Is Ansurek even Possible? Enrage at 15?! Race to World First Recap Day 11

[@SunniestAutumn]

Hyped for Ansurek to drop to 10% and then channel an Azerite shield for herself and spawn Halondrus bombs.

[@ungulatemanalpha]

"Death comes for the soul of your world" and a soak line appears - by god, it's the Jailer with a steel chair!

[@kayladecant7332]

Don’t be ridiculous - she’ll summon Halondrus itself

[@raechu_01210]

secret mythic phase where when you get her to 10% AND everyone in your raid has arachnophobia mode turned on, Xalatath shows up, says something about how she doesn't like spiders either, and turns Ansurek into Halondrus

[@chrishales3152]

She starts throwing Painsmith axes also.

[@zirngibel3596]

and the jailer too ​@@kayladecant7332

[@KharnTheBtrayer]

Im taking first comment slot to say its so good seeing you and tettles back together as a long time titanforge fan!

[@craynak]

Argal Tal remembers you brother.

[@eltzerbridge9037]

I miss titanforge!

[@amnaeldnd4376]

These recaps are top notch quality. Mad props for what you two are doing.

[@aar021]

You guys are such a dynamic duo. Lowe watching you interact.

[@joep5454]

I like what they've been doing with bosses just phasing on a timer instead of health %. It means every single moment of the fight boss damage matters and you want to squeeze everything out of every phase maximally, instead of just having to blast the fuck out of last phase specifically.

[@seifyk]

I think we had s stigma against "dances" for too long.

[@lactoseintolerantgaming2711]

Well, she does phase on health percent, it is just that no one is getting her down to that percent on Mythic before the timer kicks in. You can see it on normal when a heroic guild is just clearing for specific gear. Even with 3 healers they won't even come close to triggering it on Mythic, which may be an indicator that she is a bit overtuned.

[@daniellucas5522]

@@lactoseintolerantgaming2711 Nah, the health % is a backup option to prevent screwy things from occurring if you skip the entire 2nd phase. It's not part of the intended progression of the fight. You've got more time to damage the boss in P3 than you do in P1, you're not supposed to get the boss to 1/3 hp in P1.

[@KrispyNuggetBoutique]

I think the only nerf you can do that doesn't directly affect the RWF is increasing the enrage timer

[@zacharycarter5226]

Thanks Drat and Tettles. Love these recap videos. Been catching parts of the race throughout the work days but these are super helpful! GGs go LIQUID!

[@BuboStabbins]

i love you guys. this is all the rwf coverage i personally need.

[@enigmabis.]

Cant wait for the taco bell secret phase

[@Jayberryjam]

pop potions (pepto)

[@ryanpower1291]

Once she drops below 15 percent the floor breaks and you fall back down to the origional platform and the fight is extended with the mythic only phase. They just were .2 percent off

[@starly01]

I was thinking about this being the best way to nerf the boss without anyone knowing :)

[@daniellucas5522]

The big boost with a reset is 90 more crests, which is about 1.5 ilvl overall.

[@ANGJKWENRUGK]

Honestly, as someone who wants Echo to win if Liquid kills it on reset its still deserved world first. Echo has been playing so bad this tier they literally do not deserve it at this point

[@ioanalexandrutecu5842]

You are right, liquid has been more consistent but hey, winning is not based only on who plays better. Usually the la 1% of the race is more valuable than the first 99%. It only matters who crosses the finish line first. May the best win.

[@jacobmitchell9227]

Don’t worry. Blizzard will pull another razageth and nerf overnight so echo gets the win.

[@ioanalexandrutecu5842]

May the win best. Doesnt matter who it is. At the end it’s a race.

[@thegreattaiyou]

I'm no mythic raider but I find it so funny that the world second in this race, with several other world firsts to their name, is "playing bad"

[@ioanalexandrutecu5842]

@@thegreattaiyou it’s true, but every team (in every game/sport) has its bad day. It part of the business. If echo would win every race, would it be a race anymore ?

[@12fulworld69]

I suppose they could extend the enrage by a little, since that would keep it more difficult than a health nerf. But anything more than that would ruin it.

[@raechu_01210]

idk I feel like if they send a 3% nerf REAL soon it would still be fine since both guilds are still ages off hitting even 5%.

[@Aireez24]

I personally don’t think Queen needs a nerf! They are attempting this boss 11-14 item levels lower than they could be. I think extending the enrage timer to 10:30 should be hotfixed in now…and if sum1 gets it down before reset, then they are Godmode…otherwise she goes down after reset with 5+ item levels.

[@thedadchef]

This is how the creatures from The Descent were created

[@cameronjones4895]

Couldn’t they drop the hp by 1-3% just to the boss not adds to keep the rest of progression the same. Nothing huge will change but will keep it tight until the end

[@-coba.]

yea i totally get how shipping 5-10% hp nerfs right now would be really really bad, but like a 3% nerf wouldnt change anything but increase the chance of killing it from 1/1000 to 1/400 (made up numbers, not the point) or something like that and i don't really see the downside/risk of that

[@lactoseintolerantgaming2711]

Agreed. They should have shipped that hotfix at a time that helps EU but not NA, because then it wouldn't matter. EU isn't getting a kill today even with a 3% health nerf. They might tomorrow, so the longer Blizz delays, the more likely that hotfix affects the results of the race.

[@kylechermak7092]

Commenting for the algorithm. I think liquid will kill it today or tomorrow. Every time we sit here and say that the boss has too much health , they find the damage somewhere (Sylvanas, rygelon, kyveza, etc.) If I am John blizzard, I am leaving this boss alone and letting them figure it out. Watching top guilds optimize damage is one of the best things to watch.

[@YsNj-bz7by]

This is probably the worst I ve ever seen echo perform... they wipe on phase 1 on queen for 70% of the time. My opinion is, Liquid has this in the bag.. very comfortably 😁

[@stylishskater92]

I love both guilds, but root for Echo as EU dude. But i think youre probably right.

[@iphone3guru]

Jeezus, enough with the nerfs. Let them play and beat it. That's the point lol even if they need to wait for reset.

[@boomerwow8482]

would i nerf it and prevent it from being a 500 pull nightmare? nah, it's good television and probably doable if you have robots play and they can do 15% more damage. i think dratnos is staying up too late

[@Dan-Scott]

Max is showing once again he's the best raid leader in history. Well done Max, when I noticed a few of the raiders using Hekili I knew they would win! Pitpit is the best Boomkin NA and he PUMPS with Hekili, one of the best kept secrets (not anymore)

[@jacobmitchell9227]

It’s going to be another razageth. Liquid lead until blizz nerfs overnight and echo takes the win. It’s best if blizzard just doesn’t touch it even if it goes to next reset.

[@DerFischStinktVomKopfe]

which means, Liquid wins with the gear if they don't nerf it. which is as invasive of a decision.

[@shellgaming6727]

What the fuck are you talking about? That is the LEAST invasive thing they could do. Literally not touch it and let it go to reset.

[@DerFischStinktVomKopfe]

@@shellgaming6727 So the Boss just dies after the reset, robbing any chance for echo. How is that not invasive?

[@shellgaming6727]

@@DerFischStinktVomKopfe this argument is just stupid. That’s like saying it’s invasive that blizzard releases the raid to NA before Echo. Following your logic, shit would just never happen. Stay small.

[@LurkingAnon]

I think if Blizzard were to nerf the fight: I think they would tweak the cast time of the Acolyte cast and make the circle close in ~10% slower

[@Riokaii]

I think like a 3% boss hp nerf would be fine to both guilds and not impact the race too severely

[@deadmesiah]

Can you guys do how much time is lost during maintenance for both na and eu

[@JE-hr3ln]

Blizz won't nerf this boss. Unless they do it before the reset , Echo will kill it before their reset and while Liquid are waiting. Blizz already gave Raz to Echo. They will just let gear be the natural nerf and the advantage will be on liquid. But Echo will still have a small chance.

[@knappieboy]

Once a boss hits roughly 80-100 pulls I just lose interest and move on till I hear someone has killed it then check the next boss for a few pulls. This raid tier has been nasty imo.

[@jessejames9674]

If blizzard is going to do anything they should nerf it now for 5-7% boss HP. That way no side can claim the nerf "lost them the race". As it sits now though liquid has been the far superior team this tier.

[@H2Glitch2007]

I think they should just reduce acolyte heath a little. It would allow more time on boss in the last phase

[@rosco3]

14:20 If I was blizzard I would nerf the HP by very little, 2% or 3%. This makes it slightly more probable that it is killable but doesn't make any of the two guilds be in kill range

[@caburrito]

It feels so disingenuous to hear Tettles talking about Echo playing better than Liquid on Fyrakk when we all know they won because they cheated the private aura.

[@noodleboi4902]

feel like there should be a rolling 1% hp nerf every 8 hours until it dies

[@bendingUnit202]

Mythic only phase where Ansurek transforms into a giant copy of xalataths feet and casts a spell to sell you her feet pics

[@H4licarnassus]

If this race goes to reset the boss dies before echo get a chance at it. Just another race of hoping they can kill it pre reset so we don't have to see 5 million threads about a global release which is never coming.

[@WelsyCZ]

Idk, with the prolonged maintance digging TWICE into liquids raiding time, we are basically even. On top of that, Echo got to save some extra time by yoinking strats, so I think all complaints regarding the time difference are just fanboy coping. That said, it would suck if we had essentially razsageth repeat. Im European, I used to be an Echo fan, I was converted to liquid solely based on the vibe/personality traits of the raiders, I dont consider the race EU vs NA.

[@ariex0a]

Now weekend has started so less likely to see another round of nerfs, it's probably just a reset kill

[@Freestyle80]

@@WelsyCZ are you dumb? its still 7+ hours ahead It is not that hard to count, seriously COUNT

[@ziritv1894]

@@WelsyCZ agreed!

[@shadysorkin9214]

@@WelsyCZ If reset happens, they get a huge influx of gear from re-clearing and splits before Echo. It's true the longer a week lasts the smaller the gap closes to where there's basically no advantage, but if it dies right after a reset it's a pretty huge advantage.

[@TheSidneyBrothers3]

They nerfed the boss I’m not sure when you recorded this eight hours ago according to wowhead so at liquids last hour I believe

[@djin81]

I don't think method were really that far behind on queen azshara, they never used bloodlust. Their strategy was always to hold bl for part that turned out to be the brickwall for limit. I remember the point everyone watching realised method had never used bloodlust being one of those classic RWF moments.

[@slymcfly123]

Method went from 3 healers to 2 because of the nerf. Allowed them to win. The nerf was the reason. Killed it soon after nerf...

[@arnaudsavi950]

If thoses guilds can kill Sylvanas Week 1 i'm sure they'll find a way to kill it before reset

[@gwenmh]

Blizzard need to start locking ilvl for final bosses so it’s easier to design healer and damage checks. You might not be a fan of this, but it’s way better than watching players pull unkillable bosses and the race coming down to when nerfs are shipped or not shipped.

[@raechu_01210]

Y'all are worried about this boss being unkillable, but consider the opposite. If this boss IS killable and Liquid or Echo pull it off in the next 48 hours, this race is probably going down in RWF history as one of the sickest of all time.

[@fastydave]

This race has been shit

[@Cyax0k]

The boys sure look silly now.

[@luckyskaven13]

I want to see blizz announce a 0.5% nerf to happen in 12 hours, with another 0.5% nerf every 6 hours until reset. (Or something like that) That feels like it gives each team a fair chance to take advantage of the nerf.

[@Fourside__]

the boss wont go to reset, blizz will nerf it on sunday if we dont get into killrange today

[@seifyk]

Team Liquid? Choking in an esport? Never

[@raymondandsweetheart7150]

Average raider will do 5%. If only they could use trill. That's the 9% they need.

[@scalibur56]

gonna miss these recaps once the boss dies, good dynamic between you two

[@AdamTreier]

At 10% HP Ky'veza is going to kill her.

[@marcinhajdi2126]

You really think blizzard cares who wins??! They just care about free advertisment

[@LoveOlsson98]

And if people start seeing the rwf as not interesting because blizz mucks it up by doing nerfs that ruin the race they will lose that free advertisement

[@Corrupt733]

Can they kill it already so Blizzard can fix the game?

[@howweroll7]

All they need is one more clear on mythic.. simple

[@christiankerns9403]

Nothing needs a nerf honestly. Race to world first is all about beating the raid asap which means by the time the top guilds win they're on average down 10-20 ilvls or more than whats intended. Good raid design is never needing nerfs and instead letting gear effectively nerf the boss.

[@fastydave]

This race has been dogshit, 1000 pulls for the last 4 bosses...naw this shit is cooked

[@christiankerns9403]

@@fastydave who gives a shit... It's content that only 5 guilds globally can experience before it inevitably gets watered down anyway

[@optimusd3854]

Blizz shouldn't nerf bosses unless properly overtunned, the raid should just need another reset/re-clear for gear. I don't get where this precedent came from for people to expect to be able to clear the Mythic raid having only killed the bosses once and only gotten one reset of mythic gear.

[@Nan0bo7]

This works for normal plebs, but it puts too much impact on the weekly reset gear. If blizz made it like you want the race to world first will not exist, because if you are not in the NA faster reset time you are losing for sure when NA get their reset and gear up.

[@optimusd3854]

@@Nan0bo7 Depends, the NA teams have to deal with hot fixes and longer maintenance, I think they spent 6 hours waiting for the servers to come up, all in all I think there might be two hours difference. The EU teams also have the advantage of watching any progress footage which save on time and effort. It's pretty much the same.

[@sere971]

The precedent comes from exactly that happening for most of the past several tiers, since pretty much the inception of the race to world first. The alternative is having tiers like Sepulcher, where it ended up being *far* too difficult for the general playerbase, even the mythic raiders, and destroyed a lot of guilds/people quit the game over their guilds dying. I shouldn't have to expand on why that's not a good thing. The game does not need to continuously get more and more difficult-- especially not number-wise.

[@optimusd3854]

@@sere971 It doesn't need to get more difficult, the mechanics are already insane but perhaps the HP of bosses/adds and the enrage timers shouldn't be nerfed just so RWF can be done in one resent, surely the hardest content in the game for the next 3 or so months should need more than getting 1 pass through of mythic gear for a few raiders.

[@Freestyle80]

@@optimusd3854 13-5 is not 2, are you like 10 years old? How are you this bad at counting? this is literally embarrassing

[@SunniestAutumn]

Three week race, let's goooooo

[@dangauthier5711]

My guys I love your content, I will miss these dearly when the race is over and titanforge podcast not in my feed is a tragedy and a crime. BUT you guys gotta stop interrupting each other cause you totally kill the others thought process and makes it hard to listen to at times 😢 again I love the content don’t stop but give it some room my guys

[@samgc3650]

I think the best nerf is to push back everything in the third phase by 15-30 seconds. IE Each acolyte spawn happens 30 seconds later, hence the enraged timer gets pushed back as well.

[@RunicSoulEater]

Plot twist comes in the form of secret 5% P4

[@emixy7]

Taco Bell giveaway?

[@ingy421]

john blizzard made an incredible boss fight. gets fired bc its too hard and nerfing it makes one guild auto win. RIP jonh blizzard

[@kiwi2257]

Love how Dratnos just straight up calls it and says it like it is. No beating around the bush. Echo have to be better and faster than Liquid because they start behind. They can't play at the same pace as Liquid because Liquid start with an advantage and if all Echo do is match them they will lose.

[@Freestyle80]

Tettles is more on the NA Fanboy camp thats like 'hurr durr starting ahead doesnt matter, it is non-issue'

[@AndrewNajash]

If you duplicated liquid, had 3 perfectly identical teams, but had one start NA time, one at EU time, and one at AS time, you’d expect to see the race end NA-EU-AS every single time. All else equal of course the team that started ahead will end ahead, if you were betting on it and you bet all your money on the Asia liquid team you’d be a moron

[@Goose-b9d]

why does tettles have tiny hands

[@NhuQuynh-nv7fp]

Ur a sick woman

[@saraw5271]

Announce a 5%(adjusted based on need) nerf Sun morning with 2 hours warning when Echo has several hours left of their day and Liquid has time to get ready to blast.

[@andytrujillo8287]

Wow I think you win the award for Dumbest Comment this video lol

[@saraw5271]

@@andytrujillo8287 no you

[@reapercussions8450]

Why does blizzard look like an idiot if the boss is not killable max item level is 639 and we get a stacking raid buff this tier idk when we decided the race NEEDS to end 2 weeks or less was it when liquid quit cause they couldn’t keep up in sepulcher? The best guilds are still what 14ilvls off of max ilvl im so tired of this narrative

[@raechu_01210]

The Race is a massive event with hundreds of thousands of viewers. Blizzard very overtly tunes Mythic raid on launch for the RWF, especially the later bosses. If the guilds get up to the end boss 2 days after reset and are then stuck fighting an unkillable boss for 5 days until the gear from the next reset, that really diminishes the excitement of the race. So it would be a failure on Blizz's part if that happens.

[@knappieboy]

I lost interest at brood lol. I haven't been present for any of liquids kills after that fight and don't really care anymore due to the length this race has gone.

[@meganandersen3633]

shorts

[@imagrillsubtome7747]

the nerf timing was terrible for liquid

[@joshbedford5330]

Why doesn't liquid and echo method have two teams each?

[@erichall090909]

Cost and viability.

[@fastydave]

Is that a real effing question? LMFAO

[@natev580]

Blizzard should buff the boss. Give her a 25% damage buff, increase her health and the health of adds by 100% and nerf player party buffs by 90%. The fact that these last bosses die in a week or two is a fkn joke. Take me back to the days where raids weren't cleared for 4 months, even by the best guilds in the world.

[@KC-py5vq]

There's so much nuance to the garbage you just said is insane lmfao. Players were dogshit back then. That's why they took so long.

[@natev580]

@KC-py5vq Yeah? And? Now players are better. The internet has advanced beyond anything that anyone originally thought possible. And computers aren't giant potatoes anymore. I don't really understand your point? If all of that is better, than make more difficult encounters.

[@KC-py5vq]

@@natev580 yeah, you're stupid stupid lmfao

[@Temujim]

They don't look like idiots if the boss is not killable this week... Why would they? Add one more reset of gear and it becomes killable.. unless you are arguing that no matter the amount of gear the boss can't die... Then yeah, the boss is not killable and they will look like they don't know how to create a boss... But we are VERY VERY far from that.

[@mathieumalecki6332]

This pebbles guy is so obnoxious damn

[@anthonytgameaddict]

Bring back 10 man

[@terrypanama8004]

Settles is soooo bad at his job.