Iracing brake drag exploit explained

[@GitGudRacing]

Dude, dont’t call it a low quality video, it’s the oposite of that. Your thoughts on it and everything about it was concise and on point. Secondly, Im going to be honest with you, I was starting to feel bad about myself recently… thinking Im not good enough in qualy session and when I thought I hit a one in 100 lap it was still far from P1. Thanks for doing this video. I did not noticed this anomaly in open wheel series regarding qualy times. Do you guys know if this applies to just GT cars?

[@PabloGz205]

Applies to a few formulas and GTs, some more effective than others, aswell depends the track temp, track layouts etc

[@kayzenl7911]

Imagine brake dragging in Q, getting pole just to get exposeth on your race pace so at the end, you finish P8. This is the brake drag story

[@DuffPernia]

Well, starting on pole and not starting in the pack is a huge advantage even if you finish p8

[@kayzenl7911]

@@DuffPernia indeed it is

[@FelipeSarkis_333]

@@DuffPernia specially if racing on F3 series

[@senditjeff]

Yeah exactly I’ve seen guys rapid in quali and just nowhere in the race

[@theonlylolking]

If enough people know about it then it will become the new normal and he wont get any advantage.

[@davecamyt]

It's no longer a level playing field. As a result I've lost the love for iRacing 😞

[@metalgearbas4]

I had been wondering how some of the quickest guys in topsplit are somehow 0.7+ seconds quicker than everyone behind them. I was talking to a buddy yesterday and I explicitly said "I feel like there's just some kind of trick that I'm not getting". And lo and behold, there it is. It never felt natural that the top 2-3 guys were somehow that much quicker than everyone behind them. There wasn't a natural progression of times on the grid anymore, now I know why. I really hope this gets fixed, cause it's indeed no longer a level playingfield..

[@jeremiahkaiser7510]

@@metalgearbas4 depends on the timeslot, sometimes in the less populated timslots there is a big gap in irating/skill from the top few to the rest. Pretty sure there is top drivers not using it like verstappen, Ladic, pablo

[@thepacketnarc7634]

But it is a level playing field. Everyone can do it.

[@metalgearbas4]

@@thepacketnarc7634 Sure, but plenty of us don't want to, it's silly, unrealistic and immersionbreaking. It's supposed to be a sim. Besides, 75% of people aren't gonna see these videos and know about it, so definitely not an even playingfield.

[@Dan80Racing]

Not buying it sorry. Yes his method for tyre warming is a little suss but didn't he just smash in a crazy Q lap?

[@peterhuston7888]

You're doing God's work with this video. Whether to make it protestable, update quali scrutiny, or wait for an update to tire and brake modeling, is up to iRacing, but in the meantime, everyone should know how things stand.

[@ChrisChadderton-Ukela]

appreciate you fighting the good fight pablo thank you!

[@cobi07]

The worst joke of all of this is that it is necessary for you to make a video to expose it and give it some publicity as the only way to try and get the owners/developers of iRacing to even just understand how ridiculous it is. Watching this and then going back to re-read the response from iRacing support is just embarrassing - "any other possible unusual and unrealistic tactic through protests" - How can people responsible for a competitive and premium simracing service see this and think that it does not fall under this category?

[@FirstName-hu6ww]

His Discord also thought it'd be fun to raid an unofficial server, say that it's members are brain damaged etc. Then say that he "missed the fun" because he was at work. Amazing dude all around.

[@SeanCampbell_iRacing]

@@FirstName-hu6ww what does this have to do with brake dragging being a huge problem.

[@cobi07]

@@FirstName-hu6ww Is that related to my comment?

[@TheClutchVOD]

@@FirstName-hu6ww So a group of random people raided an unofficial server? What does that have to do with anything?

[@mrfurious214]

You gotta chill a little @cb07 . There will always be something to exploit and just because it's been found doesn't mean iRacing can instantly just fix it. iRacing isn't a Fortune 50 company with billions ready to throw at any problem. They will fix it in time when it's feasible just like they fixed the tire model (remember how much everyone was crying about that?). iRacing is still a young company offering us the BEST sim racing experience you can find bar none. They work very hard to deliver this platform and to fix issues that arise. Just because they didn't detail their entire plan to fix this 1 issue doesn't mean they aren't focusing on it. Thanks @pabloFz for helping us understand it better!

[@balkntv]

the amount of resources this company has and to allow this crap is sad. Thanks for sharing toaster

[@KH-wj8yj]

Forum people still defending this kind of brake dragging after couple pro drivers tried to explain to em many times, but they were still like ''no bro in real life...''. And you can feel how bad is iRacing's current situation with those guys cuz they're the first that iRacing listens. Same as all other things, from series' seasonal schedule to tire model, damage model. Hope they watch this video and change their opinion very soon. And hope iRacing understands how washed up this tire model after this exploit spreads into whole community.

[@alexcarolan8825]

I hate that the game can sometimes be so far from reality. Because that is not what I want to learn from sim racing. Especially unrealistic car setup exploits... thanks for your video

[@jeejee-]

Thanks for enlightening me !!!~ i brake drag to get quick qual lap s in 1.7k sofs ! but i realise its not good to do.

[@IaMVeRyLoUd]

Thank you for bringing this to light. It shouldn't have to be that you make a video about it to tell everyone as there are people on the service doing this. Thank you Pablo!

[@machonugget]

amazing work Pablo, crazy that people will literally use every exploit possible, Nefarious tactics indeed, basically sorted by Iracing with 1 click on qualify settings in game as well

[@dan1R7.5]

Thanks Pablo for showing people how the pros are so fast, mashallah brother

[@flammenjc]

Probably the reason they let it continue is simply this: the physics are broken and old and it requires them to either braking the driving physics to fix it or they have to make a whole new engine to fix it. Any physics bugs at low speed really are indicative of fundamental physics shortcomings.

[@matthy31]

I think, I'm quite a fast driver. Even though I'm not one of the best qualifiers (usually starting somewhere in the midpack), but now it makes sense. And I always wonder, why I'm so much faster than so many people starting in front of me, passing them easily. Before watching this video, I didn't know about such thing

[@stevenhaggar132]

your not alone there mate, I had no idea

[@Mtojay]

imagine arguing this is a natural or realistic way to warm up your tires.

[@paksonc9348]

It’s not lol, irl you’ll overheat your brakes. Increase tyre pressures (which it didn’t in iRacing) Not realistic at all. In real, drivers do brake drag a bit to get heat into the tyres but absolutely not in this absurd way.

[@yannis4259]

It is realistic, in fact F1 has a whole routine to warming the tires and brakes in the out lap before gridding... Many other classes of car also do brake, dragging and weaving too, though some series are banning weaving due to the contact that can be caused by it. The people complaining about this are no different than the club Tennis players complaining about the Clubs top team players who are just better and can hit harder than them. If you can't hit as hard or as consistently, get gud scrub. Ragards.

[@adriaanvandenberg5814]

@@yannis4259 At 30 kilometres per hour shaking back and forth like crazy is not realistic. At 100 kilometres per hour or faster it is realistic, but not this. And certainly not doing this in three corners and you already gain a second

[@WaskiLP]

@@adriaanvandenberg5814 Yannis comment is a copy paste from a pleb in the forum who doesnt know what he is talking. Its meant sarcastic here :)

[@paksonc9348]

@@yannis4259 You have no idea what you’re talking about man, I didn’t say brake dragging is not realistic in general. I know brake dragging is a thing but in iRacing is just absurd with the way how you brake drag. Lmao get good scrub.

[@droors77]

What did they say in the old beer commercials..... I love you man... Thanks for taking this so seriously, so i don't have to. I do agree though, looks sofaking stoopid!

[@Skreezilla]

very well explained! i mean look dragging the brake is a valid way to warm up tires - but NOT like that! it is so dumb. :/ you explained how it worked perfectly - and it was top quality too!

[@steveduerr6367]

Absolutely correct my friend. Its not wrong if you are using it just to level the playing field.

[@SeanCampbell_iRacing]

I am very glad that you made a video explaining this problem. Hopefully this gets some traction (no pun intended) and iRacing will see this, and actually do something about it instead of leaving it to their playerbase to solve the problem through protests. My only issue with this whole thing is that If everyone does it, Is it a problem for iRacing anymore? I mean I want it gone really badly, but the qualy results would be the same if everyone did it.

[@PabloGz205]

Yes, if everyone do it we could say is fair. But you will make the qualify session about who is able to exploit better the tires without getting a black flag by the scrutiny system. We want to drive, not a exploit competition

[@SeanCampbell_iRacing]

@@PabloGz205 yeah I agree with you exactly. Let’s just hope that it does not become that/ stay like that for long.

[@bobbyQQ]

Thanks for the video Pablo. I appreciate the work you put into this and to try and help fix this game. Keep it up

[@vilisrozentals]

at first i was like pablo crying about something yet again, but now after some races in this is just insanity, draft is gone and ur stuck eeehhhhhh

[@Hisselmissel]

Thank you for your explanation. I hope they will fix it. Until then, I'll just start from further back. But I'm sorry for anyone who is more ambitious than I am.

[@allaboutthegyro]

Pablo, a solid effort here senor.

[@gigatoaster608]

Now I know why Benecke is 1.5s faster 😅

[@ilive2drive651]

I've been on iRacing for 11 years ... I've been aware of cheaters/exploiters for at least the last 6 years of that time .... everyone acting like this is something new, this is just the *newest exploit - I am glad that people are finally putting some pressure on them about it though ...

[@ace-agilitycreativityempat7290]

They need to also get rid of the meme fuel saving/clutching. How often do you see GT World Challenge drivers clutching 100-200m before a corner? Extra stress on mechanical components would likely equal retirement.

[@Ranek405]

Coasting/fuel saving is definitely a thing in real life, it's just that iracing doesn't implement it in any realistic way.

[@alexanderklenk2195]

They at least got rid of it in the LMP2

[@Ranek405]

@@alexanderklenk2195 I heard some talk about them adding it back in for the lmp2

[@alonbasoglu6116]

@@alexanderklenk2195 they added the clutch back because 1k lollipop drivers were crying

[@PabloGz205]

Agree there is a few more things the sim could do better, but brake drag is a huge thing and i think impacts really hard in have a fair competition. This is why the video just about this

[@Yannick-TV]

Great video Pablo. Hopefully this helps iRacing staff change their minds

[@PedroHenrique-bs8hj]

Legend! Tks for ur action Pablito! I believe that with ppl like u exposing this shit like u did iracing gonna do something.

[@FelipePGiro]

I see I did well sticking to the W12, then.

[@slowster2945]

With the quality of rolling starts as it is, and it's especially bad in multi-class series, I'd be happy for a GT style auto-drive to start qualy and race sessions.

[@rhyscaryl1573]

legend. hopefully some one official at iracing or someone like that see's this

[@PaulE46]

Bit late to the party on this one as usual, having to do this kind of thing to get an advantage is stupid. Great video @PabloGz 👍

[@MTLoveridge]

iRacing has seriously got to get on top of the tyre model exploits. Either fix it or start from scratch. This is a pissing joke.

[@bobsanders2046]

I’ve always suspected that something was going on. I know that there are better drivers but when you’re off by a big deficit you know something is wrong.

[@MrFoulksy]

What a joke that it’s come down to this. Good video pabster

[@ElPochoDog]

Giga video mate, let's hope they will get rid of this bs

[@stevenhaggar132]

G'day movers and shakers.. It makes bugger all difference to me what drivers resort to, when I usually blow their doors off and win anyway. When it comes to the crunch I reckon leaving the field for dead is bloody boring and prefer to chase down blokes anyway. Thanks for the heads up Pablo mate, you made good content.. and check my channel out for crappiest video making, it makes your channel pro.

[@stofer9404]

I have heard about this but never had anyone explain it. For the people complaining, well....in the end of the day whether you call it a video game or a simulation the bottom line is it's a coded computer program and as in any coded program their are exploits. It's the unfortunate part of the virtual world.

[@allanjohnsen1034]

Thank you 👍 Lets put some pressure on iracing ... it needsto be adressed

[@PabloGz205]

They said a couple of days ago they are working on it👊

[@DaveWrightKB9MNM]

So maybe this is why I’m always a second slower and we have the same winners week after week.

[@papachain1450]

This isn’t an exploit. It’s obvious Pablo is just 6 tenths faster than VRS time on first try. Wait nvm he doesn’t have a pro license. Ok true

[@DonaldKing23]

Is this to do only with specific cars / series , or is it across the entire service ? I ask because I am an oval racer , dirt and pavement and seem to notice the last year or two My qualifying seems to be WAY off compared to what it used to be. Interesting video in any event. iRacing defiantly needs to get a better system in place for ALL exploits , but I don't believe they ever will. They seem to be EXTREMELY reluctant to admit ANY faults within the sim these days.

[@PabloGz205]

In oval works, but harder to avoid the black flag, i didn't hear anything about dirt oval tho

[@RaphpowerSGSUModding]

Thanks a ton for your video man, really

[@AlabamaCOC]

i admit i overuse the brake drag a lot and i’m trying to stop because it’s honestly absurd once i understood what i was doing

[@ye-ha-1235]

they F-in better fix this sh*t..people pay alot of money for iracing including myself. cheers for sharing

[@5Komma5]

from brake dragging to grass driving. What a game 😁🙄🙄😁

[@cryptoserpent]

That’s just simply not acceptable great video

[@Faria0808]

robot microphone mate parkit

[@cobealex]

Now you have to make another one to explain the grass exploit men😂

[@Merto6]

In your message to iracing you didn't explain that it is an exploit.

[@planetzing7796]

I saw a Twitter post regarding this today making similar points. They also had received a similar response. How can a platform like this think that its ok?

[@PabloGz205]

I question that myself too😔

[@stevesiracing1717]

@pablogz can you do this with the GT3 Ferrari Evo please? I want to see the tire pressures and temperatures change in real time. With and without the brake dragging cheat.

[@PabloGz205]

You won't see it in the dash, dash provides tire carcass temp, with this you heat the core of the tire. As well as far i know iracing don't give you the telemetry of the core tire so i can't show it in motec either :{

[@stevesiracing1717]

@@PabloGz205 Thank you very much, I didn't realize that.

[@ajps282]

How are we supposed to report others brakedragging in closed qualy where we can’t see their laps

[@WaskiLP]

Only possible in TopSplit as these guys know each other and its pretty obvious when somebody makes a jump like 0.7 compared to before

[@yuemaeve]

@@WaskiLP even then without proof I do not think it's going to do anything

[@axelslijepcevic1633]

@@WaskiLP Doesnt even matter, Iracing seem to say its allowed so reporting it wont do anything

[@fifa06zocker]

Leyend Pablo

[@Fretzton]

Damn bro this is insane I got into Iracing for the "realism" par of the simulator but this kills everything actually

[@PabloGz205]

The sim still really good besides this problem, just hope they fix it asap

[@christophm.3691]

Now we can fight

[@johnhamrick88]

Thats how ive been puttin heat in my oval tires forever..drag the brake that weaving back and forth does NOTHING

[@owencaryl]

Brake Drag is a no no. Regards.

[@alonbasoglu6116]

Time to brake drag in p217. Don’t be mad at me

[@46mdc]

I wonder if it works behind the safetycar with ladic internet or you get punted?

[@smoke24154]

That’s why I quit irenting and playing ACC for free! Even Pablo had fun in ACC when he was banned.

[@oliverkold4866]

Sad that we all will have to do it enogh to make it so big of a problem that they fix it

[@fan2hd277]

I did a 2.02.9 lap without this and i thought i was flying. Now it hurts even more 😂

[@mdui2010]

Dude I had no idea. I feel like I do notice it maybe. Or maybe people are really good at hot lapping and not so good in race. I can’t do that in my opinion it takes away from the reason I continue to irace.

[@buddhapest]

a guy in a race today for DQ'ed during qualifying while doing this. he thinks it was because if the brake dragging

[@PabloGz205]

Maybe yes, or maybe he just was going slow for another reason. It's quite hard to say, with the system they implemented can happen for loads of reasons

[@rob_BMA]

Thanks for your honesty. I totally agree with your opinion. Just like the slide correction trick. It's all pathetic from iracing.

[@loweskydoleo1332]

Wait.....what!? Is there another trick?? Was racing and the guy in front lost it, car went almos 90* so I lifted to avoid contact, suddenly the car just corrected itself in an absurd impossible manner, can you provide a link or elaborate? Thanks

[@rob_BMA]

@@loweskydoleo1332 turn into the slide. Don't try and correct it. If you turn more it produces understeer. Use some throttle aswell. Sometimes if it rotates too far you need to brake. But it's all about just turning way more than you were.

[@StephenKempGT4]

Does setting Qualifying Conduct Scrutiny to "Strict" catch this exploit?

[@PabloGz205]

No

[@konstantinossidiras927]

I wonder why we peg iRacing to have a realistic tyre model and no other company is releasing a realistic and proper tyre model with an online racing system like iRacing. I know tyre model is hard to replicate but I prefer the sim to be slightly unrealistic and fun than a pain to drive and full of exploits.

[@PabloGz205]

Sim is good, i been playing it for years. Had some problems, but still the best. But this exploit gives such a big advantage that make it unacceptable imo

[@PeteV80]

Why do you need to turn the wheel like that instead of just drag in straight line?

[@loweskydoleo1332]

IRacing does model sidewall deflection, my guess will be the added stress on sidewall heats up tire even faster

[@sebastianwheldon4243]

I am doing the gt3 fixed challenge on iracing and I’m hitting 1.57.4 with brake drag and I also hit that time without brake drag and people are hitting 1.56.9 and lower I don’t understand why it’s not working for me let me know what to do or what I could try. Please respond

[@Spencer_Hewins]

Honestly fair play till it's fixed.

[@jellewolters6450]

Good video Pablo.

[@waydownthelist]

This explains why I witnessed a guy put it on pole with a 1:19.200 ish (gt3 fixed at barber), only to have the same race pace as the rest of us. Low 1:20's. I was totally unaware of this exploit at the time, and was kinda perplexed. I was a little depressed about it if im honest. Started thinking to myself, this guy must be cheating?

[@TheJynx2011]

It really is cheating. Some of the top guys wouldn't be near as high on the totem pole if this was removed. You'll notice the proper ones not doing this, but those who need every little bit will abuse it. Very sad.

[@CarlosRodriguez-zb4to]

Eres el puto amo.

[@Rich_Jamison]

Old news. Been around for a while. smh

[@schiedinator8074]

Wasnt this banned a couple of years ago?

[@PabloGz205]

As far i know nope

[@desmomarquez]

Sigue funcionando esto, Pablo? Gracias!

[@PabloGz205]

No, ya esta arreglado

[@desmomarquez]

@@PabloGz205 gracias por contestar. Estaría bien un vídeo con consejos para calentar los neumáticos ahora.

[@duncpap]

Year on does this still work Pablo?

[@PabloGz205]

No, is fixed

[@emilw82]

I only wonder how the hell people are finding those stupid exploits, because if there was one for example " a grass on spa". Now they found another one 🤷 it is looking like some kind of endless story.

[@Lubo_87]

Good Job pablo

[@Jonualike]

I'm gonna go play Gran Turismo 7

[@andytaylor1]

bUt ITs rEalIsTiC

[@alexanderklenk2195]

Is this a GT3 specific issue?

[@PabloGz205]

No, you can use it in some other cars too

[@leandrocastro5888]

Now i inderstant why now every time i having bad Q and i whas think i just drop of Performance in Q but every start of the Race i whas more fast than big part of the drivers in front of me in Q im sad for this bullshit at least the problem is not my driving XD

[@josemalbran2815]

esto todavia sucede?

[@PabloGz205]

No

[@MrFoulksy]

Sadge

[@dazminator]

Its Over

[@bobbyshmurda3167]

mashalla thanks brother

[@ptitlolo5643]

It’s cheating 🤮

[@nickreich1]

This seems like an easy fix. Just program in a maximum rate at tire temp increase.

[@Sturmovik1946]

that's not how this works at all...

[@nickreich1]

@@Sturmovik1946 how does it work then?

[@Sturmovik1946]

​@@pistolfied What's your definition of "broken as fuck"?

[@lap1bio]

This + 0 f given by iracing when you report someone who killed you intentionally make this sim less and less enjoyable

[@noduj]

This is so stupid.

[@PatricHingston]

this is terrible...

[@rmstigerfan]

If everyone else is doing it why not do it yourself? It is stupid and cheapens the experience but I prefer to qualify above riff-raff as much as possible. Hopefully iRacing can fix the exploit because wow that is a ridiculous way to warm the tires.

[@Faria0808]

Felicidades, es un buen ejemplo. 148 sentadillas son unos XXXGIRLS.Uno muchas y un buen ejercicio. Se deja ver que hay muy buenos resultados 😍👍 Saludos desde la Cd.. de world 🌹😉💖 los mortalesg abian apreciado tan hermosa mujer.k

[@f14racing68]

Im glad iracing allows this.

[@nathanhigginson6256]

thats the thing, its not an exploit, this type of warming is used. it is something that is seen in real life. you warm your tires right and get them to a sweet spot, it is a proper thing. im prepared for this to be absolutely bombarded on this... its not a cheat, its a proper way to warm tires, its just not seen too often, do it right and in a safe manner, its an advantage for sure

[@robcampbell6099]

No car warms it tires like that IRL. that's the problem. not the fact of warming them In general

[@nikolasnolde]

Have you ever seen a car wiggle like crazy with 30kph? Hahaha

[@droors77]

Everyone's sub and follow this man..As well as make sure you're on every day he is so he and his honesty becomes more popular than summit1g !gfuel commercials.. Legendary!