❓Is Company of Heroes 3 Steam review score deserved? Latest RTS gameplay and impressions

[@perafilozof]

Let me know what you think of CoH3 and which is your favorite Company of Heroes game.

[@2yu556]

The store got as much negativity as it did for three key reasons: The first is that the game is a full priced release and people by in large are just sick of nickel and diming mechanics being in fully priced releases. The general opinion is that cosmetic purchases are really only acceptable if a game is free to play. The second is that the actual purchases split up skins between individual units, and you can't even get a complete set of all of your units with the same overall skins; forcing users to buy a bunch of individual packs and still get mis-matched armies. The third reason is probably the most critical though. After one month of player feedback being largely negative, the big major update that was touted as addressing player feedback.... added a microtransaction store as the big part of that update. It comes across as insanely tone deaf and greedy.

[@perafilozof]

Yeah, I totally get that part. And I understand the point about adding in the Store as a player feedback content update, cruel. But I must say I still don't know what about the skins themselves would be a problem to anyone who simply doesn't care about skins. They don't change the gameplay which is the main idea. Making those who do pay, pay a lot more, is not right or fair. But I also don't think that is a big issues for the rest of the players, just those who really want skins.

[@kakky200]

Because the people who play a ww2 game want see historical accurate content not toy soldiers with unhistorical skins that is the fact, and the first thing they must to do is finish the game.

[@zbigniew2628]

It was during work of Steve Mele - Executive Producer... He was fired somewhat later and since then Relic was makking more sense in their work... After Sega left them alone, they seems to be even better, but had to drop console version, due to lack of tools and people from Sega. 16.07 is going to give us another update, so who knows how less bad is going to be.... I can say, that even now it is quite good, but I love Relic Design RTS and was hungry of them after DOW:Soulstorm.

[@perafilozof]

I see. Thank you for sharing your info and talking about these issues. Do you play the game actively yourself?

[@zbigniew2628]

@@perafilozof Probably you already know the answer, coz I commented it all over the place ;) Yes, I play mostly 1v1, almost from day1. At start I was playing team games, but it is way better experience, when you know how to play and do 1v1. Some people say, that 2v2 are better. 3v3 and 4v4 feel like for people who do not know what to do or want to do meme builds or smash things together. A game like this with abilities and different units compositions do not work in a large scale.

[@WilsonThaHead]

This is the same thing they did with Command & Conquer, "We made Good Money, but we didnt make All The Money" and there goes the games we all love

[@perafilozof]

Correct my friend. Thank you for the comment. These publishers and mega corporations are a cancer of the gaming industry that keeps getting fatter and fatter of our wallets.

[@marekkos3513]

yesssss

[@misterchoc2893]

Imagine crying about coh3 skins and dont remember that coh2 was p2w for first 3 years

[@perafilozof]

We all hope each time things will be better. In some areas they are others not. I for one think cosmetics micro transactions are an ok way to earn more money and not mess up gameplay. CoH2 and its rocky start is a story of it's own. Thank you for the comment! Are you playing the 3rd game?

[@misterchoc2893]

@@perafilozof I will support coh3 in same way i support coh2 from launch.

[@scorpiontdalpha9799]

Doesn't seem that the devs learnt from their mistakes.

[@misterchoc2893]

@@scorpiontdalpha9799 yes but frankly there is no other product like this so if we want that kind of gameplay we need support coh3 even its not exaclty what we want it, that's my opinion.

[@perafilozof]

Thank you for sharing!

[@diego2817]

Coh3 is great at this point, there are many coh2 haters ( Ihave 1.3k hours in coh2) coh 3 game play is superior and fun the only down side is it's camapign... Multiplayer wise it is rhe best coh, for single player coh1 is still superior

[@perafilozof]

What do you think makes the biggest different in MP for you?

[@ManOwaRR1]

i tottally agree to that , coh3 mp is miles ahead .

[@perafilozof]

@@ManOwaRR1 What makes you say that? What did it improve over CoH2 the most?

[@diego2817]

@@perafilozof - The game is more fluid and stable, no FPS drops and it knows how to use multi core. - auto vaulting - Tanks can carry squads - weapon towing, you can relocate your static weapons ( like flak 88) -Night maps (COH 2 only have day maps) -Dak faction is very unique and very different from other factions. -dynamic squads( US elite squad can change from bazuka to SMG on the go) - in a full 4v4 late game you don't have slowness and game shutter anymore. - Heigh mechanic, units that are on higher position has extra accuracy adding more deep to the game play - Battlegroupa is the right fusion of coh1 doctrine with coh2 commanders This and other things make the multiplayer fun, now light vehicles play a bigger role in the game, in coh2 light vehicles were useless and people skip them, that was a major flaw on game play. There are points still were coh2 is superior and those are: - Sound, coh2 sound still on top - VFX some of the explosion and effects are still superior on coh2, coh3 patches are improving though -there are some animation missing on Coh3 or not yet implemented like tanks bouncing after a heavy shoot But overall, I found the game play for 1v1, 2v2 more fun in coh3 What needs to be improve : -campaign -add maps with rain, fog, thunderstorm and snow ( like coh1) - improve sound effects -improve animations and some vFX

[@ManOwaRR1]

@@perafilozofeverything is improved , great tanks battles , way more dynamic gameplay and much better responsiveness than the clunky coh2 , and the game is faster than the snore festival that is coh2 and let's not to speak about loadout that are in coh2 which are laughable in a sad way for a competitive rts game , like i said coh3 is miles ahead in the multiplayer department.

[@aljavier357]

Personally, I'm interested in CoH3, but I'm still waiting for mod support. Right now CoH2 custom games with friends is such a blast that I can't imagine removing workshop support it.

[@perafilozof]

Hi and thanks for sharing. I am glad to know people are still hopeful about the game and franchise. CoH is a very hard bar to skip.

[@sinisterisrandom8537]

You'll be waiting for years cause COH2 doesn't even have proper mod support. Cause Relic too greedy. Cause they disabled it during the early years of release. We know this thanks to early videos.

[@aljavier357]

@@sinisterisrandom8537 I've actually played CoH3 with some workshop mods for roughly 30 hours. But it's still too unstable and prone to crashing. I also share a similar sentiment regarding Relic's monetization practices with the CoH2 doctrines and skins; Luckily I like to keep my skins on default anyway.

[@Brevard1986]

I played it during the free weekend after not touching it due to the early reviews. It's the weakest of the 3 games but not by miles. I enjoyed it and purchased it at the discounted price of £21.99 which I feel is definitely worth it now after completely the Italian SP. I predominantly play SP. It is quite apparent to me the updates they have made since launch has likely really improved the game considerably. Pros: - The dynamic campaign map is a great evolution of Relics pass overworld campaign maps (DoW Dark Crusade) - The gameplay and controls are strong and still keeps much of the CoH series feel - The use of external actors to influence in battle/in mission gameplay really gives a great deal of flexibility - There's a ton of modes pour many hours into and enjoy - The "unit history" approach is fantastic way of having the player connect with their units/companies Cons: - Although there are tailored missions during the dynamic campaign, none felt as dramatic or impactful as CoH1 (to be fair, there's only a few from CoH2 that compares too) - Lack of actual variety in maps during skirmishes is pretty bad - Although there's plenty of things to do during the campaign, a number of it appears quite superfluous (emplacements for example). CoH 1 > CoH 2 > CoH3 but if you can get the Steam deal with the whole bundle where CoH3 is heavily discounted then it's worth it. If CoH1 is a 9/10, CoH 2 would be an 8 and CoH3 would be a 6 coming close to 7 if only there is a strong campaign added to it.

[@perafilozof]

Hi and thank you for sharing your thoughts and impressions of the game with us all in the comments. I am glad to know some are enjoying it, but as you said, a subpar sequel. Too soon out of the oven. Hope they can finish it and more people come back at some point. It would be a sad day to see this franchise as dead as DoW.

[@zbigniew2628]

They are still improving it and 1.70 is going to be another big one on 16.07. I gave up SP long ago, coz RTSes have weak AI. I play mostly 1v1 and COH3 is already pretty good for it, but it take way longer than one weekend to get used to it. I came to it from DOW:Soulstrom, after being hungry of a new Relic game. COH2 never grabbed my intrest and I played only a bit of COH1 in old times... way less than Dark Crusader.

[@perafilozof]

@@zbigniew2628 well it is important that you have found a way to have fun with it. Thank you for the reply

[@marekkos3513]

Im thinking to buy either Company of heroes 3 or Men of war 2 or Gates of hell.What can you recommend ?

[@perafilozof]

@@marekkos3513 uh... That is a hard call to make. Until MoW2 had an offline SP mode I wouldn't even recommend it, but now I would. I haven't played only the Gates of Hell game, but oddly enough, it is the one I would recommend out of these three as most people I talked to say that one is superior. Do note if you want to play multiplayer vs other people, check first which one has most players.

[@marekkos3513]

@@perafilozof Actually I just want to play skirmish mode vs A.I.I think I will buy COH3 right now because it on sale , and maybe later gates of hell.Men of war 2 is between COH3 and Gates of hell , and I dont like that.If I want to play arcade rts game , then I play COH3 , but for more realistic Gates of hell or Steel division

[@perafilozof]

Ok, that dole make sense! Thank you for explaining!

[@marekkos3513]

Ps.what is happening to Sanctuary open early access ? How many more years , we have to wait ?

[@eternity6350]

Slow progress. You can get a very early demo on certain Patreon levels.

[@perafilozof]

Why isn't my reply to you showing up here? Or did you ask more than once? Anyway, it is already Playable, content creators and certain levels of Patrion supporters have access

[@ares106]

4:31 company of heroes players complaining their game is too “arcadey”, that’s rich 😂

[@perafilozof]

Hi and thx for the comment. Care to elaborate a bit?

[@ares106]

@@perafilozof the whole COH series has been arcadey from the start. That’s not to say it’s bad, if I want to mess around I play some COH, but when I want a more serious WW2 simulator I play something like the combat mission games.

[@perafilozof]

Oh that part. That's ok, I know that too. It just deepens on each players experience with similar games. Not all play Man of War or Combat Mission or others that aren't CoH.

[@seventucker3232]

@@ares106 It has to do more with the visual appearance making it look completely arcadey , I still play COH3 occasionally because I like the gameplay but all my friends quit because it just wasn't appealing to them for reference think of a racing game where one uses cartoonish cars and one uses realistic cars, no added bonuses or powerups just straight racing would both games have the same target audience?

[@RobotScrambler]

Are you suggesting that WWII era tanks did not shoot at eat other from ten feet away?

[@spoophals5830]

It's not a bad game, objectively it has provided enjoyment and a fun platform for RTS with the boys. People just can't be happy with a game anymore and can't look past small things. I think COH3 is a lot friendlier for people that don't play a lot of RTS's to pick up and everyone hating on it is not going to fix anything in the game.

[@perafilozof]

Hi and thanks for sharing your thoughts and impressions of the game with us all here. I am actually happy when I see some people are enjoying it, especially with friends. The MP part of the game seems to have the most positive community around it. Have you played the previous games as well?

[@DallamDealer]

I bought the game recently and I think it's very fun. The campaigns are lackluster but the game shines in skirmishes, be it against bots or players. I don't think the game deserves a mixed rating anymore and I hope it will continue improving in the future.

[@perafilozof]

Hi and thank you kindly for sharing your impressions of the game. I do like to hear that at least some people are enjoying it. As you saw in my video, the % at that time was 30. Which isn't all that high. Hopefully the game keeps going into the right direction and next year I go back to it and find the % to be much higher. What kinds of games do you prefer to play?

[@DallamDealer]

@@perafilozof What kinds of games? You mean in CoH 3? I prefer 3v3 and 4v4 against players. These modes allow some breathing room and matches end in tank battles and artillery barrages, super fun. Also, for me, playing against actual people is a lot more fun because they are unpredictable and they choose the most random battle groups so every match feels different, bots play almost identically each match. I'd be down to play with you if you give the game another chance next year or whenever.

[@perafilozof]

That is very cool to read. Finding your own best game mode in some game and being able to play it for a long time is what I love to do myself.

[@XIxR3DEEM3RxIX]

Many developers simply don't realize that they already have a winning formula. Overall, they just need to look at their old game and carry it over to the new one. Instead, they keep trying to reinvent the wheel and fail miserably.

[@perafilozof]

This so much! And it keeps happening over and over along with publishers pushing stuff into games like stores and cutting out content to sell it later as even more expensive than the original base game. I am so sick and tired of this and most of the playerbase is too. Have you tried the game out?

[@XIxR3DEEM3RxIX]

No. Money and my slow internet is the problem. Otherwise I would have tried it out. But I don't think it would be better than my experience with CoH 1 + 2.

[@perafilozof]

Ok, thank you for sharing! Hope your internet and money situation improves.

[@NeurosenkavalierEmilSinclair]

Yeah well, but some new or tweaked mechanics aren't bad at all. I"m all CoH 1 player and CoH 2 didn't appeal to me, but I think about starting CoH 3 because i think it does a lot right. Sound design can be pat hed and partly already is

[@zbigniew2628]

@@XIxR3DEEM3RxIX You may like to try it after 1.70 update and probably hotfixes to it. it is going to be at 16.07. Already it is quite good and I still play 1v1.

[@maxwar353]

Company_of_Heroes 1 Remake or Remaster, Coh4 ww2 Pacific War.

[@perafilozof]

Ha, that would be something. Thank you for sharing

[@Pianootje]

TL:DR me and my friend want to get a CoH game, which one do you advise for primarily co-op against the ai, CoH 1 with the bundle for everything, CoH 2 without dlc's cuz we didn't look to much into it or CoH 3 base game. Could you also tell me why you chose it so i can understand it beter. Thanks for anyone who reacts :D Small question, me and my friend want to buy a company of heroes game, we enjoy playing together and care more to fight against ai in co-op and the occasional pvp against eachother for fun. We like maps with chokepoints to have defenses such as river maps in Coh 1, we also like to paratroop and don't care much about pvp. We also don't want to spend to much since we won't know how much game play we will actually get and do this game occasionally and not full time. Since CoH 3 is in sale we would be interested to maybe buy that, but we looked at CoH 1 and it is 6 bucks and some extra for the base game, opposing front and tales of valor which seems beter since it's cheaper that 30 for CoH 3. What would you advise and for what reason? Thank you :D

[@perafilozof]

For my part and if you want to play with friends usually the most ironed out game with the cheapest price is the answer. Anything expensive or which isn't finished is usually the wrong call. So I would advise CoH2 on sale.

[@Pianootje]

@@perafilozof Thank you for the tip, I will keep it in mind!

[@perafilozof]

No problem

[@jandamz1119]

Late answer to this but here's my thoughts: Either CoH2 or CoH3. Leaning CoH2 if it's in regards to price but for a complete deal then CoH3. CoH1 for pure comp stomp becomes unfun against Expert (they cheat much more than the sequels). CoH2 and CoH3 is on par with one another for vs AI stuff. The only downside I'd say for CoH2 though is that you don't get the full experience with base game. You can't play as 3 other factions for example without buying 2 DLCs, and extra vs AI content (Theater of War & Ardennes Assault) is locked behind it's own set of DLCs. There's also the Commander system in which you'd need to grind/buy commanders that you find have fun units/abilities in their kits. The campaigns are also left in their unfixed state with bugs dating back to launch still existing. CoH3's only downside for me is the price. It's much more content filled from the get go; the only thing not in base game being the 1 company for campaign and 2 multiplayer battlegroups (similar to the Commander system, this can be grinded/bought).

[@sinisterisrandom8537]

If you honestly want my take on why Company Of Heroes 3 failed. It's fairly simple, the name is already heavily associated with what came before, very gritty war-themed games, with a full-out historically accurate, map layout, cutscenes, etc. The problem is the moment you get introduced to the game in teaser form, your expectations are completely shattered with something that was not this game. When it comes to the campaign, it feels like a mobile game, not COH. The attention to detail, sound, etc is generic or none existent. So a lot of life is just lacking. Most companies seem to keep falling for this trick. "It will sell by the brand name" rather than realizing that we do not buy a video game for the name. We buy the video game for quality and high expectations. When you compare COH1, COH2 and COH3. COH1 is throwing COH3 off the Grand Canyon. COH2 has ordered a firing squad, aerial support, and naval bombardments. To put it simply: It failed to live up to expectations, and it failed to understand its identity, and brand and completely failed to improve what came before it. Considering Relic hasn't bothered to enable COH2's custom models, voice files/proper modding support it says a lot. They did not care. It's why COH3 failed, the game simply was being skimped on as much as possible and it shows.

[@perafilozof]

Hi and thank you kindly for sharing all your thoughts on this topic. I totally agree with you and it is what veterans of the series were most irritated by. Exactly as you said, the brand name is there, but lacks the quality that made that name a brand. I think it is a mix of many new developers working on the game, which also don't get the time to put in the effort required to make it on part or better than the previous game and we end up with this half brank knockoff.

[@billwiley7216]

I bought the game at initial launch and saw immediately it was not ready for prime time so have just left it in my Library. Now with all the updates and balancing I am getting ready to dust it off and give it another try. One issue I was hoping for which still has not been addresses is the ability to scroll further out on the map to make it easier to view the "hot" sectors that may need closer scrutiny and micro managing. In my opinion COH1 was and has been so far the best of the three COH games and honestly its the reason the next games in the series have sold as well as they have. But too be fair it was also improved over its initial release state as well.

[@perafilozof]

Hello and thank you kindly for taking the time to share this feedback and your impressions of it post release. I am glad more people think it is getting better. It would be a shame for the franchise to end. But the developers and publishers need to make more of an effort in the future and not push release.

[@billwiley7216]

@@perafilozof My honest opinion is a good game title and franchise today is better served with regular large updates and DLC packages reasonably spaced that provide ample new content and features worthy of the DLC price point which allows the player to get a longer life of the initial investment and allows the gaming studio to keep things fresh while also keeping an income stream alive to support the studio and devs. I know Hearts of Iron 4 has kept its game going for years using this concept and it is one game I find myself to keep returning to as a result.

[@perafilozof]

@@billwiley7216 I do agree with you on principle on this point. But the largest issues is that it is harder to pull of in reality, so publishers chose the easy way, and cut content from current development to sell of extra and not have to increase the price of the base game but get more money by selling 10% more content at the 30% of the price of the full product. I hate that so much. The times before DLCs were much better with developers making Expansions that had a LOT of content for the price that was 50-70% of the original game.

[@caiqueviola3359]

the real problem of all new big budget rts is that they are not treting their releses as sequesll. they treet the games as plataforms to update later, they relese 2 factions and and less tham 10 maps and almost the same units and dont evem realise how pety this is and tham heve the balls to ask us too buy the rest of the game at lazy dlc. the new hoomewolrd 3 is exatly like this. that is the reson why the rts genre is faling to come back at 3a level. while indies are daring to trie new ideias...

[@perafilozof]

A very good point my friend. Thank you for making it in this context. I think the parent companies and publishers are to blame the most for this and also the reason indie developers, those with no publishers don't do such things to their games. Do you own CoH3 or have you tried it out?

[@felixking1072]

Ya, the game you guys are looking for already exists. It's called Call to arms - Ost Front. It's so much better.

[@perafilozof]

There is that... Good point. Thank you for sharing. What else do you play?

[@Spinffx]

Recent Updates (notably 1.7 which is after this video) seem to have improved the game substantially. Maybe revisit it after Feb 2025 (2 years post launch) when another mega update is planned. Everyone admits it launched in a bad state, but CoH2 did as well, it will take time to make it superior to CoH2 which received almost 10 years of support.

[@perafilozof]

Hi and thanks for that recommendation. I most certainly will. Do you play it regularly yourself?

[@Spinffx]

@@perafilozof played on release for about 1 month but returned about a month ago and playing regularly now.

[@perafilozof]

Hey that is great to hear

[@HansAlRachid]

Honestly? I think if you can make yourself ignore the in-game store garbage and the incredibly tone-deaf way they handled this game in the early months, it is actually pretty damn fun. I believe it fails as a product, but if you can get your hands on a cheap key _somewhere_ and ignore the ridiculously overpriced DLC, the game itself is really damn enjoyable. At least for me it is. That said, it's difficult to argue with the notion that CoH 1/2 are overall better games. They are.

[@perafilozof]

Thank you for sharing your thoughts and experience with CoH3. Any game can become ok if the price is low enough, but this was to be best yet, and publisher pushed it out too soon and the developers are not what they used to be.

[@misterArdito]

COH 3 is a mixed bag for me. I'm mostly in mp and I recently bought the game coming from coh2. I find myself struggling to keep units in check because of the muffled sounds and smaller/less impactful UI. On the other hand the gameplay feels much more smooth and responsive. Overall I think it has potential but the game's success at this point depends only on the dev's will to refine it and improve it by listening to the community. Fingers crossed.

[@perafilozof]

Hello, I want to thank you for sharing your impressions and thoughts on the game. It is good to hear some have faith it will turn out good or at least ok. For the sake of the franchise I hope so too. And I also agree on most of your points. Do you also play Man of War for example?

[@misterArdito]

@@perafilozof i have heard of it and I'm curious to give Men of war a try since the new one just came out. I'm a bit worried it may be too difficult because of the hard micro but it would be interesting to see how it feels as a game compared to company of heroes.

[@perafilozof]

From my gameplay experience being hard is part of the charm. So give it a spin for free if you find a chance to see do you like it.

[@skysoftware4581]

The fact your fighting enemies who are within mele range puts me right off. Literally standing 3 ft from a tank and firing your smg into it 😂😂 very realistic 👌

[@perafilozof]

Oh I know... it is an element you just have to get over.

[@rarisoy]

I play it on PS5 with keyboard and mouse and I am having a lot of fun! Yeah player base is small, it takes some time to find opponents, but there is no other WW2 RTS on PS5. I am really happy that they made the console version of COH3.

[@perafilozof]

Hopefully Man of War II comes to consoles. Thank you for sharing, glad to know some people are enjoying themselves in the game.

[@TheDimonTube]

CoH1 and CoH2 are among the best RTS I have played. CoH3 was alright but just didnt give me the same feeling. I'm a sucker for the base building and rely on heavy defenses, couldnt get that in CoH3. Really wished they went with the pacific theatre of war instead to make it stand out more. The steam workshop is doing some heavy lifting tbh.

[@perafilozof]

I see, thank you for sharing your thoughts about this franchise. I am glad to hear that there is one more element that is helping out and sorry to hear you didn't find your favorite way to play in the game.

[@misterchoc2893]

Modern times sounds better.

[@seventucker3232]

While this isn't a shot at the at the devs it is a shot at the current community , while I expect this from late night (past 1a) or early morning players who live and breath the game to see even during prime time constant harrasment of new players who are just learning the game a problem which even during free weekends they should expect this from others they still openly harrass them and tell them to "GTFO" , "go back to the campaign", "go play X game" does not help this game get further than it is and will also turn away even more players from trying to play this game

[@perafilozof]

Hi, that is unfortunate but also understandable. I am a new player in a lot of RTS games and MP communities myself and this is a wide issue. Not just with this game but in each and every one. This tells me the MP player experience isn't structured about how people behave but how they should behave and it creates the friction you have experienced. Simply put, veteran players don't want to be involved in matches with new players. And that is where the bad experience comes from as the developers make systems where minimizing matchup times is more important than those matches actually being enjoyable.

[@seventucker3232]

Ahhhh so then it is the devs fault for skimping out on MMR

[@jandamz1119]

@@seventucker3232 there is an ELO/MMR system but only per faction. So if one has a high rank as the Americans, that's not to say they are with the British. People who are toxic in lower ELO games are just that. Either high fragile egos or straight up shitty personalities. In team games, the ELO difference is a bit wonky at times though; sometimes 3 people would have low ELO and the 4th has a really high one and they get matched with all medium ELO players for example. If they are toxic in Co-op mode, then those guys needs to get a life.

[@raulquintana1549]

Company of Héroes 2 & 3 is now a MOBA no a RTS

[@perafilozof]

Ouch! A bit too harsh if you ask me, but I understand why you think so. Thank you for sharing your thoughts on it with us. Did you try it out during the free weekend?

[@raulquintana1549]

@@perafilozof Sorry men, Is only my experiences in this game CoH 2-3, fight fast for capture strategy territory and lost fast territory for other player all Time, mechanic of MOBA

[@zbigniew2628]

@@raulquintana1549 It is not moba.... It is Relic design of RTS which focuses on territory control and strategy in a small scale. It is an evolution of Dawn of War conditions of victory - capture and hold / take and hold... First Dota mod in Warcraft 3 was in 2003, DOW1 was in 2004. But I quess they may took insipiration from this mod in COH series to make it simpler, than in DOW. I came from DOW:Sousltrom to COH3 and I am happy and sometimes angry with it, but it is getting better. I play mostly 1v1, where I put a good fight vs top50 people. Bloob smashing is what I hate in RTSes, and only Relic managed to make something different than others, but still with some complex mechanics... They have: -line of sight per model -cover system -not simple dps stats (accuracy, fire rate, reload speed of magazine, time to aim, time to set up, accuracy on the move, scatter...) -a bit of momentum in units movement, so it is not artificial like in starcraft -capture point desing of resources -squad of units -interactive terrain -crushable / burnable obstacles -side armor + penetration mechanics -....

[@ManOwaRR1]

bro i disagree with the review first coh3 is a great game , second relic are very talented developers , look at age of empire iv , however one thing for sure though they rushed coh3 and then fixed it later on with patches , it should have been released with the current stage .

[@perafilozof]

Hello and thank you for taking the time to comment your own thoughts on the game and it's rocky developers. I know not all will agree with every point of this video, and that is totally understandable. It also depends on which part of the game is your favorite, SP or MP?

[@ManOwaRR1]

MP

[@perafilozof]

Thx for sharing. This makes your point more valid as I noticed this myself as mentioned in the video that MP players find the game much better than the SP counterparts.

[@Lethal312]

I played it since launch with the updates its improved heaps they never going match coh 1 thats just a level above both games

[@perafilozof]

Hi and thanks for sharing your thoughts on it. It is unfortunate and a blow to the whole franchise. BTW favorite faction to play with?

[@Lethal312]

@@perafilozof i like the Uk the black prince is beast of a tank i do also Us forces commandos are pretty decent units

[@perafilozof]

Hi and thanks for the reply!

[@wearenumberone1111]

I feel like something is wrong with coh3 from the core thats the reason why they cant fix it

[@perafilozof]

That was my impression too. But from playing I think it deepens on which part of the game you like to play more. MP or SP for you?

[@thestacche6898]

it sucks ass. coh online was amazing and the best game ever. all they had to do was port that into a new engine.

[@perafilozof]

Tell me about it. Thank you for sharing your thoughts on it. How much have you played CoH2?

[@HansHagall]

COHO was the best for multiplayer 👍🏻

[@Dunleap]

Improve, hahaha Improve! You funny little man. After Year of Improvements and fixing, we have a 80% of a game it should be at release. I'm talking about multiplayer, as campaign is still undeveloped. It feel like a concept not a ready product. You can't even preview the skin you buy. 2023

[@perafilozof]

Hi and thanks for sharing your thoughts on this game with us in the comments. I agree with you, and would like to know what are your thoughts on the gameplay now in the MP of CoH3 compared to CoH2?

[@Dunleap]

​@@perafilozof In all honestly. I use to play COH2 every second day after work. At last 1 game. It was fun and enjoyable. At this moment, I don't want to play CoH3. I have no crave at all. Here is how I feel: - Units do not respond same way, they still feel sluggish. I don't feel confident, they will fallow my orders. - The ability to read the map is lacking. I steel feel like units blend into the background. Reading battlefield is a pain. - I have trouble distinguishing is units winning or loosing long range fire exchanges. In CQB you can see HP going down fast, so its easier, but not perfect. In previous games you can spot the bullets hitting models or sandbags. You could figure out how accurate unit is by just observing where the salvo hit. CoH3 feels like bullets in infantry fights disappear and hit at random. Sometimes units is loosing HP and you haven't see the incoming fire hitting models. - Some of the units feel OP. In Coh2 you could use conscripts to defeat higher tier units by placement and tactics, retreat to next cover and shot. Here it feels like, if the units have better stats it will win no matter the cover or positioning. Even when running in a middle of open space, against certain units I feel powerless even with numerical and positional advantages. This is reflected by the last point. Because battlefield is less readable, and harder to track bullets. It feels the damage happened, ignoring everything else. - It feels like the stats of the units, can override the numerical advantage or tactic. Micromanagement can't compensate RNG. CoH 3 Encourage using meta builds even more and no matter how good you are, even if your opponent make mistakes. Unless you use meta build its hard to compensate for units stats. I just want to add that: - UI is soulless, no dirt, grid or epicenes. It feels like devas have no idea for art design, and decide to trash old UI without learning from it.

[@perafilozof]

Thank you kindly for taking the time to write this out. It is very informative and matches my own observations and what others have written in other places. Especially the part about visuals of the battle not computing directly with the results. As for the UI part I totally agree and don't think the same people were involved in the making of it.

[@johnlowther4068]

I’m pretty convinced they made a mobile game they ported to pc

[@perafilozof]

Well... some aspects sure look like evidence to that point. But again, could be put down to bad quality. Thank you for sharing your thoughts about it. What are you playing now?

[@johnlowther4068]

Snow runner and frost punk. I would have loved for coh3 to have even been on par with the original cog or coh2 without the step back they took on coh3

[@perafilozof]

Thx for the replay! Hope you will enjoy FP2 a lot

[@jacquesjtheripper5922]

Also the ai is poor it seems often. For sp play, it's important. The African campaign is short and average, the dynamic campaign is the one interesting thing for sp, and it seems an average mishmash. If they expand on it, and improve ai, and finish of animations, feel of all, then it can be worth it for sp, for now only at very low price.

[@perafilozof]

Yeah, that was my impression too. Thank you for sharing your own with us. Have you played the previous games as well?

[@jacquesjtheripper5922]

@perafilozof played the 1st game back when it released on pc. I'm in ps5 now only, so i was anxious to get a good tactics gsme with a new layer of strategy, shame when i read the ign sp review, how it seems disappointing in many aspects. At least it improved somewhat now, hard to tell by how much and if enough for the price. Im waiting for 1.6 update at least to be on ps5 before getting it, if i can be patient enough..,hehe.

[@perafilozof]

I would say even $30 is generous but than again I have a family, no longer solo, if I was solo I would pay $30. Depends on your wallet and what you are willing to put up with.

[@Zechariah_Johnson]

man i want to like this game so bad and ive put hundreds of hours into it. but really at the end of it all i would rather be able to refund it and just pretend it never happened. COH2 is way better even with the ridiculous micro transactions One of my biggest gripes that they still havent fixed is the US paratroopers using a bolt action animation lmao luckily they changed the main menu from having a period innacurate italian m1 garand conversion that came out in the 1950s (the m1 garand with a clip/magazine) (edit) i will add some positives because there are a few things i do like about coh3 over coh2 the base building/tech system is a little better since they went back to the coh1 style, but VERY minor thing imo The graphics are really good when you zoom in on the units, and the explosion animations and textures are really good, but something feels weird about it. like playing with toy soldiers vs seeing a battlefield. like in coh2 when arty hit somewhere or tanks push on your defensive position the aftermath is usually just absolute complete carnage. smoking vehicles everywhere, bodies and limbs, huge craters and destruction of any treees or structures, dudes crawling away and the voicelines make you immersed. I cant pinpoint what exactly is different about coh3 in this regard, but everything just feels so "wimpy" i wanna like the game, but even when i try to give it complements, there are stains

[@Zechariah_Johnson]

I also want to add some points on multiplayer vs singleplayer people seem to have varying opinions on these but this is my experience. i bought the game at release for $60 and have come back to try it out even as recently as last month and these are my final thoughts. Multiplayer - blob city. just make the most overpowered flamethrower and AT infantry units you can and unless you are REALLY bad you will probably take out their whole army unless they have the same blob makeup. The new ranger battlegroup is absolutely ridiculously OP and ranger units just get a lootbox with a random weapon in it? BAD design imo and leads to very un-fun gameplay and unrealistic. feels bad. only a few battlegroups that you can pick from and doesnt have the feel of diversity that the battlegroups in coh2 had. they feel "gimmicky" like you have 1 good strat with each battlegroup. SPAM ARTY OR BLOB. and if u go arty it really only works in big team games with competent team mates. Blob is still winning strat. artillery can be strong and tanks can be strong, but still nothing beats the flamethrower AT blob if you have smoke and any support for them. add in frontline reinforcement mechanics they have in this game and its whack it seems that the only good PvP in this game is the 1v1. which to me is the weakest of any Coh gameplay. who wants to just back cap for 70% of the game? i guess some people like that, but i would think starcraft2 would give you a much better expereince for that kind of gameplay Singleplayer - barely put any time into it because it simply does not draw me in. the italian campaign is like a bad version of Civ gameplay (even tho civ is pretty weak to begin with) i feel like it COULD be good, but its kind of sloppily and lazily put together and i feel nothing compelling me to sort thru the atrocious UI to figure out how it all even works. Rommel campaign seemed better becuase it was simpler and followed a more linear path, but at end of the day the AI is so bad i think it may be impossible to lose any mission even on hardest.

[@perafilozof]

Hi and thanks for sharing your thoughts on the game and it's current stage. It is the same sentiment most players have about it. Simply not the same look and feel of the previous games. For whatever reason the developers didn't keep it as is but changed some of the most obvious atmospheric elements.

[@perafilozof]

I know my friend. I totally get that. They tried something new with the SP but not before making sure they have a solid foundation in the other modes. 1v1 CoH is my least favorite multiplayer experience as it simply doesn't have the same fun due to very small counts. Feels wrong and underwhelming. The meta always comes up on top as in any other game and it is another reason that stops an RTS from being fun as players who only care about winning end up ruining the experience of having fun in a game for everyone

[@cks5148]

Dont waste time on COH 3, much worse than COH2 , not to mention unacceptable misleading voice acting and cinematic cutsence . I doubt there will be COH 4 , as no one will trust relic again .

[@perafilozof]

Too true, and so bad... We will see what happens now that SEGA no longer has creative control

[@johanesbpermadi2016]

I am glad to wait for reviews to make a purchase decision for CoH3, and I am not regretting one bit for NOT purchasing the game. Yeah indeed CoH3 looks like a mobile game.

[@ManOwaRR1]

just play it yourself it's on free weekend , i dunno how coh3 looks like a mobile game but ok .

[@perafilozof]

The important thing is that you can make a good decision about where to spend your money. Thank you for the comment! And btw I showcase many upcoming RTS games on my playlist here: kzbin.info/aero/PLRYGjguAn0CFpLi_MlTb6PIgLkXQM632Y

[@johanesbpermadi2016]

@@ManOwaRR1 I agreed with what @perafilozof said from 2:53 to 3:30 mark. And unfortunately, I already lost interest in the game, not gonna bother downloading it even for trying.

[@fabio6170]

This is a good game now it will improve more😊

[@perafilozof]

Hi and thanks for sharing your thoughts on it ! Do you play it regularly?

[@rafaelkutby3846]

It's very good now

[@perafilozof]

Have you played it yourself?

[@rafaelkutby3846]

@@perafilozof yes, I have been playing coh1 from day 1, and I am having almost 1k hours on 3.. the game is getting better, i only played pvp never bothered with campaign only for special achievements.. honestly the real problem now is that enjoying a RTS takes time.. and most will lash on coh3 due to frustration.. every coh had bad releases but we tend to overlook that with time.. as the game gets better

[@perafilozof]

I see. Good to know you are giving it a fair chance and have the patience for it. Hopefully you will enjoy it more as it gets better. Thank you for the replay.

[@rafaelkutby3846]

@@perafilozof No problem mate, wishing you luck for your next videos too

[@perafilozof]

@@rafaelkutby3846 Thank you kindly!

[@marekkos3513]

it looks like Relic,Creative Assembly and Blizzard have different developer team , then before in the past. The sound design is so much worse in COH3 The graphics , animations and particles effects , and small little details are gone in Coh 3 The gameplay is Ok , but COH 2 is just much better in almost every whay.I think Relic is gone , because they are doing games for mass , instead of fans.

[@perafilozof]

Hi and thanks for sharing your thoughts on this game with us. I think about the same about it. It is missing the most well crafted elements of gameplay and graphics, sounds, it had in the previous version.

[@marekkos3513]

@@perafilozof how come after 20 years , Relic cant make a better games any more ? They have a lot of money , and technology and a lot of people.WHAT IS going on ?

[@perafilozof]

@@marekkos3513 Two possibilities: a) Those people are not working there anymore b) The publisher had such a stranglehold on development that they can't even if they want to.

[@RW-Navigator]

how they messed up company of heroes and dawn of war is insane. such a shame

[@perafilozof]

I know, and many have the same opinion. It is going to be a very long road of redemption for this Developer now that they no longer work for SEGA. Thx for the comment! Which CoH game did you enjoy the most?

[@RW-Navigator]

@@perafilozof I just played coh2 never touched the first. I came from of dawn of war 1 and 2 into coh2

[@perafilozof]

Ah ok, got it. Thx for the reply

[@kenc9236]

It's a click fest with no effort to strategy at all.

[@perafilozof]

I can't really agree until I play more, but I still thank you for sharing your thoughts about it. Did you also play CoH2?

[@jogurcik13]

So its same unplayable without dlc as coh2? 😂

[@perafilozof]

I would say unplayable, but deepens on what you are looking to get from it. Are you an SP or MP players? Or do you play both?

[@diego2817]

What are you talking about? In coh2 you get 2 factions, in coh3 you get 4 factions from the go, free, you also get 2 free new barrel groups, coh2 was a DLC fest,

[@MlgKronks69]

I love how you talked about so many stupid things, like 1 line of voice acting. Come on man

[@perafilozof]

Hi and thanks for your comment. It is called giving examples of subpar work done by the developers on this title. I would like to read your opinion on the game as a whole?

[@thatdumbQ]

"arcadey combat" isnt a problem and i think that was a bad take honestly, its an arcadey RTS game designed to be like that.

[@perafilozof]

Whatever the reason might be, it is not what most of the player base wanted or expected. That is the issue.

[@Bloodlinedev]

This is all bs. The game is basically an updated version of the 2nd game. 90% is the same. I'm not a fan of the different scenario but love the quality of life changes. Steam reviews are useless.

[@perafilozof]

Hi and thank you for sharing your own impression. It is always good to see as many opinions on this as possible. Which gameplay mode do you play?

[@Bloodlinedev]

@@perafilozof Ah, maybe that's the point here - I play skirmish only

[@perafilozof]

@@Bloodlinedev hehe, very likely :) As the multiplayer minority is the most vocal one

[@LeSoleilRoyalXIV]

Look like italian accent (is it right ?)

[@perafilozof]

Hi, close but no. Serbia. What do you think of CoH3 right now?

[@LeSoleilRoyalXIV]

@@perafilozof Ops i was wrong :D. I don't have the game, came to that video to see how is it, but i think i wont like it, too arcade :P. I think i will stay on sudden strike IV for now :P.

[@perafilozof]

@@LeSoleilRoyalXIV Sudden Strike franchise is one of my favorites :) Have you played Blitzkrieg or Africa corp vs Desert Rats?

[@LeSoleilRoyalXIV]

@@perafilozof I played blitzkrieg game in the past when i was younger, they are nice, i plan to buy Call to arms gate of hell for now :).

[@perafilozof]

AH nice, good choices all around :)

[@Atomik88slo]

could not finish italien kampagne because 3 enemies on the map were undying and after turn 38 the game stuck and even reloading old save would stuck me again at turn 38 so a 1 out of 5 a buggy mess. Afrika kampagne was nice a 3 out of 5 my problem with it was it was too short, only englisch there was a single one german word "wüstenfuchs" and than he started speaking englisch again so it felt so off a person talking in englisch while he should in german and have englisch only subtitles. For now i still prefer playing iron harvest, men of war assault squad 2, terminator dark fate, call to arms and call to arms gates of hell, "broken arrow demo" and cepheus protocol that look a bit in one or another way to company of heroes 3 even if all of this games have some small problems too but not a single game breaking. For company of heroes 2 i loved the first part and never finished the next part where the game turned into turn based on map. So i wonder how i will like man of war 2 that comes out in 15h if it will be better than company of heroes 3 or not

[@perafilozof]

Hi and thank you for sharing your experience with the game with us all in the comments. It is good to get as many points of view as possible. Technical glitches are unfortunate and too common for this game. But at least those are easy to fix given enough time. The rest of the points you made are much harder and which is why I am also not sure about the game's future. Hope you will enjoy Man of War II more! Let me know.

[@назарбезносик]

Come on, whinning on the skins is so stupid, skins are really funny, because they help to make your armu more prsonalized. I spent not a dollar to the skins and yet I have dozens of that and some of them are awesome. By the way I played all 3 coh games, spent aroun 650 hours at coh 2 and yeah, coh 3 NOW, not on release, but NOW is a fine game. Still not enpough content for me, but it is WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAY more better than it was and only real idiot or a liar can say that the game did not improved.

[@perafilozof]

Hello, and thanks for sharing your thoughts and impressions on CoH3 and its updates. The video shares my own, and the current majority opinion on the game (at least those vocal about it). And it is totally understandable that your own opinion differs. What faction and game mode have been your favorites?

[@mr_ako662]

Just watched your video. Chose the ignore this channel option.

[@perafilozof]

I am sorry to hear that, but would like to read what you disagree on so strongly with my words?

[@orkhepaj]

woke company , thats all need to know why

[@perafilozof]

Well... not really the point here. More about the quality of work they did on this game, product. BTW why do you call them woke?

[@diego2817]

Unfortunately I had to agree, Relic is canadian, It became super woke, after the masive layoff recently the game started to get good patches, so I think they did a clean internally. I think they touch base and know they can't wokified their game anymore.

[@orkhepaj]

@@diego2817 hope so , because this was one of my fav series

[@perafilozof]

Oh... oh...

[@orkhepaj]

@@perafilozof I havent tried the game ,just seen the first trailers were about strong woman and some north african woman blablaing about european violence etc and she is the real victim or something... clearly wokey talk too much for me thats for sure