IS ABADDON THE CLONE OF HORUS? WHAT IS THE TRUTH?

[@danteAysen]

Wow! Wolf Lord Rho and Majorkill making a video of the same subject, at the same time😮

[@kristopherb]

My exact same thoughts when I saw the thumbnail of this video.

[@jamesjosep4393]

Yep!

[@justlolit]

They do occupy the same body.

[@kayvaanmcsharrowkyn6901]

Deja Vulkan???

[@Ghostwolf82]

In all fairness, Majorkill’s video covers five different fan theories, including the Abaddon clone theory, though he didn’t go in to the level of depth on each one as Wolf Lord Rho has here. So, whilst Abaddon might be a clone of Horus, neither of these videos is a clone of the other 😊

[@Will_Parker]

I'd say it's more like Horus' geneseed in him was just particularly pure and now that he's been so corrupted and empowered by chaos that he's basically the same size and power as Horus. Also funny you addressed this the same day as Majorkill haha

[@lord_haven1114]

Majorkill 👎

[@ChrisHopkinsBass]

Quiet Timmy!

[@AdamMichalMarkowski]

@@lord_haven1114 Hey, stop dissing that filthy rat. We need some Skaven representation in community as well!

[@jaskegoffii3968]

Horus would fold Abaddon like a pretzel, stop. He ain't nothing like his dad

[@Will_Parker]

@@jaskegoffii3968 I was comparing him to the clone of Horus that he kills, meaning you are objectively wrong

[@jonharrison9222]

They confirmed Abaddon had a proper birth-Father on Cthonia. Whom he killed.

[@Kristian.B.Kristiansen]

If any are interested in a longer excerpt from Black Legion; ‘Are you Horus?’ His golden eyes glinted with amusement. He dragged in a slow breath through his rebreather. ‘I am Ezekyle Abaddon,’ he said through the medicae tank’s speakers. ‘That is not what I meant.’ I shook my head and gestured to him: this immense figure in the suspension tank, with slabs of muscle over muscle and a demigod-like stature that had led to this legend being whispered throughout the Nine Legions, a legend that would one day be whispered across the galaxy. ‘Are you Horus? Are you his clone? His… son?’ He laughed, the sound wet and tinny over the speakers. ‘What do you believe, Khayon? Do you think I am?’ I saw no reason to lie. ‘Yes.’ This delighted him. I was not sure why. ‘And if I were, brother - if I were merely Horus remade, recrafted, with a twist in my gene-code here and an alteration there, would it change anything?’ I had to think about that. I looked into his eyes but saw no answers there, only amusement. ‘Perhaps. Perhaps you have always been a genetic twin of your primarch. Or perhaps Ezekyle Abaddon was slain in his pilgrimage across the Eye, and you are one of Fabius’ creations in his place. How am I to know?’ This, too, delighted him. ‘So yet again we come back to trust, my brother.’ ‘So it seems.’ ‘Let me ask you this, Khayon. What does it matter? Clones, sons, fathers… Let the herd whisper whatever truths they choose. Our eyes are set on worthier goals. We look to the future, not the past.’ I acceded with a nod, knowing that there was no answer to be had here. Knowing, ultimately, that he was right. It did not matter ‘ At least, not if he was on our side.

[@adrienwatson2179]

Great series Cant wait for #3

[@georgeaird4637]

I find it amusing how happy Abaddon is to be asked this. People have taken that quote where he calls Horus a 'fool' out of context, Abaddon still clearly still reveres and worships his Primarch even now.]

[@Kristian.B.Kristiansen]

@@georgeaird4637 no, on that point you are wrong on both counts. Abaddon is amused, because he finds it funny, that someone finally have the nerves to ask him straight out.

[@paddathehutt]

@@adrienwatson2179 we've been waiting so long already 😭

[@Tulkash01]

According to current lore Abbadon had a father and was not a normal human. He’s not a clone but he’s taken after Horus’ geneseed like no other marine while doing everything he can to distance himself from Horus’ legacy because he considers him a failure

[@CrispinBac0n]

His father was a king. Abbadon was asked by his 'king' to kill his loyal friends in cold blood. Abbadon killed his father, his king. Abbadon was loyal to his true friends.

[@michaelrogers4157]

"..but he's taken after Horus' geneseed like no other marine..." Horus Aximand would like a word with you.

[@johnn4134]

I always thought chaos space marines kinda keep growing as they get more favor from the chaos gods and thats why abaddon is the size of a primarch in 40k but smaller in 30k. The warp has warped him and his armour larger as he grows the black legion.

[@LGMUFO]

One of the best (if not the best) in the business Rho, can't wait to listen to this - especially after just discovering about this theory today on a Majorkill video. Thank you for all the amazing content!

[@Blade_291]

My take is that Abaddon pre geneseed was a peak physical specimen whose genetic make-up took so well to the gene-seed that he became what he is today, a near clone. Only Little Horus looked more like Lupercal, but Abaddon both embodies him. Had the Emperor not obliterated Horus's soul, the chaos gods would have just put Horus into Abaddons body, and the process starts again.

[@KaiserAfini]

*Rho:* Spoiler warning *Topic covered:* The De-spoiler I think you should be fine, he really hates spoilers.

[@Wolf-mv9sq]

Lord Rho, Horus and Abaddon standing next to one another. Aaron goes to great length to explain the changes the warp makes to those that reside or have fallen to it. Abaddon is swollen with power and has been physically changed by the warp, to be the very personification of A/The Warmaster..

[@fightforaglobalfirstamendm5617]

Remember by the time Abaddon encounters the clone of Horus, he is empowered by chaos and the clone is not.

[@adrienwatson2179]

I dont remember Abbadon getting empowered Thatvwas in "Talon of Horus" Abbadon goes on to resist any chaos taint for a few hundred years.. and becomes very sick and weakened due to fighting off chaos

[@fightforaglobalfirstamendm5617]

@@adrienwatson2179 he is at this point Warmaster of Chaos that means he is favoured by all the gods and their gifts. He is their greatest tool in the material realm. Not to mention his blade Drach’nyen, the armour and the talon.

[@fightforaglobalfirstamendm5617]

@@adrienwatson2179 taint is different to empowerment. It’s a fine line sometimes but there is a difference.

[@adrienwatson2179]

@@fightforaglobalfirstamendm5617 He doesnt get Drach'nyen for hundreds of years.... And it LITERALLY says in the book that he denies chaos This is LONG before the black legion left the rift to claim Drach'nyen during the 1st black crusade. In fact At this time, there was no Black Legion at all Abbadon actually does a monologue about denying Chaos totally, as they turned Horus into a puppet, so he will deny them and deny their gifts In the following book The Gods trying to get him to accept them, actually weakens him and hurts him/depletes him His Lieutenant and the books narrator/storyteller literally says that Abbadon didnt havr the gifts of Chaos for another 500 years minimum

[@adrienwatson2179]

@@fightforaglobalfirstamendm5617 Rho LITERALLY says it in this video that Abbadon wasnt empowered by chaos. Give "Talon of Horus" a read Its amazing and it clarifies all of this

[@elhamaryanpur]

Guys it was alpharius who gave Rho and majorkill the idea for the video

[@trajanfidelis1532]

Hydra Dominatus

[@thatotherguy8138]

Hey, leave me out of this.

[@aquavitae3824]

I'm Abbapharius, and you are too.

[@V0IV0DE]

Abaddon is he's own deal. Everybody saying now because of the Arks of Omen that he is one of the most competent menaces to the Imperium. The dude was considered a meme from most of the older editions, now they are trying to retcon Abaddon as a brilliant strategist. The dude almost got killed several times, the only thing that Abaddon after 3rd edition have of excellency is his plot armour. GW should revive/bring back all primarchs already since they are staging Horus Heresy 50k: Electric Boogaloo.

[@Subject_Keter]

It must be fun stalling out everything cuz your own franchise dies if they take a Step forward... cuz your story only has like 10 steps left and always had. Very weird idea for a "Setting" and probably giving a edging guy his edge.

[@CrispinBac0n]

Abbadon is far too interesting to being simply a clone of Horus. He questions much and has a far deeper philosophical outlook than one would first consider to be. At first I took him to be a simple hot headed bully. The solar war for instance shows more of the philosophical character.

[@adrienwatson2179]

Agreed I think hes a GREAT character Between The Solar war... his inner monologue when trapped in the Saturnine ambush, (AMAZING, made me really like Abbadon) his joking and poking fun at Sanguinius in a flash back... and of course the 2 black legion books.... Hes actually great

[@Mesozoic_mammal]

Abaddon is as interesting as a piece of dry bread.

[@adrienwatson2179]

@@Mesozoic_mammal Lmao Nice

[@CrispinBac0n]

@@Mesozoic_mammal Jaeger nienster

[@joshuacouture479]

It’s strange, majorkill just made a video on dumb theories and this was one of them in his video

[@randomvidwatcher4204]

I know right I just came from that video so I'm skeptical qboit this video

[@waynegoddard4065]

Majorkill space Jesus now is he? This is still a good subject to explore. Its been brought up in the early novels.

[@SharkWithoutLegs]

SHOTS FIRED

[@Raven-qj8xk]

@@waynegoddard4065 Definitely worth considering! There have been other clones!

[@adrienwatson2179]

Majorkill is fun But hes not very good with thr lore if we are being honest

[@РоманСоловьёв-к9и]

That is freaking stupid. Abaddon was BORN on Chtonia, he had an actual FATHER. Even he's got a gene-seed, facial and inner features, he is not a clone.

[@maevethefox5912]

That's all I could think. We *see* his backstory and his turning in to a Marine

[@Tulkash01]

True but keep in mind that is a relatively recent development. Him being a clone of Horus was left as an open possibility for a very long time and not everyone is up to date with the latest lore

[@tomb7704]

A clone is a like a print of oil painting, it does look the same but it hasn't got the soul of the original.

[@jtexasboyz3805]

The Legion took a special interest in him as a youth. Maybe something was done in the gene-seed process like being directly from Horus himself. Maybe even some Primaris type meddling.

[@samhunter1205]

This seems most likely to me. Maybe an early experiment in the Geneseed process?

[@ditmarvanbelle1061]

I have another theory. Azekiel's stature grew after 10000 years as warmaster? Got the daemon primarchs running in fear? Clear proof that he's tapping not only into the 4 Chaos gods but also receives boons from the greatest of warp powers -- GORK and MORK! He is the WAAAAGHMASTER, not some zogging clone

[@Tropicoboy]

He was always a head taller than most marines durring the Crusade. Did he get bigger after the Heresy

[@Tropicoboy]

The vibe I got from Abadon from the Horus Heresy book at least the first few is he is a powerful and clearly a cut above the rest of astartes and other first captain, but he prone to fits of anger. He seems like a mini Horus but lacks the leadership ability on the level of someone like Horus.

[@murdock94]

In a way aren't all Astartes sort of clones of their Primarchs? I say "sort of" because of having their Primarch's genes spliced in.

[@Lord_Marshal_Valdar]

I feel like this is a response to Majorkill’s video.

[@adrienwatson2179]

Wouldnt be surprised Majorkill isnt very good/accurate with the lore and Rho is. Rho wanted to clear it up that it is a VERY valid opinion according to lore, and not a stupid one

[@fiole666]

weirdly enough, MajorKill has published earlier a video discussing the same topic. I am more a fan of your work, Lord Rho (cheers), but I thought I would share this, as it's always usefull to have several takes.

[@mistere.9534]

I was just about to say the same thing... I have noticed a bunch of the 40K guys syncing up once in a while.

[@fightforaglobalfirstamendm5617]

Cannot stand majorkill.

[@adrienwatson2179]

Agreed I dont mind Majorkill Hes amusing... But he really doesnt know the lore and he makes stuff up that did or didnt happened to prove his points.. he actually buys into thr memes since he gets his info from Reddit Rho is on point

[@johngrammaticus5296]

he's armless like a fluffy kitten

[@michaelhowell2326]

So if Abaddon and the Horus-clone were they same size and all, wouldn't that mean that the Horus-clone wasn't a perfect example, contrary to what Fabius says?

[@WR288]

Horus: OG Horus Clone: "We have Horus at home" Abaddon: Made in China cardboard cutout of the wrong person

[@hiredgoon93]

I've never bought the change in Abaddon's character from Heresy (he was an aggressive bruiser) to thoughtful strategist in ADB's Talon. Sure, time passed and a persons personality can change but that was a really fundamental change in Abaddon's character. I've never really bought it. But what if Abaddon was swapped out for a Horus clone? That would explain the character change and a lot of the similarities between Abaddon and Horus.

[@paddathehutt]

I felt like in some of the siege of terra books they fleshed out some of Abaddon's growth - tactical thoughts, emulating Purturabo's study of war, failures of the primarchs etc

[@blankspace4358]

I mean 10,000 years is a very long time for your personality to change. Hell people can change in 1 year, let alone 10,000...

[@sharrowkin1360]

Abaddon? He's not a clone. He's a very naughty boy!

[@matthewmarmont4103]

Super enjoying this week on Abaddon, loving all of your videos. I am new to a lot of lore, and your vids help a lot. But you have me wondering could Abandon be the biological son of horus? I know space marines can not father sons but what about Horus ? Something to think about I'll like to know your opinion ;)

[@captainteutonica5474]

Saw MajorKill's video earlier, looking forward to getting the FULL SCOOP from WolflordRho

[@radagastthedank8902]

A space marine believing another space marine a clone of their primarch is kind of the 40k equivalent of somebody saying “you really are your fathers son”

[@chrisrodgers855]

It’s a compliment when your father was really good, a sport, or a job or something like that a grandfather or an uncle tells you I see your father in you. That’s what this is.

[@mrgriff7677]

Wasn't there a story regarding Horus taking a while to grow into his full form? Maybe the younger Horus clone was not finished in it's development into a fully grown primarch

[@trollzynisaacjohan1793]

It's not the original anyway. Original horus would crush abaddon.

[@Duppyman695]

No way Abaddon is a clone of Horus because that takes away the fact Abaddon was a standard Space Marine, sporting a Primarch weapon and a Daemon sword.... way too big for his boots!

[@jamesespinosa690]

Abbadon is in no way a "standard space marine". He is bigger than other marines. And was always one of the galaxies greatest warriors. And he is the chosen son of the chosen son. He is one of the only Space Marines with mettle enough to lead the traitor primarchs during the siege of terra.

[@Duppyman695]

@@jamesespinosa690 He is not a Primarch or clone of a Primarch or a Daemon Primarch!

[@jamesespinosa690]

@@Duppyman695 Never said he was bud. Read my comment. My objection was to you calling him "a standard space marine". He isn't and never has been.

[@Duppyman695]

@@jamesespinosa690 A man who is very tall is still a MAN! A Space Marine who is bigger and acheived more than most is still a Space Marine!

[@jamesespinosa690]

@@Duppyman695 I never said otherwise dummy. Just take the L mate. Abbadon is not in your own words "a standard Space Marine". He is bigger, stronger, more skilled, more respected, and more experienced than almost any other marine in existence. He is in almost every way exceptional. Yes he is still a space marine. Yes he is still a man. No he was not a 'true' clone, we know about his childhood. Could the Genewitches have pulled some shenanigans when 'upgrading' him. Possibly.

[@jordanabernethy3025]

Great video on my favorite character in all of Warhammer!

[@miguelperez9906]

Horus not his clone would have been preeminently injured by a death company chaplain.

[@jhanna9680]

Rho, I know read somewhere that Abaddon was only taller than his fellow Astartes, regarding his Top Knot. One of his fellow Captains, scoffed at him for this.

[@hurnn1543]

He certainly lives up to his dads legacy, failing hard.

[@johnweinhandl8890]

Rho? And coincidence with majorkills video? Are you guys working together?

[@Subject_Keter]

I swear these writers. You cant have your villain be a "Genius" if he accidently fell into success.. how are we appose to find him threatening if his plan could of been the holdo manuever?

[@acrossthetabletop5486]

Great content buddy.

[@harryallen1175]

Wounds, armament AND a top knot!

[@kayvaanmcsharrowkyn6901]

And REMEMBER....I'M NOT JUST THE HAIR CLUB LEGIONS WARMASTER....I'M ALSO A MEMBER.....(WAIT...SO YOU MADE ME A GENETICALLY ENHANCED SUPER SOLDIER...BUT THE WHOLE LEGION HAS MALE PATTERN BALDNESS NOW???) THATS A DEAL BREAKER!!! WHICH IS ALSO WHY "FLABBYDONG" GOT HIMSELF A HAIR SQUIG TOP KNOT!!

[@akirby2886]

I don’t see any space marine stand toe to toe against a Primarch. So the clone that he killed was poor and obviously not on a Primarchs level.

[@trajanfidelis1532]

I dont think so, but i wouldn't be surprised if GW retconned the lore to make it so.

[@madginger3634]

How did Abaddon beat the clone? Is that in a novel? If so which 1?

[@TheCorrodedMan]

He impaled it with the Talon of Horus. The clone wasn’t even salty about it either; he thanked Abbadon, and even called him his “One True son,” which pissed Abbadon off to no end since he hates Horus’s guts.

[@adrienwatson2179]

"The Talon of Horus" First of the new black legion novels Btw They are AMAZING Top 5 in all 40k IMHO

[@youthere7327]

he seemed to change after horus' death. maybe the gods gave him a shard of his soul or something

[@adrienwatson2179]

He stared at the Astronomicon for so long it turned his eyes gold, he has some sort of connection with the Emperor

[@paimonisfood4986]

Horus's soul has been deleted to idk how this happens

[@sheikmuhammad3894]

Well, Abby has gotten larger in stature. One can imagine the hereteks and armourers under his command complaining about having to make a whole new suit of Terminator armour for the man, and the last smirking about it.

[@benives254]

I hope someone kitbashes horus ascended into abaddon! Also, I hope we get black legion 3 soon too!

[@minnumseerrund]

"I *am* Saruman. Or rather, Saruman as he should have been."

[@angron666]

Thnaks Rho.

[@davidcirves3761]

He did get messed up bad at Terra and recovered quick. Horus in his borrowed powers may have helped. We will know more in the final books which being said will only push the lore more.

[@alphariusomegon404]

Yep, he is more the "purist" of Son's like we all have one or two, Dante for once is just as pure in soul like Sanguineous or Logan Grimnar, absolute independent as Loyal to the empire and his people.

[@pixelgun4789]

I know how weird it will sound. But your voice has calm effects on me.

[@arionofotherworld]

It wouldn't matter if he was a clone or not, because he's clearly not the same person in character. Also Space marines are effectively watered down clones of their Primarchs once they go through the process of becoming a Space marine anyway, with their genetics being overwritten and enhanced by their Primarchs geneseed.

[@justonhelf7513]

How is abaddon a clone when the Horus Hersey series has dialogue between them when abaddon joined the lunar wolves. And abaddone killed a literal clone that fabius bile created.

[@kennyleung9909]

Isn't the current Abaddon model the same size as Guilliman?

[@pyotrbagration2438]

Question is , who among the Luna Wolves had the ability to clone a Primarch given that only Fabious has managed to do it, somewhat.

[@pascal9055]

I mean the Sigismund thing is likely the absolute disproval of the theory. The idea that a primarch-level entity would take a grievous wound from a very old Sigismund, who couldn't really damage Fulgrim, while in his prime, and needed Rogal to intervene, makes the whole idea pretty ludicrous.

[@docvaliant721]

The whole 4d chess Abaddon seems to be a retcon of go in and smash Abaddon. Just blame it on the warp or PTSD. I imagine people prefer Huron over Abaddon.

[@Subject_Keter]

Huron actually has plans and knows how to fight vs Abaddon throwing a "Table" after losing so hard

[@soccerandtrack10]

He said "death to the false emporor." in horus rising.

[@sintaribat9350]

Guess who truly would know or be able to tell... Cypher and Luther.... having super warp powers now and yeah they met him...

[@metallixro]

Honestly I don't understand why this is even important. Even if he is, he doesn't seem to care and it doesn't seem to affect his actions. Also he would be a failed clone, not sure how clones work in 40K but a true clone somehow has the originals memory. And lastly, the whole concept just cheapens the Primarchs.

[@waynegoddard4065]

If the glove fits. The giant metal gun claw in this case.

[@captainflapjax7240]

I only know of Khayon from Vezimira's blursed works, but I must agree that his word is not to be trusted on this matter, he's a simp lmao

[@SarcasticChef83]

I think Iskander Khayon"s view is important he been with Abaddon and Horus for a long time and as Abaddon swells with more Choas i think he becomes more like Horus as he goes on

[@adrienwatson2179]

The biggest difference being The Emperor stuffed a warp god into Horus Lupercal Abbadon didnt have a god stuffed into his meat sack

[@ericmumper6821]

In “The Outcast Dead”, the Thunder Warrior is clearly messing with his genetics and trying to make new Thunder Warriors. Could Horus have done the same thing with Abaddon? Perhaps he’s an imperfect clone.

[@checkrsgreen2655]

Thematically, I don't think so. Horus failed in his attempt to overthrow the Emperor, and Abaddon's post-heresy identity is based on rejecting that failure and forging his own path. It's more interesting that he is just an astartes that came up from the gangs of Cthonia, becoming first captain, and then eventually warmaster in his own right. Him being a clone of Horus cheapens his accomplishments.

[@sorcierenoire8651]

Character assassination if they made Abaddon a Horus Clone💀💀

[@DemandAlphabetBeBrokenUp]

Fabius wasn't always corrupted. Who knows what Horus had him do way back then.

[@howdareyouexist]

the spiritual successor of horus

[@EuropanMind]

You are actually saying it correctly Wolf Lord. Ezekiel

[@yourapeeinguy8263]

well i mean, in a way they are all kinda sorta clones of their primarchs i dont know all the details but when they take the geneseed doesnt it kinda over write their mortal DNA, i know its pretty much stated for all legions that they look like their primarchs some more than others but that they all start to resemble their primarchs.

[@michaelhowell2326]

Could it be possible that Abaddon is the real biological son of Horus. Russ had wives. The Emperor had children. And I don't the lore ever directly says that Primarchs couldn't reproduce.

[@matthewmarsicano5301]

Close, but no cigar

[@jameskenny3024]

Nice! You and major kill!

[@AdamMichalMarkowski]

I think Abaddon being Horus clone would be more fitting for current lore. It is just a bit underwhelming that Astartes that got a lot of Chaos juice runs around subjugating Daemon Primarchs and is supposed to be serving as main enemy to Roboute Guilliman. Then again Guilliman got his shit pushed in all the time since he re-awakened so that might end up being the case.

[@adrienwatson2179]

He realistically could be Horus Primarchs power comes from their souls being warp gods If Abbadaon was a clone, without warp god sauce...could be. And yeah, at this point beating Guilliman is no feat at all

[@WR288]

Guilliman is losing to Daemon Primarchs explicitly because they got similar baseline stats to him AND chaos juice on top of that. Abbadon, with all his buffs, still had to put in serious effort to beat Calgar.

[@chrisrodgers855]

Seeing ghosts of the father through the son.

[@paimonisfood4986]

Aren't all Space Marines somewhat a clone of their primarch to some degree.

[@ROIBR]

Abaddon looks a lot like Horus in the Books, but "Little Horus" Aximand was even Closer to Horus Lupercal than Abaddon as stated many times in Horus Heresy Novels. Many in the Legion were named Horus since it was a Common Name on Cthonia. But in the Legion ther were few that looked like Horus and were given the Name as such. SO i dont think Abaddon is a Clone. I mean you can always rewrite Book of course. But still Aximand if there needs to be a Clone from and for Horus

[@fadedcolor7744]

I think Abbadon might be the "clone" of Horus in a metaphorical sense?

[@danielboatright8887]

Or maybe Abbadons just always been badass enough the rumors have just always been around.

[@jamesespinosa690]

This is it.

[@Jaszunai]

I don't think he's Horus' clone, but I think GW will continue to tease it without conforming one way or the other.

[@alexandersmith1264]

Nah, the only astartes standing primarch height are those standing next to alpharius

[@RSBurgener]

I don't think he's a clone. If he was, the Mourneval would never have missed nicknaming opportunity of "Little Horus" and "Literal Horus".

[@redcell2852]

It was already established years ago that Abaddon was no clone of horse despite the fact that Abaddon was the one that killed the clone of Horus.... fact.

[@Aries-n3v]

I am Abaddon I am Persian royalty Egyptian lineage

[@TheSpicyLeg]

Not a fan of Abbadon for many reasons. Most of all because it is ridiculous that Mortarion, Fulgrim, Magnus, and freaking Angron are running scared of him. It’s just ridiculous that a daemon-enhanced Primarch bows and scrapes to an up-jumped Astartes. For most of the lore, he was Failbbadon, now he’s being retconned into 4D chess master using the old “fail into success” stratagem.

[@Subject_Keter]

If throwing a massive starship is considered Big Brain writing.. maybe it time to clean out the Library.

[@adrienwatson2179]

People in the comments NEED to stop saying "Abbadon beat Horus" He really didnt Horus fought 50 Astartes before Abbadon 3 of them were Legendary named Astartes (A Emperors Childten blademaster, second to only Lucius) A monster world eater And a Sorcerer of the Thousand sons whos only superior is AHRIMAN A daemon wolf the size of a large horse A Banished Dark Aeldari assasin who was banished from commorrough (Seriously, what thr HELL kind of atrocities do you have to commit to be exiled from the most terrifying place in the galaxy) Side note The named Astartes have all killed 10 Astartes each solo without breaking a sweat These guys are the top 3 Warlords of the Black Legion Think Evil Cato Sicarius level 25 Rubric marines had MULCHED Horus until he was almoat pure bone and his armor had been torn off He had fought a squad of Khornite marines He fought a squad of GESTARAN elite. He was absolutly obliterated before he fought Abbadon Abbadon didnt beat him in a fight

[@fahadshamroukh]

This is incredible comedic timing. I just finished majorkill's video on this being one of the worst fan theories only for me to see you upload a video about it in the EXACT SAME DAY.

[@CoffeeForAll]

Abaddon has yet to achieve even a fraction of what The Beast managed in but a few years… Horus would not be impressed.

[@N0TYALC]

Opening the great rift is far more impactful than anything The Beast did, lad

[@benjaminrosario187]

Yes!! Glad you pronounced his name how they do it in the Black Legion series. Eze-KYLE.

[@gadrielvanorion9872]

i think abaddon could easily have been an actual child from horus it would make sense in a way horus feels himself the closest to the emperor, so he might want to have his own children the same way the emperor has having abaddon being a middle point between primarch and normal human so startes or above lvl makes sense at least to some point

[@jebadaiah1228]

he is a clone even if he doesnt know it

[@luckyflynt1646]

I am personally not super against this theory. It would explain why he is above other space marines. If he is a clone, he cannot be a perfect one, but that would still elevate him, right?

[@AdemTumerkan]

Anyone else think Abaddon is a very lame character? Held together by only Plot armor but not even in an interesting way.

[@AA-bn7tf]

Fly in my ear…

[@dww6]

Or maybe he is a son? A literal son with a mother somewhere. A mother not revealed for some time long after he was established? He's clearly not a clone.

[@TheOtherSteel]

No. The twenty Primarchs were created in a special project. Abaddon did not come into being in that manner.

[@davidmathieson8661]

Has there been anything to say the Primarchs can't have children naturally? We know Astartes are unable, but that doesn't mean the Primarchs would have to be. I know Abaddon was supposed to be the son of a king...whom he killed, but what if he wasn't the King's biological son, adopted or through infidelity Abaddon could be Horus's actual son, then with the geneseed implantation he took to it better than any other because he was already genetically close to Horus