Is Bjj Better Than Judo???

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[@felipemartinez1275]

BJJ = Basically Just Judo... That was great!

[@Mulberry2000]

Yep

[@rns7426]

5 years training put in. BJJ-killer on the ground, incompetent standing up. Judo-killer standing up, competent on the ground.

[@DOOR.DASH.TYRONE]

Once things reopen where I live I will be looking for a different martial art gym and im considering doing Judo instead of BJJ for a couple reasons. 1. Judokas tend to be better athletes they understand that strength and aggression is important where as BJJ will attract alot of weak hipsters who will get mad if you hit the gym and use some strength. To me being mad at a fighter for being strong is ridiculous as long as there not just relying on strength. 2. Ive always found when we did a little bit of Judo in BJJ class that was the most fun part of training 3. For self defense I would rather be able to throw someone than pull guard and go for a triangle. I think alot of BJJ guys have an unrealistic expectation of what would happen in a street fight. Sliding around on our back on a matt is obviously different than a street fight and most of them never practise takedowns in randori. 4. I did security with a bouncer who had a black belt in Judo and a purple belt in BJJ. A drunk guy swung on him one night and I witnessed him dodge the punch than immediately grab the mans jacket and throw him. The look on the drunks guys face was like he instantly did not want to fight anymore. I started picking his brain about it because I was interested in getting involved with martial arts and he told me you're not going to use that much BJJ in a street fight

[@me9497]

As a pure BJJ guy... I agree with this 100%. Great insights. The lack of speed and aggression in BJJ would be a detriment in a real life situation.

[@DOOR.DASH.TYRONE]

@@kiloparowek171 Thats how I have always viewed it. It makes a good complimentary art to Judo, Wrestling, Boxing, etc but as a stand alone its incomplete and there are things in the BJJ community that should be changed.

[@KT_-tj3nq]

Well even know BJJ lacks alot of speed and aggression bjj will still win in street agianst a street fighter because of the more (skill knowledge they have) but they might walk away with alot of hits landed on them or hurt

[@tomsheppard378]

I cross train judo BJJ and boxing. Also dont mention I also do Aikido to aid recovery as includes breathing and stretching. I like combination of grappling throws and strikes. I dont see in terms of self defence as cant imagine I would ever get into a street fight, I'm 35 and never been in a fight I always de-escalate use jokes. I have a high level of fitness and can run pretty fast

[@fredred5037]

The type of person who is successful in Bjj and the type of person toward’s whom Bjj is marketed towards are very different. Successful competitors and high level belts are the same people who would do well in other martial arts because they’ve obsessed over proficiency and gaining every advantage possible ( improving strength & conditioning), versus the many hobbyists who are fooled into thinking they have a “superpower” via just technique. Those same people would’ve trained in taekwando or aikido 20 years ago before BJJ was mainstream.

[@redpilljujitsu9068]

Judo for tachi waza and bjj for newaza, its that simple. The rules dictate the focus of the art. The sad part is that both arts are rarely focusing on self defense today.

[@ramondiaz2851]

I so glad that you have experience in judo & bjj for so many years !!OG and of course TKD and God knows what else you know!! This is the reason why I watch your channel!! I just wish one day a bjj instructor can help you get your purple belt so the smoke is clear and when the covid is over you can pursue your blackbelt in judo etc .. but you know it is only the beginning!! Keep up the WORK !!!

[@jackfl3]

Good video mr. 💪

[@ebooksguyguy7149]

I trained at one of Canada's 10th planet gyms in Peterborough Ontario. They literally never covered basics, they always focused on fancy techniques. This is a problem with a lot of Brazilian jiu-jitsu schools I think. I feel if I didn't already have a background in submission wrestling, I would not have picked up anything while training there. It's a shame that wrestling isn't more popular in Canada, as I feel that would be the perfect martial art for me with its focus on takedowns, strength training, and very straightforward techniques.

[@Docinaplane]

I watched some grappling on Teach Me Grappling between a wrestler and BJJ guy. The wrestler was so smooth and fast with his takedowns and control. I wrestled a little in college and since then have learned submissions. I also feel comfortable grappling off my back. Seems like a reasonable way to go. I don't care about rank, just learning skills.

[@Noor-hd5nf]

This guy looks 28 lol. I want those skin genetics too man.

[@James-io7jl]

Like your channel man! I like how your started BJJ and judo later in life. Little on me, I’m 27 starting them both full time. Training 4 hours of judo a week and 6 hours of BJJ a week. . Felt late to the game my self so I’m trying to catch up. I’m a life long martial artist as well. Black belt in taekwondo, years of boxing and Muay Thai. And a blue belt in Krav Maga. I did like 6 months of prior BJJ and a few months of judo a couple years back. Been a cop for a couple years and realized how important grappling arts are. No interest in competition beyond low level locals, however; in the future id like to open a self defense gym.

[@me9497]

That’s a power combo for a cop man! Good on ya.

[@watamutha]

Everyone's got their own adventure. I'm starting grappling at the age of 40...life just gets in the way...wife, kids, sickness, depression etc.

[@felipemartinez1275]

"Why don't you accept that 'bjj' is superior to Judo?"... Beacuse it's not!!! That was the best and simple answer to a stupidity.

[@cosmeticscameo8277]

gracies had a amazing PR and advertising for BJJ hence why it's so popular and beloved. oh believe me if kimura had that kind of PR and advertising machine... judo would still be on the fore front of grappling and bjj would be a historical footnote at best or if UFC 1 had competent judo people from gene lebell school. royce would be wrecked.

[@jasonmeas3816]

How can you win against an art that hits you with the earth?

[@Jenjak]

BJJ and Judo are just two sides of the same coin, I think if you want to be complete, you should get a black belt in both. And to some extent I'd even say all martial arts are connected, each one of them developp a certain skillset and some of them overlap. If I had the time in my life, I'd train litteraly in everything. ^^

[@ebooksguyguy7149]

I'm thinking of trying Judo, there's a club nearby where I live that's not too expensive. I'm used to wrestling with the left lead leg from when I did kickboxing, what are the advantages and disadvantages of doing Judo with the left lead leg?

[@momoswandelndesschloss4047]

Fighting for a superior grip before throwing is extremly important. you should have your strong hand at your opponents bodycenter and your weak hand at his arm to controll him. Therefor you need to have the same sided foot in front. BUT if you are a lefty or just used to fight like that, it can be a huge advantage! Everyone hates it to fight against good lefties its pretty nerving and most are just not used to it. Like in boxing. I always had very weak joints and was never able to bring my right handed grip through. So i just switched, wasnt easy at first (doing the throws the mirrored way needs practice) but it helped me a lot! You wont have big problems doing it left sided, just talk with the coach about it. What i like most about it: your opponents hip is easier to reach. But same for your hip! You give him/her the initiative to attack first because of you weaker grip. You need a good counter game and good footwork

[@retroghidora6767]

I think alot of these arguments are pointless now that the actual history of bjj is getting out there. As Pedro Valente said, judo/bjj/etc are all different expressions of the source in koryu Jujutsu. In general I think Bjj and Judo both don't look as different to what the Japanese were doing even in the 1800s as some ppl would have you believe.

[@warrenchow8482]

I completely agree on your objective analysis by breaking up the two into their sport, martial art, and street components. It's not one-size-fits-all so you do have to look at it from the various aspects and then come to some overall "rating". In the sports arena the scoring systems are totally different. What would earn you the win in a Judo competition doesn't mean much in a BJJ match, and if a BJJ guy took longer than 10 sec in a Judo match to try and submit his opponent, the ref would call "mate" and put them back up in standing. He would probably also lose very, very quickly according to Judo rules. In my opinion, Judo is more fun to learn and certainly more exciting to watch. But if BJJ puts you in your happy place then more power to you. Just don't try to spout some bravado nonsense that it's better than Judo.

[@williambreen4290]

I don't know man at this point I know that I'm just written off and my opinion doesn't really count for crap LOL however my particular interest in the martial arts especially the grappling martial arts is that I believe Judo is superior to BJJ and every way possible! I think that Judo is simply awesome and offers way many more benefits than BJJ! Balance, core stability and strength throughout the whole body as well as sensing an opponent's energy while standing and break falling techniques to save your life! And yes ground grappling as well as throwing! Not this pulling guard nonsense that could get the back of your skull smashed or simply just put you in a bad position! There is a saying if you know Judo you know jiu jitsu not the other way around!

[@johnrambo4259]

Exactly look at Travis t Stevens he is life long judoka he got his black belt in bjj in record time about 18 months. He did it fast because he already knew newaza judo. By the way og judo also had wrestling techniques. Good comment man

[@joemccallum1536]

Jesse Enkamp addressed the whole "90% of fights end up on the ground." The Gracies pulled that from police statistics, individuals whose entire job is to take it to the ground and restrain and cuff criminals. Doesn't necessarily reflect the realities of your average bar fight

[@OGFITNESS]

I fell on that recently, someone brought it up in the comments, looked into it and yup, weve benn duked! 😂🤷‍♂️

[@gingercore69]

Maybe he means a TRAIN person... Cn you imagine trying to throw domeone who is half train?

[@socalbeachieboy6135]

There are vids of Judo fighters owning BJJ fighters and vice versa.

[@TheKillaMethod]

In my bjj class I specifically asked to be shown Jodo moves in the stand up rolling. You start off on your feet so it's good to add Judo to your Bjj. Imo.

[@confessedrock7358]

I did notice you were wrong on that everything that is in BJJ was in Judo, I don't think you respect the power of pulling guard and buttscooting, only the greatest martial minds can think those up. But seriously I do agree with everything you said, it all comes down to the person training, styles of martial art don't matter much ((if it is a real sparring martial art)and of course there is grappling vs striking mismatches) if a person trains themselves to a very high level.

[@roninnotasheeplikeyou.2631]

Knowing how to effectively throw someone on the street that's attacking you is important to know as the average person on the street knows little or next to nothing about break falls.

[@DarkLight-dd4nc]

I’m a judo black belt (and also a MMA player ) and I can say than in more street fight situation judo is more useful than bjj cause in the street it’s also better to avoid the ground ,and you can ko a guy with a good judo throw . (I admit training in bjj is also useful for progress in ne waza )

[@OGFITNESS]

agree with you there brother, rule # in the streets, keep it standing, osu!

[@johnrambo4259]

Dude your 41? you look 21. Good video man

[@Jake-pm3pz]

I recommend people train both if you can afford it, I definetly do think Judo is better for a real street fight but BJJ is also one of the most effective martial arts too especially if you want improve your newaza(ground fighting), submissions and stamina...

[@mak19801980]

I'm not going to comment on Bjj, as I've never done it. I have done ne waza (ground work) with Bjj guys, and they were very good (obviously) but very slow. What I mean is in a judo competition their ne waza skills wouldn't be very useful as the clock would stop and they would be asked to get up. As for tachi waza (throws) they were absolutely rubbish. I mean not even white belt level. I guess it's comparing apples and oranges as the rules are so different.

[@gengotaku]

I have practiced over and over with BJJ guys in my judo club but their tachiwaza isn’t even 10% of their newaza whereas in judo we are good at tachiwaza and have different levels of newaza depending on the focus given in our dojos. Where I’m practicing right now we do half newaza and half tachiwaza and there are some really good dudes.

[@ramondiaz2851]

You are not a stupid guy !!OG!!

[@hasanc1526]

Don't forget that Bob Schirmer defeated Carlson Gracie jr using judo

[@gianntomasini1579]

You had me dieing when you said the part of judo newaza is basic compared to bjj your eyes😆

[@haraldodunkirk1432]

They’re…. Quite different …. But go together well!

[@williambreen4290]

Judo equals control of your opponent and sense of Leverage and balance as well as kazushi to off balance! And then there is ukemi and the Art of break falling! And then there is newaza and submission work and yes indeed throwing! Judo is the total package for grappling and BJ is just a particular Viewpoint that is over marketed over credited!

[@kuntepercanavar2383]

Even for a bjj player the goal should be take the guy down and be good enough at top control game to not let guy take the position or submit you from bottom gravity is on your side so being on top is superior for me so yeah you need judo or wrestling or some shit like that.

[@Ericelrojo32]

I believe that Judo is theoretically better than BJJ in self-defense, especially for having a more explosive approach. However there are two things that counter this argument, first is that BJJ has some non gi variants, while judo always uses gi and this is a problem because in real life unless the person is wearing a jacket it is not possible to apply the techniques that use gi. And the second is that the rules of judo impose greater limitations on certain techniques that are allowed in BJJ that can be useful in self-defense.

[@LibertarianGalt]

No-Gi Judo throws are possible and plenty of examples on KZbin from high level Judoka and Judo is excellent to pair with boxing and bjj for self defence.

[@doritodip8410]

Plus when Royce gracie was winning there were no grapplers other than Ken shamrock when he fought a judoka he got choked out

[@cosmeticscameo8277]

it was stupid that they didn't allow ken shamrock shoes in ufc 1 like bruh. wrestlers wrestle with shoes...

[@doritodip8410]

@@cosmeticscameo8277 ye i know but royce was allowed a gi

[@gerardhart9052]

BJJ for sure markets better especially with those who don't know anything. In a street situation I would prefer to go for a throw and spend as little time on the ground as possible, that's judo.

[@Ericelrojo32]

I believe that judo should be more modernized and offer a wider range of possibilities, apart from the Olympic variety. Because in BJJ nowadays there are many more types of competitions and rules, which make the fights more varied.

[@digitalnomaddev7577]

Check out Kosen Judo!

[@digitalnomaddev7577]

Also, Freestyle Judo!

[@mikeyork3093]

There is a video on KZbin with Rhonda Rousey Judo throwing a BJJ guy for fun and even submitting him. Judo is not superior to BJJ and BJJ is not superior to Judo, If you have both arts your a more rounded grappling artist. Not a fan of comparing arts as to which one is better we need to how to incorporate the different arts to what works for us.

[@Packaroo]

I'm not scooting around on my butt in any fight.

[@jagerthedog4378]

Yes.

[@roscoeroney4997]

Whats optimal is freestyle takedowns, folkstyle top control, judo trips/reversals and Bjj! Hopefully in the future Americans will just teach grappling and be less dogmatic in their art

[@dreadinside654]

You nailed it Mr O.G Fitness. 100% fights start standing. Nobody wants to roll, pulling guard on dirty, dangerous concrete with poops, broken glass and other kinds of desease and bacteria. That's why I started Judo at 36 years because I see the practical side of Judo for self defense and I love it! But I'm not an idiot saying Judo is superior to any types of martial art, I also took BJJ at the same time. Judo and BJJ is like tools in a tool box each one of them serve for a certain specific purpose. In the past, I also took up boxing and boxing became one of another tool inside my toolbox. It's stupid to say one art is better then another. Each art has it purpose and function. I have a feeling this John guy must have issues with Judo because he hate being thrown and he prefer pulling guard all the time! 🤣🤣🤣

[@Supermomo2007]

is the newaza in your judo school bad? judo has both tools.

[@gengotaku]

@@Supermomo2007 that’s a detail people mostly forget. Judokas know newaza,but the rules of competition don’t allow for stalling like it happens in BJJ. We like FIGHTING not STALLING. LOL

[@Supermomo2007]

@@gengotaku we have different randori styles in my judo club. Yesterday stalling was not allowed

[@ZahryD]

BJJ is just insanely popular nowadays because of MMA, but if I would have to choose than just Judo. Standup throwing is insane.

[@devriestown]

Lol why you got no top on cantiy

[@frederickmorton275]

for me personally bjj marketing puts me off. it is very much overpriced and it is not at all a complete well rounded martial art as it is marketed to be. take down and throws are practised in majority of clubs without resisting opponent- just drilling therefore you may as well not do it at all as you are wasting your time. drilling and then actually trying to implement it I a fight so to speak yes but drilling and then starting from the ground as most of bjj guys are doing is unrealistic and obviously there is no progress in stand up game which is very important. I have done bjj for good few years and my takedowns and throws were useless. I have since transitioned to judo and what I like about it is much more honest approach- nobody is trying to sell me any ideal that skill of judo translated to everything else in life and after training judo I'll be better at anything else- no, if I train judo I'll be good at judo- period. if you train ground game without takedowns with resisting opponents you will be good at ground game and useless at bringing game to the ground. I love more realistic energy of judo randori and I genuine honest approach- it is a sport and that's all it is- great sport. one more thing to add bjj as Gracie's trained it in preparation to ufc1 was obviously completely different animal! they have been exposed to strikes and learnt how to deal with it and how to bring the game to the ground. Gracie's were great fighters that were obviously exposed to dealing with all sorts of situations not just to another grapplers that don't strike and just start on the ground or even worst from the knees.

[@romanchumachenko6176]

I do both Bjj and Judo, and I love both arts, but I have to agree with this one. Not many schools in bjj do learn the stand-up game, I was lucky that my school offered classes in wrestling and also judo. But it is funny cause it almost goes the same way for judo schools in terms of the ground game. I don't know where we as martial artists, have lost that transition between good control standing and good control on the ground.

[@richardmosby3352]

I think Bjj is better because it has a self defense aspect to it as far as getting out of head locks , Did judo for 1 year ,and no self defense aspects yeah judo offer alot of throws but in any martial art you come to learn the self defense, and bjj teach that from day 1

[@gladiumcaeli]

So your telling after 1 year of doing judo you couldn't think of atleast 1 way of getting out of a headlock?

[@richardmosby3352]

@@gladiumcaeli I'm telling you after 1 year of judo there was no self defense aspects just throws ,and pins, and first day of Bjj head lock escape self defense moves with chokes and joint locks very first day ,and I realized I was doing the wrong martial art 1 year wasted , not saying judo do have a purpose but judo is stuck in it's old ways of teaching.

[@darylfields]

BJJ is just another style of judo

[@OGFITNESS]

lol

[@3halfshadows]

Funny comment, sounded pretty facetious to me. No way it's 100% serious. Maybe he was looking through a mixed martial art perspective. A lot of bjj is used in mma and not many judo throws. And that might give the impression it's hard to do against trained opponents.

[@momoswandelndesschloss4047]

Dude he is in the comments right now and he is serious😂😂😂 Scroll down to the second comment

[@benkeating3053]

BJJ better than judo Most famous BJJ practitioners most famous fight is loosing to a judoka.

[@AlexanderPews]

lol dude was being serious "why dont just admit bjj is superior to Judo" who asks something like that xD well jokes on him.. bjj came from judo and bjj=basicly just judo xD

[@me9497]

Bjj black belt and Judo black belt step into cage and fight til tap or unconscious: BJJ wins every time (after getting taken down). Not sure how that is disputable.

[@jasonmeas3816]

How can the bjj artist take the judo artist down when the judo artist start standing. That is there world. If anything the judo artist with take the bjj down

[@me9497]

@@jasonmeas3816 I could have been more clear - I meant the bjj guy wins, after he gets taken down by the judo guy.

[@daveyponderosa9549]

@@me9497 Maybe, is he still conscious after the takedown?

[@me9497]

@@daveyponderosa9549 very likely, yes. Especially in a cage... if it was on concrete you know he’d just pull guard anyway ;)

[@AlexanderPews]

@@me9497 so its basicly BJJ for sport Judo for street

[@jorachim]

Both judo and Brazilian jiujitsu came from traditional Japanese jiujitsu, but even though Jigoro Kano created Judo based in traditional Japanese jiujitsu, Judo is superior to japanese jujitsu (the original kind of jujitsu). Long time ago some Japanese jujitsu practitioner were defeated by some Jigoro Kano judo students. The Brazilian jiujitsu came from this Japanese jiujitsu so judo is better than jujitsu.

[@gianntomasini1579]

Brazilian jiu-jitsu didn't come from jiu-jitsu it came from judo which roots were from traditional jiu-jitsu. Bjj is just the newaza of judo helio and Carlos focused more on that.. judo actually has another style that's older than bjj and it's more a newaza style too. Mitsuyo Maeda the taught Carlos and helio was a judoka

[@sebozz2046]

@@gianntomasini1579 So in that case why is it called brazilian jiu jitsu and not brazilian judo didn't that would make more sense if it came from judo and not jiu jitsu ??

[@gianntomasini1579]

@@sebozz2046 the guy that taught Carlos and helio was mainly a judoka whom may have trained in traditional Japanese jiu-jitsu but traditional Japanese jiu-jitsu has strikes, small joint manipulation and other techniques not found in modern judo or in bjj. He was a well known judoka whom showed them mainly newasa.

[@gianntomasini1579]

@@sebozz2046 the gracies are well known to change stories and perspectives of things including the ufc. That being said the modern comps of jiu-jitsu are pick and choose if they is an odd man they won't make the Brazilian fight on the first round on open weight

[@gianntomasini1579]

@@sebozz2046 his name was Mitsuyo Maeda if your curious on doing research on him exclusing wiki lol. Also wouldn't sound good calling it Brazilian judo. Brazilian jiu-jitsu sounds bad ass it's just marketing and making a brand saying and linking it to traditional Japanese jiu-jitsu

[@tomsheppard378]

I cross train judo BJJ and boxing. Also dont mention I also do Aikido to aid recovery as includes breathing and stretching. I like combination of grappling throws and strikes. I dont see in terms of self defence as cant imagine I would ever get into a street fight, I'm 35 and never been in a fight I always de-escalate use jokes. I have a high level of fitness and can run pretty fast

[@JoseAlvarez-dl3hm]

ok, you must be John Wick

[@bm8602]

Using gear won't help you in judo that's why no one does it In the judo world ,you'll still get launched around regardless ..

[@frederickmorton275]

if John meant that it is difficult to judoka get thrown by another judoka because they are both trained then I agree with him-exlerienced judokas, wrestlers have excellent balance and they are much more difficult to bring to the ground. but if John meant that it is difficult for judoka to throw usual but experienced bjj player that hasn't got much experience in takedown , throws etc than that is a nonsense. bjj players are very easy to throw or take down as they are basically white Belts at judo and very bad wrestlers too.

[@Midnitedreary88]

John can tell you what he meant, John's right here. My point is, Yes, Judo throws work 100 percent.. Alot of the younger guys I know who wrestle in school, using their Judo background I've seen alot go on to regionals and states. If you can throw around a wrestler ur throws are legit no matter who you grab. But, that ain't the question. BJJ guys have no intention on standing with Judoka or anyone for that matter. Their goal is to go to the ground. So, once you lock up with them and they sit, you just entered their world. They'll slap on those Dela Riva hooks and whatever and take u to the mat and it's over. Just look into some of the freestyle Judo tournaments.look at who wins them BJJ guys. They will not let you play Judo with them. The fact that Judo (nowadays) is just taichiwaza makes Judo inferior to BJJ. There is a video of a gentlemen who runs the Kosen Judo team at one of Japans Universities. He knew Kimura Sensei. At University Kimura his first yr could not win in Judo bc of Newaza. Everyone knew his tachiwaza power so they went with newaza and beat him. His second yr he learned Newaza and the rest is history. Do you see what I'm trying to say?

[@frederickmorton275]

John, sport of bjj and sport of judo are two different games. judo is better for sport of judo bjj is better for sport of bjj are you saying that judo tournamebt can be easily won by average bjj guy that does not have experience in judo? bare in mind that once players land on the ground in judo you have very limited time to progress newaza and If you stall for split second game gets restarted standing up. training judo newaza in preparation to judo tournament is very different then training bjj at bjj class. it is far more explosive due to time limitations, and you are dealing with different situations- mainly with people turtling up in order to stall the game so it gets lifted. bjj defences and escapes don't work in judo that well again due to time limitations - for instance if you land in a judokas pin and you just want to relax and wait for right moment to escape you have just lost. so instead you need explosive judo escape that is tailored for this particular situation. the below is generalisation but this is how I see it: judoka wins judo tournament 9/10 times bjj guy wins bjj tournament 9/10 times wrestler wins wrestling tournament 9/10 times. now if we compare what is more useful for self defence I would go with judo due to judokas being used to explosive energy more often then at bjj class but also due to being trained in maintaining balance with other trained opponents that are trying to throw you. then once it lands on the ground it is not all that comfortable or even advised to play guards - that does not really mean that you are safe from strikes. bjj guys in general have awful takedowns/throws and I would like to see how would they in self defence situation just sit on their arse on the concrete just to avoid being thrown. bjj as it was practiced by Gracies yes but bjj as it is practiced now does not reach students proper takedown or throws therefore huge part of the art is crippled. bjj is good and useful judo is good and useful boxing is great and useful and it's best to combine them all each of the above on its own is just different game. what I'm trying to say is that to bring the fight to your world and impose your game you need to bring it to the ground and since it does not seem to be a good idea for you to just sit on your ass in self defence situation so you better get very good at takedowns and or throws In order to bring the fight to where you want it to be- to the ground. of course in bjj tournament bjj guy will win 9out 10 times due to point system, rule set longer rounds etc. this is what bjj is focused on- taking your time and slowly gaining more control to in the end submit the opponent but in judo tournament even if bjj player would bring it to the ground he wouldn't have that time and even in newaza judoka would have adventage as he would have rehearsed thousands of times explosive newaza transitions to submission

[@Midnitedreary88]

@@frederickmorton275 "are you saying that judo tournamebt can be easily won by average bjj guy that does not have experience in judo?" No, I am not saying that at all. what I am saying is forget the "rule sets" if you took a BJJ black belt and a Judo Black Belt and said ok roll. The BJJ guy would win 8/10 times. And, that's being modest. I don't know where the myth came from that BJJ isn't explosive and has no take downs. It's completely false. The Gracies ( and, I don't like them) went around and challenged everybody. And, they beat them and they beat them using Newaza. BJJ has a sport application and a street application the street application I can assure you does not involve butt scooting. BJJ has a simple approach to self defense. 1) take em to the ground. (Neutralize the persons ability to use explosive kinetic energy) 2)get passed the attackers legs once on the ground because legs are dangerous. 3) maneuver through a hierarchy of pins and transitions which limit their ability to strike you and increase ur ability to strike them 4) submit or restrain them as necessary I don't wanna keep having this debate this has already been debated which is more effective in real life and BJJ has already shown the world its capability that's why that is everyones go to for police, security and the military. And, that is why BJJ is becoming one of the worlds most popular MAs and combat sport. We can argue till we are blue in the face. The fact is Judo really fucked itself with all the banning and constraints its put on itself for the sake of being an olympic sport. I wanna see Judo go back to being old school I want Judo to embrace its roots. Kodokan Judo needs to adopt the Kosen Judo curriculum

[@frederickmorton275]

@@Midnitedreary88 interesting

[@frederickmorton275]

@@Midnitedreary88 let me rephrase it: bjj does have takedowns and throws but in majority of clubs those are not practised too often with resisting opponents. I have trained bjj in one of the clubs that claimed to be self defence orientated again self defence aspects of bjj were practiced but self defence techniques were not trained with truly resisting opponent for simple reason that there wasn't enough time for this so bjj ground techniques were the only once that were truly practiced in depth. what Gracie showed back in the day was grappling/bjj that was practiced against strikers, kickboxers, wrestlers , novadays that's not the case. majority of bjj practitioners myself Inuding are very mediocre at takedown and throws. now when you say let's take all the rules aside but keep the mats for now and what do we get? something close to MMA (I know there are rules in MMA that one could say are a bit disadvantagous to grapplers but still) where Good striker like Israel adrsanya can learn solid takedown defence etc and dominate the game. now take all the rules aside and take mats away and add strikes and this dominance of bjj is at question. judo player in this instance is likely to stay on his feet bjj guy might not be that keen to lay down on concrete as not only it is hard but also he may get kicked into the face or lunched- remember guard is not that safe as it is with bjj rules- no strikes etc. judo is likely to be quite a bit better for self defence. Gracies displayer bjj that was pressure tested agains variety of attackers that made their defence and takedown well rounded. majority of modern bjj practitioners Including myself are one dimensional fighters.

[@gengotaku]

Seeing some BJJ people mocking judo is like people who doesn’t know their origins, because Mitsuyo Maeda was a JUDOKA. I liked the comparison presented here because martial arts have 3 aspects that must be considered separately.Personally I think that BJJ became too competitive and , according to “Reylson Gracie”, became a “mutilated art”. I also agree, though a little suspicious as a judoka, that judo is SUPERIOR in a self-defense setting because NOBODY starts a fight while sitting. Also, I don’t see a fight continue after a judoka throws someone on the street.Anyway, it makes no sense comparing two martialr arts that have the same origin and developed in different ways and use different rules.However, if a BJJ and a judo guy compete using JUDO RULES, BJJ people are lost. When it’s the other way around there are some judo guys with a nice newaza work. In other words, practice the martial art you love and leave other people alone! Lol

[@OGFITNESS]

I think its mostly casuals/newbies that talk crap (i was guilty of this myself) , once they mature and learn more then they realize exactly what your talking about. At the end of the day, do what you enjoy and understand that there are pros and cons to every style and make sure the way you train and the disciplines you choose align w your goals.

[@JEFFMAN90]

I've seen more butthurt Judokas hating on BJJ

[@ramondiaz2851]

Bjj founder got defeated by a judoka!!

[@ramondiaz2851]

HELL no!! He is trolling you!!

[@MasterPoucksBestMan]

BJJ guy: "Judo newaza is too basic. In BJJ we have like 600 ground techniques. Just last week I used BJJ to subdue my drunk uncle." Judo guy: "Oh, yeah? What technique did you use?" BJJ guy: "Oh, you know, the tried and true RNC, bro!" Judo guy: ".... ...."

[@famfloro]

You mentioned the martial art aspect, the self defense aspect and the sport aspect of both styles, but remember that BJJ started in Brazil as a show business when Madea (using the Count Koma name) fought for money. The Gracies continued and fine tuned the sport for that purpose. Therefore, the idea of being superior on a mat is distorted by the idea of the show business. Of course, if you practice throwing your partners hard on concrete (as you do in Judo, wrestling, and sambo, etc.1) you will run out of partners pretty soon, so the mat is necessary for practice. But granted. BJJ, is awesome for the show business. And BTW, I love BJJ. Much easier on the knees. :-)

[@muhammadnada9433]

Judo is of course superior to bjj .the bjj fighters are very bad fighting in a standing position .They tend to set down at the beginning of each fight, guess they are fighting in the street against two persons .Most probably the bjj fighter will fight with one while the other one kick his face .No fight starts from the ground . Bjj practitioners love to fight while setting on their butt

[@Midnitedreary88]

There are countless videos of BJJ working just fine in the street. If BJJ didn't work the 75th Ranger Regiment wouldn't have adopted it as its go to MA prior to the Army creating the Army Combatives program. Police at police training centers are taught BJJ. No1 is teaching Judo as their go too self defense.

[@billcipher3946]

@@Midnitedreary88 Russians, Japanese French use judo

[@monopolyyy7]

We bjj practitioners usually train in mma such as Muay Thai and boxing etc. We gonna have a knock boy if you think we only have 1 style like you judokas.. Even if we’re talking about just purely bjj vs judo. Bjj wins hands down. Take it to the ground you’re welcome it is where bjj wants to be. Judokas are gonna be drowned in deep waters.

[@muhammadnada9433]

@@monopolyyy7 you admitted it .Without training in MMA ,Maui tai ,and other styles of martial arts ,BJJ practioners are gonna be beaten harshly .They tend to just set down and take the fight to the floor .Tell me how many kicks to the face you are gonna receive if you fight some one on the floor and his friends come to help him😂😂😂?

[@monopolyyy7]

@@muhammadnada9433 of course I’m talking about 1 to 1 situation with BJJ. Relax brother. Judokas on the other hand also couldn’t take on afew people at once let’s be real this is not movies alright.

[@Mulberry2000]

I heard the same excuse that judo people does not work against trained people or in another way a throw can never pulled off as people cannot spin into them fast enough. In other words they are giving their back to them. Its the same old myths time after time. Judo do train against other trained people, its has resistance fight called randoori. All judokas in class has to fight other judokas, they have to fight them in competitions and for gradings etc. If you say different to bjj people you will get offered out to a fight. I kid you not thats how insecure they are. The OP in the video is correct, there are different rules for for different arts, judo is mainly standing up with some ground fighting. It has a lot of holds, locks and and stangles which are part of bjj. The easy of judo fighting on the ground is just that an ease. You cannot get choice paralyse, that is a bad think if you too many techniques to choice from. It is not good in training or on the street. As side not i came across a old karate book from the 70s it had ground fighting as part of it as well. Not surprising reallly as karate was originally a grappling art. You see this in the katas they have look at Wanshu for example. It has a lot of grabbings and throwing, i can see because of my judo back ground. The kata out of context looks nothing but when in it is a nasty kata with lots of hard techniques to teach. Also a lot of karate kata do not have any of the fancy kicks in them, mostly its just the front kick and that is aimed low. There is one kata with a low side kick as well.

[@laithalmasri6985]

Bjj techniques Actually a lot of them did exist in Judo and other Japanese ju jutsu styles except for berimbolo Donkey guard And rubber gaurd family

[@Midnitedreary88]

Berimbolo existed in Judo before it was adopted by the brazilians

[@laithalmasri6985]

@@Midnitedreary88I guess what about the other 2 And what about worm 🪱 guard

[@Midnitedreary88]

@@laithalmasri6985 To be honest I don't know really I'd have too research and see if pre Olympic Kodokan Judo was using those guards or variants of them. I have watched videos from men like Jake Shannon ( Catch Wrestler coach) talk about how alot of things Keenan Cornelius and Eddie Bravo " created" were already being practiced in Catch Wrestling. So, something is always being influenced by something else ya know?

[@laithalmasri6985]

@@Midnitedreary88 oh thanks for making it clear

[@justjustreid1527]

Well they are both great thats it . Its just not the same thing both have a lot of techniques on the groupe And up judo has more stuff in the clinch then on the troube but still has a lot of sumission etc.. And ju jitsu is the opposition to that more stuff on the ground And less in the clinch but they have both technique up And down Your right by saying bjj is not as good for self defense thats true becsuse its the sport side of ju jitsu but if you take gracie ju jitsu they have a lot of self defense stuff but bjj And gjj are the same just bjj is the sport side and gjj is the more self defense side Two deferend culture damn right on that And you say bjj Vs judo who is better Well it depend for who What are you looking for bjj its still physical Yess but it does hurt less then judo becsuse you got mutch less class were tou throw And stuff . For the name of the technique i préfère bjj becsuse its in english side control , rubber guard, Kimura lock , armbar etc.. compere to judo were its All In japanese And its very tought to lurn Well for me So Yeah thats just my opinion i would just love that judo as competition were the gold is the sumission becsuse you would have clinch work And ground work And it would show the world that judo is not only throw but anyway

[@warbandsoldier]

Bjj is judo with emphasis on ne waza instead of throws and stand up. For self defense judo is better but its still incomplete, you need striking as well. Best self defense is a combination of different martial arts for a complete game aka mma. My fav self defense is a game called 3 gun.

[@JoseAlvarez-dl3hm]

since when mma is a martial art itself, lol. Its same says it all.

[@graphstyle]

(JKD)

[@bm8602]

Bjj lizards, where are ya juice heads

[@Midnitedreary88]

I am soOo unhappy you said my name wrong. Lol Plus if u wanted to know if I was " Trolling" you, you could have just asked me instead of hearting my comment. Than making a video about it moons later. The comment was a partial troll move but my points were legit. Regarding BJJ it's hard to pull off Judo throws, why?????? Bc the BJJ guy will just sit and go into Newaza. The Majority of Judoka lack decent Newaza. So, what happens the Judoka gets dominated. BTW, I love Judo and I try and train Judo as much as possible. You always dance around the topic that's why I said what I said. After all, You< made a video saying you switched from BJJ to Judo because Judo was more affordable. Not bc you felt Judo had attributes BJJ didn't, you did it bc it was less expensive, right? You had hard times and couldn't afford BJJ right? I could go on and on how you kinda talk out both sides of ur neck ( which I don't think is a good or bad thing ur entitled to ur opinions). I posted that comment a while ago on one of ur videos you released during that time. Why are you making a video about this now? Out of all the "Trolls" who comment day in day out you put me on blast? Interesting.....

[@judocrusader5171]

calm down tuakana

[@OGFITNESS]

Tuakana?🤔😂

[@guyetundi5501]

BJJ is a scam. It's expensive for no reason. Just laying your ass on the floor all day for what ?? Hoping that may be someday someone would eventually take you on the ground and you'll make him tap.😂😂

[@JEFFMAN90]

Lmaoo what a stupid comment. Instead of being jealous of BJJs popularity maybe you Judokas should focus on properly promoting your art and also make ore classes for adults Instead of focusing on kids.

[@Midnitedreary88]

@O.G. FITNESS I am very familiar with the history of Judo and BJJ See in the middle of the video u talk out of both sides of ur neck again. Lol First you say Judo had all of those newaza techniques back in the day than you stopped urself bc you know they don't use those techniques anymore, you go on about well its a different sport now with rule sets. So, the whole point u made is irrelevant. So the arts are different. BJJ is not Basically Just Judo and YOU know that lol. So, stop bro. Your not talking to a moron. And, I didn't appreciate how mocked me. They don't use Newaza like that anymore. Most schools don't even know how. Everything is attacking the turtle position and that's its. I've seen black belt Judoka unable to escape being mounted. Let that fact sink in. That's why I said Judo newaza is basic. Lastly my guy, I'll leave you with this. I've seen Judo black belts be submitted by BJJ white belts. You will NEVER see a BJJ black belt being submitted by a Judo white belt ( assuming he only knows judo). So, if BJJ is just Judo how is that possible?

[@momoswandelndesschloss4047]

Its ok boobo, dont let the bad man anger you. You are right on everything and a very special boy! Dont ever think you are not! Just dont think about it anymore and have nice thoughts😽❤

[@Midnitedreary88]

@@momoswandelndesschloss4047 Not so butt hurt to make a whole video.

[@gladiumcaeli]

@@Midnitedreary88 I've seen in recent video of bjj brown belt couldn't submit a white belt (shields vs elkins) Edit: OG trained in both art, i'm curious what grappling experience you have

[@Midnitedreary88]

@@gladiumcaeli I watched the fight you are referring too. I like Shields and I actually like watching boxing over the UFC. But, that's a whole other story. That scenario though is a real fight we are talking strictly grappling. There are many more factors that come into play in mma. We all watched Khabib reduce 5th degree blacks belts in BJJ to rubble in mma and we have watched him do it using some beautiful Judo. I train Judo 2 days a week And BJJ 1 day a week. And, when I was much younger I boxed for about 2 yrs. My favorite grappling art is Judo. It may seem I'm a BJJ fan boy but I am not. But, given the current curriculum in Judo it has fallen drastically behind BJJ. The lack of newaza in Judo makes it inferior to BJJ. We can argue a solid Judo throw ends a fights and look when I roll I roll as a Judoka I only find myself pulling guard when someone is way stronger than me otherwise I prefer the top game. I am by far no technical expert but the fact is newaza vs bjj, bjj is superior. And, what frustrates me is Judo is a complete gi grappling art. And it limited itself to tachiwaza. Judo banned single/double leg take downs, countless throws, even limits the whole grip game. If you research the Kosen Judo players they still hold on to the old school Judo and they are great grapplers. Also, search up Ryan Vargas he will be competing in the Judo Olympics he is also an elite brown belt in BJJ listen to watch he has to say. Down in Florida is working on freestyle Judo which allows for no gi and continued newaza. I'll send you Ryan's video. I'll also send u a video of a Kosen Judo coach who knew Kimura sensei and how Kimura couldn't win a Judo match in college bc of the kosen ruleset for newaza. He HAD to master newaza and good thing he did can u imagine the state Judo would have been. In if Gracie choked him out? I have honest conversations with the bjj guys at my gym they don't think much of Judo newaza or Judo and they mean it respectfully. To them they'd rather learn wrestling bc it compliments their bjj much better. Maybe one day I'll post my own videos and show step by step have the bjj way makes more sense.

[@Midnitedreary88]

@@gladiumcaeli Vargas kzbin.info/www/bejne/kJrbomebjNKSqtk

[@conorfiggs234]

Bjj doesn’t necessarily ‘come from’ judo, more so they’re the same martial art with their own specialty. Both are pretty much just the modern, evolved incarnations of Japanese Jūjutsu’s ne waza and nage waza. And bjj’s submissions were modified by the Gracie’s, for example there weren’t many subs from the guard and stuff like the buggy choke didn’t exist and is a bjj invention, furthermore there’s plenty of evidence backing the claim that was of bjj’s leg locks actually come from Mitsuyo Maeda’s study and competing in catch wrestling