Is a Finite Universe Evidence for God? || Conversation with Dr. Jeff Zweerink

[@tiltingwindmill]

I really appreciate your guest's viewpoint, his knowledge within his field, and his willingness to communicate and address these issues with you, without aggressiveness from either position. However, in answer to his closing question to you, I also see him using his inquisitiveness and skepticism riiiiiight up to the point that he sees a mind causing a beginning, and that that mind is the Christian god. I see that as a major leap that I can't understand or follow. I see no evidence for this at all. I realize that some of those last 'chapters' of your discussion were theoretical, but just seeing a mind ultimately pushing the singularity into the big bang, and ultimately billions of years later causing our species, and then after 150k years, for us to begin to write stuff down, over thousands of years... That feels like a stretch. To me. I reiterate, though, that I really appreciate his thoughts here, and greatly enjoyed this conversation. Thank you for bringing it to us.

[@JungleJargon]

Space is also not flat in the measures of time and distance in larger scales just like the Earth is not flat on larger scales. Light MUST indeed travel at the speed of light C. When distance is stretched light must travel that distance in the time determined by C. That means the light is traveling faster as perceived by us in a more contracted frame of reference. Add to that the fact that a second passes by faster away from the center of mass which increases the speed light MUST travel even more. It’s not complicated. It’s so simple. It’s the very reason things appear to be moving faster than the speed of light moving away from the center of the galaxy because they are moving faster yet without exceeding the speed of light. I don’t know why that is so hard to understand. There are three rates to consider. 1. The diminishing effect or draw of gravity away from the center of mass. 2. The increasing rate of time away from the center of mass. 3. The increasing measure of distance away from the center of mass. Speed is measured by time and distance which change and that changes the speed of light and causation. Distance gets longer without gravity and time goes by faster, both of which combine to speed up causation. The light has to arrive at a farther distance faster when distance is stretched *and* time also goes by faster. *Then* there is the first thing to consider and that is the diminishing draw of gravity which means things eventually slow down the farther away they are from the center mass of a galaxy. (It's not complicated.) 😎 Redshift happens when light leaves a galaxy. Blueshift happens as light enters a galaxy. All things being the same, the light will be redshifted and then blueshifted back again. Except we already know galaxies are different sizes. The distant galaxies that we can see are very large and the mass between here and there is large causing more redshift than our small galaxy can blueshift back to its original spectrum. The more distant a galaxy is the more accumulated gravity there is causing more redshift. Duh.

[@ReasontoDoubt]

I...don't think that's how redshift works

[@JungleJargon]

@@ReasontoDoubt You can't think, you have to know. Light entering a galaxy is indeed blueshifted.

[@ReasontoDoubt]

Then why is the light entering our galaxy from some other approaching galaxies blueshifted?

[@JungleJargon]

@@ReasontoDoubt It could also be that it is light from a smaller galaxy. Light from more massive galaxies will be more redshifted.

[@ReasontoDoubt]

@JungleJargon Just checking, are you saying that redshift and blueshift from distant galaxies is unrelated to their velocity relative to our own galaxy?

[@winstonbarquez9538]

Denying a beginning to disprove God.

[@ReasontoDoubt]

I don't think a lack of a beginning of the universe necessarily disproves God. It may rule out certain conceptions of deity though