Iran's Poisoned arrows [7]: Iyas ibn Qabisah is one of the Muhammads after all!

[@blacklisted4885]

A series playlist would be good

[@IslamicOrigins]

Good suggestion. It is there now.

[@blacklisted4885]

@IslamicOrigins yes I found it already thanks!

[@myhome9300]

I think I found the state with a ruling matriarch : it is in North Africa , west of Egypt , the matriarch was a cohen, here name was Dihia, they called her the Kahena

[@martenhernebring]

To continue the Amazon research suggested by another viewer. I checked Wikipedia and most Amazons seems to be located in Asia minor i.e. Turkey. For example "In his work Getica (on the origin and history of the Goths, c. 551 CE) Jordanes asserts that the Goths' ancestors, descendants of Magog, originally lived in Scythia, at the Sea of Azov between the Dnieper and Don Rivers. When the Goths were abroad campaigning against Pharaoh Vesosis, their women, on their own successfully fended off a raid by a neighboring tribe. Emboldened, the women established their own army under Marpesia, crossed the Don and invaded eastward into Asia. Marpesia's sister Lampedo remained in Europe to guard the homeland. They procreated with men once a year. These women conquered Armenia, Syria and all of Asia Minor, even reaching Ionia and Aeolis, holding this vast territory for 100 years."

[@daiqingyuan8451]

俱纷 ("Ju fen" in modern Chinese pronunciation) is most likely a transliteration as 摩地那 (Mo di na) is posdiblly Medina. And the pronunciation in ancient Chinese is not necessarily the same as in modern Chinese.

[@simonecostantini892]

Could Ju fen be Kufa ?

[@IslamicOrigins]

Any sense of what it's meaning is from the Chinese characters? Or put it another way, anyway of knowing it's pronunciation back in the 8th or 9th century? Your help would be greatly appreciated. Chinese records have been hugely helpful!

[@mysotiras21]

Interesting.

[@daiqingyuan8451]

I think you are right. So 俱纷摩地那（Ku-fan Mo-di-na）is Kufa Modina = the City of Kufa.

[@daiqingyuan8451]

​@@simonecostantini892You gave the best suggestion: 俱纷in ancient pronunciation was likely Ku-Fan = Kufa.

[@1tether]

I had a strange thought. What if you looked into trade. If you focus on when alcohol and pork stopped being traded as often you'll see when the narrative changes

[@flutterstone1281]

Interesting thought but i suspect those items were grown/cultivated locally back then. I can’t imagine there was any great ability to ship preserved animal products for example.

[@abj136]

Except if dried or heavily salted.@@flutterstone1281

[@1tether]

@flutterstone1281 true but our oldest record in history is a complaint about someone selling sub par copper lol and while the changes in the narrative were covered up. Some records would most likely still contain a shocking halt in sales at the local brewery.

[@flutterstone1281]

@@1tether I have heard that metals were traded widely, and I know incense, spices, and silk were traded over long distances. But those are not perishable. And alcohol can be made locally, so why undertake the expense of shipping it? I just don’t think there would be any record keeping of food products. There may very well be archeological evidence.

[@jdschauss]

Juday al Kirmani seems it should be anglicized as "Judah the German."

[@TheLinguist601]

In Aramaic 'krmny' is attested as meaning 'of Kirman' . Kirman itself is from the Indo-Aryan verbal root kr - to make, do + the suffix man that nounifies roots. It is related to the Sanskrit loan in English (and other European languages) 'karma', a concept of action and effect related to fate born out of Hinduism.

[@احمدساغریچی]

There is also a city in iran that is named kerman

[@TheLinguist601]

@@احمدساغریچی Yes exactly a city and a province named as such. So 'of Kirman/Kerman' is someone from either this city or province.

[@silverltc2729]

5:50 did they always have the map we have now? It might be worth looking at the Babylonian Mappa Mundi or something similar to see where they pinned North (i.e pole star). Just clutching at straws.

[@abj136]

The map might not have been shaped accurately, but you don’t even need to be an astronomer to see what North is, and yes the polestar in 500ad was still Polaris.

[@TracyII77]

I don't know how relevant this is historically or geographically, but part of modern day Tibet is matriarchal. Some women even have two husbands.

[@puraLusa]

I wouldn't call it matriarchal. The area where it occurs has very litle arable land, thus a group of brothers sharing 1 wife was a strategy to not need land division. The women here doesn't marry different men of her choice, the men as brothers agree on sharing.

[@mysotiras21]

While polyandry is rare in human societies, it certainly occurs. That makes such cultures matrifocal rather than matriarchal, however. We have no strong evidence that any true matriarchy ever existed in human history.

[@shdwbnndbyyt]

As for the "woman kingdom", that could be an insulting way (at that time) for the Tayyeyeye to refer to their enemy when speaking to the Chinese court... without spelling out who their enemy was...

[@IslamicOrigins]

Yes, that's an interesting possibility.

[@asifbrettishmaelmakki9]

Hi.If the Tayyeyeye where to be of Christian footing,maybe they would not view woman in a detrimental way.

[@asifbrettishmaelmakki9]

The utuber,Persian Magi 👈 these lot have woman as head.

[@adelassal3843]

boran deht boran was the first queen to rule the Sasanian Empire. However, it was not unusual for royal women to occupy political offices in the management of the country, ... ‎Name · ‎Background and early life · ‎First reign · ‎Second reign People also ask

[@SirKnight1096]

That's weird because the Simon Bar Kokhba Revolt was in the 130s AD and the Byzantine Empire is recorded starting around 200 years later.

[@fantasia55]

There no date at which the Byzantine Empire can be said to have started. Until 1453, they called themselves Romans.

[@SAMMYKO1]

There is a thriving Jewish community in Iran now.

[@MrDaftFunk]

Woman-kingdom probably refers to the legends of the Amazons, centered around the Pontic and Black Sea Steppes. Scythians etc.

[@MrDaftFunk]

Also could be a reference to Queen Mawiyyas kingdom.

[@jacobmathew710]

Mel do you think there is a connection between Islamic Kharajites and Jewish Kairites, because both have same sounding names, their original is also early to middle Ages, and in Alexandria Egypt

[@simosandboifan989]

That is a strange theory, fanciful... Khariji is one who seperates/departs, it is derived from Akhraj/Khurooj, seperating or departing, no connection whatsoever with Karai'im. One can not just rush to such a conclusion on the basis of "name similarity". Karai is derived from the word "Qara" which means to "Read" in Hebrew, referring to reading of the sacred scriptures of Judaism. There's a similar word, "Qirah" in Arabic, also meaning to "read" as both are Semitic languages. Absolutely no connection whatsoever.

[@vicmath1005]

The Arabic word Kharij stands for 'out' - that can be extended to _go out, outside, outsider,_ etc. So, essentially, the Kharijites means 'those who chose to stand outside/apart', or 'those who left the mainstream', etc. It has no etymological link to Karaite. However, the Qura_ysh and Karaite, when seen from the Arabic angle, are identical. Note also that the Karaites were Messianic Jews that (a) appeared around mid-8th century, (b) claimed to be the 'People of the Book(s)'. BTW, the Arabic tradition suggests the Qura_ysh lived inside and around Petra.

[@vicmath1005]

@@simosandboifan989 Agree.

[@TingTong2568]

@@simosandboifan989 well according to AJ Deus kharijites and karaites are the same

[@mysotiras21]

The plot thickens! The pre-Islamic Muhammads were actually Jewish Exilarchs! Yikes! Keep up the great work!

[@asifbrettishmaelmakki9]

Mel said, AL Mansur was name of St John of Damascus also,when Mel said wow.Two AL Mansur's. Ps.The main character of Islamic religion is Imam Abu Hanifa.

[@asifbrettishmaelmakki9]

Mel,when u said,woman kingdom, queen of Sheba sprang too mind. AJ Deus mentioned of Soloman and ants.so is their a Sheba involved? Ps.OT has somewhere about a Sheba guy who is an opposition to King Solomon.

[@Louis.R]

On what linguistic basis can "bar Kabsha" be legitmately linked to bar "Kochba"? The Hebrew s/sh (Kabsha) is with the letter samech, whereas the k/ch is with the letter khuf. This seems to be a stretch, to say the least. Kabsha (see my previous comment) means sheep or lamb; Kochba means "star". On the other hand, "Kabsha" having a "Persian son" strongly supports the thesis that Kabsha is either exilarch Haninai or his son, exilarch Bostanai, who are conflated in Jewish writing and is said to have been given a wife from the daughters of Khosrow II (although it is more widely claimed to have been a daughter of Yazdegerd III) Given that the exilarch Nehemiah ben Hushiel has long been considered in Jewish literature as a "Messiah ben Joseph", the "Exilarch theory" of Mohammed's origin is plausible,

[@Hardhatter]

I think it has something to do with Abu Kabsha, the man mentioned in Tafsir al Qurtubi and Tafsir al Baghawi on Surah An Najm verse 49. He is seen as a star worshipper, so I think "Abu Kabsha" is made up name relating to Bar Kokhba because this man in the fictional story was a star worshipper, instead of it having a linguistic basis it's probably a codename for Bar Kokhba.

[@Louis.R]

@@Hardhatter Fine, but "Kabsha" is "sheep (herder)", not some made up word.

[@asifbrettishmaelmakki9]

Another thing Mel.When u showed direction N/E for that three day travel. Remember Idrisi map has altered north and south poles. What model would China be using?

[@IslamicOrigins]

I showed NW. North is always north.

[@asifbrettishmaelmakki9]

@@IslamicOrigins . Thanks Mel.Would NW from Chinese sources,suggest that the 1500 AD Idris map,was something of a fictional introduction? North has always been North. Ps.Thanks for answer.Keep up good works,and congratulations that AJ Deus mentioned you 👍. Your are preserved in historical writings 😉.

[@asifbrettishmaelmakki9]

@@IslamicOrigins . I thought I will add that islamic narrative insists that, Muhammad was not a king prophet.

[@IslamicOrigins]

A direction is a direction, nothing to do with maps. A map can be orientated to north, south, east... it doesn't matter but northwest is still north west. @@asifbrettishmaelmakki9

[@asifbrettishmaelmakki9]

@@IslamicOrigins . A direction is a direction and is nothing to do with maps. The northern star is taken as North. What if the northern star,was to be labelled as the southern star? Ps. Their is a hadith that suggests that,at end times,the sun will rise from the west,rather than from the east.👈 I don't think it's about literal change,yet maybe changed on paper.

[@bobfisher1909]

Maybe the woman Kingdom was a play on words, not been just woman in charge but referring to a name, Kingdom of Lydia it may be referring too, Lydia is a feminine first name. it became a province of the Achaemenid Persian Empire, known as the satrapy of Lydia or Sparda in Old Persian. In 133 BC, it became part of the Roman province of Asia. Just a theory, GBU Mel.

[@alika5771]

Could Ju-Fen be Ghatafan?

[@Louis.R]

I wonder if there's a link between Nehemiah (aka "Nachman") ben Hushiel and the last Lakhmid king aka "the lion man" Na'aman III "also called Abu Qabus (أبو قابوس)", killed by Khosrow II and whose armory (ie, inheritance and authority) is said in the Chinese Ju Tang Shu to have gone to Hani ibn Qabisa, whereas the Khosrow-appointed successor was Iyas ibn Qabisah (al-Ta'i). Given that both Hani and Ilyas used "Qabisah" and Na'aman too (Qabus), this may therefore be a title of leadership, one disputed therefore between Hani and Ilyas. NB: The lion is the symbol of the House of David in the tribe of Judah. NNB: Na'aman III was reputed to have been ruddy with red hair. The "Prophet Muhammad," is said in various Hadiths to have had red hair. Edit: I note that "Qabisa/Kabsha" means sheep or lamb in Judeo-Arabic and Hebrew, so "ibn Qabisa"," son of the lamb," (applying to both Hani and Ilyas) or "ibn abi Qabisah" (referring to al-Tabari's nickname for Mohammad, which applied to Hanzalah ibn abi Qabisah), meaning "son of the father of sheep/lambs" - aka son of the Shepherd", may have messianic meaning vis-a-vis Jesus, the "Lamb of God" and "the Good Shepherd".

[@kuntul_burung]

Then Khusrow may also been from davidic line... (I think) Isn't The Persian known to have strong connection with the jews in term of bloodline since Cyrus the Great maybe, perhaps, Jew by blood doesn't mean that person embrace Judaism, specially when their family are respected and wealthy from power (politicaly) just saying 🤷🏽‍♂️

[@asifbrettishmaelmakki9]

Hi.I heard that the Muhammad guy had natural red hair. My opinion as an understanding is he had no red hair.Black hair he had.Red hair would look odd on Muhammad 😁. Their is a craze with Muslims to do wiv red/orange dying the beard hair. An incident with Ali and red dying,could have truth,yet not as a sunnah habit. The is a non-quran hadith,that says ,using black dye is not allowed,and only red/orange hair dye is allowed.I think it's pure fictional saying. Islamic lituratures are full of crap primative sayings.

[@amm6838]

Allt this are syriac names, like Bar koseba (hadshaba), the son of sunday.

[@eva4adam451]

Hi. Can you do one about Abrahams father genesis 11:27 Coran 6:74-5

[@SpoozyVideos]

Wth is coran

[@garfield2742]

women kingdom somewhere near yunnan province

[@IslamicOrigins]

Where is that? In China?

[@garfield2742]

@@IslamicOrigins i forgot where i read that, i'll try to find it, but im sure there is "woman kingdom" mentioned.

[@johnlee7699]

​@@IslamicOriginsyep, that's in China. I can affirm this is 100% true as I visited that very region in 2008. Very famous, the tour guide makes it a point that you know about this info. 😅 Yunnan province is a very beautiful place, lots of mountains and greenery!

[@RedWolf75]

Maybe referring to the Khazars?

[@yoelsabarno]

If syria is included, northwest of Tayyi could be Palmyra, Zenobia kingdom

[@IslamicOrigins]

The key detail is that it is 3 months journey. That would be about 1800 miles. Palymra was in Tayyi territory and no longer run by her.

[@yoelsabarno]

@@IslamicOrigins Maybe the legend of Zenobia that echoed and reached China as the Woman Kingdom...still checking about the distance....😊

[@yoelsabarno]

@@IslamicOrigins could the writer mean 'the 3 month journey" start from China'? The record is of The Old Tang, while Palmyra is northwest of Tayyi, isn't it? Just a guess😁

[@leedza]

Propaganda need to have some element of truth for the lie to hold. Just following up on Abu Isa Wikipedia puts him between Abdal Malik and Al Munsar which is means he was active anytime between 685 and 775. Now that end fits in perfectly on some the chat about when the SIN started to immerge. Could it be that the legend of Muhammad the prophet incorporated important figures such as religious leaders and kings to create a convinient amnesia of the past.

[@roshlew6994]

Is he Mhmd of Tayaye too?

[@IslamicOrigins]

Yes.

[@abuAhruf-jk8tt]

I give you a 7th centurt female queen living north west of todays Iraq. Maavia, Gader 663 stone inscription. An arab female name ماوية There was also another queen by this name in 4th century. See for instance Jensen, 1996, pp. 73-75. There is quite a lot about her. Btw. Muawiya is in islamim sources refered sometimes as she. Today muslims claim its an insult by the opposition. But is it? Or is it a slip of a tongue.

[@leedza]

@20:50 There we go Abu Isa is our famous illiterate prophet... Who then got turned into a Muhammad. Or at least the characteristics of his biography align with our Arabian prophet.

[@silverltc2729]

Woah. There is not proselytising/evangelism eithin Judaism. How does one show humanity the mercy of YHWH? How can they help separate the sheep from the goats/the holy from the profane? Create a religion? 😮

[@mysotiras21]

In ancient times, Judaism was a proselytizing religion.

[@silverltc2729]

@@mysotiras21 doesn't seem that way considering you are only really accepted as being Jewish if your mother was Jewish

[@eva4adam451]

Barbarisn. I thought it was from Barba rossa. Red beard. But also barbaric : not speaking the language. Medea (from Euripides) was prinses from a barbaric tribe.

[@fantasia55]

Greeks said foreigners talked like sheep: bar bar...

[@jeybi675]

So muhammad is like Johnny Lingo.

[@zlxs2132]

wow this video is filled with great informations that are SO WRONG lol, im going to debunk them with common sense if anyone with a brain reads this and saw your video could do their own research to know the fact for themselves. 1- First of all debunking the fact that Iyas ibn Qabisah al-Tai was mohammed, this could debunked in so many ways 1.1 lets start with the tribal gentic or linage way, AL-tai or Alta'ay or altay in arabic الطلئي is a tribe that lived in Ha'il not Iraq in your video it said so but then started wofling about some nonesense about them being in Iraq ( wrong information about their location) 1.2 AL-tay are not actually Ishmaelites nor Jewish !! they come from nomads that existed in Yamen long before Ishmael was even born ! nowadays we have 2 major Arabian linage 1 Ishmaelites AKA Adnanaites 2 Yamenites AKA Qahtan and the tribe of Tay are from Qahtan !, 1.3 Iyas ibn Qabisah al-Tai was not a tribal leader nor an Arabian Prince it was Hatem AL tay the prince of Tay at the time and his son Oday after him ! all these are facts could be checked in google or any Arabian muslim or none muslims would know that ! cuz tribes knowledge are something important to Arabs no matter what religion they are ! 2- Debunking that Islam started by Jews in this also just by common sense i mean its so obvious but since you have the mental capacity of a stone i will have to be the one to point out the obvious 2.1 why would the Jews makeup a religon for the ishmaelites anyway ? i mean its obvious ! simple question yet you never stopped once to ask yourself that ! 2.2 if jews made up that religion how did they know so much about Doomed and Extinct Arabian Tribes from Qahtan ? 2.3 how did they know about the prophet Saleh in Madian ? 2.4 why would they glorify Ishmael instead of Isaac ?? 2.5 why did they accept Jesus as a prophet in islam !!! ( this one is SO OBVIOUS TO TELL YOU THEY DID NOT MAKE THIS UP BUT YOU MADE THESE LIES UP XD) 2.6 why would they make up a religion that will cause conflect and wars with them ? 2.7 why would they advocate for Mecca as the holiest place and claim it was built by Abraham himself instead of jerusalem ? 3- here i would like to be on the offensive instead the defensive and get you all non baist Islamic proofs of the existant of the Seal of the Prophets Peace Be Upon Him 3.1 the letter from the prophet Mohammed to the roman Emporer 3.2 the letter from the prophet Mohammed to the King of Najd Umamh Ibn Athal Alhanafi 3.3 the letter from the prophet Mohammed to the King of Ethiopia AL NAJASHEY 3.4 the letter from the prophet Mohammed to the Kesra of Iran 3.5 the tribe of AL-Sadat and AL-Ashraf that are the dicendant of the prophet through his daughter Fatima 3.6 The Prophet Grave in AL Madina ( this one is obvious ngl but yall had me here to point the obvious) 101- now i wanna make an argument and a valid point about his true prophethood now that we established that he did indeed exist. 101, he came with a clear valid message of god that validity can be seen with his most important message to worship only one god. one god. one god. ( not a god that regrets, nor a 3 in 1 shampoo god !) 102. he was the awaited Prophet as he was born in the Sale mount city Mecca 103. he defeated the Idols worshiper in all the world which is what the awaited Prophet should do ( i mean even if you don't believe in him so far ask yourself if he isn't the Awaited Prophet when the real awaited prophet comes what idol worshipers would he defeat if they are already defetead thousands of years before he comes ? use common sense now please activate your brains) 104. he made many Prophices that came true and there are so many of them i will list them 1. the romans would be victorius in 3 to 9 years 2.the Arabs would compete in building the tallest buildings 3. and the most amazing one that still can be proven wrong to this day but it didn't that he said after the Kesra of his time there shall not be an iranian ruler that name his position as Kesrah now any king or a leader in Iran can name himself a Kesrah instead of a King or a Leader or a Caliphate or Emporer or Shah any of these name can be changed to Kesrah yet not a single ruler did that after the Last Kesrah that should tell ya something and the list goes on on his prophicies but i just highlighted the most famus ones but you could all have the mental capacity to go ahead and research on you own :) and that is all i hope you gained some knowledge because it is so easy to missunderstand things that are not in your culture such as tribes either they were nomadic or villigers, and missunderstand religion and the list goes on, but to missunderstand it and have the arrogance to claim you know it better just because you thought you did doesn't give you the right to reeducate the educated and i am not surprised that is literally what a white boring non colored would do to other rich ancent cultures they come in with their nerdy glasses and nuKKKe weapons saying " WELL ACTUALLY" and missinterput everything in your whole legacy and make it something shamfull and small and they are better than you for the love of god please shut up and just listen for once you don't have to be the one that has so change everything with your woke idiotic agenda. thank you that is all, and sorry for my bad English it is not my first language and i am proud that it isn't, peace be upon all.

[@kellyprell3206]

Waiting for the common sense part

[@kq1993]

Mel i have question if you could kindly can answer it. If SIN is fabricated, how does the authors come up with all the stories that we read? They must be based on something. And all those characters and names, etc.

[@IslamicOrigins]

It starts with a history that they are trying to re-tell favourably or cover up, for example, what the Exilarchs were doing being 610 and 700AD. That becomes the focus. Real people are given Arabised and codified names and then fictional people and events are added to the mix. Those writing these are likely Talmudists, so super intelligent and can cleverly burrow things in mountains of irrelevant and repetitive detail, making the reader work really hard to make any sense of what it means. It serves the purpose of occupying the populace, mostly Arabs, with utter nonsense so that they don't have the capacity to think about or work out what is really going on: ie that the Jewish leadership are taking them for fools and taking them for a ride, in which they become the slaves for a regime that serve a tiny elite. There were probably lots of ordinary people adding their hadiths to the mix as the myth grew legs. It all worked very well. It is a master class in pysch ops. I have resisted coming to a conclusion like this, due to its conspiracy theory overtones but the evidence in this case does actually point to a well thought out conspiracy based on a messianic ideology.

[@asifbrettishmaelmakki9]

@@IslamicOrigins Mel,that is a good writeup u done. With the Exilarch as Jewish,would them Jewish be anti-Jesus or with Jesus?

[@johnlee7699]

​@asifbrettishmaelmakki9 salaam brother Asif! I reckon it looks like it is paradoxically anti Jesus (at least of the NT) as it the Qur'an itself and Islamic tradition employs very little New Testament. Where there seems to instead be more references to Gnostic/extra Biblical references. Another curious thing I note is that there is a surprising absence of any reference/allusion to the "Classic" Messianic Prophecies like Psalm 22, Isaiah 53 nor any teachings of Jesus (e.g Sermon on the Mount, Parables etc). I have a theory that there is more influence from the Hellenized Jews that adopted Greek philosophy and language (hence words like Injeel, etc). Also, the word "Nasara/Nazarene" instead of 'Masihi/Masihiyun'.

[@asifbrettishmaelmakki9]

@@johnlee7699 . Walykum salam brother Johnlee. Just two points. Injeel may not refer to a book.Jesus is not viewed as having a physical book.Injeel could be NJL root,and linked too Torah word. Point 2.Nassara as meaning Christian,has Odan Lafontaine suggesting that Nassara is Nazarene. Muhammad has titles of Nassayrun,as well a Nazerun.

[@silverltc2729]

​@@asifbrettishmaelmakki9or are they responsible for helping spread the God of Ibrahim, Ishaq and Israel without them actually doing it. No proselytising in Judaism.

[@kq1993]

First