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[@silentscarlett17]

Love you guys come to Florida for a meet and greet. RIP Barry forever a legend.

[@johnparrish9215]

Yes, come to Florida. Don't feel sorry for Barry as he is hanging out with John Browning and Freinds.

[@DeadBaron]

They were designed to be shot, not gather dust and rust away. Just clean and oil properly.

[@skepticalbadger]

Do that with all of them, and there will be none left in the future. There is a happy medium of shooting some, keeping others preserved.

[@eberbacher007]

not all of them, if you have serial nr 1 of each us military firearm, basically unfired, , they need to be well stored and shown to the public in perfect condition, not used time and time again

[@thegoldencaulk2742]

I'll shoot anything once unless it's value is directly derived from it having never been fired. But I don't collect stuff like that. I collect shooters.

[@willblucat3335]

Why do I see you on every gun channel I watch?

[@troydecker9685]

Ive got a 1917 Enfield that was refurbed in 1941. I shoot it all the time. It is one of my favorite rifles i have.

[@cutlerylover]

The only reason we like old stuff is because it brings us back to that era its cool because its rare so why not enjoy it, if your talking about a gun and know it wont blow up in your face shoot it its way more fun than holding it :) Oldest gun I own is my wifes, a 12G side by side from 1902, it shot like it was made last week...Only WAAAAAAY smoother :)

[@mateobang6334]

Yea I bought a shotgun from 1907 but I only shot it once because the one barrel has a crack halfway thought the inside of the barrel. Maybe I’ll just load it really light to shoot it

[@Rumblestrip]

Definitely agree. That's why I sent my wife's Trapdoor Springfield to Mark. I truly want her and others to enjoy it. I also agree smokeless is a fad lmao

[@sonnygunz9207]

You guys are talking about really old guns. I have noticed people lately thinking that guns made from 1860 to 1950 are to old to shoot. I laugh and politely set them straight.

[@andyd2960]

I have a muzzleloader from the 1870s. I intend to hunt with it this year.

[@mannequinfukr]

I have a ballard made in the 1880s that shoots really well

[@ericschulze5641]

Trust me they didn't listen

[@mateobang6334]

What if the barrel has a crack though the inside of it

[@AlanGriffith]

Mark I'd an incredible bank of knowledge. Using his methods I fixed a friend's heirloom underlever 16 gauge that was assumed to never shoot again.

[@miketeeveedub5779]

When I see Mark Novak I upvote. His gunsmithing channel is AMAZING!

[@johnmorgan2099]

I really love these videos when their uplifting the so much negativity in the 2A community right now thank you for flipping the script for a little while

[@Michael-kn2kw]

I don't own anything that old, but the majority of my rifles are 75+ years old. Id also say that your videos led me towards those rifles (especially the K31). This was a great topic to cover. Love it.

[@donmurrin5269]

Splendid conversation. I'll confirm. I'm aligned wholly in favor of this mindset. The educational aspects and simple pleasure = priceless.

[@MrMacroJesseSky]

If you handload you can shoot anything provided it’s in decent condition. Really opens up a world of firearm collecting. In old guns it’s mostly the wood that is the most fragile than the actual receiver

[@Cletrac305]

I completely agree, and extended this same philosophy to my other equipment. As an example, on my old cars etc. If it's really nice but not a cherry or one off i have no problems putting the original engine and trans preserved on my shelf and building the motor i want for it. If it bolts on and requires no permanent modification BUT allows me to use it and demonstrate its potential to a younger generation whom i can allow to operate it and see the massive difference between theory, simulation, imagination and actually doing it, while preserving the original parts from wear I go for it!

[@kenibnanak5554]

You gain a lot of appreciation for today's guns and how far they have come when you start off with some old, single shot, black powder pieces and experience the progression of designs up to the modern world's AKs and ARs. Similar when you start off with a flintlock pistol and move on to percussion revolvers, early cartridge pistols, then early semi autos before finally reaching your CZs and Glocks.

[@kingtrumpet123]

I have 3 shotguns that seem to be around WWI era, and of course the 1932 Mosin. I shoot them all. Now I take it easy and only throw a few low based shotshells through the old shotguns, but I get them out every now and then, shoot them, clean them back up, and it just feels right.

[@paleosteveo3501]

Mark and Eric in the same video?! New Shad video on Chainswords? New Forgotten Weapons about A South African polymer frame BHP? Excellent day for youtube.

[@mannys9130]

Didn't even have to use my AR. ;) Today was a good day.

[@jdod64]

I fire my gewehr 88, it's almost 130 years old. Headspace is tight and i only had to make a ejector for it.

[@williamkeith8944]

A good example of guns not being shot are old Colt firearms. "Oh no, don't shoot that, don't turn the cylinder! Blah,blah,blah... I have an old WW2 Mauser that I shoot all the time. It is now 80 years old.

[@thomaswashburn3513]

Last month I shot a Winchester 1873 38-40 made in 1888 for the first time. Last year I had the firing spring (not sure of the technical term, but the leaf spring on the lower tang) replaced. It was my dad’s gun and my entire life it had a broken firing spring. I’m 44 years old now. It was taken to a gunsmith first.

[@yankey4]

DUDE ARE YOU STILL HERE!! I live here in Charleston South Carolina. Would love to shake your hand.

[@bryanbetournay5557]

Great video guys! couldn’t agree more. I own a.577 Snider that was passed down through my wife’s family. It was given to the family by the queen when they settle the land. It puts a smile on everybody’s face when you pull the trigger. 👍🔥

[@coldandaloof7166]

The biggest problem I have had is finding a qualified gunsmith. I have found some hacks that talked a good talk but when it came down to thier work it left me feeling that there are very few men left who know how to work on guns properly. When I see the work that Mark puts into his Anvil videos I know this to be true.

[@bobb.9152]

We break out great great granpas 45-70 rem. Rolling block from time to time and shoot it for the family. Black powder of course. It killed a buffalo in wyoming and shot a gris in northern cal. Documented. Shoot on.

[@rogerj412]

One of the most fun rifles I've ever had the opportunity to shoot is a Winchester M1917 in 30-06. Winchester made the fewest of them from what I've been told and the gun will run all day and night. The trigger is wonderful and so are the iron sights. People if you have an old gun in shooting condition do yourself a huge favor and shoot it. There's a certain quality that modern guns lack compared to old guns and they deserve for people to know just how good they were and still are.

[@joshlanter0928]

I found an old 1928 Colt 38 at my Grandparents home. It was rusted up. I soaked it in WD40 for a week, then pried it open, loaded it up and shot it. Since then I've gotten 90% of the rust off and can hit a torso sized target at 100 yards with it

[@gerryusmc]

Absolutely one of the best messages sent to the viewers. This was excellent. Well done.

[@jacobsweat1520]

My favorite hunting and plinking rifle is a Remington 550-1 that i got pretty beat up for $150

[@Mark-W5ADK]

Great to see you guys collaborating together! I don't own anything I can't fire. I have 3 Swiss Vetterli rifles, 2 from 1870. Swiss 1889, 1893, 1897, and 1882 revolver. Also a Frommer Stop and Dreyse 1907. I shoot them all... That is at least half the fun of having them! Thanks for the videos guys!

[@ek8710]

I have an 1889 and 1893. Love them, the 1889 is a very special rifle to me

[@yodaddy4944]

Even the most expensive original vintage cars get driven or else the engines seize and the seals rot.

[@KC-jq9kw]

We have our families 45-70 from the Spanish/American war and we have even shot deer with it.

[@stacybrown3714]

I love how you explained the excitement of operating historical guns. I raised my two children this way and they are better for it. My 25 yr old daughter bought tickets to for her and I to ride on the Ford trimotor this Father's day. Experience of our past is fun.

[@georgelong4888]

I agree. I have 2 1873 Springfield Trapdoor Carbines , both made before the Battle of the Greasy Grass. And I shoot them when ever I feel like it.

[@thegrassisbluer09]

I love shooting medium power 38 out of my 1909-1915 Smith!

[@ghostshadow9046]

Don't fire modern shotgun shells in an old Damascus barrel shotgun. I have 2 that previous owners did, the barrels didn't come completely apart.

[@ToddTheGunGuy]

Shoot em if you got em😆😆 As long as safe, let the lead flytyy🤙 I think it is a rush shooting older guns that are a part of history. Great interview brother!!

[@ChiefMiddleFinger]

There's nothing like s good 'ol American Fort. Oh the stories they could tell.

[@DirtyRobot]

What a day for carbon based life forms.

[@stevejohnson6593]

innit bruv iz mad out here

[@Whitpusmc]

Or trained rats......

[@nathanbutler8240]

Mark Novak is the man

[@PrescottCaliberClub]

I'm having a full auto MP44 built now, Mark didn't wanna build it. I'm shooting it 100% without a doubt. I have a case of ammo already!

[@Braun30]

In 2011 we had an event where we commemorated the GP11 in service for 100 years. This had remained the service ammo for our army in Switzerland with some support weapons on our tanks although replaced by the 5.6 for individual rifles (Stg90). You will never imagine how many people turned up with their 96/11 and K11.

[@theworkshopmechanicchannel3296]

I have an old Mauser in 3006 that’s one of those that were refab in the early 50’s I took it to the range one time and it generated a fair bit of interest from everyone. I got the rifle for free from an older gentleman that couldn’t fire it anymore

[@KRN762]

"Take care of your rifle and it will take care of you." My father instilled that in me at an early age, and he was right. Do the maintenance!

[@derweibhai]

My Uncle was at a Rendezvous where they were loaned Jim Bridger's rifle from a museum, as a display piece. They took it out and shot it, properly cleaned it, and returned it at the end of the get together. The museum staff commented on how clean and well oiled the rifle was when they brought it back. They said yes, it shot real nice, and if course we cleaned it properly and re oiled it. The museum staff about had a heart attack. They had no idea they would actually take it out and fire it.

[@polarjet1833]

Thanks for making this especially since I recently found an original WW1 M1897 Winchester

[@ghostuscoyote]

This is the equivalent of movies taking place on a tropical island just because that is where a bunch of the actors wanted to vacation. I see right through your self indulgent video production!

[@bobbyhays2642]

I have several old firearms and have fun shooting them. I have an old Vetterli I converted to centerfire. Now I’m learning how to load cartridges to fire it.

[@acrienteangelic1862]

Funnily enough I just picked up my first ever black powder rifle made in 1852 this past weekend at a gun show. It's a Frenchie, I think it may be a P1851 Minié rifle. I'm taking it in to be inspected down the bore for any red flags and the stock on it looks to be new-er with no cracks, dings, gouges, etc. When taking it apart I found only a few spots of rust under the woodline but otherwise it looked like the rifle was extremely well-loved. I can't wait to put the oldest of my girls back to work!

[@MitchellCH]

Its great to see Mark Novak on this channel! Lots of good points were touched on. Thank you guys.

[@prestonjustis5547]

I recently shot my Great Grandad’s 1924 Crescent Arms 16 gauge double barrel duck gun. Great triggers and very accurate. What a good time!!

[@jimvandemoter6961]

Two of my favorite youtubers together in a video. Very cool. Also, speaking of passing on to the next generation, Tim at Military Arms Channel just posted a video of his son shooting a cap and ball revolver. The look on that kid's face was priceless. So yeah, pass it on.

[@soldat2501]

My hometown! When I was a cop on IOP next door, we’d run around with the SIPD cops chasing kids drinking beer off those cannons.

[@JonasUllenius]

This is the only gripe video I want to see some shooting with old guns.

[@dustynewman1]

I have a Civil War Enfield that was converted to 45-70 rolling block by Carolina Arms.

[@timsmith602]

All of my collection gets rounds put through them. Mausers m1 carbines and of course everything thing in between. my oldest is a mauser that's just 100 years old.

[@thrillhill1253]

Loved the format of this video Eric, keep up the great work ♡♡

[@betaich]

The local gun club at my sisters has a gun from shortly before the 30 year war so from around 1590 to 1600, it was a gift from the local duke for defending the city. They used to shoot out the club king with this gun until shortly before WW1, now only the club king gets to take a traditional shot with it. It still shoots true and is a remarkable piece of art. It was at the time embalished to hell and back.

[@InSightFreedom]

Great discussion and interview. One of my favorite places in the mouth of the Savanah.

[@nekoghostgunner1129]

I didn't get a 100 year old civilian Luger to just look at it. Always take the opperrtunity to experience a gun.

[@StarSwarm.]

This video resonated with me. Especially examples used. I’m currently in the process of cleaning up an unfired No 4 Mk1*. Only in cosmoline and already no wrap etc but plan to shoot that. Also have a rare Albini Braendlin 577 Snider based off the P53 Enfield made by Holland & Holland which was Australia’s first cartridge rifle. Spent a lot of time researching proper loads and absolutely love shooting it now. Surprisingly accurate too. Also have the Swiss Vetterli converted for centrefire... always make a new pin and save the original! I can say both yours and Mark’s videos have inspired me to shoot old historic rifles.

[@TampaMaximumMike]

I used to have a coworker that collected and fired medieval firearms.

[@jonathanvisintin9600]

Hell yea!!!! If the guns in good order why not.

[@bliesneb]

I have an old colt 32wcf single action army. 7 1/2 inch barrel. It was carried by a Texas ranger sometime before 1920 when my great grandfather bought it from his widow. I should get it checked out and shoot it.

[@slade7354]

1000% agree! Great video!

[@hamm6035]

An original Peabody Martini. In .43 Spanish. I'm guessing 1870 to 1874 by the serial number and Providence tool co. records/history. Amazing to shoot. It's an all day thing.

[@doraran2138]

Good video. I have a few serious questions: 1) When you say have it 'checked out', what are the points that are checked? Not wanting to take importance of gunsmith, but what exactly are you looking for? This would be helpful info when purchasing something. 2) Where does metal fatigue play into factor into this. Old US Krag rifles have document cracks in bolts. Springs fatigue and fail as well as certain parts subjected stress. Any suggestions on what to do? 3) Uncertain past history of gun. Past users (abusers) of a piece could have weaken critical parts. Two example that come to mind are Colt 1902 auto pistols in .38 ACP fired with .38 Super and C96 Mauser pistols fired with 7.62x25mm Tokarev or worse, CZ52 7.62 that is even hotter. Prior shooter could have fired these inappropriate rounds just short of failure, stressing parts to eventual breakage by next shooter. Any suggestions on how to factor this variable? 4) Not readily visible erosion, especially in breach areas of muzzle loaders that can undermine metals and fail under pressure. I saw an 1863 Springfield barrel at breach spit to what was blamed a narrow but very deep pit in metal. Corrosion at hammer welding junctures of damascus or twist barrels as well as welds coming loose and 'unwinding'. How do you check? Get one of those bore cameras that you can see inside breech and barrel? 5) Poor, rusted, corroded or pitted bore. Doesn't the roughness on inside of barrel increase friction thus increase pressure? How much is acceptable/how much too much? (Obviously I'm wanting generalities not a specific response.) Anyway, these are some concerns I've always had with old guns.

[@thomascampbell5755]

Wish I'd have known you were in the palmetto state! We could've made some bang bang sounds.

[@jdoerr779]

Looking forward to more videos with Mark. Never knew about him until your videos. One of my favorite cameos!

[@Foche_T._Schitt]

Do so rarely. The rifling in the throat of barrels will inevitably erode and barrels aren't cheap to reproduce on a small scale. Putting proper proof/roll marks on them is even harder.

[@mahbriggs]

Oldest I have shot is a 45-70 Springfield Trapdoor. I am kind of passed I did not buy the 50 car. Springfield muscle loader. Supposedly a Civil war weapon.

[@dougallen7890]

Reminds me when I decided it was time for my 2 oldest boys got some formal shooting education. I took my grandfather's 1890 Winchester for the boys to shoot that day. the instructor would not let them saying it was too old and not safe.

[@ParheliaDay]

Thanks for this very important video. It answers a question that I have not asked. The question I was going to ask is, " How old is too old for any gun you call old reliable?". Now I have an answer. Thank you.

[@WhyteLis21]

This can be apply to anything man made with the right mind set that is. Just like an old car. Should you drive that old car? If it's well maintain over the years, then yes. 😁

[@rcairnut]

you get a real appreciation by leaning about and using a firearm

[@khaccanhle1930]

I have a 101 year old Mauser. It's in amazing shape and it shoots perfectly. Every time I shoot it, I clean it with a q tip.

[@boatboattmmrp9950]

I still shoot my 1886 Martini Henry. Runs like a champ, and it’s accurate enough to where I’m gonna try elk hunting this year

[@kl3847]

You're telling me I live ten minutes away and didn't know you were here?

[@theghostofpatrickhenry4516]

Sergeant William Jasper says "Get me another flag staff, now!"

[@McClungMichaell]

Got a question for you guys. I have an 1864 Springfield Joslyn, never been shot was my Grandads; it looks brand new 155 years old,it came from an arsenal in Indiana. Would shooting it devalue it as a collectable ? If I shot it I'd have to have ammo made for it I know.

[@NeptuneBluez]

Should I shoot an old handgun, which is new in the box?

[@thatguyoverthere9634]

If its valuable, no, it's worth saving. If it was a large production commercial handgun then sure

[@Mac-pi4cy]

Getting shot in the box would smart a little!

[@nickl5816]

This dude sounds like he should have a talk radio station lol

[@gizmofire]

To be honest I am looking for a replica of a Lorenzoni with rifling, not the musket version. I think it would be fun to shoot a repeting flintlock.

[@JettyDeke]

I wish I would have known you guys were in Charleston. I would have loved to meet you guys.

[@mannys9130]

So, I suppose it depends on the collector that you ask whether that target Vetterli's value was destroyed. I say no. You made a new firing pin and the gun WORKS now. Guns were made to be shot. I don't really want to own a gun that's so collectable I can't have fun shooting it. I'll let other guys preserve those specimens and I'll own and use the used and storied examples. :)

[@giuseppe4909]

If you alter the gun significantly, yes, you probably reduce its collector value....I prefer to make the correct load for the gun. That being said, if you own it....do what you want to enjoy it.

[@chzzyg2698]

Exactly. People have gotten so mad at me for saying I'm looking for a Garand to have modified into a Shuffs Mini-G. All the Garands that have ever been worth collecting have already been collected. They're in collections. If anything, I'd be doing a favor for a beat-up Garand that'd never be used again due to owners being afraid to do anything with it, out of the crazy idea that somehow that rifle more collectable than the non-fired ones already sitting in serious collection rooms under the perfect conditions. Sorry, had to vent a bit. People really went off on me on this.

[@ericschulze5641]

Your 100% correct I'd like to just cut a few of these (RARE) peices of junk up on video ,maybe use them as a pry bar, just to hurt these know it all, know nothings feelings, ohhh Don't sporterize that RARE MAUSER, don't even restore it,. . . Don't even get me going about PATINA. The only RARE GI issue Mauser is that one that shoots around corners

[@stephenmitchell3569]

Common sense and enjoying shooting, even better sharing the sport.

[@Patrick_B687-3]

Jay Leno would agree, and does drive his cars. Like his near 100 year old Bugatti’s and older steamers.

[@TheTexan99]

You should do a video on how many slugs it takes to crack a shotgun

[@rilianriggs4620]

I've got an old Remington rolling block that's super old. I can't even tell what cartridge it's chambered for. It looks like it's in good shooting condition ...

[@chrisoseland4643]

So i have a 1873 Winchester manufactured in 1891. I bought and replaced the hammer lever and it seems like the pin engages fine. Its a .38 sp and the rifling seems good on it. Would it be a good idea to get it into a gunsmith first or should I just give it a shot?

[@benbennett7436]

I agree with y'all. Just like old cars, they were built for a purpose. You should have seen the look on my neice's face when I told her that her great grandfather's model 12 Winchester that she had just shot was 103 years old.

[@williamnicholson8133]

Just use appropriate loads for the weapon and maintain it and you should be alright.

[@spyderxtra777]

yes, yes you should.

[@DavidBrown-it9ig]

I have a 1918 P08 matching in 95% plus shape that I shoot at least once a year and an AC42 P38 that gets shot alongside the P08. Also have a 1906 Winchester 1894 that I shoot regularly. Wouldnt have them if I couldnt shoot them

[@realpolicetalk]

modern ammo and old guns don't mix. Correct load yes indeed. Great content friends.

[@brentwinkelman1990]

Recently got my vetterli converted...hoping to shoot a bear with it this fall...super excited... reloading for it has been an experiment for sure

[@TheBobwatermellon]

I have a Colt 1911 made in 1919 extremely well taken care of....and fired on occasion

[@CenturionStrategic]

Great job both of you guys, loved this video.

[@mre.w.2850]

It's not how old but what's the condition if its clean tidy with minimal pitting in the barrel it's good to go, correct powder charge to match no problem, if its tatty poor condition with a barrel like a sive common sense says don't even try it, but why not keeping them going keeps the parts moving