent conflict is stemming from the wide spread misconception or notion that we are separate from nature. this is a result of views derived from egocentric mental processes. so long as we're attached to these recent and detrimental changes I see this going on. also, if your way of life or job is threatened by the truth then there lies a conflict of interest, or inherent bias when devoid of radical change. this is the case all over. open your eyes. think for yourself. save yourself. that's all you ultimately have. but what do I know.

[@danielinho1989]

I was thinking the exact same thing. So clear and simple. Couldn't have put it better.

[@LughSummerson]

Mr. Andersen, Vis-a-vis the assertion that the aforementioned detrimental changes regarding the consideration or misapprehension of anthropological isolation from the natural world are in some way neoteric, some mention must be made of the antediluvian conception of anthrogenesis (insomuch as we may surmise from the surviving literature) - i.e. that the nascence of Man is ensconced in the especial anthropocentric form that the divine celestial or celestials elected to constitute the telluric sphere - which, I think, manifestly evinces that such considerations or misapprehensions are indeed intrinsic to the innate disposition of humankind, edification through education notwithstanding. Ergo, enlightenment in such matters shall materialise not through a thorough rejection of the prevailing civilisation, but rather by its amelioration. Concordantly, it is with progress, especially in the area of pedagogy, that we may surmount these deficiencies.

[@gregandersen7896]

Lugh Summerson i appreciate the response. I agree with your conclusion but I can't say that you derived that in a sufficient manner in what was typed. your reference I'm not aware of as knowledge that's capable of being validated so can't be used for purposes of logical thought, relatively speaking. it appears to me that there is very little truth available to us if any, and this is represented or expressed in elaborate and complicated fashion without the more recent human technology advances. we've created an environment syntheticly that presents dangers that we know of one top of one's to come. if our sense organs were a spoon and life was a bowl of soup being eaten then the life opportunity that exists today for more as we continue this trend is as if you are having to eat with a fork. the sense of ego has been unnaturally expanded by the admiration of things we made of no substance while cultural rites of passage were forgotten about and stripped of meaning. we don't have to move backwards and can't but need to embrace the past. time is important to us as individuals, that's why we made it up, but it doesn't seem time matters much to matter.

[@gregandersen7896]

Lugh Summerson i appreciate the response. I agree with your conclusion but I can't say that you derived that in a sufficient manner in what was typed. your reference I'm not aware of as knowledge that's capable of being validated so can't be used for purposes of logical thought, relatively speaking. it appears to me that there is very little truth available to us if any, and this is represented or expressed in elaborate and complicated fashion without the more recent human technology advances. we've created an environment syntheticly that presents dangers that we know of one top of one's to come. if our sense organs were a spoon and life was a bowl of soup being eaten then the life opportunity that exists today for more as we continue this trend is as if you are having to eat with a fork. the sense of ego has been unnaturally expanded by the admiration of things we made of no substance while cultural rites of passage were forgotten about and stripped of meaning. we don't have to move backwards and can't but need to embrace the past. time is important to us as individuals, that's why we made it up, but it doesn't seem time matters much to matter.

[@Batzik94]

Do you guys try to speak in terms that the average English speaker won't understand intentionally? And if so what is the purpose? To sound intelligent? To indulge in the feeling of being educated and above other people? Essentially you are speaking with the intention of people not understanding you. Wouldn't it make more sense to speak in the simplest terms that do what you are saying justice? You don't have to speak like a 12 year old but maybe pull that finger out of your arse. It makes academics look really sad and pathetic and undermines the value it can brings to society as it can only bring any value if anyone but yourself is able or willing to listen.

[@durianriders]

Ive eaten over 600g of sugar a day since 2001. Guess my body fat?

[@Wikidpalm]

3%

[@laurelledubois]

You failed to mention that you do some kind of work out 23.5 hrs a day... stop being obnoxious - noones interested in your theories..

[@Simon1985_]

Your teeth will become rotten, your liver and pancreas under severe stress and your skin will wrinkle and sag due to glycation. If you claim to have very little body fat, it’s likely due to acute malnourishment, insane amount of exercise or very good genes. 600g of sugar a day is ridiculous. You’re an adult, have some respect for your body before you undoubtedly get ill.

[@skippy6462]

@@Simon1985_ he's probably talking about eating fruit and not actual sugar.

[@69raylom]

Gary Taubes is the only guy on the panel that I have full confidence in his motives. The others seem like their funding and research is influenced by Big Pharma or the Food industry.

[@paulm1241]

Yes, I just read his first book "Good Calories, Bad Calories", entirely devoted to debunk the nutrition "research", often manipulated by Big Food. Probably the best book on the subject, I recommend. And Gary Taubes is the only guy on the panel giving clear, logical arguments. But he trained in physics, not medicine or nutrition.

[@ashlieregis2412]

This q&a is excruciating 🏳️

[@chazwyman8951]

I really think that the microbiome is the new fad and is allowing us to miss the main problem. Gary has it right and the others are just trying to protect their reputations.

[@davidr1431]

100%

[@breannebannerman2347]

I agree. I feel like they don't want "some journalist" showing them up

[@breannebannerman2347]

Perhaps they should have had Dr. Robert Lustig on the panel, too

[@chazwyman8951]

@@breannebannerman2347 Taubes is a scientist too. Some of the best efforts in the new nutrition are from people outisde the confines of nutrition science, who can take a fresh look, without the baggage of bad dietary advice, which is at the heart of the obesity problem.

[@daltonwalsh3593]

I love yoy

[@annaamura3403]

Veganism is ideal for the health-conscious, earth-conscious, ethical-minded. the question should be posed once again, what is the best food for us? this talk should've disclosed how the food is made and criticize mass-production.

[@johnrakthai]

Anna Amura although it's a hard pill to swallow, at least it was for me, vegetarianism, and veganism, is really a political stance - not nutritional, at least in the west. For example, how many right-wing or conservative vegetarians have you met? What percentage of vegetarians and vegans or rawfood vegans are liberal? Furthermore, everyone has to eat based on their genes and their own constitution. Look up Dr. Nicholas Gonzales and how he consistently cured people from cancer through diet. But it wasn't just one diet for everyone but tailor-made diets for each person which was on spectrum from vegetarian to high protein - 4 basic diet types with many variations on each one based on each person.

[@skippy6462]

Eat plants.... whole foods, vegetables, fresh and dried fruits, beans/lentils, nuts and seeds, herbs and spices.... without salt, oil, sugar or any animal products and processed foods.

[@davidr1431]

Alternatively eat meat with salt with green vegetables if you wish but without any starch, refined grains or sugars and without any seed oils or processed food. Out try each in turn and see which suits you best.

[@nusaibahibraheem8183]

Oh my God! This Gary person is full of himself, he thinks he did better than anyone in the world. Wow.

[@rawfoodphilosophy7061]

fruit..........vs............butter, eggs and bacon

[@LughSummerson]

I went vegan for about five years, the last year of which I was eating 80% to 90% raw fruit. I was fat when I started and I didn't lose a single kilo. I had to eat every 30 minutes to keep my energy up and even still, I was increasingly lethargic and dull-witted until I switched back to an omnivorous diet. So, no, fruit does not equal weight loss for everyone.

[@isaacsnowhite104]

Have to say, it help me pack on 20 lbs of body fat, when was I traveling in Nepa for two months. Satiation was an issue for me. How about less process food, variety, and rough monitoring week to week. Balance with physical activity.

[@finfan7]

Not 'vs,' 'and.'

[@joeschmo5699]

Richard Wrangham....vs.....urban raw-foodists.

[@DanielBrownsan]

+RAW FOOD PHILOSOPHY - Fruit........... contains........ sugars. If you "juice", you separate the sugar from the insoluble fiber. Many raw vegetables and leafy plants have mechanisms to help prevent us from eating them. As such, cooking breaks down many of those elements. Are there any other bullshit claims you'd like to make?

[@zochbuppet448]

33:21 Why would a person do a food and nutrition study on humans in a place like Israel where most of the population is the same , when the same studies could of been done in a city in the U.S, Canada, and the UK (London), where the population is much more diverse than White Eastern Europeans, and few middle eastern people and a token Black Ethiopian Some of these intelligent people make no sense in their thinking. If you want to study a diverse population withhold having to move around a lot you go to the U.S, Canada, and London England.

[@eyreland]

Legs daintily crossed out of a short short skirt. Lipstick, jewellery. Looks is, evidently, more important than facts.

[@lesliecurran1704]

All those stuffy suits those guys are wearing SMH so offensive. Looks so much more important than facts.

[@smugglerscoveconsulting845]

Gary Taubes is very impressed with himself. Unfortunately, he has no reason to be. Whole foods, plant based diet ala Mcdougall, dr. Barnard, Dr. Esselstyn, etc.

[@ba0cbmft]

The information in two of his books helped me lose a significant amount of weight and improve my health over the past few years. You might not agree with his theories but I am testament to them.

[@thalesnemo2841]

Oh please another preachy vegan ! Diets are individualistic and with most of the population being on the spectrum of carbohydrate intolerance , I have lost 40 lbs by going grain ,potato free and doing a LCHF ! Eat butter lose weight !

[@AugustHawk]

I think the redhead (Sara) is the one impressed with herself. "We've got to go with what we've got." Dang, glad she's not my doctor! Even more interesting is that she wants Eran Segal's contact info for her personal diet needs. lol

[@utubetruthteller]

Vegetarian diets will solve obesity, provide healthy mind and body, decrease violence in society, cut down medical cost. So you see vegetarian diets will help in solving many problems.

[@CockBurnn]

Pescatarian diet + lamb liver + zinc glycinate + direct sunshine on skin = optimal. Vegetarian diets lead to endotoxemia (which leads to many common diseases), zero libido (which leads to divorce), and zinc, B12, and retinol deficiencies (which makes you slow and weak)

[@vaibhavgupta20]

Ivar 'Was just a prank bro' the Bonerless it does not.

[@vaibhavgupta20]

utubetruthteller utubetruthteller vegetarians can be fat too. because of oily food.

[@johnrakthai]

utubetruthteller utubetruthteller although it's a hard pill to swallow, at least it was for me, vegetarianism, and veganism, is really a political stance - not nutritional, at least in the west. For example, how many right-wing or conservative vegetarians have you met? What percentage of vegetarians and vegans or rawfood vegans are liberal? Furthermore, everyone has to eat based on their genes and their own constitution. Look up Dr. Nicholas Gonzales and how he consistently cured people from cancer through diet. But it wasn't just one diet for everyone but tailor-made diets for each person which was on spectrum from vegetarian to high protein - 4 basic diet types with many variations on each one based on each person.

[@RebelleRed]

utubetruthteller utubetruthteller I gained weight in a vegetarian diet i was always hungry. I'm losing weight specifically in the belly on a ketogenic diet.

[@JuliusUnique]

can someone give me a tldr?

[@bundokman]

Disagree on Insulin Hypothesis vs Calories in vs Calories Out. Personalized Diets. Gut Biomes are a thing.