Is Cross-Controlled Inherently Dangerous?

[@22airjordan1]

This is one reason I did not recommend flight training in the PA-28. They are very stable and docile and almost too easy to fly when learning. And can give students false sense of security because the aircraft is designed so well

[@stephenabbott3623]

I could not agree more.

[@warren5699]

Agree. Stall training should teach and safely demonstrate the worst things that can happen. Don't forget this model is not approved for spins for a reason.

[@SierraBravo7970]

In my opinion That’s why you start in stable aircraft and progress to more complicated unstable aircraft. Starting out learning basic principles of an aircraft with positive dynamic and static stability which is built into most GA aircraft. A pilot can kill themselves just as fast in a PA-28. If not properly flown and I’d say that’s one of the worse things that can happen.

[@PilotReidB]

Working on my CFI and honestly, these have scared me on the two times I tried them. I think this video just massively satisfied that safety need

[@excellenceinanimation960]

I heard Harris hill on the coms! Wonderful place!

[@tomdchi12]

A simple principle I’ve never heard stated: in coordinated flight lift on the wings is equal. A nice “why” behind keeping coordinated.

[@Tubes12AX7k]

If you fly an early taildragger, it may not have flaps. The only consistent way to ensure a good controlled landing is to slip the plane. The alternative is to very carefully slow the plane down, raise the nose slowly, and then allow the plane to settle. So, slipping the plane is the best option, and it involves crossed controls.

[@coredeveloper]

1) it was a stall horn, not a stall exactly. 2) p-28 have a stall strips, so to really stall it, pilot have to continue to increase AoA, so that all surfaces of the wing will stall.

[@zz3709]

I thought the concern was with skidding in the base-to-final turn…? At 0:55 you're on a left bank with the ball to the left, so that's cross-controlled. Later, at 1:37 it's the same: left bank with ball to left, so how is this different?

[@9sixteenMotorsports]

Now do it with left aileron and left rudder together and see what happens. 🤣

[@meese1k]

we do turning stalls (granted not this steep angle of bank, but that should prove my point more) in the 172 and is wildly more dramatic than this. in a right turning stall, you will absolutely get a left wing drop, and vice versa. this will obviously vary based on power setting and angle of bank, but im sure it depends on the plane and how heavily its stalled.

[@commentatron]

Same with a J3 Cub.

[@BeyBoy17]

A slip is not inherently dangerous on any plane. Try it with a skid.

[@latexhague8267]

I don’t believe that is the correct procedure for a cross controlled stall demonstration. You were slipping whereas a cross controlled stall is a skidding motion. To do a cross controlled stall correctly you first bank roughly 30 degrees in the direction of the overshot runway while simultaneously applying excessive rudder in the same direction. Over banking tendency will cause the pilot to apply aileron in the opposite direction while continuing to hold the same rudder inputs. Because you lose vertical lift from being in a steep turn the aircraft will descend more rapidly causing the pilot to then pitch up and eventually exceed the CAOA in an uncoordinated state and there is your stall spin scenario. Please correct if im wrong my intention is not to prove anyone wrong just have a discussion.

[@xanderw1460]

This is also my understanding. Correcting for an overbanked attitude causes the low wing to stall first because it's at a higher aoa. That combined with the rudder input causes the spin.

[@xlhits]

@@xanderw1460 this is how I understand it to be as well

[@NorthwestAeronaut]

You're not incorrect and that is the traditional way to demonstrate the DANGERS of a cross-controlled stall as you can see in my video on Demo Stalls. However, cross controlling can be demonstrated in both the slipped condition as well as the skidding condition. What he's demonstrating here with he slipped condition goes a long way to show the stability of the aircraft and the slip, but the other side of that coin is the skidding condition that you are referring to and is as equally important of a demonstration.

[@manifestgtr]

What would this be like in a tommy or another similarly designed airplane? I feel like you’d *at least* get a wing drop. This seems like a consequence of design moreso than what any given model of airplane is likely to do. Don’t get me wrong…I fully believe the Cherokees behave like this. Whenever I’ve trained in them, they’ve been awesome. But I’ve also gotten wing drops in my RV12 while fully coordinated lol

[@scottpatterson4105]

I've found in 58 years of flying, defensive flying is just like defensive driving, there's no practical reason for induced incidents, accidents.

[@SierraBravo7970]

Great video however you never demonstrated the most dangerous, cross controlled stall. There are 2 types of cross controlled stalls. 1) Slipping 2) Skidding You’ve demonstrated 1) stalls in a coordinated bank 2) Slipping Stall You never demonstrated the skidding stall. Example: in an attempt to not over bank in the turn from base to final so you cheat with rudder. I guarantee you if you would’ve demonstrated that now matter what aircraft it’s gonna be dramatic.

[@michaelkhisa1692]

Try the same maneuvers in a C172...

[@thomasperotti]

Carb heat and fuel pump anyone?