Will it run? Rare 4 speed on column, 1964 Ford Econoline Heavy Duty, can we drive it?

In this episode of Iron City Garage, Pete gets in a 1964 Ford Econoline fresh out of Colorado. This Hard to find heavy duty model, factory ford 9" rear and and 14" wheels vs the 13's Has 170ci engine and very rare 4 speed transmission ON THE COLUMN, this was a 64' only option. Has some rust but it is from Colorado so over all really solid compared to most. Good title we can deliver or ship anywhere as well as export. So sit back relax and watch to see if Richie can get this 64 Ford Econoline up and running again!
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[@madmex2k]

I had a 64 Ford econline truck. Those things have a huge 161 pound counter weight under the rear of the truck, near the tailgate, since they are nose heavy. We put an inline6 300 Ford in it, c6 trans, and it had adapters to put those Oldsmobile rims that all the 70s Cutlasses had. My Brother in Law took them off his 71 442 and put Big and little steelies and moons on the 442. Not sure if that chunk of metal might be a piece of the counterweight? Doesn't look like mine did, it had holes used to mount things to the bed. I loved it because it was overpowered with the 300, and I could do a U-Turn on a normal neighberhood street in 1 turn. I miss it fiercly. Got sold out from under me by a family member 'trying to clear old cars out of my Dad's yard" after a series of stroke. She didn't ask anyone for permission, just sold them,.Mostly because her ex-con bff convinced her to do it. They were all mine, a 66 4 door Catalina, a 66 C10 long bed truck, and the 64 Econoline. Her explanation was 'she assumed' they were Dad's, sold them all to pull-a-part, 75 dollars each. Made me sick. I still don't speak to her without another family member forcing me to conversate with her. Unforgivable.

[@hughiemaceachern5282]

Can't beat them old 6s and finally someone that knows how to run a motor that has sat for years

[@gabrielv.4358]

Agreed! 6's are the beest! Underrated engines also.

[@birdssurfshed]

Boy the memories and stories this little guy will have! Good job dad.

[@Tony-c8g]

I had a Econoline Van that was four speed on the column, it always managed to get the shift linkage stuck once and a while . 😂

[@olakopperud9949]

Four on the tree was quite usual in Europe in the sixties. My father had a german built Ford with four on the tree, and most of the french cars at the time had them, as did Saab of Sweden.

[@ditzydoo4378]

1964 Ford 4-speed on the tree shift pattern was Up and forward Reverse, drop down and forward 1st, back 2nd, drop down and forward 3rd, back 4th. When you first started you were putting it into 2nd to start rolling, as well as on the ramp.

[@Ironcitygarage]

They feel like the same gear lol, 2nd was pulling harder than first. 🤷‍♂️

[@ditzydoo4378]

@@Ironcitygarage sweet, I've been starting off in 2nd forever with manuals.

[@JohnClark-hl7di]

That short stainless pipe piece is the top of a beer keg. It's the ball valve to fill and tap.

[@Thomas63r2]

So hard to find one for restoration - they had a super high attrition rate. Nobody seemed to care about them for a long time. They were so lightly built - easy and fast to rust, and easily totaled in accidents.

[@paulwillard5924]

All the ones I find have terminal skin cancer…😢

[@Thomas63r2]

@@paulwillard5924 Hopefully this ex U-Haul rental Econoline has found a good new home. I have seen many of these totally roached out with rust - this one is about as rust free as can be found. The one thing I did learn from this video is that the guys doing a V8 swap simply used the Chevy Van doghouse because it is wider - did not know that.

[@williamanderson8144]

@@Thomas63r2 It has found a good home. I've been wondering about the strange orange color so thanks for pointing out what now seems obvious that it was a U Haul

[@terryeustice5399]

I had a 1961 but it was not heavy duty. Had the straight 6 cylinder 3 speed column shift. They have an amazing turning radius. Got to stop to shift in 1st. No synchronizer. Can shift down to 2nd. From 3rd.That battery under the drivers seat needs to be secure. Or it will slide out under your feet. Those 6’s are indestructible. Almost. Loved seeing your video. Brought back a lot of old memories. Thank you for sharing! 💕💯👊👍

[@elpochodf]

Out West in the late 1960s & 70s we had a rash of "Bondo Gypsys" . They would walk up to unsuspecting motorists at the supermarket, offer to remove dents and they would SLATHER on the Bondo and make it look passable so when you came outta the super market and it would look OK but it was all Bondo. I suspect that was the case with your truck. Great video, keep up the good work I enjoy seeing what you guys dig up. Greetings from Real del Monte, Hidalgo, Mexico !!

[@RusThompson]

I've never seen 4 on the tree either but, I love the econoline, awesome find!

[@deandee8082]

yup, upper gears are back, reverse is forward and down, you get used to it after a while

[@michaelLovas-jr9ew]

It's nice seeing a shop from the 412.

[@americanrambler4972]

First time I have ever seen a column shifted 4 speed on any American car, let alone a ford econoline of any stripe! This is unique enough that it should keep its 6 and column shifted 4 speed transmission! In a light truck like that, you can get enough power out of a six shooter to make it scary fast if you want to.

[@lakesnake2005]

Awesome, you found a Dagenham 4 speed. I wanted one of those for my '63 Econoline van and never found one. That old van would go anywhere it could lift it's wheels over.

[@paulmurawski3683]

I can dig it. Cleaned up. Old school working on the old school van. Yep.

[@charlessizemore5615]

Great vid !

[@countswing284]

Great find! Really stylin' with those wide whites. I believe that 4 speed was a British Ford unit. Cheers! 😎👍🛻🏁🏁

[@bobcatsmith246]

My Favorite Ford truck is the 1965 F100 custom cab with a 289 v8 with a granny gear 4 speed trans. During the 1980s, I had 3 different 65 Ford F100 trucks. The first one was the custom cab I bought for $75.00. With the inline 6 cyl. The second one I traded a 1974 Chrysler New Yorker for. That truck had the 289 v8 with dual exhaust. The last one had the granny gear 4 speed a d paid $300.00 for it. The first truck I described is my dream truck. Love the videos.

[@jimford2338]

Had two vans. A 62 E-100 and a 64 E-100. The 62 had a floor mounted heater which was super cool. Ripped the 6 140 ci and the 3 on the tree out. Put a 289 with 82 Mustang GT heads and intake 4 bbl holley with an auto C4 trans. Shift kit with a Quick Silver cable shifter mounted to the engine cover. Man ! Was it bad, you know what! Had to replace the weak rear end and put a HD rear end. You could smoke the tires off the thing. I loved it and miss it bad.

[@robertbusin9983]

Great 👌 little deliver Ute for the shop.

[@DavidSmith-fs4nt]

Love those old Ecocolines. First I ever heard of a 4 on the tree. Pretty cool 😎

[@MelvinSevik]

I hope you don't put a V 8 in that pickup. Keep it a 6 cyclender

[@Thomas63r2]

He's selling it for $10,500 - probably already sold at this point.

[@oldguy59]

thumbs up just because memories

[@jcreek9055]

'65 Econoline introduced the 240 engine and had a bigger doghouse. 302 would fit those, but I'd have kept the 240! My 65 was a 170. Worked just fine!

[@thomasfrye8996]

Great find!

[@digdanger]

That mystery part is the top of a beer keg spear.

[@kurtgreen1040]

I remember seeing them as a kid always liked them

[@VB-bk1lh]

Back in the early 80's I bought a '63 van model with a four on the column. It was different but worked fine. It was better than my prior van where someone had put a floor shifter in it with a long extension handle on it. Mine also had the 170 engine from the factory but the engine had a death rattle and I swapped in a 200ci motor from a newer Maverick with low miles. (The 200 posed a few height issues with the original air cleaner though but I solved that in a slightly drastic way, I pulled the head, sawed off the manifolds and made a custom dual carb manifold and custom headers for it. (I worked in a performance/fabrication shop at the time). In the end it ran fantastic but the more race oriented Weber carbs and headers posed driveability issues in the cold or when using it as a daily driver. I eventually swapped the motor again for a rebuilt 170, and put the modified 200 into a 1960 Falcon 2dr sedan. (When I eventually tired of the 200 motor and dual carb issues, I pulled that and stuck a '69 351 Windsor in the Falcon along with a top loader 4 spd from a Mustang).

[@markamcampbell5795]

my uncle had one of these trucks that we put a 302 out of a 70 ford truck that was bored .060 over and a 4 spd automatic built for racing and a four-barrel carb didn't know how much grunt it had until we got it on the freeway and he punched it to beat traffic and spun it 360 and about crapped his pants.

[@jonathanmiddleton1141]

Man!! I’d drive that awesome thing with the biggest smile.

[@bigbill709]

4 on the tree that's cool.

[@michaelkirkwood3316]

Well I'm going to be paying attention to this because I'm 67 years old and I've been driving three on the trees for a long time and I've never seen a four on the tree but I've seen a lot of three on the tree so I want y'all to focus on that cuz I want I want to see that four speed on the column

[@DependableAutoTruck]

great video thanks for sharing never heard of one of them

[@georgevan3102]

My favorite Ford truck

[@lumpjones6459]

AWESOME FIND 👊

[@eric_seguin]

Drove one when I was 14. The owner didn't tell me the brakes were shot. The 4spd. took a bit getting used to. I fixed his brakes for letting me use it. $6.95 for shoes and $2.95 for a pinched brake line. Cops got me once but I told them I was working on it for a friend and he let me go. Life back then was so much simpler.

[@South40Slim]

I had a 64 Econoline 1 Ton van with the 4 on the tree shifter. It had double doors on 3 sides.

[@richceglinski7543]

The parts in the bed you identified as a dampener pulley is a water pump pulley. The part you called a vacuum advance is a oil pressure sending unit. There is no vacuum hose nipple on it just a wire terminal.

[@gqsolutionsllc3163]

Great job with the little man ☺️

[@joebeach7759]

The first time I drove a standard on the column was my neighbors 60s econoline van, and it was also a 4 speed. I wanted to buy it so bad for my first car, but my mother didn't see anything positive coming from a teenager with a van. So I ended up with a mustang II.

[@tombob671]

That transmission is an English Dagenham. It was optional the years you mentioned in the Falcon. It was also used in the Ford Cortina great video

[@josephwhitehead2718]

At least you have some good people that knows what to do

[@David-yy7lb]

Man, that's gonna be an awesome project to restore that ole ford and would definitely be cool if you could squeeze a built stroker 347 SBF with a 5 or 6 tremec transmission in that ole gal👍🏿👍🏿

[@garyrice7191]

Back in the early 70's I had a Saab96 with 4 on the column.

[@waynegallant9056]

wow great channel first time seeing any videos i had to subscribe thanks guys love the content

[@gerry-p9x]

Add a pertronix ignition system. Do away with p9ints and keep it 6cyl. 5. Lug hole rims. From a mustang. Hrenada bolt right on hiving you 14. Inch tires

[@paulwillard5924]

I’d do the body work on it and make it my daily driver! Oh, and the wide whites??? Pimped out!

[@andyrichey1192]

Super cool love old-school vehicles I just found you guys I subscribed I’ll be watching for more👍👍😎

[@boblister665]

I had a 63 Comet with a 170 and a 4 speed. It was an English built trans by Dagenham I believe. Didn't survive the test drive when I put a V8 in

[@markamcampbell5795]

nice whitwalls all covered in grease.

[@shawnathon60]

We had an old Econoline van,, when something fell off,, we would put it back on,, had 2 large oak logs for bumpers,.. they were legal,, uncut,, but oak!

[@PepeofCalif]

Great very hard to find nearly nonexistent score in that condition. the cheeseball 1950s-era whitewalls - no bueno.

[@patricklorio7657]

We called them guppies.

[@johnbeltron8787]

Awesome! Carry on.

[@richgleadall3884]

man that is a cool truck.

[@daviddamico4288]

Awesome van ..

[@markboulton4500]

Considering my first car was a 1976 AMC Gremlin and my first truck I took my driving test was a 78 Ford F-150 3 on the tree / Wow what I would give just to take that truck out with some beer's and my fishing poles and never come back to Tesla world .

[@dandunlap8638]

Some early commercial trucks had a 5 on the tree

[@BigHeinen]

Great truck! Not a fan of the wide whites.

[@robertjean659]

4 speed econolines are fairly rare, gotta keep this one. Too good to move on. 🇦🇺🇦🇺👍👍

[@garnerinspectionservices3407]

I'd drop a commins 12 valve in that bad boy. Stacks or side pipes, either would be totally cool.

[@user-yx2ip6cr9h]

I was surprised you didn't lube up those cylinders a little bit before you started spending the motor over.

[@mrchevy7892]

Musti1 has one just like yours..

[@davidbohner692]

Thanks!

[@Ironcitygarage]

Thank you we really appreciate it!

[@Ironcitygarage]

@Ironcitygarage support like that keeps us wanting to give you the best content and shows how much you appreciate the work truly thank you.

[@paulmurawski3683]

Bk in the day when I was 15/16. Me and my buddy had a 64 Econoline van. Fun as could be. Chick on the dog house and we would roll all round. Heck if we had ten dollars of gas last all week.

[@leegoldeneagle9003]

Hello again nice truck 👍👍👍💪

[@KCAATV]

Four on the column. No Way. I'm 75 years old and I've owned, repaired and driven more pickups than I will ever remember and I've never seen a four on the column. It is illogical and counter intuitive. All I can say is that it must be another inexplicable and insane "Mandela Effect". For me, this one beats the Beren"stain" Bears. I don't know about you, but I want my old reality back, like it was before the universe went haywire.

[@robertpimpo4698]

Great vehicles nice job guys runs good needs a little work but for it's age what wouldnt

[@RodOsterhout]

Just put oil in it without the filter oil should come out if the pump works

[@Josh-lq8bx]

I have always liked those old trucks. But I love anything mopar. I prefer the classic dodge A100.

[@sandrarabey5350]

Question to the older gentleman would oil sprain on the under carriage, portent rust?

[@waiting4aliens]

Weird truck with a 7 1/2 foot bed that was always tail light without a load. The 4 speeds were to make up for the lack of power. Not a particularly stout transmission. A lot of chopping to get a 240/300 into the truck. A later truck, post 65 with the 240/300 and an overdrive transmission would be the way I'd go. My 170 was a gutless wonder with a load on it. 3 spd. A 250 six might be an easy swap.

[@mlow587]

I see Peter build that one .

[@FreezyAbitKT7A]

Is that on the way to Penn Hills?

[@Ironcitygarage]

Yep

[@gregorykolanek6820]

Time line 52:51 first gear looks hurt, that's what the blocking rails prevent. Camera angle ? ! ?

[@roberthamlet7691]

Yeah they had a leaver at the bottom of the dash to put it in reverse

[@johnccargill4665]

my 59 Merdedes had a 4 on the tree as did a number of European xaea.

[@hughiemaceachern5282]

Them old snow tires with v tread 80s since i saw 1

[@markamcampbell5795]

check out mustie one . he has on of these trucks that he did extensive rust repair to and it came out excellent.

[@garysoykin2783]

I grew up out in California and you could not give those things away back then and if you bought one you probably pick it up for 50 bucks

[@ralphnorris-vk8ff]

I would love to put a 300ci in one of those!

[@mylanmiller9656]

Most of the Heavy duty Econoline's came with the 240 engine so to install a 300 would fit the same as the 240. I used to be a plumber and we had a fleet of them all our Heavy duty 's had the 240 engines. one of our lite duty 's had the 144 and it was badly under powered.

[@alien-cr2]

it sounds like my dad's old lawnmower ngl

[@marksommers6764]

Brake parts courtesy of 1958 Ranch wagon

[@gabrielv.4358]

Keep the I6 in it. V8's are everywhere, and are boring. Make that i6 shine with racing parts, its going to not let you down!

[@RichieCat4223]

3:43 A water pump? That is a oil pump.

[@jimenz6548]

Kinda like the oil sending unit is a vacuum advance.........and the water pump pulley is a damper pulley..... I don't know a gear head that can't identify those parts properly.......kinda telling me this guy has never really worked on any old cars or trucks....

[@jimenz6548]

When the guy asked if it was a 12 volt or 6 volt kinda floored me.....Except for maybe a few tractors, was there anyone making 6 volt vehicles?.......wasn't most all of them 12 volt by 61 or 62......I know 64 was a time that generators were standard and alternators were an option for Ford.

[@RichieCat4223]

@@jimenz6548 Yes 61 and 62 were 12 volt negative ground system.

[@garyrawn]

I believe you have an old U-Haul unit

[@Thomas63r2]

Yes, U-Haul Orange (probably had a different name)

[@garyrawn]

U-Haul orange and white top

[@birdssurfshed]

hope the valves stop clacking

[@charliejones7574]

What were those? 223?232?

[@MelvinSevik]

Why do you have the blue package tape to the mirror.

[@deandee8082]

drop a nice 289 in her.. yup, buddy Dan had the van with a 289, column shift.. runner runner

[@paulmurawski3683]

Where did you get them gangster white walls?

[@royr8824]

55 to 75 psi?

[@jefferywarburton2116]

Someone could do far worse as a project or a driver.

[@andrewbrubaker1366]

Are you located near pittsburgh?

[@Ironcitygarage]

In Pittsburgh

[@andrewbrubaker1366]

@@Ironcitygarage I live in leetsdale

[@donaldweaver6849]

3 speed forward 1 reverse not 4 speed.

[@clarkleakins879]

If you plan to restore, keep the original engine. If you want a daily driver, change to simple 1966/67, 240 6 cylinder, much better. Add a shroud to the fan. Better upgrade the radiator with dual electric fans. And upgrade brakes to front disc! Decades ago, had a 64 170 Falcon with 4 on the floor factory original.

[@tOxIc_TrEaSuRe]

you are the crumple zone in that thing

[@jimenz6548]

I was beginning to think this was a clown show.....and then you put wide whitewalls on this poor little truck. Then it really did become a clown show. I must move on.....I just can't watch anymore of this.

[@Ironcitygarage]

lol adios

[@kennethewertz9313]

You have 2 great vintage guys who know there stuff. You can't duplicate the knowledge and experience they have. They make working on this vehicle look easy and straight forward when it really isn't. Good for you.

[@Bongofurry]

Nothing like having an old head on the project. Glad I found yours.