Why meditating & cold plunging in paradise won’t heal your trauma

[@k.silberberg5137]

Irene seems to be very gifted. There is such a body wisdom within her. Beautiful.

[@LizJohnsonVoice]

Thank you for saying it's not a quick fix. Lots of people don't want to hear that, but it's important to keep reminding ourselves that reality is not a meme.

[@AdrianaJSC11]

Hearing about your moment feeling safe hearing Irene’s footsteps in the house after 7 years is amazing. That sounds wonderful

[@VicSaidThat]

Seths life is so relatable. To not have the capacity to handle too many energies at the same time. I still to this day, after a few years of doing the work struggle with crowds.

[@eleanor4759]

I've found that being around people who are regulated, healthy, deeply kind and consistent/non volatile has been just as key to my healing as doing my own somatic work.

[@anicca09]

- working with the stress physiology - building capacity within the system - connecting with internal/external - knowing when to pause - knowing when baseline of safety/knowledge is there to be able to face/deal with triggers

[@Froglet1968]

Ahhh, I've just realised that I don't feel particularly safe around unreliable or moody people...

[@eleanor4759]

@@Froglet1968 neither! People who have a Jekyl/Hyde personality are the most triggering/dysregulating for me. However, because this was the environment I grew up in, I have a tendancy to see volatility where there is none. Of course sometimes it's actually present, but I need to be patient with my hypervigilance and allow it many months/a few years to fully dissipate. 🙏

[@Froglet1968]

@@eleanor4759 great self awareness there on your part. Other people can inadvertently teach is where we need a bit more healing. Thanks for sharing. I learn a lot from people's comments too.

[@lisaeve6426]

This process is so intense. I have tried to meditate my trauma away..... all the stuff... looking forward to this interview!

[@cuentosdelasestrellas]

This was fantastic. I relate to Seth’s experience SO much. I also feel threatened when I know there is someone in the house. Even my very understanding and wonderful partner. At a base level my system is wired to feel unsafe in the presence of others. Like I cannot be myself fully. And my partner is so social and Loves having people over. It has always been an issue for me. I tend to go into fawn/freeze and feel overwhelmed so easily. I’m currently on day 3 of the 21 day Tune Up and hopefully this practice will help me feel safer.

[@majachenmolhamo6140]

This can definitely also be applied to plant medicine culture. So much bypassing.

[@iwillhissatyou]

Yes exactly!

[@paul-ie]

Ummm really? Quite the opposite in my opinion

[@Doorto_theriver]

@@paul-ie plant medicine can be extremely dangerous to those with trauma. Irene has a video on this with on of her students who almost dies with ayahuasca.

[@krystalizedmagic4894]

​@@Doorto_theriver😮‍💨 so who's qualified to take them? Isn't the point of taking them to HEAL trauma?

[@Doorto_theriver]

@@krystalizedmagic4894 Depends on a person's capacity. Plant medicine does not heal trauma. There is nothing one can take that instantly wipes out trauma, that's not how the nervous system works. Also, each person is different. Another factor, what's your ancestry and lineage? A white person from MN most likely has no ancestral connection to the jungles of Peru and may have no business interacting with these linages if they are not sacredly initiated into those communities.

[@rindordrums]

I tend to smile at all these "sound baths" and "crystal grids" and "drumming to heal" and "crystal bowls" and "Oming" and... yeah. Plus the things you mention that people think are so healing. These are coping mechanisms. And as I teach, "Coping is crap". Yes, we are energy. Yes, these things make one feel good... for a moment. But real healing means getting real and having a powerful tool that actually produces lasting/permanent results. There are many. I have my own. Healing and even identity change can happen.

[@chioumiowz63]

Can you mention a few healing tools

[@eleanor4759]

Yes yes yes

[@eso1917]

So what exercises you suggest?

[@Karlien68]

Can you tell us which tools u use or recommend?

[@michelleheegaard]

Next time, can you talk more on HOW to find out who you are and how to live from your authentic self? Im at the stage where Im aware that the person I was all my life was a facade and Im left now with what feels like no personality or sense of who I really am or what I actually like. Even something as simply as my personal style, my taste buds, my hobbies and interests... I am questioning all of it, because it was so tightly wrapped up with this person I pretended to be. It's incredibly disorienting.

[@juliaodonovan]

This was amazing, I took so many notes to cover with my therapist tomorrow. I just shared this on my Instagram story because I think way more people need to watch this!

[@anicca09]

To have of baseline of knowledge/safety to face what is unsafe 👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽

[@susanvannote31]

I so agree with what you say about the social media memes regarding "hack the nervous system," etc. Unfortunately, the desire to have an online business and "grab" the interest through quick fixes and pain points seems to override professional integrity. I get it, but it's not helpful and is misinformation.

[@rachelwang9724]

Thanks for Irene and Seth for this interview, I really like Seth emphasis on having the capacity to stay on the feelings of the uncomfortable / pain in order to heal it. My system let me feel the pain somatically even in a great spiritual experience. I really like SBSM which helps the recovery of both my son and me. I enjoyed seeing you couple sparkling smiles to each other 😊

[@helensid6670]

Thank you so much for both interviews. Linking the two of them, with the fact that I have that spiritual ability and the freezing, and what Irene said in her interview about the importance of somatic intention, I want to share my experience. I practice a deep rest technique and, Although it includes contact with the body and with the environment, I was doing somatic bypass. Since I started doing your (free) exercises, so, cultivating the somatic intention everything has changed (for the better!).

[@suzannegundersen]

in fact, cold plunging could anchor /lock the body down from opening up in the future (opening the body in safe connection - inside and out, is what is required to help it process the stress response back to aliveness).

[@katiewinderyoga]

I can relate so much to Seth's experience of noticing feeling comfort from the noise of footsteps & no longer feeling on edge 🙏 this is such a huge shift to recognise & appreciate ❤

[@Think4yourself8000]

I just found your channel in the last few days and really appreciate your perspective and sharings. Thank you!!! I hope you do a course again but am enjoying KZbin’s for now.

[@IreneLyon]

Hello, Sophia from Team Lyon here. If you enjoy Irene's content, you might be interested in this free short training irenelyon.com/healing-trauma

[@MsZookie1]

Oh wow! This resonated so deeply for me. I'm emotional. It makes so much sense. So relatable.

[@andys7937]

I totally relate to the meditation aspect. I find it easier to sit by myself in silence and give myself the freedom to allow thoughts, feelings etc to be there and even my attention to wander than to keep myself in line with following a teacher or group led meditation. That young hurt part of me starts to feel obliged to follow the instructions and to doubt myself- my own knowing of what is more regulated for my system begins to get set aside out of a belief that the teacher knows best, and I can become easily disassociated from my body by trying to reach for or attune to what the guidance is aiming to lead us to. I spent 8 years in a spiritual non dual community and while it was very valuable to experience my true nature and to kick-start my conscious spiritual journey, it didn't give support to my trauma or human needs. It took a fair amount of pain and further sense of rejection from that community to allow myself to start getting help with my trauma... it's a deep and often difficult process because it's so easy to want to bypsss when things get tough and use the attitude ' I'm the awareness/presence, not the body or mind' etc. It takes real commitment to one's healing to be honest with where one is and to forego the entrained veneer that we've adopted to make us appear to be strong and happy to others. Radical self honesty and acceptance is key, as is genuine non judgmental support from others. It’s crucial that we feel safe and supported before we can start to unwind our deep relational wounding and trauma. I've really benefited from Compassionate Inquiry, pioneered by Gabor Mate, and Cranio-sacral Therapy. Thank you for this beautiful educational video and blessings to everyone on their journey 🙏 ❤

[@rachelthomson6316]

Thank you Both for sharing your experiences and knowledge, you’re inspiring and blessed with healing gifts 🙏✨🕊️💜

[@corinnabestmann-seidel683]

Congratulation to your honest deep and playful relationship. Thank you for sharing!!

[@jessicam7866]

This was so helpful, thank you, I’m doing the 21 day tuneup, so this is all quite new to me, but I relate so much to Seth’s experience, I only realised fairly recently that I’m actually terrified of being around people, I used to just ignore the feelings and push on, thinking there was something wrong with me but since getting m.e/cfs, I’ve come to realise that I’ve completely ignored my emotions/body my whole life, also doing the chameleon thing, which is exhausting. I had a similar experience with spirituality too, which I’m passionate about but I was zoning out in meditation feeling these states of bliss, which actually just put me more out of my body and also into my favourite coping mechanism, which is escapism. Definitely about balance and knowing what is best for you and when. Very useful video ❤

[@Megan6772]

36:14 self awareness of knowing how the trauma presents in you Home environment, make a safe space Do the work.... Would be helpful to know what exactly the work is

[@IreneLyon]

@Megan6772, I'll link to Irene's free Healing Trauma video training to see if that sheds light on your question about the work. - Jen from Team Lyon Free Healing Trauma Video Training - irenelyon.com/healing-trauma

[@ruba4251]

exactly..i'm feeling like this is click bait talking down on some things that may or may not work for others, yet they're not providing the info or tools people can actually begin to heal with.. ?

[@mauricioherrador7791]

Very important comment, among many, about much social media's content oversimplifying nervous system regulation. It is a danger that can easily fly under the radar! Also, thanks for stressing that doing the work is important but even more so that embodiment of the work is necessary, which can take years and one may never reach an ideal place (I forget who said that humans will never die "finished", was it Jay Gould?) but what better alternative is there?

[@nikkolyn1122]

Brilliant gifts you both are. Thank you.

[@EmilyPorter]

good convo as always. I daresay for many watching these videos there is no paradise or escape or safe place on earth because when you're very dysregulated even slight discomforts like sun, wind, temperature changes, noises or bodily pains are overwhelming/overstimulating. my personal idea of paradise would be a cool quiet dark room alone but also servants to change my bedding and feed me healthy food and offer material support. obviously that's not financially feasible for a sick person without independent wealth. therefore you sort of have to be able to build capacity and regulation from wherever youre at regardless of already being in an unsafe environment (from the nervous system perspective) and being always out of ones comfort zone. likewise im sure seth could have found a lot of discomfort to work with even never leaving the hotsprings if he looked for it. I don't really think there is an order to how to heal because of the conundrum of a person who is unstable in their system will always end up in an environment or job or relationship or financial situation that reflects that to some extent. you just have to do your best to follow the path to the next best thing and follow your instincts. nutrition, shelter, self help, whatever feels right and doable at the moment. i sometimes see influencers blaming clients for being difficult but people who already have a safe environment and can afford help will obviously usually be easier to help because they don't have as bad of dysregulation, they aren't as deep in the hole. they have more experience with of agency. they axiomatically have more resources. more energy, more willpower to spare and less layers of trauma. it seems like every modality for wellbeing on the internet should be applicable even to a homeless person on the street (who has desire to change/heal) or it's not holistic, or big picture enough, it's missing a portion of the healing process.

[@kimberlytrent5245]

I agree. I always wonder when I come across expensive healing programs that look so promising, how is it that these traumatized people have the money to spend on these things? The dysfunction that has become my life has put me in such Financial Dire Straits that I barely am meeting my basic needs

[@elainetaylor914]

Totally hard work, but becoming authentic is a true life blessing ❤

[@newearthel]

wow i cannot even explain how my experience is exactly like your husbands!! i have been practising vipassana thinking it was a somatic practise.. and either feeling completely high or freezing and stopping the meditation.. but feeling like i’m just running around in circles and not actually processing or resolving the trauma… i also was living in paradise and feeling high on life with no responsibility but ran out of money and had to come back to the busy city.. and feeling completely overwhelmed with trauma and triggers.. and day dreaming about my next escape.. this has made me realise that coming back may be the thing i actually needed most.

[@MiriamCook-vv2oi]

Wonderful!! 🎉 Love to listen to Seth's experiences and learn so much from him

[@toniberger183]

Dear Irene and Seth, thank you for sharing Seth's story. I have ME/CFS (basically a very disregulated nervous system) and therefore had to move back to my parents. It's an environment where I can't be fully myself and have to hold back a lot. Moving somewhere else would be a big health risk at this point which I can't take. Do you have any idea how to progress from there. I really wanna heal mentally and physically as well. Thank you so much!

[@IreneLyon]

@toniberger183, Jen here from Irene's Team. Finding this work and being here is a powerful step in the process of healing mentally and physically, so you're off to a good start. As far as living with your parents goes, finding places that you can be yourself can be important. This can be in your room, in the bathroom, in a place like a park if you're able to get out a bit. You can also imagine your full, authentic response when you're not able to express it in the moment, as well as replying the situation later when you do have time and place and expressing your experience there. If you haven't already checked out Irene's other resources, you might check those out too as continuing to learn about your physiology and the practices that support it can be key in growing capacity and regulation. I'll share a link to a Field Guide that Irene created, and to her free Healing Trauma video training in case you'd like to check those out. Field Guide to Your Nervous System - irenelyon.com/field-guide-to-your-nervous-system Free Healing Trauma Video Training - irenelyon.com/healing-trauma

[@toniberger183]

@@IreneLyon Hi Jen, thank you so much for taking the time to reply, and the advice and resources ❤️ I will definitely check them out!

[@themytragicmagic]

Hey. My health and life situation is the same as yours. If you would like to talk/connect that would be great ❤️

[@Myheartofthematter]

I faced what I didn't know at the time was trauma without understanding what it was or what I was doing, facing my fears, and putting myself into situations that I found terrifying which enabled me to see the world wasn't so frightening...until it turned out to be! I was also doing all I could to avoid how I was feeling therefore I'd unwittingly put myself in harm's way and have spent decades dealing with people I'd invited into my life and who refuse to leave, doing all they can to ensure I don't progress in any way,. I then proceeded to manage my symptoms with meditation and when it all got too much as it was always going to do going down the path I was I turned to all kinds of distractions that I'm now also having to correct. And now with all my trauma surfacing with a situation at home and with family and what I thought were friends that is a repeat of my childhood. Allowing myself to feel the trauma whilst still being retraumatised daily and doing all I can alone to prevent people from causing me deliberate harm is the most harrowing experience in my life. It feels quite regularly that I might not make it out of this situation alive then other times I feel that I'm healing, it's very overlapping. The worst of it is not having the support or relationships I need as I rid myself of the people who are unhealthy for me and facing their reactions. This is mirroring my childhood also as I felt totally alone then. I realise now just how terrified and lonely I was. That I'm in my 60th year and only now learning what trauma is really pisses me off, all the doctors and therapists I've spoken to about what's been going on for me and not one talked about complex PTSD, I was never clinically depressed but I'd understand fully how I could have been taking the advice given and the medication. The best I was told was that I was confused. Yeah, I wonder why!

[@thesunshineblissproject]

I resonate with so much of this. I am 53.

[@annastone5624]

@Myheartofthematter 💖 I resonate.. I have gone down so many ridiculous paths as I trusted and trued and tried to find healing and safety. Again and again meeting idiot ‘healers’ and gurus.. being told my pain was ‘existential’ it was all so absurd.. being taught about duality and oneness and how my abusers and I ‘are one’ on a higher level..always always having the very obvious reasons for my pain invalidated. The knowledge you need is available now - it just wasn’t there for people with cptsd before.. keep fighting for You.. you be your friend.. for now that’s your job, to put yourself and your healing first, that’s your mission. Sending you my very best. 🌸

[@Myheartofthematter]

@@annastone5624 ..thank you. It's quite a strange sensation to feel loved as I learn to accept myself however I feel, and to get my head around this being all that's required to move through life with confidence whilst being constantly bombarded with messages that confidence is about what we do, have and how we present ourselves usually arrogantly and aggressively but believed to be assertive, a pseudo confidence that's dependent on external factors which can be much easier to lose than it is to gain hence the insecurity surrounding this I guess. The only level we're all the same is in how we are taught to be in an oppressive culture and solutions that make us all the same albeit unwittingly I think as the ideas about identity are meant to respect differences but merely play into the oppression instead as we are being increasingly forced to see ourselves in terms of what we identify with rather than the humanness that we actually all have in common. It's hard to think outside a box that only exists in people's minds, and harder when existing beliefs are ardently upheld despite evidence that could change minds in ways that would unite us in respectful ways rather than separate us as we learn to identify rather than trust and accept how we feel.

[@melissahay328]

Omg I can so relate to Seth’s story! I got married 7 yrs ago and gained 3 bonus children. I’ve been doing trauma work for a few years now. Still to this day.. I feel threatened when I hear voices in my house belonging to my son’s friends. Our house has been a revolving door for our son’s friends and it has always made me feel unsafe. I never know who is gonna be at our house. I finally had enough and said ‘NO MORE!!’ Now his friends come over, but stay outside. It still bothers me but it’s a step in the right direction I guess. My husband doesn’t understand why it bothers me so much because he loves having a houseful of people, whereas I don’t. I’ll also add that I feel threatened when I hear even our own kids in the home at times. Getting married to my extrovert husband has forced me to grow and face a lot of a lot of things I am used to running away from.

[@theinfjgoyim5508]

Meditation. You have fear, meditate and kill your fear and move on and live your life. Although I don't like people in my space either, it doesn't make me scared just annoyed and distracted. Adopting a dudes 3 kids is a lot work and kinda insane. That has to be so much work. Props to you. You are definitely strong. I bet on you to succeed.

[@annastone5624]

I don’t know why extroversion is seen as the norm. It’s not necessarily natural to have a busy house with non family members entering. In previous generations to visit someone else’s house would be a very formal situation. You need to be able to relax. Maybe choose two days a week that’s family only..

[@carolsmith2386]

Super helpful and clear video AND super uncomfortable to hear! I'm 64 and still doing the "old Seth thing" as he described in this video! Ugh! I guess the upside is knowing beyond any doubt that this work IS the next step for me and how can I begin to implement those steps talked about at the end of the video? I wonder Youniverse? What else is possible for me to move in this direction that I can't even imagine or plan?

[@IreneLyon]

@carolsmith2386, Jen here from Irene's team. You sound clear about knowing that this work is the next step for you! It's been a powerful change agent for many of us. You asked about the steps Seth talked about - I wasn't sure if you were referring to the course and program that Irene created. I'll link to them in case you want to learn more, and if you were referring to something else, just let us know. And as for your question about possibilities, one of the many cool aspects of engaging with this work is that access to possibility and opportunity tends to grow in response to growing nervous system regulation and capacity. Who knows what might unfold? 21 Day Nervous System Tune Up - 21daytuneup.com/ SmartBody SmartMind - smartbodysmartmind.com/

[@carolsmith2386]

@@IreneLyon Thank you Jen! I am on my second round of 21 day Nervous System Tune Up that was gifted to me. I'm in that classic position, as are so many others, of having trauma that has trapped me into a no money position. And I heard Irene say the other day that somehow we have to find the deep desire/fire inside to really want this and go for it! And if I knew how to do that, I wouldn't need to take the course! It seems like the chicken and egg discussion. Maybe Irene can address that issue in a Q &A. If someone hasn't done trauma work, how do they access the energy to make the money to do trauma work when fear of feeling the energy is the problem in the first place?

[@IreneLyon]

@@carolsmith2386, it's lovely to hear that someone gifted you the 21 Day Nervous System Tune Up! I hear your chicken and egg question. The short answer is that we start where we are and work where we can. Anyone who's found their way here has at least a very small flame burning. When we notice this and starting to fan it the best that we can at the time, it will grow. As for the money question, it is a challenging one. We have heard from many people who have used Irene's free resources to support them on their healing journey and seen a lot of change. I realize this doesn't answer your question, and hopefully it offers a little food for thought.

[@hfkhlehpfl]

Thank you so much Seth. Thank you Irene. God bless you and your loved ones.

[@amberbirkin6847]

Such a great interview, thank you 🙏

[@larsstougaard7097]

Wow can relate so much to this talk , have done much of the same. Meditated, yoga, ate healthy etc but never really touched or healed the traumas underneath.

[@Medietos]

Thanks for confirmation that I have been surviving/ coping/ performing by the power of my spirit and ego-will, as well as probably excito-toxins that irritate my exhausted/ dysfunctional organs to work although I am really too tired.

[@MichelJGrando]

Thank you for sharing this.

[@wendyroe5154]

Thank you both so very much! ❤

[@rockywrightandfriends]

Love your work so much. I'm doing 21 day tune up currently. Is there or can you do a video on differing between boundaries and doing things you're uncomfortable doing to learn to regulate your NS? For example if you are uncomfortable around your family and don't want to go to a family function. Should you go and be uncomfortable or create a boundary? Thanks!!

[@kaitlinbridges9170]

Boundary, don't go and don't feel guilty about it. You're allowed to disappoint others, it's part of healing.

[@cuentosdelasestrellas]

I use titration with my family. I spend only a couple of hours with them at a time, only maybe 4 times a year. Ideally in environments that are comfortable for me and help me regulate (for example in Nature). I wish I could see them more often but their toxic ways trigger me and overwhelm me really quickly. I’m slowly working towards it.

[@rockywrightandfriends]

@dianaballon0210 yes, pretty much the same for me. I see them a few times a year. It's just strange because they didn't really do anything wrong to me. I still don't get why i feel so uncomfortable. There was a point I didn't feel like this at all.

[@cuentosdelasestrellas]

@@rockywrightandfriends I get that so much. When I was a little less connected to my body I was fine with my family 🤣 but When I started doing trauma Work and being more in Tune with myself I got a lot more sensitive. Out of nowhere I started to feel very uncomfortable around them. I discovered that I always felt I could not be fully myself, I just wasn’t aware of it. I started to trust that if my body felt weird, SOMETHING was happening. Even if I couldn’t know what it was exactly. Little by little I have been uncovering the ways I forget myself and my needs in their presence. I have a tendency to try to appease them and make them feel good (most of the time at my own expense) even if they have never TOLD me to do so. It’s as if I had noticed from very early in life that they couldn’t regulate themselves, so I had to do that for them. It became second Nature for me. Now I’m trying to undo all that. It’s harder to pinpoint all this issues When family hasn’t been overtly abusive. It ends up making you feel like you are crazy… but you are not! Believe me.

[@xooq_]

its not enough to cold plunge or mediation you also have to do the mental journeying as part of it and learning how to shape your emotions in the face of the stimulus. theyre brushing over the inner work as part of these activities. same deal with shrooms. this is the hardest part of it, those activities are just enablers, they open the door, you still have to walk through it, which for all intents and purposes is the same as facing ur triggers and getting acclimated to them.

[@miriamceornea97]

As far as I understand this things have to be learned and I have had avoiding parents, they were heavy handed but by no means as violent as in some other families. I personally was always aware of the fact that when I heard the car or my father come home especially after my mother said things like "wait until your father get's home", I always shut my pants. I had to move in with them for a little while now and I have not done very many spiritual things but I have gone throw suicidal thoughts and very have depression last years and I have had the luck to see the way my previous partner talked with my parents, he challenged them a lot, their believes and many things I did not agree in their way of thinking my partner at the time, not having grown in that inverenmt and being very unapologetic just fired this questions and challenging thoughts to them, I just remeber sitting there going "omg... this... can actually be done? I can actually just speak up "against" my parents?!" like not in a hurtful way, they are still very emotionally unavailable even tho they claim they would want me to open up to them but when I do especially around my experiences and hurts and feelings and things like that, it is often time more a miss then a hit, I do believe tho that every time I have done it, I still gave something or showed vulnerability and things like that, they still have internalized that on some level and that sometimes things have to shift and the dynamics have to be shift a little bit for things to improve. Thank God I'm very regulated as well, I just found your videos and I have heard about some spiritual practices and things some people do and I always kind of ask myself why? but I can understand it better now, at first all very weird but the more stories I hear the more it makes sense.

[@jrblack78]

I feel meditation brings up deep issues so you can heal them. But you have to be willing to sit it for a long time. But it definitely heals deep wounds.

[@anothercampervanchannel]

Interesting. I think many of us look to externals as a way to distract or forget our emotional issues/trauma, not realising that the issue is with us, so will always be there, even in paradise...As the title of Jon Kabatt Zinn's book says-'Wherever You Go, There You Are'.

[@k.silberberg5137]

I avoid crowds. I can relate. People pleaser out of order.

[@seamasmanly]

You two are lovely! Thanks 🙏

[@bineschiff2270]

What a great video! I am exactly the spiritual-freeze type! Do you accept clients Seth?

[@slymcal5380]

This was great to hear discussed, thank you for re-listing, I resonated as I've learnt a similar lesson. My question is about your group course, how do you support people with this level of trauma in a group online setting? 1-1 was an essential s.e. piece for me, that continued for a long time. Just wondering who the group 12 week course is aimed at? many thanks

[@rebeccalara4982]

Thank you 💛🌟💛

[@tophat2115]

EMDR therapy, DBT, CBT, seem to be the best approaches. Bessel van derk Kolk also talks about Psychedelic Drugs, Yoga, martial arts, weight lifting, even dance as methods to treat trauma.

[@samo917]

but grounding work is just outer focused meditation, no?

[@nadiazayman779]

Not all meditation is dissasociative. In fact many traditions use embodiment as a central anchor. Trauma informed meditation is increasingly common. Tara Brach developed a practice calked RAIN that is deeply embodied and helped me greatly with my processing my trauma through awareness of thoughts and feelings, and helped me to become aware of body armor, constricted breathing, and nervous system dysregulation. My constructive criticism is to not put down an entire practice such as meditation because you will turn off people that might be helped by your practices.

[@IreneLyon]

Point taken. -Mara with Team Lyon

[@Megan6772]

15:33 - 16:33 why meditation also doesn't touch trauma

[@linata6112]

Meditation is not a quick fix. If you practice meditation + breath work every single day you will most certainly see the result and that includes healing C-PTSD.

[@outputformat]

I have severe social anxiety. 31 year old man. can anyone relate?

[@thewaterprophet6880]

More true than I can explain. I nearly killed myself with cold swimming all the time knowing the truth….funny old mind

[@mifinedrefined7446]

Aww. I am just in the beginning of realising all of this stuff. Have been doing 7 min deep breating and then just a short 15 min meditation daily and i just really enjoy it. Im not doing it in a way that im thinking it will heal me or my trauma, just some bacis grounding. Should i stop with the meditation because of my dysregulated nervous system? :(

[@IreneLyon]

Hello, Sophia with Team Lyon here. Here is what Irene has previously said about meditation kzbin.info/www/bejne/lWjJiWhrqtOfp80 I hope this video helps offer your some answers

[@r.f.972]

Thank you for this !

[@SabrinaDaysie]

PREACH!!!!!!

[@Megan6772]

Cool pic

[@mattng4707]

Interesting I need to relisten

[@fifiearthwanderer]

How do we overcome the fear of fear??

[@eleanor4759]

Seth's story is wild, especially his spiritual phase. And he proposed in 4 DAYS, aww how romantic 🥲🧡

[@Megan6772]

37:59 What is the work??

[@leahomer4149]

Hello! What if footstep sounds from neighbours tend to bring stuff up and you can hear them everywhere in the house? The experience of them has fluctuated, where sometimes it doesn't affect me anymore, but when I go to more vulnerable states it comes back again. When one lives in a city, it can be impossible to find other types of situations. How did seth manage that, living in the city? Anything hopeful! Thank you!

[@IreneLyon]

@leahomer4149, Jen here from Irene's Team. If you're highly reactive to footstep sounds from neighbors then you may have some hyper vigilance in the picture. It makes sense that when you're in a more vulnerable state it impacts you more, as when we have lower nervous system capacity we tend to be more reactive and sometimes old patterns can remerge. My understanding of how Seth managed this in part involved engaging with this work over time, and for a while making time where he could get away. As a musician, he also has a sound studio so I wonder if that might have served as a sort of sanctuary for him too. Generally speaking, finding quiet(er) places where you can spend some time, finding things that you enjoy listening too and getting a good part of headphones may be helpful. Investing in a good set of ear plugs may be something else to consider.

[@Anastasia-oy2zp]

I think occasionally meditation CAN heal trauma completely.

[@AnnoyedBacon-ce2ms]

What about when the brain dumps trauma to process with no capacity process?

[@annajaworska3627]

Why calling somebody a screw-up, messed-up right from the start, and saying at the same time: "I don't want to talk about our dynamics of relationship". No respect no love. "I have great respect for the past. If you don't know where you've come from, you don't know where you are going. I have respect for the past, but I am a person of the moment. I am here and I do my best to be completely centered at the place I am at, then I go forward to the next place."- Maya Angelou. Unsubscribed

[@ceciliamac4283]

That is so harsh. You unsubscribed just for that? She said it in a non judgmental way. We can hear it in her voice and sense it without a doubt. She said you were messed up in the most objective way. At least, that's how I saw/felt it. May be try to not be as harsh, if I may. Warm cheers and Blessings your way.

[@Luke-ei2yv]

Agreed, very strange way to talk about your partner. Calling him a screw up at the start just sounds off to me

[@kimberlytrent5245]

She's just being real.

[@2blackcatz426]

Great so I won't feel the guilt for not jumping in the pool today.

[@ahah1903]

I'm confused now. Shaking won't heal my trauma, meditation won't either. What will?

[@IreneLyon]

@aha1903, Jen here from Team Lyon. Working with the nervous system can be highly effective in healing trauma. This is what Irene teaches people to do. And to clarity, if you find a practice to be helpful or supportive, then trust that. The intent is not to suggest that practices such as meditation can't be helpful, rather that they often don't get to the root of trauma and transform it. I'll share a link to Irene's New Here page and to her free Healing Trauma video training in case you want to learn more. New Here? - irenelyon.com/new-here/ Free 3 Part Healing Trauma video training - irenelyon.com/healing-trauma

[@victoriabrickenden]

What can you suggest for people who cant afford your courses?

[@IreneLyon]

Hi there, Susan here from Team Lyon. Irene has a TON of free content, and many people have used this content to support their healing. I'll share some links so you have them if you'd like to explore this path. KZbin Channel (lot of free educational content) - kzbin.info/door/BkXgr0E9ZWUg4iSDEUKqVA Free Resource Centre - irenelyon.com/free-resources-2/ KZbin playlist of Neurosensory Exercises - kzbin.info/www/bejne/iKCzgKB3l5Zjbtk

[@annereynolds4150]

You will gain a great deal from practicing her free resources on a regular, consistent and long term basis. Don’t underestimate their simplicity and power.

[@victoriabrickenden]

@@IreneLyon thank you for taking the time to send me these. Going to use them straight away 🙏🏼

[@marinatitova2314]

“Why it is only my expensive courses that will fix your trauma” message

[@helensid6670]

I'm healing a lot (edit: there's been a huge shift) with the free resources in Irene's web and you tube. Have you tried them?

[@marinatitova2314]

@@helensid6670 her every resource refers you to her pod products for real results

[@Tammy8823]

@@marinatitova2314then only stick to the free resources.

[@helensid6670]

@@marinatitova2314 for sure it would be better doing the paying courses, but I don't have the money. With the education on nervous system (Irene lyon Web, New here section) my life changed. I went from thinking a part of me wanted to destroy me to understand it was my dysregulated nervous system trying to preserve my life. I'm doing the work now with 3 exercises, the one for resistance, the 4 steps for overwhelming emotions (I think they are in the web, in free resources) and a neurosensorial exercise here in KZbin, and I will look for more. From time to time I even forget about them but I've started to habitate my body and the world by doing these practices, and doing the work is something that money can't buy. Besides, I wanted to tell you if you got here is because your mind is open to find the tools to heal (or regulate) yourself. I wish you the best.

[@IreneLyon]

@marinatitova2314, Jen here from Irene's team. As Helen shared below, Irene is generous with her free resources and many people have found them supportive in their healing so you might check them out. I'll share a few links in case you want to learn more. Free Resource Center - irenelyon.com/free-resources/ KZbin Playlist of Neurosensory Exercises - kzbin.info/www/bejne/iKCzgKB3l5Zjbtk

[@abbede6]

How would someone know if meditation is sending them further into freeze? It seems so intangible

[@alwaysbeeurself]

You shouldn't make a blanket statement like meditation won't heal your trauma, all because of one persons experience. Meditation has worked for me, I'm better but still along way to go, but still, it helped me. You're not supposed to meditate to get better, this isn't how it works. You can't just get rid of trauma, trauma is something that requires present moment awareness in order to be with the trauma. Having dissociation doesn't enable this, but meditation if integrated before sleep and after you wake up could help the mind to associate with your awareness as being less threatening, over time increasing the mind to develop a healthier connection with who you are, which ultimately will rewire your brain physically so you become who you were meant to be without the trauma.

[@carolynkind1111]

When did you get married since you got engaged after 4 days. Thanks.

[@namedrop721]

This is the longest ad I’ve ever seen

[@cesarebartorelli7731]

I really hope i'll make it into sbsm this September.🙏

[@IreneLyon]

@cesarebartorelli7731, Jen here from Team Lyon. it would be great to see you in SBSM! Are you a 21 Day Nervous System Tune Up member? If not, that can be a great way to prepare for SBSM as the material in the 21 Day NS Tune Up course is mostly culled from SBSM. The amount you pay for the 21 Day course also gets applied towards SBSM, and you can start anytime so you don't have to wait. I'll share a link in case you'd like to learn more. 21 Day Nervous System Tune Up - 21daytuneup.com/

[@JS-lm3lq]

TY ❤

[@nesha8229]

Cold plunging was never intended as a “quick fix to heal trauma” it’s just 1 of many nervous system regulation techniques that are intended to be practiced over time. “Trauma” is just chronic dysregulation. Nervous system regulation is actually the majority of what you teach. Cold plunging or any time of cold exposure is taught to be practiced on a consistent basis. However it is optional. Breathing exercises, mindfulness or any practice that brings you back to your body can also help. Literally no one has ever said “Cold plunging 1 time will heal your trauma forever” that’s so silly lol. You can get your point across without creating imaginary arguments

[@healingwisdomarts]

Guided meditation is ok but if we r truamatized unsupported meditation can be dangerous!

[@LadyJaJa114]

Is Esther hicks Irene’s mother?

[@nekam.2817]

I would love it if you would make this process less ‘dense’. We don’t all have so much time to spend hours upon hours listening to all this content. Aren’t there ways for this to be more practical?

[@ManifestationsOfTheLight]

Find out sooner, rather than later Exactly Who is “who” 🎉 baaa baaaa baaaaaa.

[@nostalgiadelluva]

Ok not please tell me: “is there no trauma in your body then?” Trauma is transpersonal, trans generational, trans dimensional and move through our dna as our gifts and resilience. We all trying our best and nothing is definitive but we all use coping mechanism to deal with our problematic self. I will still say better cold plunge then antidepressants however others might disagree based on their perception

[@Megan6772]

12:32 hydrotherapy is helpful but it doesn't unpack the trauma

[@Megan6772]

It's management, but to heal trauma you have to get out of management, you have to face the discomfort, carefully and supported with the right tools. You're going to have to come face to face with what you're terrified of, both internally and out in the real world.

[@gregoryscott5111]

But paying you 5k will 😂