Gun Gripes

[@starxlord9856]

This is why I love the mission statement of people like Barrett! If the civilians aren’t allowed to own their products then they will not sell to law enforcement!

[@Irishcream216]

The only problem with that is departments can still procure them through private sale. It's a nice feel good thing for Barrett but I don't think it logically stops anything

[@thetechnostate316]

@@Irishcream216 at least they’re standing for something, which means a lot more than companies like benchmade bending the knee for cops

[@dorzak975]

@@Irishcream216 Yes, but Barrett has taken it at least one step further. They will not do factory service on there firearms. They returned an M82A1 unrepaired to LAPD in 2002.

[@COIcultist]

Why didn't Eric and Chad ask their contact at Federal who supplies them with their free ammo about this before pontificating?

[@rdj232]

@@COIcultist Eric and Chad buy all their ammo for the videos.

[@Icecream-edible]

I've never understood why ammo comes in 20 round packs, especially 5.56. Why not at least 30 rounds for a full mag?

[@johnbrenot2538]

it's the hotdog bun conundrum

[@jakedasnake138]

I’ve always wondered that myself

[@stuartholden6163]

20 x 5 = 100. 100 x 10 = 1000. I imagine it's a packaging issue

[@watariovids1645]

"I guess you just have to buy 6 packs and fill 4 mags then"

[@jutde]

Get 40 round mags and buy 2 boxes. Problem solved.

[@roul3688]

I was called a “conspiracy theorist” for even suggesting ammo companies were doing this. Federal’s largest customer is probably the US government… that puts the government in a position to direct Federal.

[@COIcultist]

Don't Eric, Chad and multiple other KZbinrs have contacts with Federal? They get sent free ammo every month, why didn't they ask their rep before pontificating?

[@stonerman15]

Still can’t make a good .22lr.

[@catfishredneck88]

well we cant have the taliban having an ammo shortage for their new weapons the shithead in the WH gave them.

[@macgyver5108]

So, basically what you're saying is "Federal" is "Federal"?

[@roul3688]

@@macgyver5108 I’m saying they could be.

[@jarink1]

"A crazy inconsistency" - you just accurately described every gun control law in the US.

[@talisikid1618]

Well, not every law on guns. Some are necessary to keep convicts and such from obtaining them.

[@maverick4462]

Dad always said "the most obvious answer is usually the right one.

[@kenibnanak5554]

That is called Occam's Razor. Entitia non sont, multiplicanda praetor neccisitatum. The easiest way is usually the best.

[@COIcultist]

I don't know about the obvious answer, but I do know an obvious question aren't Eric and Chad and also Tim (MAC Channel), Hickock 45, 22plinkster and others sent ammo by Federal? Maybe they could ask their contact at Federal before they pontificate online? If they have asked, they might even say what the answer was. Might asking valid questions cost them their free ammo if the questions were too difficult to answer?

[@johndoe-so2ef]

@@COIcultist BINGO!

[@craigwilson8255]

@@COIcultist they did mention you can ask different people and get different answers, so maybe they did ask? Idk

[@hoginava1315]

Hey what’s like having a dad?

[@ibuprofendave2771]

I've been skeptical of American ammo manufacturers on different levels for the past 7-9 months

[@joelmorgan1871]

One thing I noticed is the quality and consistency of ammo went way down this year. I picked up a few boxes of hornady whitetail last year that shot a hair below 1moa at 100 yds out of my rifle, bought some whitetail this year for the same rifle and the best group I got in my rifle with this years batch was 3". I had some left over ammo from last year and tried it in my rifle to make sure it wasn't my rifle, scope or me and last years batch again was slightly below 1" at 100 yds. The quality control and consistency has taken a nose dive this year.

[@ksharpe10]

@@joelmorgan1871 I knew that was coming. told many watch, for factory ammo mistakes, malfunctions, accuracy, etc.

[@joelmorgan1871]

@@ksharpe10 I had a feeling it would as well, especially when i heard about their current production schedule. After the group I shot from this years ammo I started reloading, cheaper and my ammo is more accurate

[@philyamascunt7518]

@@joelmorgan1871 Reloading is great if you can find primers and certain powders.

[@joelmorgan1871]

@@philyamascunt7518 surprisingly in my area were starting to see a good amount of powders and primers....but if we want brass or leads we have to get them online because none of the stores have any

[@athappyhiker]

There is NO reason any ammo should be “Law Enforcement Only” marked or any type of ammo banned from civilian use. I also don’t think that “police discount” gun deals like Glock blue label ones. I respect police but they shouldn’t get preferential treatment or special deals.

[@raizulid.6638]

That's exactly why they became cops!

[@331Grabber]

Welcome to the police state. Police are the only ones allowed to freely violate your civil rights too.

[@eribertoacedo9505]

Be creative start building your own and start reloading problem solved no serial numbers no one knows what you have unless you tell them but you better not keep that close to your heart!!

[@matthewkeisling2776]

You’re welcome

[@athappyhiker]

@@matthewkeisling2776 welcome for what

[@thespeedyviking9682]

Try being up here in Canukistan, they’ve found basically every back door restriction to limit supply, availability and drive up prices. There are many other ways to restrict firearm owners but once they run out of those they just start outright banning guns.

[@redrock425]

You're still way behind us in the UK, in a good way! Although .50cal and semi-automatic shotguns are still legal here.

[@thespeedyviking9682]

@@redrock425 I always use the UK as an example of where we’re headed, I think it’s only a matter of time until we catch up or surpass the restrictions over there.

[@redrock425]

@@thespeedyviking9682 Your right, every generation of politicians has to be more restrictive to show they are doing something. There is no political gain by making gun laws more relaxed. I've seen nothing but restrictions in the last 40 years. Ironically the current legal firearms are more "dangerous" than those they banned!

[@thespeedyviking9682]

@@redrock425 Yup, it's not about guns or criminals. It's a political game. That's what a lot of people don't understand about the fight for firearms rights in the United States, every restriction leads to another restriction so you have to fight every single one that they try to impose. That and they're the last hold out for actual firearm rights, if they fold then our countries are all going full ban.

[@redrock425]

@@thespeedyviking9682 Exactly that, and of course once they've had success with firearms they'll have to move on to something else. I'm amazed alcohol hasn't been hit yet, they love to prevent harm or even potential harm! Cough *Minority Report*...

[@MikesGarage96]

I’m willing to bet it all boils down to how it’s taxed when being manufactured and sold. Which boils down to government control

[@akadotslash]

As a citizen of the country with the highest taxes in the world, I second that. (My country I also rated highest in overall living standards, I'm sorry for putting that in there 😔)

[@dlim4325]

Yes it's a Feceral Excise Tax exemption. Thus ammo manufacturers must be anti gun... dumbest click bait IV8888 has done yet.

[@DaveL9170]

@@dlim4325 total clickbait!!!! It is for excise tax exemption. They are just dumb!!!

[@brett9382]

This right here. There's nothing nefarious or horribly cynical going on behind the scenes. Just companies trying to get tax breaks.

[@rob6850]

I would like to know which websites actually ask for LE credentials, and I would never buy from them again.

[@jerry50bmg65]

Like hot dogs vs. buns!

[@stonerman15]

^^^^

[@Junior-zf5ed]

Atlantic Tactical ask for credentials

[@justanotherinternetexpert7743]

Tons of them do for ammo.

[@supertruckertom]

Not SGAMMO. Before Covid-19 I got two 500 round cases Winchester Ranger T +P 147 grain 9mm for 54 cents a round. Have only used 2 boxes. Nickel plated cases, sealed primer and case mouth.

[@mountainskyaerialphotograp3921]

I am a retired LEO> We never purchased from gun dealers. We always went directly to the manufacture or a selected distributor that deal directly with LEO department.

[@joshuagibson2520]

32:45 Chad is right and it's important to at least group your def rounds and know they're on target. Guaranteed that fmj is not going to pattern the same.

[@joeyphillips1181]

That is something I've learned.. only certain ammo will hit point of aim you have to practice with what you use for sure

[@Josephlandon1]

Showed my Dad IMI 556 30 round boxes. He was amazed to see a box that actually filled a mag perfectly haha

[@TheDkb427]

Winchester 62gr otm made in Switzerland was in 30 round boxes

[@diggernash1]

I always load 28

[@leifnilsen6107]

Definatly agree wanting 50 round boxes.. Wtf are they thinking with 20 round box.. Exactly , throughly test your gun. Practice, get the know your gun. But, to a new person or a person who is really simple or a broke person. They do not think like this. They think that it goes bang, or if they need protection they can just pull it out. They don't practice or of they do, hardly at all. The have maybe 1 box of ammo for their pistol. Even if you try to talk to them. There little brains just can't understand the importance of practice with the firearm.

[@richardsveum8452]

Tell you as a LEO affiliated employee, the department I’m currently with can not get enough ammo to qualify with due to availability and cost.

[@doubletap10mm]

Exactly, they are so wrong. They think agencies just have all this Ammo which is absolutely wrong. Most agencies don’t even supply Ammo to their officers or their duty pistol

[@2AlphaCrew]

@@doubletap10mm ehhhhhh you are wrong. Lots of agencies supply ammo and stock LOTS. Depends where. Funding matters.

[@doubletap10mm]

@@2AlphaCrew I'm wrong yet I work at one of the top 5 agencies in the country and we are supplied nothing, I think our funding of 700 million a year would qualify

[@doubletap10mm]

@@2AlphaCrew plus I never said that there are no agencies that supply Ammo, I said most do not. Read my comment correctly before you respond ignorantly

[@2AlphaCrew]

@@doubletap10mm sure bud… I bet. Our dinky little flathead sheriffs department must be rolling in the dough. 🙄 I train with multiple KPD and FSD. They have their ammo supplied. 🤷🏼

[@christianshipley7472]

One could argue it is a 2nd amendment right violation as well. "In order to have a well regulated militia" that line means civilians to have access to the same equipment and training that the military have, and I would extend that to law enforcement. This was a foresight so that the civilians wouldn't be out gunned by government. Yet here we are today, uneven rules, uneven armament.

[@justanotherinternetexpert7743]

Exactly the state of our 2nd ammendment is disastrous. We are not even close to being on a even playing field with the government.

[@331Grabber]

That's not what that line means. "Well regulated" means trained and functional. It has nothing to do with access. It just says a trained Militia is necessary to maintain a free state and you can't disarm the people because they are the militia. There's no implication that untrained civilians should be as heavily armed as a soldier since at the time it was written civilians were supposed to be the trained soldiers.

[@justanotherinternetexpert7743]

@@331Grabber your comment is full of contradictions and logical errors. If at the time it was written civilians were suppose to be the trained soldiers, then they would need to be armed just as heavily as a soldier, BECAUSE THEY WERE THE SOLDIERS! Further the founders and writers of the constitution make it PERFECTLY clear in, later letters to each other, and the federalist papers that they wholehearted believed civilians should have access to any and all weaponry that the government soldiers had access to, including small arms, cannons, and war ships.(there is physical documentation of this) if the founders meant for civilians to have warships, I believe almost any weapon you could name would be A-OK with them.

[@331Grabber]

@@justanotherinternetexpert7743 Not true at all. And there is nothing contradictory in my statement. The 2A is simple. It says in order to remain free we need a trained militia and that because we need that militia you can't disarm the people. Every able bodied male over 17 was supposed to join their state militia, which is why the 2A says you can't infringe on the people's right to keep and bear arms. It's written that way to ensure the existence of a means to defend ourselves by protecting the state militias.

[@None-yb5ts]

I stated this concept to people 5 years ago, everyone labeled me an “extremist”

[@darktyrannosaurus22]

This why the right to bear arms should obligatorily condition all adjacent rights relative to it, such as the rights to bear, make, exchange accessories, tools and ammunition. Can't be dependent from non-State agents, never.

[@marblemarble7113]

typically if youre making guns youre probably already past the point of following stupid laws unless we're talking modifications liking chopping down the barrel

[@dalesearcy5734]

There isn't any 50 round boxes of defensive ammo available in my area. I have always felt that this was a way to jack up the price of this ammo and for no other reason. We are getting ripped off every time we purchase defensive ammo. If the ammo makers want to offer a discount for LE, that's fine but make it available for everyone.

[@theKashConnoisseur]

I can't find any JHP in my local stores either, but I can still find Speer Gold Dots and Hornady Critical Duty online any day of the week.

[@magnum_0710]

I stopped buying Federal products for a long time because of this, they're the main offender...Sig has no issue selling 50 round boxes to everyone...the only reason I gave in is because nothing beats the HST in performance and I want the best to protect my family with

[@bigmike9845]

I absolutely love gun gripe you guys are just a wealth of knowledge when it comes to firearms and I love it

[@derpcon4212]

To Chad's point about a potential difference in the quality of ammo available to civilians, that is especially true for Military standardized ammo. I believe it's by law that military-contracted ammo (think M855 or Mk 262) can only be sold to civilians if the batch was pulled because it didn't meet the QC standard by the military. So basically we're getting factory seconds, even if it's still much better ammo than the other stuff available for the price

[@americangoy528]

To my understanding thats how NightVision devices work too. Mil/Le hand select units to their standards, us poor second class civies get the scraps :/

[@adamcornell6738]

I believe that's what the X designates in the code. Like XM855

[@DopamineSink]

From an article in 80-lower: "Curious what all the "M"s and "X"s means? Simple: The "M" in M193 and M855 stands for "military". This denotes the ammunition is produced to military specifications. When you're shopping around for ammo, you may or may not see 5.56 NATO listed as M855 or M193, even if it's Federal American Eagle. It might say XM855 and XM193. XM855 and XM193 are not special versions of military ammo. They're not "second-rate" versions of military 5.56 NATO, either. They're simply rounds of ammunition that have been set aside for civilian use, instead of being shipped off to the armed forces. That's it. We even called Federal Premium to confirm this. Federal says that some "M" munitions are placed on the civilian ("XM") manufacturing line for insignificant reasons: They produced too much "M" ammo and need to sell through it, the paint on a green-tip is too thick or thin, there is extra sealant around the primer, or some other reason that in no way hurts the performance of the ammo in question. Whether you buy XM or M, rest assured that your 5.56 ammo will perform to the same standards." That makes more sense to me. It's a separate line with some "2nds" thrown in that, and not just rejected rounds. That would be MILLIONS of rejected rounds.

[@derpcon4212]

​@@DopamineSink I should've been more clear that I didn't mean to imply all the ammo are rejects. All it takes is the tiniest found "flaw" on a single round in a batch of thousands for that entire batch to be diverted to civilian sales, which like the article said can even include the thickness of the green tip paint. But what I'm far more interested in is the potential difference in quality of the Mk 262 Mod 1 ammo the military gets vs the overpriced variant of it we're able to get our civilian hands on. Since it's more of a specialty loading there's very rarely overruns on it and most clones of it aren't even to proper spec. I don't think Black Hills even sells it to civilians anymore, and the QC from IMI is all over the place.

[@nemisous83]

Well its worth noting that not meeting QC doesn't nessisarily mean its worse ammo you figure they test only a 100 or so rounds of ammo from a 10,000 round batch and if more than a certain amount don't meet certain requirements the whole batch is rejected so more often than not the ammo you buy is generally up to milirary standard.

[@luispuleo7631]

WE THE PEOPLE STILL NEED THE MARTINI HENRY BALLISTICS VIDEO! 🙏

[@waynepuckett3150]

Simply stated… it’s all about profit at the manufacturer level!

[@williamharn9048]

Exactly

[@mathewmcdonald3657]

Also international treaties are another back door to gun and ammunition control.

[@gophop]

That's not how fascism works. Political interests above profits.

[@lordbeeg1]

If the Afghans can have military grade weapons for free shouldn't we be able to?

[@ffarmchicken]

It’s both sad and funny that the Biden Administration let the Taliban get all that USMilitary weapons and hardware yet they are going to take away law abiding gun owners in the US firearms. And MSM doesn’t say a word.

[@antlerking69]

I'd love one of those twenty-two thousand Hum-Vee's...

[@DoggoWillink]

“Who’s gonna use 20 rounds of ammo”? Me: Raises hand in NJ… I’ll take it.

[@NWFishingSecrets]

That Thermite stick had me imagining Qui-Gon cutting through the blast doors with his light saber... "They're still coming through!" 😂

[@jayslomine4280]

Hahahahaha Yes!

[@LUR1FAX]

Where are those droidekas?

[@justindunlap1235]

Yes, that is golden.

[@lordravenblade]

Back in maybe 08 I was visiting my grandparents place in small town Montana and saw a newspaper article where a sheriff’s deputy got busted for taking the ancient ammo from the department and selling it to the lawn shops around. Took months before anyone noticed it went missing.

[@336W]

It is a clear indication of an us vs them attitude emanating from law enforcement towards citizens.....I have seen it many times. This has always been an issue.

[@williamleuschner8701]

Hey guys! Great Topic! Haven’t written you guys in awhile, hope you’re doing well!You are perfectly correct with what these companies ( Ammo) are doing! It’s almost like they’re getting jealous if they’re not getting the attention and full price for there product!And we all know Gun Control means using both hands! HA! I like what Chad said too: the neck of the cartridge not being sealed! I’m glad you guys are calling out these people on this subject! I wonder what there answers are gonna be! Keep up the good work guys!

[@dutch0770]

1,000 round cases are the way to go 😉

[@nickh4309]

Also to boot, in my state they don't return any confiscated ammo period. Does it really get destroyed like they claim.

[@gocloneyourself]

I had a very hard time early last year buying a new production 870 Police Magnum. All my local gun shops said they couldn’t order it for me because it was LE Only. I finally found someone who recently got their FFL and was able to get me one from a distributor. I will probably never sell that thing

[@moushunter]

Probably product liability drives the prices up. I have plenty of LE ammo. I find it on retail shelves sometimes.

[@prestonprice3369]

THE ROUND COUNT THING BETWEEN MAGS AND BOXES OF AMMO DRIVES MY OCD CRAZY!!!

[@spcpitts]

Calm down. I used to have this problem. First thing you have to do is go buy ammo cans. Empty all your boxes into a can. This should work unless you have extreme ocd. If you have 30 round mags you can make sure to load 2 mags at a time (3 full boxes). If that doesn't work old. Load it into mags and shoot it all until it's all gone. Then you don't have partial boxes laying around. If these don't work I'll give you my address so you can send it all to me. You know so you don't have to look at it

[@mattbrown9484]

Like hot dogs

[@ValerieJLong]

Buy CA/NJ-compliant mags and you're fine ;-)

[@vendetta6451]

What Eric said rung a bell with me. I got pulled over by apd a few years back. I didn't have my sidearm in the car but the extra mag was in the armrest. They searched the car heavily, but I told them that "my gun is at home, I live down the street". So after they confirmed I was legit, I told the cop "I usually don't ride with my gun in the car" he told me " you live in atlanta right?, You need to keep it with you at all times". I was floored, even an apd officer knew that citizens need to be armed when they can't be there.....good Convo, you guys rock bruh.

[@Brotherman94]

What really drives me crazy is most rifle ammo comes in 20 round boxes. Why not boxes of 30? A standard magazine is 30 rounds, so make it one box of ammo for one mag. With 20 round boxes i either have to open 3 boxes and load 2 mags, open 2 boxes and have 10 loose rounds, or open one box and down load my mag to 20 rounds. It's really annoying.

[@HarrisonCountyStudio]

I used to have the same issues Today, I just buy (6) boxes of ammunition and load three magazine 👍🏽. My OCD forced me to do this. Lol 😆

[@GenXAccord]

The same reason that hot dogs and hot dog buns are not sold in the same quantity. It's a marketing scheme to make you buy more of one of them.

[@427_FE]

I've been casting pistol bullets since '86 . The primer shortage is the bitch . Please do an update on that when you have time. Love you guys !

[@meanman6992]

Well with HST, Federal for whatever reason has threatened to stop selling to vendors that sell the LE marked 50rnd boxes to normal civilians without arrest authority. So that’s probably why the HST is sitting there in some stores. Luckily some vendors ignore Federal ammunition’s directive there and as it’s not illegal to do so, sell to anyone with cash in hand. Why Federal is taking that stance is a good question and one everyone ought to be pressuring them to answer. They either IMO need to knock it off, or come out with their reasoning, and let the market respond accordingly.

[@robertleto6692]

They said they’d be back to normal production by now I’ve read all kinds of articles stating how they expanding production so everything can get back to normal prices are still 2-3 times higher for target ammo the best thing we can all do is not buy it

[@roninkraut6873]

Exactly!! I was at a gun shop this past weekend and they had a good supply of ammo but they were still about 80-90 cents per round. So, no thanks. Even .22 LR was about 20 cents/round. Im not supporting that BS

[@JohnTBlock]

Just another reason that cops need to be hammered on the fact that THEY ARE CIVILIANS, NOT MILITARY. despite all the overstock military equipment they get, THEY AINT FREAKIN' SEAL TEAM SIX. That high horse needs to come down a few notches... Bottom line, if it's limited to LE, don't sell it in gun stores, limit it to bulk department sales!

[@TK-wd7de]

Last time I checked the armory at the dept has alot of ammo we have deputies steal the ammo and give it to family dont ask me how I know

[@joshuagibson2520]

Amen. What does it matter. No one should be restricting any tool I might need or how much.

[@AtlantaGuns]

I remember those federal white box ammo, some of the best range ammo I ever shot. Now I wish I saved some of those.

[@dorzak975]

I live in a state with some of the strictest gun control laws in the nation. Almost every law has exemptions and carve outs so they don't apply to Law Enforcement Officers. Safe roster of handguns - exempted, ordering ammunition online - exempted, background checks for ammo purchases - exempted.

[@ReubenOaks84]

The government is trying to take control over everything and I personally believe a lot of the well known firearm and ammo manufacturers are catering to the government and in doing so are becoming part of the problem especially when it comes to being pro 2A. It is obvious that our government wants to disarm the public and are using all methods possible to do so, if they have a hard time taking the firearms the next best thing is to make it harder to get ammo. It doesn't matter how many or what kind of firearms you have, if you can't get ammo for them its a win for the government.

[@mathewmcdonald3657]

The feds signed the largest ammunition contracts in history a couple of years ago. Where is all this ammo stored and someone smarter than me should investigate. Is it for NATO countries or private armies or who actually owns these companies and who sits on the boards of these companies. Cops hate guns on the streets. Law abiding citizens and criminals alike. They hate firearms in civilian hands. I know some good cops and can even get ammunition from some. You probably have to have something of value to them other than cash. I’ll let you use your imagination to wonder what that could be. Restaurant reservations are valuable so are concert or sporting event tickets. Really anything that makes them look connected and can impress their women. That is incredibly valuable to a cop.

[@ktmMX125]

Here in Massachusetts lots of shops have a separate case with glocks and 30 round ar mags for law enforcement only. Gun stores are not allowed to sell new glocks to civilians but LE can buy them for personal use or duty.

[@shoominati23]

I thought most PDs would have policies against carrying personally owned firearms or ammunition in a squad car or on duty anyway, lest they get into a defensive shooting and cause some legal curfuffle for the department. Which makes the case for having to show credentials on purchase even weaker.

[@ktmMX125]

@@shoominati23 yea I’m not sure what their policies on carrying a personal firearm are around here but I have seen it before. It’s just kinda annoying how I can’t walk in and buy a glock 19 because it has been deemed “unsafe” by the state yet most of the local pd’s issue the same “unsafe” handgun to everyone in their department. It’s all arbitrary an extremely annoying. They are no more safe or unsafe than any other handgun I own. also if I were to be caught with any magazine over 10 rounds that isn’t made before 1994 it’s a pretty big offense. a few more months in this crap-tacular state and I’m out.

[@blankman6179]

Those 20rd boxes are for the people that live in ten round mag states like me... 😢😢😢

[@J-nasty]

Rip😔

[@blankman6179]

@@J-nasty do you feel my pain too?

[@J-nasty]

@@blankman6179 no I live in Texas but I feel bad and just wanted to give my condolences🙁

[@stephenfannin6482]

talking to friends that work in gun stores during this whole time of corona panic I have been told there is is pallets of ammo but the local shop has been choosing to only put a little out at a time and charge 80 cents per round for 5.56 and 55 cents per round of 9mm, meanwhile they had been selling 1000+ round groups of ammo on gun broker, makes me sad to know that the shortage has not been entirely a result of low supply but also a result of shops choosing to capitalize on panic buying

[@LifeisGood762]

This one was a doozy. Thanks for talking about this, it grinds my gears too. Also I wish any company that doesn't like to sell to civilians would let us know.

[@doylethorn9251]

I don't know where you get your "Department Ammo" info from. I've worked for 2 large Departments Texas in my 30 years experience. Neither Department furnished pistols or Duty ammo. The only ammo furnished was qualification ammo. They did have requirements for type and caliber of pistol and type of ammo. It was our responsibility to furnish pistol and duty ammo.

[@redrock425]

I suspect they want to sell as much as they can. Any shortages are not helped by people buying by the pallet! Law enforcement use a lot more ammunition and buy in larger quantities. Usually sales to people "in the trade" are cheaper. Carpenters buy nails cheaper than I do from the DIY store 😉

[@OhSoddit]

Mmmmm Pallet (insert Homer drooling noises here) :)

[@redrock425]

@@OhSoddit Lol, we can only dream of that here, a brick or two if you're lucky!

[@justanotherinternetexpert7743]

The "law enforcement only" 50 round boxes, has bothered me for a long time, i try not to buy from places that wont sell me the 50 round boxes.....those 50 round boxes are for CIVILIAN PLUS individuals, not us regular civilians.

[@johnbrenot2538]

Can anyone name a mass manufacturing company that hasn't sold out to the state. "You looked straight Into the bleeding Jaws of Capitalism and said yes daddy please" - Ricardo Sanchez

[@danklordsupreme8864]

Yes because if we had a communist system everyone would have equal amounts of ammo, for free. Right??

[@ColeDedhand]

Capitalism is the worst economic system, except for all the others.

[@danklordsupreme8864]

@@ColeDedhand Elaborate.

[@johnbrenot2538]

@@danklordsupreme8864 Dude, it's a quote from Rick and Morty. My comment was more of a critique about companies bending over to prove how woke they, or how much they support our "democratic" institutions/security apparatus because that's the POV the people in power are exploiting at the moment. TLDR, they'll say or do anything to sell more shit, big surprise right?

[@GK-mr9ko]

@@danklordsupreme8864 criticizing capitalism’s faults doesn’t mean you support or want communism implemented.

[@markwomack4318]

I feel that keeping bullets out of civilian hands, military grade or otherwise, infringes on our second amendment.

[@tablerockkid8237]

I do know for sure that in some of the smaller (especially rural) departments, the officers do have to buy their own ammo for all practice and training. Some even buy their own ammo for duty carry, especially the depths where officers also furnish their own firearms .... but they are limited to certain types of ammo they can buy and carry. These departments don't even have an "armory" that stocks ammo.

[@HillbillyNitroUSA]

That old saying - When there’s doubt. There isn’t any doubt… 💥

[@tracybudesa7263]

I would really like to get a list of ammunition manufacturers that do not do that so I could support them instead

[@TXGRunner]

Like there is a choice right now? Ammo is so hard to find right now, and nothing else is produced until the insatiable appetite for 9mm and 223 Rem is satisfied.

[@____MC____]

S&b make small 50 rnd box without the extra packing. For 9mm

[@Noah0071]

Thank you for bringing this topic up. Like your guys videos.

[@necrofuryan5899]

I'm a member at a gun range with a large law enforcement presence. They sell ammo to shooters right at the front desk but lately they're always sold out, for obvious reasons. Me and a buddy of mine were there the other day and they have these huge shipping containers back by the pistol range and we noticed one of them wasn't padlocked and the door was slightly open. We peeked inside... floor to ceiling ammo, probably all for LE sale.

[@IrnMaiden304]

If they read this and find out who you are, you won't be a member for much longer. I believe you though, more then one way to skin a cat

[@Brennan_the_smith]

Bastards i lost all respect for LE in the last 16 months and now can give a damn less the majority have turned into dicks and the rest are cowards

[@FreedomTimes4130]

Just started watching these gripe videos from you guys. Love them. Thanks for doing it

[@barryrehnert1768]

In my experience, Military Exchanges sell LE marked ammo to authorized patrons.

[@tablerockkid8237]

In my experience, the exchanges rarely have ammo in stock.

[@fredrickjones4574]

These guys definitely hit it on the head! That's why I love watching their videos. We need more people to stand up and confront issues like this! I definitely believe in a balance of power, because the world is one way today doesn't mean it'll be that way tomorrow!

[@cheezychungus967]

Anyone else watching this on the toilet?

[@markjenkins6424]

Hey poop buddy!

[@ALT_RIGHT]

No I only watch Biden videos there

[@colbemugen9932]

yes i am on the toilet rn😎

[@michaelschmidt5179]

I watched it in the shower on my iPad, after I watched regular car reviews on the can.

[@Icecream-edible]

Always

[@wlc1980]

The Sheriff’s office I retired from after 31 years did a horrible job through multiple administrations, they did not allow us to use their range (we shared with a county police department) for practice, and they didn’t provide us with practice ammo. Then they bitched about people not being able to qualify. 10% were marksmen, 70% were average and 20% struggled to qualify on average. It was always my gripe that we didn’t have an open range with provided ammo for practicing. Luckily I was always a mid 90s shooter without practicing. Your ammo comments are spot on.

[@johndoe-so2ef]

C'mon man, you know what time it is. The ammo company knows they can gouge you, so they do.

[@Modded25]

around here reserve deputies have to supply their own vest, gun and ammo especially ammo for training

[@dhurley3468]

Got a hearty laugh at “serial bayonetings”

[@garand80]

I work for an ffl that is one of the biggest le dealers in my state and depending on the department some officers have to buy there own others are supplied by the department but since the pandemic the le supply is limited so they're buying the civilian ammo

[@DB.KOOPER]

I just noticed last night that Primary Arms has a "law enforcement only" 1-5x LPVO... it looks pretty meh but its odd that an OPTIC would be regulated like that.

[@clintfawson3302]

My local sheriff's department just tried to ordered ammunition for the next fiscal year knowing the current situation. They were told their ammo order is 1 year out. They are now looking to other agencies to sell them some ammunition to get through until next year. Ibhope thing change soon.. Thanks for the video.

[@kevinclause4p55p5]

I don't believe in carry ammo. I just load up with cheap range stuff. The range is the only place I plan on shooting.

[@stephenhair5501]

Agreed. Thanks for covering this topic.

[@sweettea5329]

Police are civilians too. Last I checked, law enforcement wasn't a branch of the armed forces.

[@VapeTime79]

I mean, I was in the army and I totally agree with you. I don’t remember them being a branch of service.

[@VapeTime79]

Don’t get me wrong. I totally respect them and I respect the job that they do. I know many of them here in Colorado Springs and they are some of the most amazing people that I have ever met. But they shouldn’t have more rights than we do.

[@mjolnirdynamics8789]

I had issues with the HST 147gr feeding in my Glock34-Gen5. Which is exactly why you MUST test your carry info. I love the HST and it broke my heart not to use that 147gr suppressed. Still, if it don't work then it don't work. The 147's feed fine in my Glock 19 Gen5's though.

[@sahkia3326]

Eric,,,, everything that Law Enforcement has,,,, Joe Blow Civilian,,, should have,,, including Full Auto..... Have a nice day 😊

[@1LSWilliam]

As always, you ask excellent questions! Thanks!!

[@Upper_Room_Studios]

Hey Eric! Losing weight? Looking good bro!

[@ThePatriotParadox]

Great video and one of my favorite gun gripe videos lately.

[@theodoreheintz7891]

Part of it is because there is an 11% excise tax on ammo. Ammo meant for LE is exempt. In order to keep track of which ammo is exempt they just make a different SKU.

[@tomahawk5118]

Had Buds Guns tell me I couldn’t buy rounds that were very well stocked and cheaper because the were program boxes, LE only. They asked if I was LE and I had to admit I was not. Oddly enough I served my years in LE and the military yet that’s not good enough. My POST cert came from Forsyth, GA. I’m with y’all on this topic!

[@tomahawk5118]

@@donovanchilton5817 yep. That was the first time I’ve ever seen ammo set out behind the sales counter and beside all the other ammo and told it was only for active LE.

[@IC2nuttz]

Hahahahahaha, I wish I worked at a department that issued ammo like that. I work for University with about 50k people on campus everyday. the department only issues the initial duty loadouts and re-issues during gun qualification.

[@Jared24975]

Maybe living in a small area but being in law enforcement I've had to purchase my own ammo to qualify more than once. One department they thought they were doing you a favor by giving you 50 rounds to shoot once every few months. Not that either will stop me from shooting every week. But I will say last year we couldn't find ammo to qualify with and had to shuck out our good rounds and load up with fmj to qualify.

[@sladeoriginal]

I bet a certain number of LE boxes are filled and kept to the side so the civilian ammo prices stay at a certain price.

[@FarmersSON55]

Ive been wondering about this for years, excellent video y'all

[@TheHanshotfirst]

Y'all are doing God's work

[@thomasjefferson4662]

I saw a gun shop had a case of glocks all for LE military firefighters ems retired and vets only. They were 15% less than normal. I asked the guy he said Glock likes to give them discounts

[@mikel2730]

Lol donut operator just had a fundraiser to buy guns ,ammo ,vests for Leos in Tennessee because their department doesnt have funds to buy them the gear.

[@joshuagibson2520]

What? Where in Tn? I live here.

[@Codiea]

Haha yeah sounds like something he’d do.

[@keithbays2724]

The whole DC firearms purchase procedure was in a series of articles, “Emily Gets Her Gun.” The one FFL worked out of a police station. To get a handgun you had to go to an FFL dealer outside of DC and purchase it and have it shipped to the DC FFL. There weren’t any FFL dealers in DC, and the one FFL did transfers only. I don’t know if it is still that way in DC or not.

[@Fister_of_Muppets]

Another reason they aren't selling the LE ammo as much: A lot of LEO's have quit, depending where you live.

[@phantomf4g304]

Videos like this are why we appreciate you guys. Frank & honest.

[@Harris4267]

O’how I miss pre plandimic Ammo prices. Last I got at the begging of the plan d was 1k 124g S&B for like $219 $.219 per round rd. I wish glad I stocked up though lol

[@ThePatriotParadox]

I wish I could come to know ammo prices like that!

[@rottdad775]

Even 22 cents is overpriced

[@ThePatriotParadox]

@@rottdad775 I could see under $20.00 for a box of one hundred, maybe 10 or 15 bucks.

[@Oldhogleg]

Made the same observations over the years as well!

[@BBEEAATTNNGGUU]

Firearms/ammo production needs to be deregulated. These companies suck dog crap off the boot of LEOS/Military, and LEO/Military have reached epic levels of arrogance towards civilians.

[@pauld136]

10:00 100% not true in my department. Actually it’s the opposite. We only shoot 10 rnds per officer thru our patrol rifle. Side arm about 100 rds.

[@GrantsDad]

I bought 200 rounds of 124gr hst and 200 rounds of that Winchester ranger t 147gr all for $25 per 50 rounds right before covid I also ordered 2 cases of 124gr brass 9mm for 20cpr in the beginning of covid

[@urwingman0121]

A vast majority of those living in the major cities forgot/ignore the definition of "criminals." "Criminals don't follow laws" is a pill they can't seem to swallow and if they do, they cannot digest. It's sad.

[@williamhoesch737]

I want a thermite rod so I can cut through all the BS

[@davidkohler7454]

The L E. In my area have to purchase their own practice ammo. When ammo was unobtainable a some were Comming to me for my reloads. I ended up with buckets of brass so it was great for me.up until I couldn't get enough primers to keep up.

[@macriggland6526]

I'm more concerned about gun manufacturers streamlining all of their hand guns into non-civilian calibers and then ammo producers getting government contracts in the future to drive up the price of ammo.

[@SurmaSampo]

There are no non-civilian calibres.

[@macriggland6526]

@@SurmaSampo There are civilian only calibers.

[@SurmaSampo]

@@macriggland6526 Ok, That in no way supports your point or contradicts mine. Since the most commonly used calibers by the military as also the most popular civilian calibres then that streamlining would decrease the price of most handgun ammo. Ammo manufacturers already make ammo for the government. DId you think the government has its own special factories? No part of your argument makes sense.

[@macriggland6526]

@@SurmaSampo Exactly. Ammo manufacturers make ammo for the government. So, the government has the power to influence the price of ammo. Do you think government agencies are always looking for the lowest prices? I can point to some pretty glaring examples of that not being the case. If you have a robust civilian-only caliber market niche, the governments have no ability to directly influence the price of those calibers.

[@macriggland6526]

@@SurmaSampo So potentially, defunding the police will be one of the best ways to keep the price of 9mm and .40 low

[@matthewcampbell3466]

Also, one thing I did notice, is that the critical duty rounds are a higher grain weight and in some cases are plus p rounds while the critical defense is a lower grain weight and is not a plus p round.

[@wle5960]

At this point in time...nothing is off the table. I too wondered if both the firearm and ammo manufacturers have climbed into bed with the Liptards. Been waiting on Savage Chassis rifle for just shy 10 months...my gunstore and they rock, can not lay hold of one for me...sure feels like gun control to me...same on powders and primers...not to mention bullets.

[@therideneverends1697]

because right wingers keep panic buying. you are getting angry at a situation you have created

[@RokU5]

@@therideneverends1697 largest amounts of sales are to first time Gun owners (aka scared leftists)

[@therideneverends1697]

@@RokU5 that is incorrect

[@raizulid.6638]

Cuz of all the republiturds are prepping for CW2.