Is Destiny 2 Free-To-Play Worth Playing in 2022?

[@suly.s8029]

New Light experience was actually pretty good when Warmind and Curse of Osiris was around. Had a lot of decent content that new lights could experience and persuade them to buy newer stuff. Naturally the obvious next move is to sunset 2/3 of the game.

[@STAYIN_ALIVE]

See the problem with your statement here is that Curse of Osiris and Warmind were the two worst expansions we’ve ever gotten.

[@suly.s8029]

@@STAYIN_ALIVE I mean yeah, but it sure as hell was better then whatever the fuck we have now.

[@memecrider3585]

@@suly.s8029 simply no nobody was playing D2 during warmind and coo myself included.

[@coled2424]

yeah but the game wasn't f2p then

[@suly.s8029]

@@coled2424 After Bungie split from Activision they made a good part of the game F2P. Curse of Osiris and Warmind included.

[@derpythecate6842]

As a new light from last season, nothing made sense without my friend to guide me through it. From the quest archiving kiosk which literally is not mentioned, to the story line, to the high cost to entry, it's really confusing and unforgiving for new lights. With no dlcs, even the nightfall missions were sometimes unable to play on certain weeks.

[@DsgSleazy]

Locking nightfalls behind DLC is one of the biggest things I hated when I was F2P and still hate as a paid player, they're one of the best ways to experience the real meat and potatoes of the game yet bungie straight up says "fuck you, go play prophecy or gambit or some shit until you wanna give us $200 for a game you barely get to experience".

[@sopcannon]

I have been a beta player since d1, i didn't know that kiosk existed until 6 months ago.

[@matinspace8494]

ok but if you buy the keys, which is what I did, to the old seasons/dlcs that are more then enough to unlock 70% of campains and stuff, you spend max $50/60... Instant gaming and the like are a thing and it's not illigal. Even so before purchasing anything I was still doing pretty well, only thing is that as a free to play you don't exp as fast

[@brandon10301991]

The cost to entry is not high. If you spend $200 for the game then youre dumb. You can get all the available content for $50 on CDkeys. If you must have Lightfall just wait for like two months and it will be down to $30 on there as well. Thats $80 total for the cost to entry which is less than most people paid to play the new CoD and theres a fuck ton more content than cod.

[@slipipipi7971]

@@matinspace8494 hook a new light up, what site did you use? Cus FTP sucks ass

[@maxw4574]

no, no it isn’t

[@ghaulz4311]

Very true, but sad at the same time.

[@agotiprime7687]

I was going to say the same thing but that’s why the game is free

[@sexiestmf]

All the goodies are locked away behind the bread.

[@nocontender6409]

@@sexiestmf So what you're saying is that the paid game has gluten, and free to play is gluten free?🧐

[@LifeThreatingBanana]

Agreed

[@ForgieDusker]

experiences like this, for ongoing MMO-esque games that have gone on as long as Destiny 2 or Warframe, is why i'm a firm believer that new players are gonna need a veteran to take them under their wing. for Destiny, it's to help tell the new light what visual overload they can ignore and to decipher whatever's going on, and for Warframe it's the same but the vet needs to coach the fresh meat on literally everything because the tutorial is about as useful as a sword in the Atheon fight.

[@arckage]

Literally....I started off and joined a lfg and added a guy who played the game a lot and he taught me the essentials and then over time i just looked for stuff that i thought was cool and started grinding. The hardest part about destiny is finding like-minded ppl to play with long term... especially when your new. You wont get the full experience as a solo player in a highly cooperative based game.

[@Davon85J]

Warfare is system overload. That shit needs streamlined badly

[@nycto5335]

My issue getting new players in is the lack of any decent free content with a hook. I am fully capable of explaining stuff to them and all that but ya can see my struggle when console f2p players cannot even queue with friends and even if they could there would not really be a good hook imo.

[@ForgieDusker]

@@nycto5335 yeah, i hate the fact that until next season there's only a single F2P raid. aside from PvP and GMs (which are unrealistic for F2P players since they don't have access to most pinnacles), there's really no other "endgame" activity. the least they could do is make Garden F2P since nobody normal likes it, anyway lmao

[@RedShadowOfSaturn]

@@Davon85J I've started Warframe several times brand new over the past year or two. This is 100% a lie.

[@Adam.Clark.]

I personally think a lot of this can be improved, purely adding just the red war story missions, because we know they can do that without adding all of the destinations back

[@1Albedo]

red war as a new light back in shadowkeep was sick tbh. fell in love with this game fast and one of the reasons was that, and mars.., and the whisper.., and zero hour.., yea you get the point, it was fun back then. also the reason that i mentioned zero and whisper is because they actually tought me stuff, other than the normal "scan this and kill him" kind of thing today's new lights get to see and.., uhhhm.., yea let's not talk about the "learning the light" quest.

[@jonahbrown5669]

Adam, don't you go to Io for the Red War?

[@Mariocat99]

Returning the book of memories would be epic. Replaying the Red War and Forsaken missions as many times as you want would be nice

[@Adam.Clark.]

@@jonahbrown5669 that's why I just said the missions without bringing back entire locations

[@_Smiddy_]

Even as a vet I’d still love to go back and do the red war missions as nostalgia because the campaign was a genuinely good story, and was a huge part of the story’s state now.

[@hex8881]

A few changes that would hook New Lights. 1.) Weapons tutorial, Loot Rarity tutorial, mechanics tutorial, any of these would help new players. 2.) Bring back past campaigns up to Forsaken as f2p, with the Witch Queen Hard Mode model. These campaigns are peak content, with intriguing stories that would entice new players. Hard mode difficulty and rewards makes progression enticing and rewarding for new players or veterans. I know people who would love to challenge Ghaul or the Scorn Barons on extremely hard difficulties for the sheer thrill. 3.) A clear progression questline for the start of the game. Yes, you want to try everything but throwing every game mode and activity in a new player's face is overwhelming and not everyone has the time to play Destiny at the level veteran players do. 4.) Explain how armour and weapons work, Armor 3.0 is confusing to people who don't know how armour and weapon stats work, like how range on a sniper gives more aim assist in pvp. 5.) In depth numerical descriptions of mods. Quick Access Sling used to be a free Quickdraw perk, but it was nerfed and now people can be confused on why they don't notice a difference in handling. Quantify how mods affect weapons and armor, like reload mods and scavenger mods, all of these have had changes throughout Destiny 2's existence and New Lights won't know what those changes are. Implement any of these, and the game would improve. Some quality-of-life changes that would help New Lights and returning players, while also helping veterans.

[@DsgSleazy]

They should also get red war and these campaigns should be additional downloads so they can uninstall when they're done to save space.

[@imtableship1703]

Even if they didn't give you the entire campaign because of storage constraints, having the first few missions in the Last City and EDZ to teach you how light works before having a large, optional cinematic to summarize the sunset storylines would get them hooked in the lore and gameplay. This is coming from a New-ish Light that started playing in the summer of 2019 and made it to the Farm before getting busy with my newborn child and coming back this March post-sunset because I've been trying to get into playing with my D1Y1 dad for years, after never having the funds or time

[@hex8881]

@@imtableship1703 It can be a bit of a challenge, I've met people who joined during Witch Queen from the hype at launch, and they have said it took a while for them to get invested. Maybe have the missions from the past campaigns in a separate sandbox environment for the missing planets? That way they wouldn't need to bring back a massive amount of data, but instead do select missions to introduce new players to the game.

[@imtableship1703]

@@hex8881 yea, but then you might as well just launch the sunset content as their own game, which would seem too much of a challenge for new players.

[@vortex5981]

Bungie-“write that down, WRITE THAT DOWN”

[@monosito59]

I feel like they should have kept the red war finding your light missions and just have them slightly updated for the 3.0 changes. That mission was a really nice way to mechanically get you used to how most of that shit works, in a cool space (thats still in the game) on top of sprinkling lore throughout it to give a sense what that class represents. As someone who never got a chance to play D1 and started with D2 at launch, it was a pretty cool thing to go through to sort of learn the ropes.

[@1Albedo]

yea, i started at the lauch of F2P on shadowkeep and it was really fun. i miss it a lot.

[@monosito59]

@The Omnissiah I was mostly talking about the part where they unlock the other subclasses beyond the starting one. But I agree that the nature of D2 isnt f2p. The "f2p" is literally a glorified demo and should be marketed as such. But if they Gave a PROPER start and orientation to new lights, regardless of whether they pay for the main expansions, it would go a long way towards player retention.

[@itsmehere1]

I think they should have just kept the red war in general, almost all, if not 100% of the areas and other content needed for the red war is still in the game anyways and it would be the literal best free campaign for new lights.

[@SLIKZRKK]

@@monosito59 I like to say that it's f2p but you have to p2e (pay to enjoy)

[@monosito59]

@@SLIKZRKK Its free to try. Theres not much engaging content beyond the free initial mission everyone gets at the beginning of every season and at the beginning of a new expansion. Literally a slight step above a beta at this point lol

[@theunderdog9353]

Before they decided to vault 4 campaigns, the New Light experience was great. It's what got me back into D2. Plenty of stories, gear and endgame activities. When they removed it, they removed like 99% of the New Light experience. You're basically just stuck with Strikes, Gambit, Cricible and world activities on the free worlds. You can do a bit of Exotic grinding but that's really it lol. As someone who bought every expansion with over 500 hours in the game to anyone considering to try the f2p experience, I say; go for it. Install the game and play through the intro missions. If you don't like it, just stop. No harm done. If you do like the feel of the game, however, then just buy Witch Queen to start. It has the best campaign to date with plenty of content and really good Exotics. If you really want to know the story, however, just buy all of the other campaigns too. They're not nearly as long or good as WQ, but they do have nice content of their own, like raids and Exotics, but my main recommendation is WQ

[@mr.randomperson9900]

It makes me a bit angry tbh, my friends allll play it and I’m just sat here with no dlcs. I find it incredibly stupid to lock almost allll content behind dlcs and then sell them for essentially the price of a new game. I get D2 was never a F2P game, but it is not cool to literally screw over F2P players and force them purchase dlc or just sit there and repeat the same things over and over. Am I insane for thinking that?

[@theunderdog9353]

@@mr.randomperson9900 Well, you did say it; it's not exactly a f2p game. The whole point of the game's f2p aspect is to give you an idea of what the game is so you can decide if it's worth investing in. That said, with all the year 1 content being vaulted, it's very jarring to get into the game for new players. If you have played the game for a while and enjoy it though, why not just get some of the expansions? You could get the Legacy Edition for like 30 bucks on G2A and then you'd have 2 campaigns, their raids and all the gear and weapons for Forsaken. That's a pretty solid deal imo

[@mr.randomperson9900]

@@theunderdog9353 well, I just don’t particularly like the idea of spending all that money. I’ve considered it, but I’ve got lots of other important things to purchase as of right now. However, they are on sale right now, so what dlc would you recommend rn if I where to buy one? Also, the reason I dislike it is because it’s predatory. Every dlc is essentially the cost of another game, and if you don’t purchase it your screwed. They vaulted half the f2p content and just didn’t care. It’s a predatory practice, and I don’t like it. I enjoy the game, but I don’t want to have to spend money in order to enjoy a game

[@theunderdog9353]

@@mr.randomperson9900 Well, the Legacy Collection will give you Shadowkeep and Beyond Light with access to all the Forsaken comtent that's not vaulted, so I'd say that's the most bang for your buck. It's also the start of the Light and Dark saga, which we are currently still in, so you'll atleast have an idea of what's going on. That said, WQ is the best content in the game rn, but it's much less content than Legacy. Then there's Lightfall, but I wouldn't recommend it. The campaign is literally a TV show filler episode. As for the predatory practices, Destiny 2 is an MMO. It handles things a lot like other MMO's, so yes, every expansion is going to be the next big thing that they want you to get. That said, if you were to get Legacy or WQ, it's not like you can't enjoy it anymore or that you're screwed just because you don't have Lightfall. All the QoL changes brought with Lightfall are available to those without Lightfall too. You can still make crazy builds and save your loadouts. Hell, you can even do that without buying anything. New expansions don't take away from the old ones. They just add to the overall game. Is it always worth it? No, but as far as MMO's go, and I've played a fair few, this game's monetization is mild, relatively speaking. I do understand that it may not be your top priority in terms of spendage. Of course your obligations come first and of course you can have different hobbies or games that you'd rather invest in, that's normal. Just saying, it's not that bad imo and most of the content is a solid purchase, but at the end of the day, that's all subjective

[@BlueBerry-oj2zz]

Trying to get friends to play destiny 2 is such a pain because I have to try and get them to look past all of the boring ftp stuff and get them to see all of the cool wq and seasonal stuff. I just wish there was something to get new lights hooked.

[@BrainWasherAttendent]

Bungie kind of shot themselves in the foot when they deleted half the game. How do you get new players interested if there is no story and no actual path to understand what is even happening

[@-LowResDream]

Unless your friends are willing to fork over enough to buy every dlc 9/10 times with the history destiny has ppl arent going to want to play it. Literally none of my friends consider it and i dont blame them. I only play when i have nothing to do on any other game and even then i dont want to play cause its so pay to play for every single aspect of the game.

[@sovl2178]

You can't get people into destiny...

[@algammond]

Gambit is what convinced me to buy the game lol

[@ToyotaCorolla-en2mv]

​@@BrainWasherAttendent they added an in game explanation of what happened in past expansions. Also what do you want them to do? If they add all that stuff back it's just make the game larger which fucks over console players or ppl with low storage in general. It would also make it harder for them to update the game as fast as they have been and you know mfs would just switch back to bitching about that cause they don't understand that it's not really possible to have both. Anyone who's says they'd rather sacrifice more frequently updates and overall a more polished game just for old content that most people won't play is lying to themselves. The new light experience has always been quite shallow, it functions more as a demo without the time limit, it's basically just if you like the game recently enough from new light then you buy the expansions so you can actually play. Destiny 2 is not a free game, it's a paid game with some free content for those who are unsure if they want to pay yet.

[@itsmehere1]

I think the thing that could be the most beneficial for new lights is the seasons, they have plenty of content and are also at the $10 price that makes them actually favorable for new players that arnt willing to spend $100-200 to get the actual campaigns right away. But I also think the new lights should also be given a full campaign to make it worth getting into like most free to play games, currently we just have a bunch of small content that doesn't really link to each other (pretty much just the scraps) but if they would have kept something like the red war campaign and had it in the free content like before beyond light and the great sunseting I think that would be SOOOOO much better and would make new players much more interested in buying other campaigns and becoming long term players.

[@DsgSleazy]

Shit would literally be solved if they gave them red war, I see a lot of people suggesting forsaken but it doesn't make sense as it would ruin the already garbage flow of events.

[@itsmehere1]

@@DsgSleazy yeah, that's what I said, they should have kept the red war in the legacy mode like how it was pre beyond light. It would give new lights a full length campaign that's still a good campaign and it would also make them want to buy the new campaigns because they will have gotten a taste of some actual story parts of destiny unlike the current pile of leftover smaller activities. Or the least they could do is make shadowkeep free, and I'm not talking for only a few weeks before it's Thanos snapped away, I'm talking like a full year or more, they should have made it free when Witch Queen launched. And it would even make more sense in the current storyline than red war since it was kinda the start of the darkness storyline.

[@cartho1103]

They really need Shaw Han to break the 4th wall and explain some of the mechanics of the game. Like a quick 1 minute tutorial of him telling you about the different loot rarities and what exotics are. It's pretty dumb to make a new character specifically for new lights and he doesn't explain how the game works. Bungie really needs to set aside a season for re structuring the game and making it more accessible to new players and casuals.

[@codrs2662]

What “loot rarity’s? Because on eve you get full legendsry there’s only two rarity’s legendary and exotic 🤡

[@JL-mf6vy]

It won’t even break the fourth wall. Loot rarity and exotics are things established in the lore of destiny already they just didn’t bother with it because Bungie hates new lights

[@RegenAgent]

@@codrs2662 why are you so pissed off? And by loot rarities he also means other things such as stats, weapon types, buffs and debuffs etc

[@WillheWas]

Would love it if like once you meet up with Shaw he showed the destiny universe equivalent to an orientation presentation for new guardians rather than a 4th wall break to keep the new lights immersion going. (It'd also add more personality to Shaw which I think he deserves.)

[@Volonid]

Bungie kinda hate New lights, and only made the game ftp for those new lights to get a taste and end up buying the dlc

[@UndeadTree]

Nightfall's can be locked behind DLC depending on the map.

[@unbreakablestone052]

The free to play experience was never this complex nor should it ever be this complex, naturally bungie sunset ALL of the free to play content(which was good content) and replaced it with this hot mess, I don't care if they slow down the season or if the quality of activities goes down for a little while, but they NEED to fix whatever the hell is happening to those poor new players

[@aygaion2295]

The problem is, the quality of the activities never got up, so if it drops more the game is fucked them.

[@stego-2350]

Also power creep, they said they fixed it but having to grind for two days to actually start a nightfall is not that good

[@DsgSleazy]

@@stego-2350 Don't get why people said they fixed it, a lot of people were fucked because they couldn't do the good content because bungie threw like 200 levels at us lmao.

[@mahito2570]

I tried free to play did every ftp main story quest avaliable then hit paywall to continue with story which sux shit even warframe has a better ftp

[@r4yker442]

@@mahito2570 warframe can be played basically as long as servers are up as FTP player - premium currency can be traded between player - only paid content is said premium currency and cosmetics In destiny 2 only premium currency is silver, but true cost is hidden in DLCs that you are forced to buy in order to progress (in warframe premium currency is optional and is used to bypass RNG)

[@DoubleOFourtyThree]

They should definitely just lower the cost of the previous years DLC’s drastically. Like if a player is liking the game, they can buy beyond light or shadow keep for $20 each or maybe even both.

[@wetbread616]

Yes that’s exactly what we need, unfortunately this will most likely happen when lightfall releases and destiny two becomes dead. Bungo will probably use it to rekindle a destiny two player count

[@Schnaggels]

Is actually happening right now…if there weren’t so many other games to play, I‘d definitely grab them, including witch queen…as I understood there‘ll be no more sunsetting for current content…vaulting missions is another topic…no idea. Destiny 1 got me disappointed pretty much in the past …should I give it another go? 🫣🤔

[@DoubleOFourtyThree]

@@Schnaggels I would definitely start with Witch Queen while its cheep. It's a great campaign and worth the money for that alone

[@Schnaggels]

@@DoubleOFourtyThree I went for legacy collection and witch queen. Maybe legacy wouldn’t have been necessary… of course now I‘m a bit overwhelmed and not sure where to start first…still witchqueen in your opinion? Any absolute useless stuff I can ignore from the past or has any dlc it‘s perks not to miss out on? Thanks for the advice 🤘

[@DoubleOFourtyThree]

@@Schnaggels I'd start with Witch Queen, then Beyond Light. It's weird to play them in backwards order but its still fun

[@willborder1341]

I started as a new light at the launch of Shadow keep with lots of free content thrown at me it was a fun time with 2 free expansions and the Levi raids. I can say for sure if I started now I would of quit in a week with the lack of free player content.

[@shawnbriscoe1332]

😲 ....better experience than mine.

[@1Albedo]

yea, only OGs like us know how it was back in the day to be a new light. the true new light expirience.

[@tunnelingkiller4677]

True my friend introduced me at the start of shadowkeep too and loaded me and my other friend into the intro mission for it. I did a bunch of stuff with them and they taught me everything I know now. I would’ve been forever lost if I started anywhere past Beyond Light

[@brilejohnrpg2212]

It was a great experience to play it that year.

[@DsgSleazy]

@@1Albedo I technically started around that time too but quit and came back during season of the hunt, after all the vaulting bs, literally the only reason I didn't quit during that garbage new light experience and running into all the paywalls was because I was already an established fan from D1 so I didn't have a problem buying forsaken (after reading a lot of reviews of course) along with the season pass and SK + BL after I got addicted when I realized I dumped in like 100 hours in a little under 2 weeks. However, I assume most new lights aren't in that position and it's an utterly stupid system they've created and pretty predatory if I'm being honest. Because in no way is this a real F2P game.

[@typhir5911]

I made a F2P account back during Shadowkeep to figure out what my friends were seeing as you can't share quest objectives and it was about as atrocious as this was, only back then, F2P actually had a lot more content back then than they do today. Bungie really needs to revamp the new player experience. It doesn't work to suddenly throw people into the seasonal quest upon load in or the Witch Queen main campaign's first quest. It is incredible confusing to ask people to go to the War Table, but actually mean for them to go to the Crown of Sorrow, and then not be able to interact because they haven't done Operation Midas yet. This lack of care towards their new players only hurts them in the long run. Also, the DLC spam needs to go. Aside from your subscription idea, I would say that a one package for all the DLC would be best instead of the current piecemeal approach of "oh you want to play this week's nightfall? Fork over $20 to get Forsaken." The Legacy bundle doesn't quite work here, because the Witch Queen is a separate purchase. and even then you would need the Deluxe Edition to get access to everything. A new player would probably just drop the game because of all the side purchases needed, never mind the overall confusion as what is actually even happening in game as there isn't even a cutscene for them to get acquainted and caught up with the plot. There is a mere couple of paragraphs about what happened previously in the timeline on the Destination page, but that is insufficient as new people won't know who any of the important players are from that.

[@gnomeomontague]

It was actually pretty awesome in 2019, before Bungie gutted everything so the game could load 2 kilobytes per second faster on outdated consoles. You got two DLCs for free, the entire Red War base game, free raids, and more

[@grapeape4589]

It honestly wasn’t just consoles, and that isn’t why they did it. Like yeah it boosted load times(on consoles and anyone on pc who has a hard drive which is most people), but they did it because they literally could barely develop anything fast. Have you noticed how much faster stuff is updated since vaulting happened?

[@nameunknown5106]

@@grapeape4589 yeah, its faster because they copy and paste old assets instead of developing much actually new

[@LeadCodpiece]

@@grapeape4589 no I can’t but I noticed how enemies teleport since bl and sunsetting occured

[@grapeape4589]

@@nameunknown5106 homie i dont mean content updates, thats an entirely different issue. Im talking about balance patches. Before beyond light, OP shit wouldn't be touched for MONTHS. Nowadays its like a week or two and its mainly cause they have to gather data.

[@grapeape4589]

@@LeadCodpieceIf you didn't get faster load times then its simply something wrong with your PC/Console. Everyone i knew that had a hard drive at the time went from about 2 minutes on the title screen to about 1 minute at MOST.

[@jojofoofoo4427]

Started playing for the last 3 weeks completely f2p, even with the huge downsides of being locked out of DLCs, I enjoyed playing it. Love this video!

[@shawnbriscoe1332]

Two friends made me play Destiny and Destiny 2. I started Destiny around 2019 into 2020. At the end of 2020 I had beaten Destiny and started Destiny 2. I was lost. My friend bought me all of the expansions, but he stopped playing regularly because of work/kids. So I ended up spending a good month on KZbin trying to figure out where to start in the game. Overall I hate content vaulting. Bungie should've made the older content either a download to your drive or a disc you can buy. After going through all of that just to figure how to start Destiny 2 I cannot recommend it to new players. I always steer people away from the game, and most people who learn that the content they pay for goes away in a year, really don't like that anyway.

[@DsgSleazy]

The fact that most of us fans can agree that we shouldn't reccomend this free game to new players is honestly sad, bungie needs to tighten tf up.

[@swervo3151]

they take away the dlc you bought after a year?

[@shawnbriscoe1332]

@@swervo3151 During the recent Destiny 2 Showcase for Season of the Plunder, Bungie announced they will no longer vault content.

[@mariobadia4553]

@@shawnbriscoe1332 That means absolutely NOTHING unless they promise either refunds for vaulted content or to put said content back in the game.

[@phnx_tom5400]

We need Red War back as a introduction for new players. Everything else makes no sense storywise and gameplaywise

[@DsgSleazy]

I had to watch like 10 hours of byf to know what the fuck was going on.

[@Skellotronix]

This game makes less sense than Warframe and Kingdom Hearts combined at this point. More convoluted than Shin Megami Tensei. More complex than the Halo successor it's supposed to be should have. It's got paywalls for half the shit in the game. I started 2 weeks ago and both weeks Xur brought shit I couldn't buy because I don't own the moon DLC or something. Not to mention you need PS+ or X Box Live just to play in strikes and do some free shit like Ketchkiller or whatever it is. You can do Dares, public events including the special ones on the moon and Dreaming City. You can get up to whatever seasonal cap for power level is. But no strikes, no crucible, no Iron Banner, Trials, etc. It's basically a glorified demo. But no other game has the mix of fun class building and great gunplay. I hate aim assist but that's a different point.

[@mariobadia4553]

@@Skellotronix doesn't even have a codex like ME1 did to explain to new players what everything is and who these characters are.

[@timothymoore2966]

Peak destiny was season of arrivals right before beyond light. So much content in the game that was actually enjoyable

[@Lonzology]

Yup 100% agree

[@bdpSovietafr0]

A Remastered campaign of sorts, like a cut-down Red War that changes up how they introduce the Hive (go through the cosmodrome and use the battlegrounds mission to introduce combat) would be awesome. Even if it was only like 4 hours long, it would have some cohesion. Warframe in some ways does a *LOT* for F2P players story wise nowadays even if its a mess otherwise.

[@jaredcook3376]

They should actually create a new light campaign that basically covers red war, and the major points of CoO, warmind and forsaken. After actually playing missions with story players would be more incentivized to play the daily activities and buy new dlc and seasonal stuffs.

[@DsgSleazy]

Best idea I've heard so far.

[@capuducul]

as it stand the current state of the game is a giant warning to not invest any money in the DLC.

[@emilsingapurcan8054]

The derelict leviathan being f2p is really nice, but i cant get engram focusing or any of the sever weapons So trying to farm the opulent weapons for crafting access is really tough because its pure and slightly stingy rng

[@Kabo_]

As a free to play destiny player, the amount of content that is paywalled is honestly sad. It’s actually impossible to play this game free to play seriously. You can’t even play a nightfall if the weekly strike happens to be from an expansion.

[@Grassouillelafripouille]

You have to see it like demo, Destiny isn't free to play at all and they should advertise it as such

[@stego-2350]

I think the funniest thing is these brain dead people that have been playing the game since launch don’t see a problem, like it’s fucking sad how blind they are to the fact that this game is so ass for new players, the points that sweat just mad with raids and dungeons being the only reason you should play as a new light is fine, but there is no way in hell that you can do that alone or know how to find people to do it. I personally have a problem with the PvP aswell, it being broken half the time with pay walled weapons dominating the meta

[@Grassouillelafripouille]

@@stego-2350 I agree with you, New light experience is really Bad and a lot of New player just stop playing the game because of it

[@solidsnakeshugecake]

I don't even have every dlc I'm missing beyond light and forsaken and I literally can't even play one of the main game activities if it is on a certain week, but yet I can play forsaken strikes in the normal strike playlist which makes 0 sense.

[@solidsnakeshugecake]

@@stego-2350 it's so obvious they're doing it on purpose too, they make dungeons separate paid content. What next? Raids will be payed separate from expansions? At this rate I wouldn't be surprised

[@ThrottleFox]

It was really hard to get into Destiny 2 as a new player, been playing just over a week. Earth start was decent pace and showed me the ropes, right up till I went to the tower for the 1st time and had the "talk to these 7 people" and given a bunch of random quests. If a friend didn't buy me Witch Queen I probably would of quit. The mod system sucks, most videos about builds are unobtainable fantasies as I don't have and may never get the required mods. I enjoy the gun play mixed with space magic, but its hard to want to stay in game sometimes due to the little things that out right ruin the fun...like mods

[@antoniologiudice5499]

as much as i love destiny the mods system sucks.if they want it to be like this AT LEAST MAKE IT A ROTATION,NOT JUST RANDOM.i check ada1 every day and many mods are redundant. the only reason i have 62/71(?) is because i've played everyday for the past months before witch queen and before solar 3.0 during season of the lost.if i had to start now i'd never get the mods i have

[@Skellotronix]

@@antoniologiudice5499 I just started 2 weeks ago and have a bunch of good well mods and orb mods and such. I don't have everything but yeah the mods need to drop waaay more from waaaay more sources.

[@lucentvoid1200]

Red war to forsaken best new light experience in my opinion. But now...i feel bad for the newer lights.

[@achillelevivier1680]

True

[@EatYoWaffles]

I got my partner into D2 recently and have been helping her with the New Light stuff. I honestly have no idea how a new player is supposed to navigate anything without a literal Sherpa to help them. Completely overwhelming experience with very poor and often buggy descriptions and guidance for quest lines (of which you're given like 20-30 off rip with no sense of priority or order). Absolute nightmare.

[@quinn8599]

Finally someone understand that bungie doesn't give a damn about F2P players.

[@leonsoutherland3650]

I’ve been a Destiny player since day 1 of D1. I took a break about a year ago and came back last week. What caught me off guard was the amount of stuff required to buy to have the full game experience. Almost made me quit the game for good. To recap, I spent $40 on Witch Queen, $30 on 30th Anniversary, $10 on season pass, $20 on duality key. That’s $100 nickel and dime’d. Not necessarily complaining about the quality or the quantity of content… I just don’t understand how they plan on really getting new players engaged. It’s so overwhelming even for me, someone who truly loves and believes in the game. Trying to get any more of my friends into the game is nearly impossible. And that’s not even including the insane level of stuff a new person has to learn with almost no guidance from the game itself.

[@leonsoutherland3650]

I may be wrong on the specific prices but you get the idea lol

[@mategido]

I'd argue d2 is one of the hardest games to get into, terrible f2p experience (lot of content but terrible experience), super divided game between a ton of expansions and seasonal content (that's the worst) Let's do a pit of heresy! oh you don't have shadowkeep Let's do a crypt! oh you don't have beyond light don't worry lets do a duality! what how don't you have access to it we were doing seasonal stuff together? oh you need the dungeon key....

[@DarkusNights]

If I remember correctly, FF14 dlc model is if you purchase the latest one it give you all the previous expansions, I remember pre ordering shadow bringers and it gave me Stormblood, in this case if you buy witchqueen it should give you forsaken, shadowkeep so on so forward

[@exeletry]

No

[@Rios-ov3xi]

One thing that’s really atrocious for new players not covered here is the sunset exotic kiosk. Pages and pages of exotics, which you can realistically only get one a week, and free to play, can only get exotics from the first page. They’re extremely expensive, and imo, something like sturm shouldn’t cost ascendant shards. It’s a bit punishing just how many exotics are locked behind a paywall, especially when you’re not really paying for new content in that instance, you’re just paying for the ability to do the same xur quest to get an exotic cypher, just being able to buy guns from a different page. Maybe it’s reasonable, I just really don’t like it. Especially with old season pass weapons being locked behind a paywall as well.

[@knuklz212]

I am a f2p player that has been playing for almost 3 years at this point with over 1000 hrs in game. I joined some time in the season of dawn. The new light experience in terms of content was vastly different, I had 3 campaigns to play with side quests attached to all 3, which i played. I have still not done a single raid or dungeon. the menagerie when it was still around I thought was the best thing, with chaos all around basic puzzle mechanics and bosses with targeted loot, not to mention the top tier aesthetic.haven't actually played the game in a few months now, I got hooked on warframe and have had a much better experience.

[@BeeBeeBeeLol]

The new player experience is absolutely just as bad as Destiny 2's lol! Where you're met with DLC walls on D2, you're met with platinum "walls" on warframe because of the time you're needing to wait to complete crafting frames or weapons. They avidly ignore their dedicated playerbase almost just as much as Destiny 2 from Bungie. Not to mention they've still yet to release such a massive key feature such as cross-play and cross-save in today's gaming space. They announce content so far in advance you begin to think...is it even going to come out at this point? They spend weeks on hotfixes that end up just breaking more shit. They're both dog shit but hey, it's our dog shit I guess.

[@ivyzun8543]

@@BeeBeeBeeLol imo, at least DE listens to player feedback more often than Bungie and doesn't try to kill their own game. Plus, in Warframe, content is only gated by patience and time which can be expedited by paying, so there's an inherent grind, whereas content in D2 is p2p. Just pick your poison really

[@knuklz212]

warframe has content tho, & and i haven't experienced these premium Walls you speak of

[@Slayer_992]

also at leats you can actually play the game's story without paying and everything is free except for some cosmetics

[@kylemiller00able]

I think the biggest slap in the face is as a returning player I’ve had to spend an arm and a leg just so I can play the strikes or raids. And I’m still at a disadvantage because I wasn’t here for certain mods so I just have to sit and wait on RNG

[@stoicrobot395]

We have so many new lights in my new clan! They're great guardians, too, but no great power weapons, nor exotics. We are carrying them through high end content. Last night we carried 2 in VotD. Guy only had crap rocket launcher and Wardcliff. He did 1 mill damage and got raid exotic! Other guy got a cataclysmic. Does Bungie give new lights better RNG? I hope so! Neither has Duality, don't have $20. We run contests and all contribute a buck to buy PS, xbox, or Steam cards for winners. It can help those that cannot afford beyond light or dungeons. This may sound weird but those of us that were Alpha Guardians are keeping the tradition alive. Lastly, I tell new lights to do strikes solo. Helps learn nightfalls.

[@ChoomGuy]

Your clan sounds fun

[@marcoalves7529]

Yeah it makes me want to join their clan lmao

[@elnoobster5473]

Wish i got a clan like that, i started a week ago, had lots of fun doing witch queen and i tought i got it free because of the epic games free 30th dlc but what a surprise i took today, where i say wq and all previus dlcs gone except from bungies 30th anniversary, now i feel there is nothing to do because its all locked, last time i played was when it first became free and i loved playing the first hours of the real d2 campaing wish i could have played more if this is what new played have to experience now

[@mrmatejator]

All these games with years of DLC should give player an option of dropping like 60€ and get them all at once. Because now you have 60€ and player that will pay you 20€ more any time you drop new DLC.

[@Delta-u5f]

They need to streamline the new player stuff, make it make sense. I’m ok with throwing 9 quests at them because it’s an mmo, and that type of game should be almost daunting with the stuff to do. And they should do one quest to unlock all subclasses and all aspects and fragments that way they can start building their character

[@frozentyphoon2049]

This just proves how many bugs there is at the start for new lights. And struggles. Plus you have to wait/earn all the mods which really sucks for new lights

[@LightCrib2]

Now imagine being a F2P solo player

[@Thenchresleth]

Hi.

[@LightCrib2]

@@Thenchresleth i was the same way, but the fomo finessed my wallet, sadly

[@ChumblesMumbles]

Back when I started I was F2P but at the time the new light intro quest was the Red War which was a really cool way to start. I don't like the new Cosmodrome intro quest at all. There's no feel of epicness or theat to it. But the bigger problem is that there are so many different systems that are not introduced at all that brand new players have lots of free content to explore (the planet patrol activities) but can end up spending a ton of time making effectively no progress. At least it's better than last season when they were dropping new lights directly into Dares. That was a disaster. I really don't understand Bungie's stubborn resistance to packaging all prior seasons into a single reasonably priced package. Or adding it into new season cost. The old seasons just aren't current market value anymore. Nobody's going to pay $200 for everything in one go. Give them something else that makes sense.

[@riverfollower7904]

I like to wander around on the cosmodrome and help the new lights, and I added like 12 of them on the past few weeks, and the sad part is that only 1 kept playing. The others never appeared online again Idk If they didn't know that destiny was an RPG, or if they find the game mechanic's and progression... boring...

[@zacharykelso6681]

I played Destiny 2 when it first came out, but it's been years since I've played it, do you think I could maybe get a hold of you and play some time if i start over

[@flameguy3416]

I started to play Destiny 2 in December 2020 because my friends were already playing it since launch, if I didn't have any friends that played Destiny 2 I wouldn't have continued to play, nor would I pay ~100 dollars to get all the content.

[@shawnbriscoe1332]

That's around when my two friends bought me in. I was about to quit, but a friend bought me all of the DLCs and he played PVP with me for awhile; so I had a little hand holding there. I was lost on the story part; but I spent about a month on KZbin catching up and figuring out what expansion to play first.

[@danser_theplayer01]

No, I tried. It's frustrating and I essentially get lost and have nothing to do because all the plot is behind massive paywall of 200+ dollars. This also ruinds the possibility for complete builds.

[@Vugix]

they should definintly make a rotation with the free raid in d2. I personally think that'd be a good idea so new lights can learn them and see if they would like to constantly run them.

[@deccun]

The subscription model he is proposing is literally the worst business decision Bungie could fuckin make

[@MeatusMaximus]

The raid that comes out next season will be free to play too

[@desuzx]

Yeah. From d1.

[@Sandblazter]

I pre-ordered the game and played for a bit then played other games for a while. I just came back a couple months ago confused on why the campaign I paid for was deleted and replaced with paid dlc campaigns. I bought the forsaken dlc and beat it in like 3 or so hours. The next week they made the campaign free. I genuinely feel scammed because without the other dlc there’s barely anything to do other than play the same 5 strikes over and over again

[@gideonkimbrel7181]

I started playing during season of arrivals and thy new light experience back then was actually pretty good

[@actualr4t793]

Probably the best time to be a free to play player

[@gideonkimbrel7181]

@@actualr4t793 Yeah cause we got three free campaigns

[@ThatBeePerson]

So, recently tried to get into D2 Only for it to drop me into fucking lightfall with 0 warning and for me to stumble around as a new light fighting enemies I have never seen as a titan who hadn't even unlocked subclasses or alternative abilities or weapons, being yelled at by characters I have literally never met. Defending a city I hadn't even seen. amazing new player experience, 10/10, why doesn't every game just drop you at the end of the story right when you boot it up?

[@Mugiwara2k]

The game WAS worth playing as F2P when it first started with Shadowkeep, as there was lots of content such as the base campaign, Osiris and Warmind, plus the Playlist activities. I actually recommended it to a few people then, and got them into the game, enough that they bought the expansions because the F2P experience was so good it got them into the game. Now though? Absolutely not. I couldn't reccommend the game to anyone who isn't decently familiar with Destinty already. They scrapped ALL of the campaigns up to Shadowkeep, which was a huge part of what made F2P so enticing. Literally about all that a F2P player can do now is Playlist activities, a few seasonal things and VOG, which isn't a regular pinnacle anymore and is just a reprised raid from the first game. Also, by cutting out HUGE chunks of the game out with 3 campaigns, they took crucial story elements with it... ones that would leave a new player completely lost about what's even happening, or even who many of the characters are. It's insane. So long winded answer; There's no way I think anyone could recommend Destiny 2 F2P in its current state to new players, in good faith anyways. With as barebones and missing in gameplay and story elements that can be experienced anymore, most F2P players would only quit the game very quickly and never return.

[@Skellotronix]

I started 2 weeks ago and am F2P and have been only able to do public activities, dares, and Lost Sectors without PS+. It's BS+. I have quite a few exotics but Xur brings stuff i can't even buy from him cuz of DLC required like he had Twintail Fox and needed Shadowkeep I think, BS. I was saving my exotic cipher for Outbreak Perfected but haven't gotten a single exotic shard or whatever they are. How to get mods sucks fat sacks of cocks. Why not make mods drop from all activities based on rarity and difficulty like Warframe? Aim assist is atrocious. Other than that shit the game is really fun and addictive. The class 3.0 system with all the crazy exotics is really fun, you feel like a Kryptonian with all your powers.

[@baileyradway5841]

ive been playing on an alt account for a little over 6 months now with the sole purpose to get unbroken. at times it isnt all that fun but having that disadvantage for not only leveling but weapons in an engaging problem you have to solve one way or another, finding alternative weapons and loadouts to use that are on par or close to meta builds is challenging but i have to say i think i have gotten as close as you possibly can to meta loadout in destiny 2 FTP. it is extremely satisfying getting legend each season knowing i am one step closer into unlocking it completely free. end of the day i dont think it is worth if for a new player to come into this game alone without any guidance or friends being FTP however if your looking for a fun time i would recommend alting. 7/10 for a recurring player 4/10 for a new player the only thing that i think can improve that score would be playing with friends that are already playing

[@tonybamanaboni4441]

The night watch roll got changed for season 16 but then changed back this season.

[@foist101]

Shadowkeep was THE best time to jump into D2 as a new player, even though it had all those pitfalls of having to catch up with friends it was insane the amount of content you got for free.

[@AllmightyContent]

You can also craft the haunted weapons from the leviathan by just using the opulent keys

[@herolink9530]

I played destiny for over a year without any dlcs. I literally got all my exotics through xur and very rarely through like nfs. I actually hit pinnacle cap but it was not the most fun experience. Eventually I broke down under all the pop ups trying to shove the dlcs down my throat and coughed up all the money to get them. The only issue is that even now months later I havent sorted through all the new content. Ive unlocked stasis on one character but have no aspects or fragments. I havent done shadowkeep, I didn’t get to do forsaken, wq is the only campaign I’ve done fully. What I’m trying to say is it was extremely overwhelming getting all the dlcs at once because suddenly all the things that used to being locked behind a paywall were suddenly lifted and I didn’t know where to go.

[@Spurrrg]

New players usually stop playing because they dont know what is going on or what the fuck to do. The game should not throw 15 quests at them in the very beginning especially if the tutorial does not teach them anything. The new light quest should be the only accessible quest at first. Once the player has completed that, they should be given other quest options.

[@Polaroyce]

i started playing a week ago, i had an experienced friend guide me a bit, but he still forgets to tell me shit sometimes. If i didnt have that at least, no way in hell was i paying this game. the new user experience is horrendous and the UI is dog.

[@DaRealLilG09]

0:44 little did he know he would see it again in 2023

[@epicgamer-tc5gv]

Ya starting as a new player was rough I started half way through beyond light and after doing all the starting missions and getting riskrunner I had no idea what to do and all the different things in the game they just through at you all at once is very overwhelming. I stoped playing but started watching d2 content on KZbin. So when I picked it back up at the start of witch queen I actually had a good time since I already knew how the game worked because of KZbin. Still a f2p and have run out of things to do 200 dollars is a large sum to just have to pay. Wish it was all still on gamepass

[@tommyjackson5520]

God imagine what it's like now as a new light. Especially with the new lightfall campaign, you're practically forced into.

[@SLUGY000]

Why do they think getting rid of the red war mission is a good idea....

[@shawnbriscoe1332]

I don't think they do. They simply want to hoard their content; which is pointless because any hacker could take it no matter what. Hopefully, when Destiny 2 ends or so, they give it back as a Collections Disc. Alot of people who paid for it, would appreciate it.

[@OcarinaOfVali]

@@shawnbriscoe1332 wtf is this hacker stuff

[@RobToGame]

The worst part of New light is having to buy all the sub class upgrades. Takes sooo much glimmer and as a new light you don't have any materials to buy extra glimmer. Should be able to level up the subclasses through playing naturally.

[@Swordkiller55623]

sad part is that you used to actually be able to do this. Before they introduced season passes and the like, you would Level Up your Guardian and at specific level thresholds would be when you would unlock your subclass upgrades.

[@WiggsP5]

9:19 Destiny 2 was on Gamepass for Beyond Lights year. I was already on Gamepass and got access to all of D2s Beyond Light's content. Hell, I played during Arrivals before D2 went on Gamepass so that was a good time doing the free campaigns. After doing those campaigns me and my S/O decided to get Forsaken just as Gamepass announced they where adding Destiny to their roster. the only benefit is that im still able to play half the vaulted forsaken content. Which i have barely touched recently Honestly, even while on Gamepass I personally got all the 4 seasons of Beyond Light and went to rank 100. If it wasnt for Gamepass, i wouldnt have stuck around, eve after my S/O has dropped the game entirely after Destiny 2 left Gamepass. And yes when it left gamepass i lost all my stasis and access to Shadow Keep and Beyond Light content, but i had no reason to re purchase them other then Stasis subclass which i feel puts me at a disadvantage when playing against it. But im digressing here. I got Witch Queen cause of all the build up and the story as well as the challange of the Legendary Campaign which i did solo and attempted Vow day 1. It was a blast and i feel like i got my moneys worth. But i have not gotten the current 2 seasons cause if its not good content, i aint playing it. Its sad too see the current Demo. I mean. Free to Play experience of D2 in its current setting. At least with Red War, Curse of Osiris and Warmind you experienced the story and characters of this game which, in my opinion, was plenty of time to form a connection to the franchise and a propper informed opinion on the game as a whole. Modern day Demo has a shell of that experince. I think i have rambled alot, but ultimatly, that subscription model worked to get me hooked on for the next major expansion building up in the year i played. Its plenty of time to explore the content of the past as well as check out the modern pinnacle activities. But looking at Bungies current... decisions. I feel like i wont get Lightfall out of principle and just watch what happens on youtube, just like how ive treated the past 2 seasons story content. The issue and reasoning is very complex for bringing in players, while also retaining players, whithout trying to bring in Pay 2 win aspects but making the paid content very appeasing. Its a myriad of issues that has no one single answer. In the end, I think its just bungie biting off more then they can chew at best, and predatory / greedy decisions of the higher ups at worst

[@shawnbriscoe1332]

Wow, so in the early days it was better! I started around November 2020 and was lost. I kept getting DLC ads thrown at me, so it was all money to me. A friend was so adamant that I play he bought all the DLCs for me, and played with me. Hm....now that I think about it, I wouldn't have continued if not for him! 😅 I've grown to like Destiny 2; but it needs alot of improvement. I give it a 7; and I never encourage any new players to play because of content vaulting.

[@brilejohnrpg2212]

I started playing Destiny 2 as a Free player on October 4, 2019. I got to say I've spent days playing this with the contents available until Beyond Light launched that disappointed us and what's worse about it is there wasn't any Legendary engrams dropping untill Season of the Splicer launched that re-added Legendary engrams on the drop lists. When The Witch Queen launched it gave us new sets of weapons to play around with.

[@ren880t9]

I became a new light in season of the splicer and bought beyond light first day I played because some friends were going to help me understand destiny but I never knew being a free to play new light was this bad

[@shawnbriscoe1332]

I started around that time too! Yet, I was lost. It took me about a month to figure how to start Destiny 2. I didn't play that much; but I played 100% in Season of the Lost. By then I found my way around the game.

[@connorjuday1118]

(warning a lot of text) I actually got to experience the same thing since I am a new player and started right around when this video was being made. I came back to destiny from playing d1 when it came out. The new light experience is actually imo really good, however I did hate the fact that all the dlc is so expensive and how much they like to just throw you into things. When I booted up the game on my second day of playing when I was light level 1370 I was put into that campaign mission with no idea what was going on. The fact I also have to own the expansion where an exotic comes from to use it is ridiculous. I shouldn't have to pay 20 dollars to use lord of wolves. I love pve so the vanguard ops playlist was my favorite thing to grind, wish I could select certain dungeons to run even if it meant longer queue times. When the steam summer sale hit I did end up buying witch queen and all the other dlc for what witch queen is normally worth. Kinda sad I was locked out of stasis and the one arc tree for the entire time I was f2p, thinking I was missing something. Also the new light experience for harder content is horrible, I got lucky that my first legend nightfall I had someone to teach me about mods. They don't explain mods at all for champions so I was running my 1530 nightfall and was confused on why things took little damage or just went immune. Surprisingly I'm glad to be apart of destiny 2 community now that I have the things to play the game, still don't have the season pass and someone gifted me the dungeon key so I have no idea how any of that content goes. Just wish there was more guidance for new players and that previous dlc costs the same amount.

[@GapedCeiling]

remember when Bungie said every season would be $10....weeeellllp......now you gotta spend an extra $20 to get the seasonal dungeon. Bungie is on their scam shit

[@_sneezings_4754]

waiting for a sale is a must. i got witchqueen for 25$ and the Legacy bundle (The rest of the DLC excluding 30th anniversary) for another 25$ since they were all on sale. Helps with the price alot.

[@Wooskii1]

Dude, that's the exact experience I had when I tried to play lol. I totally agree about the need for a monthly "all access" subscription, or full game DLC... One major difference tho is that I didn't have any experience on what to look for, or even what to do/ where to go- definitely not gonna cheese to raid loot when I know absolutely nothing about it, or that it even exists in the first place... I definitely wouldn't call it "A lot of content for F2P" in the first place, especially when most of what's there is buried underneath ads telling you that you can't do it, with most quests leading you in the opposite direction, directly into paywalls, just so they can show you those ads even more... Warframe is what I WOULD call a lot of content for F2P, the ENTIRE GAME and every piece of gear/ weapon/ item is farmable for free, time gated maybe, but still free. It's been around for a decade and not even one piece of content (open worlds/ planets, missions, quests, etc.) can be purchased if you wanted to- it's all just there, and ready to unlock via gameplay from the moment you begin. Definitely has its flaws, but then again it doesn't cost $200 just to get started.

[@gonb5434]

as a f2p destiny player, spending ages in the helm trying to complete the seasonal focusing quest was relatable lmao i completed the witch queen campaign when it was free for a week, but other than that i've only done the first free quests in each campaign. i more or less only log in to play vanguard strikes from time to time

[@bvcoyle3903]

I played D1 as soon as it was released, and I played a bit of D2 when it first came out but never really stuck with it. I just got back into D2 about a week ago and I couldn’t believe that this is genuinely how a new player has to experience the game for the first time. I’m going to buy the witch queen but I’m debating even sticking with the game, the amount of stuff the game throws at you with basically no explanation just leaves me really unmotivated to play, like I don’t wanna have to watch hours worth of KZbin videos just to understand how to effectively level up my character. I think bungie needs to do what you are doing here and play the first few hours of their game just to realise how alienating it is for new players.

[@JimnasticsGaming]

As a new light shadowkeep player, the reason I bought the DLCs is completely because I went through red war, curse of Osiris, and warmind. If those weren’t around I wouldn’t be playing Destiny as much nowadays

[@6344ayu]

i played as f2p solo for over 400+ hours collecting every exotics and completing mostly everything for a f2p player...its been so good and just last month i purchased 3 dlc and witch queen this month...good times and now wish i had friends to play destiny with( raids and all)

[@TimothyMark7]

for newer players who see this, just get the event pass and the forsaken pack when it goes on discount, you'll do alrighty, sorta take this from a new player who joined during the witch queen launch

[@sealedtugboat9965]

A new light free to play campaign would be pretty good, they should at least add back some of the side missions on earth and Nessus

[@thunk6681]

Im actually a fan of the 10$ a month option but keep it as an OPTION. I prefer just buying the dlcs when they come out, but the 10$ a month option sounds nice for others.

[@nephillim8641]

Welcome to subscription based mmos, they already exist, they are profitable, they are some of the largest communities online, and the 2 biggest ones(ffxiv and wow) also don't take your content away for "load times"

[@Jarl2392]

Destiny 2 is not for free to play gamers... Sad truth but and hard to swallow but everyone needs to know that. And if you want to play it either as a pay to play or "free to play" as a solo gamer then there is no reason to. This is not a game for solo players

[@vasiliynkudryavtsev]

Yep, I also wanted to get all exotics through Xur or game playing as a F2P player. But no, they don't drop unless all the DLC were bought. A disappointment.

[@PGReddd]

i was lucky enough to play during free expansions week, that gave me a huge boost, plus i absolutely love this game, ive been playing since d1, i remember the the dark below got released

[@nonkinadude5939]

As a f2p player myself I could still play GMs as long as they are not tied to a DLC, so grinding pinnacles is still worth it for that. Though grinding them is extremely painful since your sources are very limited.

[@bob-hacking6027]

I was free to play for three years and it is unbelievably hard to do anything in comparison to buying things

[@kevinkevinson4106]

It’s almost like practices like this in games aren’t uncommon, and that sometimes to have fun it costs money. Ain’t that something?

[@chincemagnet]

When I started F2P last August, I went in knowing nothing about the game, and got bored really fast because I had no clue what I could do or what I was supposed to do. Bought some DLCs and suddenly I have something to do. End game, you don”t really need most of the DLCs. But starting off, not having them makes the game feel pointless until you can figure it out. Which takes a surprisingly long time.

[@adventureswithtatesmith8360]

I really liked your idea of the $10 a month for all the content. I haven’t played in over a couple years and got back on a month ago and was a many DLC’s behind. It’s annoying because one the newest one is really relevant towards light level but I can’t do half of the nightfalls or events without drooping more money

[@Ysl489]

Older dlcs should be free to play. Atleast make the campaigns free to play. To give the new lights a reason to stay. I’ve had some friends testing out the game (a lot played single player story games) and I’m pretty sure they would have continued to play the game if they could have played the campaigns.

[@aidankelley2696]

for the first 2 months i played the game, i didnt even know about Xur and where to find him, that cost me a lot of missed exotics and weapons early on in my experience

[@grapepublic6420]

Free to play in destiny 2 is pretty fun it never actually forces you to buy anything unless you think something on it's store looks cool or you just want to try out a dlc but you can do a lot in destiny 2 without actually spending real life money on it.

[@Zediis]

ESO did a great job with new players, it has main story but you can buy ESO+ for $8 a month and get access to pretty much all the dlc zones and storylines, it kept me playing since i wasnt gonna buy $100 worth of dlc

[@SirenXD.]

They should definitely add a subscription option for DLC access. It's something Elder Scrolls Online did and works pretty well. $XX/month, you get access to everything. $XX one-time and you get access to that DLC indefinitely. Existing players shouldn't care because like 8 months of sub time (at like $15/month) covers their years-long Destiny 2 expansion cost that they've been playing with for years. Some people will still care though, because "I suffered so you should to >:(", but really there's more pressing things to be mad about... like sunsetting content they already paid for.

[@microzach3499]

Its free till you actually want to get deeper into the game

[@Hagosha]

The only thing i'd disagree with you about is the idea of F2P games not offering a lot. I know that for games monetized similar to Destiny in that they have both F2P and Paid content, that can sometimes be the case, however there's a lot of really solid fully F2P experiences. Definitely recommend asking chat for some recommendations for F2P games to check out to help temper expectations. I def wanna see Destiny keep succeeding and growing and I think the community seeing the good things other games also do would go a long way to helping direct some of the feedback.

[@aeveryhawk3036]

The huge upfront lump sum is definitely a huge turn off for people who aren't already invested. A sub does sound much more appealing. If anything, offering the oldest DLC's completely for free, in this case it would probably be Shadowkeep, would probably also be a very great boon to having more free to plays come in, stick around, and buy in to the new stuff. Something like Final Fantasy 14's Free Trial, which includes the base game and the first expansion. that's a LOT of content for free, but Final Fantasy is also 3 paid expansions ahead of that, which is also kind of comparable to Destiny's current situation. Realm Reborn is free, Heavensward is free, and then Stormblood, Shadowbringers, and Endwalker are all lumped together in the latest expansion purchase. Destiny could be a little friendlier, offering Shadowkeep and/or the Forsaken pack for free since it's the oldest expansions, and then players would still need to purchase Beyond Light and Witch Queen, and the thirtieth anniversary pack and the season pass stuff. Final Fantasy sounds like a great deal, but then you gotta remember that you *need* to pay the sub to keep playing on top of the buy-in, but the initial buy-in is still a lot cheaper than Destiny's initial buy-in. It's still a fantastic game and worth the sub though. At least with Destiny, once you own it, you own it and can access it whenever you feel... Content Vaulting aside. Game monetization really is a hard topic. Really depends on the game and what you expect out of it. I do think Destiny's monetization could be improved somewhat. It could be made streamlined, and easier to grasp.

[@trusswhooo]

Lmao I am a FTP player after returning from a very big hiatus. I played in season 13 and got to soft cap but decided to quit. Came back 2 weeks ago and now I’m 1568 and rank 52 while joining in the last month of season 17

[@Toma-621]

I watched one of your videos despite never having played Destiny and now I’m binge watching them and wanna play Destiny even though I don’t spend money on games

[@tenacity25]

Honestly, I have an alternate suggestion. Add the subscription model as an optional secondary option, alongside the traditional DLC model they have now. Some people will prefer one. Some the other. Me, personally, I'd prefer the currently DLC model 100% of the time for myself. But some people would prefer 10 bucks a month or so.

[@roorsworch5998]

10bucks/month 12 months in a year so 120$ per year or 100$ for a year with DLC (Deluxe ect) Dlc model is better

[@tenacity25]

@@roorsworch5998 Price-wise, yeah. But convenience-wise, no. That's why I think you should have both options.

[@OcarinaOfVali]

@@roorsworch5998 yea but some people dont like spending 100 bucks in 1 time, subscription based always falls off if you look at the total value. but it's still so popular for that reason. also some players dont play for a year long every day lmfao

[@zero-yb2rm]

The problem with new light isn’t the amount of content it’s the structure of the content that’s there in theory you can beat a raid before learning your second and third subclass

[@boingbong7348]

Video kinda shows that SBMM is somewhat needed in Crucible if the onboarding experience for new players is to be improved.

[@mikechilds9796]

I talked my wife into trying D2 and her words "There is nothing to make me care about any of these characters or want to hear their stories. Also who the hell is this cayde guy?! He's dead but also somehow talking to me, is he a ghost now? Is that what the ghosts are? Just dead guardians?" She had alot more to say but ill leave there, it was rough to hear the game I love being pulled apart and thrashed but they were fair points. The new light experience is in dire need of attention and moreover I have to wonder how many people played F2P looked at the disjointed barely serviceable story, buggy unpolished missions, and borderline criminal matchmaking for crucible and thought... "Naah, not for me." *uninstalls*

[@ChaosRevealsOrder]

Every expansion before the current one should be free.

[@Deamondslayer16]

If you want a good F2P game. It’s not in the light of games but it’s huge. And has a ton of people on it. The game is called Caravan Stories. You can do the whole game f2p. Has loot boxes for extra characters and gear. But it’s not needed. You can do everything f2p

[@devil_master1562]

I didn't actually know about that OoB glitch, thanks!