Gun Gripes

[@johnsnyder5470]

I am 70 years old and I very much remember buying Winchester Western Super X 22 rimfire for $0.25 cents for 50 round boxes. Usually bought them at a gasoline station while Dad was getting $2.00 worth of gas. (that was 10 gallons). Honest truth!

[@jeffroW0331]

The good ol days..till the 70's hit and I was born

[@ChaohsiangChen]

That's why stock piling anything valuable, stocks, gold, silver, ammo, guns, land, bitcoin, anything usable and can be traded, is better than fiat.

[@kalexzhang8312]

@@ChaohsiangChen not bitcoin and stock, good company stock is good, but trust me bitcoin will be worthless

[@simonp1165]

and your wage was 50 dollars a month :D

[@jerryfallin1753]

Im now 73 and I remember the good old days to ! Smokes were 15 c A pack and a coke was .5 each 🥴

[@MattHeere]

When primers are back on the shelves I'll start having some hope.

[@AlaskanBallistics]

Amen brother

[@VoodooBrown]

I got primers at my store 👀

[@jeremybuttenhoff8989]

More ammo production means less primers to market!

[@JohnThomas-gj2zg]

I have to save the something and it looks good on prices for a little while or longer i hope......

[@JohnThomas-gj2zg]

I would love to see the ammo i use for my 6.5 creed Moore would come back out to the store i was getting it from ........

[@uchihabro77]

The ammo in my area is building up, its just the prices are staying high than what some are willing to buy.

[@keel3r433]

Same around here in Michigan, but once it sits on the shelves for awhile, they will realize they aren't selling like they need to it'll start coming down. Now I doubt it will drop to as cheap as it used to be, but maybe to like 7-10% higher or so of what it used to be

[@china_sickness7005]

If people won’t buy it, the prices go down. As long as some dummy is willing to spend a dollar and fifty cents for one 22LR round, the retailers will sell it as such. The American gun owners started this problem by hoarding ammo like crazy. By buying overpriced ammunition, you’re contributing to the problem. That’s just how it is

[@tomr9661]

Same here on the west coast, but I think for everybody, inexpensive ammo has went the way of $ 1.99 per gallon gas.

[@totalmetaljacket789]

@@tomr9661 You say this as if gas went up to 4$ in 2008 and never came down.

[@BigTomInTheBasement]

@@totalmetaljacket789 monetary inflation isn't being reversed. Hopefully economies of scale and reduced demand change the equation again.

[@sambonedallas]

There’s been loads of 9mm .556 for months in Ohio, it’s all way overpriced and it just sits there not gunna overpay for this bs shortage

[@TheCowboyfromhell87]

That's what everyone should do. The longer it sits on shelves without anyone buying it, the better. Stores will have to drop the price in order to sell.

[@rexman971]

@@TheCowboyfromhell87 Well there will always be a rich rambo who buys it all up anyway.

[@TheRustedShackleford]

Not around Cincinnati.

[@sambonedallas]

@@TheRustedShackleford head up to Cleveland…our local fin feather fur will gladly price gouge ya

[@TheRustedShackleford]

@@sambonedallas lol I'm good. I'll just keep an eye out at ammoseek. The Cabelas around here has it st around $.36 a lot of the time. I'll buy it when I really want to do some plinking.

[@vicdiaz5180]

Ammo is there, prices ain’t coming down too much

[@calebclark6739]

Yep. Prices are crazy. I’m Probly selling some guns. Getting priced out of the hobby

[@Greenhorn.]

@@calebclark6739 I hear you. The only thing I can afford to shoot is 22.

[@NotThisGuy12]

Not sure where you all are from but prices have dropped 50% from this time last year and earlier this year. 9mm is about $.30 and 5.56 is around $.35-$.42 a round here.

[@DocMitchell69]

Ammo came down a bit in NC. Dunno about anywhere else.

[@vicdiaz5180]

@@Greenhorn. Walmart has the cheapest 22LR $6.90 for a box of 100 rounds of Winchester

[@danieldelgado8839]

As an Academy employee I can say the prices are at least stabilized now and the only ammo that seems to keep selling out each time is FMJ 9mm everything else seems to stay on the shelves for a few days to where people can mostly get what they want,primers and powder is still hit or miss.Overall way better than just 3/4 months ago

[@johnqpublic2718]

Ignoring the prices, my local Academy has kept me shooting. Big ups Academy!

[@MJA5]

.22 LR and .17 HMR are maintaining their elevated prices in my experience. I live in Utah and the price has come down on the common calibers. I shot 10mm all summer long because it was cheaper than 9mm. I now have forearms like Popeye. My girl looked like Olive Oyl even before all this craziness.

[@jeffroW0331]

10mm was abundant in Indiana during the coof

[@MJA5]

@@jeffroW0331 I could get 10mm 180 gr. Magtech for $29.99 a box. It's like it didn't change price at all. FMJ 9mm was going for 10 or 15 bucks more. So my Glock 40 got a work out. Had to practice with the RMR anyway.

[@BeardedxPostman]

Local store here is trying to sell 500 Rd range pack of .22 lr for 150

[@Kolby9241]

I can agree except im in AK. .22 is not available but 17HMR is. The 10mm bear loads were non existent. I was able to find 9mm brass loads at most bass pro and cabelas. I believe its a bit reversed

[@jeffroW0331]

@@MJA5 yep, 10mm didn't change in price here either. My only problem is I don't own a 10mm lol. Buddy had a Colt 1911 10mm for $1700 w/ammo but I prefer a commander over a full size. Fortunately my 9mm and 5.56 has been up to snuff..and still stacking for the next big scare. Never know what king biden and his minions will attempt next🇺🇸

[@romanovskie3381]

Yup quality has gone down. I was at the range the other month target shooting brand new federal .38special range ammo and had a squib load go off in my revolver. Thankfully I recognized the recoil and bang wasn’t quite right so I checked and sure enough the bullet was about 1inch from coming out the barrel. Coulda been a disaster if I didn’t check and shot another round. Unacceptable that it happened but rare anyways.

[@misterjustice995]

Holy crap man great job feeling that and checking I’ve never had any malfunctions or anything in my time shooting which isn’t long I’ve probably only shot 1,000 rounds in my life but I’m only 17

[@mikewinning3282]

I used to work at federal and right now they are bypassing normal testing just to get bodies in the door.

[@BigTomInTheBasement]

@@mikewinning3282 not cool. For experienced shooters we might catch it. if we're doing double shot drills even experienced shooters might miss it and have a squib destroy our equipment or our person.

[@garykappes4654]

Yep I shoot a lot and I've had some problems with poor quality ammo. .22LR and some 9mm. I also reload but primmers are real tough to find.

[@timrobertson299]

as a worker at one of the major brand ammo companies, you are pretty much spot on when you speak of the planning and scheduling of machines, also what gets run due to popularity of the item, also material is getting harder to get, and keep in good supply mainly good lead, brass and copper, there has been a 5-15% increase in production cost being passed down to the customer as of the 1st quarter of 21. ammo seems to be getting more plentiful and prices are starting to drop some but not near fast enough.

[@massimothetrog7111]

they started weekend shifts at the white box ammo maker, I love only being required to work 3 days.

[@timrobertson299]

@@massimothetrog7111 I’m not sure how they run schedule down south but the home plant has historically always worked 24/7 when orders were high and a lot of forced overtime in effected departments.

[@massimothetrog7111]

@@timrobertson299 still a lot of mandatory overtime during the week, but the weekend shift has at least allowed folks to have most Saturdays off. I take it we work for the same folks?

[@timrobertson299]

@@massimothetrog7111 sounds like it. I’m an adjuster and I run a bullet bonding unit for handgun ammo. Most of it is government orders. My mom and and a huge number of my family members have worked for and retired from here. I’ve been here just over a year. Huge career change but I enjoy it.

[@massimothetrog7111]

@@timrobertson299 I'm a capping adjuster, First job I've ever had with air conditioning, with only a slight risk of random explosions! East Alton? Oxford, MS here.

[@markjenkins6424]

I'm finding ammo at local stores. Supply is going up, but at these prices, people aren't buying them out, so once the supply levels out, prices will go back down.

[@RATTL3R186]

Exactly

[@markjenkins6424]

@Gaydolf Shitler it has already started slowly going down. RK here, for instance, had massive displays and stacks of bulk that was already priced lower than it was when they constantly sold out. It is still high, but not leveled out yet.

[@markjenkins6424]

This is all assuming we don't have the left or big elections spooking the market as well.

[@jutde]

@@markjenkins6424 I'm more concerned with the 6.2% inflation forcing manufacturers to offer raises to retain good employees to sustain production and making these prices the "new normal".

[@markjenkins6424]

@Gaydolf Shitler yeah I was wondering how the ban would affect those prices.

[@comiketiger]

Another huge factor was Remington closing down for a while. They are now running 24/7. The negative was the ban on ammo from Russia. I'm not sure if this is a factor or not yet.

[@ditchdigger93]

Factor or not it was pure stupidity.

[@comiketiger]

@@ditchdigger93 amen to that, brother. Relative to what they were talking about, I wasn't sure how much an effect statistically it has had yet.

[@truckert9729]

The ban was not as big as a factor as it could have been. Short term sure people panic buying thinking it wont be there. Long term, it will be a good thing as a few US companies are gearing up for steel case ammo manufacturing.

[@mr.mr.3301]

You can always find 9 and 223 but hunting ammo missed the mark this year. That being said every gun owner should never get down to a box of anything. Not having ammo to hunt was poor planning. Unless you bought a new caliber.

[@TheGrimCreeper95]

Here in CA you can't find any pistol rounds, still flying off the shelf when they do come in. But a TON of hunting rounds in all calibers

[@SuspiciousGanymede]

I only found one type of.223 SP for hunting this year but it didnt group well and was almost double the price.. I ended up using 5.56 M193 FMJ but it worked about the same and was cheaper.

[@mattp1455]

@@TheGrimCreeper95 where in CA? I'm in the Redding area stores here are getting pistol ammo every week. Reloading supplies are still hard to get.

[@Kolby9241]

I got a .300 WM Tikka t3x lite in Sep 2020 in prep to move to Alaska. I ended up buying almost 250 rounds of Super X 180gr and I wont have to worry about ammunition for my rifle for a while. I believe that with everything I have stocked up on that I’ll be set but I have some friends asking me for 2-3 rounds as back ups for their big hunts.

[@TheGrimCreeper95]

@@mattp1455 I'm in fresno. Some weeks we'll get pistol rounds, some weeks we won't. But there always a long line.

[@awsomedude9111]

Working at academy, the supply is the same, but we are just selling it as soon as it comes on the shelf with some ammo types. Better go each day or order online. Really it’s great that we have people buying like crazy still because if we go to war at least in Texas we will have a lot.

[@newegggamer]

You think that's a good thing? Lol

[@1sttimegunowner]

Be a lot of dead boomers with crazy stockpiles around me if we go to war. Every morning I see a line of retirees outside my academy. Same guys every day lol

[@losoway4505]

@@1sttimegunowner 😂😂😂

[@mr.mercury4247]

In my experience the availability has gone back up but the price has not decreased at all yet.

[@jeffroW0331]

Nothing coming down in price with an inflated economy

[@stevennewman4778]

I’m starting to see 9mm below $20. Earlier this year it was $40. .22LR has come down a lot since spring. .223/5.56 os still way too high.

[@EasyMoneySG]

At the local cabellas, there are lots of rounds on the shelves. still higher than it was in 2019

[@ajaronis1]

Just got back from Tulsa Gun show. I was shocked how high ammo prices were. They got people attempting to sell 500 rounds of .22LR Thunderbolt for $75 lol. The gouging is ridiculous.

[@ajaronis1]

@Peter Angles Yep exactly. Even that's high really but that's no $75. I'd get that any day than insane gun show prices. Thanks.

[@gewtube3794]

Tons of ammo in stock!.....its just double the price still

[@mikehancho1613]

At $30 a box for 308 hunting ammo I'm glad I'm stocked for years. Everyone just has to stop panic buying.

[@HDA_III]

Good luck with that request

[@indydurtdigger2867]

I'd take 30 a box. The common stuff in my area for Hornady, Federal, and others has been 40+. The only exception for hunting ammo at least is occasionally finding Norma soft point ammo not always in common calibers for 25 a box.

[@mikehancho1613]

@@indydurtdigger2867 through this whole pandemic I was still getting 308 winchester soft points for about 16 a box getting ready for deer season. Just the other day they jacked up price to 30 a box. I'll pass

[@smithnwesson990]

@@indydurtdigger2867 people need to simply stop buying or only buy very little. Until then it won't come down because stores know you'll buy it at inflated prices

[@indydurtdigger2867]

@@smithnwesson990 Given the current political climate and their no F's given approach to the laws and constitution I don't see people slowing down their buying anytime soon. Around here if a store has what you need for hunting ammo you have to get while you can. Coming back later isn't yet an option. Fortunately I handload and as soon as the lefties started their crap I started ordering. So long as I stick with the powder misers I'm fixed for a good while.

[@slowpokebr549]

30 30 was impossible to find until very recently here in Mo.

[@As130thps]

30-30 is a blast to shoot. Al throughout the plandemic I didn’t see a single box of it at any of my usual spots in the STL area.

[@liamdoyle8461]

Hopefully tulammo moving to Ukraine isn't just hearsay

[@Toxic9813]

Yo….. what’s the source on this?!

[@z50com]

Palmetto State Armory said they are going to produce steel case ammo here in the United States

[@kalexzhang8312]

@@z50com That would be awesome!

[@kalin6149]

It's still speculation unfortunately.

[@jaybosher6144]

@@z50com they say they should start producing rounds early in 2023 so we are a bit away

[@crazykyy]

Chad is channeling his inner grandpa looking over the top of his glasses to read his phone 🤣. Made me chuckle.

[@hoffdodge]

Yup. I do that. My old eyes aint what they used to be.

[@GingerHammer]

I work at an ammo manufacturer. Raw copper was about $1.60 per pound, pre-pandemic. As of right now, we are at $6.30. It's just not going to come down with raw material this high. You can have some sales, sure. But the overall cost is going to be high for a while...

[@levistrauss5378]

I've noticed the quality and reliability of ammo has decreased sharply and the cost has increased even more.

[@Slake2]

Fuel in Sweden is almost at 10 US Dollar per gallon.

[@AMX86]

Yet there was no shortage of gun cleaning supplies. Makes one wonder about maintenance.

[@SmoothJK]

It probably means people are buying and stocking ammo, but shooting less (hence less cleaning). It's too pricey to shoot a lot now.

[@FishFind3000]

If people are panic buying firearms and ammo they want to maximize there kit. Not many people that panic buy are thinking about that since they were not prepared in the first place.

[@mattschmitt9924]

I have noticed and pointed out this same thing.

[@oldhillbillybuckkowalski]

If you can't find and/or afford ammo to shoot then the demand for cleaning kits/supplies probably drops, just like the demand for targets probably fell off. If you have no ammo your gun doesn't get dirty and your targets last a very long time.

[@BrundonC]

What a great quote for all aspects of life. “The good old days are now”

[@jordanknoll2864]

FJB and the nwo.

[@projectone4135]

@@jordanknoll2864 the good old days are right now.

[@projectone4135]

Agree.

[@dennisdesapience727]

So, tell me, did Walmart have a two-for-one special on eyeglasses?

[@volkssturm9694]

I was looking at the comments it’s pretty much clear including my experience availability is certainly there but the price came down just a little now it’s leveled off at about twice the initial cost as compared to 2019. Luckily I got a truckload back in 2018 2019 of all calibers been using a little bit of that but going to Academy twice a week and getting reasonably priced normal caliber 9 mm 40 caliber 556 and even 22 LR they have at 7-8 cents / round . Given the scarcity of things like copper and primers and inflation I’m not sure if it’ll ever come down to 2019 prices

[@theDRHT]

I say guns sales being lower is probably due to inflation. I know my disposable income tightening up.

[@sam_rules76]

Bass pro ammo prices went up as availability went up. The prices were low when there was limited availability. That doesn't make much sense but w/e

[@slugger545]

If only we could have WW2 level ammo production lol

[@Eddiemonster82]

300 win mag is ridiculously priced if you can find it, I've seen prices up to $120 a box but I have found it as low as $33 a box.

[@AlaskanBallistics]

Yeah out here except for $90 grizzly

[@papimiami1938]

Yep , I shoot 300 weatherby... I feel your pain

[@topduk]

Less than a year ago PPU surplus was $0.75/rnd.

[@scottdpugnificent]

50bmg is coming down though lol

[@yungivanc]

Doing workouts that require you to use your hands and practicing the skill of aiming with your firearms while under some stress is a great way to lower consumption on ammo significantly in the long run.

[@Psiqo]

As a person that works in a large scale factory (not firearms related unfortunately) I completely understand both sides of the coin

[@paulcrawford9007]

My local gun shop owner laughs like a James Bond villain when I ask about the availability of 32 ACP.

[@Badrecon33]

I feel like there are 2 jokes in this statement.

[@corymcpherson1235]

.32 has been impossible to find at a reasonable price

[@ronjambou6672]

.25 acp is the same way. 30 dollars for a box of 50 lolol

[@joesmith5604]

Me too

[@ronjambou6672]

@@joesmith5604 go to NORMA SHOOTING. 32 acp for sale and cheap.

[@1968CudaGuy]

I love reloading.... Had purchased primers and powder for years and collected up buckets of brass. Cast a lot of bullets now that prices for plated and jacketed bullets are still pretty high. Loading 44 Special and 44 Mag this week did a bunch of 38 and 357 the last two weeks...

[@seribas]

I've been low key hoarding buckets of brass with the hopes of being able to get into reloading some day. Live in a 1 bedroom apartment so that will have to wait

[@cheesewagon85]

I haven't seen a box of .357 in 2 years, yet my LGS has pallets of 9mm and 223 sitting out.

[@ctsmith9225]

Same

[@macthomas6381]

Funny, my local Cabela’s has .357 and no 9mm.

[@zillsburyy1]

yes it is. target sports usa is back in stock

[@carterthiessen2664]

All of this just makes me more and more glad I bought about 20k primers and 20 pounds of various powders 3 years ago

[@carlosgutierrezjimenez200]

Awesome episode, fellas. Love the videos, Chad & Eric work great together- always a lively, interesting, and educational discussion! Thanks guys

[@Enough_Tumbleweed]

Its a little easier to find, however, sellers aren't going to allow the prices to budge too much. Theyre absolutely raking in the dough right now. Federal xm193 bulk is still outrageous.

[@Kolby9241]

As someone stationed in Alaska the more prominent loads were .44, 10mm (hard cast or bear loads), .45, and 45-70. I’ve seen a lot of green tip and 9mm up for grab’s very recently. I was able to snag green tip XTAC 5.56 for 11.34 a box on base. Ive been buying boxes like that for the last month. I have yet to see any .22 ammunition including .22 WMR. I believe I’ve stocked up plenty but I know many who think $11 for 20 rounds of green tip is still exuberant for what it is.

[@residentevil5fan18]

I would imagine hardcast and any 4 leg critter protection ammo and guns would be hard to find in Alaska, here in Texas I’m finding all that but we don’t have big animals here lol so no need to buy, when i lived in AK in 2016 I bought a couple boxes of underwood 200 grain 10mm hardcast, i carry a spare mag of that in my new Springfield xdm since i carry a 10mm for personal protection

[@controlfreak1963]

(speaking as an industrial control systems expert) US Inflation and scarcity of materials will not allow reduction in prices. Raw metals are more expensive and harder to obtain. Supply and demand availability/pricing is not only occurring for the final products (how much ammo is reaching customers) but for the raw materials (how much raw material is reaching manufacturers). Copper prices have skyrocketed as an example. Barrel steel is also becoming more scarce.

[@curseofthegreat]

I’m doing as you said in your previous Gun Gripes video “How much ammo is enough?” Buy it cheap and stack it deep. Prices aren’t what they used to be, but that’s not an excuse to not take advantage of what you can find at a decent price.

[@SuspiciousGanymede]

5.56 is still $11/20rds, 7.62x39 went down and so did 9mm. 7.62x51/308 is still roughly $20/20 FMJ. Availability is increasing and some calibers are dropping in price.

[@12vietnow]

Reminds me of the great toilet paper wars of the spring of 2020. High demand, low supply.

[@SIRJ1895]

When I see 30-30 ammo on the shelf I’ll think things are getting better. Last 30-30 I seen on the shelf was $40 a box. Out their damn minds.

[@papimiami1938]

I was happy to find ONE box of 300 weatherby this summer , it was 80.00

[@kalin6149]

It's doubtful that most manufacturers were making ANY hunting ammo skews this cycle. Why shut down a press and retool for 30-30, 30-06, 444 marlin etc when they are feeding the 9mm monster demand, and 223 / 308 and the more common skews.

[@ArkonBlade]

ammo is full on my shelves but prices are still pretty bad $13 for a 50 rnd box of 22 $15 for 00 buckshot $14 for 20rnds of 223

[@Steelersguy84]

Great info, everybody stay calm, stock up slowly, that way the rug don't get pulled out from under the ammo manufacturers.

[@frank4fun64]

talking to a few gun shop owners here in Fla, seems as if the gun sales have slowed to the point distributors are tying ammo distribution to gun distribution, for example, if the local gun shop wants X rounds of 9mm, they must also buy X firearms. Basically the local gun shops are breaking even on firearms and must make their $$$ on ammo

[@gw9853]

The guys at my local gun shop have always said that. They make slim margins on the firearms but ammo is how they keep the lights on.

[@stevecochran9078]

Got an Arken SH II 6-24x MRAD on the way.

[@bengerman9736]

I can put up with high ammo prices, just don't play so much. When the price of feeding yourself gets so high you might have to choose what size cabbage you can afford is what's got me in a tizzy.

[@davidbirkes7308]

Yes thanks for bringing up the quality issues my 1911 is have trouble with even high end practice ammo lately

[@davidbirkes7308]

@Peter Angles I mean my kimber usually is fine and has no problems but when the edges of the ammo has a lot of lip thats not well finished it tends to not feed quite right but I know a lot of people don't like the kimbers I want to get a stainless colt mil spec soon

[@adamnajera1297]

Your 100% right about the quality going down over this pandemic.

[@wiltonsmith3397]

“You’re” or “You are”. NOT “Your”. (“Your” means something that the other person owns or possesses.)

[@michaelriley6008]

The only thing I’m having a hard time finding is Bernacki slugs federal 00 buck flight control and 357 defensive ammo and 38 special +P defensive ammo

[@china_sickness7005]

00 buck is stupid overpriced right now. Slugs were way cheaper a few months ago

[@carlosdaniels9515]

Trips to Service Merchandise with the grandparents as a kid. So many fond memories.

[@philllax1719]

My first pistol was a sig 938 and I fed it boxes and boxes of UMC for 7.99 from Walmart. I can't bring myself to buy tula for 20 bucks or brass case for 30.

[@someguy2741]

I went to a local bass pro in canada. They used to have an entire set of shelves with ammo. 25 feet long double sided. They only had part of one side 4 foot of shelf with ammo. Its crazy. The funny thing is the real gun stores still have plenty but people think bass pro is the only seller.

[@saltcreekammo]

They have purchasing power over mom and pop stores- they are given priority

[@someguy2741]

@@saltcreekammo Its almost the opposite. I think basspro canada isnt getting any ammo from basspro corporate because ammo is selling for way higher in the US. The local stores still have tons of ammo and primers and powder. The smaller stores need to order their own stuff (with less purchasing power) but dont have a corporate agenda and distribution. When I saw the US prices going all weird I went to the store and bought 500 9mm for $165cdn. Now its $220 cdn. It never did get crazy although the choice in powders is a bit garbage. But when I look at local online buy sell sites people are asking american prices for ammo which shows they have no idea about prices at the real gun stores. Its a weird separation. The same guy who is using a dedicated gun buy sell site but has no idea of the prices at real gun stores. Of course there are people trying to get rich selling garbage to stupid people. One part of the law states that rim fire and percussion stuff isnt fire arms so dont need a license. This is cool if you want to buy an 1861 army clone. That would make some sense. But the prices of junk firing 41 rimfire and even more obscure rounds have shot way up. The people who buy dont have licenses so dont know that the obsolete rimfire stuff is next to impossible to find and is 10 dollars or more a round and 130 years old. Its weird times. Its good to see the rioting is less and ammo prices are coming down. If kenosha ends well then things should be a lot better... after the inevitable riots.

[@MeanestManAlive]

@@someguy2741 The riots against commies getting twisted is the fun part, nothing is going to get better

[@aLLsTaR_617]

Yes but prices are still way up

[@johnlynch5167]

I'm waiting till the prices drop.

[@timowens7214]

Things are alot better but it's not back to normal if it ever does

[@CaesarGB]

I was looking for some 5.56 hollow points for hunting and they were 33 bucks for a 20 round box on MidwayUSA. Every other hollow point by the same brand was twice that or more.

[@jeffroW0331]

Salty!!

[@stomach6968]

imi 77gr is in stock for $23 at midway

[@nunyabidniz2868]

Bottom line: when primers cost as much as loaded ammo used to do, and you still can't have any because nobody has them in stock, then reloading doesn't work & the ammo prices won't come down until everyone just dials back on their panic and stops buying ammo until the supply pipeline can refill...

[@ryanthomas2374]

If you think anything is getting better, you aren't opening your eyes

[@phantomf4g304]

The thing I appreciate about you guys is the "buddy next door" way you go about your videos.

[@Chris-wn3vr]

Ammo is back instock, but it's still atleast 2x the normal price.

[@ArkonBlade]

or more I remember before the pandemic being able to get 50 rnds of 9mm for $9 on sales. Going for around $25-$30

[@Chris-wn3vr]

@@ArkonBlade 9mm has come back to reality near me. $16-20 a box. Not as cheap as it used to be but better than $25 for sure.

[@mikebabb2155]

I remember 1,400 round tubs of .22lr being priced at about ten dollars at Kmart.

[@jsog6]

Just visited Cabela’s in Buda, Texas. Well stocked for hunting ammo. Prices were very good and a lot of options in some calibers. 40 S&W range ammo was about .40 a round. No 22LR ammo. I normally go thru 10-15 rounds a year on my 308 ammo. ( Saturday used 3 rounds in my Savage to check zero), the rest for hunting. My shotgun slugs are. 500 grain, considerable more led than my 150gr 308 ammo. In a IDPA match, it is easy to go thru 120+ rounds of ammo. I will continue to but ammo as I can, regardless what in in the safe. Lastly don’t forget the inflated federal tax on new ammo (11%)

[@fitz6434]

Primers, when you can find them, still at least 2x sometimes 3x the pre-covid cost

[@drillsergeant623]

2020 - gun stores marked up prices 100% +, big box stores did not 2021 - gun stores dropped prices dow to around 50%, big box stores raised they’re prices to around 50%. My experience.

[@lukejolley8354]

Awesome video, couple things to remember: nominal wages are going up more or less in line with prices in general (which is what you see in ACTUAL monetary inflation), inflation is bad for seniors on fixed income but you have to remember that inflation destroys debt arithmetically. As inflation goes up the real realized value of debt goes down, so if you have student debt you should be somewhat happy to see inflation. Deflation is reaaally bad because the real value of debt increases and that’s what happened in the 1930s depression (It’s called a debt deflation and it’s reaaal bad)

[@muddcnt7138]

You are right, but unfortunately the inverse to debt having decreased realized value is that so do your investments.

[@jordy2299]

“Ammo crisis” is never better. If things were better, there would be no more crisis. A crisis is always bad. Yes, it’s less bad, now though. Thank god it’s not getting worse!! Although I’m getting tired of only being able to afford crappy .22

[@swampfox7522]

afford isnt an issue. its qll the dickheads buying it up no availability

[@larrymayfield5677]

It's back on the shelves at my local stores in Texas. Lots of new manufacturers as well.

[@Hidalguense]

Yea, but prices are pretty high.

[@lawrencestanley8989]

The simple answer for anyone who HAS to put food on the table is flintlock muzzleloaders. You can knap your own flints from river chert, and make your own black powder from very readily available sources. The only thing you need to outsource is lead, but THAT at least we can find.

[@keithplymale2374]

What I remember was 50 round boxes of ball ammo being so reasonable I thought nothing about getting 2 to 4 in 9mm, .375 and .44 magnum and that does even not talk about millsup ammo that was still out there in the 1990's.

[@andybaker1784]

This last March my LGS had a limit of 2 boxes on all ammo. Friday, 12-03-2021 .556, 9mm ball and 12 gauge buck was no limit but if you bought 10 boxes you got 1 box free. On 12-10-2021 the offer was still there. I didn't check prices for 9mm and 12 gauge but .556 was $1.OO less per box than the week before.

[@bigblueglide8021]

Do you think Alec B will be available to play the prosecuting attorney in the made for TV Kenosha Kid movie?

[@As130thps]

Hahahahhahaha

[@kg5radio716]

Interestingly he already played a prosecutor back in 1996. I see where you’re going there, though. 😄

[@Toms_Bright_Ideas]

When I want to relax I like pulling up the Lucky Gunner video at the Federal Ammunition plant up in Anoka MN making 22LR, about 40 minutes north of where I live. If you ever want to go up there, give me a yell, I love plant trips.

[@Carl007Jr]

It's getting much better, faster. We are not at the good old days, but it's definitely getting better, faster.

[@almostontimehero5415]

Fiocchi and Sellier&Bellot are my two favorite ammo makers, if I get my choice. Lately Ill take anything with value cause I need more volume since my stock got low this last year.

[@lutherhitt7430]

Just had a delivery, today 11/18/21. 5000 rounds, CCI Mini-Mag .22 LR, 40 Grain, Bulk 3050CC, Copper Plated Round Nose, $505.91 Tax & Free Shipping. Not great but the best price I have seen in 1 Year. NY resident. Target Sports!

[@TheRustedShackleford]

I dont think gun demand has actually dropped. It's just a pain in the ass the find anything in stock, if you want something specific. Took me a couple of weeks to hunt down a Beretta 92a1 and it looked like plenty of other guns were out of stock too.

[@BenfromFlux]

Great topic, thank you Eric and Chad!

[@jccuby7771]

Bought a shit Ton of ammo when it was cheap. Haven’t bought ammo in like 6 years.

[@timelliott6036]

In SW WA state… went into a gun shop and three sports chain stores last week. No 9mm, no .45, no .22 only some 10mm. Still waiting for it to get “better.” Trying to replace what I have shot… signs up all over “limit 2 boxes,” yet there were none on the shelf.

[@TheFowlerAirgunChannel]

Airgun ammo sucks finding right now let alone...

[@tuckalicious1]

Good discussion and break down of things for people! I used to get 15 rd boxes of foster 12 ga slugs for 11.99 and 100 rd box of clay shells for 21.99. 500 rd bricks of 22 or thunderbolt used to be 11.99. Everything is just crazy anymore

[@thetobaccoguy1751]

I agree totally with Chad's point on .22 ammo. Match grade has gone up 10%-20%. Normal bulk pack has jumped 300%. Why buy crap when premo is marginally more?

[@Pwj579]

I agree, for 5.56 you couldn’t get for less than $1 per round. Now you can get for .50-.60 per round online. I have noticed that in store prices have not come down as fast.

[@rednecksniper4715]

I’m convinced every 30-06 line swapped to 308

[@teedermcdribble]

Haven't bought factory ammo in quite a while. Since I've been reloading and casting, all I need is primers n powder. That was rough to find for a while. I'd check everglades ammo for brass just to see what they had n if it was in stock it would be sold in a day or so. Glad I started reloading years ago so I don't need to rely on out of stock local stores. Thanks for the great vids.

[@veevans01ify]

In the last month I have found .40 caliber for .45 to .48 cents a round. There is so much .40 caliber ammunition out here in Atlanta that I bought a Glock 27 Gen 5. I have also found 7.62x39 in the last month. Prices range from $6.99 to $9.99 for a box of 20.

[@wavelengthdesigns]

Here in Vegas, I'm seeing ammo on the shelves more consistently, however prices are still in the stratosphere. $60 a box for decent 308, $30 a box for 7.62x51 fmj. I am still ordering everything online except the rare occasions that I see reasonably priced stuff. Have seen 9mm FMJ for .33/rd and target shotgun for $10/box on occasion.

[@luciankristov6436]

I bought an airforce texan 50 cal airgun. Pretty good power for an airgun. I can push a 450 grain spitzer about 980 fps getting 960 lbs of muzzle energy. I can shoot it out to 800 yards and get decent groups. I get range lead for free and have a 4500 psi compressor and two 45 minute scotts tanks and about 40 shots per tank at 3850 psi tethered and regulated. I shoot for free and love it. Definitely a good investment. I actually prefer it now over my powder burners. I get about 7/16ths inch groups at 100 yards .

[@madtownangler]

Well they had about five different kinds of rifle cartridges in a local hardware store I was just at and none of it was normal ammo.

[@jeffroW0331]

What's normal

[@garrettelliott2565]

In Houston Texas common calibers (9mm, .223, .308, .22LR) is at least holding on the shelves overnight. The cheapest I've seen for a 50 round box of 9mm was $17 so far. Finding less common calibers that I like such as .357mag, 30 carbine and 300 blackout is a hit or miss.

[@Drawde907]

Haven't had any issues lately with common calibers . 380,9,40,45,10,223-556,308, 762x39,12g. All of that stuff is on the shelves here in AK , the hoarding has stopped . The handgun rounds are expensive but the rifle stuff isn't bad .. lots of hunting rounds available also just not as much .

[@GunSam]

I saw my local retailer tell an Amish guy that they don't have any .270 Winchester at all. This was a week before Michigan firearm deer opener. I highly doubt he went and found it online.

[@Physics072]

I would advise all of you to invest in a Daystate PCP pellet gun. No primers needed, silent, accurate. No casings, not tumbling, no seating or powder measures. All you need is AIR and for now its in good supply.

[@masonjohns208]

I glad to see Remington cor- lok ammo it's great hunting ammo and shoots extremely well out of my 308