Is Dark Souls 2 STILL the Black Sheep?

[@GraaD-87]

I played the original DS2 with DLCs on PS3 on release for about ~800 hours and I absolutely LOVED this game. It felt different from the previous games, but I appreciated most of the new ideas and mechanics, adored the soundtrack, ambiance, covenants and core ideas (being centered around the undead curse as a personal tragedy rather then an instrument of higher powers). Hell, I even enjoyed fast weapon breaking (durability is ACTUALLY a thing at last, and not just a flavor number on neraly unbreakable weapons) and ADP stat (helps you actually feel the character progression, and with the cheapest levels in the series it makes you feel you are becoming more agile as you constantly level up bit by bit). Killing the area boss didn't make it dead for PvP interactions, bonfire ascetics were a great touch both gameplay-wise and immersion-wise, NPCs progressing their quests through achieving victories along with you made them more relatable somehow... Lots of minor changes to the previous formula atually worked. Some others... needed you to bend your mindset a bit to actually make sense. A few were actually bad, but not gamebreaking for me (like the torch, while being a great addition, had an annoying constant timer on it... why?!). Also graphics were not good at all (lighting, textures, far away views), even compared to the older Demon's Souls. Still all things considered I enjoyed this game immensely. Years later I've bought and played SOTFS on both PS4 and PC (did at least one complete NG run on each platform) and have to admit I hated a lot of changes compared to vanilla. Most enemy placements and some item placements not only make little sense, but also make the gameplay experience much worse. Lots of red phantoms just to make areas more annoying then they had to be. Also it outright BREAKS the pretty well-balanced difficulty curve of the original. So I'd say... SOTFS if okay if you've already played the vanilla game and seek something fresh yet familiar. But as a way to experience this game for the first time it's bad and highly not recommended if it can be helped (but it can't on current platforms, so... yeah, I get why people have more hate towards this game nowadays). DS2 still remains to be my favourite Soulsborne game to this day. That said, I've skipped Sekiro - played it for a few hours, hated almost everything about it and dropped it; perhaps will give it another shot at some point.

[@mr.tacocat8279]

you are 1000 percent right. Sotfs truely feels like it is an "optional hard mode" and I only woould play this if you want to replay DS2 but you want a harder expirience. DS2 (Original) is such an good and carefully crafted Game that Sotfs nearly ruined it. I can totally understand why people hate DS2, when they play Sotfs thinking this is the "definitive" edition and do not like it. (sorry for my bad english)

[@lucascarracedo7421]

I always felt the concept of going hollow and memories fading would resonate a lot harder once these games got older. At which point will we inadvertently be on our last dark souls run before never playing it again?

[@Lytane]

When researching DS2 I loved a how a few of the takes on it go out of their way to say how insignificant everything is, it's just another cycle and we get to see it. It's not as important as 1 or 3. It feels epic as we take down the bosses and the like but really the choices don't matter. And as we see in other characters, our memories will fade just like them and the world doesn't care. I wish DS3 played with this idea more but I love how unique the theme is here.

[@Childofbhaal]

This game felt like a fever dream tbh. I remember I had played the first game in 2011. I actually got mono and was bed ridden for a month straight unable to work or attend college right when I got DS2. I genuinely didn’t even realize for a long time that it wasn’t directed by Miyazaki and made by From Software’s B team. I spent that whole month just indulged in DS2 and it was so memorable. And I felt a little weak and loopy from the mono so yeah.. DS2 felt like one big fever dream. One I’ll never forget

[@Guitarplayer22222]

If they would remaster DS2 and fix some of these issues like hitboxes and ADP it would be the best souls game.

[@Lytane]

It is so wild that the "remaster" scholar of the first sin didn't fix up hitboxes. Adding in more enemies was more important than making some bosses better

[@jakeowenramos5754]

Yeah if they fix the issues and the ADP

[@gorrack10281987]

Bloodborne will be 10 next march in 2025 😮

[@yikes6969]

My gf was born the same day bloodborne came out

[@Lytane]

Holy cow I didn’t realise! Looks like I know what video I’m making next March 🤣🤣

[@gorrack10281987]

@Lytane yeah dawg 😊

[@a_fuckin_spacemarine7514]

​@@yikes6969you're dating a 9yo?!

[@yikes6969]

@@a_fuckin_spacemarine7514 yea

[@SpecShadow]

It's a rough gem, but I still play it. The weirdest part was Scholar not fixing much, but also adding more issues like hoards of enemies.

[@GilbertTheGilbertGuy]

Like 3-4 areas experience this and it's still extremely easy to navigate.

[@Lytane]

From what I’ve seen it’s more than 3-4 areas but with that comes shrine of amano and Iron Keep and why they made it harder like this is beyond me. It’s even prevalent in their philosophy when going into the dlcs as they are much more gank heavy. Even one of the new “bosses” is a gank squad! I guess that’s what the team learnt after making the game, give us more enemies lol

[@GilbertTheGilbertGuy]

@@Lytane Actually it IS 3-4 areas. The only gank area that's actually bad is cave of the dead. Every other area can be navigated by going slow and picking off enemies or if you used some common sense.

[@teddyhh9947]

Still liked ds2 much more than scholar for quite awhile. Really couldnt understand the praise scholar got for "fixing" ds2 when ds2 was already an amazing game. It wasnt me who pointed it out but a lot of the shit ds 2 gets seemingly is from Katana users who likes the flow of the combat inds 1 and ds 3 while ds 2 is more of a strategic rpg favoring spells/strenght.

[@Lytane]

@GilbertTheGilberGuy So the added pursuer in Things betwixt, more enemies in the forest of giants, more enemies and a pursuer in Lost Batile, extra heide knights in Heides Tower, more enemies in Iron Keep, more enemies in Shrine of Amano, more enemies in aldias keep, more and harder enemies at the start of Tseldora and more spiders as well, technically more enemies in Dragon Shrine but they aren't hostile unless you attack the dragon so that gets a pass. Looks to me like more than 3-4 areas.... and I'm sure I missed some. More enemies that require slow boring gameplay is not good game design especially when vanilla has an overall faster, more kinetic approach to its combat.

[@Praetarius]

I'm always baffled how people say DS2 has the harshest penalty for dying in the series. DS2: you lose 5% max health per death up to 10 times DeS: you immediately drop to 50% max health; basically 1 death = 10 DS2 deaths DS1: you lose defense and status resistance bonuses from humanity (caps at 10 humanity); don't know the exact values, I'd guess you take ~10% more damage until the full recovery DS3: you lose the 30% bonus human form gives, so effectively 23.1% max health loss in one go

[@Lytane]

I haven’t played Demons Souls but from what I’ve heard that one probably has the harshest penalty. As for DS1 and DS3 the stats (at least to me) feel more like a bonus with a slight risk and reward there. If I want more stats I can use humanity but now I could get invaded. Same for ds3 if I want more health I use an ember. That 30% increase feels different because if I die sure I lose it, but after that there is no further penalty. It’s like hollow is the normal state and using an item makes you stronger. In DS 2 you start at max and every death takes something away making you feel weaker. If it was hard with 100% health, well now you have less. The only way to get back to the “normal” state is to use an item. So the mentality behind the punishment is very different. In ds1 and 3 it feels like you lost a bonus. In ds2 it feels like you are losing your normal state. THAT is why people say it’s a harsh penalty. Does that make sense to you?

[@Praetarius]

@@Lytane No, not really. You can see before the char creation that you already start with maxed out health penalty (health bar is clearly cut in half), and with the char creation done get the bonus one time for free like you do in DS3 when you beat a boss. DeS, DS1 and DS3 make you lose the bonus in 1 death, DS2 in 10, but all 4 games are balanced around having the maxed bonus active.

[@Cricket0021]

dark souls 2 walked so that elden ring could run

[@brandonbarade1335]

My only issue about ds2 is the agility system because you need to invest in agility in order to defeat some bosses like fume knight

[@Lytane]

I've seen a few SL1 runs where they don't touch it but damn it looks hard, way harder than it should be! I know I need to level it up otherwise the game isn't fun

[@BobBobOnYouTube]

I’ve played through DS2 at least 5 times. I’ve never increased ADP. I didn’t even know what it was until recently.

[@Lytane]

But did you increase Attunement (which lets you hold more spells and cast more) because that also bumps up the agility making dodging easier. With mage builds you don't NEED adp but it's more consistent in its boosts.

[@BobBobOnYouTube]

@@Lytane No. I always make melee builds. Magic is boring.

[@attikaaaa]

I was in the same shoes as you, i was maybe 10-11 when i got my first Souls like game, and it was Dark Souls 2. I got stuck at Sinners’ Rise, because i couldn’t defeat The Lost Sinner. I remember i was sweating at every boss, and i lost control while fighting The Lost Sinner and broke my controller. Fast forward to now, i completely finished Dark Souls 2 in 56 hours, and i actually really liked it. I experienced good and bad, but overall it’s not the worst game i’ve ever played. If you haven’t, you should try it out, it’s not as bad as they say it is!😅

[@MizanQistina]

ADP is for role-playing. A spell caster should not be as agile as a melee fighter, but you can make them to be by spending points in ADP. To break a character is by your own choice, as in many other RPGs, it is called "cross-class". That's what makes DS2 unique than others. Look what happen in DS3, everyone just rolling and rolling and rolling, it is ridiculous.

[@Lytane]

That's a great way to look at it. By giving the player the power they can build characters that they like or want to play as, even role playing! And I am a big fan of rolling so I'm ridiculous hahahaha

[@MizanQistina]

@@Lytane Many complainers and thrashers only taking into melee fighter point of view, while the game gives a lot of character classes and not specifically designed for melee characters. I know many players choose melee build because it's macho and badass but don't force the opinion on players who play other builds that have no problem without ADP, as if the game is bad because of ADP. I play as sorcerer to the end without a single point ADP because I don't need to get near the enemy, and I only need to get more powerful with magic to kill them fast. Of course I get hit sometimes, but that what healing is for.

[@Lytane]

@@MizanQistina a lot of players (myself included) like the close combat aspect, where you live and die by the movements you make. With Magic you can do things at range so might not be in as much harm but in reality you are because most bosses move fast! My complaint isn’t really behind adaptability, more so agility as it’s that stat that changes I-frames. And even though you never touch adaptability, by playing a sorcerer you get a bonus to agility when you level up attunement. So without realising, you were making yourself better at rolling lol

[@MizanQistina]

@@Lytane 😂Yeah, attunement level AGL but still don't need ADP to enhance it further because it is not that important. Healing exists, it is not like most players can dodge all attacks 100% all the time, not even in DS3. To make it as a reason why DS2 is bad, that is my issue, it just a nitpick. DS2 have problems but ADP isn't one of them.

[@safeforworkgaming6211]

Sorry for the multiple comments but my phone doesn't like me to edit them. 17:30 - Both of those areas are co-op areas and are meant to do with two other people (Frozen Outskirts can have three people). If you are soloing them, you are the one who is making it extremely hard for yourself. As for the Darklurker runs, as an avid DS2 defender (heck, I just posted a video defending the frozen outskirts), I completely agree with you. The boss is awesome, the constant npc fights are far annoying. There's a reason why it shall be the last video in my Jedi run on my channel. It is my least favorite aspect of DS2.

[@Lytane]

That's all good (and probably better for the algorithm so thank you lol) That is very true, and the game even provides a few NPCs to make that part "not as bad" but it still is a crazy boss run regardless. And its crazy that both bosses are just reskinned encounters making the journey not feel all that important at the end. And personally I didn't have much of a problem with Frozen Outskirts, it was just such a long walk which sucked. Darklurker was on my list of top bosses in the game, when fighting it I had a lot of fun but man, that boss run was so annoying. Which level did you chose to repeat? I ended up doing the one in the black gulch as I found it the easiest when doing the side quest. I'll have to check out your channel!

[@dimensionalnemesis8636]

Its my favourite Dark Souls and i prefer Scholar so much more, i've Platinum'd OG as well but going back to OG is just pain and i prefer Scholar's Challenge, and every OG's placement of things isn't easier in my opinion like how on PS3 there's a random ass Mimic that isn't in Scholar, basically right in tge Doors of Pharros right outside before a Bonfire after Scorpioness Najka Boss Fight. Also i still find this claim always confusing but death has a HP penalty in almost every game, Dark Souls 3 there's a HP penalty for losing your Embered state, when you play Elden Ring you're gonna have a HP penalty for losing your Rune Arc State if you use a HP boosting Rune Arc, most notably in Demon's Souls if you die in Human Form just once you instantly lost half your HP, so i personally find Dark Souls 2's penalty the most forgiving, i'd rather lose half my HP after 5-10 deaths than from a single death, but to each his own. I actually always play the game with 6 Adaptibility now and i have no big problems, so i can say with confidence it most definitely isn't required, if you're good at the game and actually time you rolls properly everything works.

[@RAAAAAAHHHHHhh]

I've finished DS2 a bunch of times and only heard about what agility does recently. It's never been an issue for me.

[@acromny]

literally i first played it like 8 months ago and i played 80% of the game without even touching that stat lmao

[@Lytane]

That's great, you can certainly get used to the rolling in DS2, it is just something I don't like as it feels like it isn't working. Also you can boost your agility with the Attenuation stat so if you were playing a spell caster or wanted more spell slots you might have been boosting your agility without even knowing it!

[@sueflewelling3657]

Great video ps can I ask you a question

[@Lytane]

Thank you!! Of course you can, what is your question?

[@sueflewelling3657]

​@@Lytaneok first what do you think of fromsoftware approach to storytelling and two who is your favorite oddworld creacher my is slig and wolvark

[@sueflewelling3657]

​@@Lytaneexuse me did my comment came in

[@Lytane]

It did come through! I was just busy with work and sleep, sorry for the slower reply. As for the answers to your questions: I like a lot of aspects of the story design in FromSoft games. I love environmental stories and lore being attached to objects. It’s cryptic and fun to piece together (and I really love people discussing the game) but I also hate how vague it all is. Even after I’ve watched deep dives and interpretations there is still so much guess work. Like Ornstein being in DS2 and 3 and they conflict with each other. So while I like the delivery of a lot of it, I don’t like how vague it can be. 2. For Oddworld I am always going to be a huge fan of Elum. He doesn’t appear much but I love how sad he gets when you leave him and how annoyed he gets over bees making his honey eating a chore. Others that I like are the Steef, what’s not to love about a Centaur! Sligs are so iconic and I love how much variety they have. Why do you love the sligs so much? And what do you think of the story telling in these fromsoft games?

[@sueflewelling3657]

​@@Lytanei love the slig because there funny and are the best part of the games for and even thou stranger wrath is my favorite game in the series there were no slig witch for me was the game biggest disappointment but they did have the wolvark witch are basically the slig of the game. As for fromsoftware I love how they handle it of them not telling you everything and letting you figering things out on your own ps how would you rank the soulsborne games?

[@zachtaylor5312]

DS2 has a goofy, cartoony look to everything. DS1 has a gritty, more realistic look to everything.

[@MizanQistina]

DS1 realistic? lol Look at that priest in the Firelink Shrine

[@Lytane]

Especially when you wear the butterfly set! So silly, but so fun

[@risottonero7347]

Ahhhh, i love this masterpiece

[@Lytane]

I was also surprised with how much I ended up liking this game. After getting past my hatred and loathing at the start and learning how this particular game plays it was a blast! Out of all of the souls games I’ve played so far I think the start of this one is the hardest. And probably the main reason why most people were turned off of it

[@whyequalswhat]

Dark Souls 2 is way to flawed to be a masterpiece. Shitty enemy placement. Shitty mechanics. Shitty and pointless stats. Shitty level design. Shitty bosses. Not even close to a masterpiece

[@xXLunatikxXlul]

@@whyequalswhatEw, you can’t let other people have opinions. Gross.

[@whyequalswhat]

@@xXLunatikxXlul ew, they like Dark Souls 2? Even grosser

[@lotrfan4237]

@@whyequalswhatit’s a masterpiece. Cope lol

[@madmaxmel]

I love this rough gem, if Dark Souls 2.1 ever came from the same development team I would buy it asap.

[@Lytane]

I too think it's pretty good but I think that Scholar made a lot of silly choices, I wonder if this team did work on other things, I should look them up one day lol

[@NoxMortem]

I'm guessing that you will LOVE Demon Souls. Get to Elden Ring first though, you can basicly choose between nearly any playstile you like. Sekiro is a differnt kind of beast. Is also has very fast paced combat but it's absolutly worth your time :)

[@Lytane]

I hope I do! Next on my list is Sekiro, then probably Demons Souls before finally getting to Elden ring, the only reason is that I tend to find that evolving mechanics and playing in release order helps when moving forwards through a series. It's the same reason why I played Persona 1 despite 5 being so popular (and I REALLY want to play it lol)

[@TheUltimateMachineGod]

Heres my honest take after hearing most arguments about Ds2. Its a game that has many good merits and many problems. But regardless of your thoughts on it. It was a game that i think was crucial to the future development of Souls games. It introduced many concepts that would go on to be welcomed staples into modern souls games and there were many concepts that didnt. Its a game that took genuine risks, and as far as risks go they dont always pan out in good reception. Many people have valid complaints but i see dark souls 2 as a foundation and turning point within the history of souls games. Since at the time the genre was new and fromsoftware rightfully wanted to see what they could and could not do in a souls like game. Even Miyazaki recently has gone on record saying even he doesnt know what the future of the souls series would have been without Ds2, and lets be honest if the horses mouth himself claims something that big im probably gonna believe him.

[@reedjohnson5916]

Bro not playing sekiro is a maidenless crime, touch grass

[@grayestrat]

Best fromsoft game

[@Lytane]

I will play it one day I swear! Maybe this year, probably next

[@fadpanda3873]

I prefer the vanilla version of DS2, it was my first souls and my introduction to From Software games. It has a lot of flow for sure but it's amazing and can be replayed in so many ways every time

[@Lytane]

I wish I had stuck out and played the vanilla version back in the day. If I didn’t get annoyed at the start I think I would have loved the game more. It’s also neat that you can skip half of the game if you have a crazy amount of soul memory, made that platinum run easier!

[@commandertoothpick8284]

IMO the navigation of the areas is the hardest part of the game. The bosses aren't too hard.

[@drgreenthumnb]

Majula best hub

[@Lytane]

I agree! I think Firelink is probably more iconic but I love Majula

[@safeforworkgaming6211]

DS2- Reusing the lost life from dying that was used in Demon Souls but this time you can use an item to fully restore your max level. People - Boo! Terrible game design! DS3 - We are going to do the same thing but instead of losing it slowly, you just lose it all at once. However, unlike Demon Souls or DS2, we wont show you what your full health is unless you use the rare item to restore it. People - Woohoo! Best DS game! I think since most people (both you and me) started with DS1, we were used to not losing any health when dying. However, out of all the actual souls games, DS1 is the only one without health lost.

[@NisseDood]

Getting cursed in DS1.That shit is painful because it becomes a long treck back to get an item to remove it unless you shopped one beforehand. So have fun if getting cursed in the sewers by the basilisks.

[@jdrok5026]

Ds1 has the curse mechanic

[@Lytane]

In DS3 every time you used an ember it was basically "Have a bonus to your health" rather than restoring it so it doesn't feel the same. If you die twice in a row you don't lose more health the second time, that's it. It feels more like a risk/reward for using an ember where every death adds up in DS2 making the game generally more annoying. I haven't played DsS so I'm not sure what they did there but if it's the same then I'm probably not going to like it there either lol

[@safeforworkgaming6211]

@@jdrok5026 Forgot about the curse mechanic. Tiss so rare (except if you are unlucky against Seth or just chill with the curse frogs) that I didnt remember it.

[@safeforworkgaming6211]

@@Lytane It is still the same concept. You could say that your half health (or 3/4 health if you have the ring) is your standard health and having it max out is the bonus. However, unlike the other games, you just slowly lose that bonus instead of it instantly going away. It is all basically the same mechanic except you are given the full information in DS2 while it remains hidden to you in DS3. At least in DS2, the bonus doesnt instantly go away after a death but is slowly reduced.

[@yunleung2631]

Does it still have the best PVP by far?

[@Lytane]

You know what? I don’t know! I played this way late so there aren’t too many players around. That and I have never been too into the PvP so I can’t judge. But from what I’ve seen, with the power standing, the amount of weapons and armour being more cosmetic makes it a lot of fun. The few times I was invaded were better than my DS1 experience so that’s a plus!

[@NisseDood]

Yes. Its still fairly easy to invade if you download blue accolyte mod to get cheat protection, unlimited cracked orbs and make so it searches all areas for invadable people instead of just the zone you are in. DS1 is known for having the worst pvp because of backstab fishing.

[@lilbubbamane]

Spoiler alert: DS2 still rules. DS2 haters got low ADP!

[@Lytane]

Hahaha that was me, but when I leveled it up, I started to enjoy the game, so you are 100% right!

[@asdfghjkllkjhgfdsa8725]

"So ds3 came out and i heard it was similar to 1" Someone lied to you. Also bb is closer to ds1 than ds3 is...

[@Lytane]

I haven't played DS1, DS3 or BB in many years so I might be a little hazy on this but how is BB similar to DS1? The combat is so much faster and kinetic, the armor is different, the trick system, the health system the world. I don't know. At least with DS3, while faster than DS1 it isn't as crazy if you don't want it to be. I do think that DS1 and 3 are more similar than BB at least

[@safeforworkgaming6211]

15:25 - "No one is going to do that unless they are farming" Me who always clear out the co-op areas before facing rhe boss: Are you sure about that 😉

[@Lytane]

Hahaha there are always exceptions! I also did this in Tseldora where the bonfire is with the spiders. Kill them all, rest and repeat until they despawned because they were so annoying to deal with otherwise!

[@queenluci6664]

Why scholar? Why not vanilla?

[@Lytane]

As I said in my video, scholar is just way easier to get and is more accessible. Being on ps4 which is compatible with ps5, with all of the patches and DLC included sounds like the definitive edition. It’s what I thought any way. But after finishing it and looking up some videos I found out how different the two versions are and I think I probably would have had more fun with Vanilla as it isn’t so gank heavy. If I ever replay it, I’d try vanilla and see if it does solve some of my complaints

[@NisseDood]

@@Lytane Scholar actually nerfed zones also like Shrine of amana and Dragon Aire. Those places where way gangkier and worse than any ganks Sotf added. The part before 2nd last bonfire in shrine of amana is the most obvious part because you can pull the melee dudes without aggroing the spellcasters because they got shorter aggro range.

[@bishblaize]

@@NisseDoodscholar didn’t nerf SOA. It reduced the range of casters, but it also nearly doubled the number of enemies in the middle section, and added a drakekeeper knight and a dragonrider. It’s not even close.

[@NisseDood]

@@bishblaize the dragon rider is so out of the way and only exists to draw attention to the room with the kings soul and armor set and he despawns when you kill the king. The drake keeper got really short aggro range so you can just walk around him to kill the casters so you will pretty much ignore him automatically because most people will focus on the casters

[@disinterestedhomo6002]

It's not even git gud. There's no level of good you can get that will make it less frustrating.

[@DieselOverGas]

Sounds like you aren't gud

[@disinterestedhomo6002]

@@DieselOverGas not good enough for ds2 sotfs I will happily admit. Thinking about it gives me rage

[@DieselOverGas]

@disinterestedhomo6002 so how would you know it doesn't make sotfs less frustrating?

[@yunleung2631]

You should play vanilla instead of the scholar of the first sentence which is terrible

[@disinterestedhomo6002]

@@yunleung2631 idk if you can get vanilla on ps4 or 5

[@GilbertTheGilbertGuy]

Tbh adp is perfectly fine. Shields arent as useful in 3 either. Hell even in 1 they're more of a handicap. Also people talk about the punishment in 2 when human effigies are FAR more common than embers but no one talkd about how you lose health in ds3 . Most issues with ds2 apply to 1 and 3. And just note i have 100% in all 3 souls games so im not just some ds3 hater. From what i can see the biggest issues are that its not darksouls 1 again

[@Lytane]

I relied on shields, so I played with that handicap 😅 But in DS1 when you died, you lost the ability to summon (and maybe some stats, I forget) then in 3 you don't lose health on dying, you lost the bonus health if you had consumed an ember before dying. So if you die while "hollow" you didn't lose any more health. All three games punish you in different ways and I like that 3 gives you a bonus so long as you don't die. In 2 every time you die you lose your max health making the next run harder. Also Human effigies are used in one side quest making them maybe a little more desirable than embers but that's based on the player. You are right though, it wasn't DS1 again and it gained a lot of hate for that reason. Some of it warranted, like the level design, but mostly it should be allowed to be its own thing.

[@GilbertTheGilbertGuy]

@@Lytane You lose about 20-25% of your health when not embered in DS3 which is never mentioned ever. Human effigies are unbelievably common like by the end of every run even my first playthrough I had about 40. There's also the ring of binding which caps out the hollowing. It's a dumb system but you're making a mountain out of an anthill.

[@batchagaloopytv5816]

tell me you know zero about demons souls w/out telling me 😂😂😂😂luv these guys

[@Lytane]

I have only played Demon's Souls for about 30min on the PS3 back in the day, and I don't really remember it. So yep, I know basically nothing about Demon's Souls. Probably a good thing as I'm talking about DS2 now

[@zachtaylor5312]

Most disappointing game ever. So excited day 1 to get it then disbelief at how bad it was.

[@jdrok5026]

How was it really bad most of the arguments against it aren't really all the valid.

[@Lytane]

I didn't get to play this on day one but I feel that bad sentiment. After finally playing through the whole game though I've come to find that it is just different. It has a lot of dips compared to 1 but also a few fantastic ideas and elements.