Did

[@FuhNaff]

Thanks for reacting and being so supportive 💙

[@nickperez4158]

You also watched this after your stream?

[@danilutka]

Excellent job 👏 👏

[@Dr.Fluffles]

Here's a couple theory thoughts that may or may not be useful that I wrote separately, if you find them interesting. I'd just call the messy Mimic virus that's learned from everywhere straight out the "Messy Mimic," or the "Amalgam Mimic" in reference to the old Afton Amalgam. The Blob is a soul magic physical amalgamation of the remnant and anguish, but no longer with any actual souls in it, but the Amalgam Mimic is the amalgamation of former human personalities, again without a soul. So far the only ensouled creatures seem to be Freddy as possibly Michael, given his comments when entering the ruins, Vanessa, and probably Gregory even if he's a robot, as it'd be weird for the protagonist to be just another AI copy. (Also, a thought on Burntrap, he might be made partly from AI data from the mimic, but the human parts in him might signify occult experimentation towards actual reanimation by Vanny. Maybe the Blob being nearby is a sign of experimentation with remnant from animatronics that have met Afton, with a physical body ensnared in a similar way to the original, and the failed materials tossed aside.)

[@Eldirian24]

You make me wanna pursue a channel of my own about fnaf (only reason I haven’t acted on it is cause I don’t want all the hate comments not cause they’ll hurt just cause I don’t got the patience for them all)

[@funnymanactivities]

W theories from this dude

[@bjk-89]

Matt’s laugh at the proposal of Michael being a robot, was the perfect blend of “you are so dumb for saying that” and “oh my God, he could be on to something.”

[@mattadamson8507]

Burger

[@Joe-cb1rc]

@@mattadamson8507 pregananant

[@RainbowSprinklesYT]

EXACTLYYYYYY XD

[@RainbowSprinklesYT]

​@@Joe-cb1rcw o t

[@juliemesser2053]

​@@Joe-cb1rcCreep.

[@velvetcoach]

I love how Mat is, at this point, the dad mentor figure to all the newer theorists that they most likely all grew up with. And is accepting all their theories like "omg this is great, you made this?"

[@lonely-lee]

he aboutta hang some of these theories on the fridge

[@subway_koopa]

"Here here kids, it's time to tell you a bedtime story, it's about LOOOREE"

[@geekygoggles628]

Dadpat, engage!

[@arandomperson6807]

DADPAT

[@CCEnby85]

Father Matthew Patthew is giving “way to go superstar” level of GlamDadFreddy vibes-

[@laurenbea1066]

"Whoever made those story decisions should apologize, and feel very bad about themselves." what a quote matt

[@markeyeplier5196]

From the whole hour and a half video,I read this comment the second he said it for me

[@sup3rj4k37]

​@@markeyeplier5196same.

[@serpentes585]

It's SOOOO true

[@AshChiCupcak]

​@@markeyeplier5196That literally happens to me everytime I check the comments, if I see a quote, it's always when I'm at that point in the video. It's starting to get spooky lol

[@follower8815]

Is Scott not the one writing the lore?

[@pkdesuwu]

the thing I love about john/s theories are that he looks at things from a different perspective so different from the already known theories, that it sends the community into rage and it's hilarious, bc you can tell those sending threats or whatever don't know the difference between a theory and a fact sure the theory may not be right, but it brings a new perspective to the scene that could help solve the current theories

[@innertuber4049]

Screw those people man

[@AshChiCupcak]

It's ridiculous to think people will send threats over a THEORY about a game. If it's that important to you, then you need to literally go outside and touch all the grass cuz it ain't that serious 🤦‍♀️

[@agiammarco94]

@@AshChiCupcak Especially for a franchise that changes as much as FNAF does

[@Parallelocam]

It's too much throwing crap at a wall to see what sticks for my liking. At some point you're just tossing out ideas that will never in a million years come true to have content, and it's a waste of time for everyone involved. And you can only look at a wall full of crap for so long before you ask yourself why you're staring at a wall full of crap. I love theorizing, but I think there also needs to be boundaries where the theories can't be so loose so constantly. Fuhnaff is great at thinking outside the box but he overdoes it to the point where you start to kind of doubt the original theory it was all stemming from But yeah nobody should ever make threats. I guarantee you most threats made online are from literal children that are trolling in an extreme fashion and nobody is any the wiser.

[@melodygarrison8071]

Exactly and I feel like for the most part theory videos are never going to be 100% correct. Sure they may get some stuff right but all they can do is piece together the source material given to them and try to make sense of it.

[@Mockingdragon]

I love that we can put together a timeline of GT Live filming based on where Matt has been bouncing around the world

[@yuigoto1357]

Yes it's my favourite thing to do while watching

[@elijahsmall5873]

True lol

[@chaoticcow4357]

LITERALLY!! I do that all the time.

[@itsatticuss]

that's what I've been doing lmao

[@thansp02]

I hope they reqct to skibidi toilet

[@greenerstnick]

The FNAF lore has gotten so complicated, that maybe the real robots are the friends we made along the way.

[@azurionn69]

maybe the real friends are the robots we made along the way

[@racketyzero1620]

wait...

[@VinayThakurCool]

lore moment

[@Eldersh1eld]

@@azurionn69we are the five nights at Freddy’s

[@canineatnight6026]

maybe the real robots are the robots we made along the way

[@G12G4]

Keep in mind, a book usually is in development 1-2 years before publishing. Chances are the full trilogy had been planned and probably written in tandem with the development of Sister Location. Because The Twisted Ones came out in 2017, chances are, it was already written or almost finished when Sister Location released.

[@ricy4059]

But then sister location was probably in development and writing for then 2 years before it released as well, so all I all it can be and it might also not be, just no definitive.

[@rh7474]

@@ricy4059 That's pretty much impossible. FNAF 4 came out in July 2015, Sister Location came out in October 2016. Scott has also had a history of very fast development cycles for all of original games and Sister Location barely has any real dialogue. Theres no way he was developing or writing that game for 2 years.

[@noname_noname_]

​@@ricy4059 2 years??? LMFAOO..

[@eggiboiroi]

@@noname_noname_hanks for forgetting about fnaf world AGAIN! there’s a game before game five y’all 😭😭😭 edit: AND! that game is when we first meet baby! she kills the creator!

[@Predated2]

@@ricy4059 the games themselves always had relatively little writing and lore attached during the gameplay. The gameplay and 3-d modelling takes the most time, and Scott has always finished games within 5-7 months. Especially since Scott never announced when a game would release, so we can almost assume that Scott finished the games within 1 month before it's release and spend a month testing. His games are short, mostly reliant on variables that are easy to alter, and most of his time would be spend on modelling and graphics. Sister Location was by far his most complex game, but no way he spend more than 1 year on it. Especially since he waited on misconceptions from FNAF 4 that could affect gameplay and design heavily.

[@amandamoore7512]

I wish I had a nickel for every time Matt paused to ask a question less than 60sec before it gets answered

[@wagadoogy420]

unimaginable riches

[@nicholasromero739]

Watching Matt react to Jon's baby moment is so fun and heartwarming. He's so proud like he could grab Jon by the face with both hands and shake him back and forth screaming, "MY BOY YOU'VE DONE IT!"

[@EM-uq3it]

I love how the theorist team are slowly losing their minds Such as MatPat being a robot made by Scott Cawthon…

[@Limefrog444]

Fr

[@Ashly-28]

It's canon.

[@EM-uq3it]

@@Ashly-28”It’s a canon event” ☝️🕸️

[@Limefrog444]

Werd creeper for no reason ⬛⬛🟩🟩🟩🟩⬛⬛ ⬛⬛🟩🟩🟩🟩⬛⬛ 🟩🟩🟩⬛⬛🟩🟩🟩 🟩🟩🟩⬛⬛🟩🟩🟩 🟩⬛⬛⬛⬛⬛⬛🟩 🟩⬛⬛⬛⬛⬛⬛🟩 🟩⬛⬛🟩🟩⬛⬛🟩 🟩⬛⬛🟩🟩⬛⬛🟩

[@supriyapatil537]

FINALLY WE HAVE SOME COMFIRMED CANON EVENT

[@j-j8984]

I just had a thought, and others have most likely thought of this as well, instead of Mike literally not being Williams son, it could also be him disowning him "You basically killed my youngest son(bite victim) so you are no longer my son!" which would make sense as to why Clara is so desperate for Vlad to accept the baby, she's trying to tell William that, "hey, he IS your son, you need to be there for him." But I'm just grasping at straws

[@Alexzy39]

What would that lead to tho, it would be a completely useless fact

[@j-j8984]

​@@Alexzy39true true

[@hiraeth.42]

Oooo, that's good. I've never thought about that, but it makes sense.

[@Bethylee]

Reading this, it also makes me wonder, does the Vlad and Clara thing have a double meaning? both Mike and Charlie bot?

[@pelahnar4]

Yeah, I kept thinking that it didn't make sense for the story about a vampire denying a child would be a parallel to someone kidnapping a child and raising them as their own. Shouldn't it be "the baby isn't _yours_ " "yes it is" "no it's not"? Unless - I just made myself laugh with this thought - it's the opposite of an adopted/step-child yelling "you're not my real dad!" You played a prank that killed my kid, you're not even my real son!

[@KnZ1940]

MatPat seems to have forgotten that a band of people doesn't just refer to a music band. A band of people can be a family, a group of performers etc which without a doubt the sister location animatronics do qualify as.

[@mattadamson8507]

King

[@indiawadsworth1834]

A band can also be a group of people who have a common interest or purpose, which the SL animatronics also do qualify as

[@Parallelocam]

This is more of a reach than your average Fuhnaff theory, which is saying something. Take it at face value. You don't have to jump through hoops just to make "band" work. Sometimes you have to just admit they legitimately meant a band that plays on stage.

[@Salza02]

In the sister location trailer we see all the animatronics together performing. I know it’s for trailer purposes but they can be performed together

[@sweetbnuy]

He didnt forget, its just that between a literal band and a band = "group of people with similar things", he choose the literal band.

[@zorbrian8294]

Matt is understandably upset by the Charlie+Elizabeth combo in Baby, but doesn't refer to the theory of Golden Freddy holding two personalities as well, so it is an established thing that can happen albeit under different circumstances.

[@KimimaroYenPup]

Well Mats problem was that Charlie's soul is in the puppet and that has been established. However I know that splitting a soul is also established and so is soul combining(something about the remnant/agony and injectables, I think it was about the funtimes, specificlly the freddy) and the Eliza+Chalie combo is also established which Mat notes at 48:14 so I guess the question becomes, do we know when or how Charlie's 'soul' was split? Like Afton did his 'harvesting' in a little lab right, but Charlie was reported dead in an accident, which makes me go, how did they keep the remnant? I dont think we have too much to go on but I think it would be a bit difficult to keep the soul if the 'saving it' didnt come immediately after death, the only instance that comes to mind is The Puppet, which crawled to Charlie after her death and 'died' with her there.

[@Doolaidman]

@@KimimaroYenPup this theory is that its not two souls in baby, its a VIRUS made for charlie and elizabeth's soul in baby

[@rejuno1991]

​​​@@KimimaroYenPupIs not charlies soul being split or anything, is a program mimicking Charlie, as the Charliebot endo is just that. The same way the mimic copies William, the program is copying charlie

[@xPinkAndPeacex]

The theory of Baby originally being a Charlie bot makes the whole concept of Charlie bots/Eleanor in the books make a lot more sense. When I first heard about that (having never read the books myself) it seemed so far out of left field, but if THIS was the intention in SL all along, then it's actually not such a crazy narrative.

[@austinbobo1344]

I love how Matpat always overextends just for him to unpause and have it confirmed immediately.

[@starchild199x]

I do that all the time watching videos lol, alone ... in my living room ... talking to myself... I'm not crazy I promise! 😂

[@enbybisaster5732]

@@starchild199x i hope youre not crazy because i do that too.. if youre crazy for doing it, then surely i am....

[@docn1ght]

@@enbybisaster5732 crazy?

[@enbybisaster5732]

@@docn1ght i was crazy once.

[@jpreyes6640]

@@enbybisaster5732 they put me in a room

[@mozim5517]

Only MatPat can turn a 17 minute video, into a full movie.

[@EstebanUniVersidad08]

I never thought of watching a gt live video as watching a movie lmao

[@tired_s1oth]

​@EstebanUniVersidad08 and yet it's as long as Nightmare before Cheisrmas, Dumbo, and Zombieland lol

[@dw15lv]

Bruh…

[@lockse098]

Imagine the video length if he was to react to the full fnaf movie 😅

[@JayJayIsKayKay]

​@@lockse098I'd be disappointed if it wouldn't be 5 days,...ATLEAST...

[@alexoxo1]

This is one of those theories where you’re like “it all makes SO much sense now” but you’re not sure if that was Scott’s plan

[@tims5978]

Scott be fumbling his story so bad it somehow ends up making sense

[@ftards6363]

​@@tims5978when u create a story that can go 4 different ways, its hard to miss

[@solairedude7119]

Almost like Scott/Steel Wool just put random lore things for the community to theorize, then steal elements from theories for future games

[@PDD555]

I sometimes think that Scott makes the story based on the theory

[@Squeegeeeeeeeeeeee]

Aww, I miss John on the couch. I hope he can make a return someday. I’m so proud of him. From a fan/theorist to joining Mat on the couch had to be such an amazing feeling. I see him going far in his FNAF theorist career. ❤

[@StrawberryDusty]

I’d like imagine Matpat just on a plane with the newest Fnaf book in one hand and an entire notebook and binder full of the “book lore” and tons of sticky notes just tabbing everything lmao

[@Hadeks_Marow]

One really strong piece of evidence that we are glossing over: "I'm really good at playing pretend", to me, "pretend" and "mimic" mean the same thing. That's what a mimic does, it pretends to be something it's not. This one line perfectly sets up how baby could be pretending to be afton. Why not-charley became glitchtrap.

[@angelfoxdreamer3755]

With Sister Location I took the pretend line to be a hint towards Ennard. That Ennard is pretending to be Baby. Not sure at what point it became Ennard instead of Baby. On the last night it is entirely Ennard. No way Baby could be talking to us as she is completely off. I can't see her eyes at all. Ennard later on tells the player everyone got scooped already. This is entirely in Baby's voice. Mimic and pretend can be similar. There is a huge difference between the two. Mimic is closer to copy. Pretend is more like acting. In the situation of a yes or no question. If you were mimicking someone you have to answer the same way they would. If they said yes you would mimic and say yes. But if your pretending to be someone else you can say no. Even if you knew they would answer with a yes.

[@kitkatwood6229]

That's actually a really good point I haven't seen anyone mentioning yet. Think you're onto something

[@nairu807]

To me, mimic just means to copy/mirror. They aren’t necessarily pretending to be something it’s not like the same way your reflection in the mirror isn’t you. It’s still you but with a faster reaction speed to copy your movements. That’s my interpretation at least.

[@mario_maniac9368]

Yea, I'm sorry pretend and mimic are different meanings, but u see what you mean

[@Hadeks_Marow]

@@mario_maniac9368 Not to that of a child, who the mimic was impersonating at the time. Especially given the context of the full sentence that the term was used in.

[@aa_batterybloomin1305]

I love Proud Dadpat complimenting John throughout the video!!! It's so wholesome and sweet (also it's nice to see theorists in ANY FANDOM not at each other's necks whenever one brings up a new information or an alternative perspective)

[@nickynegron3515]

Facts. Thats the reason I stay out of any theorizing Convo for Star Wars lmfao.

[@0potion]

​@@nickynegron3515Yeah I watched one of the lives where they had him on live and I felt like they spent a lot of time just dumping on him during that 1. Admittedly they did come around towards the end and let up on him.

[@abstractdoodlez]

Dadpat? What 👁👄👁

[@averagegenzguy2751]

@@abstractdoodlez he's a father, ya know

[@Sunxflare]

Around 23:15, I want to point something out to Mat: I can’t speak for other people’s writing processes, but when it comes to me personally at least, if I’m writing something that spans across multiple books, BIG plot twists like in this case “Charlie was the one kidnapped all along” would be set in stone most likely during the writing and editing of Silver Eyes or even while developing Sister Location so you can lay that groundwork earlier and slowly drop hints. Writing a book series can take a lot of planning in order to be effective in its storytelling, and such major plot reveals (at least how I write, again, not saying it is for everyone) are not always some spur in the moment idea.

[@lauraleighx]

yes i completely agree

[@vaehtay]

Yeah, I completely agree with this-I could understand assuming that smaller plot points weren’t fully planned, but big reveals *definitely* should start in the ideation process. Even if it wasn’t set in stone in The Silver Eyes, I’m sure the thought had crossed Scott’s mind while writing that book, and if he is truly making things vague so that he can change the story of the games on a whim without it ruining everything, I’m sure he’d at least put sort of… “story safeguards” in place in Sister Location so it still connected properly if he took the flipped-kidnapping route in the books. (However that’s assuming that he didn’t already know that HAD to be a plot point by the first books-which, I’m pretty sure he did. Or at least probably should have.)

[@neliaortiz9724]

With how vale Charlie's memories of the kidnapping are, with them cutting of the second Afton gets close to presumably grabbing Sammy, Scott definitely had the whole "It was me and not same who got kidnapped" plot twist planned from the beginning, same with the Charlie being a robot (or for that one he at least had the idea because it can't be a coincidence that in the very first book Charlie only remembers that she and her aunt went to grab something from the 3rd bigger closet but coincidentally doesn't remember what it was)

[@tobysinbad]

I consider Scott Cawthorne to be a smart, adaptive “flying by the seat of his pants” kind of writer. The irregular releases (dropping games early on a whim at first and rushing to release unfinished games late now); the more obvious retcons or dropped threads (like the box, puppet pronouns, 1987 etc); and a score of missed opportunities for clarity aren’t the hallmarks of a writer who worked with his team of Scholastic spinoff book authors to write a twist that would parallel his games years in advance. This story is really interesting and Scott is talented, but sometimes folk give the guy a lot of credit for stuff he doesn’t even claim to do

[@innertuber4049]

Spur of the moment

[@Incrementium]

39:30 - In relation to the "Crush the vile band" part. I think there is nuance. To crush, can also mean defeat. And a "band" isn't restricted to a musical band. Band also just means a group of people, like a group of students in the same school year is that year's band of students.

[@143abc]

The mimic having data from multiple different sources could be a reference to Candy Cadet’s five keys being melted into one story. You try to save all the souls by fusing things together but end up not saving anyone, similar to the save them/him mini games.

[@143abc]

And in a more literal sense, the blob and other animatronics and survived the fire could also be in reference to the keys. In order to save the souls you melt them down with the FNAF 6 fire, but you end up saving none of them.

[@gilagal777]

SO GLAD Mat's reacting to this, this theory is definitely one of my favorites from John, it has some really great points :D

[@elijahsmall5873]

It’s a bit stretchy in a lot of places but it’s still a decent theory that views things from a different perspective which is always nice to see in theory crafting.

[@gilagal777]

@@elijahsmall5873 Oh, for sure! There are definitely parts I'm not very on board with, but there are some great moments that bring some really important observations to light!

[@solairedude7119]

I like it but Baby's personality stays pretty much the same after the chip is taken out, cuz it's Ennard with Baby in it talking, and the fact that she calls the others in ennard dummy when she gets ejected, just like when she had this supposed chip in her.

[@Beathisat7]

@@solairedude7119 Considering she's pretending I could see it more as Micheal taking out something else, like maybe the actual A.I of Baby, or some coded in restrictions to the A.I which limits what the Souls influence could actually do. Like how the FNAF 1/2 animatronics can't enter the safe room or stop attacking after 6A.M

[@callmehotnotpretty1]

​@@solairedude7119her personality doesn't really stay the same in the long run tough. In SL she's a master manipulator, she's self aware, she only wants to get out of the facility and into the real world. In Pizza Sim, her goals are to "make her daddy proud". Completely different from the more independent character she was in SL. I think Michael must've put the chip somewhere, so Baby could still communicate with him. Maybe into Hand Unit?

[@Tweaks_Turns]

50:00 I can see where the Charlie and Elizabeth would get mixed up, but this part also makes sense. After you take the chip out of baby she says "Put the chip in the handheld device, you will be able to hear me" (not word for word) and so you would saving the part that is Charlie, and being able to hear her. On Elizabeth's end, she is still in the animatronic body, and would end up becoming a part of Ennard, enabling us to hear her in the extra nights. basically Elizabeth and Charlie would have shared the same body, but Michael would take Charlie, and leave Elizabeth behind. (also the reason we can still hear Elizabeth "You came back for me") (Sorry if any of this was said by MatPat, I wrote this before continuing so I would not forget)

[@mantis-manthegreat]

What you've said isn't unfamiliar to FNAF at all, and makes enough sense to me! Now I'm thinking about how this would effect Ennard and pizzeria simulator...

[@patoman5112]

And in hw the voice is the same as hand unit has. Mabye fazber entertainment scanned the hand unit to get something for the game and accidentally got the Charlie too

[@mjm3091]

I think John mentioned this in the video, not sure if Mat skipped through it or I skipped through him reacting to it. ButI feel like that was also pretty solid point connecting this theory.

[@patoman5112]

@@mjm3091 I thought it sounded familiar

[@Parallelocam]

It's a bad theory because if the chip is on Michael, it would have been mentioned in AR when they scanned in everything. They would have mentioned finding michaels corpse too. Anna kwentos team member made a comment about being hesitant to scan spring trap. It's not that deep or plot twisty. Fuhnaff is reaching hard here (as usual). Glitchtrap came from spring traps suit and no marionette is "influencing" the pizzaplex. It's just a design choice of whoever designed the pizzaplex. There is no reason to believe that Charlie was ever in baby. It was all Elizabeth plotting with the others to form ennard and escape.

[@Purrsephone19]

I really love and appreciate how Matt will ALWAYS take a second and really consider the theories, either when someone agrees with him on something or has a WILDLY different theory to him. He may not agree with all of it, but he takes time to seriously consider everyrhing. He s so supportive of newer creators and I applaud you Matt! If anyone on the theorist team sees this I appreciate all your hard work! Also I miss Stephanie, she has such a great energy and she is so appreciated too, even if she doesn't appear on screen too much! I've also loved seeing new people on all the channels, I've been watching for 5 years now, and I've only gotten more and more excited and impressed with the content you put out! Amy, Sam, Matt, Ash and all other couch friends are awesome additions as well. I think you are doing a great job!

[@masquaylathesplendid7516]

50:30 The volume of Baby's voice does not change in that night, because you still have Handunit on you. However, Elizabeth's voice *does* change in volume and reverb relative to where Ennard is. Neat little detail that I didn't even notice until just recently.

[@MichaelLight96]

What I haven't heard people talk about is which version of "Save" they mean in the hidden message. "Save" as in rescue, or "save" as in a copy. When we figure that out, then it'll help decipher the message Edit: keep in mind it could be referring to a character we've yet to play, like the ruin dlc character

[@MrJoesGaming]

I still always think “the baby isn’t mine” is Michael watching his own life on the screen. He is that baby that William disowned after he kills his younger brother. The anger he felt towards Michael means that he neglects that son, where his wife is trying to point out you can’t treat your own son that way, but he keeps saying something along the lines of; “that’s not my son, I disown him”.

[@Jrsonicyt-is-weird]

Right?

[@Juan.s_Potatoes]

In the logbook, he says he relates to the mom iirc

[@benislazy9569]

Thing is though he didn’t neglect him fully, I can totally see him harbouring negative feelings towards him but he still asked him to do all the things he did in sister location shown when Michael says “Father, I did it, I found it, It was right where you said it would be”. William still maintained somewhat of a relationship with him, whether good or not we don’t fully know

[@flouttie]

william literally hates michael

[@sokaize]

@@benislazy9569 Michael could've been desperate to get his father to forgive him so when he finally gets a letter from his neglectful dad, he does it. William sent it because he knew he had power over Michael

[@katiesherman6517]

Also, when it comes to “crushing the vial band” the only characters Greg does crush are band members. Sun/Moon is a daycare attendant and he is not harmed, and Music Man is a DJ but not a band member, and he is also unharmed by Greg. So another point to Gregory.

[@interstelllar1888]

I appreciate this comment

[@katiesherman6517]

@@interstelllar1888 And I appreciate your appreciation! 😁

[@G12G4]

Yes, the literal "crush the vile band" fits best with Security Breach, but the words "crush" and "band" have other meanings (very few bands of theives also have instruments and stage shows) so it could easily have the second meaning of "Destroy the vile group" and we all know Scott goes in for those double meanings and that what is most literal often isn't the answer.

[@johndinner4418]

well, he didn't destroy them did he, he got scooped

[@sweetbnuy]

Really it doesnt seem to be a double meaning, specially when paired with "shooting" and "running" that doesn't take place on SL (and the fact William's character would never say something along the lines of "saving" something)... It's a real stretch for something it already has a simpler meaning that makes sense. It's not following the scientific method there.

[@jc_art_]

​@@sweetbnuyweeelllll, "shooting" could potentially refer to "shooting electricity" but yknow, thats not the most likely answer since shooting a gun is more obvious, but awkhams razor has never really applied to fnaf. Remember in fnaf 4 there was the bite of 83 vs 87? The most obvious answer was 87, but no it was 83. Remember that time when the main character of sister location turned actually purple? Well turns out hes not the purple guy. Remember when we were shown 6-7 fnaf games and thought the story actually happened in the games world? No actually it was all video games made by a crazy game developer, and nothing from those games should be considered as true anymore. Hey Remember when nothing in the first 7 games actually happened? Well turns out it did actually happen and we still need to take those games into consideration with the lore. What answer is most obvious is almost never the true answer when it comes to fnaf. Only thing we can be sure of is that at some point in that universe there was an animatronic bear with the last name Fazbear

[@gant73]

​@@jc_art_ You never run in the game either. You walk.

[@gant73]

​@@jc_art_and crush.

[@everettlmao]

1:12:04 Something I noticed here is that in this frame MatPat paused on, the spray paint is purple, and the exit sign above is green. This isn't a crazy thing, but exit signs are typically red. There have been exit signs in FNAF 3 and UCN that are red, so it's not impossible that the green color is not a coincidence, especially under the premise that the Mimic has learned from Charlie, but Vanessa also plans to move Glitchtrap into the Mimic. Maybe Vanessa plans on ejecting Charlie from the Mimic? Although admittedly that would be strange. It's most likely a coincidence and nothing intentional, but because color has become such a huge part of FNAF, it would be interesting to see where exactly purple and green are shown in the games. Even something like how FNAF 3 is mostly green could resemble how Charlie's presence litters the place, even though that is a bit of a stretch. But under that same principle, Afton's robots in Sister Location are purplish, or at least I believe that's what Scott had said in Dawko's interview. Again, a huge stretch, but wouldn't be surprised if those colors were chosen to represent William Afton.

[@liberpolo5540]

I honestly enjoy so much seeing Matpat as an Elder of the lore knowing the franchise like the back of his hand impossibly well, I don't know why but its free serotonin.

[@existentialselkath1264]

John is really good at connecting together long threads of interconnecting info, completely separate from anything else. Its interesting to see him come up with a ton of different threads. Even if they contradict each other or some go too far in one direction, it's a great way to brainstorm different options. Its important to get as many puzzle pieces as possible before putting them together, even if some end up being from the wrong set.

[@nieshamcphearson.871]

I'm confident mat has not actually read the books in a very long time. He said he does but I highly doubt it. Because when he talks about them he gets alot of plot points mixed up from one book to the other and just seems he's trying to pull from memories that are way to old. He doesn't seem to have a solid grasp on the lore anymore and just doesn't wanna admit it.

[@Hex.A.Decimal]

​@@nieshamcphearson.871I read clip notes, he did too. I'll admit it though, the first book broke me. He should admit it too but he won't.

[@s.oulars]

@@nieshamcphearson.871 i dont see that at all when it comes to his grasp on the lore, it is very clear he has a deep understanding of the storylines and evidence given to us. somebody with no grasp wouldnt be able to cite specific moments and images so effortlessly

[@istvankeri6688]

@@nieshamcphearson.871 I mean to be fair there is like 37 stories in Fazbear Frights alone, so y'know, it's kinda difficult to remember things when a lot of the stories are basically interchangeable. Same with the Silver Eyes Trilogy, where the story is in many elements similar to FF and also kinda falls apart by the middle of Fourth Closet.

[@blackcatdragon]

What I love about the connection between the Immortal and the restless and the Baby theory is that the dichotomy between what we hear Vlad say and what we see in the show perfectly applies to Baby. Both statements are true. While the Baby Robot (Charlie Mimic who killed Elizabeth) isn't his as he did not create her, Baby IS his, as she becomes haunted by his very own daughter. And thus, visually changing. Even though the "Baby" is not his, we can see that the child is. I would even argue that the title of the show works perfectly as the Immortal here is ElizabethxCharlie Mimic, as she is already dead, but cannot move on and the Restless is William, as even though he dies, he "always comes back" and thus, cannot rest. Furthermore, I agree that the original Baby, while connected to Charlie, is not her. I think we need to differentiate between the real Charlie who got killed and became Puppet and the Charlie Mimic who became the original Baby and got "adopted"(recuperated) by William. (I don't think "stolen" is right here, as you can't steal something that was abandoned) I think that way, it can even explain the origin of Nightmarionne as, like in the books, the Charlie Mimic got beaten up by Henry and thus, the data of Charlie the Mimic had got corrupted. Even more so after being fed new data by William to "count children" and scoop the remaining one. Thus, creating an "Evil Charlie". Which is the version we save by removing her from Baby in SL and the one who we see connected everywhere in SB. That makes more sense to me that an Evil Charlie would end up interested in data from William in HW and become Glitchtrap than the Charlie we know that just want to save people. Even more so that in a sense, Evil Charlie was "raised"(trained) by William. Thus becoming "the fearful reflection of what [he](William) [has] created". Another fun thought: isn't a reflection just a mimicry of reality? 🤔

[@arelisalejandro793]

This makes a lot of sense! I think this helps to clear the confusion between what was done by the real Charlie and what was done by the Charlie Bot. And like you already mentioned, it would also help to explain the existence of Nightmarionne, since he kind of just appeared out of nowhere and we don't know much about him. I really think Mat and John should take a look at this ^^

[@jonasquinn7977]

Personally while I like the theory I don’t buy that Henry attacked and abandoned the robot Charlie, after all the main difference between the books and this is that the Mimic was built before the sons death and accidentally reminded the father of his dead child whereas here Henry would’ve intentionally built the Charlie bit after her death More likely in my opinion is that Henry built the Charlie Bot and Afton decided that his best possible way to screw with him would be to steal the robot and reprogram it to help with his schemes

[@Lazurit8]

My favourite implementation of this theory is that FNAF6 Baby isn't actually SL Baby, but only Elizabeth half of her, which explains the shift in personality. This means that in HW2 or later games we may once again get an ambitious independent Baby instead on Afton sidekick

[@Lazurit8]

*implication

[@TheGooseOfChaos]

​@@Lazurit8you can edit comments y'know... right?

[@15drasedrase]

I am not s fan of FNAF as a gamer, too much anxiety, but I have watched every video of Matt discussing this franchise multiple times 😂 will never get tired of it. Thank you team theorist for all of your hard work making our lives just a bit better ❤️

[@teganr5665]

Same. The games aren't my jam, but the lore is fascinating to me just because of how utterly cuckoo-bananas it all is. It's a lot of fun seeing the varied interpretations that people come up with. :D

[@15drasedrase]

@@teganr5665 agreed!!!! They do a great job, I love how the team appreciates and gives credits to other theorists too :)

[@wooperman6960]

Same here!!

[@historicflame972]

I've known this franchise for a decade and yet only last week did I realise fnaf 2 comes before fnaf 1

[@15drasedrase]

@@historicflame972 give it another decade and the consensus in the fan base might be that they actually aren't even in the same universe lmao 🤣

[@earringpranks2]

Don’t know if this has been mentioned yet, but talking about multiple spirits/programs coexisting in a single entity sounds awfully similar to the stories told by Candy Cadet. Could be a coincidence, could be a wink wink nudge nudge.

[@lucamaddison6831]

50:00 you could argue that the voice youre hearing is just the voice synthesised from her actual robot voice box, and so it doesnt matter if its the programmed voice lines or a spirit manipulating the robot, the voice will sound the same either way, so charlie uses baby's voice box to talk to you with baby's voice, and then later elizibeths spirit uses that same physical voice box to talk in the same voice.

[@Lyddy-Draws]

I love that Mat just laughs when others have solid points

[@pedrostormrage]

31:14 "It's this cat and mouse chase that is so fascinating. It's like chasing a serial killer" "Serial retconner" Now we know what to put on a wanted poster for Scott 😂

[@amalgrim]

Just a couple of random bits gathered from watching these over the years: Fnaf World was de-canonized, but it was the first introduction of Baby as like, the biggest evil ever, and she was built by Henry. Scott intended for the game to further the story when it was released, and has since reincorporated these ideas about Baby into the books, and she was definitely the ringleader in Sister Location. -As far as the Immortal and Restless with the baby also being a vampire- Elizabeth repeatedly is shown to be the child following in Afton's shoes, wanting to support him and continue his work. That could be what being a 'vampire' is in this context? And also re: Mike possibly being a robot- no one's ever really explained why Michael survived being scooped, not even Mike, who says 'I should be dead, but I'm not.' Not for nothing, but if Mike was a robot, too, just a more advanced one, that could explain it.

[@johnjordan211]

We did explain it lmao. The remnant within ennard healed him

[@johnjordan211]

Being a robot doesn't explain he would still have died like Charlie and baby at the end. Being a robot doesn't give you that survivability automatically.

[@badger119]

For a while now, I've been wondering if Golden Bonnie was actually Henry's original creation and NOT William's. After all, we know Henry created the Theodore rabbit doll for Charlie so it would make sense if he then went on to craft the Golden Bonnie suit/character. That would help explain some of the questions surrounding Glitch Trap. And what better revenge than for William to take HENRY'S beloved character and murder children, the first being Henry's own daughter, with it? This could also help explain why there are NOT rabbit character's in Sister Location.

[@arkisenn9895]

After watching the final timeline and now watching that scene where you remove the "good" from Baby, all I can think about is, "That chip is flashing green...just how far back did Scott make the choice that green is good?"

[@nyx-nat]

it is so wholesome for matpat reacting to john and genuinely being proud of him and supporting his theories !! my fav fnaf bois

[@MrCanKnotNot]

Can I get some feedback on my theory I posted it in the comments of this video I feel like there is something to be said

[@P1ggles_]

Im always so happy to see matpat making a fnaf video, I’ll never be too old to watch.

[@jpxfrd154]

Pray to whatever religion you are, unless you're an atheist like me, that the next video is about fnaf.

[@mortal3806]

imagine being in your death bed in the hospital, watching matpat who is still alive due to studying the FNAF lore so much that he found a way to build and possess an animatronic

[@jimmyjon9970]

​@@mortal3806I would absolutely take it

[@Lizzy_Gacha_Gaming]

​@@mortal3806boys were becoming FNAF tonight lol

[@elijahsmall5873]

⁠​⁠@@jpxfrd154Why? They make other content besides Fnaf.

[@Lyddy-Draws]

I love mat being proud of John getting better at scripting

[@pandapear13]

FNAF lore is like a puzzle Maker giving you all the pieces you need for the puzzle in separate boxes while also giving you pieces you don’t need in each box, but some of them fit where the real ones go. 😂

[@ScarletMarie0007]

john seems to work in abstracts or parallels and Matpat is being very literal in definition on things. Both can be right and I appreciate it both. I like this and can get on both theories and challenges to the theory. I love this

[@MMX17]

There's something that's always bothered me regarding "Baby". Regardless of who or what is controlling this robot there was always this sense of duality even in sister location. It reminds me of golden freddy and its lore, what if "baby" was meant to be another "golden freddy"-like robot?

[@ajcon3874]

My issue with this is in FNaF6 where it is made very, *very* clear that *specifically* Elizabeth is Baby, according to Henry himself, and that Charlie is the one who gave gifts, gave life. [Source: FNaF6 Completion Ending]

[@kingofsaltt3836]

@@ajcon3874i really think fuhnaff hit a great point pointing out the chip baby has you take out of her i believe that was the mimic of charlie and that after removing that elizabeths soul was the only one left to control baby. It seems like baby being a charlie bot had the mimic data of charlie even if we didnt know thats what it was called at the time and that chip is what allows the puppet to still be a part of the pizzaplex idk about it also being the vr data or glitchtrap but still a great point especially the part talking about how baby changes how she refers to elizibeth switching from third to first person after the chip is removed they were both there wnd then we removed charlie

[@kingofsaltt3836]

@@ajcon3874Charlies soul is the puppet and Charlies mimic data is what we remove from baby in sister location so by fnaf6 it is only elizibeth in baby which is why baby switches from referring to Elizabeth in the third person to first person i also dont think the pizzaplex puppet is evil i think it was trying to stop gregory because gregory was helping afton at one point at least and charlie has always been anti afton

[@ryninja5788]

Tbh, the point about burntrap having teeth could also simply be explained by saying that the program saw William as a dead body in a suit, so in order to faithfully mimic him it had someone killed and stuffed in the suit. We just kinda assumed it was william’s body but it could just as likely be any random worker the program had killed to work it’s craft. Wouldn’t be the first time Freddy’s covered up a murder.

[@chanabanannaanimations6884]

Another episode of Mat rethinking everything and going insane gotta love it

[@notjustlaura6708]

I really liked his theory, and I noticed John's way of presenting the info got better too so I was really looking forward to Mat's reaction ❤️ As a casual fan it gets hard to keep up with all of it, trying to make sense of Charlie = Baby = Elizabeth = Mimic makes my head explode lmao but I'm still watching bc it's so interesting

[@aa-ew8fj]

Old video but a semi new idea, what if William tried to rebuild one of his children as a robot after their death? This way Mr. Vampire is a parallel to Mrs. Afton and not to William, she sees something that looks, acts and talks like her child but she knows is not. We still don’t have a reason for their divorce, so William building a robot to live in place of his child might be a reason. (Also if he built a robot to replace CC might explain Gregory being a robot, because - he was built in the 80s, then abandoned for many years and then repowered some time before SB, maybe as a body for glitchtrap, but the AI started realizing itself and that messed up glitchtraps plan)

[@Andrew-ww1hz]

The whole concept of “anyone can be a robot in this series” is reminiscent of how anyone can be a Skrull in Secret Invasion

[@JordanDuffy49]

😂 mattpatt is the nick fury holding out against the hidden robots

[@FrostbyteOfficial]

Where’s Samuel L Jackson when you need him?

[@contractsagency1123]

Anyone? At this point i am to believe every single human made of skin and bones are robots

[@JordanDuffy49]

@@contractsagency1123 that's kinda the point, I haven't watched a single episode as marvels just not for me ATM but the whole idea is that as a viewer, you cannot trust anything you see. Your supposed to see it from Nick Fury's perspective that you cannot trust a single person because you cannot know who is a Skrull. This links to your point because as a gamer, it's impossible to see their bones so who knows if they are robot or not?

[@camillechandler4431]

Plot twist: FNAF is set in a universe comprised of only humanoid robots.

[@WitchDoctorWaka]

Time for another episode of Matt talks for 10+ minutes straight about points that'd be touched on if he watched for literally 30 more seconds.

[@Ucps_]

😭😭😭

[@sweetbnuy]

Well he is reacting, not just watching.

[@WitchDoctorWaka]

@sweetbnuy oh I get that. Problem is they just always happen to pause and talk right before his 10 minutes of talking would of been answered or disputed in the next 20 seconds of video.

[@jc_art_]

​@TheDoc_Kyeah but i think he could do more like dawko and watch the whole video without pausing and reacting live, and then going back and talking about it with pausing, so he doesnt just waste time by saying something that will be refuted or pointed out 5 seconds later.

[@WitchDoctorWaka]

@TheDoc_K Yeah I enjoy it too...but when you've seen the video he's reacting to and you know that his 10+ minute talk is completely pointless because, 10 seconds later, the video would just disrupt everything said. I'm not asking for him to never talk. That'd be dumb. I'm asking for him to, when he's about to start talking, just watch a tiny bit further then talk.

[@samisasmidgenpsycho]

It just occurred to me that John could actually be 100% right about a William-Charlie hybrid. How much purple-green teasing has there been? The Steel Wool logos, the glitchy bunny in the Ruin trailer... Maybe we'll see the two fighting for dominance over a single rabbit vessel, and that's what's happening in that scene: Charlie and William glitching out to the max trying to take over a body.

[@Hex.A.Decimal]

In all fairness we have seen something like this before. In the FNaF 3 minigames Glitchbonnie is obviously not evil and is needed for Happiest Day.

[@sourcream990]

I love when Mat does these reaction videos but sometimes I wish he would just watch the video over quietly and THEN comment on things but lmao either way I love it

[@kuriouswhims]

I have said since the beginning: Baby(Elizabeth) and Charlie are bigger parts of this than we think they are. Baby was hinted at very heavily in the street fighter game and Nightmarionne is in the actual game. That plus the VR sisters and Elizabeth and Charlie being analogues of each other… it almost feels like those two are running the show, taking up the mantles of their fathers.

[@evancushard1724]

I thinks it's cool that Mat has kinda become the proud dad of the FNaF theory community

[@teganr5665]

48:53 I had to push back a bit here in John's defense. He did set up the connections between the Mimic and the Charlie program earlier in the video. I think that Matt may have lost the plot a little due to 1. all the pausing and commenting he does and 2. John's info delivery is often very dense and could benefit from a bit more structure in the scripting. This isn't a dig at either theorist, I'm just saying he's conflating things that he did provide some evidentiary setup for earlier in the video. I also agree with Matt that the word "virus" probably was not the best word for John to attach to the Charlie/Mimic program. I still get what he means, but the phrasing is inaccurate and I can see how it would cause some confusion.

[@rickisnothome]

exactly i was sitting there thinking it was making perfect sense to me, sure the words were a lil funky but its not thaaaat bad but i think matpats reason is he has his own ideas and thoughts (reasonably so) and these are conflicting with his own conclusions hes drawn so its a bit harder for him to jump through the hoops to get there than the most avid of fnaf fans

[@m1s73rh5]

I love that while usually from different routes, John and the Theorist team continue to come to very similar conclusions, right around the same time.

[@edemaiscomtheovieira2718]

I think the wall code in SB is a message from Charlie to Gregory. She built the breath by giving life to the animatronics and when she managed to get control of Gregory, (Like in your latest FNAF theory) she wrote the message to tell him what to do to stop the mimic virus, aka evil charlie, aka the charliebot, aka baby, aka glichtrap. Edit: (58:25) The encyclopedia says that "This mascot(Glichtrap) has never existed in the real world" or something along those lines.

[@Eclipse_VoidFox]

1:15:43 I feel the reason for the fleshy look to burntrap may be going back on the mimic's thing of having a costume to match the data it has. So basically, it is making itself look like afton as best it can using how it knew he looked in the help wanted version of fnaf 3

[@IkerUnzu]

I WAS WAITING FOR YOU TO REACT TO THIS ONE !! yayyy

[@turbopatchy]

GTLive fnaf content always gets me excited.

[@jpxfrd154]

Let's hope that the next will be about fnaf.

[@Aaaaaaaaaaaaaaapj]

​@@jpxfrd154?

[@jpxfrd154]

​@@Aaaaaaaaaaaaaaapjon game theory.

[@PlinkyTheGrand]

Same

[@jpxfrd154]

@@PlinkyTheGrand you agree with me?

[@taylordehaven7687]

A quick possibility; If Burntrap is actually supposed to be an endoskeleton wearing the old burnt Afton suit, it wouldn't be beyond the pale to think that the suit has physically fused to William's charred flesh in the process of being burned. It would make sense to me that what we're seeing isn't the suit being maybe an endoskeleton, maybe just Afton resurrected, but rather it's absolutely an endoskeleton whose external mask includes Afton's lifeless skull and melted desiccated skin

[@Hex.A.Decimal]

I can see that. I think you may be giving Steel Wool too much credit, but it makes sense.

[@jpreyes6640]

I love when people who aren't really familiar with the lore pitch ideas (the mike being a robot thing) cause it could sound completely ridiculous, but it's also a new perspective that isn't completely crazy seeing how it's a world where a company with multiple closed down businesses due to kidnappings and arson, hasn't gone broke

[@divine-s]

Honestly love how MatPat is reacting to other theorist videos and puts some remarks and opinions about them! Idk why but I find it cool how theorists just work together and then make one big theory at some point. Amazing job Mat and John!

[@Banhat414]

1:12:50 Surprised that I haven't seen anyone mention anything about the 3 children in that picture as well, how they match up nicely with Elizabeth, , and Michael when ignoring their hair color

[@ajcon3874]

Interesting detail! I think the different hair shows that they aren’t bringing back the kids in the same form, but *they* are still here either through weird AIs or spirits or whatever… Post SB lore is tough!

[@mister_r447]

The fact that Nightmarionne refers to itself as a "fearfull reflection" of the puppet in UCN really makes me think this theory is correct.

[@Hex.A.Decimal]

OOF. Didn't think of that, but I can't come up with a better interpretation of 'mimic' so good thinking my dude.

[@glitchking2801]

22:42 the thing is when you’re writing a story and releasing it as a book you should know the twists and main plot of your story before you start writing it so it still works

[@laurendearnley9595]

It's like the "Lost" method of writing. Put in whatever seems cool that episode and then figure out how to make it make sense later (or ignore it).

[@bunnyben5607]

Makes sense if you parallel nightmarionne and the marionette. The nightmarionne is sort of a twisted, corrupted version of the marionette, but they clearly aren't the same. Just like how the chip is a twisted version of charlie, but they aren't the same, charlie's spirit resided in the puppet, whereas the nightmarionne is less often seen and represents the rogue AI.

[@m---n-f-o-x160]

Can we talk about the clown posters in fnaf 6? It isn't only supposed to represent elizabeth maybe it could be confirming that sister location happened earlier in the timeline? But we need theories about: Old man consequences Lolbits purpose Identity of candy cadet ( could be Mrs afton or a kid William killed that tries to tell the truth about fazbear entertainment) and how they know so much And the fnaf 6 clown

[@Bigswordenergy-b7u]

I do think some of what John says in this video is right. From the clues we have about baby. How she talks in third person but also switches up. And how she's one of the only animatronics that talks in two different voices. And how she has a part of herself removed in the form of a green chip. It feels like she has to have multiple entities inside of her. And the one that makes the most sense is Charlie. That chip has to end up somewhere. And the best explanation is when we hear about scanning things into the game. Where a green virus entity appears. It's not the cleanest and it messes with stuff you thought was obvious. But it feels like it needs to be explained by now and this is the best answer available. Maybe there are some clues to justify the answer more. But I don't think there's a better answer

[@jarzz3601]

one argument against the green chip being relevant I'd like to bring up is that PCBs are normally green you can make them other colours but most of the time a bog standard chip is just gonna be green

[@thejadegamer]

For some reason, I've always remembered Baby as being a stolen Charlie-bot. Then, I started thinking about the circuit boards that were scanned to create Glitch-Trap coming from Baby. Since Spring-trapped William wouldn't have many circuit boards. The stolen Charlie-bot could then be the Mimic analog, with Elizabeth giving it the desire to please Billyboy - she was the willing follower. Those she infects later are the reluctant ones.

[@chargerhusky85]

You are technically correct: If you’ve read the Fourth Closet you’ll know that (according to the books) Baby is meant to be the final version of Charlie built by Henry.

[@MrCanKnotNot]

Can I get some feedback on my theory I posted it in the comments of this video I feel like there is something to be said

[@MrCanKnotNot]

And maybe it is interesting though I feel like the follower might be mike while the reluctant ones are the animatronics or rather henry Emily or charlie and the crying child and in my theory I think that both Emily and Charlie are still "alive" in the AI and Gregory is the crying child as we see through the actions of the mimic vs the glitch trap and the crying child is following Henry's commands

[@grenouillesupreme]

​@@chargerhusky85yeah but the baby from the books looks VERY different from baby from the games, she looks a lot more humanoid because she was meant to be an android, baby from the games wasn't meant to be an android

[@chargerhusky85]

@@grenouillesupreme True.

[@TigerStyleFanMIZ]

I really enjoy videos like this about FNAF. I wouldn't call myself a casual FNAF fan, but I don't have all the details memorized. I also don't try to make sense of it all. When I watch theory videos (not just MatPat) about it, I'm just like "woah, that's wild!"

[@georged-vy7mn]

Based opinion lmao

[@stitchedworks]

1:08:30 I had a small idea that just occurred to me, what if the way that the Mimic learned how to act and talk like Gregory (as well as the way it has some of Gregory's lines that we hear throughout the game) is by watching him through the same cameras that we use in Security Breach? If the program is running the plex, then wouldn't the Mimic (a part of that program) be seeing everything that way too? And maybe that's why when in the theater while playing Ruin, what we see through the AR mask is Gregory running from Vanny, something that the Mimic saw and used to learn, as well as is using to help lure Cassie even further into this illusion that Gregory is in trouble (although this second part doesn't make as much sense due to the fact that the Mimic's trick is that Gregory is supposed to be *stuck* under the raceway)

[@alexandercarter9598]

I'd contend that early Mimic stories seem to have strong Charlie/puppet vibes, while later appearences have stronger parralels to Glitchtrap, Afton, and even the Blob. If you want to argue parralels, the Tiger has two different colored eyes. As we've seen with Golden Freddy, this usually indicates two people in one body. I'd suggest the the Charlie Virus is Mimic 1, and Fazbear Entertainment created a version corrupted with Afton called the Glitchtrap Virus.

[@alexandercarter9598]

Hah... Mat came to the same conclusion. I should,ve waoted to comment.

[@sailorsnow5815]

A lot of super cool ideas discussed this episode I definitely think MatPat should also cover the roughly 9 minute follow up John made explaining more of his thoughts on the theory (“My final FNAF security breach theory”) !

[@innertuber4049]

Maybe, though all that was just supporting evidence to calm the haters. MatPat seems to accept this theory as a valid one, so I think it might be best just to see what the DLC brings and go from there.

[@analyticHeart]

For whoever on the GTlive team might read this, I would love to see an episode where Matpat reacts to ID's fantasy's video "Everything you need to know before ruin." While it's not entirely a theory, it brings up a lot of good theory points on the mimic and burntrap/glitchtrap, and how people assuming burntrap/glitchtrap to be the mimic is overlooking a lot of evidence.

[@nathanielreik6617]

Yes. I just watched that video a few days ago and I thought at the time and then again now watching this video that I would love to hear Matpat's thoughts on that video.

[@baasparkopenings851]

I like a lot of parts of this theory, but I'm with you on the struggle with "Charlie is possessing Baby and Elizabeth is too." Because no, Charlie can't be possessing Baby unless she's in two places at once - she's possessing the puppet. I'm totally convinced that Baby was a charliebot who became possessed by Elizabeth, and making said charliebot the mimic could totally work. I'm also convinced obviously by extension that Henry made Baby first, and then she was modified by William - because like, the style of the funtimes mimics the fnaf 2 animatronics, which a lot of the community still believes were genuine security bots (and they match the style of the puppet) so its likely that Afton appropriated that rosy-cheeked style from them (pigpatch also has those cheeks, despite being a part of the mediocre melodies - although interestingly, he and mr hippo are the only ones of that group not possessed by the vengeful spirit, and of course he and ned bear are the only ones described alongside chica in the books... but in any case, the rockstars also have round cheeks). Regardless, I don't consider it debatable that Henry made the basis of Baby, just without the killing obviously. That's what the books said, that's what FNAF world said if you believe desk guy is Henry ("desk guy is scott!" no it isnt! if it is scott, then it's in-universe scott, which is a whole separate can of worms that I would love people to theorize about but I hate how everyone is like "no its just scott also he said he hates fnaf world so its not canon" thats not true!!), that's what's implied by Baby being Brunette, etc. But, there's no possible reason for Baby to be possessed by the real Charlie, which I felt like John did a lot of conflating in this theory which really confused me. I like the chip thing, it's a cool idea, whether that's the original AI or what (I'm assuming Elizabeth is what's left behind in scrap baby) - but if that's the case, it wouldn't manifest as puppet imagery without some outside force teaching it about the puppet. It's not possessed by the real Charlie / Puppet, there's no connection there. Obviously no hate to John for that, he pointed out a lot of great things, just wanted to give my two cents about the one flaw with his reasoning.

[@ajcon3874]

Ending of FNaF6 also confirms this. The *spirit* of Charlie is purely shown with puppet imagery. Baby is literally called Elizabeth. It just makes sense that, at least the spirits, are where we think they are.

[@innertuber4049]

I don't think John meant to imply that this is Charlie's spirit. However, I do agree that I'd like to know where, in this theory, the puppet imagery comes in.

[@donovan6320]

Charlie is not possessing baby, not in the traditional sense mimic 1 was originally an AI recreation of Charlie It was meant to be baby's AI so that he could recreate his daughter.

[@lolcat909]

The stitches on Glitchtrap doesn't necessarily mean it's a handsewn costume, it could also represent a Plushy. Or that William is a genus adult who makes Suits that can turn into an animatronic, so this more simple looking thing could be made by someone more child-like. Lets also note that the Funtime animatronics that look more futuristic could very likely be older than FNaF 1 animatronics, so simplicity doesn't equal old. Matpat's too much into the theory that Glitchtrap is the first mascot suit that he's ignoring other possibilities.

[@Yes-cr4ci]

28:10 what is charlie in the books, when she kept saying that she had a twin brother that was kidnapped, maybe that was true and her brother might have been the biological kid of henry, the kid that was killed by william, what if he was named charlie and that's why they're saying "save him", and the girl charlie, was just a robot to keep company for the kid, then henry named the robot charlie like his son, then the robot got kidnapped by william. Idk if that makes sense

[@Moodyhuman07]

It makes sense 😮

[@TheFlinchyDinosaur]

The first book doesn't directly mention Afton stealing Charlie, however it does drop the first hints of Charlie being a robot at the very end. Because of this I'd say its not unreasonable to assume that Scott had the idea in his head when he wrote the first Silver Eyes book

[@nahcobii]

LITERALLY. BC SHE CAME BACK AS AN ADULT AFTER SHE JUST DIED. HER THIRD ROBOT LMAO.

[@parasitone0814]

Matpat reacting and speaking about John's theory makes me think of like matpat making a test/exam into fnaf lore, and he's like grading John

[@imtatianapellegrini]

lol

[@angelharmony1595]

Could I re-bring up how baby was first introduced in FNAF World? I feel like there might be more behind that than we think. Did we ever truly establish who Desk Guy was? Everyone always assumed it was Henry, but Baby kills Desk Guy. If Desk Guy truly was Henry, how does he come back in FNAF 6 to burn the place down and release the souls if we "saw him die"? Unless...he didn't?

[@ajcon3874]

FNAF World isn’t canonical. I think it could represent how Henry’s work was being undone by Glitchtrap, and with this theory, Baby, as it is a DIGITAL GLITCHWORLD FILLED WITH FNAF CHARACTERS and what’s supposed to be the main antagonist IS THE PURPLEGUIEST (spirit PG) AND BABY. Don’t overthink what actually happens.

[@bubbamoon6464]

47:22 Remember, ennerd is behind baby in this scene. And If Ennard Is Baby (Without The Shell) Then Theres No Doubt That The Little USB Thing Didn't Contain Anything. It Was A Trick, To Get You To Trust Her, And To Get You To The Scooping Room.

[@speedbreaker3270]

I like that MatPat gives his feedback as he watches but the sheer amount of times I wanted to shout "Just watch the video!" Because he's bringing up something that John is about to mention but he paused the video is so astounding lmao

[@spheresong]

I would point out, re: removing the Charlie software, that it is software. When you put your files on a flash drive you don't automatically delete the original. The Charlie software is still running on the robot to be eventually integrated into enard. Incidentally, it also answers matt's concerns that it comes out of a random surface port and not the robots core.

[@matthewmusco2581]

50:50 Matt’s pause here made me feel so good for John. I watched johns theory a while ago so I knew that he was gonna have the pretty good evidence about the Charlie virus in baby thing, so when Matt paused the video asking for proof I was dying for him to just press play

[@rev-law20c]

I couldn't help but laugh every time Matt pauses when he hears John make a damning evidence point. 😆

[@NathanM2024]

12:50 I should have known from this. Lol. Matt had indeed already met and asked his questions to Scott. 😂

[@peachyjjarred]

I am going down the FNAF lore again. It’s honestly weirdly such a comfort place to be an think an theory about. I love how you theologically describing all the FNAF lore

[@katmustang7666]

John is AMAZING at his theories. Love watching them.

[@CamKoudo]

I love it when MatPat reacts to Fuhnaff's videos!!

[@tinaherr3856]

12:20 If I recall, the show makes it clear that the baby *is actually* the vampire's son. So I don't think that the 'he isn't my kid" line has deeper significance in terms of the Afton family. Plus, the show is inspired by those drama TV shows. Plots like "who is the father?" certainly would fit in that format 22:59 to clear up the confusion of MatPat, I'll explain. The reveal was that William took and killed the original human Charlie. Business as usual, Afton often takes kids and kills them, so nothing new there. Then Henry made a robot Charlie, and recreated some of OG Charlie's earlier memories using video cameras. He recreated scenes like the Diner and (what he believed) happened to the original Charlie at Afton's hands. But it wasn't a pure recreation, and Henry didn't put the part where it was *Charlie* that was taken, but instead had it be Sammy. [Plus, the reveal was in the Fourth Closet, not the Twisted Ones] 21:50 but the circumstances in the novels were very much different than the John's theory. Novel William took and killed the original human Charlie, then afterwards Henry made the robot Charlie. William never took the robot Charlie. It's the exact opposite situation than John's theory. If the example you are pulling from is the opposite of what your theory has, then the foundation starts to fall apart. 48:00 that isn't quite the case. Elizabeth is possessing one of the several Charlie robot bodies that Henry made. Originally an extra older Charlie body, it was turned into Circus Baby. Then Elizabeth died and possessed Baby. So Charlie and Elizabeth aren't in the same body, Elizabeth is just in a spare while protagonist Charlie has her own body

[@darak229]

Pretty sure Afton doesn't kidnap Charlie in the Silver Eyes books, he just kills her. Her soul then possesses the doll, which is why she has memories of watching her dad build robots in his garage (in reality it was her 'looking' through the doll on the floor as a soul, while he was in the middle of building her robot body/bodies). Elizabeth is Afton's child, which goes on to possess the fourth adult robot body that Afton stole, originally meant for Charlie, while Charlie's soul doll is still in the third almost adult body.

[@deltad994]

1:15:16 I think that the body is a mixture of Spring Trap suit and the Bonnie animatronic, because its obvious that the arms and legs belong to an animatronic but the head and other parts could have been salvaged from the burnt spring trap suit to make it easier to integrate Afton's consciousness into the body.