Is a 4Runner TRD Off-Road BETTER than a Jeep Rubicon OFF-ROADING?

Is the 4Runner Better?
Do 33s really make a difference?
Am I bad at driving?
In this video, we do an Off-Road comparison between a 2020 Jeep JLU Rubicon and a 2021 Toyota 4Runner TRD Off-Road.
Both vehicles are rocking 33 inch All terrain tires so it should make for a pretty interesting comparison!! It’s also winter here at Tahuya ORV in Washington State which should make things that much more fun with some snow in the forecast.
Stock 2020 Jeep Wrangler JLU Rubicon vs 2021 Toyota 4Runner TRD Off-Road on 33s
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Timestamps
0:00 Intro
0:58 Toyota 4Runner Intro
1:20 Jeep JL Intro
1:45 Angles and Ground Clearance
2:26 Vehicle Dimensions
3:50 Articulation
5:46 Off-Road Ride Quality
6:38 Ramp Angles
7:27 Breakover Angle
8:26 Conclusion
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My Vehicle:
Jeep Wrangler Rubicon
Warn VR10S
3 piece steel bumper
Iron Man Raid Series Rock Sliders
Stock 33s
Overland Gear:
Iceco JP40Pro
Jackery 240
Camp Chef Teton Compact Stove
Recording:
GoPro Hero 7
Movo VXR10-PRO External Video Microphone
DJI Mini 3 Pro
DJI Osmo OM6

[@JTRSpartacus]

Both are good offroad vehicles. It shows that the 4 Runner with a mild build can go toe to tie with Jeep. The Wrangler will clear 35” tires from the factory and that would eliminate the breakover and clearance issues.

[@520overland]

Definitely! That’s the big point here. Small changes can have a pretty big impact

[@Moon222]

Unless you are going rock climbing, the answer is always 4Runner TRD. Thanks for this concise and detailed vid.

[@capmidnite]

For overlanding in the USA, 80% of the driving is on vast interstate highways to reach the destination. For that reason, the 4Runner is the better choice.

[@jkline398]

This is what matters. If you are going to trailer your 4x4 to get to the trails like you should anyway, then there is no comparison to a SxS

[@azwelke2638]

One thing I can say, is that when I'm out on the back roads of Arizona in my 4runner, I see a lot of jeeps broken down. So, despite the statistics, the jeep will get you out into the bush, but the 4runner will make sure you get home.😁

[@RLTW_03]

💯

[@zhester86]

@jim you really going to argue public information? Plenty of stats out there for you to read in the reliability category.

[@zhester86]

@jim meanwhile go watch commercials from the 90’s of stock Toyota’s bouncing through the trail or on the farm. Those still run today ! Is the wrangler cooler sure, but cool points don’t buy me reliability.

[@zhester86]

@jim yup, I’m perfectly fine. Thanks for your concern.

[@joewe23]

Fan boy without any proof lol Yeah sure buddy lol

[@allanblack8635]

4runner is for adventure, the jeep is for playgrounds. Jeep for rock crawl and extreme fun. 4runner for impromptu road trips.

[@michaeldbhawker3556]

Delusional. When a 4 runner winches your mechanical broke ass out as it will remember this conversation.

[@drewsky1008]

Phenomenal video and education on offroad and other great details awesome, well put together 💯😎

[@520overland]

Appreciate it! Glad you enjoyed it!

[@blu_is500]

I loved this video! I’ve always been a major fan of both, thanks for posting.

[@520overland]

Glad you enjoyed!! Thanks for watching

[@anthonybattaglia5126]

Great comparison...well done!

[@520overland]

Glad you enjoyed it!

[@davidwood974]

Toyota reliability all the way!

[@ChrisArrowood7309]

Thanks for sharing! I enjoyed and learned a bit. I am a new '21 T4R owner myself!

[@520overland]

Congratulations!! Let me know if you have any questions on it!

[@d.phothirath5084]

Considering I owned a Jeep Wrangler and now own a T4R... to have the T4R be compared to the Jeep off road is a huge compliment. With highway driving , room and resale value It's why I own the 4Runner now. ✌🏼

[@RagingBad]

Not only a Jeep but a Rubicon

[@joerouth6255]

Resale on wranglers is really good. What would really be the biggest tie breaker now uh days is mpg (they both pretty much suck). Something that gets 28ish would be ideal

[@blueduster74]

Doesn’t matter for most people, choose want you like. But leave the rocks and similar stuff alone if your in a IFS vehicle. You will break sooner than later. Helped more than a few Toyota and H3s that were broken on the trail.

[@RagingBad]

@@blueduster74 and your Jeep will keep breaking everything

[@bobquattrini1787]

Plus the Toyota has weak ifs suspension... 😆

[@zachariahivanov4654]

Take the 4Runner to the rubicon trail and do the same comparison

[@520overland]

Hopefully we can make that possible one day!

[@canalesivany]

Come back 5 years later the 4Runner will be running like champ the fiat jeep I don’t think so!

[@thadlm2698]

@@canalesivany 5 years; that Jeep won’t be running in 2 years without some type of mechanical intervention.

[@canalesivany]

@@thadlm2698 I know I was just trying to be nice with jeep lovers! I had jeep wrangler they endless money pit!

[@williamwilde9867]

A properly maintained jeep will last forever my 89 Cherokee still runs like a champ

[@14MAVD]

Great video! Thanks!

[@michaelcirlos150]

great video well done!

[@dave1534]

Good video. Since I have a 2020 4RNR off-road, i’m more biased towards the 4RNR 😊 looking forward to more of your uploads. Sub’d

[@shornandkenny]

Great video!

[@520overland]

Thanks for watching!!

[@MCGaar]

Drop dead gorgeous thumbnail. I’ve owned both and I love them

[@520overland]

Lucky!!

[@hisaddle]

I have a JKUR and had a 97 4Runner for daily driver in CO. Go to the tough trails in CO and UT and you mainly just see Jeep Wranglers. High country CO trails you do see Tacomas. I was in a 4x4 club in CO, formula was: get a Rubi, lift it, larger tires, aftermarket steel bumpers front and rear, winch, side rails to slide along the boulders, and you are good to go.

[@Anomize23]

Both are just capable vehicles. You see more 4runners and jeeps than anything on trails these days.

[@eric9432]

Good video. I've owned both ove the years and both are good vehicles. I personally don't see myself owning a jeep again after making the swap.

[@cry_now_laugh_later]

Umm jeeps are notorious for being pieces of junk. The reliable 4 runner is the way to go. That’s coming from a master mechanic.

[@janhbhugo5085]

Nice video !

[@520overland]

Thanks!! Glad you enjoyed it!

[@samsoniteman24]

Im in Rockies, I’ve had Tacoma TRD off road I found myself not using the crawl control only using 4 x 4 low and now a 4Runner sr5 it’s all about tires you’d be fine in basic 4x 4 low with Atrac and DAC.

[@derekreilly1356]

Reliability alone 4Runner takes the cake

[@520overland]

Maybe but I would definitely recommend checking this out kzbin.info/www/bejne/gJvCkH5nZ9KqqK8 it makes some solid points on reliability vs ruggedness. That’s said, statistically my Jeep will probably end up spending more time in the shop in the future but who knows

[@blueduster74]

🤣 no. The Toyota dealer works on just as many Tacomas and 4Runners as the jeep dealers. This brand loyalty stuff is hilarious.

[@RLTW_03]

@@blueduster74 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 not even close

[@terrynichol577]

​@@blueduster74 don't be dumb fan boy

[@adrianibarrajr9827]

These two are awesome suvs , wife and I got a 4runner and brother in law got a wrangler Rubicon. We went on a trail run and both cleared some nice task. Mine obviously did struggle a bit in one 😢 but made it out. I got all fa tory on mine and brother in law got 35s.

[@thomassanio8745]

Question about the 4Runner. I see you are running P285 70R17 tires with a 1.5 spacer lift. What is clearance in the wheel wells like at full lock on steering and full stuff on flex? Be interested in seeing if there is enough clearance with 1.5” of lift. I don’t want to go too high as I run a RTT up top but would like to run that sauce tire. Thanks. Great video, very informative.

[@520overland]

Just asked Alan (owner of the 4Runner) and he said that he had a small amount of rubbing at full turn but some minor trimming of the inner fender liners fixed that. He is also rocking -12mm offset wheels that help out with that. Thanks for watching!

[@richardroach7127]

Had to pull out high centered 4dR with my 2007 4runner limited. Driver,who had to walk out,luckily came across me while I was bird hunting. Was concerned as to whether I could get to his vehicle. No problem. Previously owned a CJ 7 and a Cherokee. Have to say that there was very little difference between them and 4runner as far as off reading capabilities.

[@dalepellerin]

No, nothings ‘better’ at off-roading than a jeep. But I’ll still take my 4Runner off-roading over a jeep as I know it will always get me home and last twice as long. But pure off-road capability, the jeep is more capable and everyone who off-road knows that, especially all of us R4unner owners.

[@520overland]

I guess it depends on how rough the trail is too

[@androidandtecnologia]

Awesome thanks 👍

[@harrisonmcdowall2794]

I just thought you should know that the length number for the Jeep includes the spare tire. Just means the 4Runner has a considerably larger amount of interior room than the Jeep. Great comparison video BTW!

[@520overland]

Ah! Great point! Looks like the Jeeps actual length is around 184 inches and the spare tire adds about 4-5 inches.

[@ra_redesignautomobiles]

Both are the best!

[@Mjr1348]

Great vid

[@520overland]

Thank you!

[@JoeTaco83]

Before watching this video I will Still always take a Toyota 4Runner. Way more reliable and way more chance of it making it past 350k miles on the same engine vs the Jeep that it’s more of a miracle if it even gets to 200k miles.

[@profebillhawaii]

Being a lifelong Jeep guy that swapped to TRD ORP I’m never going back.

[@toprankin1973]

Yes, Toyota is better in every way.

[@Col.JohnMatrix]

Strictly for off road use and future modifications Jeep all day long. If its a pavement princess/mall crawler/DD then the 4 Runner is a solid option. Both are very nice and capable vehicles with great resale value!

[@matthewschiebout7384]

the 4 Runner does a good job off-road and there are MANY options for modifications, but ignorance is bliss, as they say. Most Rubicons are pavement only vehicles too!

[@zhester86]

Whoa! Soccer mom friendly sure, but it’s wrangler that is mainly driven by teenage girls that circulate the mall.

[@michaeldbhawker3556]

Lmao. Winched out so many mechanically failed jeeps with my 2013 4runner in my day. Offroadability means shit when the mechanics crap out. Copium is strong with the jeep bitches. Now. Combine all yota mechanics in a jeep platform and yr onto something.

[@MechaTronic161]

3rd Gen. 4Runner here. Been in Tahuya several times, especially to the crazy trail called, “Trail 55”.

[@520overland]

Nice!! I really dig 3rd Gen. 4Runners. What mods, if any are you running?

[@MechaTronic161]

Addicted Off-Road plate front bumper CBI Off-Road plate rear bumper WARN VR Evo 10-S Winch Savage Off-Road skid plates CBI Off-Road rock sliders Toyota/Aisin manual locking hubs Total Chaos front upper control arms Total Chaos rear control arms FOX Factory Series front coilovers OME rear 3”lift springs w/ Bilstein shocks 285/70 R17 KO2 tires w/ Tundra rims Tundra front brakes Eaton Detroit Truetrac LSD rear diffs.

[@jeremielewis1575]

I’ve own 2 jeeps a 2door and 4 door. I now own a 4Runner. With my off road experience and I have a lot with all 3 vehicles, the 4Runner is definitely better. The jeep sucks if you have kids dogs or want to go over landing. So much more room and able to bring more with you with the 4runner

[@bobquattrini1787]

The Toyota has a weak suspension with no flex and a weak motor and a 5 speed outdated automatic

[@terrynichol577]

​@@bobquattrini1787 your name is weak,.so.is your yuppie comment

[@achilles5197]

​@bobquattrini1787 weak argument. You obviously havnt seen the tough test of a stock 4runner.

[@bradleyjohnson3068]

After owning both, the 4Runner is very capable, but the Rubicon has vlear advantages over the Toyota from an off roading standpoint.

[@520overland]

Yup! That’s awesome you’ve had the opportunity to own both

[@vegetar7886]

Their both great vehicles, it's pretty much what do you like. I prefer the Toyota tho.

[@erinmanners5033]

Don't let marketing fool you Jeeps are not reliable at all.....I would pick the 4 runner all day everyday

[@onebridge7231]

Both are nice.

[@joemcgee2918]

I have a Jeep in the garage and a 4runner for the wife. Nice trail.

[@alecnull]

I have a Jeep and frequently wheel with Tacomas. IMO The biggest draw back to the Taco/4R is not the lack of suspension flex, but the approach angle and what it takes to fit oversized tires.

[@520overland]

Yeah, I’m able to fit 315/70r17 on the Rubicon with the stock suspension with only slight rubbing at flex. If the 4runner here wanted to do that it would definitely hurt his wallet

[@robbergstrom943]

Gx460 owner here. Both platforms are great and we are fortunate to have the choice. If I spent more time offroad on more difficult tracks I’d buy a Jeep in a heartbeat. We do long overlanding treks of moderate or easy difficulty with little to no rock crawling and with large swathes of highway to and from so the Lexus suits us well. And contrary to comments above, my experience is that Jeeps can have much fewer breakdowns than Toyotas when you really push capabilities of the vehicles.

[@520overland]

GXs are awesome vehicles! And exactly! It all depends!

[@JoeTaco83]

The Jeep will probably have less breakdowns when it come to suspension and axle maybe. But if we are talking about Engine Breakdowns…. We’ll you need to do some research my friend because the Toyota will always Shine when it comes to reliability.

[@spencerdixon98]

I love both but o really like the look of the 4Runner

[@520overland]

Yeah, Alan (owner of the 4Runner) is putting together a really slick looking build!

[@JoeTaco83]

The 4Runner looks way better with little to none body mods. A Jeep keeps looking almost the same boring style throughout the years and you have to do lots of crazy mods like lights and grills or the angry eyes.

[@Aries1rbh]

I owned a 4 Runner while stationed in Japan it is a very capable vehicle. I have driven Jeeps for over a decade. Had the MW3 Rubicon Unlimited and would not hesitate to put it up against a 4Runner. Currently I own a Rubicon Gladiator and it is a better more capable off roader.

[@MrRiffraf]

looks like a fun trail

[@520overland]

Yeah! It’s a pretty dope spot! Thanks for watching

[@gxplore]

Capability-wise, JKUR all the way (T4R 5th gen owner here) TRD Pro doesn't even compete.

[@Justjeepingadventures]

Disagree that the yoda would go to toe as I have had both. I love my yodas too! Great video though!

[@topofthegreen]

The four runner will out last the Jeep, JEEP Just Expect Every Problem.

[@takeover3731]

Google what is the most reliable car brand in the WORLD? nuff said

[@SanctumOfDreams]

Even though people always say the Toyota will outlast the Jeep, interestingly enough that wasn't the case for my friend and I. His tacoma saw almost all pavement and ended breaking down on a commute to work. The transmission melted, about 65k miles. I haven't had a single problem with my jlu on a 3" lift and 35s over the 4 years of daily driving and going on trips down south and up the mountains. Sometimes it's not all black and white.

[@3rdgenbestgen21]

Let me just say this. I was tagging along with my friends on wrangler with 33” while I was on stock 1996 4runner😂. Out in Anza Borrego doing the Diablo Drop Off 😂😅

[@520overland]

Those 3rd gen’s are the best 4Runners! Would love to hear the rest of that story

[@monkeypolice3048]

Jp if you live on the country road, T4R both country and city. I'd own both if I have money.

[@off-roadingexplained8417]

I actually was able to improve my (real world) breakover angle with spring rubbers (stiffens the suspension) with no change to ground clearance and no change therefore to "on paper" breakover angle. This was proven via a breakover obstacle that I just barley scrape. This is a functional difference. An important lesson is also that while stiffer suspension might not flex as well, it will hold ground clearance better! Weirdly, I didn't lose much corner travel flex at all when I did some corner travel tests. Perhaps the load in the corner travel test was great enough to overcome the stock suspension and the stiffened stock suspension. I'm not sure. All I can say is what happened. So even if the 4 runner and the Wrangler had exactly the same ground clearance and exactly the same wheelbase, because independent suspension winds up having higher wheel rates due to different motion ratios, it can wind up having better real world clearance - and I'm not even including the better center clearance that it usually has.

[@520overland]

That makes sense! I think I definitely oversimplified for my calculations in this video but definitely need to go through just suspension setups and changes more in depth. There are so many variables but thanks for explaining your changes with spring rubbers!

[@briansbeemer]

100% stock to stock would be a true comparison. Or give the Jeep the same lift and tire option.

[@520overland]

The Jeep is rocking 33s as well

[@Sasquatchflow]

Love both vehicles but I gotta go for the Toyota for reliability and quality control

[@MichaelMiller-rg6or]

Was the 1.5 inch spacer lift enough to keep the 33” tires from rubbing in the front?

[@520overland]

That plus the offset on the wheels keeps it from rubbing.

[@adrianw3985]

I've had a Tacoma, a 4Runner, and a Jeep. Toyota's are great, but if you plan to build up an off-road capable machine, you can't really touch a Jeep. A Rubicon will fit up to a 39-inch tire with a small lift. If you want to go 40 plus you should upgrade the axles. I still have a Land Crusier, and it can do a lot, but for serious off-roading, it's the Jeep. Before you say Toyota's are more reliable, the truth is that a Toyota in more extreme off-road breaks far more. Unfortunately, we can't get the more serious 70 series Land Cruiser here like Australia. Those would be at the top of my list...

[@eurika7655]

I liked the trail

[@michaelcirlos150]

Do you mind sharing what lights you are running on the jeep front bumper?

[@520overland]

The Jeep is running 7inch AUDEXEN 105W Driving LED lights!

[@michaelcirlos150]

@@520overland Awesome!

[@HotSizzleTV_]

Crazy you are in my state Washington Seattle.. I want the 4Runner I am waiting for the redesign to buy my first truck. Where is a good place to learn how to off road I am new to this scene.

[@520overland]

Tahuya ORV is a great spot as there is a bunch of different trails for all skill levels. If you are looking for an awesome off-road community, definitely check out Rigs and Adventures! facebook.com/groups/rigsandadventures

[@HotSizzleTV_]

@@520overland thank you for this I’ll definitely check this out, the more knowledge the better, I never off-road before all the help is needed. Is that Facebook group local to Washington state ?

[@520overland]

@@HotSizzleTV_ it’s PNW based but slowly expanding! Most event you see at the moment though will be in Washington

[@TJ-hd5ym]

Should have this tested on the rubicon trail.

[@520overland]

Hopefully we get there some day! Thanks for watching!

[@offgridhomesteadthemudpuddle]

If you have a Jeep, modify it with bigger tires, lift and proper gearing.......if you have a Yota, modify it with bigger tires, lift, proper gearing and a solid axle swap. I have both and BOTH work great!....And don't forget, proper maintenance on both.

[@520overland]

Definitely! Proper maintenance is definitely overlooked!

[@capmidnite]

But which one can you take the top off and go cruising on a warm summer evening?

[@520overland]

Facts!!

[@achilles5197]

21 trd off road premium and 22 sasquatch bronco owner, sold the bronco last week.

[@520overland]

I would’ve done the same thing

[@kellstat]

So, sounds like the 4runner is just better.

[@off-roadingexplained8417]

Independent suspension, as long as it has tires on the ground , will have BETTER traction if they had the same tire size. And remember most of the time your tires are on the ground. Once you get all of your angles over 30° or so life is pretty good. If you have approach and departure over 35° you're not really going to have any problems. And usually if you can get your break over above 28 or so you're not going to have any problems. Spacer lifts are fine. I have a 2 inch spacer. Yeah it rides a little stiffer but it's nothing that 3 psi lower tire pressure won't fix , really.

[@520overland]

Solid points!!

[@zalllon]

Of course, the answer is no, you have to spend money on the 4Runner to make it as capable as a Rubicon. I have a mildly modified 2022 TRD Off Road because 95% of my driving is on the road, and plan to keep it 10yrs. 4Runner more comfortable driving it on the hwy and at speed in windy conditions.

[@520overland]

Yeah, though with 33s, the 4Runner definitely steps up it’s game! That’s true in regards to highway driving but have you tried the 8speed on the new Jeep? That transmission is insanely smooth.

[@camooo101]

Question. How is it that the 4runner has 11.3 inches of ground clearance when in reality should be around 10.6 with 33s as stock with 265s/31.6 is 9.6 inches of GC?

[@520overland]

Good question! The 4Runner is also rocking a spacer lift giving it that extra inch of ground clearance

[@camooo101]

@@520overland How? When tires give additional ground clearance not spacer lifts. What size wheels?

[@520overland]

@@camooo101285/70r70 but I think I see what you mean. Since the the 4runner has IFS a space lift will improve the ground clearance up front but since the rear axle is solid, that ground clearance probably wont change. Ill definitely take into account the rear clearance for the next one. Good point!

[@BillyBobTup]

Surprising!

[@ttinnovations3310]

yes

[@mryikes9602]

So your trucks not level is still has a rake

[@CharlesP78]

What rims are on the 4Runner ? And offset ?

[@520overland]

The 4Runner is rocking the Relations Race RR6-H Hybrid Beadlock wheels with a -12 offset! www.relationsracewheels.com/collections/toyota-4runner/products/rr6-h-17x8-5-6x5-5-6x139-7-hybrid-beadlock-toyota-tacoma-4runner-1?variant=40091644526674

[@ep6606]

Hard to beat a Rubicon..

[@epicone2449]

Solid axle is just better for rock crawling. I have a Tacoma

[@dundeeecroc]

I have a 1985 Toyota 4runner SR5 on 35's with 5:29 gearing and is a factory manual.

[@brianflynn5491]

You tell them, Zach

[@spencerdixon98]

4Runner is better for daily driving not so rough on the road

[@jinoh7418]

Ive had both, now a 21 diesel wrangler. 4runners are capable, but the IFS limits the 4runner from deeper flexing, but IFS is better on desert trails for more speed and jumping. Jeeps crawls much better on mountain trails. On the maountain trails where i live, toyotas tend to slow down traffic on the badge of honor trails.

[@520overland]

That seems to be right on the money!

[@Baebon6259]

now drive both till 200k miles then conduct another off-road test.

[@520overland]

Give me a few years and I’ll get back to you on that! Meanwhile, I do have a video of a Jeep JK with 200k miles off-roading posted up

[@cowelk]

That was a good comparison. What was the new cost of the Rubicon? It seemed to be stock and if not stock with any modifications? What was the cost of the 4Runner with modifications including tires? I believe a comparable Jeep "out of the box" will out off-road a comparable 4Runner. As far as on-road, a 4Runner will be smoother but the transmission shifts a lot more while at highway speed in hilly or mountainous terrain.

[@520overland]

The Jeep brand new ran 52k. It probably has about 1.5k in modifications between the winch upfront and the steps/sliders. I believe the 4Runner was 45k and has about 5k in mods between the lift, wheels, tires, rack, and steps/sliders. Let me get back to you on that number though! I guess that brings up another good point in what would give you the best bang for your buck! Also, funny you brought that up about the transmissions. We were just talking about that. Engine power wise both vehicles have similar numbers but the 5speed transmission on the 4Runner definitely does a lot more shifting and doesn’t put down power as efficiently as the 8 speed in the Jeep.

[@offhourscoffeeproject]

cool

[@frasiec]

A rubicon is designed for crawling up slowly. Trd pro is Baja. You need to compare rubicon to the trail hunter trim or jeep Mojave to trd pro

[@520overland]

Would love to get my hands on a trail hunter! They both definitely have their specialties. Thanks for watching!

[@MarreroBuilt]

When I heard a KZbinr say that their Jeep Gladiator is considered high mileage with 130,000 miles it shocked me. My 3Rd gen 4Runner has 230,000 miles and that's nothing for these vehicles. But Jeeps are more offroad worthy than Toyotas, especially with the FSA, and locker plus they have so many options and can be high horsepower compared to the 4Runners V6.

[@520overland]

Yeah, my Jeep is almost at 50k so based on that I guess it mid aged haha

[@kamalgill3256]

But here is a problem, when you have low range, horsepowers dont matter, horsepower comes in play on open road but jeep doesnt have suspension to give you the full benefit of those extra horses. Price and space are better diffrentiators when it comes to comparing two.

[@rickeycooley9139]

@@kamalgill3256agreed 👍

[@andrewkeeton3627]

Kinda hard to offroad in a Jeep when it decides it’s just break down for whatever reason. Always felt like jeepers have somethin to prove

[@SomoneTookMyName]

As much as I like Toyotas I would not get rid of my 2 door wrangler. Granted it has some serious mod on it. I would not trust a front independent suspension in many places where a solid axle setup would have no issue. Hell I was going to get a FJ some time back. They were put out to compete with the wrangler. Due to the front suspension the had many issues including roll overs. Where the jeep did not have these issues. Dont bash me for being pro jeep. I do like Toyotas a lot. An older full axle Toyota is far more capable then the newer ones.

[@520overland]

If I had a two door Jeep I wouldn’t get rid of it either! I get that. If I could I would definitely have both Jeeps and Toyotas in my garage. Thanks for watching!

[@ltperaal897]

TRD 100%, . THE COMPARISON IS RIDICULOUS.

[@healingenso7923]

The Rubicon is more commitment than most people truly want. I'd be more interested in what competes with the 2022 Grand Cherokee Trailhawk than Rubicon.

[@520overland]

That would be interesting! Don’t see too many newer Grand Cherokees on the trail though

[@healingenso7923]

@@520overland - the 2022 Grand Cherokee Trailhawk is pretty good. But something of a 'push-button' off road vehicle. The 2023 GC is in Hybrid only and I don't think that will actually help sales. I had a Toyota FJ Cruiser for 10 years and it didn't have very much in the way of gadgets, it was just very good at what it did. I was going to wait for the 2024 4Runner, but as the new 4Runner appears to be coming in 2025, I don't know what I will be doing now.

[@John-cz6it]

Is the trd pro completely stock?

[@520overland]

It’s a TRD Off-road with the take off suspension from a TRD Pro and 33 in tires. So I guess technically yes but with slightly larger tires

[@John-cz6it]

@@520overland great channel and I love the way you use your trucks. Can you fit 33’s on a TRD pro?

[@Sonofagreatdad]

a 4 runner has a sway bar?

[@520overland]

It has kdss which effectively mimics a sway bar but what extra steps! Thanks for watching!

[@barrya.6212]

THE TOYOTA HAS A LIFT...THE JEEP DOES NOT.... HOW IS THIS A EVEN COMPARISON ?? >> 7:40

[@jdm8577]

The 4Runner had a spacer lift which is for looks only and to put bigger tires on it. You’re acting like the 4Runner had $6,000 worth of suspension under it like mine. My 4Runner would smoke that jeep and when it’s over and the Jeep is broke down I’ll tow it back laughing the whole way. 😂😂😂

[@minegamer8437]

For hardcore rock crawler of course the Jeep wins because of the straight axle etc.

[@idontcaresapo8233]

Two different rigs. I have both. The runner it’s the best on road when traveling far out but the jeep goes places the runner would never go.

[@Noypi54494]

Toledo factory vs Tahara factory

[@dereckjtbear2175]

You Are Not serious, there is No comparison. Like chalk and cheese.

[@ricktodd3887]

Where is the oversize tires and lift on the jeep? Don't get Me wrong as I do like the Toyota but this is not a fair out of the box comparison and I feel it is biased

[@520overland]

I get you though having 33s on both vehicles made it a closer comparison by the numbers. We may have to do this again though if I ever put 35s on the Jeep!

[@jdm8577]

The 4Runner had a spacer lift which is only for looks and to fit bigger tires bro. 😂😂😂 it’s little spacers installed on top of the stock suspension. 😂😂😂

[@wpgeeth]

It shouldnt even be a question. Toyotas hardly breakdown vs jeep always breaks down.

[@mikesters3532]

That’s why I drive a 2 door JLR! ✌🏻

[@DUNEATV]

You have the ultimate off-road vehicle! Period!

[@xzerbaluyot9994]

Is the 4Runner BETTER than a Jeep offroad? The answer is NO. BUT if I was to go somewhere in the middle of nowhere, I would rather take the 4Runner. Btw I have both.

[@xzerbaluyot9994]

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[@coloradomallcrawlers]

We have both… I’m not allowed to wheel the 4Runner. Great vehicle, but it’s not a fair comparison off-road based on lots of personal experience. My friends with runners need to build them to keep up with my stock wrangler. Also our 4Runner has been in the shop more than any of my wranglers have been… we probably have a dud tho.

[@520overland]

Definitely don’t hear much about that. What issues have you been having with the 4Runner?

[@coloradomallcrawlers]

@@520overland suspension and running rough… I don’t drive it much. It’s probably getting traded in tho.

[@xengyang6552]

Idk, a lot of runners I know locally are only at the shop for upgrades not repair.