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[@darrellmalory5418]

Something my sister pointed out to me is that the springlock suits are triggered by sweat, so you would want the performers to stay cool. Back in the day disney had cooling tubes in some of the suits to keep performers cool. It is entirely possible that the tubes in the funtimes, if they are springlock suits, are cooling tubes to reduce the risk of springlock failure.

[@k-disboher1105]

I was thinking they could also be like expandable "padding" for wearing them and so that the outer shells aren't just directly in contact with bare clothes/skin; you're encased in the metal spaghetti suit with the outer shells attached, conforming to the shape of the wearer

[@unboxing_legend7708]

it seems to me that the springlock suits in the funtime animatronics arnt always the same. when we see the funtime foxy jumpscare, it seems as though the plating of the actual outer skeleton of the animatronic is meant to be also used for people to hop into however when it comes to circus baby, she has some wires still connnected to parts of the outer skeleton despite the endo not being inside of it. this could mean that baby or at least some of the funtime animatronics are not multi use skeletons meant to be used for workers to climb into and just to replace the endo's when possible. u basically see this to an extent in security breach in which its quite clear that i think all of or only the 5 animatronics in security breach which can have replaced endo's or parts happens to be the main 5 characters and sry i forgot the 6th being the small music man animatronics. seeming as their are an abundance of the miniture ones which are persumably easily replaceable or in a very high abundance, i would assume that both the main 5 animatronics plus the music man animatronics only the small versions, have replacement endo's or can easily be built up. compared to say the DJ music man which just simply cant because its too hard to rebuild and being able to control it via some control centre within music man or wearing the exo skeleton to fit a person is impossible which they rely on programming and 1 off repairs when dj music man needs it. its weird how they seperate what animatronic suits/costumes can house a person to what couldnt and i think a stepping stone to justify why they are different stems from that they cant be controlled or reproduced easily or made in abundance. its quite clear at least in security breach that DJ music man, as in the big one, is also a main animatronic in the pizzaplex due to its significance, the space it occupies and only being 1 of that model of animatronic, the reason the other 4 or 5 are made in abundance is because they are easier to produce more exoskeletons for but they are the main characters in the franchise and pizzaplex which stand out the most where as theres only 1 el chip and only an abundance of small music man animatronics which are programmed for stuff like vent repairs seemingly and stuff humans typically cant do or get to.

[@FazFab]

@@k-disboher1105 That would be my thought as well.

[@bella_daze3092]

Your sister is a genius

[@somebodykares1]

Except that the Funtimes were not Springlock suits, yes there was a Springlock suit in Sister Location which you were inside of but you could clearly tell it was a much older model and did not have the tubes of the Funtimes.

[@alexinator-hh5fe]

Seeing John's journey from being a smaller channel to one of the most well known Fnaf theorists has been a very fun journey to witness

[@annistar9693]

I feel like a proud parent

[@ShadowKnight785]

If you make good content you will eventually make it big

[@cielthefangirl2876]

Do u know how Hollywood works??

[@micahjones9600]

😊😅ud😅a😅

[@bella_daze3092]

Facts man❤❤❤❤

[@33pandagamer]

This franchise is so massive at this point, that we desperately need at least one thing to be undeniably cannon.

[@vincentmorris8431]

Hopefully it'll be part 3 of ooftroop's timeline

[@pancakes8670]

I thought the one undeniable thing we have was that William Afton killed Charlie, but even that feels like it's subject to change now

[@ZenoDovahkiin]

It is undeniably canon that there has at some time been a Freddy Fazbear's Pizzaria.

[@krievv]

@@ZenoDovahkiin Well... it could have just been the name of the setting of an in universe game. Like matpat said maybe everything like afton is just a retelling of something that happened in the 'real world' and how it had different names, so maybe Freddy Fazbear's Pizzeria was never an actual restaurant but was just a retelling of something else that had a different name.

[@atarusama101]

Pizza is cannon 💯

[@annoyingkid-oq5ny]

I love how comprehensively he understands everything they say in the video, it sounds like two professors having a chat about something they both study deeply lol

[@Parallelocam]

The dev who just copy/pasted a few different varations of the tally mark asset is watching this video just howling

[@Izuku_Midoriya_No.1]

I mean... They kinda are

[@amandamoore7512]

Scott personally contacting John in stream and even sending the movie trailer early while actively ignoring Matt just further fuels my conspiracy theory that Scott has been salty ever since Matt solved FNAF4 and CORRECTLY addressed how dumb of a choice it all being a dream was

[@SCP.343]

Or he's just trying to cover for the fact that he's secretly MatPat by pretending to not favor himself.

[@Not_Fine]

@@SCP.343lmao

[@unboxing_legend7708]

idk. with how scott has grown overtime with his games and his emotions and stuff like that, i think hes able to take the critisism rather well now and if anything, likes to joke around and play on matpats and other fnaf youtubers minds by being so vague and misleading but actually just continuing the story of fnaf in a completely different direction to whats being theorised. if anything matpat isnt exactly wrong if thats the way it has gone imo of it. hes free to openly speak his mind and just say it how it is if need be but i do think if scott isnt happy with that issue, its likely because the fan base behind youtube content creators for most youtubers acts more like a cult following, than an actual fan base of the youtuber who creates the content. maybe it could be that because of matpat calling it out, the cult like fan base and community that follow fnaf content was a huge harsh backlash to scott that disrespected him for a personal opinion turned hostile from the community which is why he may not be happy or inclined to really speak as much to matpat as he used to but at the same time, i think scott shouldve spoken to matpat privetly if this is the case and address it being a concerning issue that hes had to deal with in result of this and couldve at least tried to ask matpat if he can address the concern in a video to not be so hostile over something simple that people disagree with or made matpat aware that this has happened in result of this and if they can discuss a way to fix the issue in some form of way, either updating the game to change the ending or something in which gets people off from it all being a dream without revealing the story of whats happening.

[@amandamoore7512]

@@unboxing_legend7708 that’s absolutely well said and too true. I completely forgot about insane people and how terribly some people must have behaved at the time. I personally have just always hated dream theory as the twist as it feels lazy and overdone so regardless of Matt’s entire channel, I was always going to dislike it if FNAF4 revealed “everything was a dream” because I and many others will ALWAYS hate that story device and believe it to be a bad story writing decision

[@Echoingsunflowers981]

Didn’t Scott say in his interview with Dawko that he views his relationship with Matpat as antagonistic in the way that he sees Matpat antagonizing him with his theories and he antagonizes Matpat with the lore.

[@Maddest_of_Hatters]

I always thought the outfit Sun/Moon/Eclipse wears is much closer to a jester costume as opposed to Baby's outfit (excluding her shoes, of course). Additionally, there are "castle" towers in the Daycare so it gives very medieval vibes.

[@frostbitetheannunakiiceind6574]

ikr

[@_theknighthawk_7018]

mimic is the yellow guy from the minigame?

[@kkat3918]

​@@_theknighthawk_7018what?

[@_theknighthawk_7018]

@kkat3918 from the car game in fnaf pizzeria....you know...when you go off track and you talk to a yellow guy. I get that Mat did say he was also purple guy...but why was he a different colour? I don't think it was a redrobbin anymore.

[@hamcheese3532]

​@@_theknighthawk_7018he's a different colour since he is not wearing his nightguard outfit

[@DragonStarGamer]

Willam and Henry being split personalities is so interesting to think about. Especially with all the dualities in the franchise to go with like eclipse and two souls haunting the same animatronics.

[@fernboy]

the worst did representation ever. wouldn’t put it past scott honestly.

[@Alexseya]

​@@fernboy I think projecting DID onto this dynamic is wrong though. It's not what Matt proposed either. It's not mesnt to be DID, and shouldn't be treated as it.

[@Anti-HyperSlut]

​@@fernboyBe more offended.

[@billclockwell]

This kinda would explain the "the baby isn't mine" and how the Henry made the made baby in fnaf world and that the sister location house was likely under Henry's house in the books but of course it's kind of like dream theory in that its kind of a "cure all" solution

[@ASA_Playz_MC]

I just found it funny that MatPat was so surprised over John saying baby looks like golden Freddy, when in fact back when Mathew live-streamed their play through of sister location, he said the exact same thing. I guess he just forgot his own idea

[@zacharymcleod8050]

Tbf that was years ago

[@jeremymitchem327]

​@@zacharymcleod8050so many years, so many theories.

[@tsume_akuma8321]

The important thing to remember is that the legs aren't part of the mimic. The Legs were added later by workers.

[@ZealStarMedia]

True. Also when the workers found it, it had a different head. It was noted that the original Mimic had an off switch on its head, but they found it in the basement with a complete new, silver head, whereas the rest of the body was dark and burnt. So it’s got a lot of new parts most likely.

[@torinokami8431]

That’s if you assume that the tales book are canon, which they don’t believe and neither do I

[@tsume_akuma8321]

@@torinokami8431 They are canon. They were made by scott, which makes them canon until he says they aren't. What you probably meant to say is that you don't believe that the books are canon to the games, however, If you open your eyes and look at the design of the mimic, it's quite obvious that the legs don't match the upper body and arms. The Entire Original Construction is made to resize. the upper and lower arm are both telescopic, so they can probably reduce and grow in length. The upper torso is connected to the hips by pistons. The "Spine" is just a cable carrier. The head is connected to the upper torso by pistons. The entire design of the upper body screams "I can change size!". And the legs are just kind of taped on.

[@loganentertainment1814]

We’re they added when The Mimic was loaded off the truck in the first epilogue? I haven’t read it in a while, but I’ll probably read it again. XD

[@ZealStarMedia]

@@tsume_akuma8321 Not everything made by Scott is canon.

[@Hayatonyaaa]

Rather than a clown or jester, I would classify Baby as a harlequin, which is a nebulous middle ground.

[@tenshimusouka5820]

Harlequins are typically and traditionally depicted with checkered or diamond patterned outfits. This isn't a feature of baby's clown aesthetic.

[@unboxing_legend7708]

my problem with both johns theory connecting baby to the jester and even eclipse as well as matpats alternative theory is that jesters clowns and stuff like that over god knows how many years have been pretty much retconned into the category of carnival themed costumes or relation to carnivals which they are moreless now more known for. yes they USED to be seperate things from seperate time periods but none of them really had a definative place or category in which they fitted in or belonged to in more modern times as kings and queens are mostly thrown out the windows in modern times as well as jesters and clowns but overtime, they just happened to merge as these misfit costumes or themes that just happened to merge together well and fit rather well. the fact that matpat calls out that for baby being a clown like animatronic to out of the blue just have jester shoes is a very unique and weird style choice to go for let alone keep for the base game and be seemingly a merge of the two, to now have jesters and clowns and carnivals to have a seemingly massive or big enough significance to where its good to now call these things out. even the books hint to this wayy before we see it in the games as well and now were collectively agreeing that eclipse has likely been around since the beginning due to its design and also having tie-ins with carnivals and medieval significance, i think this is a good thing to call out about with the connection between the mimic baby and eclipse all having quite substantial similarities when no other animatronics do have such a specific and unique similarity like that. merged parts from previous endo's and animatronics seems rather simple in terms of what we see the mimic in the game to be and supportive of how it got to the way we see it to be in the game but just supporting the story or a backstory to how it got to the point we see it in the game to the connections to the lore and what it connects to are very different siginificant things.

[@poke-talia268]

​@@unboxing_legend7708yeah, the categories of clown, jester, and whatnot have very much blurred over the years. Forgive me for the weird but fitting example of tumblr's clown husbandry posts. Where they're treated like breeds of dogs. Some get oddly specific. (Strange Aeons has a good video on the topic)

[@therealslimsagey5561]

It would be far more fitting for a jester to be holding a microphone than a clown. They are basically old world comedians/jokers, because unless I'm mistaken the funtimes are performers and not in a band. If you google "Are jesters associated with the circus?" it returns the following - "Jesters are instantly recognisable as Circus Performers, typically wearing a hat with bells and a unique outfit who is a professional joker. We have a wide range of Jesters who perform a range of Circus skills who can entertain guests at events in the UK and around the globe." I think MatPat has a preconceived notion that Jesters were just for Royalty but that is not true. Think of old time plays for example where quite often people would be dressed up in jester outfits. There is also a very famous puppet show called Punch and Judy, which is a slapstick comedy of sorts. Punch, who is often a trickster/villain of the puppet show is often wearing gear akin to jester outfits.

[@holycakesitsbritt1295]

@@poke-talia268 i agree, I wonder if really so much attention should be focused on the difference between clowns and jesters. Even though this is a completely different example, when they were talking about this I kept thinking of joker and Harley Quinn. Joker in DC is often described as a clown but his trade mark is the joker card which is a jester. And Harley Quinn’s original costume is inspired of a jester too. All though her more modern look is a bit of a combination. just something I kept thinking about.

[@landongmcallister]

william and henry being the same person is one of the most interesting theories of this franchise and is probably my favorite thus far. one man loses a kid which causes him to go insane, and to deal with his grief he creates two personalities for himself. it’s just catches my eye and gets my brain side eyeing the franchise.

[@kenacitie8245]

I think that Edwin being both Henry and William might have just become my absolute farorite far-out theory. It makes for a great unreliable narrator story. It could make the original games more allegorical than 1 for 1 stories.

[@pancakes8670]

Could bring a whole new meaning to Midnight Motorist too. It would mean "Edwin" is living double lives with two separate families, running back and forth between the two.

[@relic5752]

Pizzeria Simulator wouldn't really work as a narrative under this view, which is the main issue holding me back from enjoying it

[@CaptainFishtank]

I unironically love when they drop absolutely batshit crazy ideas at the end of the video. LOVE it. Twitter is going to be SO MAD.

[@Bread.youtube]

What's Twitter? I only know X

[@CaptainFishtank]

@@Bread.youtube oh no..........

[@edd0125]

I love when Dan is on the couch with Matt because he looks so done, but patient. Almost like a dad who is trying to connect with his son by trying to get into the things he's into. So beautiful

[@priscilahuss]

Truely majestic

[@RoselandGel]

The idea they threw out at the end of Only Henry makes me think of a Jekyll and Hyde similarity, which I had thought of before they ended up mentioning it at the end. A traumatic event breaks him mentally, and to survive his brain creates two personalities. One personality is an upstanding business man with a tragic family story, and the other is a man who's gone mad with grief and refuses to let his losses (children's souls) move on, and to spread the misery to others. Misery loves company, after all

[@Anonyomus_commenter]

I wonder is there a traumatic enough event to trigger this for henry? None seem to spring to mind. Maybe if they reveal his daughter was murdered or something…

[@CosmicAutism]

I know Fnaf isn't set in real life realistic rules. I do want to bring up though, that for Henry to have DID/OSDD (the multiple personalities or Alters as they're better known now) it would have to be childhood trauma

[@1upforever336]

Mat's "realization laugh" like the one at 56:43 gets me everytime

[@camillusemeric9281]

Hmmm, I think Matt has a point. Henry and William always seemed so strongly coded as good and evil, and you really see that play out with Sun and Moon. It does make it feel like Eclipse slots into this idea as a clear parallel for Edwin being the the sum of the two. It certainly merits looking into at least.

[@endernightblade1958]

edclipse

[@kylesuarez5071]

Just a wild thought what if the hair and cheek was something the mimic stole from the corpse of Henry’s kid back in the day and always kept it as remembrance of what it’s based off of

[@DanielVast]

No, Henry was messed up too. Everybody is crazy in this story

[@randomaccount64]

​@@DanielVastI wouldn't stay crazy.

[@Anonyomus_commenter]

@@DanielVastHenry is messed up but in the games they try to make him seem good. They gloss over lefty (the blob had the puppets face and the figurine makes it look like the puppet is in control) and he is described as “the voice of reason” in the encyclopaedia

[@Lostnugget...]

Always a good day when matpat does a FNAF video

[@ExxyWexxySexxy]

That's so real

[@MemeTeamS1x]

Except for MatPat xD

[@Querez8504]

Ah, so every day then

[@stinkyrats]

Hello Mr Dino nuggies

[@IsaiahSenku]

Twitter would disagree😂

[@Whydidmyhandlechange414]

The duality theory for Henry and William is super interesting. Also love that John’s theories have grown and that MatPat reacts to them

[@kaemonbonet4931]

The hardest thing about fnaf is how 50% of thr time i'm confident that theories we talk about are good ideas we agreed on months ago and 50% of the time i think everyones operating off of information ive never heard. The truth is probably more like theres an overflow of ideas and a well crafted theory takes you all the way there so if feels obvious.

[@KalinTheZola]

36:55 I think instead of just being frustrated over the Tangle's presence in Ruin while that ending isn't canon, we should as ourselves why Gregory would have already known about the Tangle without getting that ending as canon.

[@Sopsy_Hallow]

the easy answer is that, despite it not being how security breach actually ends, everything there is still there, and they go there at some other point in time. Seeing as some of gregory's stuff is further down, it is reasonable to say he went there at some point

[@comicbooknerdisme]

I think Gregory’s comics aren’t pure fiction. I don’t think they actually happened either; unfortunately, they can’t make sense to all be real. But I think it’s a way Gregory processed the information he was given; if saving Vanessa is the true ending, she probably shared a lot of her knowledge with him and so he made a series of comics indicating what he thinks could have happened if he did certain actions; for example, Vanessa perceived herself helping sprung trap but because of vr, she was actually helping the mimic, and so Gregory drew her version of spring trap

[@unboxing_legend7708]

i think matpat had already made a rather decent theory as to why on this but i would assume hed know through what he can do. hes able to hack into the pizzaplex and couldve stumbled across it on cameras moving about by coincidence or as we well know, he went down into the burner room area and found it sleeping as he was making his way with we can assume vannessa, which he not only crosses tangle but the mimic as well, the thing he originally came down for or happened to stumble across while exploring the mysteries with vanessa of the old places under the pizzaplex. when he crossed the mimic, he decided he would trap it and close it off with vanessa with a fall back option if the mimic happened to be able to get close to breaking out.

[@dcross0616]

John’s point about the physiology of the Funtime models makes perfect sense anatomically - the Mimic-esque animatronic is the skeleton, the Funtime wireframe body is the muscles, and the Funtime plating is the skin.

[@pdd5793]

which also makes sense in the thematic of animatronics trying to look more human...

[@halinaqi2194]

His mention of it maybe being a part of each security breach bot also seems a little plausible. Its got a monty arm, freddy arm, Bonnie leg, Roxy leg and the daycare attendant torso and head, 5 parts made 1.

[@SirSkyro]

also the way the mimic's leg wires look like muscles

[@dcross0616]

@@halinaqi2194 in the Tales epilogues it’s mentioned the Mimic is designed to pull apart animatronics and pile up their limbs, I’m guessing most of those parts are the different pieces the Mimic has attached to itself. Its one leg even still has springlocks embedded in it from the final epilogue.

[@sarahlethbridge7786]

Do you think he could be the scooped in sister locatio ?

[@amoralau8591]

I'm living for the Matt and Dan duality these last few videos have given us! They bounce off each other so well and are both serious and silly but in different ways. Would looovvveee to see Dan in more videos in the future! Keep those FNAF juices flowing team theorist!

[@naeka9752]

The more time passes, the more I think that dayshift at Freddy's had the closest theories to reality lol

[@mc-inversal7069]

dayshift at freddy's was unironically ahead of it's time it's crazy man

[@ink_pig]

*grand canyon*

[@TheSergio1021]

How so?

[@jacobosaldarriaga4820]

Ok, but William and Henry being the same person is actually something I'd love to see be explored more throughoutly, it's insane but would make such an interesting narrative.

[@NeonWafflez707]

Jekyll and Hyde moment lol

[@asherdevin]

That would further the duality they're going for. Whether it's a double life or multiple personalities

[@nikolajjensen4453]

But I feel like fnaf 6 invalidates theory, cause Henry himself traps William in the Pizzaria to burn it down

[@damienmcgirl3577]

​@@nikolajjensen4453that's assuming the fnaf 6 game actually happened, which it may not have as it was "made by a rogue indie dev". Notice that the only times William is mentioned is in games that the indie dev made

[@amybrynes]

@@damienmcgirl3577 agreed all games are in question right now but the fact we go down to the restaurant in security breach and we know the tangle is real make me wanna believe that game

[@DINOROAR2912]

My immediate instinct is to say that the code means that Fnaf 2,4 and 5 are the relevant games to this story. Or maybe even the only prior games that are "fully canon" and not by the indie dev. Fnaf 2 gave us lots of the foundational lore, Fnaf 4 expands things in the Afton direction and 5 is Sister Location which speaks for itself. Maybe theses game should be the ones who's lore we make use of when tryna theorise?

[@Amethyst.i]

That’s actually pretty interesting

[@nothatswrong5077]

Those were my exact thoughts

[@iBedwars]

good thought

[@MayvaAva]

Good idea, the only part that’s confusing is the message structure, one of them is clearly set up in sentence format, I wonder if the clues to the code are in those games

[@antoni4582]

imagine if this is some ludicrously complex code that simply pertains to matpat's theories over the years, confirming which theories on which fnaf game were true

[@justinabean94]

jesters technically didn't just perform for royals. they also traveled and performed at markets and festivals when they came to town, which would be the equivalent of a modern day traveling circus or faire. they did also paint their faces to match their costumes a lot of the time. baby's red cheeks match her red outfit and hair, which do emulate jester costumes.

[@maxgosselin62]

I'd also argue that in the modern era, a lot of people tend to conflate the aesthetics of carnivals, jester acts and circuses together, so having them all be under one circus themed restaurant wouldn't really be THAT weird

[@elizaaguinaldo5574]

I’m I’m a LG I

[@TheOmnipresentNerd]

3 theories to think about for anyone who wants to tackle them. The Mimic could've originally been in the Springlock suit in that one level of Sister Location. Baby says it was from her "old Pizzeria, but never used atleast not how it was meant to" It might have been the mimic the whole time in Sister Location and not Baby (this is based on Baby bragging about how she learned to 'pretend'). We never get to see the Springlock suit in Sister Location. It's not in the Scooping room with the carcasses of the Funtime's. After examination Ennards Head is the closest in design to the Springlock's where its hinges for opening and closing are located. The last time we see the Head on the wall is the night Before that one and we don't know if it never had a body to begin with, so we could be on Ennard's head and body. There is an 'unknown clown' animatronic mentioned in the books. Why the body isn't in the Scooping? *shrugs* there's always something that doesn't quite work out with FNAF theories, but that's part of the fun. Not a FNAF theory, but instead a Steel Wool theory: I think Steel Wool is aware that most of the Fanbase loathes how Canon lore and clues are in the books. I think they're using stuff from the books that are 'important for the plot' in the new games because NOW it's REAL CANON. Now people have to accept illusion disks and Remnant and Faz Goo as canon (when they add those to the games that is)

[@matveymedvedev7776]

The 2-4-5 number code reminds me of colour codes for bedazzling or images made with coloured buttons. I used make images like this as a kid. And the fact, that balloons are coloured gives an impression that you can get a pixelated image with different pixel colours! It seems that the colours are in golden freddy/glamrock freddy/ funtime pink pallet.

[@duhovejmracek]

thats cool!

[@kxaie]

thats seriously interesting

[@bpsara]

That’s super interesting!

[@AraxianOddities]

some sort of fill in the box color coded message was my first thought as well but how in the heck is it all mean to be lined up? There's gotta be some sort of grid type thing somewhere that tells you how to arrange it all if that's the case right? maybe the score cards in gator golf?

[@dascoana]

Wild guess but maybe the tally marks are connected to the Baby birthday party monologue where she talks about how she’s aware of how many kids are in the room with her in some way. It’s always either 2, 3, 4, or 5 kids that she mentions. That’s really all I could come up with

[@unboxing_legend7708]

she also says one as well so i dont think thats a solid enough connection imo seeming as the tally marks are consistant and the only significant number in her monologue story of what she experienced one day happens to be 1 which she emphasises heavily because its the death of a little girl which now possesses baby.

[@Ikarion97]

If i recall correctly her counting of the kids present with her is already used in the Cupcake minigame. It would've been the order in which you have to use the powerups effectively to give every kid a cupcake.

[@konik.15]

I will say something that sticks out to me about the mimic being like scrap baby is that baby got kicked out of ennard, then pieced herself together with random parts. The mimic could've been abandoned and fixed itself with random parts. And here's the linchpin, my friends. In one of the endings in ruin, the mimic ends up losing its right arm. And in the model for scrap baby, she just so happens to have something replacing her right arm. I rest my case.

[@maiplee]

I found something whilst looking back at the security logbook. The same stain is on almost every page. The stain kinda looks like Foxy in the centre and either a bunny or BB in the corner. The tallies in this book also only come in 5 4 and 2.

[@aliciathememegirlhibye9603]

I will keep this in mind if someone finally says something about it

[@jocelynryan5335]

Ohh Matpat went there. Ive always loved the idea of Henry and William being the same person. It's my favorite crazy theory by far

[@LittleBitWeird]

I mean a double life would be SUCH a good concept. Idk if would ever be confirmed/true but if it was that would be insane

[@NeonWafflez707]

@@LittleBitWeirdcould relate to the movie 🤔 where Matthew Lillard who we thought was Aston has a different name

[@LittleBitWeird]

@@NeonWafflez707 well William afton went by a different name in the books but it wasn't his real name so.. idk tbh

[@NeonWafflez707]

@@LittleBitWeird interesting, it’s probably safe to say that William has an alias somewhere lol

[@LittleBitWeird]

@waffles9997 well he does... in the books lol, that different name is his alias, so safe to assume that his character(forgot the name) is also an alias and he is still spring bonnie

[@SW-rd6bg]

I also find it interesting that Baby’s ‘suit mode’ as John calls it IS so similar to Golden Freddy’s pose. IF Scott were just reusing poses, I feel it would be pretty reckless to use such an iconic pose from such an iconic character and just… reuse it for Baby?? I do remember way back when SL was released people did notice the similarities in their poses, but at the time no one really knew what to DO with that info. As you said, it was presumed that the endos for the fun times were the wires, and we clearly see the wires inside baby, so obviously she’s not a spring lock suit. Why her eyes and teeth were missing I just presumed it to be some weird angle or intentionally removing them to look creepy. But in light of all this new info, John’s theory makes a lot of sense.

[@frostbitetheannunakiiceind6574]

ye

[@owlmanuniverse]

I don't know why but I always felt FuhNaff is an industry plant to help guide the theorists along.

[@FloorTileMan]

I’m not sold on John’s theory but what I find interesting is that in Ruin the Baby plushie has the (blue) left eye in tact, and the Scrap Baby plushie has the (green) right eye in tact. What I find interesting about this is on the Tiger Rock book cover we can see that the eye on the left of Tiger Rock (who is the mimic) is blue and the eye on the right is green just like the plushies.

[@loujanae31]

In the same vein of everyone going back and rereading the novels, you also mentioned forgetting things you predicted in past theories. I have been rewatching some of your old theories like one from before Sister Location came out and you focused a lot on the Carmen Institute, which feels like something we've all completely forgotten about. I wonder how many other random sourcecode teasers have been forgotten at this point, and how many of them are still relevant. I'm going to be brushing up on a little bit of everything, including the books.

[@AxolotlDoesThings]

Whoever makes the chapter titles needs a raise lmao🤣

[@Gooberpotomous]

I want to say it's Ash, but we already know they deserve a raise (have you ever seen the lighting when they're not there!?)

[@AxolotlDoesThings]

@@Gooberpotomous nah but fr, ash really does need a raise

[@frostbitetheannunakiiceind6574]

XD

[@bob8mybobbob]

Henry and Afton being the same person makes the “the games we’re just games” theory more palatable for some reason. I guess because it makes it more than “the same story, but a little bit to the left”.

[@axelam388]

I love how the witty banter is now close to the video length of a game theory. Love hearing mats thoughts ab random sh*t

[@Darkgamer22263]

I wanted to say that Baby has more intelligence than the mimic. That Baby will have a conversation with you where the mimic only repeats what it has observed but then that makes me question. How did the mimic have so many lines from Gregory?

[@naomilangevin3944]

I think this needs to be addressed more. In order to be a "mimic" one has to have things to copy. It's by definition a copy of something. So HOW did the mimic have all those lines of Gregory? The easiest answer and the one Matpat has said the most, is AI. I know their are programs now that simply record words or even individual sounds and then puts them together to make sentences. Hakune Miku, if I'm not mistaken is one. So it could be possible that it simply found the "real" Gregory and recorded enough inputs to make any output. But how boring. I think it's more interesting and important to wonder why Baby can say so much, if she was a mimic the whole time. Who is she copying? How did she get her voice in the first place? It doesn't sound like a regular child, not the way Gregory was copied. Besides, mimics are seemingly in control of everything. Big AI deep in the systems of everything. Why would a mimic allow it's casing to be scooped and burnt. The baby suit can do like tons of unique features, including bleed and have saliva (enough to kiss with). If it was trying to be human, why would it allow the most human suit it's ever seen to be scooped and destroyed? This needs to be looked into and I would love to hear more about it.

[@quinno.9253]

The Mimic either got Gregory’s lines through its connection to the system allowing it to watch camera feeds and the like, or by listening through the walkie-talkie that it has for whatever reason.

[@michaelraymon111]

What? He has his own thoughts

[@halinaqi2194]

From the way you worded it, someone may misundersrand that you are saying hatsune miku and other vocaloids are ai, but for anyone not sure, they aren't. The are basically voice banks where they store phonetics and other sounds recorded by a human, how the words and pitches come together, etc. Is mostly down to the producer, they are much more closer to an instrument than anything resembling intelligence. The mimic is more analogous to a parrot, it copies words and phrases together, usually connecting those to an event, action or emotion and repeats them. Mimicry at its finest, these animals don't really know what they're saying or what it means, but they may form connections as to when those things are said and what those things may convey. For example a parrot may say, want a snack, but it doesn't know what that means but may know that whenever that is said, the owner may give it a food it likes. Definitely the mimic has more intelligence than your average pet avian, but I don't think it is by much. Scientists say that African greys are similar in intellect to a 3 or 4 year old child.

[@axelam388]

@@naomilangevin3944I’d say baby is more intelligent because of Elizabeth plus the mimic’s ai is able to make up storylines for fazbear entertainment so it does more than mimic. Yes the mimic is connected to the whole pizzaplex system and since helpi (and vanny) is a part of the system along with most of the animatronics, the mimic could get bits and pieces of Gregory’s dialogue. As for why baby wouldn’t want a realistic robot body as opposed to a real human body? Take that up with her

[@HeisenbergFam]

1:20 hearing Matt, the game theory expert say John's theory is solid is a true blessing to receive, glad he appreciates John's content

[@A59ri]

its been out for 10 minutes how are you already here

[@Fluxy_J]

He's prob subbed

[@ReD_is_SuS]

​@@A59rithey never left 😂

[@A59ri]

@@ReD_is_SuSdoes he sleep?

[@ReD_is_SuS]

​@@A59rinever on great content

[@KaylaaJaee]

William and Henry being the same person/the two fictional parts of one very real guy outside of the game is probably my favorite theory.

[@princessregime]

I will never stop respecting the work Scott has put into this series. Games are one thing but books too? And soon a movie? The world building is insane

[@Hi-lu5vf]

only patthew matrick could turn a 20 minute video into almost 3 hours worth of content

[@Riley_Sanford]

This is actually pretty funny

[@prattletosh3550]

Transformative content at It's finest

[@floofluff]

The tally marks were also in the FNAF Survival Logbook! I'm thinking maybe these tally marks might be connecting the Security Breach/Ruin story to info there!

[@unboxing_legend7708]

the one thing i havant heard really being stated is the help wanted plush connections. both matpat and fuh naff have both dodged the plush baby connection just being the connection to help wanted when u shine the light on them to disappear but im almost sure the plush baby's only show up when they are not far away from baby its self which i find a bit odd. just like with ballora and her little minon things, they never seem to stray far away from the main animatronic, like they are being controlled or the leader is the bigger version ordering the smaller versions to do something that the big versions may not be able to do. so i find it weird that they show up in sister location in a random closet room because to me at least, the plush baby versions have only been significant if baby has ordered them to do something at a guess or if baby is present within the game and not actually that far away in this case being somewhere in the pizzaplex which i think u see them about 3 quarters of the way through the game. if the plush baby's are still active and roaming, are they trying to fix baby or is baby alive and present in the background of security breach and ruin but not yet significant enough to be a problem or be able to act on whatever plan is going on with baby. it could be that because baby's mask is in the blob or whatever the official name for it is now, the plush baby's are still around for that specific reason as baby is not dead or completely out of the fight yet or could it be, as we know currently of baby, shes still on the mission to fix her self again and the only way she can really do that is through the process of the plush baby forms trying to get the pieces they need to make a new body for her to host and take control of? this can go so many ways and its so fun to have these wacky weird ideas to throw out there that people typically dont talk about or think about or even speak up on.

[@m_artroom]

@@unboxing_legend7708makes sense but maybe wrong comment to reply on 😂

[@unboxing_legend7708]

@@m_artroom it was kinda leading on from what he said basing it as a open ended question for people who read it. was intentional.

[@GrandSenseiDarreth]

More evidence for the links between Ruin and SL is that in the Brazil ending we hear Gregory saying “I found somewhere to hide” which I thought was way too similar to Baby talking about how they wanted to hide in Mike’s body, thus making me believe that it was the Mimic that gave that final Gregory voice line and Cassie got replaced Ennard style whilst she was hallucinating that final image for the ending.

[@the_godbodor7026]

One other thing I want to note about “foreshadows Carnival” is that the area that was found in was the Mimic tunnels, far underground which means it’s far more likely to be something old getting revisited rather than something new. Sister Location then being that old carnival game would make even more sense.

[@Yumais]

Notice: They left a springlock suit leg on the Mimic for a very specific reason. Given the recent "Jester Springlock suit" I'd say John is onto something.

[@AlaskanBee]

Mind exploded, John has done such a good job at creating his theories. This one threw me in a loop cause it's so believable. Let's go theorists

[@jakeblitzcoffie4859]

The problem with Baby's endoskeleton being the Mimic is that in the Extras menu you can see her endoskeleton and her green eyes and her teeth are still attached to it.

[@Kqueen01]

True but we also know that there’s multiple endoskeletons for the animatronics and as theorized in this video there was two separate endoskeletons, the one that Elizabeth possesses which is scrap baby because that one has green eyes, and the one that the mimic is potentially using which doesn’t have green eyes. That’s the thing about theories though they’re not facts they’re just ideas thrown out there that everyone can tweek to their own liking until the actual true facts reveal themselves.

[@Mofcrimishere457]

Just like the mimic, Ennard would also mimic voices to lure in the player in sister location. Idk just wanted to point that out.

[@TISA-]

45:35 For some reason the first thing I thought of when hearing this specific quote from the book was back when Vanessa told Freddy in Security Breach "If you're part of this, you're scrap. Monty will run the shows, until Parts and Service can slap your casing on a new Endo." The idea in the book that a costume was being put on robots just reminds me a lot of Vanessa telling Freddy that his casing is being put on a new endo. I'm not sure if this is could be a parallel with the idea that the casing being put on an endo relates to the costumes being put on to the robots, but it also is much like how the mimic (which is practically close enough or is in fact an endoskeleton itself) wears costume's too, much like an outer casing. Just a thought I wanted to voice out :)

[@xKarenWalkerx]

Balloon Boy looks like the main character of Pilgrim’s Progress, a 2012 game from Scott Cawthon. He even jumps like him. No one ever talks about how many of the FNAF characters look like or like they’d fit right in many of Cawthon’s previous games: 1. Balloon boy: pilgrims progress (looks like like main character) 2. Eclipse: the desolate hope (looks like Viren) 3. Music Man: the desolate hope (looks like Math enemy) 4. Candy Cadet: the desolate hope (looks like Alphus) 4. Cupcake: the desolate hope (looks like Toy Enemy) 5. Ennard: the desolate hope (looks like Mirad) 6. Souldozer: the desolate hope (same character in FNAF World)

[@IamDaveDev]

I can see them all, except balloon boy.

[@xKarenWalkerx]

@@IamDaveDevhave you seen videos of pilgrims? He jumps in the same trajectory as balloon boy and looks just like him.

[@unboxing_legend7708]

if this is to be true this could be significant. ive heard that he had previous games but i didnt think they wouldve had carried over to the fnaf franchise. i thought as a small game dev at the time, he was just tryna make games thatd hit and make money or get people playing so it was taking wild shots in the dark to see if anything stuck or hit rather than later down the line when a game did eventually take off, hed come back to either retconn some of the things from those games or have it as minor call backs and easter eggs or just returning characters being re used but now having significance into the fnaf franchise.

[@IamDaveDev]

@@xKarenWalkerx Maybe the height difference throws me off, but they don't look very similar.

[@xKarenWalkerx]

@@unboxing_legend7708Scott’s a loyal guy and he pays homage to his lesser known games throughout FNAF. Pilgrims progress even has carnival levels and there’s a movie too with carnival theme (not sure which came first or if Scott’s game was based on previous media). I think they all tie in together. Perhaps in later games they will be revealed to all be part of a mega universe that all tie in together. Perhaps William Afton was somehow being told to do these experiments or do the things he did. I think it’s all connected and can’t wait to see how the whole carnival arch plays out. We shall see…

[@ladynavarre9474]

jesters fit theater themes same as clowns they are the symbols of humor and tragedy. if you watch the movie inspired by clowns called "the last circus" you understand the difference of the happy maniacal clown vs the egotistical mind of a sad jester. they are exactly like sun and moon and reflect each other a lot.

[@HamsterMaster8]

I miss when games could give you one full comprehensive story lol But the theorizing is fun too!

[@derekjoyce6152]

I don't know if there is a basis for this, but my first time looking at the numerical list that macpac made has me think of a type of map. Like fives might be the solid walls throughout the pizzaplex, fours might be the walls that you can go through using the Vanni mask, and twos might be teleport locations where you entered through a TV screen and came out somewhere very different.

[@zap4th368]

There is definitely SOMETHING going on with the larger spaces. If this was a simple “black space are just spaces between words” they would only be 1 character long. Some of them are up to 3 long. And of course there is the weird spacing of the lines, with one row just being a single string of 2 numbers. The PLACING has to be important.

[@ZetroFox9274]

It's in the form of an animatronic rabbit.

[@PlayerOne.StartGame]

The fact Scott joined John's stream shows he cares about FNAF community "remember this is just a theory" in MatPat's words "A GAME THEORY".

[@memers066]

I noticed that on one of mat Pat's theories (I can't remember which one) he said "need more proof" and I was just thinking that he is getting back at John for always stealing his catchphrase.

[@ClarMF]

Just to add an idea, and to build off of what Matpat said, in Silver Eyes and Twisted Ones there are many clues that refer to the newer fnaf lore. For example we can see a reference from Silver Eyes that states that when Charlie first ran into Dave, “the security guard” Charlie notices a weird tattoo his neck that represented a half moon. I believe this refers back to sun and moon as eclipse. I also agree that we should read the first books, there are full of little details that we often miss!

[@the_phillygamer]

I am hooked on the mimic is Baby theory. This video was John's Vader moment. "When I left you I was the learner. Now, I am the master."

[@tonyf4991]

Allow me to dash your hook quite expertly. The Mimic wasn't "born" until 2019-2020. It was originally a Toy animatronic that ended up getting "possessed" by the same virus that created GlitchTrap. So there is no way for the Mimic to be Baby.

[@tinymeerkat3003]

I absolutely believe Eclipse is older than we all initially assumed. It always struck me as odd that Eclipse was depicted alongside Balloon Boy during Security Breach’s Balloon World mini game. Even more odd is that upon glitching out Balloon World, we got our first appearance of Eclipse, only for him to show up again in Ruin. I want to propose that Eclipse was built as a character for Circus Baby’s Pizza World…. Hear me out please, I’m sure that sounds a little nutty😂 But with Balloon World connecting Balloon Boy to Eclipse pretty explicitly, I started trying to connect their design features in order to back that connection up. And while BB and Eclipse don’t have many design similarities other than perhaps their striped outfits, BB’s buttons are an exact match for two of the oddest and most unexplained animatronics in the entire franchise. Fruit Punch and Lemonade Clown… I kid you not even the button holes line up exactly! Those two beverage clowns could easily be connected to Circus Baby’s by theme alone. As for Eclipse however, he does share a pretty prominent design feature with none other than Circus Baby herself. The little jingly shoes! Both Eclipse and Baby have the jester shoes with a single bell. The choice of Help Wanted 2 demos on display at Pax recently also made me scratch my head about this further. I won’t spell it out entirely for those who want to avoid spoilers but two of the three mini games prominently feature Sister Location Animatronics. However, the third demo? Our buddy Eclipse makes an appearance. Okay so maybe a tiny, little, minor spoiler there but it’s very interesting to me that Eclipse could potentially be linked to Sister Location and by extension, Circus Baby’s Pizza World.

[@kumaruatlas9632]

I feel the fact that they have the same teeth doesn’t make eclipse older but it’s actually Eclipse being a creature made with certain designs to the mimic; as from what the books to the games have given us, Fazbear ent has been watching over everything in a sense, they hired Scott to make games that would make light of the real events caused by William, they hired Edwin who made the mimic from scraps and soon they would take the mimic for their own purposes and make even a mimic2, It would make more sense if they used the design choices and schematics from the Mimic which would later be used or adapted onto some of their new animatronic such as Eclipse and the new endos, as Edwin is also the first to make an animatronic copy someone, I feel as if Eclipse has been an older character but not by much, and I feel Eclispe being in a BB arcade game could simply be chalked up to be just a new arcade machine that would be installed onto the pizzaplex

[@tinymeerkat3003]

@@kumaruatlas9632 Thats a fair point, I do believe Fazbear Entertainment are definitely in possession of some of the original animatronic schematics for sure. However I would challenge why Eclipse was the only animatronic also given the feature of opposable teeth and more importantly, why? You’d have to assume they specially chose those particular teeth from The Mimic’s original schematics for a reason and I do struggle to find a motive there. From a product design perspective, features are accompanied by benefits, especially if the feature in question is unique to one specific unit out of an entire line of product. In this case, what benefit do opposable teeth offer Eclipse and not the rest of the Pizza Plex’s animatronics? I think it also depends on where you’d put Circus Baby’s Pizza in the timeline or if you even think it exists at this point 😂 I do believe some of what we see in the games truely happened in the canon narrative and would personally place Circus Baby’s after Charlie’s death and the creation/corruption of Mimic1. I’m not sure I believe Edwin is anything more than a parallel to Henry at this stage although I’m of course open to taking the L on that if presented with the right evidence. However as of right now, I struggle with the fact that we’ve only just recently been introduced to Edwin. If he was truely a key player since the early days of Fazbear Entertainment in the canon narrative, I strongly believe we would have been introduced to him earlier.

[@kumaruatlas9632]

@@tinymeerkat3003 I think the beginning part makes sense but unsure cuz it’s Fazbear Ent. we are taking about but the later part of Edwin not being an actual character in the series I will disagree with you on, is it’s always bugged me with how when referring to who hired Edwin they don’t refer to Henry or William at all, more like some else is already in possession of the company, not just that, I remember writing this on a tweet but I feel with what way these new characters are going, the story is starting to become a cycle of sorts, as many of the characters such Gregory, Vanny, Cassie are potentially the new version/stand ins for the the old characters, also the fact that Edwin story is similar to Henry in the trilogy but not at all to the games, with that being said it would make more sense especially with how the trilogy is leading us into the story of the new games that Henry in the Trilogy is the parallel to Edwin instead of Vice versa, as with the new stories going more in depth with Fazbear Ent. as a company we are going to see what other issues were made by the other workers

[@tinymeerkat3003]

@@kumaruatlas9632 Happy to agree to disagree :)) I’m just amused by the fact that as a community we’re at the point of debating the logistics of animatronic teeth 😂 Thanks for humouring me

[@kumaruatlas9632]

@@tinymeerkat3003 that’s true, but I feel the debate on teeth isn’t far fetched as originally is all about discussing the toes on an animatronic in a funny sense with matpat

[@RaglandIncorporated]

Is Edwin both Afton and Henry? Here's the thing, I really like this at face value. It even makes sense in the "things before Pizza Sim are a story" because every mention of Henry is trying to fix Afton's mistake and how he was a victim, while every mention of Afton is cold, pure evil. Edwin would then represent the REAL situation, a man who was both the cause and the recipient of the pain. Edit: This is also kind of interesting since I always associated Charlie with Green due to the wristband she wore, but Elizabeth is ALSO associated with the green eyes. And with the Silver Eyes going as far to make Baby a version of Charlie, it convinces me that maybe Elizabeth and Charlie are the same too. A child ended by Afton (one way or another) goes on to haunt the animatronic with a connection to their death. I could even see their deaths being different to represent how Edwin sees the event vs the one who died.

[@soullessdoll4129]

Ya this I love this

[@keelyrey64]

But what about the puppet?

[@RaglandIncorporated]

@keelyrey64 That's a fair callout. The Puppet seems to have a presence in the PizzaPlex. I need to put more thought into this but I'm not putting this down yet.

[@antoni4582]

The bit at the end would be amazing to think about, if you take into consideration that in both instances of their deaths, it is "their own fault" Negligence, and ignorance, which resulted in their deaths, and nobody else to blame but themselves A literal representation with "Afton" ending Charlie, and then indirectly being "Afton's" fault that Elizabeth died

[@RaglandIncorporated]

@@antoni4582 Exactly! Now there might need to be some thinking around to figure out how this related to SB, but this kind of thought could open whole new doors into the lore. I even just thought about the fact that Baby during Pizza Sim says the line, "I will make you proud Daddy," which was always a little weird, that Baby was keen on making Afton proud. But then we look at Charlie, who is protecting the innocent, is also making Henry proud. This really good.

[@MystLunarabne]

1:11:16 The elevator drop also still confuses me, like it seems like they wanted more a cool ending than an ending that makes sense. Not because I don't believe Gregory would sacrifice one of his friends, but because it seems like there was actually very little reason to. Like he was giving Cassie directions to the elevator, so assumedly he could see where both she and the mimix were, he knew only Cassie made it to the elevator, he couldn've just let her escape and then disabled the elevator, instead he disabled it without letting her escape. And it's definitely hard to tell if there's actually anything behind the motivation there or if they just fudged some things because still being trapped but with Roxy to help seems like a cool ending.

[@beaversforlife1298]

I like how I am 1000 times more attentive when watching over an hour long videos on fnaf theory than 15 minutes of physics

[@lobesteriiiesq3772]

The code could be something similar to Morse code. For example, 452 could be an e, and 45245 could be a d (just random letters, not proposing actual solutions). It could also potentially be related to base 3

[@reeb3687]

if it is connected with the bases its gotta be base 5 since the biggest thrigit (three-digit) is 3 so it cant be 4 or 5

[@andrewsadach3194]

Those are hash marks used for counting months and/ or years.

[@ThyN00bly]

@@andrewsadach3194while tally marks are most commonly seen to represent time, inherently tally marks just represent number

[@m_artroom]

We would need some sort of decoder for that…

[@reeb3687]

@@andrewsadach3194 why are they all at most 5?

[@OlhaQueCaos]

I love that in the first second of the video the moment he pauses John is making a super weird face and he just stays there until Mat finishes his speech

[@Jaysonengineering]

Baby talks about playing pretend, which strikes a chord as a child's game, like maybe the mimic, as her, was playing pretend (pretend to be deactivated, and in the suit.) 55:00

[@Smiddy711]

I'm glad the Reddit took note of the similarity between Scooper and Burntrap. My pet theory is Gregory saw the scooper (either in old archives or in action) and was inspired. However going from Dream Theory to Fight Club with Freddy with Afton + Emily being the same guy would be a huge twist, but also very hard to execute.

[@fateisnotthesameforall4811]

It's odd how at the end of sister location, Ennard is outside the scooping room while you hear baby's voice talking about how all the characters have already been scooped. She refers to herself in the 3rd person. I suspect there was no Baby at all, other than the suit being called that. It was the mimic the whole time using a voice attributed as being a character named "Baby."

[@unboxing_legend7708]

i would assume she speaks in 3rd person here because she is now infused or joined with ennard due to trying to team together at the time to escape the bunker which was originally successful. the reason why she speaks in 3rd person is because she is no longer in her original body thus stating a 3rd person view, now its basically an outer body experience or percieving what she was from a different perspective. the other reason is to keep on the facade with michael afton until the last second in which she can confirm with ennard that michael has now been scooped and the body can now be used to escape the bunker and stay hidden which falls short due to decomposing not long after. the plan for the animatronics was straight forward but not properly thought out. they assumed that if they can take over a human body with their metal parts, they can either infuse or stay hidden under human skin as long as they wanted, not actually knowing how a human body functions or works. they mustve thought that this wasnt going to backfire on them and was sure itd work well enough to not need a backup plan.

[@bubbamoon6464]

Baby Is Ennard. In Night 5 You See Ennard Behind Baby, Whitch Seems Like A Huge Clue That They Are The Same character. After all, all the other anamatronics in fnaf 5 are diffrent sizes and shapes. Why have ennard so similar to baby unless there the same character. Throught the five nights baby//elizibeth is collecting the parts of the other endoskeletons and adding them to herself so that they can all escape. Thats why on night 4 mike is kidnapped. he's in the baby endoskeleton, because baby needs to know if there the same size in order to use him as a skin suit,

[@fateisnotthesameforall4811]

@@bubbamoon6464 Yo, you made some good points. This is why i'm not a theorist like MatPat or fuhNaff lol

[@bubbamoon6464]

@@fateisnotthesameforall4811 Thanks Man. It is possible that your theory is right too though. i don't know if they retconned some of the story in the new games to make it fall in line with the books.

[@fateisnotthesameforall4811]

@@bubbamoon6464 We could both be right if they retconned ennard to be the/a mimic

[@heylookitscarter3651]

I like the idea of the endo being inside the "tentacles" in the funtimes because it could be compared to human anatomy where the Funtime is the skeleton, the "tentacles" are the muscles, and the suit is like the skin. it just makes sense to me is all.

[@VesselOfChaos]

What I like about MatPat reacting to videos like this is that he never outright says they’re wrong, he just says it’s controversial and brings up some valid points why and he is understanding on how they came up to that conclusion, and when he says they’re wrong he just says he thinks they’re wrong, he just speaks from his own opinion

[@WrenRemm]

10:09 you can see Dan's face when he gets the idea lol 39:43 hearing this after the Mat's rant about the difference between the 3 things in the newset fnaf theory is so funny to me

[@caitlynsoot8102]

I can't wait to watch Matt turn a 16 minute video which he already watched part of into a 1 hour 20 minutes and 42 seconds. All jokes aside though, I can't wait to see Mstts reaction to the rest of this theory!

[@awkwardvulpix3085]

Correction, he turned a 16 minute video into 2 videos, roughly an hour and 20 minutes each

[@StarStarPlayz]

Skill issue

[@ssonnie4705]

My first instinct is that the sequence from the beginning of the video isn't a code, instead a solution. Maybe inputting the sequence onto the wall of balloons with 5 2 4 discolored, the spaces as the circle and the star as the enter or vice versa. Idk it's just a thought I'm a theorist at heart though through working on my own projects I've learned a lot about how misleading a certain formatting can be. It certainly looks like a sentence the way it's laid out, but maybe the spaces are just a part of it

[@realbiggestlegofanconnor7007]

I LOVE the intro theme it’s SO awesome and it’s like Steph is still in GTlive in spirit

[@legomarioboy08]

Mimic is Mimic

[@abnormal_cerealbowl]

thats a huge hot take man idk if you should have posted that

[@monkelifegood]

@@abnormal_cerealbowl yeah man I agree. What he said is a pretty bold claim

[@Itz_Berriblu]

Yes

[@jel0l]

Man idk if you’re right or not but that’s a amazing theory maybe you’ll get featured one day for solving fnaf

[@itshamstertime2709]

Do have any evidence for that? I just can’t wrap my head around it!

[@silencesecho2749]

For the Mimic's right leg (left in photos) it has pins like the Sister Location blueprints. This could just be a design choice, but with the other connections to that game it feels more intentional.

[@the_shadowphoenix]

It also has an Endo-01 arm, an Endo-02 foot, Springtrap's calf, Nightmare Endo's hand, and a Glamrock Endo arm. Nothing special.

[@silencesecho2749]

​@@the_shadowphoenix I do agree that it is not special, but with the reveal that some of the og games are games are in universe made by a secondary party and we can't know what is truth or fiction that it is important. This can help in determining if some of the details such as illusion disk tech are real in game like they are in the books, and we can see what animatronics the mimic has been exposed to/what events it has seen.

[@the_shadowphoenix]

@@silencesecho2749 All the game events are confirmed to have really happened. The games are an accurate source of information. I'm not going to go into the proof for it because I've grown quite tired of having to reexplain it to people every other day.

[@stegosaur9812]

46:24 i was going to say it was her endo skeleton aswell!. the hand and position was a big give away. it also has a compartment in its chest so maybe ice cream was there

[@Daitexe]

Random thing I just thought about midway through as they discuss “the mimic is baby’s endo” THE MIMIC LOSES ITS RIGHT HAND AT THE END OF RUIN, AND SCRAPBABY’S RIGHT HAND IS REPLACED BY A GIANT CLAW. Food for thought!

[@stevenalvarez2924]

I would say that Jester/Clown is just splitting hairs at this point of time. If you take an average joe off the street, they would say Jesters and Clowns are more or less the same thing. It's like trying to make an argument about Klennex and tissue paper. We know that Klennex is a brand but lets be honest here. We all know what you are talking about when you ask for a Klennex.

[@asinglewritandgrit9252]

I think they're functionally the same as they're both entertaining fool characters, and you could even describe one as the other- I'd say a jester is a type of clown and a clown is a type of jester- But they come from wildly different settings. And setting is pretty important for theme restaurants, which it seems like Circus Baby's Pizza World probably is.

[@comicbooknerdisme]

And Scott isn’t perfect, it’s something he may not have considered relevant, like how in fnaf 4, we played a dying child dreaming about animatronics because their frontal lobe was bitten off, but mat pat pointed out that if that happened, the cognitive functions of the kid would’ve been very different

[@sera.tonin.]

what are jesters if not medieval clowns lol

[@unboxing_legend7708]

i would disagree. in the modern era, clowns and jesters are more known as a collective within carnvials being in the same grouping despite not being from the same era. i would assume because they arnt big enough things now however well known as things that still exsist, they merged the two together and it ended up working rather well as a collective rather than their own seperate things. theres only so much in more modern times that u can do with them as a stand alone thing because such things have such a little significance these days that it would make sense for them to merge into one and become a bigger priority or have more significance now they have been merged. going into a slight business talk in relation to this, its kind of like when a company goes bankrupt or is going downhill and gets saved by another company that decides to buy it out. they merge together to work as a collective now still moreless having their own roles to play but working in unison for the market they sell or make products or produce things in. this ensures the failing company stays standing but now works within a new aspect or area having a bigger significance than they did instead of being this stand alone thing that wasnt sticking around much longer. when i think of a steriotypical carnival, i think of one of those clown cars in which multiple clowns come out of and pull essentially magic tricks or illusions and little party tricks, carnival games that win you prizes and rip people off money, those tents with elephants and giraffes and stuff pulling off some tricks and also jesters doing whatever they now do. carnivals in my mind are kind of that mix and match of things that dont really have a big significance anymore but together they gain enough traction to still go on during modern times, ignoring where they originated and what they once revolved around.

[@CiarlaArt]

Unimportant, but Kleenix is not only Tissues, it's also toilet paper, so if someone asked me for Kleenex I'd still have to ask what they wanted.

[@gavinjames645]

Theories and thoughts I have. 1. I hear a lot of people say that the mimic with its amalgam costume is trying to literally be Gregory. 2. After Cassie shut down Roxy she somehow reactivated to save Cassie from the mimic, I think the reason is because she could possibly be possessed. 3. I think the person behind glamrock Bonnie’s demise was actually Freddy himself when he was infected by the glitchtrap virus and after he was freed he never remembered. 4. I think like how Gregory is whether literally or symbolically is the crying child, Cassie is literally or symbolically Cassidy/vengeful spirit.

[@FallenShadowwalker]

With Roxy maybe we don't actually deactivate her? We do the same thing to Eclipse, but it restarts him. By restarting her it deactivates the node attached to her, but she starts back up after. I mean it's not like we weren't being lied to about what we were doing the whole time anyway.

[@deltaeddy7589]

A thought I have on the Roxy theory is that, rather than shutting her off, Cassie instead had rebooted Roxy, which turned on Safe Mode, because as we saw back in the Daycare, when Cassie rebooted Sun/Moon and they became Eclipse, they were only concerned about the safety of Cassie being in the daycare while it was so run down, so maybe when she did it to Roxy, Roxy's protocol activated safe mode and when she heard Cassie in danger, she rushed to save her

[@karazsteel]

Cassie was putting them into safe mode when she thought she was deactivating them yeah. She's a kid, not an engineer, and the Faz Wrench isnt exactly intuitive on what setting it's on or how to adjust it.

[@unboxing_legend7708]

id like to speak on your 2nd point here because this has also bugged me on why she manages to retain her memmory of cassie after a shutdown or reset. one side of me thinks that when the reset happened, it retained the normal state of data programmed in roxy to do what it was intended to do, attend birthday parties, look after children, basically be a guardian for children when the parents would drop them off at the pizzaplex sort of thing. the reason why it remembers cassie was because it keeps hold of some data within the hardware of returning people or of specific things going on in the pizzaplex which the workers can view and see what they can do with. the other reasons it could remember cassie would be that roxy logged in her recorded data that cassie beat roxy at her go kart track where she usually comes 1st which was a signifant thing in the data to record as well as no one but seemingly greggory turning up to her birthday party which was also significant enough that it was recorded in the data or backed up in the programming as something unusual. the other side of me would say that because of the lingering theory that foxy from fnaf 1, is roxy in security breach or at least enough of the metal parts have transfered over to roxy, from foxy, that soul infused thing with metal played a part in telling the programme within roxy to protect cassie from danger because the soul is partly possessed within roxy making her more human like and having these more human interactions rather than whats programmed within chica or freddy or monty. i think as well we can loosely base this same sort of thing onto bonnie as well from the loose theories thats currently been gathered on bonnie. from what we can assume, bonnie seems to also be aware or somehow still self aware of enough of what is going on or what has happened or what is happening within the pizzaplex which is why bonnie began acting weird and going thru certain areas of the pizzaplex on its own fluition after hours. the fact that both roxy and bonnie seem to both be currently self aware and ill say compared to freddy and chica and monty because imo, i feel that freddy isnt self aware but more programmed to do what is seen within security breach, does seem really odd to point out. the way i see it is overtime, we will see chica and freddy and maybe monty become self aware again at somepoint and in some version or form but as it stands, bonnie and roxy are the only two with the possibility of eclipse also being self aware out of no where. -roxy may retain some knowledge or part of the soul infused from foxy's metal parts which were re used -bonnie could also have a similar story to this in which some old parts were infused or bonnie has retained the memmories in other ways, -eclipse is seemingly one of the oldest/earliest animatronics which could be partially possible to why it could be self aware or sentient in some form. as to how or why is unclear but i think we will get answers down the line.

[@ninjabambam9241]

Love seeing fuhnaff theories and love how matpat watches them so he can add onto them

[@maggidenham6576]

4:14 looking into deeper thought, considering that there are plushy’s of circus, baby in the room, perhaps the numbers are a reference to the children she would count whenever they would enter the room - it was featured in one of her monologues before he would start one of the shifts. I don’t remember which one, but I do know it exists.

[@mbot1901]

I think it's important to remember that the mimic's 4 fingered hand is actually just a glamrock endo hand, but the 5 fingered sharp one is unique and more reminiscent of the nightmares (or burntrap i suppose), which makes me think it was built around the same time if not earlier than the nightmares and funtimes. This could actually explain how william was able to make the nightmares in the first place, by using the mimic as a base and building around it. I swear the torso really looks like a nightmare endo too but that's more subjective. The issue is that the rest of the parts look very much like the fnaf 1 era animatronics, but the parts definitely could have been replaced at some point. I just find the hands and teeth to be the most interesting parts.

[@GendoRokabundi]

also, Burntrap may be a nightmare animatronic, since we see the purple gas as it exits its pod. Seeing him via the TVs is odd, but if there is gas where Gregory and Freddy are, that could explain it.

[@unboxing_legend7708]

pretty solid theory with some backup connections could actually be the right direction to think however im still more inclined to say as of rn that its more than just fnaf 5 and 4 animatronics but a mix match from moreless if not all the previous game models into one and adjusted or refined for the mimic to be able to function to a decent extent. the nightmare animatronics has been theorised to be the fnaf 1 versions being re used to scare the child in fnaf 4 so in reality its using fnaf 1 animatronics which were tuned, upgraded and altered into the fnaf 4 versions which both fnaf 1 and 4 parts have been used. its unclear if fnaf 2 parts have been used at all, kinda hard to tell unless theres a side by side comparison to show that there could or could not be and i highly doubt fnaf 3 would be used unless its the spare parts within the security room or within the attraction that were re used as props, then u have the significant similarities to baby and eclipse from those games as well so it seems like at least most of the main line games if not all the main line fnaf games have at least one part which makes up the form of the mimic. realisticly, an odd design choice considering that older and newer models would actually conflict one another rather than work together well enough in a realistic sense unless they were modified and upgraded to forcefully work but i digress.

[@TheAceOfFire]

39:44, You know, now that I stare at babies outfit more... Her shoes do look exactly like a jester's do. They even have a pointed tip with a bell at the end!

[@eloisedevant1127]

Who knows what will actually be next, but narratively I LOVE the idea of 3 games in a row paralleling the 3 books.

[@benmitcham8641]

Henry and William being the same person is an interesting rabbit hole. Henry/ William could be an individual that suffers from Bipolar Disorder, showing the two contrasting personalities of the individuals whilst also keeping the physical and intellectual properties. The William persona could have developed as a result of the bite incident due to the grief and trauma Henry experienced. This could then tie into the creation of eclipse, an Animatronic who, when broken, has two conflicting personalities but when fixed has one complete "whole". this could be symbolic of Henry/ William trying to portray himself as an individual with two halves that need to come to terms with one another to once again become "whole'. This could be supported by the more human-esque design of eclipse, with the teeth and very slight frame compared to the rest of the animatronics, this was meant to represent a person, not a character. then again I could have just spouted a load of nonsense XD

[@kaunta_21]

17:50 Is it possible that the mimic was an old draft of the security puppet? It has a similar build, and in the books, it wears a jester costume, to which the only animatronic similar to it that is as old being the puppet.

[@kaunta_21]

Maybe Henry realized it wouldn't work and repurposed it for Charlie's entertainment while he worked. It could also explain why it has black hair, since Charlie has black hair in Pizzaria Simulator. Maybe it was trying to mimic Charlie physically by adding scrap parts to itself

[@the_shadowphoenix]

Not possible as Edwin and Henry are separate characters. They are not parallels.

[@ShadowKnight785]

It’s good to see MatPat back on the channel! I missed him being here

[@ImmortalAbsol]

Lol what.

[@Hayatonyaaa]

Whenever I look at all the numbers and the way they're spaced out, it makes me think of something like ascii art. Especially if you replaced the numbers with the corospondering colors from the number balloons.

[@meresmear]

Maybe with Afton's big ego, he saw himself as a King and his family royalty. So the initial idea for Baby was an identifiable medieval servant. Then plans changed and Baby was repurpose to clown to be part of or take control of pre-existing carnival assets. Maybe Scott is pulling a Jekyll and Hyde with the fathers.

[@isabelwalker4604]

Yeah I thought the same thing! I mean even a circus performance has a ringleader / ringmaster who controls performances to make sure they go seamlessly. Including clown acts. I did comment saying “What if the jester and circus baby thing is sort of just the duality of it tho? Like a jester serves a king right? What if the king was supposed to be William, and as Williams “jester” baby serves him. She constantly says lines like “I will make you proud daddy”. That way you can draw the parallel between the two characters. Not a direct thing saying that jesters and clowns are the same, but saying yeah these characters are on in the same.“ But yeah I agree with what your saying too!! The change from a jester to a clown is an interesting idea, maybe keeping and editing parts of her body (hair, shoes and the shoulder parts look like the flare part of a jester costume), and completely changing others.

[@nightmareoptics228]

In the last video, when Mat mentioned that there is a possibility that Henry and William aren't real, I planked face down on the floor for 30 minutes in agony. Can't wait to see what this video has in store! Edit: Based on the information @7:00, I'd be interested to go back to the tally marks in the post-it room :) Edit 2: @36:18 If gregory just doodled a comic of the blob ending, maybe it was because he encountered the mimic and the scooper. Just like a kid's imagination, he had to document it!

[@kumaruatlas9632]

On your edit2 I’d say that’s a kinda, as the the blob(tangle) is a real creature making appearance in Ruin so it’s possible that Gregor possibly could’ve seen it, Your theory on how he drew the ending could work as, even tho Burntrap isn’t real, Springtrap is, and probably Gregory drew him based off the games Fazbear Ent. made to make light of this situation which leads me to say I completely agree with you on the part where he says that William n Henry aren’t real, I was so taken out it by him saying that like whyyyyy

[@aaroncoyote4108]

I can't get over how much head editor Dan looks like such a chill bass player!

[@BloobyTheBoobie]

A little late to watching this but, this honestly made me so happy. Just watching fnaf theories when I'm down really does help so much, thank you so much for your videos :)

[@FlowerTwig]

The "hair" and "cheek" on the mimic are just residue from the mascot costumes it wears. The "cheek" is padding that got stuck in it's jaw mechanism and the "hair" is fabric from the either the lining or the exterior of the mascot costumes. We can see, when the mimic wears the costume in the scooper ending that it's ripped and whithered from wear and tear.

[@reeb3687]

Something interesting: from the code shown at the beginning with the numbers, it seems like they should overlap. for each group of numbers on the same horizontal access, the numbers that were directly touching each other i each added, giving us a number value, which i corresponded to a number in the alphabet (overflow past 26 goes back to 1 i.e. 27 -> 1 = a), and put each horizontal line as a "word". after putting this code through a cipher detector, i found a mono-alphabetic substitution decoder, and after entering the code DM F S DQG DPJHM GAS, it gave me AN B C ARE ATION ESC. this is notable, since it is not random letters, and instead are either individual letters or letter combinations that are possible in real english words. it seems like it is missing letters that would otherwise complete the code. maybe im on the wring track, but but these combinations look like an uncannily strong contender.

[@Amethyst.i]

That’s pretty interesting, I wonder if there are any other oddly placed numbers around that would finish the code.

[@Rovy83]

Has anyone tried clicking on the coloured balloons in the order of the tally marks, possibly using the circle or star balloon as a space and the other as an enter?

[@reeb3687]

@@Rovy83 noooo idea but itd be good for as many people as possible to try as many different things as they could possibly think of

[@RivkahSong]

16:40 Honestly? When you see the mimic's face up close that doesn't look like hair, it looks like ragged cloth. It kind of reminds me of Sun's dirty yellow cheek and Moon's dark blue hat. I wonder if the Mimic was the first Eclipse? After, all we see Sun/Moon/Eclipse's entire job is watching over small children and acting like a child while their parents are busy just like the Mimic was made to do by Edwin with his son. \ We know from Security Breach when Vanessa threatens to have Freddy's endo removed and the case put on a spare that multiple Endos with the same personality programming exist. They couldn't do that for Bonnie because there was no case for them to reuse. But if the Mimic was attacking people they may have pulled our a replacement endo and costume and just locked up the original. Or Mimic could be like the original Freddy Fazbear is to the Glamrock version of Freddy. Sun could be the mimicry it learned from Edwin's son and Moon the violent part learned from the grief-stricken Edwin.

[@the_shadowphoenix]

My brother in Christ the books literally explain what the Mimic is and what his purpose is

[@RivkahSong]

@@the_shadowphoenix First of all, not a guy. Second of all I know that, It's why I drew the parallel to the fact that they were both made to entertain kids while parents were busy. But people have been wondering why Sun/Moon/Eclipse is given such a prominence in the DLC, even having more merch than Freddy. I'm suggesting Sun/Moon/Eclipse will have a larger role in the future because it's a second, newer version of the Mimic. It's not Baby we should be looking at, it's the Daycare Attendent.

[@the_shadowphoenix]

@@RivkahSong the word "parallel" makes me mad lol and I say "my brother in Christ" to everyone, I've consumed too many discord memes lol

[@RivkahSong]

@@the_shadowphoenix My condolences that you're angered by a word, I guess? 😕

[@the_shadowphoenix]

@@RivkahSong I'll live. It's not very rational of me.

[@wickedwhoreslag]

Something I noticed is that the mimic has straight black hair, the same as Cassidy. So if it’s true that the mimic and baby are one in the same then, this would make sense why in numerous books Cassidy and Elizabeth and mentioned sharing the same body. Maybe the mimic, was trying to mimic Cassidy?

[@zergburger1861]

dont forget that Baby mentions that she, unlike the other animatronics knows how to pretend. also maybe the chip that you take from her is the mimic program?

[@candyaxe9761]

finally someone mentioned the hair, and thank god it was matpat of all people, it’s been on my mind since i first saw it and i hadn’t seen anyone mention it i thought i was going mad 😂