Is a vegan diet better for your health? - CrowdScience podcast, BBC World Service

[@HappyComfort]

Years ago before people were talking so much about being vegan or vegetarian I was on the plane to New Jersey and the older lady next to me happened to mention that her son went to I believe it was Africa to do missionary work. He was at such a remote location that he had to eat what they ate, which was completely plant-based after being there for quite a few years, he came home to visit. She said all his friends had an American food party for him with things like pizza and red meat, she said it almost killed him and he ended up in the hospital for a while. also one of my own experiences was that for one month I tried going strict, vegan not eating what the vegan doctors call vegan junk food like fake meat or desserts, but being pretty strict. Eating greens and lentils etc. I did this because my doctor wanted my cholesterol reduced , well. ..After one month my cholesterol went down 79 points, so that tells you something also from being close to vegan for some months, I lost 100 pounds. Just saying….

[@ritikahmedazad4442]

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[@riverv2069]

Thanks so much for sharing! Love your story. That means, there is a hope for me❤

[@QuirkyQuests23]

American Party had only Red meat and Pizza? no candies no bread no pastries no alcohol ? Our ancestors they left sculptures in caves chasing animals, not salad or lettuce. in health-wise, you cannot escape from deficiences after the detox.

[@elkpaz560]

What is wrong with cholesterol. Its valuable to our bodies' functions.

[@jjj-yo4up]

@@elkpaz560there are actually two main types of cholesterol, LDL and HDL, the first one is also called “bad” cholesterol which usually comes from animal products and can clog your blood vessels and the second one is “good” cholesterol which is important for your health but I might be wrong about certain facts so I recommend you do your own research :)

[@Iraboven]

I was very excited to find this episode! Thank you for bringing up the topic. Yet am I surprised how you kept focus on the idea that giving up animal based food is difficult. To me that sounds like a talk of a privileged and addicted folks. Regretfully, you mildly touched the topic of animal cruelty and the harm to the environment by overproduction (for profits and revenues, not human health reasons). We need more people to move towards the plant based diet. However, in this episode I’d hear many excuses not to make change. As a family we became vegan 5 years ago when we were 53,48, 20 and 21 for environmental reasons. I wish we knew more about it earlier. I witnessed my boys becoming lean, strong, with healthy smooth skin. The same changes applies to my husband and myself. Start cooking your own meals and you will thrive as a good (vegan) person!

[@oddvegan9797]

Hi, that's plant based, not vegan, veganism is for the animals.

[@clementmariostlouis6686]

I have been listening BBC for more than 20 years on short wave radio ; crowdScience and Jolly good show of John Trevis were among my favourites Now , it is a pleasure to have you on the web ; perhaps some image/ video of you all will put things rights . A lot of thanks.

[@BBCWorldService]

And if you like the programme above, you might be interested in this from our friends at BBC Future - how could a vegan diet impact your intelligence? www.bbc.com/future/article/20200127-how-a-vegan-diet-could-affect-your-intelligence

[@karrg4992]

I appreciate this podcast. It's pleasure to hear such an interesting topics. Greetings from Poland!

[@awizenwoman]

VEGANISM is ONLY about ETHICS and NOT about health or environmental reasons. I am ethically vegan, but the health and environmental reasons are only supplementary not primary. I am not just plant based but ethically vegan. So many interviewers get their facts wrong. A plant based diet is only healthy if it is a wholefood plant based diet, eradicating the unhealthy aspects of being plant based.

[@paulagil1323]

I've been a vegetarian for 40 years now. I'm 52. I don't think health issues are the most important point about choosing this kind of diet but rather the treatment of animals. Nevertheless, health is also a concern, not the most important probably, but the second one. So, for me, it's essential not to eat too many ultra-processed foods and to watch for the ingredients. If the food has more chemical products than real food, I don't eat it.

[@oddvegan9797]

Hi, Did you know that vegeterianism is just as cruel as carnism? As a vegeterian, you actually pay for the meat industry too, and for horrific animal cruelty. As a vegetarian, you pay for mother cows to be r ped. Their babies are then taken away from them. This leaves the mommy heartbroken and scared. Sometimes, she cries for days or weeks, sometimes she looses her voice from crying out for her baby. Sometimes, a mommy tries to hide her baby to prevent her baby from being kidnapped because she knows the farmer will try do that, but the farmer kidnaps HER baby anyway. The farmer r pes her, and kidnaps her babies because a cow only produces milk, like humans, if she is a mother. So they make her a mother, then take her baby away from her because people like you want to steal her milk. (And if a cow mom stays with her baby her baby will drink some of her milk) She is then used as a milk slave for the next 4-6 years. Being continually r ped and having her baby kidnapped from her every year, so she keeps producing milk, she is made to produce around 10x more milk than she naturally wpuld. Which is painful, frequently leads to infections, extremely uncomfortable. What I described is the bare minimum that happens. They are often in places with centimetres of waste at their feet, and their noses are extremely sensitive. Their baby boys get murdered for veal. So you contribute to the veal industry. It is waited till their baby girls are old enough to be r ped and enslaved, just like their mothers. A lot of the time, they are made to wait in isolation hutches. After 4-6 years, (when her natural lifespan is about 20 years), the mommy cows at3 murdered in the same slaughterhouses cows born mainly for meat are murdered in, and they is sold for cheap meat. For eggs, well I'm sure you can think of the horrors of eggs from caged chickens. In a cage smaller than the oven they might be cooked in, being cannibalised by another chicken in the cage or pecking at themselves, loss of feathers, infections, abcesses, being in a cage with a rotting partner... (eggs from caged chickens are still common, by thw way.) So you probably buy eggs labeled as "free range" eggs. By the way, organic means NOTHING to the treatment of animals. They are prematurely murdered, anyway. So free range chickens are usually in a huge barn, with baerly any space to walk around in. With the air so filthy with amonia it burns their lungs, the ground so thick and filthy with waste, with dead chickens laying around. It is chaos, there is no pecking order, chickens end up hurting themselves amd cannibalising other chickens, they get mutilated, they are made to produce an egg almost every day, until they are prematurely murdered in the same slaughterhouses chickens who are born for the purpose of meat are murdered in, and they are sold for cheap meat. Imagine having a period almost every day. Horrifying. The male chicks, who are useless to the egg industry, get blended alive at birth. If animal cruelty bothers you, would you be willing to go vegan 💚🌱? If you don't, you will continue to pay for absolutely horrific animal cruelty.

[@kietpham4635]

I like how he summarizes the points after listening to the experts

[@roserosa8276]

My wondering is about what chemicals are added to preserve meats for traveling after the processing animals to other cities, states, countries or continents.

[@LaurenForster]

I don't buy foreign meat.😂

[@northerncoloradotransparen1454]

Peace for all of humanity begins on our dinner plate

[@povedon56]

Since when vaccines and antibiotics are a kind of food supplements? We don't take antibiotics everyday like food. I don't really understand the mindset of some vegan people...maybe it is their lack of vitamin B12.

[@user-qt8sf7vj9p]

It seems to me that a meditteranaen diet, with fish and white meats, lots of vegetables is the way to go

[@YKush1760]

As you may know, vitamin B12 (cobalamin), a nutrient that vegans often lack, is crucial for nerve tissue, brain function, and red blood cells. If the ingredients in a vitamin B12 supplement come from animals, it cannot be considered a vegan diet. The dried seaweeds "Aosa(Sea lettuce)'' and "Aonori(Green Seaweed)" that Japanese people often eat are rich in vitamin B12. Both are completely different from the black grilled seaweed used in Sushi that's J classic delicacy. Approximately 90% of J people have intestinal bacteria with genes that can digest raw seaweed, whereas non-J's have very few bacteria. This intestinal function is thought to evolve by ingesting marine bacteria on J long history of liking seafood. I'm no expert and don't know if a non-J's intestines can digest these dried seaweeds. In general, Intestinal flora transplantation is still not a mainstream treatment for changing or strengthening intestinal function. However, tasting these seaweeds is worth a try. These processed foods are easy to handle, contain vitamins B1, B2, C, Iron and other important nutrients, and I think they go well with a variety of dishes. Excuse my poor language.

[@np3841]

People don't go "vegan" for health reasons. They may go plantbased for health but veganism is an ethical philosophy against animal exploitation. People should learn more about the industries that abuse animals before labeling themselves as "vegan" or "mostly vegan". Especially on a platform like the BBC. Its a bit cringey to hear people talking about veganism like its a fad or a healthy diet choice. If you want to talk about it from a health perspective use the word plant-based. Eg. He said "Actually, for environmental reasons, I have thought about becoming a bit more vegan". Which makes it seem like veganism is a switch you turn on and off at your convenience. Just use the word flexitarian or plantbased if you mostly don't consume animal products. And also veganism is about animal rights /liberation not welfare. I'm not trying to be pedantic, it's just that it's important so that people understand veganism is a firm ethical principle and not a wishy washy flexitarian environmentalist movement where the main focus is on diet and human health.

[@paulmares9815]

"And also veganism is about animal rights /liberation not welfare. I'm not trying to be pedantic, it's just that it's important so that people understand veganism is a firm ethical principle" that's your definition. Vegan activist have highjacked the meaning and are putting off many people away from a plant based/vegan diet, which seems rather contraproductive. I went vegan for health/dietary reasons and although you or anyone else wont think of me and others as such ( vegan ), ( eventhough any normal person would ) - In the end I don't eat any animals or animal products and that's what matters, no?

[@trishk.7876]

@@paulmares9815 I'm genuinely glad you're following a vegan diet, but that doesn't make you a vegan. Vegans don't wear leather, wool or silk or support any sort of animal exploitation (e.g. entertainment, experimentation, working, decoration).

[@paulmares9815]

@@trishk.7876 Sure, think whatever you want. In your eyes I'm not vegan, then. Why should I care?

[@ronbright2207]

@@paulmares9815I get what you are saying, I am “vegan” but I just say I am plant based, I don’t buy or wear any animal products but it just saves so much conflict, people just make a judgement and of course think of militant vegans which are probably 0.01% but seem to get 99% of the negative media attention.

[@guru6831]

Yes!

[@dumabel3351]

Five and a half years ago, I decided to give up meat, because I actually like animals, I had pet pig, pet sheep, pet dog and I have two cats. So I need to feed my cats meat. During these five years, I still drunk milk and ate eggs, but two weeks ago, I decided to give up milk and egg, I feel so well by now. I am so happy to make this decision!

[@oddvegan9797]

Thank-you for going vegan! 💚🌱 If you're interested, there are some good documentaries about it called Dominion, and Earhtlings.

[@jackomile1838]

I help in a homeless shelter and have done this for many years; the one thing I have noticed is that we hardly ever come across Vegan or Vegetarian homeless. The odd Veggy but never ever a Vegan. Which makes me think that privileged people are the ones that can make a choice for their diet but the poor can't - they are just thankful for what they can get on a day to day basis. Just putting this out there - be kind in your comments.

[@thabbyr]

I don't understand your point, because the fact that it is 2024 and we still have people going hungry in the world (even in the so-called "First World" countries) has nothing to do with vegetarianism or veganism existing. Unless what you meant to say is that it is a shame that people don't have more access to plant-based foods if they like; or that it is a shame that there is a perception that vegetarian and vegan foods are more expensive than meat. If that's the case, I totally agree with you.

[@rogerc23]

What’s your point

[@rogerc23]

As of recent data, countries with the highest per capita meat consumption include: 1. **United States** - The U.S. has one of the highest rates of meat consumption per capita, particularly beef and chicken. 2. **Australia** - Australians also have high meat consumption rates, with significant consumption of beef, lamb, and chicken. 3. **Argentina** - Known for its beef consumption, Argentina has one of the highest per capita rates of meat consumption in the world. 4. **Brazil** - Brazil's meat consumption is high, with beef being a significant part of the diet. Also they highest levels of heart disease and cancer.

[@jackomile1838]

@@rogerc23 My point is that perhaps only the privileged can choose what they want to eat/eat a vegan diet - that is my experience from working with the homeless since 2002 in England and Scotland. We hardly ever have anyone coming in asking for dairy free milk or anything vegan - these people are hungry and eat what they can get.

[@jackomile1838]

@@rogerc23 Sory but what is your point? If you are hungry and come to a homeless shelter and are desperate what are you going to do? If you haven't eaten for days and are cold and feel like you are going to die? I am just stating what I have observed over the many years that I have worked in homeless shelters. These people have no choice, they eat what they can get and are grateful.

[@ruthhorowitz7625]

It depends on how you do it. It can be extremely healthy or extremely unhealthy.

[@Jonny-Har]

Exactly, a “vegan diet” doesn’t say what you eat, only what you don’t eat, which really doesn’t say much!

[@singpohting5464]

💚 I have followed a vegetarian lifestyle for nearly 20 years out of compassion for animals and the environment. From a health perspective, I believe that my decision has contributed to improved well-being compared to my previous habits, even though I didn't consume much meat to begin with. I have noticed fewer health issues compared to before, and I find that I am less susceptible to feeling cold.

[@김지연-w6r]

🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉

[@pongop]

Me too! Veg more over 20 years! Woo!

[@elkpaz560]

I did that now I'm two stone lighter and less susceptible to everything eating meat.

[@TetrzLesonduclairon-qb7cn]

You think "vegetarians" respect animals by consuming their bodily fluids?? As a vegan i despise those who falsely call themselves vegetarians, when in reality they are just picky meat eaters giving no fok about the animals. Fraudulent peoples.

[@AbdulBasit-it7ff]

Interesting, it worked quite opposite for me. I noticed that my health improved quite well after I started eating a balanced diet, including both animal and plant based products.

[@becominglight22]

My sister was vegetarian bordering on vegan for about 10 years. Due to her diet being so carb heavy, she had slowly been gaining weight at about 1kg a year and due to a bad back went to see a nutritionist to see if he could help her figure out if she needed to change anything. He pinpointed from her bloodwork that she was veggie. He explained that he'd seen a trend with difficulty with sustained energy, higher brain function in long term vegetarians and that as she hit 40 she would gain weight even faster as her metabolism slowed. He suggested she re-introducing meat which after much debate, she did. She has seen major improvements in her ability to concentrate, no longer feels the need for a snack in the afternoon to get through the energy slump. Her back has also been less problematic and she's lost the weight she'd put on as a result of her more moderate carb intake. Historically we come from ancestors who ate a lot of meat so that might play into why this worked for her. Also to note she has a generally healthy lifestyle with exercise and wholefoods. I've also tried veggie multiple times and vegan once but have always gone back to meat. I was absolutely starving constantly when doing vegan so that lasted 2-3 months and I was underweight by the end of it. I could not eat enough to feel satiated, despite all the legumes, pulses, carbs, nuts and soy I could get in me. Since then I've been a flexitarian, so try to eat mostly plant based with some meat which will go up and down depending on the moment. This has worked best for me. I suspect that a vegan diet can be super helpful if done well as a kind of detox from eating too much meat and processed foods (as long as you're not eating lots of processed vegan foods) for a couple of years and I think people can see major reversals in health conditions, but I still have questions around the long term viability of eating that way and I've seen a lot of vegan youtubers stop being vegan due to serious health concerns. This video didn't really help answer my questions about the viability of the vegan diet but thought I'd share my experience as it might be helpful .

[@alankritakaushal]

I was born into a vegetarian family. After 30 years of being raised as a strict lacto vegetarian, my body just couldnt cope up anymore. Meat eating is a religious taboo in my culture. I had to introduce chicken to my meals, then increase my dependence on chicken and now I feel so much better. I am not able to understand how people actually benefit in the long run with a vegan diet.

[@erdemtsetsegts]

Thnks

[@jgreen9361]

But, the answer could just as easily have been eat more pulses and less refined carbs. Some meat eating doctors have a blind spot, particularly if they don’t cook and they haven’t personally experienced good quality vegan food. My brother is one of them. He freely admits that he tends to give advice that will improve his patients health and is likely to be accepted rather than giving the best possible advice. He has said, he knows a WFPB diet is the healthiest, but he feels it is hypocritical to ask his patients to give up something he is not willing to give up himself.

[@eeyorehaferbock7870]

Well, I guess now I can skip this video because it sounds like it doesn’t really get to the point of the title based on your concluding statement.

[@leninlau9583]

I've on a plant based diet for a few years, and I'm not lacking ❤anything, and ver healthy, so I think it hasto do on how you incorporate this diet

[@sphendoozy6938]

In my opinion, no, there’s a plus an a minus to every diet and also genetics can come into play aswell. Whatever floats your boat and makes YOU feel good and healthy. ✌️

[@TetrzLesonduclairon-qb7cn]

Wrong. There is nature's law regarding each species specific diet, monkeys don't decide hey lets stop being frugivores its boring lets become omnivores ! We are the only species unsure about what to eat.

[@gullyexplores]

02:23 "I call myself Plant Based, it gives me wiggle room when I mess up and eat cheese" I've never felt so seen! 😅

[@समीक्षा1691]

Same

[@Eric-zo8wo]

0:15: 🌱 The debate on whether being vegan is healthier or not is discussed at a vegan festival in London. 3:17: 🌱 The speaker's mom used to hide meat in their food because she was worried about their protein intake, but now the speaker just picks out the vegetables when they go to their mom's for dinner. 6:57: 🌱 When being vegan, it's important to ensure you get a full range of protein, enough iron, and sufficient calcium. 10:44: 🌱 The speakers discuss their desire to go on a vegan diet and the availability of vegan products in London. 14:20: 🌱 Vegans have a lower risk of certain diseases, but may have a higher risk of fractures. 19:11: 🔥 Caroline sets fire to the packaging while cooking bacon worms. 22:22: 🥩 Meat alternatives have overall better effects than meat, considering factors like sodium, cholesterol, and fat. Meat consumption varies across countries, with high-income countries benefiting from eating less meat and low-income countries potentially benefiting from eating more. 26:00: 🥩 Eating meat alternatives may have benefits for heart health, but more research is needed. Decreased white blood cell count may indicate a higher risk of infection. 29:39: 🌱 The speakers are considering adopting a flexitarian diet, primarily for environmental reasons. Recap by Tammy AI

[@ilonaupite609]

Iodine is in apple seeds, and if you eat one apple a day, with the seeds you have enough proteins. And B12 is naturally on nature, but we use pesticides so we need to wash the fruits and vegetables. But if you have your own garden you can eat apples from a tree and berries and you will get enough B12.

[@casualcookin3893]

I never heard somebody having such a wrong opinion in his life ever, how tf would a single apple have enough protein lol, you are literally insane and delusional

[@AsteroidB6120]

Everywhere I read, apple seeds are toxic as they contain cyanide

[@moondog7694]

Apple seeds contain cyanide. Don't eat apple seeds! Use an iodine supplement from a health food store. Iodine drops that you add to juice. Or kelp powder capsules. I've read that the iodine content in seaweeds is inconsistent/unpredictable.

[@deepikagul]

Loved this podcast so crisp and clear 👌

[@zhupual3689]

I am a listener from China, I like the name"crowd science" you guys are doing a great job. Keep going and good luck.

[@gukagudashvili]

Hi! You don't need those videos, you can continue eating everything that moves and breathes. By the way, youtube should be blocked in your country, how did you manage to enter here?😅

[@dash4uson760]

Dose CCP ban people to listen those western podcast?

[@JavedAlam24]

Racist ​@@gukagudashvili

[@강주현이집트학자]

Hello, I'm from South Korea. Where I live, we don't have any concept of being vegan actually. Most Koreans are crazy about meat 😅. But I've started thinking of trying different in my diet since listening this program. I've never been quite liking meat at all.., but just cultral habitual diet. Anyway thanks for this show and thumbs up !!!

[@Jimmis_93]

You can look out Mediterranean Diet. It's much more balanced and traditional! ☺️

[@lauratanln]

Meat usually smells unless it's smothered with herbs, sauces, condiments.

[@GarudaLegends]

The vegan diet is unhealthy. Just stick with korean food.

[@jellyher0105]

한국에서 비건 쉽지않네요😢

[@oddvegan9797]

A​nd extremely cruel

[@ellast1]

It's healthy for the poor animals that don't want to die or get raped.

[@oddvegan9797]

Um it's not

[@BBCWorldService]

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[@franekfranek6295]

The comment on B12 is a bit misleading. Before being slaughtered, animals are fed with B12 supplements. That is where it comes from. The thing is that B12 from animal sources is easier absorbed by humans than other versions of the vitamin.

[@barrydevonshire9749]

Our stomach has enzymes in that make B12. A well balanced vegan diet will give you enough. Supplements are just insurance!!!

[@아띠랑-u6r]

How can vegan meat be eco friendly while they are highly processed. I think if we actually think about the environment and choose becoming a vegan, we should get the ingredients from the nature. Not from the factory!

[@triciaakehurst2480]

I am trying to eat more mindfully but feeling very tired. I will explore the supplements mentioned to see if they help. Very useful well presented information. I am much better informed.

[@reallyryan_]

Nobody asked

[@oakstrong1]

The guy in program left out vitamin D: the awareness of its importance only emerged during the pandemic. If you are dark-skinned, your body will produce D more slowly, but even meat-eaters are likely to have Insufficient levels unless they eat lots of liver or take codliver oil. If you take over 4000 international units of D vitamin, you are advised to take K2 supplement, at least 100 micrograms.

[@lesblack8996]

@@reallyryan_ Ooooh, nasty too. Trolling isn't a good look Dracula 😄

[@someguy2135]

You can get plenty of iodine from eating seaweed, like Nori. When you eat sushi, you are usually eating Nori. BTW sushi does not have to include fish.

[@RobbieNicNieRobi]

you are deluded

[@rjwaters3]

@@RobbieNicNieRobi You make me disappointed we share a name, why are they deluded? if its about the very thought of having sushi without fish, theyre really not, sushi without fish is quite common, frequently using mushrooms, cucumbers, okra, bamboo shoots, etcetera. and those are just the *common* ones.

[@pynn1000]

I didn't know sushi without fish was possible, thanks, found lots of recipes.

[@someguy2135]

@@pynn1000 Glad to hear it. I love the plant based fish alternative used for sushi at my favorite all vegan restaurant- Chef Kenny's Vegan Dim Sum in Las Vegas.

[@nguyenhoanganhtho9045]

I really love these contents about foodstuff and the science behind them. Thank you for the programme!

[@delnababu7840]

Very helpful for my oet exam

[@rosejones8058]

Thanks for this. I always enjoy your lighthearted presentation.

[@mahasiswaaktivitas]

My favourite podcast. I don't know how many times I have listened to it ❤😂

[@amusebouchekimchi]

Thank you for your podcasts! So fun, entertaining and educational

[@nurishgarayeva2886]

This was interesting and enjoyable to listen! Greetings from Azerbaijan

[@khr-777]

Thank you so much BBC world service.

[@marybcaron9838]

Started no meat over four years ago, was told needed vein surgery both legs.. and have learned how helps environment also,,,, amazing... also believe it has improved , somehow save mental conscious ability to understand and communicate

[@NoirHammer]

Still pushing the myth that complete proteins are needed. As for calcium recent studies show no difference in bone density between vegans and meat eaters. Both need to supplement vitamin D3 and B12. Any diet can be unhealthy. It's the person and not the diet that's the problem.

[@someguy2135]

I think some people benefit (health wise) by going pure vegan because it means changing your taste preferences. After a few years on a pure vegan diet, I do not miss things like cheese, which I did at first. Cheese actually contains and addictive component called casomorphins. To kick the habit, I switched to only Cheetos and ate less and less of them over time. Vegan meat alternatives are also helpful to transition, but now I only eat them as an occasional treat. Actually I do eat Tofurky smoked slices for sandwiches every few weeks. Mostly I now eat whole plant foods, but I do include tofu and tempeh. BTW there are some tasty cheese alternatives, like the Miyoko brand.

[@someguy2135]

@@SR-gs8zo I used to think that sort of thing. When I met my first vegan, I asked her- "Where do you get your protein?" Then I learned the facts. For example- The largest organization of nutrition professionals officially declared- "It is the position of the Academy of Nutrition and Dietetics that appropriately planned vegetarian, including vegan, diets are healthful, nutritionally adequate, and may provide health benefits for the prevention and treatment of certain diseases. These diets are appropriate for all stages of the life cycle, including pregnancy, lactation, infancy, childhood, adolescence, older adulthood, and for athletes. Plant-based diets are more environmentally sustainable than diets rich in animal products because they use fewer natural resources and are associated with much less environmental damage. *Vegetarians and vegans are at reduced risk of certain health conditions, including ischemic heart disease, type 2 diabetes, hypertension, certain types of cancer, and obesity.* Low intake of saturated fat and high intakes of vegetables, fruits, whole grains, legumes, soy products, nuts, and seeds (all rich in fiber and phytochemicals) are characteristics of vegetarian and vegan diets that produce lower total and low-density lipoprotein cholesterol levels and better serum glucose control. These factors contribute to reduction of chronic disease. Vegans need reliable sources of vitamin B-12, such as fortified foods or supplements." -Full abstract from the position paper as found on PubMed from the National Institutes of Health

[@lesblack8996]

@@SR-gs8zo you like the word idiotic don't you? 😆

[@gayeinggs5179]

I don’t. Eat. Much meat. Except. Some chicken but mostly. Eggs and raw salad ! I don’t like this. These made up. Fake meats and. Sausages etc

[@gayeinggs5179]

Yes vitamin B 12 I was very short of Now have injections twice a week

[@gayeinggs5179]

You know. If people don’t eat animals there will be no use for them and they would not be kept so would die out !

[@totoxclub]

Thanks for sharing this great and useful information with us. I really enjoy this kind of content, as a podcast I love it when you guys go to other places as restaurants and talk with the people. It drives me to imagine the contexts, which is fantastic! I would be very happy if you spoke a bit slower (as Sam in this episode) since most of us are not native English speakers. Thank you :)

[@coralkingwell4850]

The trouble with most meat 'alternatives' is they are processed and may contain unhealthy ingredients. As for B12; the only reason it's in meat is because it is added to the animals' feed. They would get it naturally if they were grazing in the fields, but cattle are not raised that way. B12 comes from the soil and is washed and processed out of our food and the food the animals get. Regarding bovine spongiform encephalopathy (BSE) in cattle which is a prion disease that leads to Creutzfeldt-Jakob Disease in humans. BSE symptoms show up in cattle at about 3 years of age. Most cattle are eaten before they reach the age of 2 years - just a thought.

[@Heyhey-r8z]

i really like listening to this podcast while studing

[@marktbarr]

Nice. But would've been better if the host actually did what he was supposed to do and followed the diet properly.

[@barrydevonshire9749]

Oil is a bigger calorific intake than carbs. Cutting down oil has more impact

[@paullond7721]

Hong Kong has the longest life expectancy in the world, and also the highest meat consumption per capita in the world.

[@jchung1506]

Where did you get these stats from?

[@bchaitu]

What a wonderfully thoughtful show 🤗 Thank you 🙏

[@haleyhalcyon]

Notes: • A vegan diet makes it difficult to get enough of a full range of proteins, iron, and calcium, but it is still possible with enough care. • Vitamin B12 and iodine are also rare in vegan foods, so you need supplements for those. • Get the help of a dietician for the above. • Due to the aforementioned deficiencies, a vegan diet does not equate directly to healthiness, but if done correctly, it can potentially increase energy levels. • Epidemiology of vegans is not well-studied; it is also difficult to adjust for wealth level. • Vegans have lower BMI on average, and to a lesser degree, cholesterol and blood pressure. • Vegans _may_ have a slightly lower risk of prostate cancer. • Vegans have a higher risk of bone fractures. (Calcium deficiency?) • There is no significant difference in lifespan. • Vegan meat recreations may be made of soy protein. • Vegan milk replacements are Just Not There yet.

[@GarudaLegends]

Meat eaters live longer in age and have a higher life expectancy than vegans. Ppl who were born vegan have the worse life expectancy. Vegans also have to live on drugs from a lab by the pharmaceutical market for the rest of their short lives. Veganism is the most unhealthy diet on esrth next to ppl who eat junkfood and fast food every meal.

[@isaachicks2720]

Stop paying for animals to die please and thank you.

[@sirgaymeerkat1994]

governments subsidiary to animal agriculture should be cancelled too!

[@sirgaymeerkat1994]

@Pale Rider no! You eat them to be a selfish carnival!

[@trishk.7876]

@@sirgaymeerkat1994 SO TRUE! What if governments subsidized healthy fruits and vegetables instead? Then we wouldn't need to spend so much on pharmaceuticals and hospitalizations.

[@sirgaymeerkat1994]

@@trishk.7876 if only! 🙏

[@cmn_7146]

Meat increases inflammation . When inflammation increases in the body it is reflected in a higher white blood cell count, so naturally, it would make sense that those switching to a vegan plant-based diet would decrease inflammation, and therefore decrease in a white blood cell count. This reflection is indicative of a healthier person, and not a less healthier person

[@Amusiastudio]

Wrong. Seed oils cause inflammation

[@sphumelelesijadu]

I don't expect people to stick to the diet if they can't wait till it ends. Health is just not a good enough justification. Ethics make one stick to the lifestyle better so I can't say I'm surprised by the outcome.

[@josephinenilsson1541]

100% this. I went vegan seven years ago after actually seeing what we subject animals too, and I couldn’t eat dairy or eggs even if I wanted to, it’s not food to me. I stopped eating meat at 12 after watching videos from slaughter houses, and after that it’s not food. It’s someone’s body parts. Someone who didn’t want to die, who absolutely suffered greatly, and who should never have been born in the first place only to live a short life of only misery. When you know how these industries work, if you have any empathy and sense of responsibility, it is no effort not to eat it. The desire goes away immediately.

[@ageingfast]

I agree absolutely. If more people were aware of the suffering of animals and poultry and what misery they endure then that would change their outlook on eating. I've been a vegetarian for several decades and became vegan about four and a half years ago. It was easy as I just stopped eating dairy products and eggs. It does mean carefully checking ingredients on every food item I buy, from bread to muesli bars. I am healthy and have endless energy at almost seventy and will be a vegan for the rest of my life.

[@delyadilkarakas765]

I will become flexitarian after this episode! I really enjoy it. Thanks

[@dianabanana2000]

Vegan for 7 years, best decision ever for my health, the animals and the planet

[@northerncoloradotransparen1454]

When is the carnivore cult community going to develop their denial strategy for this video that seems to point towards excess meat is not good for your health? The science has been there for over a century now. Very powerful financial interests do not want people to stop consuming meat and being healthier overall it will wreck profits.

[@manuelpopp1687]

Does a drop in the amount of white blood cells really cause a higher risk of infection (as suggested by the speaker somewhere around 27:00), or does it indicate a lower exposure to something like inflammation-causing proteins? I mean, some country might sustain only a small army because they lack the money to fund a huge one, or because they are located in a save area. Similarly, some other country may have a huge army because they don't know what to do with all the surplus money they have, or because they are at war or fear some neighbour to invade at any time.

[@mpr320]

I would like yo cut off meet products a little. Very useful

[@oddvegan9797]

Why would you like to do that ?

[@spacecmu6826]

Great show! Informative

[@northerncoloradotransparen1454]

Vegan is absolutely healthier for humans. However, you do have to learn how to eat and learn to make some adjustments. WFPB4LIFE

[@FunLittleMovies]

Loved this show, thank you! Learned a lot. 🎉

[@NazriB]

Lies again? American Education Smart Bundesliga

[@ngocminh8701]

Very useful infomation. Thank you!

[@PLuMUK54]

I've not eaten meat for about 40 years because I did not enjoy the taste or texture of meat. 20 years ago I was affected by viral cardiomyopathy and they gave me 48 hours to live. Thankfully, they were wrong. Several doctors and nutitionists over the next few years made the same comment. Had I been a meat eater, then I probably would not have survived. Some added that my diet was so good, it was unfair that I'd caught the virus in the first place, which I thought took it a little too far. During the pandemic I went off butter, eggs and fish, so decided to give them up. I wondered how this change might affect me. Well, I found out earlier this year. I was hospitalised for a cat bite - sounds minor but I had a total of 12 days in hospital and 5 operations! Obviously, when you're in hospital you have regular checks. One of the anæsthiatists looked at my records pre-op and commented that I was very healthy. I commented that he meant "for my age", and he said that I was healthy for any age. Over my period of recovery, because both hands were affected, my diet was appalling. I couldn't cook, couldn't use a knife and fork, so I was eating a lot of junk, because it was convenient. My health was seriously affected. Obviously, I was not eating meat, but my previously excellent diet was now bad. My GP insisted on his own blood tests to monitor signs of my infections. I'd become pre-diabetic, my liver function was affected, blood pressure elevated, and I developed arrhythmia. A few weeks later when I returned to my normal, admittedly not vegan, diet, all of these problems faded away. Would I be healthier as a vegan? Personally I dont think so. I still have milk and cheese, and if something contains eggs, I will eat it. This means that I do not have to be thinking all the time about ensuring that I'm getting the right nutrients. I do have vegan days, but often I only realise afterwards. They are not planned. My largely plant based diet is good for me. It has kept me healthy. However, there is more to food than nutrition. How much pleasure we get from food is also important. My best friend loves meat, but is careful how much he eats. To take away the meat would also take away a lot of his pleasure. I think that any diet can be healthy, so long as the person is careful. Eat meat if you want, but don't eat too much, and dont expect me to join you.

[@Jimmis_93]

What about Mediterranean Diet comparing to vegan diet?

[@mabrbr]

vaccines and antibiotics are not required in routine, this is not an argument for switching to supplements, most of which you should take daily

[@enemanozzle]

Every vegan and vegetarian should take at least every second day early in the morning on an empty stomach 1 tablespoon (15 ml) castor oil in order to prevent an intestinal blockage, for in the case that you will eat a lot of fruits or vegetables your large intestine will be really filled and you will remark this one occasionally unpleasant, this especially during the night. In this case it will be very helpfull to take your dosage castor oil in good time.

[@susanwu2208]

Good info, thanks. If shows people will be more easy than Watch the circles.

[@xueqiongwen7098]

That’s so interesting! Thanks for the wonderful video! I would like to eat more plant-based food after listening to this just to be more environmental friendly! 🎉

[@spudspuddy]

well don't because its fake news from the klaus schwab new world order agenda of human enslavement...the 1% in charge will still be eating roast beef

[@김지연-w6r]

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[@TetrzLesonduclairon-qb7cn]

And what about the victims? What about being humane unstead inhumane for once?

[@michaeldunbar2127]

Thank you for sharing!

[@mugglefu2479]

great podcast! you guys are so candid and I love it. bursted into laugh when Anand confessed he almost forgot his should be on vegan diet, that's so real. hh

[@h4d1sby]

where can i find the video full version ?

[@esthershen2757]

The video really can make me learn English well.

[@quynhduongcaothi5500]

well, you know, we need some subtitles, I mean an online paper of transcript

[@someguy2135]

Thinner people are more prone to more fragile bones. Vegans are thinner. The vegan diet is not directly responsible. Weight bearing exercises can compensate for being thinner.

[@NDO75]

Are these vegetarian meat, bacon etc really healthy? Wouldn’t these be considered processed food.

[@barrydevonshire9749]

Dr neil bernard has done real life diet changes test vegan verses meat eaters for many years. Why are these not included

[@fyrkatmysaev6392]

I have a question! May vegans eat artificial meat?

[@alejandrojavierpena5608]

Its up to you, nothing is better or worse its your decision!! Nowadays we are surroundings from a plenty of experts and researches telling us what we should do this and that how we should life our lives what we should eat and so on. Stop please , feel free eating whatever you want be happy as crazy

[@psychologyphd9662]

I’m a carnivore there is zero chance of me not eating meat.

[@oakstrong1]

With all of the commercial vegan products appearing on the market, being vegan does NOT mean that vegan diet is automatically healthy. For example, French fries (chips) which are cooked in palm oil are vegan but they are still pretty unhealthy. I don't advocate anyone to become vegan but I would recommend people eat a diet higher in vegetables (but not grain) than meat or dairy. I'm on the fence about eggs, but not because of their cholesterol: the myth of them having an affect on cholesterol levels was debunked decades ago.

[@suzuha1729]

I'm listening to this cause I know very well that in english listening test examiners choose Britain English beacuse is way difficult to understand due to its accent specially for english learners.

[@peomastagenuk]

Check out Daddy Bear Reads at Bedtime 🐻

[@tvb2690]

I’ve only discovered crowd science recently and am totally hooked. Great for use at school and I love the balanced approach. Thanks a lot🙏

[@gilesdesign]

Why did Susan point out cholesterol in meat alternatives? A vegan diet contains zero dietary cholesterol. Did she mean saturated fat?

[@elkpaz560]

If the body doesn't get enough cholesterol it makes its own.

[@Truthseeker371]

Missing the whole point: Vegan food ingredients may contain ingredients high in pesticide, chemical fertiliser, and even little nutrients. It's not about whether you eat meat, dairy or only plants. How they are grown make the hit. Otganic is not necessarily organic. It's only labelling and every nation has different standard for labelling. EU stahdard differes from the US, and other countries. The quality of soil where the plants are grown matters more than the end products. Vegans also get sick with modern day diseases. The biggest drawback for Vegans is their insistence on others, especially non-vegan cooks. Should the vegans insist on the dietary requirements, they should bring the own food, or decline the shared meals. That way, non-vegans can enjoy freedom of choice, too.

[@mishty-yf6gj]

It's ok to drink milk (it will fulfil your nutriation) and eat honey(it will make you strong).Think properly,it will not make the veg offensive.The non-veg is about fish,meat and egg.

[@mrmiteva]

what else have they given up? if they also do not smoke, that may be the determining factor ...

[@patriciamurtagh7998]

You cannot be a bit vegan 😮 you can be a bit or a lot plant based

[@vc6601]

A pity some of the comments made by those interviewed are erroneous such as possible protein deficiency, food combining to get adequate ‘complete’ proteins etc. There can also be a huge difference between the health effects of a whole foods plant based diet and a vegan one. After all, a vegan diet can consist primarily of vegan junk foods, of which there are increasingly large amounts and variety. How about comparing 3 diets: standard western, vegan junk, and whole food plant based? That would be interesting!

[@和魂英才]

Vegan diet for 2-3 days a week will certainly improve health for most people. That does not necessarily mean vegan diet promotes health when it replaced every meal for a long term.

[@oddvegan9797]

Veganism is NOT a diet. Veganism is a lifestyle. Saying "A vegan diet 2-3 times a week" is like saying "being an anti r pe activist 2-3 time a week and r ping humans for 4-5 days a weeks for your personal pleasure " No. That's impossible. You can be plant based 2-3 times a week. But not vegan.

[@tesswall3143]

Thank you so much, very informative! Subscribed. 5⭐️❤️

[@MNP208]

I do believe we should eat mostly plants, however, eating meat and dairy once in a while is not life threatening. We can take these diets way too far. If you want a steak or piece of fish occasionally, eat the meat! Cut out the processed food.

[@brettarcher7690]

Very interesting podcasts, but lacking to comment on the diabetes epidemic and relationship to plant-based diets.. also, epidemiological studies should be classed as garbage and should only suggest where further studies should be undertaken

[@Orangecat223]

Veganism isn’t about health lol it’s a lifestyle.

[@alvinalmonte7161]

Vegan is a complete diet. Don’t think that a vitamin or mineral like b12 can be found in one single vegetable. Eat a variety of veggies, fruits, nuts, grains, legumes, nutritional yeasts, etc and you’re good to go. The problem with others just stick to one or more some few varieties.

[@marianasalles242]

Veganism is the future 🌱🌏

[@elkpaz560]

Not for the rich. They'll be getting high quality protein and micronutrients from the best grass fed meat.

[@arambarsamian6312]

@@elkpaz560*High-quality*? What makes it high? Anima protein causes our insulin-like growth factor-1 to go up, which promotes cancer. Then there is TMAO, Neu5Gc, AGIs, cholesterol, the saturated fat that comes along with this “high-quality protein,” the heme iron - all causes for concern. The “lower-quality” protein from plants is actually a *superior* source of prototype humans. It does not cause a spike in IGF-1, and plant protein sources come along with fiber (and 97% of people are not getting the minimum recommended amount!) and beneficial phytonutrients (which can only be found in plants).

[@elkpaz560]

@@arambarsamian6312 Did I say 'high' I meant bioavailable. Plants have a number of anti-nutrients - look into it. Do as you will but I will follow the diet of my ancestors.

[@arambarsamian6312]

@@elkpaz560 first of all, what do you think your ancestors really ate? Second, are there any scientific studies according to which such ancestral eating pattern is better than a whole-foods, plant-based diet? Because ultimately it really doesn’t matter what our ancestors ate if a plant-based diet is better. Also, our ancient ancestors - until very recently, ate whatever they could find to stave off starvation and to make it to a certain age when they could pass their genes on to the next generation. Humans are scavengers - opportunistic omnivores. They weren’t exactly eating for health and longevity. We now actually *have* the data on which foods and eating patterns extend lifespan and improve health outcomes. There is no reason to *hypothesize* that we ought to eat the way our ancestors ate.

[@elkpaz560]

@@arambarsamian6312 I comment to allow people who are interested to investigate. I really don't care what you do or believe personally. A note about 'scientific studies.' I believe in the Scientific Method but there is also the real - financially corrupt world. If there isn't profit in the outcome the big boys are not going to finance a study. There is money in drugs within the patent period and mass produced and processed food.

[@ammini999]

Outstanding poadcast ❤

[@ingridmagee]

If I ever go vegan, it will be for ethical reasons. It might happen one day. But I want to be as healthy as I can be for my children. I believe you can be a healthy vegan but it takes a lot more work and energy, especially if you have intolerances to wheat, gluten, beans etc.

[@rhiiii6657]

Meat is not healty like

[@Ruktiet]

Please, for you own health, and that of your children, don't ever do that. Humans have been eating animals ever since we phylogenetically became humans. Hunting was a very important part of become as smart as we are today; the fact that we're such succesful hunters is because of the tremendous evolutionary pressure put upon us animals during the ice ages and our migrations throughout the world. Just get on a whole foods animal-based diet. Don't fear saturated fat. The "science" behind it is an absolute lie. It's the oxidized and small particle LDL's that you should be afraid of, on top of a high omega 6 to omega 3 fatty acid ratio. Reduce linoleic acid by avoiding seeds oils (hint: it's in EVERYTHING)!!!! Don't go vegan.

[@Ruktiet]

@Soren88 What an ignorant question. If you believe in the theory of evolution (which is very obviously not a theory but a very visible, true mechanism), you know that the surviving organisms are best adapted to the environment they're put in. This includes morphology, behavior, ..., and, of course, this includes the foods they seek out. Evolution results in a local optimum of the configuration of organisms given their environment. Thus, the diet they eat is likely the optimal diet for them, because, throughout history, every animal that was related to the pertinent species, that ate differently, died. If they didn't, they would have survived, and then we would see the pertinent animals of that species eat a different diet than what we observe today. Apply this to humans. We see that hunter-gatherers get approximately 2/3 of their daily calories from meat (including offal and bone marrow; "nose to tail"), and they are very representative of how humans have eaten throughour our history. That you CAN get all of your nutrition through an artificial diet full of processed plant products and supplements that you would never find in nature in a single region, does not mean that you SHOULD. In the same way, you CAN do the dishes using only one hand, but it's still better to just use both hands. Most vegan quit veganism after a few years. This explains why. There is no argument for veganism, except an ethical one that is based upon postmodern weakness and denial of our biology as a hunting species.

[@Ruktiet]

​@Soren88 Ridiculous response. I gave you a really good argument for why an evolutionarily consistent diet is very probably an optimal diet for most animals of a species. Would you disagree that cows should eat herbaceous plants? Would you disagree that lions should eat meat? Would you disagree that chimpanzees should eat mostly fruit and other plant matter, and supplement with insects and meat? Then why do you disagree with this about humans? Do you really think that these animals require "the data" that shows it's an optimal diet for them before they accept it, rather than just following their nature? Why do you think everyone, universally, absolutely LOVES the taste of meat. And yes, vegans do require to eat processed food, or they will never be able to get all the essential nutrients in. B12 is an example, but there's many others. You act as if an "appeal to nature" argument is a bad one. Don't forget how evolution works. We even use the mechanism of evolution for optimization problems in extremely difficult search spaces in computer science. How delusional must one be to not see that your body knows what it's supposed to eat? If you're thirsty, you know you want to drink. Well, vegans constantly run out of nutrients and desperately crave meat, but they somehow don't follow their nature in this case, and instead of simply eating meat, waht their body wants, they eat some legumes full of mineral stealing phytic acid flown over from all over the world because it won't grow and is not native to where they live. You are arguing against your nature. Are you not a man?

[@Ruktiet]

@Soren88 Btw, you don't even know what a "straw man" argument is. I clearly answered the question you asked me, so how is it a straw man argument? You're clearly malnourished as you can't even remember what you're fighting about. Eat some meat, instead of denying your nature. Are you also going to argue against peeing or defecating the normal way? You can always use a bladder probe or ostomy bag. I first need to see the data that defecating in a natural way is more healthy than defecating through an ostomy bag before you tell me I shouldn't get my colon removed!!! You're nothing short of insane, you people. You're destroying people's health with your cult.

[@Stoic2000]

Disappointing. From the start veganism is not defined properly it is a lifestyle not a diet. It’s plant-based eating which vegans engage in that is being discussed here not veganism which about animal right. The doctor talking about complete proteins is clearly not up to date with the latest science that has debunked this idea including the scientist who came up with it. Legumes and grains provide a complete complimented of amino acids and is a reflection of how people actually eat eg. beans on toast, burrito, dhal and rice. not a big slab of tofu and nothing else. Calcium is cheap and easy to obtain from legumes and green leafy vegetables. In the Uk the government already supplement or foods. ‘Fortified flour and cereal and iodinised salt for example so it is not as if meat eats are getting the nutrients they need easily the state is facilitating this. If your body is inflamed you are going to have elevated white blood cells. They should have looked for other inflammatory markers to see if the plant-based population had a decrease in WBC’s because they diets cause less inflammation. Meat consumption illicits an inflammatory response so that coukd be the reason why but this was never discussed. Bacteria in the soil and waterways produce B12 not animals. Most animals used for food never see the light of day let alone soil so need to be supplemented with B12. It should not be a problem to bypass the slaughter and consume supplements directly. People are told to watch out on a vegan/plant-based diet but have no understanding of what they lack or the problems associated with dairy and meat consumption so this does not make it easy to make an informed choice. we are starting from a point of view that meat based diets provided everything we need. But conveniently ignore the cholesterol and excessive amounts of saturated fats that burden the NHS are the leading cause of death in the West. And living longer is not what it is about. Living better is. Medical science can stretch out your years but the condition you find yourself in during your last fews years is also important. Bed ridden and riddled with disease and pumped full of drugs vs die in your sleep? What is the difference between the two groups studied? This should have been commented on in the study because how we live is import if we are all going to die anyway.

[@susana.esteves]

Great great comment.thank you for taking the time to write all of this so people can read it !

[@FutureCommentary1]

Thank you. Complete protein, no mention that a you can get salt with iodine, etc. A lot of misses. Your comment was very informative for. Thanks.

[@arambarsamian6312]

Actually, take a look at this: “AHS-1 helped firmly establish that Adventists are a long-lived population. Compared to other Califonians, participants in AHS-1 had greater longevity. Findings estimated that men in AHS-1 lived 7.3 years longer and AHS-1 women 4.4 years longer, on average than their California counterparts. When looking specifically at vegetarians, Adventist vegetarian men lived 9.5 years longer and women 6.1 years longer than California men and women, respectively. Perhaps more importantly, researchers identified several simple factors that together predicted large differences in expected longevity among the participants of AHS-1. Five main factors were identified: Never having smoked Having a lower (more normal) body weight Exercising more often Following a vegetarian diet Eating nuts more frequently AHS-1 participants who had all of these factors had approximately a 10-year longer life expectancy compared to those with none of these favorable factors. This demonstrated that simple lifestyle factors were able to account for major differences in life expectancy.”

[@yangtse55]

"Protein combining "? Good grief. I believe the person who thought that one up later apologised... All foods have all essential amino acids. Check out the work of Christopher Gardner.

[@lavoxii]

Eating balance the food is the best diet and using whole food, fresh ingredients and organic products, plus some exercises are the best way to maintain healthy.