Is A Harley Stage 2 Upgrade Worth The Money?

[@HDVIBE]

This is a must watch if you are considering a Stage 2 upgrade on your Harley. In the video, I cover what is a Stage 2, which components are needed and the associated cost, review the horsepower and torque numbers as compared to the stock 114 and ultimately share my conclusion to the question, Is the juice worth the squeeze? Thanks for watching and please consider subscribing to the channel if you have already done so. Also hit the thumbs up, comment below and share this with your friends. Rick

[@tax905972]

As for the tappets, just using new OEM ones is enough. On big builds,(stages 3 and 4) you would use the tappets you brought.

[@tax905972]

Did you soak the tappets?

[@HDVIBE]

Duane I used these to be extra safe. Don't want a failure and while the master technician was in there had them changed out. The old better safe than sorry. 👍

[@HDVIBE]

The tappets were primed before installing them in the bike. 👊✌️👍

[@tabou1]

Very clear and detailed without being so technical that normal humans cant understand a thing! Thank you so much

[@HDVIBE]

Thanks for watching and commenting. I appreciate your kind words. If you are already a subscriber to the channel...thank you. If you haven't yet subscribed to the channel I'd be honored if you'd consider doing so. Thanks for your support and ride safe. 👊✌️👍

[@andrewbaggley276]

As a complete amateur re bike mechanics, I found this to be an excellent point-to-point, keep-it-simple-to-explain-it-to-the-n00bs guideline. Thank you for making it clear how a Stage 2 upgrade works, what it's SUPPOSED to do, and potential trip-ups to detour around while in the process. All thanks, and keep 'em comin'.

[@HDVIBE]

Thanks Andrew for watching and commenting. I appreciate your kind words. If you are already a subscriber to the channel...thank you. If you haven't yet subscribed to the channel I'd be honored if you'd consider doing so. Thanks for your support and ride safe. 👊✌️👍

[@gerrydavisjr.3589]

Just had a couple of my bikes upgraded with the HD Stage 2 Kits. with the Screamin Eagle Torque CAM along with the KromeWerks header that uses the stock shields. So no CAT! That'll be paired with the TAB Performance pipes I already had installed on the bikes with the Zombie baffles. It sounds awesome! Using the Screamin Eagle tuner so I can keep my warranty. Very similar setup you have. I watched your videos and dedided to go a similar route. I know I could get more performance out of a 3rd Party CAM and Tuner, but this really does bump up performane and I get to maintain for HD warranty, especially since I hae an extended warranty. My local dealer also had me replace the stock HD Tappets and a few other odds and ends too. Again, pleased thus far. May use the new Bluetooth based Pro Tuner and let it help record and tune as you've mentioned in other videos. Keep up the good work with all of your videos. Learning alot. But it does get me spending more money LOL.

[@HDVIBE]

Thanks Gerry for watching and commenting. I really appreciate the kind words and support. Likes and comments go a long way to help build the channel. I really like the SE8 447 cam on the 114. Add some smart tuning and you get a great running bike. Thanks for your support. ✌️👊👍

[@JoeFurtado-xv5no]

Just came across this video definitely worth doing the stage 2. I did the work myself on my 2011 street glide with a 96” motor. Luckily I’m mechanically inclined and I obtained the service manual for my bike. I put in an S&S 551C cams with the S&S camplate and oil pump with fresh Timken bearings. While I was at it I put in new S&S precision tappets and quickie adjust push rods. Junked the stock headers for a fuel moto jackpot header with 4” S&S grand national mufflers and an Arlene Ness air kit. Tuned the bike with a V&H FP3. The bike runs great lots more torque decent bump in HP. Good cam for a bagger if you’re not looking to go crazy.

[@HDVIBE]

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[@surfczar]

Absolutely worth it. I even went the full length and changed the stock headers to Rinehart.

[@HDVIBE]

Thanks Larry for watching and sharing your input on the topic. If you are already a subscriber to the channel...thank you. If you haven't yet subscribed to the channel I'd be honored if you'd consider doing so. Thanks for your support and ride safe. 👊✌️👍

[@jasongaudreau2075]

Little bit of confusion…I’m at 15:40 of the video and you’re talking about cam lift and mention the “piston lift is higher for longer duration”….? I thought cams lift valves….and crankshafts lift pistons. Another question for me is (and I’ll hopefully find out after typing this and continuing with the video), is if the cam lobe goes higher, won’t the valve stems need to be shortened? And if so, do the valve springs need to change length? And do the materials used in said valve springs affect dyno numbers??? We’ll see. I got a (new to me) 2022 street glide special in apex black and I want a louder (black) exhaust and cam for lumpy idle. Being new I’d like to use Harley parts. Stage 2 or 3 etc etc without too much involved. (Not even considering some 131 motor overhaul here. Just some bolt on upgrades.

[@HDVIBE]

Thanks for watching and commenting. Hopefully it seems your questions were answered by watching the entire video. If you do go to a very high lift cam...you do need to get upgraded springs to handle the higher lift pressure. If you are already a subscriber to the channel...thank you. If you haven't yet subscribed to the channel I'd be honored if you'd consider doing so. Thanks for your support and ride safe. 👊✌️👍

[@kbaker801]

Great explanation and very helpful for me. Looking to go stage 2 this winter.

[@HDVIBE]

Thanks for watching and commenting. If you are already a subscriber to the channel.. thank you. If you haven't yet subscribed to the channel I'd be honored if you'd consider doing so. Thanks for your support and ride safe. ✌️👊👍

[@dondasher58]

I have a stock bike at the moment. Just purchased this bike a month ago. I’m looking at Stage 2 with full KW exhaust and louvered baffles. I don’t want super loud and I love that low rumble of the KW pipes. I started pricing it up with my local Harley shop today. I’ll stay with SE since I have the extended warranty on my 2021 117 motor CVO. My biggest gripe with Tab was that you have to take the muffler off to bang the baffles out. So I’ll go with KW and just remove screws on slip the baffles out if I change my mind on baffles. I’d plan on riding to Sturgis is next year. Would the torque cam cause any increase in gas consumption? So much of the. Riding will be open road and I’m sure 80mph plus.

[@HDVIBE]

Thanks Don for watching and commenting. I have had the Stsge 2 SE8447 cam in the road glide for about 8 or 9 months. My gas mileage is exactly the same as on my 2 Stage 1 117 bikes. I'm getting around 40 MPG. I tend to ride my bikes at higher RPMs, so I tend to get a bit lower fuel economy than others. If you are already a subscriber to the channel...thank you. If you haven't yet subscribed to the channel I'd be honored if you'd consider doing so. Thanks for your support and ride safe. 👊👍✌️

[@ChristianKustomz]

We did the HD Stage ll on my wife's 107 Lowrider back in 2019. She's still rippin' on it to this day. Def. worth the $ imo

[@HDVIBE]

Thanks so much for sharing your experience. I appreciate your continued support to the channel. Ride safe and enjoy. 👍✌️👊

[@dshall442]

Just did a stage 2 on my new to me 2012 Ultra. Feuling 543 kit went in without issue, got a new map from V&H for my FP3 and I’m good to go. Totally worth it when I found the kit on the clearance table at the local shop for $1300 all in.

[@HDVIBE]

Sounds like a great find and set up. Thanks Dan for watching and commenting. If you are already a subscriber thank you. If you haven't yet subscribed I'd be honored if you'd consider doing so. Thanks for your support and ride safe. 👍✌️👊

[@robbyclark6915]

That’s well worth the price of admission to me! That torque cam is hitting 110 by 25-2600 rpm, and maxing out at 118 at 3500 and staying busy way past the rev range I ride my 114 in. I typically stay between 2500-3500 rpm while cruising and that’s a great increase in torque in that range! My Low Rider S would love that cam! I can’t imagine what a difference that would make on my 680lb motorcycle! I gotta get this done within the not too distant future.

[@HDVIBE]

Thanks Robby for watching and commenting. I can't even imagine the pull on the Low Rider S with that much lower weight to power ratio. It would be a ripper. If you are already a subscriber...thank you. If you haven't yet subscribed to the channel I'd be honored if you'd consider doing so. Thanks for your support and ride safe. ✌️👊👍

[@robbyclark6915]

@@HDVIBE Yessir, already subbed a couple months ago

[@HDVIBE]

Thank you. Much appreciated. 👊

[@MrDoyle07]

I have the stage two in my 2018 FLTRXS and I think it’s the best money I spent on upgrades to my bike. It is fully awake and ready to go and aggression ready if I need it at all times and in all 6 gears. I also like not having to drop a gear if I need to give life a spanking. It increased the exhilaration factor enough to make me know I can step out from the congestion whenever I need to whereas before the stage 2 upgrade I might hesitate to pound it and try to shoot out from the traffic pinches. No single thing woke up the beast in this Mil 8 more than that stage two upgrade.

[@HDVIBE]

Thanks for watching and sharing your experience with the Stage 2. I'm always smiling when I ride the Road Glide Special. If you are already a subscriber to the channel...thank you. If you haven't yet subscribed to the channel I'd be honored if you'd consider doing so. Thanks for your support and ride safe. 👊✌️👍

[@kellybgliding]

It’s definitely worth it. I have a stage 2 with a 30/30 star racing .485 cam and it really woke up the bike.

[@HDVIBE]

Thanks Kelly for watching and sharing your set up. I appreciate your support. Ride safe and enjoy. ✌️👍👊

[@carlbruhn1772]

Absolutely. Love the 30/30. 2000-4500 table top torque.

[@HDVIBE]

Nice ✌️👊👍

[@cjg431]

Had a stage 2 on my 20 rk woke the bike right up. Now have a 22 road glide special I am thinking about doing it to. Already have the blue tooth tuner and high flow exhaust.

[@HDVIBE]

Thanks for watching and commenting with your input and perspective on the topic. If you are already a subscriber to the channel...thank you. If you haven't yet subscribed to the channel I'd be honored if you'd consider doing so. Thanks for your support and ride safe. ✌️👊👍

[@TheHarleyTech]

This is a really good video. Great job

[@HDVIBE]

Thanks John. I am honored by your comment. I'm not sure if you have subscribed to the channel, but, I would be honored if you would consider doing so. Ride safe and enjoy. ✌️👊👍

[@zeerozeero243]

I have a stage 2 upgrade on my 2019 Road King ,glad I did it

[@HDVIBE]

Thanks John for watching and commenting. It's great to hear that the Stsge 2 is working well for the Road King. If you are already a subscriber...thank you. If you haven't yet subscribed to the channel I'd be honored if you'd consider doing so. Thanks for your support and ride safe. 👍✌️👊

[@JA-zh5xi]

Outstanding breakdown!

[@HDVIBE]

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[@Heritagejim5339]

Spot on! I did a stage 2 on my Sport Glide all SE parts & torque cam. Hp 92, torque 113 on a 107 I’m happy. 1800 was about right for parts & install 😎

[@HDVIBE]

Thanks Jim for watching and providing your input and experience. If you are already a subscriber...thank you. If you haven't yet subscribed, I'd be honored if you'd consider doing. Thanks for your support and ride safe. ✌️👍👊

[@Elkslaya1]

Since i couldn’t find a video on a Stage 2 462 power cam on a 117, I’ll comment here. I just got my 22 SGST back from Thunderbird Harley Davidson after having them do the stage 2. And yes, the juice is worth the squeeze. Especially for my style of riding. I ride a lot of back roads here in NM and mountain roads here and in CO and AZ. Sometimes solo and sometimes with my honey. It’s definitely a noticeable difference. And the sound of the cam sounds great with the V&H header coupled with my Tab 50 cal mufflers. I can’t speak about reliability obviously because I’ve only put about 500 miles on it, but it is covered under the HD warranty so I’m not worried about it. I’m not sure what the HP rating was from the factory, but the Dyno says it’s got 103 HP now at its peak at 5400 rpm.

[@HDVIBE]

@Elkslaya1 Thanks for watching and commenting. I really appreciate you sharing your experience with the SE8 462 cam. I have been thinking about have that cam put on my 2023 Street Glide ST but like you mentioned, it's difficult to find much info on real world use of that cam. I have looked at HD s torque and HP curves for that cam on a 117 and it looks good, but, it seems not many people go that route. But as you state, that is Harleys Stage 2 cam for a 117 engine. If you are already a subscriber to the channel...thank you. If you haven't yet subscribed to the channel I'd be honored if you'd consider doing so. Thanks for your support and ride safe. ✌️👊👍

[@samw6239]

My 2023 Triglide 114 is on the trailer now to haul to Harley. I'm going with stage 2, 447 cam, Tab sticks with zombie baffles, Screaming Eagle air cleaner and SE tuner. I have a lot of warranty left and don't want to loose it. After warranty, I'll sell the SE tuner and may go with a better cam.

[@HDVIBE]

Thanks Sam for watching and sharing your plan. Sounds like a solid approach. If you are already a subscriber to the channel...thank you. If you haven't yet subscribed to the channel I'd be honored if you'd consider doing so. Thanks for your support and ride safe. 👊✌️👍

[@111Glenn]

Have the 2020 RG with TAB headers and SE tune (stage 1), but, have Zombie and left side and mid-range baffles on rt side. GREAT sound and lots of torque. No kidding!

[@bg19989]

I'm getting ready for a Stage 2 on my 2017 FLTRU with 60k mi on it. The existing Stage 1 consists of a Fullsac Touring Head pipe and recore kit, S&S Air Cleaner (next time I'd go with Arlen Ness as I did with previous bikes), FP3 tuner. I'm doing the stage 2 because the stock lifters are failing (just like my 103TC did at 75k mi.). Fullsac recommends the SE447. I don't like adjustable push rods. Are the stock push rods the correct length, if not what solid push rod should I use or what length is needed? I know I'll need to R&R the rockers but not a big deal to me, yes I'm doing it myself. Warranty is not an issue so I'm open to other cams but I don't want to compromise mpg. Also I did subscribe. Thanks for anything you can offer.

[@HDVIBE]

Thanks for watching, commenting, and subscribing. So the reason most use adjustable push rods when doing a Stage 2 is tp avoid taking off the top end. If you are already doing that, then putting in solid push rods is not an issue. The se8 447 is a good cam in my opinion. It brings on torque as you roll on the throttle. The other option is the SE8 462...or the S&S 465. Both have good low end torque and give you more power in the higher rpms. I'm personally not a fan of the S&S 475 cam. You loose low end torque and runs best at the 4000 and up rpm range. At take off, it almost stutters a bit. At least those that I know personally that have the 475 that's what they complain about it. Hope that helps. Thanks for your support and ride safe. 👊✌️👍

[@mitch_9219]

I just watched the video, very informative. I did the same thing to my 2021 SGS. I believe you have a part number wrong. You are correct that the bearing that is usually replaced is the CAM needle bearing, but the part number you listed is for the replacement right side roller bearing that supports the right side of the crank shaft ( Part Number: 24004-03B).

[@HDVIBE]

Thanks Craig for watching and commenting. You are correct in the bearing...I did in error pick up the incorrect part number for the CAM needle bearing...thank you for listing the correct PN. I have been very pleased with the upgrade and smile from ear to ear every time I crack the throttle. If you are already a subscriber...thank you. If you haven't yet subscribed to the channel I'd be honored if you'd consider doing so. Thanks for your support and ride safe. ✌️👍👊

[@philipjanes]

Thanks for the good video. I have a question. I've already done stage 1 with slip ons. The majority of my riding is 60-62mph on back road trips. Believe it or not I'm getting 45-47 mpg. Which i find to be awesome. How does this affect your mileage and by how much?

[@HDVIBE]

Thanks Philip for watching and commenting. That is great gas mileage. The best I have ever gotten is 41 mpg. I typically get 38 to 39 mpg and that's what I get on the Stage 2 and I also get the same on my CVO and ST with the Stage 1. So I don't think it has much impact on mpg. My though is it mostly depends on your riding style. I tend to ride a bit more aggressive running generally between 3,000 to 4,000 rpm range. If you are already a subscriber...thank you. If you haven't yet subscribed to the channel I'd be honored if you'd consider doing so. Thanks for your support and ride safe. 👍✌️👊

[@philipjanes]

@@HDVIBE Subscribed and thanks for the reply. Yes, I ride mostly tame under 3k rpm. I really didnt care about mpg until i started checking my mileage on this bike. Plus, running premium cost more. Not that I cant afford it, I just get real happy when I realize my stage 1 M8 is faster than most stage 2 twin cams, and I get better mpg.

[@HDVIBE]

The M8 motor is really nice. I also had a 103 twin cam and once I went to the M8....wow. Ride safe and enjoy. 👍✌️👊

[@chrisbarber356]

Did a stage 2 for my 2004 Road King. Definitely worth it!!

[@HDVIBE]

Thanks for watching and commenting with your input on the topic. If you are already a subscriber to the channel...thank you. If you haven't yet subscribed to the channel I'd be honored if you'd consider doing so. Thanks for your support and ride safe. 👊✌️👍

[@robertarmstrong4445]

I absolutely love your video and pros and cons of upgrading to a stage 2 torque conversion. My local dealer wants almost 5K and it doesn't include the high volume oil pump and cam support plate...smh. I'm thinking I have to learn how to do this kind of stuff myself

[@HDVIBE]

Thanks Robert for watching and commenting. I appreciate your kind words. If you are already a subscriber to the channel...thank you. If you haven't yet subscribed to the channel I'd be honored if you'd consider doing so. Thanks for your support and ride safe. ✌️👊👍

[@jamesbehrens6186]

Wow.. thanks so much for showing your part numbers and costs. I just called up my shop to get a quote for this, I actually had to give the guy the part numbers from your sheet.. I have a 2019SG with the 107. Makes me wonder if the guy actually made sure the part numbers were correct for my bike. Makes me think I should shop around. Sad.. this shop has done everything that has been done on this bike.

[@HDVIBE]

You are welcome. The parts should be correct for the 107. The only exception I listed the wrong part number for the inner cam bearing. It should be PN 24018-10. There should also be a few gaskets etc as well. Thanks for watching and commenting. Hope the build goes well. I think you will be pleasantly surprised when the cam is installed. More smiles with every mile. Thanks for your support and ride safe. ✌️👊👍

[@RidingandWrenching]

Great content! I recently did a stage 2. My only regret is the noise. I had a TAB header installed with TAB zombie baffles in the muffler. I'm switching to louvered baffles to lower the noise. The power is great, no impact on fuel economy

[@HDVIBE]

Thanks Cue for watching and commenting. I have the Rinehart DBX 45s on the Road Glide Special and with the Stage 2 its just slightly louder than the CVO or ST with the 117 stage 1 with same DBX45s. Ride safe and enjoy. ✌️👊👍

[@111Glenn]

Have the 2020 RG with TAB headers and SE tune (stage 1), but, have Zombie and left side and mid-range baffles on rt side. GREAT sound and lots of torque. No kidding!

[@RidingandWrenching]

@@111Glenn I did the same thing! Sounds great!

[@HDVIBE]

@111Glenn Thanks for watching and adding to the discussion. If you are already a subscriber to the channel...thank you. If you haven't yet subscribed to the channel I'd be honored if you'd consider doing so. Thanks for your support and ride safe. 👍👊✌️

[@morrisdennis]

I did one on my road king m8 and it was imo totally worth it! S&S 475 se tuner...

[@HDVIBE]

Thanks for watching and commenting. Sounds like you have a great set up with the S&S 475. That is a great cam. If you are already a subscriber to the channel...thank you. If you haven't yet subscribed to the channel I'd be honored if you'd consider doing so. Thanks for your support and ride safe. 👊✌️👍

[@henrydhamster1093]

It was about 1800 for me to do a stage 2 to my 2011 Street Glide. Woods 222 cam for the long torque curve, S&S cam plate and oil pump, Timken cam bearings while I was there. S&S lifters, pushrods and gasket kit. Also, since I was doing it myself I had to buy about $150 worth of specialty tools (included in that $1800). Got the bike dyno tuned without needing to buy a tuner, so that was another $950 bucks. $250 of that was getting my ECM licensed to be reprogrammed.

[@HDVIBE]

Thanks for watching and sharing your experience and set up. If you are already a subscriber to the channel...thank you. If you haven't yet subscribed to the channel I'd be honored if you'd consider doing so. Thanks for your support and ride safe. ✌️👊👍

[@HandlebarGarden]

Yes I agree, no point in going any further than stage 2. Unless you go straight to stage 4 from the beginning. I went with torque cam and on the dyno, 100hp 120tq. I was pleased.

[@HDVIBE]

Thanks Handlebar for watching and commenting. Your perspective is right on point. Then Stage 4 is a whole lot of money. If you are already a subscriber...thank you. If you haven't yet subscribed to the channel I'd be honored if you'd consider doing so. Thanks for the support and ride safe. ✌️👍👊

[@jefftatum3562]

What cam did you use to get those numbers and what bike were they installed in thanks

[@HandlebarGarden]

@@jefftatum3562 I used the SE as they say torque cam. And decatted it. We have video on it on our channel Handlebar Garden.

[@HDVIBE]

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[@Silverbulletzx3]

I recently bought a 2021 Street Bob 114 that came with the SE Stage II Torque cam, bassani black ripper exhaust and SE tuner. Only 1800 miles on her. I test rode a stock 2023 Street Bob right after the 2021. The difference was day and night. It had pretty much 95% of the mods on it already that I'd do myself. Basically a bargain! I absolutely love it!

[@HDVIBE]

Yes, the Stage 2 really wakes up the M8 motor. Sounds like you found a great bike...enjoy it. If you are already a subscriber to the channel...thank you. If you haven't yet subscribed to the channel I'd be honored if you'd consider doing so. Thanks for your support and ride safe. ✌️👍👊

[@stevewinston2724]

I subscribed enjoy the video answered a lot of questions

[@HDVIBE]

Thanks for watching, commenting, and subscribing. I look forward to seeing your comments on other and future videos. Thanks for your support and ride safe. ✌️👍👊

[@goatandyourmom9690]

See my bike came with a twin cam Screaming Eagle 110B. The "B" means counterbalanced. So does that make it a stage 3 103 from the factory? I don't know much about the 110 except for that they weren't really put on a whole lot of bikes.

[@HDVIBE]

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[@tax905972]

New oem tappets,the high capacity ones are for big engine upgrades starting with the stage 3and 4

[@HDVIBE]

Thanks for watching and commenting. Ride safe and enjoy. ✌️👍👊

[@marathon8649]

Perhaps you could answer a question of mine. With screaminng eagle stage one air filter and screaming eagle slip ons , would that be good for the rest of the stages?

[@HDVIBE]

Thanks for watching and commenting. The air filter and slip ons will work for the stages. If you use the screamin eagle tuner base maps for the Stage upgrades, the map is actually developed for the screamin eagle breather and slip ons. If you are already a subscriber to the channel...thank you. If you haven't yet subscribed to the channel I'd be honored if you'd consider doing so. Thanks for your support and ride safe. 👊✌️👍

[@marathon8649]

You're awesome, thank you. Subbed!

[@HDVIBE]

@marathonrefrigeration9593 Thank you. I appreciate the support. 👊

[@scottsollars1609]

I have a 2003 Heritage anniversary cerebrated can I put a stage 2 on it or how do I increase the power on it?

[@HDVIBE]

Thanks for watching and commenting. You can do a Stage 2 on the 2003 heritage to increase power and torque. I would suggest talking with your local HD Dealership to get the specifics for your bike. However, first step is a Stage 1, which is a higher flowing breather, non stock slip ons and a tuner. If you don't have that done on the bike, give that a try. You will have to do that anyway before moving to a Stage 2 cam uograde. If you are already a subscriber to the channel...thank you. If you haven't yet subscribed to the channel I'd be honored if you'd consider doing so. Thanks for your support and ride safe. ✌️👍👊

[@richardsharpe8273]

Put HD stage 2 447 cam in and love the results.

[@HDVIBE]

Thanks for watching and commenting with your input on the topic. If you are already a subscriber to the channel...thank you. If you haven't yet subscribed to the channel I'd be honored if you'd consider doing so. Thanks for your support and ride safe. 👊✌️👍

[@anotherbrickinthewall1700]

Thanks for the review. Do you think changes are required to the clutch in any way? Was it recommended?

[@HDVIBE]

Thank you for watching and commenting. With this upgrade there is no clutch adjustment or upgrading needed. If you are already a subscriber thank you. If you haven't yet subscribed to the channel I'd be honored if you'd consider doing so. Thanks for your support and ride safe. 👊✌️👍

[@brucespencer7567]

One more ?what ur suggestion on 117 on stage 2 torque or power

[@HDVIBE]

Hey Bruce...so Harley doesn't not support the SE8 447 CAon the 117...primarily because the stock 432 can will run very close to the 447. So if you stick with screamin eagle, your option is the SE8 462 cam. The other option is go to Stage 3 122 kit then you get the SE8 447 Torque cam. At the end of the day, it depends on how you ride. I'm contemplating both options but haven't yet decided which way I may go. If you look at the Torque curve on the 117 with the SE8 462 cam it's a jump over stock under 3,000 rpms but it is a little flat between 2,500 and 3,000 rpms. However it is still better than the stock 432 cam. You will get good lope sound with the 462 cam...probably even better than the 447 cam on my RGS 114 since it is a higher lift cam. 👊✌️👍

[@velikijoxotnik]

Really good video. I've had my '22 RGS for about 10 months and 25K miles. I just did a Stage 1 and am planning a Stage 2, but wasn't quite sure what to expect, as far as horsepower and torque increase and how it mapped relative to RPM. Your video gave me all of the info that I was looking for. I doubt that I'll go farther than Stage 2, but I definitely plan to do a Stage 2.

[@HDVIBE]

Thanks for watching and commenting. This channel is all about sharing information so the viewers are armed with info to make choices on how to or why to do something. If you have already subscribed to the channel...thank you. If you haven't yet subscribed to the channel I'd be honored if you'd consider doing so. Thanks for your support and ride safe. 👊✌️👍

[@velikijoxotnik]

@@HDVIBE , I''ve been subscribed for quite a while. I enjoy your videos, and find them very informative and useful. Thanks.

[@HDVIBE]

@velikijoxotnik Thank you very much. 👍✌️👊

[@velikijoxotnik]

@@HDVIBE, I stopped by dealership, after a HOG chapter ride today. I'm friends with the head service guy. He confirmed everything that you'd said in your video, but did urge me to do the upgraded tappets with the performance torque cam. I'd pretty much decided to go that route anyway. He also said that they're currently running a special on the Screaming Eagle Stage 2 Torque Cam right now. So, I'll probably do the Stage 2 upgrade more quickly than I'd planned.

[@HDVIBE]

@velikijoxotnik Nice. I think you definitely will be pleased with the Stage 2. 👍✌️👊

[@m.simpson6843]

06' RK V88 is it worth it while changinging the cam tensioners?

[@HDVIBE]

Thanks for watching and commenting. I believe that for that year, the cam tensioner was recalled by HD. If possible, check with the service department at your local HD dealer. If it was replaced by an HD dealer, they should have a record of the replacement in the system. If it hasn't been replaced, it would probably be a good idea to change them out. If you are already a subscriber to the channel...thank you. If you haven't yet subscribed to the channel I'd be honored if you'd consider doing so. Thanks for your support and ride safe. ✌️👊👍

[@brucespencer7567]

I see u did not do a117engine stage 2 I have a 2022 CVO does that have a stage 2 in it already just wondering what comes with it Stock an what size is the cam guess u don’t know the numbers off it?

[@HDVIBE]

Bruce, the 117 engines in the CVO and ST models have a 432 cam stock. If you do a Stage 2 on a 117 with Harley Screamin Eagle, your only choice is the SE8 462 cam. Harley considers this the Power Cam. The torque and horsepower come on stronger just above 3,000 rpms. I hope that answers your question. If you are already a subscriber to the channel...thank you. If you haven't yet subscribed to the channel I'd be honored if you'd consider doing so. Thanks for your support and ride safe. 👊👍✌️

[@2147crew]

Stage 2 is a good kit. Thanks for putting all of this together!

[@HDVIBE]

Thanks for checking it out. It does the trick for me...I'm not a speed monster like you bro. Ride safe and enjoy. ✌️👊👍

[@jasonbreedlove495]

Great video. For me the stage 2 is definitely worth it. I went with a fueling 465 in my 17 SGS and my price was right about what yours was, maybe closer to mid 1800. Love the feel, the power and the sound.

[@HDVIBE]

Thanks Jason for watching and commenting. The Stage 2 certainly wakes up the M8 motor. Thanks for the support and ride safe. ✌️👊👍

[@norbertmaron3635]

Nice awesome video man,I thinking about buying a 2023 HD TRIGLIDE ULTRA w/114..iam thinking about a STAGE 1 & 2 ..is this a good cam to buy for trike..I want to stick with screaming eagle parts to because I want to buy a extended warranty with no bullshit obstacles when I need warrant work..also I had a 2014 triglide ultra w/103..I had STAGE 1,2,3 done back then..also what year bike did you put your stage 2 on... .... thanks Storman Norman..

[@HDVIBE]

Thanks for watching and commenting. I have been very happy with the SE8 447 cam. Gives you much better low end torque than stock and it sounds really good at idle giving just the right amount of lope. I'd definitely recommend it especially if you are wanting to stay in warranty. If you are already a subscriber to the channel...thank you. If you haven't yet subscribed to the channel I'd be honored if you'd consider doing so. Thanks for your support and ride safe. 👊✌️👍

[@ICEMAN-HDnorth]

I have a 2019 SG CVO with a stock 117, looking to update the oil pump to the current HD 2020+ stock model and thinking about Stage II performance kit since the cam chest is open with an SE Pro Tuner. Thoughts on this? Bike has about 15,000 miles on it now. No issues to date other than transmission vent update is complete.

[@fililoboesparza5784]

Great 411video thanks for making the time to do this video. You don’t see too many guys putting screaming eagle. I’ve been considering putting the stage ll screaming on mine 107 M8 think I’m going to pull the trigger..

[@HDVIBE]

Thanks for watching and commenting. For me being the bike is under warranty, screamin eagle was the way to go. I've talked with others that have put the SE8 447 cam in their 107...and they are very pleased with the results. If you are already a subscriber...thank you. If you haven't yet subscribed to the channel I'd be honored if you'd consider doing so. Thanks for your support and ride safe. 👊✌️👍

[@fililoboesparza5784]

@@HDVIBE yes, I subscribed this morning. My 2018 ultra limited 107 Is out of warranty, but don’t want to go aftermarket, I already have it with a SE stage I rather go with H-D i’m not a hard rider anyways i’m just a cruiser.. but riding two up, could use a little more torque..

[@HDVIBE]

That will do it. Thanks fir your support. Much appreciated. 👊✌️👍

[@jrharper5459]

I have a 2023 Road Glide Special, thinking about doing the cam swap.

[@HDVIBE]

Thanks JR for watching and commenting. If you do decide to do it, I don't think you will be disappointed. I smile everything I hit the throttle. Thanks for your support and ride safe. ✌️👍👊

[@ArmeroPR]

I also did the 447 SE cam and love it. Ended up doing the Stage 2 for real cheap as I got Ebay new old stock parts that were dirt cheap. Went with factory pushrods as I'm not a fan of adjustables. Since I did all the work, it didn't affect the price other than gaskets besides it not being hard work at all. While I was in there also did the cam bearing, crank sprocket drom Feuling and S&S cuffs just for pleasing my OCD.

[@HDVIBE]

That sounds awesome Greg. So far I am super pleased with the 447 cam. If you are already a subscriber...thank you. If you haven't yet subscribed I'd be honored if you'd consider doing so. Thanks for the support and ride safe. ✌️👊👍

[@STAYHUMBLE302]

Do you think it’s worth doing the SE eagle torque cam on my fxbb 107 if my warranty is already up or should I just go with after market Tuner and cam like a woods Right. Now I have stage one with Arlen ness bs and tbr 2-1 with the SE tuner Any advice would be great

[@HDVIBE]

Thanks for watching and commenting. If warranty is not a concern, I would go aftermarket and get a great tune. The SE tuner can only do so much as it has to keep the bike within EPA specs. Aftermarket opens up a whole new level so to speak if peak torque and horse power is what you are chasing. If you are already a subscriber to the channel...thank you. If you haven't yet subscribed to the channel I'd be honored if you'd consider doing so. Thanks for your support and ride safe. 👊✌️👍

[@RidersUnited]

Great informational video. I will say Stage 2 is the best buck for the money in gain of usable power so I agree 100%

[@HDVIBE]

Thanks Art for watching and commenting. I am very happy with the upgrade for sure. Ride safe and enjoy. ✌️👍👊

[@johncollins1325]

14:15 to get to the point.

[@HDVIBE]

Thanks John for watching and joining the over 42,000 others that have viewed and gotten value from this video. If you are already a subscriber to the channel...thank you. If you haven't yet subscribed to the channel I'd be honored if you'd consider doing so. Thanks for your support and ride safe. 👊✌️👍

[@director2bob]

I am buying a new Low Rider ST which has the massive 117 engine. I am thinking just a stage 1 with new pipes would be more than enough power & torque for this lighter weight bike than the bigger baggers. Thanks for the great informative video. Safe travels my friend🙏

[@HDVIBE]

Thanks for watching and commenting. Enjoy that new bike. If you are already a subscriber to the channel...thank you. If you haven't yet subscribed to the channel I'd be honored if you'd consider doing so. Thanks for your support and ride safe. 👊✌️👍

[@fldad32USA]

I just ordered a Stage 2 for my 21 SG 107. The only thing not HD is the new head pipe and slip-on mufflers. I went with TABS Headpipe and Cobra slip-ons. My bike has done awesome as stock, but this should really wake it up and help going cross country rides.

[@HDVIBE]

Thanks for watching and commenting. I am sure you will be pleased once the Stage 2 is installed. If you are already a subscriber to the channel...thank you. If you haven't yet subscribed to the channel I'd be honored if you'd consider doing so. Thanks for your support and ride safe. ✌️👊👍

[@adamsgrizzly01]

Well my 2022 cvo road glide is definitely sluggish when trying to pass always down shifting nice to know the fuel mileage doesn’t go downhill with a better passing aspect looking forward to getting this done to our Harley thanks for your advice and knowledge

[@HDVIBE]

Thanks Adam for watching and commenting. For the 117 motor you will have to go to the SE8 462 power cam for a Stage 2. The SE8 447 cam I used on the 114 is not recommended for the 117 as the 432 cam in the 117 is very close to the SE8 447 cam in terms of lift and torque. I recently did a Stage 1 upgrade on my 2023 Street Glide ST with the Screamin Eagle pro street tuner...I noted a nice improvement in throttle response. My advice is talk with the service advisor and or the master tech at your dealership. They can point you in the right direction. If you are already a subscriber thank you. If you haven't yet subscribed to the channel I'd be honored if you'd consider doing so. Thanks for your support and ride safe. 👊✌️👍

[@trophyhilll]

Have you tried the SE 511 cam on anything?

[@HDVIBE]

Thanks for watching and commenting. I have not tried or know of anyone that has used the 511 cam. If you are already a subscriber to the channel...thank you. If you haven't yet subscribed to the channel I'd be honored if you'd consider doing so. Thanks for your support and ride safe. 👊✌️👍

[@Jermz1979]

For me it definitely was. I did the work myself, so saved quite a bit there. I went with a Wood 22xe cam on my 2018 107 Street Bob. Massive difference in stock HP vs after upgrade. I'm pulling 111/119 on the dyno with my 22xe, upgraded oil pump, Sawicki Mid Length 2-1, FuelMoto AC/DC with +1 high flow filter and 64mm TB and injectors. I have a 124 on another 2018 Street Bob with a very similar setup running 135/145. My biggest issue is the 6 hours of labor they are charging. It's a 3 hour job, especially since they aren't really tuning the bike, but just throwing a canned tune from the SE tuner on it.

[@HDVIBE]

Thanks for watching and commenting. That is awesome that you are able to do the Stage 2 upgrade yourself. If you have the proper tools, it's not too difficult...but as they say..the proper tools make the difference. If you are already a subscriber to the channel...thank you. If you haven't yet subscribed to the channel I'd be honored if you'd consider doing so. Thanks for your support and ride safe. 👍👊✌️

[@dalmaciomorales2798]

Just subscribed. I have a 2020 RGL and I'm looking into the stage 2 and you have me convenced to do it until you said the it runs much hotter. I'm not sure that I'm looking forward for the engine to run hotter since by nature the M8 engine runs pretty hot. Also how is the fuel consumption now with the stage 2. I heard from another blogger that after the stage his bike was giving him a better mileage. I appreciate if you answer my comment,

[@HDVIBE]

Thanks for subscribing. I think my reference to running hotter was not temperature but faster/quicker. I haven't noticed any increase in temperature even now that I'm getting into hot weather riding. I hope that clarifies my choice of words. Thanks for your support and ride safe. ✌️👊👍

[@HDVIBE]

As far as mileage goes, I typically get 38 to 39 mpg. However, last week I check it on that particular fill up and I got 41 mpg. It really depends on your riding style. I tend to run in the 3000 to 3800 rpm range.

[@bradwilliams4921]

Good, clear information. Thank you. Ride safe.

[@HDVIBE]

Thanks Brad for watching and commenting. I appreciate your support. Ride safe and enjoy.✌️👊👍

[@jayjackson5964]

thank you for the info and example with the graph. getting a stage 2 for my 2017 RG Ultra.

[@HDVIBE]

Thank you Jay for watching and commenting. If you are already a subscriber to the channel...thank you. If you haven't yet subscribed to the channel I'd be honored if you'd consider doing so. Thanks for your support and ride safe. 👊✌️👍

[@williame4175]

What about a tuner Or dyno required for this upgrade? That's atleast another 500 to 1000$ easily

[@HDVIBE]

Thanks for watching and commenting. If you have already completed a Stage 1...you should already have a tuner....I believe I stated that at the beginning of the video. The HD tuner depending on which version is $369 for the non Bluetooth version or $450 for the Bluetooth version. Since I went HD screamin eagle parts as noted, no dyno tuning is necessary. Just upload the Stage 2 map from the tuner then refine with smart tuning if necessary. If you are already a subscriber to the channel...thank you. If you haven't yet subscribed to the channel I'd be honored if you'd consider doing so. Thanks for your support and ride safe. ✌️👊👍

[@954Lacko]

Going from stage to stage 2 will effect the fuel economy? I have a 2018 road king, using it mostly for long distance rides. Also, it has 40k miles in it. Is it a god idea to upgrade now to stage 2?

[@HDVIBE]

Thanks for watching and commenting Lachi. On the first question, I have seen little change in full economy. I get around 38 to 39 MPG and I ride fairly aggressively running the the 3,000 to 4,000 rpm range. I get the same MPG on my 117 CVO and ST with Stage 1 upgrades. I think you can do the upgrade at any mileage as long as the bike has been properly maintained. It's always best to talk to a Harley tech or service advisor to discuss what you would like to get out of the bike. I will say after doing the Stage 2 upgrade, I smile every time I crack the throttle. If you are already a subscriber thank you. If you haven't yet subscribed to the channel I'd be honored if you'd consider doing so. Thanks for your support and ride safe. ✌️👊👍

[@954Lacko]

Thank you!!!!

[@HDVIBE]

You are welcome. 👊

[@davidl6757]

Excellent. I’m thinking of the upgrade!!!

[@HDVIBE]

Thanks David for watching and commenting. If you are already a subscriber to the channel...thank you. If you haven't yet subscribed to the channel I'd be honored if you'd consider doing so. Thanks for your support and ride safe. 👊✌️👍

[@rayspasov1398]

Any info specs on streetbob 114 ,stage 1 or stage 3 ECT?

[@HDVIBE]

Thanks Ray for watching and commenting. Unfortunately I don't have the specs handy for the Softail line. However, I do believe you can find it on the HD website or in the HD parts and accessories catalog in the screamin eagle section. If you are already a subscriber to the channel...thank you. If you haven't yet subscribed to the channel I'd be honored if you'd consider doing so. Thanks for your support and ride safe. 👊✌️👍

[@AxeAlchemy]

21 RG, I did Rhinehart racing header and slip ons, Arlen ness breather, Dynojet Tuner with tune from dynojet. S&S 465c cam. She is a beast. Screw screaming eagle tuners.

[@HDVIBE]

👊✌️👍

[@michiganborn8303]

Can I bypass stage 1 all together and go straight from stock to stage 2 without any issues?

[@HDVIBE]

Thanks for watching and commenting. You can go straight to a Stage 2, but, you will need a set of freer flowing slip ons and possibly a new breather set up. So essentially, you would do stage 1 and 2 at the same time. If you are already a subscriber to the channel...thank you. If you haven't yet subscribed to the channel I'd be honored if you'd consider doing so. Thanks for your support and ride safe. 👍✌️👊

[@michiganborn8303]

@HDVIBE I already bought some 4" Rinehart from Revzilla but so disappointed by their performance, it's almost embarrassing. Thinking of going with a Krome Werks 2 into 1 with left side ghost pipe, a 447 or better torque cam, Arlen Ness Big Sucker intake with maybe S&S Mk-45 slip-ons.

[@HDVIBE]

@michiganborn8303 I see. I have Rinehart DBX 45S and Tab 4.5 BAM with Zombie baffle...wow they rumble. Some people say Kromewerks are a bit quiet as well. I do have a video comparing sound of the Rinehart and Tabs on my 114 Stage 2 RGS. I also rin the de catted Tab 2-1-2 headpipe on the Stage 2...it's loud. 👍✌️👊

[@michiganborn8303]

@HDVIBE You like the Tabs better than Rinehart?

[@HDVIBE]

@michiganborn8303 For around town, I run the Tabs. When I'm on a road trip, I put the Rineharts on. The Tabs with Zombie baffle are too loud for hours on the road. But around town, they are awesome.

[@erniekopasz5760]

When I got my 2019 FLTRU I had a tough decision to make between the 447 and the 462 cams. HD calls the 462 cam a "Power" cam but in reality it is really more of a mid-range cam. The 498 cam would be the "Power" cam. The chart HD shows for the differences in the torque (447) and the power (462) really isn't very accurate when it comes to the 462 cam. I ended up putting the 462 in my 2019 FLTRU because for the touring and riding I do and that cam works better for me. I had well over 50k miles on it without an issue. I like it so much I put it in my 2023 FLTRK.

[@HDVIBE]

Thanks Ernie for watching and sharing that information. If you are already a subscriber to the channel...thank you. If you haven't yet subscribed to the channel I'd be honored if you'd consider doing so. Thanks for your support and ride safe. 👊✌️👍

[@lonniedugan6120]

Is it worth doing a stage two kit on a 96 twin cam

[@HDVIBE]

Thanks for watching and commenting. If you are looking for an increase in performance its definitely worth looking into with your local dealership or independent shop. Since I don't have a 96 twin cam, I can't offer any specifics. If you are already a subscriber to the channel...thank you. If you haven't yet subscribed I'd be honored if you'd consider doing so. Thanks for your support and ride safe. 👊✌️👍

[@Darrells..]

I think it’s going to be my winter time project,stage 2 in old and hopefully new bike,thanks for the advice👍👍

[@HDVIBE]

Thanks Darrell for watching and commenting. I appreciate your continued support to the channel. Ride safe and enjoy. ✌️👍👊

[@patrickhollis5332]

I thought the stock was like 350 intake and 370 exhaust are around that

[@rlull2001]

Won't you need a dyno tune after? That will add to the total cost.

[@HDVIBE]

Thanks for watching and commenting. You can get a Dyno Tune but in my case I loaded a Screamin Eagle Stage 2 map into the ECM to preserve warranty. If your bike is under warranty, any other non EPA tune will be flagged by HD once a dealer hooks the bike up to the digital technician. The video assumes as I believe I stated that you have already done a Stage 1 and have the screamin eagle pro street tuner. If not, the latest Bluetooth version is right at $450 which can provide maps up to a Stage 4. If you are already a subscriber thank you. If you haven't yet subscribed to the channel I'd be honored if you'd consider doing so. Thanks for the support and ride safe. ✌️👊👍

[@rlull2001]

@@HDVIBE That makes sense. Thanks for clarifying.

[@HDVIBE]

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[@lipsio]

Would you upgrade your ST to Stg. 2? I own one, and am thinking about it. Rumor has it the STs have a "close to stage 2" cam from factory. Would love to hear your thoughts. Keep up the great work!

[@HDVIBE]

I have thought about going to Stage 2 on the ST. Harley doesn't spec the SE8 447 torque cam for the 117 ST or CVO motor because as you mentioned the lift from the stock 432 cam is not much different than the 447 cam. If you go stage 2, and stay screamin eagle, you have to go to the power cam which is the SE8 462 cam. This cam likes to run in the higher RPMs to get max horse power. I've been personally contemplating the SE8 462 cam or going to stage 3 or 4. The Stage 3 kit uses the 447 cam but since you go to 122 cubic inch you get a very nice bump in torque and horse power. Thanks for watching and for the question. If you are already a subscriber...thank you. If you haven't yet subscribed to the channel I'd be honored if you'd consider doing so. Thanks for your support and ride safe. 👍👊✌️

[@CarlosRamos-dj5vw]

I’m actually doing my Roadglide st tomorrow and will let you guys know. I’m going with the torque cam.

[@HDVIBE]

@CarlosRamos-dj5vw Thanks Carlos for watching and commenting. Enjoy that Stage 2 when you getbit back. If you are already a subscriber to the channel...thank you. If you haven't yet subscribed to the channel I'd be honored if you'd consider doing so. Thanks for your support and ride safe. ✌️👊👍

[@derfskittlers6125]

How do these mods affect longevity? Im used to doing a simple air and exhaust upgrade byt havent done anything more.

[@HDVIBE]

I can't say with 100% certainty the impact long term as this is the first bike I have had a Stage 2 put on. It's really not very extensive of an upgrade overall. A bolt in cam is a pretty common upgrade on many Harleys. In my case I have the Extented Service Plan so I'm safe for at least 3 more years. Thanks for watching and commenting. Ride safe and enjoy. ✌️👊👍

[@derfskittlers6125]

@@HDVIBE ok, thanks for your honesty.

[@HDVIBE]

You are welcome. If you are already a subscriber...thank you. If you haven't yet subscribed I'd be honored if you'd consider doing so. Thanks and ride safe. 👊👍✌️

[@joshwagner8954]

I just did a stage 2 torque cam upgrade on my 2019 RGS using all Screaming Eagle parts. While there is a noticable gain in acceleration it is NOT a big enough upgrade to justify the $1800 cost.

[@HDVIBE]

Thanks Josh for watching and sharing your perspective. If you are already a subscriber...thank you. If you haven't yet subscribed to the channel I'd be honored if you'd consider doing so. Thanks for the support and ride safe. ✌️👍👊

[@trex860]

Thanks for sharing. I have 23,000 miles on my 2021 Road Glide Special and the lifter ticking on cold startup seems to be getting louder and longer, so I’m going to do a complete cam chest upgrade and while I’m in there do a torque cam as well.

[@HDVIBE]

@trex860 you won't regret it. Thanks for watching and commenting. If you are already a subscriber to the channel...thank you. If you haven't yet subscribed to the channel I'd be honored if you'd consider doing so. Ride safe and enjoy. 👊✌️👍

[@stevebohme7939]

@@trex860i am experiencing this on my 2018 with 35k miles. Figured do it all at once when I do the lifters.

[@HDVIBE]

Thanks for watching and commenting. If you are already a subscriber to the channel...thank you. If you haven't yet subscribed to the channel I'd be honored if you'd consider doing so. Thanks for your support and ride safe. ✌️👊👍

[@Jack-b5o6r]

One could also say if you’re going to spend the money on a cam go aftermarket v SE you’ll make more HP but say goodbye warranty So if you’re like me and want a Warranty go with SE

[@HDVIBE]

Very true. 👍

[@jasperduncan6633]

I cannot see any real difference (ie so that you’d notice) between installing a Stage II Torque Cam or a Stage II Power Cam on a 107. Where with a 114 the difference is most noticeable. Can someone help me out there?

[@HDVIBE]

Thanks Jasper for watching and commenting. While I can not give real world riding experience as a comparison between the torque and power cam I can pass along what a Harley Master Technician told me on Friday. He would not recommend the power cam unless you are constantly running in the 3500 to 5000 rpm range. He also told me that often when people do get it installed they come back and want it taken out and have the torque cam put in. I was considering putting the power cam in my Street Glide ST and he talked me out of it as he said I would feel a torque loss on the Low end of the rpm range. I would also suggest looking at Feulings Website as they have Dyno charts on the M8 engines with both the torque and power cams for comparison purposes. If you are already a subscriber thank you. If you haven't yet subscribed I'd be honored if you'd consider doing so. Thanks for the support and ride safe. 👍✌️👊

[@jasperduncan6633]

@@HDVIBE I am a new subscriber as I really enjoyed this video. I am really looking forward to subsequent videos and looking back at your library. I was very impressed with your no-nonsense professional presentation and learnt a lot, many thanks once again and I’ll take a look at that link.

[@HDVIBE]

Thank you Jasper. I really appreciate the kind words and support. 👍

[@ocglide2566]

A stage 2 upgrade on an M8 wakes the bike up, I used a Red Shift 468 cam on my bike and love it. I bought all S&S for the rest of it Cam plate and oil pump, lifters and push rod kit. Cost me around $1200 in parts but luckily enough I can do the swap myself which saved labor. No Dyno numbers I could care less about that you can feel it in the butt dyno. Bought it all from Fuel Moto, already had the Power Vision Tuner obviously not an option for someone worried about warranty.

[@HDVIBE]

Thanks for watching and commenting. If you are already a subscriber thank you. If you haven't yet subscribed to the channel I'd be honored if you'd consider doing so. Thanks for the support and ride safe. ✌️👍👊

[@corynelson2021]

Subscribed...for some time now...great content, stage 2 is a thought for my 21 flhxs

[@HDVIBE]

Thank you Cory. I appreciate the support. Ride safe and enjoy. ✌️👍👊

[@CD-lm5xq]

I just subscribed. Great Video!! 👍👍👍

[@HDVIBE]

Thanks for watching, commenting, and subscribing. I look forward to seeing your comments on other and future videos. Thanks for your support and ride safe. 👍✌️👊

[@KrakensGarageandAdventures]

Good to hear that you feel it was a great investment. There is nothing worse than spending the money and feeling let down.

[@HDVIBE]

Thank you for your time today Eric. I appreciate your support. ✌️👍👊

[@FreedomRider1982]

Thanks for " the mention" on your previous video 👍

[@HDVIBE]

You are welcome 👊

[@FreedomRider1982]

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[@CAngel-gq8cm]

Great Video, Just subscribed. I recently purchased a new 2023 107 Street Glide and had the dealer do the SE Stage 2 torque kit day one before taking delivery! Included was the heavy breather, Bassani head pipe and Rinehart DBX45 exhaust. I'm approaching my first 1K miles and I still have a smile from ear to ear from the sound & performance of this upgrade. The bike pulls hard and jumps up to highway+ speed very nice fully loaded with 400+ lbs of people and gear.

[@HDVIBE]

Thanks for watching, commenting, and subscribing. It's a great upgrade and like you I'm always smiling when I'm on the bike. Thanks for your support and ride safe. ✌️👊👍

[@joepina1264]

I subscribed getting ready to do a stage two on my ST

[@HDVIBE]

Thanks Joe for watching and commenting and subscribing. What cam are you going to use? I appreciate your support. Ride safe and enjoy. 👍✌️👊

[@joepina1264]

Screaming eagle Torch kit

[@joepina1264]

Torque kit

[@HDVIBE]

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[@richardrussell500]

The aftermarket tuners cause problems with the HD 2 year warranty... No doubt that an aftermarket tuner and a good dyno tune will make the engine run better with a better A/F ratio. The Screaming Eagle tuner is still limited by EPA standards. For me, the cost is not worth it. I am happy with my stock 107. It gets me down the road just fine :-)

[@HDVIBE]

Thanks Richard for watching and for your on point comment. I appreciate the support to the channel. Ride safe and enjoy. ✌️👊👍

[@richardrussell500]

@@HDVIBE the other issue that must be considered is crank pinion runout when installing the aftermarket oil pump and backing plate... the runout has to be somewhere between zero and 5 thousandths. if it is greater than that, your oil pump will most likely be damaged, which in turn has the potential for destroying your engine. and, if you are a rider relying on a HD warranty, you can most likely kiss that approved warranty goodbye. my friend had a stage 2 installed on his 2017 107 Road Glide. S&S backing plate and S&S oil pump. engine sumped and destroyed itself at 45,000 miles. he had a HD extended warranty. HD denied his claim because they blamed the oil pump. he took his bike to a buddy who used to work for HD as a well-qualified technician. he found the runout to be excessive. well above 5 thousands. regardless, HD would not approve his claim. something to consider.

[@HDVIBE]

Great points. Your scenario is another reason I went all Harley parts on my Stage 2...Thanks for your support. Ride safe and enjoy. ✌️👊👍

[@easyglider1307]

All due respect. The SE cam sucks compared to just about any aftermarket cam. Just did a Wood WM8-22XE cam and my 21 RG 107 runs like a beast. Got the kit from fuel moto with pushrods, new Wood's lifters, cam bearing, new feuling pinion timing gear and all gaskets for $789. Did the work myself.

[@HDVIBE]

You can certainly get more performance from other cams, tunes and configuration. However for my case, SE was the way to go to keep warranty protected. That is awesome you could do it yourself...Great way to save some $$$$. I looked at doing it myself, however by the time I purchased a cam bearing / set tool, the lock tool for tightening and other items at least for me, the minimal overall savings wasn't great enough and a master technician did the work so if any issues, I'm coveted. Conservative approach but best in my case. Thanks for your support and ride safe. ✌️👊👍

[@easyglider1307]

@@HDVIBE Luckily I had a buddy lend me the bearing tool and the locking tool was $12 on Amazon. A local shop wanted close to $700 just labor. I watched KZbin videos about 100 times till I felt comfortable and now have the satisfaction of knowing it was done 100% correct by me :)

[@carlbruhn1772]

You are on the money. SE cams are EPA certified they are simply junk.

[@carlbruhn1772]

​@@HDVIBE When your warranty expires, wake that bike up.

[@HDVIBE]

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[@tax905972]

You only need the oil pump, if you haven't changed the old sumping pump.

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[@OMGMOTO]

Great info on the stage 2 brother.

[@HDVIBE]

Thanks brother for watching and commenting. I appreciate your support. Ride safe and enjoy. ✌️👊👍

[@danielgarcia9254]

did anyone get the tuner with this?

[@HDVIBE]

Thanks for watching and commenting. I am using the screamin eagle pro street tuner with thie Stage 2. If you are already a subscriber to the channel...thank you. If you haven't yet subscribed to the channel I'd be honored if you'd consider doing so. Thanks for your support and ride safe. 👊✌️👍

[@JRBACZYK]

Very informative, I have been considering stage 2 upgrade 🇺🇸👍👍👍

[@HDVIBE]

Thanks John for watching and commenting. I have been extremely pleased with the Stage 2. Thanks your support and ride safe. ✌️👍👊

[@freebehindbars8654]

Going SE left a lot of performance on the table, especially for the money spent. I’d wait until the warranty is up, if that’s the reason for going SE.

[@HDVIBE]

Thanks for watching and commenting. Warranty was definitely a factor in going screamin eagle for the Stsge 2. If you are already a subscriber to the channel...thank you. If you haven't yet subscribed to the channel I'd be honored if you'd consider doing so. Thanks for your support and ride safe. ✌️👍👊

[@Jack-b5o6r]

A stage 2 used to be the standard on baggers

[@HDVIBE]

Thanks for watching and commenting DV. I appreciate the support. Still trying to decide which way to go on the Street Glide ST. Ride safe and enjoy. ✌️👊👍

[@bderryberry4987]

I did a Stage ll (HD Torque cam) upgrade on my 107 M8. I wouldn't spend the $$$$ again as it wasn't really worth it. I couldn't justify the cost in doing it again PLUS the cost of the Stage l. The performance was minimal. If you do it- do a non HD brand cam.

[@HDVIBE]

Thanks for watching and for your perspective. I appreciate your support. If you are already a subscriber...thank you. If you haven't yet subscribed to the channel I'd be honored if you'd consider doing so. Ride safe and enjoy. ✌️👍👊

[@carlbruhn1772]

That cam is EPA certified. Very minimal.

[@jaybird9255]

I recently completed a stage 1 on my 2023 RG (107). Was really looking into stopping at a stage 2, but glad I saw your comment. Still under warranty so stub with SE Cams until much later. Think I will wait until I can move to a different cam. Thanks!

[@HDVIBE]

@jaybird9255 Thanks for watching and commenting. If you indeed want to stay in warranty but want non HD cam etc...it's probably best to hold off. If you are already a subscriber to the channel...thank you. If you haven't yet subscribed to the channel I'd be honored if you'd consider doing so. Thanks for your support and ride safe. ✌️👍👊

[@KoreyBass]

I subscribed, about to buy a new bike in a couple months.

[@HDVIBE]

Thanks Korey for watching and subscribing to the channel. I look forward to seeing your comments on other and future videos. Thanks for your support and ride safe when you get that new bike. 👊✌️👍

[@fourftr]

I think for a heavy touring bike stage 1 is worth the money for the difference between stage 1 or 2 I’d rather spend that money on a kick ass sound system

[@HDVIBE]

Thanks for watching and commenting. That is certainly another way to go. If you are already a subscriber to the channel...thank you. If you haven't yet subscribed to the channel I'd be honored if you'd consider doing so. Thanks for your support and ride safe. 👍✌️👊

[@kevinkinney5445]

Of course its worth it if you want to make your M8 breath, sound and perform 20% stronger in HP and Torque without ruining your gas mileage and burning oil? Always ad air intake, throaty headers, a, breather kit, air deflectors and a J's air cooler fan. Better yet, blueprint a Kevin Baxter Bulletproof skunkworks treatment which includes clutch & tranny upgrade, suspension shock & fork cartridges upgrade, bars, seat, forward foot controls & boards, LED lighting, tool kit, bar bag and V rated touring tires, crash bars, train horn, tour pak & bags, Alarm, disc brake locks and a complete one person moto camping, cooking, sleeping equipment, 1st aide kit, as well as a personal defense weapon like a 9mm pistol & a Henry 410 axe

[@HDVIBE]

Thanks Kevin for watching and for the very thorough comment. Now that would be a built out Harley. Ride safe and enjoy. ✌️👊👍

[@mikedehart9708]

Great Video

[@HDVIBE]

Thanks Mike for watching and commenting. If you are already a subscriber to the channel...thank you. If you haven't yet subscribed to the channel I'd be honored if you'd consider doing so. Thanks for your support and ride safe. 👊✌️👍

[@zacharydunn5847]

The numbers are off my brother and I both have same bike and same set up except I put a power cam in where his is torque cam. From 0-60ish his pulls strong and then you can feel it drop off. Where mine pulls from 45ish to top out speed and I can pull away from him very slowly at a faster speed. That being said from take off he has me and from a roll I got him. So the numbers are discouraging so don’t look at that ask friends and other riders. Each other rider has a different riding style so ask your self where do you like to ride and where do you want the power to come on strong at.

[@HDVIBE]

Thanks, Zach, for watching and commenting. Your comment about where you like to ride is exactly the process that should follow when picking a cam. If you are already a subscriber to the channel...thank you. If you haven't yet subscribed to the channel I'd be honored if you'd consider doing so. Thanks for your support and ride safe. ✌️👍👊

[@marcot-mrk7178]

Great video.

[@HDVIBE]

Thank you for watching and commenting Marco. I appreciate the kind words. If you are already a subscriber...thank you. If you haven't yet subscribed to the channel I'd be honored if you'd consider doing so. Thanks for the support and ride safe. ✌️👊👍

[@goatandyourmom9690]

With slip ons and a tuner on my screaming eagle 110 I smoke my brother's 114 with slip ons and a tuner.

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