Is Canada’s international student program broken?

Many post-secondary schools have boosted international enrolment in recent years because provincial funding for colleges and universities has declined. But officials are calling out “bad actors” who they say mislead students about the real cost of living and “puppy mill” schools that don’t provide a quality education.
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[@marigold9544]

It’s insane to encourage students to come to Canada when there is no where for them to live.

[@swaggery]

It's insane when we have very few jobs.

[@443DM]

@@swaggery Can we ignore everyone that ever said "labour shortage" now?

[@taylor-t1y]

They are advertizing sharing a room for 500-700$ a month for college kids in North Bay Ontario. Sharing a bedroom that is. Yay we are one of the immigration settlement cities! Hip Hip Hooray!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[@a.r1832]

Let them study online in their home countries. We cannot be having International Students sleeping in our stairwell. That's not safe.

[@beautanner8409]

There are various reasons that demonstrate that the labor shortage has been overstated.@@443DM

[@nareshrocky2010]

Put a cap on Permanent residence, which eventually solves every issue. No more puppy mills, no false promises from so-called consultants, aka financial predators.

[@esparda07]

Mark my words, this is coming next. The spotlight is on the International Students now but once it dies down and the high cost of living still lingers, that's what's next on the chopping block.

[@MohamedMohamed-cw3ud]

Exactly that is what them to come with no clues.

[@smurug85]

So you got your PR recently and now you act like Canadian 😅😂😅😂 when you will never be one 😅😂😅

[@beautanner8409]

Or just someone speaking sense. @@smurug85

[@Eddie_ML]

No because people will still come as temporary residents and a lot ot them will naturally want to stay here. The logical thing is to cap temporary residents to allow those who get to come here to be able to stay.

[@realthing00]

Immigration agents selling job offer letters for 40,000 CAD in Vancouver area, and it’s strange that immigration Canada don’t know about this

[@varinderpalmann2841]

True

[@isabelletran5907]

40k for nail technician lollll. Even more expensive for more advanced posts. Don't ask me why me lolll

[@msmichelle2196]

The government knows lol it's nothing to care about if at the end of the day their greed is met....ppl need to wake up this has been happening for years n won't be changing lol

[@RavinderSingh-d5i]

Unfortunately it's true

[@FatherFH]

There are no jobs here. Why the hell are we even talking about housing when the programs dont even have a chance of a job afterwards? I agree with the trades guy but you can not expect an international student that already has a degree to start welding.

[@huktfs5442ujn]

and actually many compulsory skilled trades are protected, u can't get into apprenticeship without pr.

[@FatherFH]

@@huktfs5442ujn oh really, i did not know that. This country is so done.

[@mateofernando5066]

The real issue, these universities and colleges that cannot command market level tuitition because the programs or degrees they offer are of questionable value. Questionable meaning anyone graduating cannot be gainfully employed AND command an above average salary. So, really these colleges and universities should be shut down, but there is no political will to do it, especially if you are the incumbent MPP in that riding.

[@msmichelle2196]

The reality is Canada is known as a country to sell things they don't have....the reason it appears like it's breaking because they never had a foundation to begin with.... majority of students whether international or not haven't actually utilized their credentials....it's just that Canada is passive and ppl ignore what goes on

[@monz]

One of those “puppy mill” schools I bet you is Lambton College in Sarnia, Ontario.

[@SalTasholli]

And Conestoga Colleges in Kitchener -Waterloo and Guelph

[@davidgeary490]

It's large Canadian universities too - they are merely degree mills now....everybody passes ...nobody fails.

[@guigram1124]

Why are they showing this like its a new issue? It's been like this for years. Record after record breaking bringing new students and, now that it broke the housing system, the press decided to report it, and the gov. decided to do something about it.

[@guigram1124]

@@coffeecake343only Conservative provinces are having this problem? And who issues the Visas, Federal gov right?

[@guigram1124]

@coffeecake343 Every province has a provincial immigration program, no matter what they vote, like the BC PNP. New Brunswick for example is known to be one of the easiest provinces to grant PR

[@EndOfIt]

Solution is simple: Student visa should not translate into a PR into Citizenship... and immediately you will only see students coming through who give two hoots about the education... 95% of the students who only come for PR/citizenship wont even bother... no need for caps etc... let them study, go back...

[@huhujojo1968]

100%, you don't need the cap if you make the path to citizenship harder,

[@pops1cle187]

Why would anyone be coming to study in Canada if you aren't providing citizenship lol.

[@FloodPower]

@@pops1cle187 Canada was once a great country

[@utsavshah981]

It this is implemented, I bet you Canada is not worth single penny and you expect us to spend (x4)~(x5) quadruple or quintuple amount of tuition fees to make you kids education for free. I can tell you this my friend, you might be leaving in different world though.

[@notyourbestie]

And then, you'll still need us. International student first who came with 10 plus years experience as a doctor and not gonna give us PR and many more of us? This rule of yours will be impossible.

[@rachelk8368]

Whoever "accredited" these universities should lose their job and should shut down that accreditation body. It is only about money and not bettering Canada. We don't need more Tim Hortons and Uber workers. We need healthcare providers and trades people. SHUT IT DOWN.

[@notyourbestie]

Well the health care workers are still immigrants. Me and my partner as examples 😂

[@USA-CANADA1480]

@@notyourbestietrue but how many are there of YOU compared to how many there are of THEM? Especially those who come here to take food from food banks meant for Canadians? Besides, he’s talking about “immigrant wannabe” students, of now, not Landed Immigrants of the past when there were real jobs.

[@robsoncoqueiro3676]

Being a former international student myself, I think it is clear for everyone that the main issue is coming from a specific region. Not pointing fingers here, the country receiving students should vet whoever is interested in studying there. But most importantly, if we care if our food is ethically sourced, why wouldnt a country make sure the selection process is fair and ethical when recruiting an intl student? Many come to study because of the possibility of the PR, but not everyone actually CARES about studying. Ive had multiple cases where my colleagues and myself had to study hard to make up for the lack of commitment of some students and, as much as it is sad for me to say it, 99% of then were from one particular place. “I want my PR, got a student visa, so I should focus on my studies to get it” sadly is not the mentality in place. Also, landlords are afraid of renting their homes to students, because many of these so-called students bring in lots of people to live in the house without their consent and, when they move out, the place is miserably damaged. All cases I’ve experienced and/or seen. Here’s hoping something or someone will make our lives better, which obviously wont happen with one but many integrated effective decisions.

[@robsoncoqueiro3676]

PS: Not being naive here, Canada has made trillions of dollars with this policy (government fees, taxes, Universities etc). Too much Capitalism and too much greed allowed this to happen.

[@stevenl5751]

​@@robsoncoqueiro3676Capitalism also made the country more prosperous which in turn makes people want to come here.

[@robsoncoqueiro3676]

@@Ghostypepper582 that I agree

[@robsoncoqueiro3676]

@@stevenl5751 sure, but the difference in the poison and the medicine is the ratio. Think about it

[@robsoncoqueiro3676]

@@Ghostypepper582 true! But having overseas people pay more is the equation for domestic students to be worth less.. I agree with you

[@ashoksahcanada]

Its so sad that SCAMS are everywhere

[@daniellai7712]

Then don’t come to Canada

[@samanthavinyl2434]

I took a post grad college course at Humber in 2011 and was shocked by what a broken system it was then, i cant even imagine what it's like now. Many of them could barely speak english, let alone write full college assignments in english, but we would get put into groups with them where they would be responsible for a portion of the work they had no way of completing. We were silently expected to pick up the work and i just said absolutely not, this person cannot complete the work in order to earn their diploma, which meant they would ultimately flunk out and have to go back home to their own country. Imagine being the reason someone has to leave a country they'd hoped to build a new life in. Ill never forget her tears. What an absolute mess of a system

[@mukesharora2053]

Consider the case of Niagara college, where students were miserably failing and to the surprise, even they don’t understand the English . Very strange, they passed Literacy test before coming here.

[@samanthavinyl2434]

@mukesharora2053 it was for an HR management class and the assignment was on McDonald's and their HR department, etc. When I started receiving their written portions to the work, they were barely legible, and it became obvious they couldn't speak the language. I just put my foot down and said, you absolutely need to complete this assignment somehow or I will be exposing this to the department heads. A half hour later I get a thoughtfully typed out assignment from them, I said wow, good job, this is much better. I ended up inputting a single sentence of it into Google for whatever reason and the McDonald's wikipedia page popped up. This person plagiarized the McDonald's wiki site and tried to pass it off to me like her own work lol. When I called her out on it over the phone she just basically laughed and hung up on me. I had TWO current class projects with this person. I made a complaint to the one class head thinking that's it, it's over, case closed, but was still responsible to do the same for the other class as if it was ME who had to prove my case here instead of HER having to defend hers. Both teachers even tried to ask me if there was some way I could sort it out with her. Like uhhh no, I'm not an English teacher lmao, I couldn't even if i wanted to. Both teachers really didn't want anything to do with it. It's obvious there must be a lot of money and kickbacks involved, and obviously initial trickery to even get over here in the first place if they can't even write and produce the necessary work in English

[@aalampara7853]

The best suggestion is that students should not have a direct path to PR. Proposing a waiting period of at least 3 years after graduation or 7 years from arrival whichever comes later before submitting a PR application, with an additional 3-year wait for approval. To qualify during this period, meaningful employment related to their studies and skills should be demonstrated. Furthermore, dependants of these students should not be permitted to work until the primary applicants obtain PR. Implementing stricter criteria for PR applications is seen as a deterrent to potential scammers and abuses.

[@aham-nezesochukwuma6550]

that is unrealistic, considering the labor needs of Canada. At the moment Canada is seeing a significant increase in retirement, and folks leaving the workforce. Furthermore, its easier to transition someone who has studied here to a PR, than bring in a new immigrant.

[@dinvsl]

Not just the program, the country is broken after 8 years of Turdeau.

[@OmegaProxy]

Like EVERYTHING else the government has twiddled their thumbs on the matter for nearly a decade. For example, Algonquin College in Ottawa has tripled in size by basically becoming an international school for ChatGPT users. There are many classes and courses mainly comprised of international students and it makes me wonder how many Canadians coming out of high school in the area get rejected in favour of an international student. The number of people I’ve met here on a study or work permit looking for permanent residence is astounding.

[@zeinababdi4757]

When Stephen Happer was in the office, nothing like this was happening, I am voting conservative

[@Magnolia7932]

Miller did the right move. We have been lived in Canada without those international students. We will survive without them. The lawyers will suffer, because they will loose the milky income.

[@rbassassin99]

the one thing i like is he as well put 2 teir system. Those going to a credited regulated DLI will come in and the other who goes to ones that don't care how many people they allowed in is teir 2 (i.e non regulated) plus he even mention if provincal and territores don't start regulating the private ones and manage the international acceptence they gonna step in. So not sure how premier gonna like but the premier done nothing to do it.

[@ninjaabcde]

Lets not be naiive and believe These students were unaware of what they were buying.

[@443DM]

Why did Doug Ford's Ontario authorize and accredit the schools to do this?

[@RobBouch-q3t]

💸💸💸💸💸💸💸💸🤑🤑🤑🤑🤑🤑🤑🤑🤑🤑🤑

[@dasalekhya]

*did you NOT watch the video* ??? --- >>> 3:30

[@RobBouch-q3t]

@@dasalekhya What's your point?🤣

[@rebeccavl97]

This is why I disliked my college so much. It felt like such a mill for international students.

[@TheMikeparr]

Canada is broken as a whole at the moment

[@syeddanishanwer]

Why the heck go to Canada when you can enroll in a foreign program online?

[@VoiceBootcampInc]

PR only because of PR

[@stark-tonny]

Most of International students want Canadian citizenship. they leave after they get because of Canadian unbearable weather. so it’s a good business for Canada

[@jyoon0128]

this is not an issue that came up overnight night it's just been put to light overnight. I am not sure why the Government of Canada let this situation go unchecked for so long. international students are, in essence, immigrants. they come with the intention to get a good education in Canada and then to find a job to afterward eventually live and migrant to Canada. But if you have substandard education being provided without requiring sufficient funds to address their stay. those same students are going to add stress to a system, which historically has been taken advantage of when deemed necessary. shame on Canada government that it is trying to increase the population without taking into full consideration the contribution that each international student can contribute. quality vs quantity, not quantity over quality. Canada needs to work hard to bring back up the quality of living that attracted so many immigrants in the 70s and 80s. Good luck, Canada. We will be praying for you 🙏 ❤️!

[@ccheg3949]

EVERYTHING IS BROKEN in Canada!! Don't come here unless you plan to live in a tent in -40C or under a box!!!

[@masquereseau5635]

To anyone thinking of coming to Canada, just stop 🛑. Go to the USA instead.

[@brentborland799]

What isn't broken in Trudeau’s Canada. Never had this problem when Harper was Prime Minister.

[@443DM]

I can't believe Trudeau let Doug Ford do this to Ontario!

[@brentborland799]

@443DM the "INTERNATIONAL STUDENTS PROGRAM" is just that "INTERNATIONAL" no single province has control over it and the program across the country is "FULL OF FRAUD" including some Federal government agencies and officials.

[@johnantony-i8t]

Colleges and universities in canada got addicted with international students money.

[@zeinababdi4757]

Canadian Immigration system is broken beyond repair.

[@mahtabsoin7239]

Canada is a joke of a developed country. As a resident of Canada, I would strongly advise Indian students to seek opportunities elsewhere. It's not worth the stress to be honest, especially after paying mega $$$

[@goldtdig2]

All of canada seems to be broken.

[@Brad.777]

Trudeau has broken canada!

[@svensvensson6941]

It’s Canada. Everything’s broken.

[@llamaface6229]

It’s not just private colleges. I live in London and Fanshawe is packed with Indian students. I have seen the same at Conestoga

[@TheRajuSharma]

They're very late to react. Rest of the country knew what was going on years ago and now the government is overreacting to make up their mistakes when they could have taken steps to improve the system. But that would affect the money they're making under the table

[@msmichelle2196]

Lol exactly....a decades long reality....greed won't ever stop....it's the typical Canadian way to talk and no actions, the media is just playing to ppls emotions

[@jonk5669]

Our healthcare is broken, housing is broken, rent is broken, taxes are broken, immigration is broken, our education system is broken, our justice system is broken, we're essentially in freefall but Canadians would rather suffer than be called mean words.

[@joethi4981]

Its public universities. They charge 3 to 5 times the fees.

[@alanross2876]

Canadas federal government is broken.

[@JessT-vg7ib]

It's not broken...it's just ripe for abuse.

[@truthseeker-wj1iu]

Very low quality academically and also morally , for the international students that I have been teaching in the past few years (during and after COVID) in the institution I work with.

[@YogiBear7007]

Why not just have visa-interviews like the states.

[@shararshoumik1516]

Its such a business...post secondary has been a joke now in Canada with less emphasis on quality and making a low standard...nowadays degrees and diplomas from these institutions doesnt guarantee any job rn

[@TonyMontana-xv4lc]

Students applications have been fallen for the past months, all due to cost of living, Liberals are just gaslighting they’re fixing what they created. So now Liberals want Mexican to come to fill low income labour.

[@nanskiboutski243]

Yes, it is broken. And breaking Canada.

[@jay1645]

It's just another racket about 7 yrs or so old when I first noticed it but the solution seems as absurd as the current problem and am guessing nothing will be solved as usual ? Like roofing scams , car rental scams and others imo

[@avijitbasu5789]

Ban the puppy Mills. Do you have the GUTS.. Mr. Trudeau?

[@Ms123kill]

yep 2500-3500$ is the rate for 1 student. If 3rd party agent gets 2.5-3.5k per student, its a shady business

[@andrejoseph5833]

This has been going on for a long time. The government knew it. Poor students.

[@mukesharora2053]

This is a new way of Financial slavery. Everyone comes here with an objective. It is the Govt who offer them. So the onus is to Govt which has failed in their duties and oversight this educational business. Finally the system has collapsed.

[@andrewign5806]

Please! Require “college agents” to disclose their agent status to the prospective students! Currently, college agents mimicry as “educational consultants” and even charitable organizations, to create an impression that their clients are prospective students and not colleges. Help to stop reining lives of millions of young people 🙏🏼

[@enriquemoran9094]

Finally they do something! how many years and how many bucks went to schools and people who have left this country with a crisis of both education and housing? Now we just have to build millions of units just to keep up. There are applications to rent rooms! Rooms at 1,500$ very few apartments available and waiting lists for everything for housing for healthcare. Everything is on a waiting list except the bills and taxes. Those are coming right on time. Great job people, great job!

[@sonia68ish]

Our own Canadian students can’t find jobs because of these international students they come here to study yet they don’t study and work full-time and take these jobs away from them. They are so entitled and feel they should all get PR after they’re done this needs to end and they need to be sent home and they need to come here the legal way.

[@eb.3764]

5:57 LOL I talked to this guy today at UPEI's barbeque. He thought I was an international student.

[@linchpin6761]

always too late to explore

[@CandaceMarie.]

No it's not broken. You come here to get an education then leave. Bye. So what that you have to pay more. Study somewhere else then.

[@cathtf7957]

Are they receiving Canada student loans and grants as well?

[@marystapley309]

It must be a priviledge, and a match for the values of the existing population. Our values built the institutions we have that are apparently a valuable opportunity these students they can't find at home.

[@yuliojones4633]

Mulroney building at stfx. Buff said.

[@niftyoptionslivetradingand7231]

I am a Masters in Digital Business from a no 5 University of New Zealand, along with an engineering degree, with 5 years of experience in Data Analytics and 10yrs in HSBC UK banking operations. I an studying Project Management in Canada right now. It should be easy for qualified people like me to get a PR, however millions of uneducated students who can't even speak proper English get an easy PR. Shows who is exploiting and who has capacity to add value to Canada.

[@manoharvirgo]

Hello @CBC, thank you for covering this topic. But is there any problem with the audio recording?? Bcoz reading the lips movement of the ministers all I can make out them say is BS BS BS with very serious expression on their faces. Are they talking crap again??

[@shijusasidharan548]

Trudo mess up Canada .

[@100678130]

Of course it is. The entire Canadian immigration scheme is broken. We have for decades looked to the Nordic countries as exemplars of immigration policy and now those countries are admitting that it simply doesn’t work. The future of our nation rests on us making meaningful changes not just to our immigration policies but our attitudes toward “integration”, as we see the rise of extremism in our population - a direct consequence of who we let in this country and where they come from.

[@mylesm444]

i dunno, is water wet?

[@idunnoanymore2814]

Are they not giving no post graduate work permits to students in public colleges built sep 2026 now?

[@idunnoanymore2814]

@Ben_Silverstein34 lol

[@ragaashish33]

govt is hand in glove with these tuition mills for taxes,although they may pretend to care for students

[@emd1791]

Wow. CBC actually doing a decent story for the first time in……I can’t even remember. Finally getting something right

[@Rspsand07]

The whole country is

[@llamaface6229]

It’s not that easy getting PR. They have to complete conditions to even apply for the permanent status like getting into a managerial position within 5 years. Personally I know a few students that went back home. And those who are still here are just making a paycheque till their visa runs out.

[@ksc6412]

No place to live.

[@ritabanroy]

the title should have been a statement..

[@kyehusky5096]

Where are the stories on the farmer’s revolt in Europe?

[@seanwhitehall4652]

News program: talks about policy changes to limit international students. Comments: TaLk AbOuT hOw ThIs EfFeCtS mE 😢

[@mukesharora2053]

Why you are ignoring a big fact and that the competence of the faculty members, are they really qualified to teach their students. No body is checking them specifically the road side colleges, you says mills? In regards to the job market, non of them wants to work in field . Everyone wants a white colour jobs which doesn’t exist. What Canada needs is people to work in Tim Hortons and truck drivers to move the stuff around. This is a truth.

[@williamtang479]

yes, especially the diplomats in India are under the pressure from the elected officials to open the back door for the under criteria students

[@blurtam188]

Don't worry Alberta will take 'em. They don't believe in the rule of Canadian law.

[@Barnaclebeard]

"Some are located in strip malls," and some are Conestoga College.

[@johnconnor4749]

Crazy

[@wanda6188]

Yes

[@brentbauer8258]

It is no different than the liberal bill c21 gun bill.

[@mehtaank1]

How is DLI list available on government of Canada not kept up to date?? Clearly, federal and provincial government has dropped the ball on this topic also - shear negligence on so many levels!!!

[@rbassassin99]

the province and territory has to go in the school to see if they are credited then they submitted to the federal. Only provincal level can regulated them. Apprently private ones are not inspected or regularly regulated. So that is the problem with private colleges (ie carrer colleges)

[@aaz1992]

Of course they would want to print a single sheet of 4/11 paper for $80,000

[@zeek1657]

Yes.

[@jaydeeppanchal8743]

Cant handle student housing. 😂

[@aalampara7853]

6:05 The statistic canada PR data is between 2000-2014? Whats the situation for 2014-2014? Don’t manipulate us

[@aaz1992]

the scam is running its course lol

[@marynancy1187]

Better fix it or they will leave and if you think things are bad now wait, oh wait and wait and wait for your health care. Student residences were converted into long term care facilities. More buildings need to be built, don’t support a proxy war that’s over. Stop paying Ukrainian civil servant, paramedic, teacher salaries.

[@tigerbear3038]

The answer is 'Yes'

[@lailaansari7293]

Sadly, once again, it's the bad " eggs" who spoil it for the rest..with the crooks using Int.students...as bait..etc... the PM should be concerning himself more with these things than flying off and ignoring how his country is hurting and being misused!!!. Such a sad state of affairs, also where would they live....he hasn't done much in the way of housing his own countrynen, let alone foreign students ( who we need!)

[@Infamous41]

If ir vocal and loud enough u can get your way with alot especially with the Canadian govt

[@harleyadams4551]

One’s bank account determines what laws must be abided to in Canada. Just a different kind of corruption, than one sees in impoverished countries, but a very corrupted government.

[@humbertoyadon1864]

All of Canada is broken, not only Canada’s international students' program.

[@KeatrithAmakiir]

lol you don't like election results and suddenly the country is broken. Adorably Trumpian, or should I say deplorably ;)

[@MoChi-ep6er]

I have help multiple student who flew from China, Ukraine and Korea and they notice that they pay far more for the schooling then the houses they bought. It’s crazy sadly I don’t think anything will change as the world is run on money and the government isn’t doing anything to help out Canadian or international students

[@msmichelle2196]

Exactly it's greed and no one will want to change that

[@FlemmingGiese]

i think north Korea is worse than Canada , just about, but close.

[@stephanienguyen6992]

AUDIT: consultants Immigration

[@peterbutz642]

No surprise there it’s like rest of Canada Trudeau broken everything he touched

[@harryjung6767]

Canada needs to be like Australia one day. Australia reformed student visa system a month ago by strengthening rules against onshore visa hopping and graduate visas won't be granted to anyone over 35 years of age. Australia increased English test scores for student visas and graduate visas by 0.5 points, which means that anyone who would like to apply for student visa must score 5.5 on IELTS and 6.5 for graduate visas. Also Australia scrapped visas and permanent residency given to wealthy individuals who invest $5 million or more few days ago. Nowadays, Australian visa system is geared to skilled workers who have 2 years or more experience on each occupation lists, which means that these skilled workers now have a pathway to the permanent residency after two years with one employer. However, these skilled workers must find an employer who is willing to sponsor them and pay them at least $70,000 or more per year. If graduates cannot find employers who pay them $70,000 a year or more, then there is no pathway for them to stay longer in Australia. THIS IS WHAT IS REALLY NEEDED IN CANADA!

[@ewertonlacerdadasilva3902]

Hi Harry just to give you some additional information, most academic programs in Canada asks for a 6.0 or 6.5 IELTS score. This is higher than Australia. The path to PR for most students already requires at least 1 year of work experience in a highly skilled or semi-skilled profession, again, similar to what you are proposing. If you look at the point system our government uses you notice that work experience after graduation and things like language have a higher impact on PR application than their studies in Canada.

[@timehathtcg]

so government is... make it difficult now for immigrants who could potentially contribute to the economy's GDP ask school to self regulate recruitment processes Not fix the housing problem (Again) And punish those who don't deserve to be punished

[@bigbarry8343]

GDP is a deeply flawed measure

[@Desmots996]

International journal

[@lominiski]

EDU tech?

[@KS-xg3vo]

Canada is in business of selling PR in return of getting labour and population of taxpayers. Life of Canadians is so stressful that the birth rate fell to 1.4 so they get population from outside. Students from other developed nations are not interested to come in Canada. India is the only developing nation where people can afford to pay high tution fees. Canada could get some brilliant brains from India in last decade. They made their own 3 COVID vaccines where Canada did none but policy makers invited only labor. It happens only in Canada where a back home Doctor, Professor or Engineer driving Uber.

[@bigbarry8343]

I've been to india, and its not great.

[@mukesharora2053]

Because they don’t allow them to upgrade in professional fields like medicine, engineering etc, by blocking them for residency programs.

[@Dam-a-fence]

As a subject of the double cohort test group related to eliminating grade 13, or OAC in Ontario, the lesser of the two subjects that is, I can tell you, the education system in Ontario at least is broken. I would know, I helped to break it while I was being used as a test subject. Now, of course, I didn't know I was being used as a lab rat at the time, so I couldn't help, I could only rebel against the ridiculous constraints the staff were subject to that made no sense to me at all. Since I was often successful in deceiving my teachers and their bosses, yes I could tell, many new policies were implemented, that never would have been, had it not been for my deceptions, which resulted in my expected creation of these entirely useless policies.

[@taylor-t1y]

If you are that self-aware, no chance you didn't know what was going on I agree. At best, you are weak af. At worst, you are immorally complicit wishing you were at least ammorally invovled. You have lots of company though so chin up!!! The health care pros really threw humanity under the bus as well as education. Proving that they are no longer to be trusted with the general populations health for a long long time if ever again.