This is an excellent review. ... I’ll just say, however, I’ve been in the ergonomic field for 40 years. I have worked extensively with, for example, classical string musicians with severe pain & dysfunction of the arms and hands. I saved a LOT of professional musical careers that would have ended due to so much pain in their arms & hands. ... For ME, these trackballs from Logitech are TOTALLY stress and tension reducing. Yet I can see where they would need some getting used to for SOME people. But the fact is the “reversible thumb” is designed to do a wide range of motions, whereas the wrists and other fingers are not. So I highly recommend giving these devices a try. But give it some time to adapt. ... A world class violinist who switches to a viola (almost identical except for a small size difference) can suffer quite a a lot of stress and pain for a period of time, even though there is very little difference in the instruments except being in little larger. But because their neuromuscular system is so used to one VERY precise pattern of movement, switching to an instrument that only requires a slight change in reach when playing is enough to trigger an sense of unfamiliarity, which can trigger a pain pattern. (The nervous system loves familiarity, and hates unfamiliarity.) For some people, even slight deviations of movement can produce a pain pattern even though NO real damage is actually occurring. So, don’t give up too soon if you try this device.
@bomcabedal3 жыл бұрын
Violist (and decades-long Logitech trackball user) here. I think part of the trouble is also the viola music itself, which is somewhat different from the violin repertory. Particularly in larger ensemble, there's a lot of repeating patterns.
@supertrexandroidx2 жыл бұрын
Definitely takes some getting used to, and I've discovered over the years that many people, when they try a mouse like this, simply don't adjust its settings appropriately for their needs. Just tweaking the pointer speed and trying it with and without the enhanced pointer precision in Windows can make a big difference. But it mostly just takes time to get used to. There's no way you're gonna just plug it in and it's going to feel right for you. Probably need a minimum of a week of regular usage before it starts to feel somewhat natural to use. For me, it's awkward when I go back to using a traditional mouse: too much moving around, and too easy to swing my camera in completely wrong directions when I'm playing a game. Plus I often play on my couch or bed and that can be difficult with a regular mouse. :)
@hackersarchangel2 жыл бұрын
I concur, switching to a trackball is a very different experience. My dad used one for a long time and whenever I worked on his computer I had to adjust myself. Ended up getting one for myself, and now I’m looking at this one to put in my bag for travel use. I think even for people who won’t have Windows and use an alternate OS (Linux or macOS) should consider dialing in the settings, it will really help. I’m also keen to try this with my iPad, since on that platform there isn’t much adjustment to be made.
@orbcontrol2 жыл бұрын
Hi David. Would you be willing to try out our new ergonomic product?
@78tag3 ай бұрын
@@supertrexandroidx ...one of the features I really like is that I can use this trackball set-up with my left hand when necessary without a problem. Using the 2/3 fingers on the left hand is no problem for me.
@michaellipkowitz51993 жыл бұрын
The M570 is my daily driver, so it's great to see this new one covered. I love the feel of a trackball but after a few years I can safely say the thumb-based positioning leaves something to be desired. I've been having more pain in my thumb and lower hand, so to hear an OT address this is really helpful. I think I'll check out the vertical mouse or a finger-based trackball. I also wish they had included a hardware DPI switch like a lot of trackballs now on the market. Thanks for making an honest review.
@xinyubao59652 жыл бұрын
I have both MX ERGO and ERGO M575. One is in my office and another is for home. As a 3D modeler, I really would like to recommend tracking ball mouses for people who have a workflow that heavily relies on mouse. It feels weird to use at the beginning, but after a couple of hours you will get used to it. Before I use a tracking ball mouse, my arm and the joint between my arm and palm could easily feel pain, nonetheless this problem was all solved by the tracking ball mouse like a magic. Now I can sit and work for hours without feeling the pain.
@EddieGooch2 жыл бұрын
Which one do you feel more comfortable? I'm still deciding which one to get.
@Ursus19852 жыл бұрын
@@EddieGooch I don't know if you've made your purchase yet, I have an M575 now, had the MX ergo. If either is going to be a desktop solution for you, I recommend the MX ergo with the caveat that the MX ergo uses a micro USB for charging. The adjustable angle is worth it. If it's a mobile solution, the M575. The battery life is long enough that it won't be a problem, 20 months on low-energy Bluetooth, or a full 24 months on the USB receiver.
@Righteous628 Жыл бұрын
Not all trackball mouses are created equal. The Logitech M575 is BY FAR,THE MOST SUPERIOR TRACKBALL MOUSE. IT HAS NO RIVALS. NONE.
@nikkig11464 ай бұрын
What are your thoughts on the vertical mouse? How does that design compare to the ERGO kind?
@Ghost19_3 жыл бұрын
If this is your first time experiencing a trackball, then it really is understandable if you are struggling with it esp with precision pointing. Trackball does takes time getting used to esp if you want to completely master it. For others, it's pure BS, for us who managed to love trackball and learned how to use minimal muscle effort, we LOVE it :)
@eduardopatricio3 жыл бұрын
Well said, I think a review from a trackball first timer should always consider that notion. Honestly I have no patience for people passing quick judgements on trackball devices like this. I stopped watching mid-video
@claudiojunior18533 жыл бұрын
You seem to understand the matter, I would like to ask a question about trackball mice; Did what the lady say about the little joints of the thumb wearing out faster make any sense? Thank you very much if you can give your feedback, as I'm looking to invest in a trackball for my laptop (I like and really dominate the trackpad) since certain functions a trackpad can't do, whether it's playing games or spending hours with one cross bone over the other lollll :D (I'm Brazilian, I hope my English is understandable)
@Ghost19_3 жыл бұрын
@@claudiojunior1853 her statement regarding the thumb wearing out is a very good example of a beginner or new to trackballs, you'd might experienced that at first but in time and with enough exposure or experience using it, you'd eventually realized that you really don't need to exert much effort when using a trackball :)
@gyzq3 жыл бұрын
@@claudiojunior1853 You can use a normal mice and trackball at the same time. So that so you can make your hands take turns to rest. For me that is, normal mice on my left, trackball on my right, and keyboard in the middle.
@morrisbennis6514 жыл бұрын
Holy sh*t I didn't know you can talk that long about a mouse
@SwitchandClickOfficial4 жыл бұрын
I can talk about anything
@michaelsmith69383 жыл бұрын
@@SwitchandClickOfficial It is not ergonomic, because the trackball is placed at thumb instead of middle index finger
@acsa7743 жыл бұрын
It helps to speak at about 10 WPM.
@IM_UK3 жыл бұрын
Shittt she still talking about it in the comments
@spol2 жыл бұрын
😂
@wadesmith30923 жыл бұрын
Had my first computer job 62 years ago. When PCs first showed up, I had my first mouse. It was obviously the "standard" configuration. As I grew older, I began to experience hand tremors. I was diagnosed with essential tremors. At that point, it became very difficult to control my mouse. The trackball mouse was a life saver. I have gone through a number of them and have just ordered the latest Logitech version.
@kbprojekty3 жыл бұрын
Could you share your experiences with the ones you had? Which ones were particularly good/bad and why?
@gothicm3rcy4263 жыл бұрын
so...... pc showed up 62 years ago? erm.... I think not
@kchinthaka89753 жыл бұрын
@@gothicm3rcy426 computer job 62 years ago. Not PC. LOL
@kchinthaka89753 жыл бұрын
@Wade Smith: reminds me of the car mechanics who used to remove over-tightened wheels using wrenches (no pneumatic those days) and had to give jab with the underside of the palm to loosen nuts. Over time some developed issues with wrist and had to resort to office duties
@beactivebehappy98944 жыл бұрын
good to see that yt is now promoting better quality underrated content... Happy to see this change coming...
@subramoniams98503 жыл бұрын
I had a severe pain in my arm and shoulder with a Apple mouse in just a couple of days and it went to the storage. The pain vanished after I switched to Logitech M570. Using it since nearly 7 years. No fatigue as you said. No issues with smaller movements of cursor especially doing some CAD work and things after using it for a few days.
@bomcabedal3 жыл бұрын
The (more expensive) MX Ergo has a "fine movement" button which can really help you even more in CAD or design work.
@sukhmaidickoff2 ай бұрын
I agree - I had pain in biceps and shoulder too - and after switching to the Ergo 575 it was basically gone within a few weeks.
@RabbitInRed2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for a really informative review. I am a Logitech Trackball fan (any model) for a few decades. I think I have the first one I ever bought that still works. The trick is to remember that the keys and other buttons on what we use don't need a heavy touch. I already had carpel tunnel before I ever used it. It has helped me not get worse. I am administrative assistant/typist - it saved my hands. Again, thanks for the lesson on occupational therapy.
@lesliemilthorpe3 жыл бұрын
This is the best review i have found on the M575. I liked that she explained the benefits and the realistic expecation that it can take some time to get used to it which was my experience. Also she went into the software which none of the other reviews did. I also go the logi K860 keyboard which also takes some time to get used to. I like them both. If you have to do precise editing, then have an alternate mouse to do that with
@juliarice40314 жыл бұрын
I have been using this mouse for over 15 years I am a 62 yr old lady who has been in two car accidents with neck issues. I still work 40 to 70 hours a week in Autocad and Excell. Could not work those hours without a trackball mouse. I do not always leave mouse on table top, I tie the mouse to my hand with rubber band or hair tie mouse will work in the air, rested on your leg, held behind your head! Anywhere you can click it! No need to keep it flat on table too to make it work!
@gothicm3rcy4263 жыл бұрын
good for you:) Im learning sketchup pro and autocad and with using a laptop and surface, a trackball is the way to go
@willb83434 жыл бұрын
Wow your A roll quality has really improved recently, been loving the consistent content.
@SwitchandClickOfficial4 жыл бұрын
I appreciate that!
@toddmartin70303 жыл бұрын
Awesome! Just bought this mouse today and found this review by someone with a lot of qualifications to do a great review!
@stevenorlikowski5984 жыл бұрын
I've been using the original M570 for over 5 years now. I have a technique for using it that reduces thumb fatigue. I hover my wrist above the desktop, and I move my hand around a little bit as I control the ball with my thumb. I tried the MX Ergo, but I returned it because its grippy surface made it harder to slide my hand around.
@supertrexandroidx4 жыл бұрын
I've been using 570's and Ergo for over a decade now. I have two other "regular" mice that I very occasionally try using for one reason or the other, but it seems like too much effort after a while, all that moving about, ha ha. These trackballs just take time to get use to, and not just a few days, and you have to experiment a little with what settings work best for you. With the Logitech's, in Windows, a cursor speed of 12 is ideal for me, striking the right balance between speed and smoothness, with "Enchanced pointer precision" checked.
@junec.79904 жыл бұрын
Good job! I have not been able to make the decision for a long time. But your clip refreshes my opinion on ergonomical devices.
@SwitchandClickOfficial4 жыл бұрын
Thanks!
@OGBhyve4 жыл бұрын
Thanks so much for this review. I appreciate it as I've had limited experience with trackball mice like this. One product for a few weeks. My experience matches yours where I found it frustrating how hard it was to perform smaller precise movements.
@SwitchandClickOfficial4 жыл бұрын
Thanks for sharing!
@ninetenscoffee578010 ай бұрын
from my experience, trackpad is actually the most ergonomics because our hands does not forced to stay horizontally. Since our middle finger is longer, it becomes the pointer and when you rest the palm it naturally want to rest on right, then since your ring finger is shorter, when you want to apply double touch for right click, your hand automatically making a 45 degree angle. So the take way here is to use the right corner of your middle and ring finger.
@mosharv2 жыл бұрын
Really enjoyed this video, it was very refreshing to get a keeb enthusiast's take on this ergo mouse! Cool to hear about your education background and found the review much more enjoyable without the goofy voices, would love to see more content like this
@SwitchandClickOfficial2 жыл бұрын
Awesome, thank you!
@yobanyhernandez125 Жыл бұрын
"harder time on old school Runescape" exactly what I needed to know! thank you!! you gained a new sub and hope your enjoying leagues trail blazers reloaded!
@kanishkgaming00072 жыл бұрын
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@kanishkgaming00072 жыл бұрын
Please reply i am waiting for your reply
@SwitchandClickOfficial2 жыл бұрын
Thank you ☺️
@notpublic71494 жыл бұрын
Couple months ago, I switched from an older model of this trackball to a gaming mouse. I am happy with the change. Although I used the trackball for many many years and this newer version I am sure will be great for quite a few people.
@SwitchandClickOfficial4 жыл бұрын
I agree! It's pretty affordable too
@jesuscostantino29252 жыл бұрын
I started using thumb trackballs back in high school (I'm now in my late 40s). I use them for gaming and for work. For me, they're all about convenience and space-saving. Ergonomics is, as you say, all about the individual.
@bbfreak83672 жыл бұрын
I work on my computer for multiple hours per day (8-10 hrs/day 5-6 days per week on average), My Occupational therapist advised me to have at least 2 mice or even better 3, offering different positions. and change mice every 3 hrs. also to change mice when I am standing vs seated, I got the master 3, the m575 and a Anker vertical mouse. Been working great so far.
@KenImduaikiat3 жыл бұрын
I've been using logitech thumb trackball for over 2 decades. Yes since they first launched. I also went through a handful of mouse and touch pads as well as tablets. Half of my work on the computer is on photo editing. I can only say that it takes a bit of time to get the hang of controling the curser wtg your thumb. For general use the model that ypu are reviewing will do well, but for high presion works, you'll need the more pricy MX ERGO model. That tb came with a resolution button. It toggles between normal resolution and fine resolution where normal will be like any trackball and in fine resolution the cursor move slowly and smoothly. I have one in the office and one at home. Highly recomended.
@SwitchandClickOfficial3 жыл бұрын
Oooh switching between normal and fine resolution seems awesome
@eagolАй бұрын
I work from home for many years. Using a mouse not only affects you wrist but also shoulder muscles near the neck. If you are a right-hander, place your left hand fingers over the muscles near the neck of y0ur right shoulder, you can feel the muscle reacts when you using the mouse, and my problem started from there. My daily work requires a lot of screen browsing more than typing, and after switching a trackball, I can easily manage my work with the trackball placed at the right handrest of my chair.
@LightPink4 жыл бұрын
Some people like using linear mouse acceleration with their trackballs to help with finer movements
@MrGamer902103 жыл бұрын
I am using MX Ergo for 2,5 years (it's more premium version of this trackball) and I can't recommend the thing enough! I am feeling very weird using regular mice, and the best thing is that you don't need a lot of space for it - heck, you can operate it from your lap or something if you wish. So definitely reccomend everyone to at least try trackballs, and this one is really affordable, which is a great bonus!
@saepiumv38133 жыл бұрын
Was wondering if you get any thumb pain using the mx ergo?
@MrGamer902103 жыл бұрын
@@saepiumv3813 actually, not, nothing like that. If I'm very aggressive with my movements, my thumb gets fatigued a little, but that is to be expected - that's it.
@saepiumv38133 жыл бұрын
@@MrGamer90210 Thank you for taking the time to answer.
@MrGamer902103 жыл бұрын
@@saepiumv3813 glad to be helpful!
@bomcabedal3 жыл бұрын
This M575 does feel a lot flimsier than the Ergo, mind you, but it's also roughly twice as expensive.
@inksnake15583 жыл бұрын
I recently started to follow your channel. Great Zen vibe content.
@MrIMajella3 жыл бұрын
I would love to see you cover more trackball mice and/or mice in general. To hear your opinion helps a lot, considering your credentials. Great review!
@lenguyenphi3 жыл бұрын
I've been using the m570 for more than 10 years and changed iit's switches 2-3 times, now is time for a upgrade. Thanks for your amazing review.
@fcelas4 ай бұрын
bought the 575 because of your review, thanks! kind weird in the beginning tho, but after some time i’m loving it
@Paz_Y_Pax4 ай бұрын
This is really helpful, thanks!
@chapileite3 жыл бұрын
Thanks a lot for the tons of insight on the mouse! I am probably getting a used MX Ergo to explore the world of trackballs
@edwizard623 жыл бұрын
Great review. Love your voice. I can listen to you talk all day :)
@jasoncabreros9 ай бұрын
Thanks for the review. I've been using the MX Vertical for a couple of years now and I wanted to see if there was something better (also quieter). I haven't tried a trackball mouse but I could see my thumb getting fatigued. I may still try one.
@geoffrey-alcampbell84152 жыл бұрын
Excellent video! Appreciate the expert review!
@SwitchandClickOfficial2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for watching!
@peksean104 жыл бұрын
A great advantage to trackballs is saving desk space. It really makes a lot difference since you don't need a mousepad. Can't go back to normal mice unless I really need precision like when im gaming.
@SwitchandClickOfficial4 жыл бұрын
Yeah definitely, it's just not great for my hands
@magnolia29573 жыл бұрын
I m using Ergo M570 since 5 years and I dont event think about changing it. It solved my hand pain since a second I switched and the issue has NEVER came back. As you said it is a very personal choice and I'm lucky to fit this solution. I wish that everone will get aware what works for them because the classical models with long usage can be very harmful (linking with what you explain at the begining).
@karimelghonemy Жыл бұрын
Great and comprehensive one Thank you 🙏🏻
@SwitchandClickOfficial Жыл бұрын
Your'e welcome, thank you for watching!
@SigururArniSvanbergsson Жыл бұрын
Very helpful review, thanks.
@SwitchandClickOfficial Жыл бұрын
glad it was helpful!
3 жыл бұрын
Great review. I have been looking to swap to a trackball for a while now, but still not taken the plunge. I think, after watching the review I might still keep with my regular mouse. I have been using mice for over 10 years now and, honestly, I have never had anything hurting from using the mouse. I sometimes use the mouse for over 12 hours a day ( I suffer with really bad insomnia,) and, as I said it never gives me any problems. Maybe I am one of the lucky ones.
@TonyThomas100004 жыл бұрын
Betty...the queen of THOCC! Thank you so much for your very informed professional analysis. I have the M570 and my experience is similar. I have found that you can improve the precision by adjusting the pointer speed in your mouse setup, but that comes at the expense of more thumb movement and fatigue. For some things the trackball works well, but not for everyday use IMHO unless you want to use it in conjunction with a normal mouse.
@SwitchandClickOfficial4 жыл бұрын
You are welcome!
@ravikartheek8084 Жыл бұрын
But where is the video of actual usage of the mouse ?
@misterxenon50684 жыл бұрын
I had the accuracy problem with my M570 as well but that problem is completely gone with my Kensington Orbit mouse. The centered balls tend to be more accurate in fine-tuned motions as per my experience.
@victorbarnes68983 жыл бұрын
After having pain using a regular mouse, I switched to a trackball for thumb about 25 years ago. Never had a problem again but the funny thing is when a friend tries my mouse, they can't use it. They really have a hard time with it. It's a big adjustment at first but after a while, normal mouses feel stupid in your hand. The normal mouse is just dumb, takes up too much real-estate, and constantly needs repositioning to get the cursor to move across the screen. I can put the trackball on my leg or a chair arm or anywhere and not have to worry about moving it. Having someone give so little time to what is the best mouse design by far is what I consider to be a bad review. It takes time but you will not go back. It's just that much better.
@rsporsche3 жыл бұрын
I can relate to that, I switched to a Logitech M570 about 5 years ago after I got to the point where I could hardly work with a mouse anymore, it's been a life saver. I switched to the MX Ergo shortly after and I actually prefer it a lot over the M570 because it feels a bit larger and fits my hand better. Took me about a week to get the hang of it which was quicker than I expected although it's still not great for certain applications like FPS games and drawing. Funny thing is, I have a normal mouse connected to my PC for 'guests' at work (i.e. the IT team), but they're always too proud to use it and struggle on with the trackball, lol. Also find it convenient that I don't need to move the trackball around my messy desk to use it.
@g54003 жыл бұрын
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@PsychoFisho3 жыл бұрын
Repeat for emphasis; use thumb and index finger on the ball (simultaneously) and your middle and 4th finger will naturally rest on the L/R buttons. Try it !
@zapa30863 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the explanations, I'm from Brazil and it helped me a lot.
@williamchin59042 жыл бұрын
Informative. Thank you!
@SwitchandClickOfficial2 жыл бұрын
Glad you think so
@LandsOfDespair4 ай бұрын
Thank you, that is the best review I've seen for such a mouse :) I guess it's not very good idea to put so much stress on a single joint, this can lead to more problems in even moderate amount of time :(
@H2Dwoat Жыл бұрын
Hi, I am looking at this mouse currently. I have used the previous M570. I bought one for work and ended up buying a couple for computers at home. There was definitely a learning curve for fine work but larger movements were intuitive. I did find some initial muscle pain but that soon settled down and I think it was due to using a different group of muscles and hand position. Having used it for several years I won’t go back to a non trackball.
@BlueDragon552 жыл бұрын
I have been using thumb trackball devices for over 20 years. This is because I initially was working on an extremely narrow work station that did not afford a lot of room to use a regular mouse. I have never encountered the issues described in this video. i guess I am lucky.
@winchester94324 жыл бұрын
I remember those back in the 90's. I didn't take to them back then and I don't think I will be using it now. Thanks for the review. It was very comprehensive.
@SwitchandClickOfficial4 жыл бұрын
You bet!
@jonedow2381 Жыл бұрын
Nice video, subbed. Keep up with the good work, chị 👍
@computertoucher3 жыл бұрын
I just got one of these recently and have to agree with the point about the thumb fatigue. I also have issues with the overall hand shape, which in my case causes an additional problem: constant accidental right clicks. If I simply relax my hand with it resting on the mouse, I right click. So to avoid that, I have to consciously lift my middle finger upwards to avoid it... which obviously is extremely uncomfortable. Not for me.
@Righteous628 Жыл бұрын
This Logitech M575 is by far the absolute BEST trackball mouse. It is THE BEST. I have been using it 2 1/2 Yrs. This has no rival.
@zeta.x7124 жыл бұрын
I’m so glad to find a woman reviewer!! Ergonomics are so personal but it also doesn’t help to see so many men reviewers with bigger hands. Keep at it!!
@SwitchandClickOfficial4 жыл бұрын
You are so welcome!
@qdaniele972 жыл бұрын
Give a look at Perixx's Perimice-520. It's cheaper and slightly bigger than the M570/M575 but even more confortable as it comes with magnetic stands to adjust the hight and angle (a bit like Logitech MX Ergo). You can find it in either a wired or wireless version and I greatly suggest the wired one as I don't really see the point in wasting money on batteries or having to deal with finicky wireless connections for something that's supposed to stay put on your desk without ever moving. Also the ball is the Peripro-303 which is exactly the same size as the one in the M570/M575 and my go-to replacement for Logitech ones when they wear out.
@swshaffer123 жыл бұрын
If you have Windows, you can go in and manually adjust your mouse sensitivity settings. Precision pointing has less to do with the mouse itself, and more to do with your level of control and your sensitivity settings. If it's your first time using a trackball, it makes sense that you wouldn't like the precision. It takes some getting used to. Just keep using it and adjust your mouse sensitivity as needed until it works for you.
@jenserikbech Жыл бұрын
Thank you for your review. I bought the Logi m650 equipped with the new usb dongle "Bolt" Beside that it is a Bluetooth Mouse. I have a logi keyboard too running "BOLT" But strangely enough both devices runs best on basic Bluetooth. The Bolt receiver interferes with other Bluetooth devices like a loud speaker and induces fault. Drop "Bolt" and stick with the clean Bluetooth options.
@AlanDike2 жыл бұрын
570 is my daily driver... Gonna have to disagree a bit.. Using a mouse you run into issues with folks using their wrists vs their elbow or full arm. Full arm will negate any rsi issues, but most people get lazy and get wrist issues because they only use the wrist to mouse. The track ball, at least the m570, supports my hand in a natural position. A perfectly vertical position isn't your bodies natural position any more than perfectly flat, the hand, when by your side, is at about a 45 degree angle. I dunno about the 575, but the 570 allows for that same close to 45 degree position. That 575 has adjustable dpi... did you try upping that when you were trying to do precision work? The thumb.. was it stress OR was it lack of use and now using it pain (trust me, I know that pain, I'm doing PT now from an ORIF surgery). You don't use the thumb like that often.. so you're working muscles you didn't work before. I use it 8 hours a day, and still on the original battery from about 2018...
@mrgVideosAR3 жыл бұрын
Happy to see you again. In na case I have the old M570 and the Logi MX Ergo. The second one has a better adjustable working position that may help you feeling more comfortable with it. Also you can switch the resolution via a switch for those not easy high precise small movement. I really like them a lot and in my case I just prefer using both of them more than any other mouse at home or office. Just carry the MX Ergo with me all the time. I guess should be a good choice to try the MX Ergo. If not possible, the vertical that you are using should do the magic for you. Is the same for the keyboards, mechanical are very adjustable to fine tune the feeling, but for me, split ortholinear are the way to go.
@kccatalan84496 ай бұрын
Thx for the extensive review..It's kind'a long though..I started nodding off after being half through. I don't think the review needs to be this long. But it was a good review. TY
@ander1724 жыл бұрын
So at first look seems good option, But question is that instead of carpal tunnel you get another thumb issues. So I am not sure if this really have some benefits. Yes best option to check and try.
@garrettglass88543 жыл бұрын
I find the trackball mice to be very helpful for use in a comfy chair. Fits nicely on my chairs armrest.
@chengli16332 жыл бұрын
I've tried all kinds of trackballs and nothing beats the old Logitech trackman marble FX with X-Mouse buttons software to map the middle button to scrolling.
@zaheedhasib Жыл бұрын
My setup right now, an MX Ergo and an HHKB Hybrid Type-s in white snow and blank keycaps. Finally I am fully wire free (with airpods pro 2 finalizing the mic/speaker combo).
@manuelbf5108 ай бұрын
About two years ago, the mouse buttons started to fail. The metal components used in the buttons are of very low quality. I had to buy a cheap mouse in an emergency, and more than two years later, it still works. However, I do miss the ergonomics of the trackball mouse.
@Techx43 жыл бұрын
I find it sad that Logitech doesn't make a left handed version of this trackball. I'd buy it in a heartbeat. I've been with them for years but all they recommend for me are ambi mice. C'mon Logitech, think about us lefties.
@ah8348k2 жыл бұрын
Try L-Trac. I am right handed and I can use the L-Trac fairly well with my left hand. I actually use a Logitech Vertical and when my right hand gets tired I switch to my left hand and use the L-Trac.
@mattheModest4 жыл бұрын
If you would consider calmer music or perhaps no music your reviews would go really great as ASMR :)
@SwitchandClickOfficial4 жыл бұрын
Maybe I'll try a few videos without music at all :P
@mattheModest4 жыл бұрын
@@SwitchandClickOfficial Seriously tho, that sounds like a great idea. At least to me!
@jimmyjam-vc6rf Жыл бұрын
The first time I tried a trackball 15 years ago i absolutely hated it but they are now a life saver! It definitely takes some getting used to and even trying a couple different brands. What you said about this particular trackball I completely agree with - it easily moves across the screen but has some difficulty when you need to be accurate or precise. I've tried another trackball with the opposite issue - hard to move across the screen but very accurate when precision is needed. Anyway the main takeaway from your video and using them over the last week is that there is a tradeoff, accuracy for comfort/ergonomics, which at this point in my life I am able to take a chance on them, and so far it has paid off! I just need an ergo keyboard but I'll let my brain master the trackball first LOL Great video! Thanks for sharing your knowledge and opinion!
@Tom-Travels3 жыл бұрын
I use this and a regular mouse side by side. Solves the fine tuning problem.
@meyeame8956 Жыл бұрын
My problem was never the wrist issue I have is my ring finger "squeezing" a normal mouse which created ligament issues between the ring and pinky (very painful arthritic feeling). I've now tried several vertical mice and I still find my hand involuntarily squeezing to move it around/lift it for movement during day to day use. That's why I am now forced to use a trackball for work use at least since you never have to move it or lift it. Now just to find if finger or thumb is going to be the right way to go....
@mbvx73 жыл бұрын
I have been using this mouse since it was wired and had a red ball. I have been using each evolution of this mouse for 10-15 year? I can't even remember when the first one came out, but I have used nothing but this model of track ball since the first day of using it. BEST MOUSE EVER
@bomcabedal3 жыл бұрын
Sure. And you can even exchange the differently colored balls between the old cabled model, the M570, the 575 and the MX Ergo.
@JoVeda_xo2 жыл бұрын
Good reviewerrr
@SwitchandClickOfficial2 жыл бұрын
Thanks!
@axllebeer3 жыл бұрын
I love my trackball. I use the m570 at work and then I got the m575 for myself to use at home and on the go. I prefer the trackball to a standard mouse for gaming as well.
@o_o68693 жыл бұрын
very good indeed keep up with good work fellow being.
@SwitchandClickOfficial3 жыл бұрын
Thank you fellow being
@TheKevinFanClub5264 жыл бұрын
Long time M570 user. I had similar thumb pain the first 2 month in. I kept using it and haven't had any pain for the past 4 years. I like the bigger form factor of the M575, meanwhile comparing to the M570 which is usually 25-30 dollars, unless the internals of the M575 is better, at least I'm not sold on it. The M570 is cheaply made, but once you swap out both microswitches, it will last for years.
@lenguyenphi4 жыл бұрын
I swaped my switches with 20M Omron ones and I have been using it for 4 years too. One drop of WD40 for each switch will help your switches may works over their rated durability.
@TheKevinFanClub5264 жыл бұрын
@@lenguyenphi Nice
@greyareaRK14 жыл бұрын
Very interesting. I find having a wider stance with my arms (due to using a full size keyboard) helps obviate stress on my wrists and thumb as they're more in line with my elbows. (You need a decent sized desk to do this.) It's for that reason that I'm considering a split ergo keyboard. I wonder if tactile switches for mice will become a topic of interest in future?
@RalphLovegrove4 жыл бұрын
I use the M570 and a HHKB (which brings the right hand position closer than a full or TKL board). I tried also mousing with the left hand which alleviated some fatigue but caused other issues. I've suffered radial and ulnar pain and the best fix is to learn how to use the KB to achieve as many tasks as possible, learn to touch type, have the right desk height and set up the monitor to you can see at a reasonable distance. But this design does help at least with avoiding pronating the hand. I'm thinking of building a wooden wedge to increase the angle of the trackball.
@SwitchandClickOfficial4 жыл бұрын
Nice to know! I'm also using a HHKB currently, definitely digging the layout of it
@DarrenKrusi4 жыл бұрын
Will you be trying the MX Ergo? There's a dpi switch button that you may find useful when needing to do those small/fine movements. Also could be because you aren't getting enough of an angle with the M575 especially if you found the Vertical comfortable, my wife uses the Vertical and loves it as she gets no wrist issues using it whereas I champion the Ergo and it's variants die to pain at my elbow. I feel you should give the Ergo a try because it has the adjustable angles and dpi switch that may improve your QOL when working. The Ergo plus which is apparently only available at Best Buy in the increases the angle another 10° which I would love to get a hold of but may just get someone to build a vertical base for it as I'm in Australia.
@SwitchandClickOfficial4 жыл бұрын
Not anytime soon
@mdeboer6453 Жыл бұрын
If your hand gets tired you're using it wrong, I have it on 60% speed and feels fine 5 days into using it. 50% didn't feel great, but more speed somehow gives more control even for micro movements which shouldn't make sense but does.
@j.lietka94062 жыл бұрын
I have been using a track ball on & off for years. Its easier to use, have better pointer movement, comfortable, cool looks, etc. Thank you for the in depth review!
@SwitchandClickOfficial2 жыл бұрын
Thank you for watching!
@j.lietka94062 жыл бұрын
@@SwitchandClickOfficial very welcome & belated happy Valentine's day 🌹
@RamonOchoaMusic4 жыл бұрын
Excellent video Betty. The wired version of this has been around for many years, pre-scroll wheel and forward/back buttons. This or the Marble trackman (not sure if this is still offered) were the Logitech options. Kensington also has a few variations but it's been a while since I had to support them at work.
@SwitchandClickOfficial4 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the suggestions!
@mariorossi9300 Жыл бұрын
I think it's also a question of habit and personal preference, I completely stopped using regular mice way back in 1996 when I got my first Trackman Marble, and in almost 3 decades I've only kept buying new trackballs, I get uncomfortable just by looking at people using a mouse. Excluding the wrist pose itself, why would you move your whole hand and forearm, instead of only your thumb? It's just inefficient.
@baronbarbaron3 жыл бұрын
Nice and relatively comprehensive review. It took me personally about 2 days to get completely used to trackball. On the third I set it more precisely with "Set Point", which allows quite good customization. I have been using the M570 for almost a year. In my opinion, despite the manufacturer's claim, the M575 is a downgrade. I have a friend who bought an M575 and we exchanged them for a few days. We both get the impression that the 570 is more comfortable, although the difference is small, it exists. I'm sorry that logitech have this bad policy, instead of continuing their successful products, to "Upgrade" them. I have a K350 keyboard from the same manufacturer. Extremely comfortable and ergonomic, all my friends want one, but Logitech no longer offers it. Instead, they offer "upgrades" again, but none of my friends prefer them compared to the k350.
@bomcabedal3 жыл бұрын
I think Logitech diversified towards the more expensive MX Ergo and the M575 - the former really feels like an upgrade from the 570: sturdy, high-quality materials, adjustable position, fine-adjust button, etc., while the M575 is its cheaper sister and feels flimsier than either the Ergo or the M570. I have both now, the Ergo at home and the M575 at the office.
@vu_derArchitekt2 жыл бұрын
hey bạn, how about the heavy click of middle button, I have mx vertical, happy with its inclined form but the middle click is so heavy, I must click and hold the middle button a lot when using 3d modeling software and now I m thinking about switching to mx lift or mx ergo/ m575.
@theknightthatgoeshmm31274 жыл бұрын
A bit of a non-sequitur but with your OT qualifications what is your opinion on the staggered vs grid keyboard layout? A lot of arguments tend to stem from staggered being a carryover from typewriters and grid being more efficient and aesthetically pleasing, without actually answering the question. What is your take on the subject? Is a grid layout actually better than staggered from an ergonomics perspective?
@SwitchandClickOfficial4 жыл бұрын
It still boils down to preference. I do not think the staggered layout is as bad as people think. It's not like your finger joints can go diagonal anyways, it just results in more hand movement around the board. The grid layout does decrease hand and wrist movement though, which can result in better wrist positioning. However, I've tried it and it poses a significant threat to my typing speed. I've also tried Dvorak for a few days and it caused more pain than it's worth for my right wrist. So like always, there's no one size fits all on ergonomics. That's why there are professionals who do individual assessments, treatments, and trainings.
@theknightthatgoeshmm31274 жыл бұрын
@@SwitchandClickOfficialThat makes alot of sense, thank you for your take on that.
@mandy9112 ай бұрын
Why nobody showing how it works on display😢
@MrEternalFool4 жыл бұрын
The subscriber count is rising fast!
@SwitchandClickOfficial4 жыл бұрын
Thanks!
@bikrgran Жыл бұрын
I have just gotten a Macbook Pro M2, and operate in a recliner, so a mouse, per se, isn't really practical. I have a Logitech M570, and the ball has never been very accurate. None of the mice/balls I have work well with the Mac. Have you used this with the Mac? How consistently does it work? Everything I have is sporadic. I don't really want to spend $100, and the track pad is painful to use, if used a lot. Thanks! This video, is not new, so I'm just crossing my fingers that someone with experience in this, will reply. Thanks!
@notinajaronmars2 жыл бұрын
Regarding the twisted wrist (pronation) thing though…. This mouse doesn’t really get your forearm out of that position “muscle knot “ causing position right? I been using a new contraption called a vertical mousepad where you use a regular mouse on that turns your arm 60 degrees. Check it out. I hope it helps you guys with your mouse using discomforts. It’s called orb control mouseramp.
@Xero_Wolf3 жыл бұрын
I picked up one of these today unintentionally. I needed a new mouse and I saw this one with the trackball. Silly me thinking it was a combo type setup with the trackball and a regular laser mouse. Rather than just return it I was like it's worth a try. I can say right off the bat the precision movements are harder. I do a lot of video editing and graphics work so fast precise clicking is very important. I'm only been using it about an hour now so so I'll give it a couple days and see how it grows on me.
@SwitchandClickOfficial3 жыл бұрын
Hope it works out for you :)
@Mr_3raqi4 жыл бұрын
I've used one of these mice before, they're certainly not for everyone, with these types of mice, if you use them for extended periods of time, your thumb muscles will get tired pretty fast, and may even trigger an old injury like in your case. but I would think it will be useful for someone that works in a small area that you can't use a normal mouse in because of the cluttered work environment or small workspace, Or as you said, people may use it to go around some sort of injury they have. love your videos btw :) And thanks for the detailed and extensive review (like always)
@SwitchandClickOfficial4 жыл бұрын
Thanks!
@RS-chino2 жыл бұрын
Great video
@SwitchandClickOfficial2 жыл бұрын
Thanks!
@infin1ty8502 жыл бұрын
It's funny, I always got crap about using for using a trackball for gaming. One I got used to it, I never wanted to go back to a standard mouse. Twitch memory is so much easier and frankly, I haven't played a game that twitch movements have mattered since I was younger.
@blake112x4 жыл бұрын
I think the real appeal for this mouse would be the ability to move the cursor without moving the mouse itself. So that means this mouse could be used on any surface. So maybe you have a setup in your bedroom, leaving room, or maybe outside (on-sight somewhere) that a proper mouse would not function as well with nomal arm movement. It seemed odd to focus the reason on why you would buy this mouse becuase of pain caused buy using a standard mouse.
@mtbunny-yt4 жыл бұрын
Will you be doing an index finger trackball at some point? I'm curious how it compares to a thumb trackballs.
@SwitchandClickOfficial4 жыл бұрын
Maybe deeply in the future, but someone on our team does specialize in trackballs and has had lots of experience switchandclick.com/2020/11/07/thumb-vs-finger-trackball/
@migalexdiaz3 жыл бұрын
I searched youtube for reviews on these trackball mice, thinking I'd look at a few opinions from average people using them. I happened to click on this one first and I was pleasantly surprised to find such an expert on the matter reviewing it. Thank you!
@cujotwentysix75194 жыл бұрын
Great to see that Logitech have refreshed their trackballs. Hopefully it's not as expensive as the MX Ergo, which I shelled out way too much money for
@SwitchandClickOfficial4 жыл бұрын
It's about $50
@cujotwentysix75194 жыл бұрын
@@SwitchandClickOfficial I have no idea what mine would have cost in the states, but it was the equivalent of about twice that
@DarrenKrusi4 жыл бұрын
@@cujotwentysix7519 paid $150 for mine in Australia and I did that twice for home and office. If it keeps for 7 years I consider that money well spent for less elbow pain which is what I got
@rogersmith14703 жыл бұрын
@@DarrenKrusi ditto
@rockereivanivan3 жыл бұрын
Vertical mouses didn't work for me for the fact that whenever I use a regular mouse, I tent to move it with my fingers instead of my palm, and more so if I try to move the mouse downwards, I just use my fingers like a claw and pull them back to me. But using the vertical mouse I couldn't make this movement like that, so it felt very weird using it and now its collecting dust unfortunately.