Is Caravan The Hardest Tune to Play on Drums?

[@gatfatf]

I think the point was that Caravan was just a regular ass jazz drum song, the director just happened to be Hitler.

[@victorberny2379]

Or something like a perfectionist music lover, no necessary going in such excess with Dolfy

[@CarlosRamirez-ns7qw]

@@victorberny2379 Its fun, why not.

[@viktorg6823]

@@CarlosRamirez-ns7qw the point ist that if you compare people to Hitler for simply for being an asshole, then the comparison to the most evil man in all of history loses all it's weight. You're basically making Hitler seem less bad than he was by comparing people to Hitler in an inflationary manner.

[@oreogaborio]

Well geez, Viktor. I agree but ya don't gotta be such a nazi about it.

[@CarlosRamirez-ns7qw]

@@viktorg6823 He believed in his people... A joke.

[@johnfike160]

Definition of a good drummer: Starts the gig on time and is reasonably sober

[@Philosoph.official]

Ha! Good one!

[@smokeybluntzzz246]

Definition of a great drummer: Starts the gig early and already fucked up!

[@jasonhawkins8022]

Completely sober or your ass is fired!

[@5pacebread92]

good thing im not 21

[@ggaiakiei]

Reasonably lmao

[@b.b.cgaming2395]

The “hardest part” in the movie was when he went on his huge drum solo, not when he transitioned into Caravan. Caravan is just a normal piece that he knew. Also when he was learning the piece I don’t think the frustration and harm came from the piece itself and the double time. It came from the insane teachings from his mentor. His desire to learn this piece as fast, and perfect as possible made Caravan look harder than it actually is to play

[@NatanSupel]

Exactly. But anyway we MUST appreciate the drummer for this solo, snare accel. and generally the music mood he made out of this tune. Does anyone actually know who really played drums in original caravan?

[@darkresc]

@@NatanSupel The actual drummer was Bernie Dresel.

[@SmokinRoach]

2:17 “god i love mombos” he said, convincingly

[@alejoromero]

"mAmbos"

[@SmokinRoach]

@@alejoromero thx thought it looked weird when I typed it

[@speed_y4263]

You can tell he loves everything

[@isard7833]

@@speed_y4263 these comments made my night xDDDDDDD

[@mikewatson1675]

My floormat has more personality than he does lol

[@jp003456]

I am no musician nor a "audiophile", heck I couldn't even notice or understand more than half of the examples. But what blows my mind is the just amazing level of complexity that humans can achieve. It's just stunning.

[@8020drummer]

"If I sent you into the woods with a pocket knife, how long until you could invent an iphone?" -Joe Rogan

[@LonnieDavisMusic]

Love the video, but Caravan was not performed by a "decent high school band". The drum part itself was performed by one of the best big band drummers in LA, and the rest of the group was also professionally contracted.

[@11713spartan]

That's is true. My school's private trumpet instructor was in that band, next to other great players. 👌🏽

[@mikebarnes7441]

Mu high school jazz band did play caravan.

[@palap8]

My elementary school actually played caravan

[@hail_sagan2830]

pablo palafox my preschool band played caravan

[@MrDrewboggess]

I came out of my mother playing Caravan.

[@Jokerijamis]

Hey, we're talking about jazz drums. It can always get more difficult.

[@brandoncrimmins6296]

Of this I am sure...

[@tarnopol]

I know: I'm just trying to be a good rock or funky rock drummer! Self-taught, so you do the math, but what I can do, I love, and I learn as I go. :)

[@jackmcwilliam7541]

The hardest drum song is clearly boulevard of broken dreams lmao

[@simonbiegler8768]

ay that was my first song on drums ^^

[@joacimoksanen1391]

Naaah, don’t know about you but I’m struggling with back in black soooo

[@blyeguffey7387]

But seven nation army.

[@kaikinsley9959]

But do I wanna know

[@sammyaxel]

*cough* We Will Rock You *cough*

[@bowietwombly5951]

No one said they played caravan because it is the hardest piece. No one said the movie was supposed to be a representation of real life jazz playing. The story of the movie is an exploration of the push for perfection when people are willing to put it before everything else to destructive results. It just so happens to take shape in the form of a jazz band, but that is honestly unimportant. It could have been an ice statue sculptor or a professional Donkey Kong player. I've played percussion in jazz bands, classical ensembles and metal bands and let me tell you that a movie that was focused on being accurate to showing what any of those experiences was like would be terrible. In addition to music, I'm also a huge history nerd, and to jazz musicians bitter about a movie that the vast majority of the public will have as their only frame of reference for something you have spent years of your life on woefully misrepresenting that thing to the public may I say: Welcome to the club. At least the movie everyone associates with your thing is actually good. I've spent most of my life seething about historical films getting basically everything wrong, but honestly it doesn't matter 90% of the time. This movie was probably a lot of people's introduction to jazz and while it might totally misrepresent what it's like in reality, it probably got a lot of people interested to learn more, and that's wonderful. And again, at the end of the day, what it gets wrong it does so for the sake of telling a good story and being an excellent movie first and foremost.

[@BHRamsay]

The two things I find incredibly consistent with pro musicians talking about Whiplash is a public domain contempt for the movie as being not representative of their experience learning and playing music and a string of privately shared stories that reveal theres a Terence Fletcher in practically every music school and an Andrew Neiman playing in practically every band. They're caricatures with traits turned up to eleven. My singing teacher didn't curse or berated me but he did throw pencils and occasionally insulted us when we were particularly dense and nobody I know punched their way through a drum kit but Im not the only one who hurled charts across rooms in frustration many times so I can sympathize with Andrew's anxiety and raising stress. I didn't like Whiplash because it reminded me of EVERYTHING about music but it reminded me of certain people I've met because of my personal love of music and that made Andrew and Fletcher's conflict resonate with me

[@sunnibird]

Adam Neely called it a sports movie in his vid breaking it down. I'd have to agree. It's grossly inaccurate as far as high end jazz schools and bands go. It's silly. I don't exactly see that inspiring many people to get into jazz :D

[@_TheZipper_]

I appreciate what you said. I feel like nowadays people can't appreciate a movie unless every little thing is perfect. Like you, I hate when people just view a movie and disregard any message it had. This video felt so pretentious to me because this guy looks at this movie as if it was trying to say that Whiplash was intended to show how jazz works. That's not the point of the goddamn movie. Movies, like fine literature, have many layers and use many different aspects to appeal to wide audiences while also including important underlying themes for the viewer to think about. Being a musician doesn't mean you can't enjoy something like this. Why can't we, as a culture, just stop complaining about everything? I know I sound hypocritical here, but it's just ridiculous. No one can sit down and just enjoy something - there always has to be something wrong with it.

[@ThePROFESS10NAL]

No the movie was about rising to the occasion.

[@JohnSmith-oe5kx]

God, thank you for taking a cinematic approach to the FILM Whiplash rather than a purely musical one. I am something of a music snob myself, but my instrument is the piano. So when watching Shine, did I roll my eyes a bit at the suggestion that Rach 3 is the hardest piece in the universe? Of course. Did I notice that Helfgott is in fact not a particularly good pianist (by the standards of professional concert musicians)? Of course. Do I use that as a basis to shit all over the movie and ignore everything it is really about? Not in public, because that would make me a jerk.

[@georgeyanok3095]

Dave, you're a terrific teacher. I've been playing drums for70 years. If only I could have met you then and gotten some lessons. I love Brazilian licks but I've fallend down and hurt myself almost every time I've tried to learn them the 'right' way...

[@robertalbiston7822]

Been playin’ the same kit just 59 years, so did Caravan in high school. Signed on for the solo course because Nate has been doin’ this while I was in another career. I know things, he knows other things.

[@safapresley]

I give this video a 9/8

[@АнтонКузнецов-и8ю]

4/8 + 5/8 or 3/8+3/8+3/8?

[@RomanNewhouse]

Lmao the song whiplash in the movie was 14/8

[@GhostOfLorelei]

@@АнтонКузнецов-и8ю 4/4 + 4/4 + 1/4 0_0

[@kekleon-Gamer]

Blue Rondo?

[@SkateSka]

@@GhostOfLorelei I like 3+2+4 if that makes sense.

[@vatorres01]

By far, the best/most entertaining drum channel for us drum nerds out there. I'm always hyped when I see that facebook timeline update. Keep up the good work, Nate!

[@spartanward8429]

I can't get past that you look like an Oblivion NPC 😂

[@iownu92]

It’s the unchanging expression

[@thisisfrankie]

😂😂😂

[@phillipisayev1273]

And talks like an NPC 😂

[@GermanischeTutorials]

Oh damn yes

[@AvatarOfGames]

Then play with your drums!

[@Christopher-md7tf]

Well you gotta keep in mind that Miles Teller was pretty much a self-taught basic rock/pop drummer before Whiplash and only had a few months to get into Jazz drumming, so of course they couldn't get into insanely difficult stuff. That being considered, I find his performance really impressive.

[@rmch4070]

I think most of the drumming was recorded by a jazz band, miles just pretended to play.

[@zacharywilliams2]

Miles didn't do the drumming in the movie. He only acted it out. They had another drummer record the part. He did have to learn jazz in like 2 or 3 months though, so that was pretty good.

[@probablyegg9427]

Miles did a bunch of the drumming in the film. However, they did have another drummer fill in for the parts he couldn't do. Some drums parts do not line up with the audio as a result, and that is also why there is a lot of jumpcuts.

[@HiFisch94]

It was played by a drummer named Peter Erskine (I hope I wrote his name right). He's one of the most established/best known jazz/Session drummers and had decades of experience with jazz

[@Christopher-md7tf]

Just to clarify, I wasn't arguing that Miles recorded the soundtrack. Still, he had a lot to learn in a very short time if the movie was going to look somewhat realistic. And I think he did a great job.

[@zorland876]

“This is how a real big band would play it” *shows fusion group playing at accelerated tempo and sounding kind of jarring* Wonder why they didn’t take that angle.

[@Biporian]

Rodney Razorshorts Not jarring start all

[@Cartmanisntfat1]

im late but thats not a fusion band, thats the best jazz school in the country lmao thats what jazz school sounds like baby

[@zorland876]

@@Cartmanisntfat1 Not discounting their ability at all, but that is certainly not an orthodox interpretation of the song. Dude is just making stuff up.

[@Cartmanisntfat1]

@@zorland876 oh lol they arent playing caravan he just meant thats the level of virtuosity that the top schools play songs at

[@zorland876]

@@Cartmanisntfat1 You're right, but he's still comparing a traditional big band arrangement to a modern fusion piece with lots of rock and funks underpinnings, and saying that the former not sounding like the latter is some sort of valid criticism. Complete nunce.

[@CarlosHenriqueRebelo]

Good Morning. I am a Brazilian guitarist and I want to compliment your channel, because I consider it a music class, besides presenting me so many musicians and songs. Congratulations for the quality work.

[@GediSpock]

Depends a lot on the audience. If you’re playing to a room full of drummers. Or musicians. Difficulty will be expected. It’s harder to amaze people who know exactly what you are doing. Or supposed to be doing. But it all depends on who the audience is that you are connecting to. People who just want to dance don’t want complexity. For complexities sake. They just want to dance. Big band depends on the setting and the audience. You either play a set list of songs. To a seated audience in a theatre. And don’t deviate from the list. Or you read the room like Ray Charles. Shout out song numbers as they feel appropriate. Like a DJ. Which is a skill in itself. But that requires the band to know about 5 times more songs than the set lasts for. Anyway. That’s just some musings loosely connected to something you said. 🤔 👊😂

[@ericmyrs]

"People who just want to dance don’t want complexity. For complexities sake. " Sometimes they do though, and that is fun. It's too easy they said. So we broke out Take Five, and a couple of couples got on the floor and nailed it.

[@artysanmobile]

GediSpock Why ‘amaze’ your audience at all? Chances are they didn’t come for that.

[@Sticks1680]

Dj?. Skill?. Oh for fuck sakes.

[@No-pm4ss]

By no means am I a drummer, but I don't really like the almost condescending tone to this movie. The race for virtuosity and crazier time signatures kind of removes the reason we got into music in the first place. Caravan is a damn good tune, and I found the movie fascinating.

[@АнтонКузнецов-и8ю]

That's the problem with movies about music or science. Viewers can't get the feeling unless they have a related experience. So script-writers have to change the main idea with something more familiar to auditory (sport-like competition "who's stronger"). Can't blame thrm though. If a person have never played an instrument he wouldn't understand a 'realistic' movie, which would be interesting to specific group of people only (musicians). And movies must make money

[@timandshannon03]

Agreed, but I'm a drummer for nearly 30 years and I started in 5th grade, and in High School we had one teacher who was a complete Jagoff, who had won dozens of music awards across California, and he did it through intimidation. Students were scared of him, and it sucked the fun right out of the music, luckily I only had him for like 4 months in 9th grade and he got a job in another district where he became music director for another district. But he wasn't as bad as the film, but there were chalk and erasers thrown, and definitely yelling, on a few occasions he would take a students instrument and "Show" them how to properly play the part...............

[@ATthemusician]

Music needs to be more thoroughly taught in schools. There are way too many people that genuinely have a hard time counting 4/4 quarter notes. It's pathetic. music, or at least rhythm, is basically a human instinct. That's what you get when a majority of the population only cares about what new song is trending on KZbin that week I guess.

[@peen2804]

@@ATthemusician what's it like being that pretentious

[@ATthemusician]

@@peen2804 what's it like not being able to clap your hands in 4/4?

[@detonator2274]

I think Whiplash is not just a "drummer" movie. Actually, it could be any music instrument. There's a lot of elements such as obsession, success, need for approval, borderline or lunacy related to the artist that are more relevant (remember Black Swan). The fact that the performance of Caravan on the movie turns out in a discussion like this, shows that is a really good movie.

[@looseele]

yes, but can you play "smoke on the water"?

[@brantleydavis1560]

lmao that's the first song I ever played on set (:

[@lanceschaina3084]

kzbin.info/www/bejne/hn22np1vfJWWe5I Listen to the words.

[@TheCabbageMan]

Someone get rudy adobe in here

[@eddybraun5444]

I started playing percussion when I was in 7th grade in my school band. 8th grade I was in jazz band, and we played Sing Sing Sing, and during the last floor tom section the lights went out over the stage, and we all kept it together and it was the most exhilarating experience I could’ve asked for. Now I’m in a hardcore punk band and that feeling is one of the biggest sources of just pure satisfaction in my life

[@nick14braun14]

No emotion on face: God i love the mambo.

[@josh36047]

Charli Antolinis “caravan” rendition is by far my fav. He lays down a killer groove, with also an amazing solo, and even when it’s just him playing you can see the enjoyment of those around him, like the aforementioned flow state.

[@TomGillardMusic]

josh36047 Agree 100%!! It never seems to get mentioned but it’s insane 🔥🔥

[@belacickekl7579]

Have you ever heard Brian setzer's version?

[@Rockin_Ross]

Played drums with a jazz choir for a series of shows and they did Birdland. Threw me for a loop when I first heard it and as a drummer, I didn’t know how I was going to pull it off. The bass player I recruited to be their “pit band” was just as challenged. But together, we got to that “flow state” and the shows went great. That song pulled me out of my comfort zone and got me to search my drumming toolbox for skills I hadn’t used in a very long time. Felt good. Great video, brother!

[@finnwest6723]

This is very interesting. You should make a video about which genre of music is the most difficult to play on drums and what makes each genre difficult. I understand that is basically an impossible question to answer and its all subjective to each person individually (well that's my take on it) but id love to see your take on it. Lets just hope jazz elitists don't hate it... Still great job as usual Nate

[@stevechrollo8074]

Finn West Drum Corps Rudimental is the hardest to play

[@TheSquareOnes]

There can't be such a thing as a "most difficult genre" since anyone can add a new song to any genre that fits enough of the stylistic traits to undeniably fall within it while also being absurdly difficult to the point of being nearly impossible to perform. You can look at "average difficulty" for a rough idea of how much work it would probably be for someone to become well versed in a genre and sure drum corps drumming is going to be significantly more technical in general than bluegrass, but drum corps music for absolute beginners obviously exists and there is nothing stopping anyone from writing a legitimate bluegrass tune in a mix of irrational meters like 15/28 and 31/40 that would make even the most proficient drummer question their ability to perform it accurately. But that being said, djent is obviously the correct answer. Because it djents.

[@toothpastehombre]

Man I hope your channel gains more traction. Your research, perspectives and input on not only musical analysis but philosophical reflections is damn solid. I've posted this before, but I'm not even a drummer, and I thoroughly enjoy your content

[@samholtmeyer1284]

I just started playing jazz drums for my high school jazz combo a few months back and they want to play Caravan. It took me so long to get that samba in the pocket lol

[@guts2112]

I’m very early in my drumming journey. Really glad I found your channel.

[@mikerobo2112]

Go hard mate. Have fun is the main thing.

[@ramstrom6399]

I thought the movie was pretty unique and fascinating. But then again I play guitar

[@BankruptGreek]

xD this

[@philosophyman]

It was. Jazz players are just snobby and think that just because it wasnt perfectly accurate it was torn to pieces by drummers.

[@Sammyjeans1]

The word unique can't be modified. Nothing can be pretty one of a kind.

[@martinlowes7914]

@@Sammyjeans1 Two of a kind?

[@archiethedrumma]

dude I love your content! Love the references to tunes that I've never heard of, so here comes the new inspiration. Thank you!

[@anthonydemayo9367]

Caravan is not even remotely the most difficult composition for a professional drummer. Of course there may be arrangements that present more of challenge, but that being said it is only a matter of grasping the chart's nuances ahead of time.

[@Oblisful]

Well since I started playing drums a year ago, every lesson and every new thing is something that was really hard when i started, a challenge, and then you make it possible. Then the teacher, shadows your success with something harder, yet you succeed again. And you go on and on in the beautiful trip.

[@kenhbradshaw]

We played it in high school. The drummer swung it with a cha cha pattern on the tom. We're talking mid 60s

[@blapis89]

Loved the video, as usual.This is one of my favourites educational drum channels in KZbin, thank you very much!!

[@Abattoir3ach]

Snarky Puppy - We Like it Here

[@kevinconnor6035]

People keep recommending that band to me, and I just can't bring myself to give them a fair shake because I hate, hate, hate that band name so much. Something about it just grates on my ears.

[@markfulwider9852]

I loved it. The way I have approached "time in time" or "time against time", is limiting in one way but liberating in another. Take 4 and 5 both landing on the one. I choose the signature on my base or hi hat and sing the other. Then I let the muscle memory of 3,5 7, whatever live in my hands. I try to create emotion, the "tension and resolve" by playing my free limbs as if I am crying with a Sax. Or whatever. So, practice with you head and play with your heart. Muscle memory is your friend and your enemy. SO I push to learn and keep an uncomfortable edge. .... I like the things you say and they inspired me to right to you. THanks so much.

[@BumKnuckle]

I once nailed Wipeout while chewing gum. 💪

[@BumKnuckle]

@@bluchicken_995 ha ha.. ya got me 😜

[@DanKop2]

So hard...

[@distantlands]

i’m not a drummer. for some reason this video popped up. I will say this though, as a former award winning presenter at CNN, Nate you’re an excellent presenter. Outstanding timing, voice and clarity. bravo!!!

[@howtoteachscience]

Difficulty seems to be when you're trying to play something outside what you are normally playing and at the edge of your ability.

[@ew1698]

I don't play drums, but I couldn't stop watching. Very interesting. I always thought jazz was just noise, but clearly it's very orderly.

[@pinzinkinzin4066]

That’s like saying math is just numbers

[@BIGBIRD208]

The Caravan arrangement in Whiplash is amazing!

[@OwenAdamsMusic]

Great point about "setting up" the kicks and accents instead of only playing on them - that shows the drummer really knows the song! I ran into Dennis Chambers on a flight to Baltimore one time, he says it like this: "Just play the MUSIC," in other words, memorize the rhythms, accents, form instead of over-playing a bunch of unnecessary flashy stuff.

[@congus7646]

That was my first song in jazz, I have done way harder songs and I’ve competed with harder songs, Caravan though is one of the most fun songs to play

[@txikitofandango]

Your prose is really clear and accurate and paints a nice picture. You’re a good-ass writer bro

[@taunokekkonen5733]

You know you're jazz when you say 'tune' instead of 'song'.

[@shadowfall2011]

Dude right when I was about to get bored and click off the video. I realized I had watched the whole thing! I intended to scrub through and just leave. Stayed for the whole video. Wonderfully done man!

[@chrisduffy2737]

I was into jazz. Philly Joe was my idol. Coordinated independence my mantra. I lived in Manhattan. A couple of guitar-playing kids from Long Island advertised for a drummer in a trade rag. I applied. We had a couple rehearsals out there then went to a bar for an audition. Played "Wipe Out", a rock song I'd never heard 'cause I was listening to Miles, Coltrane, Brubeck, so i played it straight back-beat snare plus ride cymbal. Nobody at the bar listened. A week later one of the guitar kids (who also played drums - surprise!) showed me how the drum part went. And that was the end of that!

[@BigFatCock0]

This is like reading from Rorschach's journal if he were a drummer.

[@geol1936]

@@BigFatCock0 Or read.profile names. 🤣

[@kurtcameron7562]

I love watching your videos to remind myself how much I have to learn

[@cjzimbo]

This was such good analysis man. I couldn’t care less about whether the film “got it right” or not and I get the sense you couldn’t care less either-this is top quality, expert-level analysis. You used the film to teach super important concepts. This is the first video I’ve seen of yours. Hard subscribe!

[@ryankosiarek4169]

I like how you also played the drum part for the lofi intro Good job

[@fernandorivera5115]

Napoleon Dynamite teaches drum lessons 😂😂. Still can't descipher what kept me glued to this.

[@marinocci]

Glad this popped up in my recommendations, subscribed right away! I’ve been practicing jazz more and more frequently, drawing a lot of inspiration from Tigran’s music (also the older albums, like Red Hail), also Avishai Cohen (the bass player). Thanks for taking the time to shed a light on jazz drumming, this really helps!

[@desmondbarrett3575]

Marino Rottier you already may know, but Art Blakey, Elvin Jones, Nate Smith, and a little Tony Williams. will go a long way

[@marinocci]

@@desmondbarrett3575 Thanks! I've spent a lot of time listening to most of them lately. Don't really know the other Nate, I think I saw him doing stuff with Vulfpeck? What would you recommend?

[@dravendfr]

Thanks, now I have more music to enjoy because you’ve expanded my knowledge of artists and songs.

[@colinellesmere]

I'm not a drummer. That was a music education for me. A lot I didn't understand. Very informed and thought provoking. For you real drummers I am sure some comments for you to aspire towards.

[@Jake-vy2bh]

Is Caravan the hardest song to play on drums? Tomas Haake: Hold My Beer

[@alrecks619]

to be fair, Tomas' pattern is rather rudimentary if you get the concept of Jazz, especially polymeter his execution, however gotta not get carpal tunnel repeating all those parts at extreme speed & intensity

[@Dad.................]

Morgan Ågren: Hold my Tomas Haake ;)

[@Xogroroth666]

OH, nice bass kick sound! Love the deepness.

[@jimmyeleven11]

damn it, your video looks like Sheldon Cooper Fun with Flags. hahaha you earned mine subscribes.

[@redstar7311]

I like your videos because you are showing the inner depths of the thoughtful drummers mind.

[@dreadnyan]

When i was a younger drummer in a heavy band - We managed to get into that "flow state" a few times during our attempt to play Tool - The Pot. Some crazy fast fills for me at the time, and the energy in the rehearsal room was insane when we finally nailed the song from start to end. Great video.

[@aavila1206]

Danny is a great drummer but Tool isn't very heavy

[@marionotarangelo6856]

Last week I was playing guitar in a percussion ensemble music competition with three rounds. There were two sections in a roughly seven minute long show where I had the lead part. After rewatching the videos and listening to how I played, my performance for the Semi-finals run was extremely clean for the hardest section of the show, but my performance was totally lacking energy. On finals night, the section was slightly dirty but it felt way better and my performance was wayyyyyy better 😂 I think for finals night I was able to find that “flow-state” you we’re talking about

[@SnusKing]

Caravan: *exists* Bleed: *im gonna end this mans career*

[@TheBlueGoldenHawk]

I'm tired of music snobs nitpicking at Whiplash for petty reasons. It's one of my favorite movies and inspired me to learn drumming in the first place. It showed me how cool jazz drumming could be. I knew it wasn't a real-life representation of being a musician. It's a dramatized movie, after all. However, that tension makes it like a really interesting dramatic thriller. Plus, the director Damien Chazelle used to be a jazz drummer and based the film on his own experiences with his college band instructor. Anyway, they only had 19 days to shoot it with a relatively amateur drummer in Miles Teller, so of course not all of the drumming will sync up perfectly. Who cares? It's not a music video. Surprised you're making a video on the movie like 5 yrs after it came out

[@LoganEllisSheppard]

Hardest thing I’ve ever played and the most rewarding

[@b.b.cgaming2395]

It’s also another thing too that I really hate about other musicians tearing apart this movie. This isn’t a documentary about jazz ensembles. In that case it would probably be right to criticize if they didn’t nail every detail. It’s a cinematic movie though, and it is in no relations to a documentary. It was made to entertain a large audience, not just musicians

[@FordyHunt]

This was extremely interesting and educational. Still a good movie though 😊

[@theopinson3851]

Cool video! Loving the Tigran tunes. Reminds me of Meshuggah. ;)

[@sergeantslowpoke1550]

6:47 BUT DOES IT DJE- wait wrong channel

[@michelegiannotti]

Ahahahahahahah

[@mzucchelli]

I absolutely LOVED this video and how difficulty is deconstructed, and agree 100% with it. The examples are pretty neat, too. To add one, Anthony Brancati's Neo-Funk video is a great example of musicians having fun while playing something challenging. That said, as a total beginner with no talent what so ever, I can say that Caravan was a great pick for the movie. It is entertaining to hear for non-drummers, and sounds hard enough for audiences to believe it is more challenging than it really is.

[@mak8836]

It is all pretty complicated but also sounds like shit at the same time. Amazing.

[@RoIIingStoned]

That’s jazz

[@mak8836]

@@RoIIingStoned Ah ok. Now it sounds much better, thank you.

[@RoIIingStoned]

ma k yea you have to have an air of superiority and like inhaling your own farts to like it

[@Cypeq]

breaking news: some people don't like particular genre of music, up next, water is wet still.

[@martinlowes7914]

@@Cypeq unless it's ice...

[@karlrovey]

I can't speak for set players, but as a trumpeter, I have a love-hate relationship with Gordan Goodwin pieces. They're fun to play once you have all the licks down, but they're incredibly frustrating while you're learning it. On the more classical side (speaking as an organist now), working out and learning fingering for Bach is difficult but also incredibly rewarding.

[@alanduncan1980]

Every time the title of a video is a question I feel I should answer it in the comment without even watching the video. The answer is No. Thank you. I hope I helped.

[@envueltoenplastico]

Betteridge's Law

[@andrew_owens7680]

Definitely synchronicity! I just listened to Cat's Cradle on audiobook. I-Nine baby!!!

[@Diesel_Budgie]

Yeah, I would love to see what you think of Clockworks by Meshuggah :)

[@thomaswilliams3435]

love the channel, love the video. And also love the fact you could be a lost Thom Yorke brother (so fascinating)

[@SQUIRTGANG]

"St Alfonzo's Pancake Breakfast" - Frank Zappa

[@ickysticky3672]

The great Jim Gordon throwing heat the entire suite.

[@montrealcanadiensuck]

Jimmy "🔨" Gordon

[@neilsucks]

Haha, I was just about to comment and suggest this song!!! I just decided to scroll down first to see what others were suggesting. Too funny

[@DrinkWater713]

I try to like Frank Zappa, but it's so moronic He enjoys being a clown too much

[@montrealcanadiensuck]

@@DrinkWater713 search br1tag and listen to any of the "solo" compilations. Halloween 77 and the Roxy highly preferred. He is wacky but the music stands alone! Especially his guitarwork and orchestration - it's like the best jam band of all time for 15 years straight

[@freshpootube]

"God I love Mambos" has to be one of your funniest, animatronic moments I've seen yet.

[@jughead18sp]

you know whats harder? looking at the camera

[@thegiantratthatmakesalloft9415]

😂😂😂 LMAOO TRUEEE!! 😂😂😂

[@Joansinache]

Despite knowing caravan is hard or not this video made want to explore lots of tracks with experimetal odd time signatures A surprise, but a welcome one

[@Basty71637]

I don’t care about caravan. I want the title of the first song you’re playing with!!!! 🤙🏻

[@johncollins5552]

I had a fun time playing a 2 hour set with a duo and all I had to go on was 2songs on KZbin and a 15 minute talk at soundcheck. Two dudes sang an hour each of original songs and played acoustic, one of them played uileann pipes, kinda like Scottish bagpipes and he played/composed movie soundtrack for Master and Commander. Cool, he told me one tune was in 6/8 and could I play it, I did but I had a different feel, anyway it was seat of the pants stuff, but your are right, the Flow State is Crucial, play loose, relax and Listen!

[@leocomerford]

While you're at it, how does "The Black Page" compare nowadays? It's probably still one of the things most widely known as a "flex tune" for drums.

[@8020drummer]

It's still a Rough One - and you're correct. Reason I didn't bring Zappa into this lesson was that I wanted to feature music that was *somewhat* related to the "jazz" in The Movie

[@SAHBfan]

@@8020drummer - I went to a jazz open mic night a few years ago hoping to play and put my name down on the list to sit in on drums. A young girl of about 13 got up and played the black page. I crossed my name out and left...

[@mikuspalmis]

@@SAHBfan Lol

[@itraindogs9375]

Well now I’m a new subscriber. Great stuff man

[@Mettyunuabona_]

“Sees guitarist play guitar” Ah, I know what you mean from flex tune just from that😂

[@jordanreichman6560]

Great summary on the challenges certain tunes can bring. Apologies if I missed it, but I didn’t hear any comment on how a complicated harmonic structure can make it very easy to get lost...especially for the drummer. A good example is a tune like “Falling Grace” written by Steve Swallow.

[@hombreenojado]

Dood. The whistling TOTALLY brings the whole thing together! Lol.

[@MrBaskevin]

Always great content. Im a bass player that used to play the drums as a kid. A part of me wanna go back in to drumming. But I am not sure where to start. Any way enjoy your videos. Keep em comming.

[@mick_hyde]

I thought this was going to be Caravan by Rush 😮

[@houseof192]

The time where I had to play a challenge piece of music is when I had to play Tank! From cowboy bebop. The initial tune was not hard but what threw me off is that the band had to play it slower this meant that on the first day of me playing tank, I had to completely change what I was play. When I first learnt it I played a similar tune to caravan but with 1/4 notes on the hh and ride. But because of how slow it was, the band leader told me to play 1/8 notes instead while keeping the BD and snare the same. I got it in the end but my God that initial change threw me off.

[@4wardnthought234]

All art is meant to express thoughts/feeling to others - in a sense to share with the listeners. If a speaker made a statement, yet he used elaborate, lofty vocabulary because his intention was more about showing off his vocabulary than on expressing a thought/feeling, it shows. It's pedantic and pretentious. So while it may be advanced in technicality, it is lacking in genuine content.

[@blahpunk1]

Thanks for turning me on to all the cool music. I played in a big band for a while but we didn't get much past "String of Pearls". :-)

[@samgodzwa7927]

Me: *Reads video title* Also me: “No”

[@terrystowers6085]

Great video! I just subscribed! I was hooked at “I love Mambos” 🤣

[@geddy1972]

I thought this was going to be about the Rush track called caravan.

[@CaliforniaBushman]

Tale of Daring, and Got a Match - Chick Corea Electrik Band. Probably the toughest tunes I ever worked on. And that was back in 1990/91 when slow it down software wasn't invented yet. Just endless transcription tedium. Which I don't miss. But I do miss the feeling of accomplishment with nailing a tune I put a lot of work into. To make up for it, I became a really good improvisor in 4/4 in all styles, - which pays the bills.

[@ad9898]

Vinnie Colaiuta - hold my beer. 😊

[@diegogolfhotel]

Big respect for pointing out Irakere. Much love

[@alio2269]

Looking at just a picture of you i was totally expecting a deep voiced English guy from the north

[@Aio-Project]

great vid dude keep up the esoteric rants on the side im not a drummer so i live for these

[@swaggyp1219]

Me: Trys playing a snarky puppy tune. 😐😶 Instantly humbled

[@elingaudovie8619]

Cool. Drums are really nice. :)