Germaine Greer: Pornography perpetuates stereotypical notions of sex

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Taken from the debate "Pornography is Good For Us". Filmed at the Royal Institution of Great Britain on 23rd April 2013.
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[@lynnebarnes5645]

Pornography, where misogyny meets capitalism.

[@lynnebarnes5645]

@@Shankar-Bhaskar to start with, yes, depending on what we have been exposed to.

[@lynnebarnes5645]

B

[@americancitizen748]

And many women have profited nicely from making porn.

[@Banquedesyeux]

Greer is not equating all penetration with sadism. She's stating that the violent strand of pornography, which degrades and humiliates the person being penetrated and which has now become mainstream, is sadistic. Which is, by definition, true.

[@dgp2024]

Yeah but its a strand of porn

[@americancitizen748]

It's not really sex until something penetrates something.

[@BLINDTUBEMARES]

Sorry but, bullshit. Penetration is how all human babies are born! How is that degrading?

[@Jane-yp7hy]

@@americancitizen748 you must have a boring sex life

[@johnthehumanist2333]

meeeowwwwww.....................

[@kurufasulye30]

Germaine Greer once had told "Women have very little idea of how much men hate them." We learn it now easily from comments like you see here.

[@DuskAndHerEmbrace13]

You're in an internet comment section. I think in wider life, the quote 'No man can hate women as much as women hate other women' is far more appropriate. They're so critical of each other in a way that boggles our minds. Honestly, most women I know wonder why men have such a high opinion of them.

[@DuskAndHerEmbrace13]

@cullrapists Jesus, you're a nice person aren't you?

[@eleveneleven572]

Men used to love and respect women but since feminism and the war against men in false allegations, divorce, child custody, alimony, jobs, education, media etc .....yes, we've come to despise women and regard them as dangerous to interact with. Ta ta ladies...falling marriage rates, birth rates, no mentoring, recruiting, collegiality. It makes life for men so much easier ......and we get to keep what we earn, do what we want, when we want, where we want. Women have emancipated us from being human doings. We are now human beings. Thank you.

[@dgp2024]

@@millabasset1710 da fuck does that mean, what is male ancestry? your grandfathers and fathers, who celebrates that in the first place. No woman goes around celebrating their great great grandma. And if you mean that you wouldn't want to go around celebrating that your a man, not only does no one celebrate there gender - but that's also really dumb. Men are socialised in patriarchy to do shitty things - and so are women (but women are also socialised to be more arguable etc.) its not inherent at all. Also porn can be bad, but its not always, if you have control over yourself and dont get addicted its relatively fine (and reduces sex crime). Germaine Greer has some good takes, but overall she is a repugnant transphobe, and a bit hyperbolic in places.

[@user-ej3iw8lw3w]

you should move out of the islamic world then

[@scruffyp9480]

She's so cool. I've always found confident intelligent women sexy. I don't see why so many men feel threatened by her.

[@loveiscactus4294]

Scruffy P she's a proxy. That's y.

[@froggyfootball7572]

real men don't feel threatened at all by GG, only cucks and virtue-signalling soy boys feel threatened.

[@loveiscactus4294]

@@froggyfootball7572 no one's threatened by her. they just hold differing views. it seems ur the one threatened by this.

[@froggyfootball7572]

nope, radical feminists are 1000000% threatened by her. They've ran away from debating her so now they resort to ageist discrimination.

[@loveiscactus4294]

@@froggyfootball7572 radical feminists? i thought radical feminists were the trans exclusionary ones that agree with Germaine. Thats why theyre called TERFs. liberal feminists and more moderate feminists are the ones that are trying to silence her. That is a sign of being threatened by someone. But disagreeing with someone doesnt mean u r threatened by them.

[@KatZolitaMason]

I love Germaine Greer. She tells it like it is

[@buuzzsawtouchedme194]

+Kat Zolita Mason, even though I disagree with modern day Feminism (3rd wave), Germaine carry's the values of the old waves, I don't agree with 100% of what she says, but what I like about her is she speaks her mind, even if she is wrong at least he isn't lying. I remember she told another Woman to "Man up", because of what being a man represents, regardless of Gender, it's her attitude and how she doesnt let things slide that I respect about her as well.

[@lardonirridesco5200]

I'm on a germaine greer binge on youtube at the minute. you don't have to be a woman for her sentiments to speak to your soul - as i am not!

[@Dottiecurran]

No, she claims transgendered people don't have more difficulties. How would she know?

[@renegadedalek5528]

Only in her own mind.

[@dgp2024]

hey yo but she hates trans people

[@levsagan9902]

this woman saved my life. i love listening to her. more people need to listen to her

[@atheistcrusader1160]

No.

[@ckpemac5268]

Yes

[@jeanettesdaughter]

Love Germaine Greer, my favorite Australian feminist. She simply makes sense to me. Funny, too!

[@PWD65]

Sorry to break it to you, but no one takes feminism seriously anymore.

[@mollydawson1140]

Sorry to break it to you, but it looks like you're living in a very tiny bubble.

[@PWD65]

nah

[@mollydawson1140]

good one!

[@PWD65]

Thank you!

[@MrSabretooth]

"Pornography doesn't make us less repressed it is way to make money off the fact that we are repressed" , so true.

[@BLINDTUBEMARES]

Pornography is simply sex photographed. Murder photographed is snuff. Which is worse?

[@sukhmanicambridge]

“Until we liberate human sexuality we can’t change pornography.”

[@loveiscactus4294]

What does that mean?

[@ThePeaceableKingdom]

Every psychological theory is also a subjective confession. --- Carl Jung

[@AB-bt9eb]

I love Jung.

[@pwillia8864]

One of the best speeches I have ever listened to. Excellent work Germaine

[@akselkarlsson5229]

+pwillia8 wow... i mean, its not bad as mediocre speeches go, but you need to listen to more, and better, speakers. Ill recommend christopher hitchens to get you started. Or maybe Nigel Farage, honestly go look at any middle aged brittish man speaking and itll probably be the best you've ever heard :)

[@luc5702]

this is so important.

[@BLINDTUBEMARES]

Pornography is simply sex photographed. Murder photographed is snuff. Which is worse?

[@shineonucrazydiamond7164]

Germaine, you are a badass!

[@shineonucrazydiamond7164]

+Victor Vandablet look in the mirror, dipshit

[@shineonucrazydiamond7164]

look at the dumb misogynist who is taking up space with his good for nothing existence

[@shineonucrazydiamond7164]

yes, of course.. blue hair, overweight, and not partnered with a male. you got me! Oh, and let's not forget "daddy issues" because males really get a kick out of women and girls being abused by their fathers. Scum bag

[@shineonucrazydiamond7164]

+Victor Vandablet and of course, I'm sure it's really amazing for someone with absolutely no critical thinking skills to see someone actually using their brain

[@jeanettesdaughter]

She is, isn't she!

[@oldishandwoke-ish1181]

Pornography is loveless and joyless, that is the essence of what is wrong with it.

[@Banquedesyeux]

Sadism is not limited to pain but as you rightfully say degradation and humiliation. If you go on to any mainstream free file sharing website based on a simple google search you will find videos of women being degraded and humiliated. The worry is that our gratification now exists on an axis with female (or even male) degradation and humiliation. It is importantl to note that Greer is not calling for legislation change but is expressing a wish that we resist consuming such degrading material.

[@BLINDTUBEMARES]

Yes, but people- men and women, enjoy being degraded and humiliated. How do you explain that? Is that sexist?

[@22Unlucky]

@@BLINDTUBEMARES I'll call it mental illness

[@BLINDTUBEMARES]

@@22Unlucky I see. So you want to section and forcefully medicate people who get a kick out of role-play? Watching Anime? Dressing up as the opposite sex? I wonder what your kink is...

[@theman9048]

So kink shaming

[@Jibriltz]

The way Greer talks about porn and masturbation is that it's a choice over having a real relationship out of fear of emotional pain. For myself and probably most others, it's a kind of stop-gap solution in between real sex either from a one-night stand or from a relationship. Most men will masturbate even when in a relationship. It's not about replacing anything, it's about simple relief - like a coffee break at work.

[@electricfishfan7159]

So why would you want to watch performers being abused while you do it? When I’m in the mood for a tasty meal I don’t want to watch the waitress and chef who bring it to me be beaten and degraded while I eat. And from how you wrote your comment you seem to think women don’t masturbate??

[@AFaceintheCrowd01]

She's a terrific speaker and thinker.

[@diannerussell5591]

Thank the world for Germaine, she is like fresh air in a stale room. Why do we accept things , from the world, people's concepts, beliefs, attitudes, have we really become so depraved and ravenous, with destruction and depravity to the point were we can't say no thank you to things. Dose anyone ever practice abstanance anymore.

[@johnthehumanist2333]

yes,greer sounds like a ultra right wing theist in this speach!

[@davesuiter]

I had moon landings, The Beatles and Germaine Greer in my lifetime.

[@katherinekelly6432]

"The person that is penetrated is degraded by the interaction" I'm not sure I agree with this conclusion. It implies the person doing the penetration has the power to denigrate while discounting the power of the individual who is being penetrated. Power is not automatically qualified by an act because there are other forms of power at play during the act of penetration. Women skilled in seduction do not feel disempowered by being penetrated. I have a problem with feminism when it ignores a woman's power by always defining her as powerless. The species would not have survived if women were as historically powerless as feminism often implies.

[@fulton92503]

you are right women have a lot of power with their sexuality for example who they give it to

[@lukevanni2987]

I think she is saying that it's represented in this way, not that it necessarily is this way in personal relationships.

[@user-us1yu8gx9s]

Shes talking about how porn depicts it to the viewer. And it is that is the problem because that is not how it works like you said. 🤦‍♀️

[@NinjaNein]

She’s my, go to, for reality in these issues. Bless her

[@Banquedesyeux]

It could be that sadism in porn has become so normalised that we don't even recognise it as such anymore. It is true that Greer in general does have an 'anti-penetration' agenda but as I said before she does not (and nor do I) wish to see governmental censorship or regulation of the porn industry. To reduce the sadistic element in porn through education is her goal, albeit perhaps a slightly unrealistic one.

[@bigtux11]

Maybe this is where amateur porn comes in. As in between couples, filmed at home, or between two loving consenting adults.

[@giuseppersa2391]

What a potent and erudite Woman.. much respect

[@bjkarana]

My gosh, her command of language hit me like when I first watched Christopher Hitchens in debate. Why did it take me so long to learn of Germaine Greer?

[@maggot1917]

Omg I love her!!! This is an amazing talk and I hope things can change someday.

[@bigtux11]

They're changing now, very slowly, I hope. The patriarchy is on life-support.

[@americancitizen748]

Change to what?

[@BLINDTUBEMARES]

Pornography is simply sex photographed. Murder photographed is snuff. Which is worse?

[@kumkumjain9864]

brilliant!!

[@bettyakinyemi4030]

We need to rediscover or reinvent intimacy 😍😍

[@richalderson6069]

I could listen to this extraordinary woman talk all the time. She's insightful, funny and dry.

[@maximusdesimus5214]

Wow!!! very interesting and really good insights into the business of pornography!!

[@magsteel9891]

Brilliant speaker

[@maximusdesimus5214]

I like her humor!!!

[@joeschmoe4205]

Is it impossible to recognize but also appreciate the difference between "softcore" and "hardcore"?

[@ValentinaLia]

was legit just watching a make up video and somehow got here.. youtube u r a mystery

[@StefanTravis]

The old myth of natural, fulfilling, emotional sex, versus artificial, shallow, perfunctory fantasy. Rather disappointing to see Greer repeating it.

[@StefanTravis]

@@jasminng05 Because emotions don't work like that. If they did, sex with best friends would always be great, and prostitution wouldn't exist.

[@perkyporkpie]

I always enjoyed Ms Greer-always a great speaker. It is true that porn isn't intimacy but the truth is for most men sex is viewed as multifactorial-it can, when you are with someone be ecstasy, on the other hand it can be bloody awful. But that's life. Men look at porn to orgasm-to relax, to escape from tension by being in a fantasy world-that's it. Sex is like a swizz army knife-it has many functions and uses.

[@Jibriltz]

I disagree with you there on the penis envy thing. It's not that she wants to be a man, as so many people seem to think that's what most feminists want, it's that I just don't think that she understands what most men are actually like. To be honest, there are very few men, in my opinion, who really understand women - I certainly have trouble with it.

[@ardentizzy7720]

I was waiting for a prescription for the cure but none was forthcoming

[@acropolisnow9466]

It puts across extreme notions of sex as well.

[@azsunburns]

Maybe women need to go back to realizing sex should be between them and their caring partner and not turned into a public show?.... Why isn't sex being treated as the life and death force that it is? It had no respect for its power. Maybe if that's faced, things would change.

[@cntsay1]

cannot change your DNA,,minds,thoughts,beliefs,,are changed every day...

[@drarnabchatterjee4008]

Each sentence of Greer is mistaken.

[@BlackKettleRanch]

Still radially skewed.

[@vesnalukic9877]

Absolutely brilliant.

[@kimbobaloola7932]

BRILLIANT

[@cmbeadle2228]

A bit hypocritical, given greer once released a book featuring collections of "erotic" pictures of underage boys, defending it on a bizarre "if men can do it why can't I" grounds

[@lynnebarnes5645]

That book was most popular and mainly sold to middle aged gay men.

[@youwaisef]

Wait why is penetration sadism?

[@reidalldabooks3418]

Suck is non sadistic? Not when you say it like that Germaine!

[@evdokiademetriades4975]

You are and will be regarded as one of the greatest representative for women ever , !, Thank you so much. Please become ruler of all 😎

[@americancitizen748]

A female pornographer and ex-groupie is the greatest representative for women ever?

[@evdokiademetriades4975]

Well aware of her life choices bit she stood her ground against some real venom She was a wolf in a lions den and didn’t retreat. That’s!!! What I mean

[@joebloggs619]

Yes, Germaine is right. She is a very intelligent female. It does reinforce female stereotypes eg the pretty little sex kitten etc you see in pornmovies, the ultra virile macho male porn stars etc, all frolicking around in spas etc, having what appears to be good fun sexually... But, apart from being just plain ridiculous and boring, how bad are such over the top, hardly believable porn movies, really? I was invited by gentlemen to watch some and all we did was laugh our heads off at all the ridiculous things we saw on screen.Completely absurd, impossible in real life, though the plots were pretty boring ie the same plot all such movies have. They made us laugh precisely because they were so "unreal". You just could not believe them,like you might a serious true crime or true romance etc movie, where you might cry, get scared out of your wits etc because they are so believable. Now, if something is so unbelievable and boring, like nearly every pornmovies is, how can it possibly affect the viewer in any profound psychologically harmful way eg causemen to go out and rape women or women to take foolish risks with their sexual safety etc? You just have a good laugh at the over the top porno "action" on screen, which is actually good for releasing tension. However, although most pornmovies are harmless, as a responsible adult, I would never allow a child under a certain age eg the age of sexual consent, to watch them. Because their minds are still developing and they cannot judge what is over the top, unreal, almost cartoon like sexual behaviour in such porn movies and what is an adult example to follow eg be a sexy little female "kitten" type, dumb, helpless, cute etc, like you see in such porn movies, under the sexual control of some very hot, well endowed dominant macho male type.Thatmay not be such a good message or role model to present young girls, or even boys with, to navigate their sexual passage to adulthood.Maybe some mildly sexual teenage romance movies might be better for young people to watchfor harmless fun. I notice that modern porno movies have now started to change. They now acknowledge feminism and multiculturalism eg have sexual partners acting on screen from different cultures, though very little about the plot ever changes. Still boring as ever, only the actors have different colour skin etc.Or speak with an accent, wear a hijab or sari or whatever typical ethnic costuming. You see lip service being paid to feminists eg some of the characters who appear, represent typical feminist stereotypes of women. But, lip service is all it is, still. The feminists appear to control the on screen sexual action. But the men are still the ones in charge of who does what to who etc in all the sexual action. Sometimes the liberated chicks will get to take a more dominant role, but this is only to give the males a bigger thrill, sexually. In other words, the liberated women in porn movies are, like the ones in normal life, work etc, still largely controlled, dominated, manipulated, used etc by the men...Only now the men do "remote control", invisibly, whereas in the bad ole' days of unabashed patriarchy, they flaunted their male power and dominance in very public, clearly visible ways. So, feminist porno movies, like modern day feminism, is really a bit of a joke. For starters, if a woman was a seriously liberated feminist, she would not be working in the porno industry. Period. Not even as a feminist porn star, showing that women can be as good as men at sex. There is nothing a seriously liberated woman needs to prove to anybody about her femaleness. She just is. She might find it titillating (excuse the pun) to make movies about bare breasted women frolicking around naked, having sex with any men they can catch, whatever.. For other women or even men to get a laugh out of. But, she would probably own and run the porno film company herself and decide how women/men are to be portrayed. Not have some probably criminal, dominant, macho Man, patriarchal male head of some porno empire tell her how to be, how women are to be, what their relationship with men will be ie subservient etc.More satisfactory, less boring, gun porn relevant to our era could be produced if more women got into this industry but in a way that enables them to control the movies made eg as new entrepreneurs. That there is a demand and human need for such an industry is undeniable. Much as feminists and moralistic religious types hate it. Otherwise, it would not have survived till now. So, why not update and develop it in a way that makes it more relevant and accessible to all, instead of just a 'dirty minded' few who dare watch such crap?It could serve a useful purpose eg relieve anxiety by making stressed out tired working people laugh. The lonely, elderly and disabled people who crave sexuality but cannot access it can get it vicariously, from a screen, which is not ideal, but better than the frustration of sexual deprivation. So what if some females on screen strut around like silly little sex kittens, in frilly hot pink costumes or as little Lolita's etc. These types already exist in real life society. Always have. And are unlikely to ever disappear. No matter how hard feminists try to stamp out these and other female stereo types. Fact is, some love them. And they are not always just men. Some women like them, too. So why not just enjoy them and all their sexual antics on the screen? Maybe some feminists hate these stereotypes because they wish they could be like that themselves and have such sexual fun. But know they cannot be. Well, have your sexual fun as some other female type. These female porno stereotypes do not have the monopoly on sexuality and fun so they can deprived all other women of the basic female right to be joyous sexually and express this aspect of being female. How about the serious, senior, intellectual female type, who could be very sexually appealing because she might be very mysterious, smart, ingenious, creative etc. Some men or even other women are bound to enjoy this type, if only someone would create her and put her on a screen in some porno action movie that is a bit less boring than most are. And does not portray all women as dumb,gullible, sex kittens etc. Some clearly are so. That's OK. It's their personality type. But some are not.But can still be equally sexually exciting, a turn on etc. So, why not try putting some of the other kinds in porno movies? Eg try some clever Police detective women or maybe a few forensic scientist types in laboratories, working on bodies, in their white lab coats. Give the CEO executive female type heading corporations or in politics, dressed in her power suit a miss, though. Too boring. And the teacher and nurse image, too. Been over used in porno movies. Try a female intrepid explorer type who sails the world single handed on a tiny raft, nearly dies, ends up ship wrecked on some Pacific island paradise place fill of gorgeous hunks desperate for a female to save them from climate change threatening to submerge their home land...The possibilities are only limited by one's creative imagination... Now, how will this lot survive? And somehow keep the human race going, given that she is still desirable but now peti menopausal and can't reproduce, despite an abundance of fine, virile, strong men? Maybe they will improvise a womb creating operation, to give one of the guys a womb? This is where sci go begins to merge into porno movies,with 'gender' issues thrown in, for added interest...I might be motivated to watch such a porn movie, provided the sex scenes do not take up the entire movie. That would be too boring to watch. Seen one, you've seen them all..

[@peterchristophervertannes5283]

Greer is simply being academic; what she may have forgotten or perhaps what she does not realise is that academic discourse is contrary to what is practical.

[@Fallen0paper]

Did anybody miss the point that she is 're-appropriating" commonly used words to create a better understand of how we "use" our vocabulary. How we "Perceptually view others" She's changing the context of how we understand the world. If you fighting against Germaine Greer you fight against yourself. She only Establishes what we believe to be true and draws out how we commonly recognise these words and how we can better understand these things. It has nothing to do with act or morals.

[@johnthehumanist2333]

Good!

[@johnthehumanist2333]

Nancy friday does not approve.............

[@katherinekelly6432]

Something to consider about pornography is the type of man attracted to it. A strong confident man secure in his knowledge that he is attractive as a partner to women and understands his role in her pleasure and takes pride in his ability to give pleasure would have little use for pornography. Pornography attracts weak men and these men are hardly a threat to women because they are likely intimidated by women. Weak men are dangerous to women but not because of pornography. The pornography is only an indicator of weakness but the weakness was there before the pornography.

[@theawecabinet]

Do you consider the millions of women who bought '50 shades of grey' to be weak women?

[@b509a7]

Katherine Kelly totally agree. Weak men. Poor people. A strong man does not need that.

[@tyrdunbar]

Katherine Kelly lol what an overthink on porn. Most men watch porn even with the ability to attract women

[@andyd6338]

Overly simplistic but I can see where you are coming from. I watch porn but mostly when I'm single. I feel attractive and confident in a relationship. Both men and women feel insecurity and weakness, nobody is simply confident or not because we're all shades of grey.

[@Dottiecurran]

No one would make a porn movie with Germaine Greer in it

[@Amalya88]

I love Germaine Greer xxx

[@shaanz2.087]

Too good....wow

[@thesurvivorssanctuary6561]

You know, that: "paper doll" of pornography is actually a representation of yourself. I think we should all spend time getting to know: "that girl that other men cannot steal", because pleasuring yourself is not a meaningless act. It is an act of *self-discovery!*

[@Neilos-sd6ti]

Porn is escapism like videogames, music, movies etc... I think that if you see porn as a way to learn to have sex you have a problem but that said. If we were to use this logic wouldnt horror movies turn us into monsters? Watching movies about the vietnam war are going to turn us into ptsd ridden veterans?

[@johnthehumanist2333]

Is this not homophobic as fuck?

[@BLINDTUBEMARES]

06:50 ASMR?

[@michelebriere9569]

It's interesting how many people in the audience are holding their hands over their crotch.

[@msinvincible2000]

Germaine Greer is great for analysing things and seeing the problem, but she rarely gives a solution. What a shame

[@robertdoherty2001]

She is not there to kiss your boo-boo and make it better. She is there to bring issues forth; to make people aware. It is we who must work toward solutions.

[@lukevanni2987]

I think she kind of does give solutions. She talks about being willing to take a risk, make yourself vulnerable, engage in the 'real world' etc.

[@motorcop505]

Germaine Greer is my new heroine! I am so thrilled by her.

[@thesurvivorssanctuary6561]

Trying to make a _porno magazine startup_ is the most boomer thing I've ever heard in my life! 😂🤣

[@arpitdas4263]

Zoomers use Only Fans now

[@kumkumjain9864]

all emotions shld b considered fr pornography...

[@kwynrhys]

I think Greer is too much of an ideologist. Madonna/Whore complex seems to get omitted ( a topic that needs greater analysis). Pornography is not appreciation of intimacy of the male/female anatomy..it is exploitation, violence, debauchery, and ultimately the complete degradation of women (there is no liberation in it)...we cannot change, and nor should we, that woman are at the receiving end of the sexual act....it is so ingrained within our psyche and cultures. We have more words to degrade women than any other demographic, our religions degrade women reducing them to mere breeders (all of religions!)(it may have been different at some point in time but that is irrelevant today), and even our languages outside of just words : stick it to her, she was asking for it, barefoot and pregnant, he throws like a girl, he whines like a girl, she should keep her legs closed, female hysteria, etc....the scientific world has even degraded women on so many levels. Pornography is a visual aspect of female degradation and anyone who skirts around this is fooling themselves...we just have to look at the damage it has done to relations and status of women... women are apart of the work force now, but prostitution is here, women and children (more so now than ever before) are sexually, physically and emotionally exploited and we have made a 'f**king' industry out of it. Greer is trying to 'soften' the industry...that is like being 1/2 racist...when will we learn that our intrinsic value is not just our sexuality (we are complex beings)....we have made it so, that our intrinsic value is in our sexuality and nothing else compares or take front stage; it has to change or we will be faced with discrimination forever.... We have to change our value system, in that we have to learn to appreciate our humanity above all (the intrinsic values that make us human beings). The value we have in being human beings, in being positive contributors to healthy societies (love, compassion, honor, trust, nurturing, intelligence, etc..).....sexuality (which is heavily dependent on behavior, which in turn is dependent on perceptions) needs to be taken down quite a few notches in our value system, and in place we need to put values that actually contribute to the well being of our species...sexual exploitation is simply primal (it removes intrinsic values making women, and children disposable sexual commodities). I would like to believe we are capable of being much more than that. Just look at men in porn (they are not degraded, and most men would say that have the best job ever!)....how women are viewed in society is a reflection of how men view them, and how men view themselves...no sane loving parent wants to see their child grow up to be a porn star (and the term porn star is yet another deception as if being a porn star is a positive thing!). The porn industry wants young, impressible women...many still teens. Our brains are not fully developed until 25 years old. The frontal lobe is want develops last - a cruel trick for sure- it is really the command center for processing complex consequences.....really in a nut shell, stop supporting porn, and make sure your children are aware of the consequences...One will argue that it will go underground...well it is already underground, and eventually is moves up...bestially, snuff films, rape films, all apart of the pornographic industry....it will be a hard earned battled to hold people accountable for distributing, possessing and part-taking in it, but the alternative is far worse...we cannot just accept pornography, soft of otherwise, because the suffering involved will never end, until society at large demands that it does.

[@gallaxian]

She makes it sound like the facts that pornography is a business and that businesses make money are (1) a revelation and (2) per se bad. But I'm not persuaded that pornography is bad. Here are some other facts: (A) there is a great deal of demand for pornography (porn sites are among the most visited); (B) women also view porn in large numbers (they account for about 40% of viewers; (C) most porn is paid for by advertising but effectively free to the user; (D) there is a growing genre of porn made by women specifically for women. I think it's more accurate to say that, like all forms of entertainment, most porn is of poor quality but there is some that is of high quality and even artistic. And too much but certainly not all of it is exploitative.

[@lukevanni2987]

I don't think it being free and popular is necessary compelling...

[@marissadower-morgan3313]

There is no love in Porn

[@americancitizen748]

Don't tell that to Madonna.

[@johnthehumanist2333]

in your opinion.

[@fineartlifestyling]

She is absolutely correct!

[@andrewh273]

A giant straddling the stage, truth in every utterance

[@luiathmorgan7709]

❤

[@jeanettesdaughter]

What does that mean? Transphobic.

[@luciusavenus8715]

You looked it up. Transphobia is a range of antagonistic attitudes and feelings against transgender or transsexual people, or against transsexuality. Transphobia can be emotional disgust, fear, anger or discomfort felt or expressed towards people who do not conform to society's gender expectations.

[@jeanettesdaughter]

Thanks. Seems to me just another form of misogyny, a transference of the disdain for the female sex as applied to men who think of themselves as women ( whatever for ?when you were born male or designated male or appear to be male!); and including women who think of themselves as men (how dare they! ): both gender traitors as it were. Unfortunate in my opinion. I have read the charts of such children in pediatric surgery. Most unfortunate. And to spend one's life struggling with this physically and socially as well...most unfortunate. Who would choose this? It cannot be easy to deal with. A private issue but as we are social creatures impossible to hide forever or create a separate society. Human rights have to prevail and the record thus far on all human rights issues bodes ill for that anytime soon. Germaine Greer is entitled to her well thought out opinions. No one can compel individuals to silence or acceptance of what they find unacceptable. Law is what makes it possible to live together ad o e until such day as humanity is sufficient whatever the package.

[@Orwiable]

It is not so black & white. Pornography may be a useful aid when one wants to avoid being promiscuous or wants to avoid illegal forms of intimate acts.

[@mothermovementa]

❤😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

[@syndiccalls6993]

I agree with everything but that the target customer in pornography is male. A majority is not a totality...

[@fUP420babe]

but it is a target audience, thats basic marketing.

[@eleveneleven572]

But what has sex been throughout history? Its not what prissy women think it was, and never will be.

[@Lisa-ih7fk]

Those sounds women make are not always a lie ;) in fact, I will NEVER lie about whether sex with someone feels good or not, women are to blame for doing this, not men! ladies, if he's not doing it for you, TELL him so he can change what he's doing! And It's not sexist if a guy gets off on you getting off

[@giovannimoreno7468]

Some of it was good, some of it was bad. Though still kind of unsurprising and a teeny tiny bit hysterical.

[@lynnebarnes5645]

She's brilliant and insightful.

[@ZodiacKiller-vx6cf]

Shet

[@popartelite2711]

Most men watch home made or realism porn ..And its woman that they are watching. Woman are very much involved in porn.. Woman upload it, Men down load it!

[@dreamworld6]

Hilarious

[@10hourslooney25]

And who chooses to act in porn?

[@PeterShieldsukcatstripey]

bring back marriage

[@trishpiglet]

you know people are still allowed to get married, right? I'm married! Nobody stopped me doing that

[@radar2119]

Wingnut

[@atheistcrusader1160]

What a load of crap

[@Thundernymph]

Some of her points are really good and then in others she is way off base.

[@trishpiglet]

Oh thank goodness you said that. I thought it was just me

[@ms.whitney814]

Grandma is on to something here

[@Teddybearboy]

I came here (no pun intended) for Germaine Greer's animal cries.

[@src3360]

I'm not sure what she had sex with last or when but sex is mainly penatrative. Call me old fashioned but that's the way I like it 💁🏻

[@-jiyuujin-]

It's okay if you like it and if it's that is what it mainly is for you. :) But that doesn't make sex as a whole mainly penetrative. It can mean and be so many different things depending on the person, and some people rarely (if ever) have penetrative encounters, because they prefer other acts.

[@fabrizio483]

Stereotypes are usually based upon reality.

[@frequentlycynical642]

She must have been fun on a date. Not.

[@IrateTurkey]

In my experience, those who try and take the high ground on pornography watch it themselves, it's odd to follow a movement based on the idea that women have freedom of choice and then do the exact same thing you accuse men of doing by denigrating that person for the choice they've made, the only credibility this argument has is that males do make up the vast majority of the consumer market when it comes to pornography

[@PBSmithy]

Didn't she release a book of pre-pubescent boys with their tops off?

[@Dottiecurran]

She did, she is a fake!!!

[@onionpotato3396]

Women should deal with their own porn problem before they criticise men's porn. What I call "lady porn" is a bigger cultural problem. Lady porn is Hallmark movies, Fifty Shades of Grey, Sex and the City, etc. Women really believe this crap and it harms men. I have some of the female imperatives (6 feet tall, 6 figure income) but I'm still a big steaming turd compared to Christian Grey and The Christmas Prince. Lady porn culture reminds me of this constantly, and reminds women too. Meanwhile, I don't know any men who think porn is an adequate representation of women.

[@aaronsilver-pell411]

"it won't betray you, it won't dump you" exactly. Same thing with a vibrator. Greer just doesn't like the idea of men having freedom from women to get off.

[@lukevanni2987]

You're not really free from women if you're relying on videos of them. I think that's a false equivalence on your part. You're comparing an object (equivalent objects are available to men) to a form of media that involves actual people in a capitalist, mysoginistic society and the problems that inevitably come from that.

[@user-us1yu8gx9s]

In what way are men not "free" from women? Lmfao they're not oppressed by them. Men have dominion over women and the porn industry is proof of that

[@peterchristophervertannes5283]

I shan't be surprised to one day discover that Greer's conception of her views are really borne out of anger, frustration and unhappiness, something no one ever seems to admit.

[@dgp2024]

i didnt know a terf could be a swerf too - damn raw 2nd wave energy i see

[@gmonkey808]

Some women will just never understand the levels of sexual desire some men have. Can be a bit of a curse at times.

[@brucet7965]

+S Singh Your not a male, you're a mangina.

[@MsNooneinparticular]

Nobody expects you to abstain from masturbation or sex. But those things don't require pornography. Porn didn't exist for all of human history until relatively recently & people still managed to fulfill their sexual needs. There are also fleshlights, sex dolls & all kinds of other devices if you don't have a willing partner. Porn is a deadly industry full of exploitation, suicide, drug abuse, disease & violence. It's actually far worse than stripping or even prostitution in terms of what goes on. Women are beaten & raped on the set all the time...forced to do things they didn't consent to. And porn has gone from 'regular' sex to dangerous fetish material like "rosebudding" (i.e. rectal prolapse), bestiality & gang bangs that actually traumatize the actresses long after the shoot is over. "Why don't they just quit & leave if it's so bad?" Because many are forced into the industry by their pimps/boyfriends, or lured in by producers who promise them stardom when they're barely 18 & naive, only to turn the tables on them once they're on set. It's very sad. Try watching porn AFTER you climax & you'll see it differently. Watch from the woman's point of view. You'll probably see a few bruises on her body and signs of drug abuse. If you lack the empathy to care about porn stars, consider this: men who watch porn are often afflicted with erectile dysfunction in sexual encounters with real women. They require the "rush" of porn just like a drug addict requires a dopamine rush from their drugs.

[@Wildcamp-lifestyle]

Sasha Stone A third of women don’t like sex, a third of women are indifferent, and a third of women like sex as much as men. Best thing is for men to learn how to identify and avoid long term relationships with the undesirable two thirds.

[@zaxapitsa]

She´s not making half as much sense as she thinks. Deeply faulted speech.

[@bristolguy100]

yawn