Is Dutch food *actually* bad as people say? (bunchatted episode 2)

[@LalaDepala_00]

I am Indonesian born in the Netherlands. I don't think Dutch food is bad at all. They cooked with what they had. Insulting food is very rude in my culture. I always hate it when people say that x country has no good food. I have traveled to some villages in Indonesia where the food was really basic as well. Does not mean it is bad.

[@LalaDepala_00]

​​​​​@@transformerstuff7029That is a very widely-believed lie. Over 90% of Dutch people did not have access to these spices. Only the wealthy merchants and rich royals. We also sold most of it back to other countries same in England and other countries with colonies. It is the same in Indonesia. People who are poor don't use as many spices or ingredients as people who are wealthier. Edit: Grammar

[@Handwithaface]

​@@transformerstuff7029 We did use it. If you read a Dutch cookbook from the 1700s you'll see lots of recipes with herbs and spices, not just from the colonies but from all over Europe as well. Obviously only the middle and upper classes could afford to eat like that on a regular basis -- but they absolutely did. That ended around 1900 when housekeeping schools taught girls to cook in the most basic, frugal fashion.

[@DanDanDoe]

@@Handwithaface To add to your comment, I think it might also have to do with the shortages from the 1930s until the early 1950s. Recipes from the early 20th century, even in the housekeeping books, were pretty good. Still not heavy on spices, of course, but I wouldn't say it's much different from places like France. During the 1930s there was frugality because of the Great Depression, followed by shortages during WWII, including of course a great famine in which people were eating whatever was available to survive for a while. Following WWII shortages continued even into the 1950s, so people remained very frugal. The people who grew up in the 1930s and 40s were starting their own families, teaching their children the simple recipes they were taught themselves. Then from the 1960s onwards women, including mothers, began working more so less time was spent in the kitchen.

[@Handwithaface]

@@transformerstuff7029 No reason to get rude. If you already knew what I wrote, you sure fooled me by saying "we had all this stuff and we didn't use it".

[@MLWJ1993]

I don't even think "basic" is necessarily detrimental. I like a simple dish at times, as long as it tastes good 🤷🏻‍♂️

[@blinkachu5275]

I really find the topic of "is Dutch food actually bad?" so funny, because any time I've seen people from other countries come to the Netherlands they enjoy the food so damn much xD

[@lethalmantis89]

Great to see another podcast so quickly! I also wanna tell you that I really admire your efforts to integrate into the Netherlands in all the ways you can imagine like food, culture, language etc. I don't know know if you every tried rucolastamppot, but this is one of my favorites. Just your regular stamppot with cut rucola stirred in at the end (raw) and some semi dried tomatoes and roasted pine nuts (I usually eat it with a hamburger or gehaktbal instead of rookworst with this recipe).

[@charlescorbee9498]

In the army you had “krentenbrood” in tin. When opened on both sides, you push the bread outside. Then take two slices, butter, cheese and ham. Put it in a toaster. You have a fine tostie 😍

[@deetgeluid]

First! We Dutchies cook at home. That’s why it’s not well known.❤

[@MarcKloos]

Nope, you're third

[@tuinbuddy3385]

I am afraid a lot of foreigners think the big amount of vegetables and fruit in a supermarket are decoration.

[@_PJW_]

Good point. Looking like Dutch food doesn't make it Dutch food. The 'Kant & Klaar Maaltijden' from the supermarket look like Dutch food (mostly), but taste bland (most of them). The same home-made dish tastes differently in each and every home.

[@HomeWorkouts_LS]

So there’s no good Dutch restaurants basically?

[@_PJW_]

@@HomeWorkouts_LS There are many good Dutch restaurants. Even with Michelin stars. But traditional Dutch food is not common. It is said the best Dutch food is served in trucker's restaurants.

[@hethedendaegspolygoon]

My mom often added nasi spices to the carrot stampot to get a more spicy version, so good with bacon bits and a rookworst on the side 🤤

[@MLWJ1993]

Adding some bouillon blocks to the water you cook the potatoes in works really well too when you're tired of "just salt". Plus some milk to make things creamy is nice!

[@alexzonneveld34]

I just want to say, it’s so nice to listen to you guys talking. Thank you

[@tubularap]

You are right; Snackbar food was already well established before MacDonalds & Co arrived. Strange that those enterprises gained more than a foothold.

[@Saarloos1960]

The quality of the stamppot is defined by how you mash the potatoes. Do it with butter and milk and make it smooth. My partner makes stamppot that is mind-blowing lekker.

[@_PJW_]

Dutch staple food consists of bread with different toppings, dairy, soup, and AVG. All quite healthy and sturdy. Fried stuff is considered not food but snacks, and on the whole considered less healthy. French Fries being the only exception. Chinese-Indonesian food of course is not Dutch but takes an important position.

[@Dutchbelg3]

There are still some things that you never tasted 🙂 Bruine bonensoep. Goulash soep. Chinese tomatensoep ( Unox maakt die al decennia) Tuinbonen met spekjes en gebakken krieltjes. Did you try the asperges ( not from a jar but made with fresh aspergus when they are in season? Did you try the different kinds of vla? The ones beyond the vanille- and chocolade vla? Like bitterkoekjes vla? Chipolata vla? People that say the Dutch don't use spices... what about speculaas, taai taai, drop, kruidnoten, appeltaart, pannekoeken met suiker en kaneel, jan hagel koekjes, (kruid-) nagelkaas, stoofvlees, hachee, rijstebrij met kaneel en rozijnen... er zijn er ongetwijfeld nog :-) Did you guys try gerookte paling? Panharing? Scholletjes? Blinde vinken? Gebakken spekjes in de boerenkool? Stamppot rode kool met een potje appelmoes mixed in? Stamppot rauwe andijvie met gekookt ei?

[@buncharted2]

the title is “is dutch food bad” not “dutch food is bad” 😉 unless you’re suggesting a bunch of dutch foods that you think we won’t like to change our minds, the podcast consensus is that dutch food is good :)

[@Dutchbelg3]

@@buncharted2 In fact my comment was direct in 2 different directions: 1) recommendations and 2) Comment directed to people making comments to your video 🙂

[@_PJW_]

As for the soups I'd recommend those from Lidl. Unox and Struik contain too much salt, and are overpriced. As for Bruinebonensoep and Goulashsoep I recommend adding krieltjes, diced tomatoes, and even garlic and a teaspoon of sambal.

[@williamgeardener2509]

Je kent me elke moment wakker maken voor een origineel Nederlandse maaltijd van frites met appelmoes en onbespoten kroketten met Franse mosterd.

[@chrislaarman7532]

"Onbespoten kroketten": waarmee worden kroketten anders bespoten???

[@alfaspel3710]

Hutspot tip: Stirfry the carrots and onions is a separate pan, until the unions caramelize! Then add it to the mashed potatoes

[@dutchman7623]

Uien met gehakt lekker bruin bakken en dan door de aardappels stampen. Past heerlijk bij diverse groenten en kan zelf koud gegeten worden bij een salade.

[@Handwithaface]

This is my favorite method too, closer to the Southern European style of cooking, which makes sense given hutspot's Spanish origin. I also like to add peppers and garlic to the sofrito.

[@_JoyceArt]

As much as I like spicy food, or foods that are smothered in herbs and spices, I don't want to eat my food like that all the time. Sometimes, it is just really nice to have the genuine flavors of the vegetables and meats you're eating. Good vegetables don't need to be doused in salt, to be good. I've worked at a hotel as an intern, and got to eat its restaurant on evening shifts, and while it was delicious, I'll never forget the first meal at home, I had after a week of restaurant food. My mom made a humble AGV, so good boiled potatoes, porkchops and boiled cauliflower. Oh boy, the texture and flavor of the cauliflower was extraordinary. So fresh and filling, it blew those good restaurant meals out of the water.

[@_JoyceArt]

Also, people shitting on grocery store bread and cheese are just snobs, or pretend-snobs. I go grocery shopping in Belgium and Germany regularly because they're really close to me, and other than the "oh, it is so nice to get different things there.", there is not that big of a difference. Not in taste and not in quality. For my regular groceries here in the Netherlands, bread and cheese from there is just as good. I will have to say that I always do get the more expensive breads, and not the cheap casino bread. But even that bread has its purpose.

[@InfiniteCyclus]

I agree that Dutch cuisine isn't very fancy. It's actually kind of basic. But that's also a good thing. There is no pretense there. Typically Dutch.

[@ruud2040]

But we have alot of choises for a small country . Because we have a lot of people from all over the world we have a great mix of everything.

[@dykam]

I buy pretty much all my stuff at a grocer, and most people do. Stuff is absolutely better at specialty shops, but there's also plenty of "specialty shops" which are just about novelty (like the 1000 flavors of cheese). At least AH does have pretty alright quality food, they offer a range of prices for a reason.

[@DennisBishop]

We’re new to the Netherlands and find the food very simple but it doesn’t matter because the ingredients are so superior to ingredients in the US, it’s very delicious. Not a big fan of the deep fried fare but otherwise everything is excellent!

[@spoenk7448]

In our home we just never buy Dutch loaves from the supermarket anymore. My wife sometimes saves bread through TooGoodTooGo but it always stays in the freezer too long. We much prefer getting our bread from the "fresh" section of the supermarket, which I think is pretty decent for its price quality ratio. Much better than that regular bread.

[@Tuskan.Raider]

We have a pretty descent variety in food, for example we have the traditional Dutch kitchen, Surinam hindoe javanese creool chinese kitchens, Indonesian cuisine,Caribean cuisine,which is quite tasty actually if you know the right place, also the Turks & maroccans here make fine pizza kebab etc with hoge variety , for instance do you know Ali Baba or bebek sucuk ?& of course we have lots of other countries providing us with Good food, same rule as before. Bon appetijtelijk!

[@juriverhoeven167]

I love Vlammetjes, sometimes they also say "hello" on the way out...

[@spinshade]

19:10 I was really sick last week and craving stamppot so yes. I'll admit it. I bought it with a packet of paracetamol before going right back to bed LOL.

[@buncharted2]

now that’s a winning combination!

[@_PJW_]

11:50 : the way he pronounces "Krokett'n" is 10./10!! 👏👍 That's the way people from the Eastern part of The Netherlands pronounce it. Epic, keep it up! The Western part says "Krowkehttuh".

[@guidokreeuseler9566]

most of the traditional Dutch home cuisine, like AVG or stamppot just needs, and is allowed, a dash of seasoning. Nutmeg and/or curry powder (store brand "kerrie poeder") can really lift your green beans, broccoli, cauliflower and (mashed) potatoes.

[@cyrielwollring4622]

indonesian food was introduced in the Netherlands in the 1950s but had a breaktrough in 1970s. it was a special once a week or month occasion. I am in my fifties and I can remember the kaasboer and de SRV-wagen (which was an electrically powered shop in a van) doing the roundsin their deklivery van. This was in a village.

[@Paul_C]

It is kinda funny, while you were chatting I made myself a cheese sandwich. What came out was: An old cheese sandwich, fried in a pan with plenty butter, then topped with a fried egg, Rucola, cucumber, bell peppers, and sauce yoghurt as basis, 5spice, tomato purée. Y So yeah, just a sandwich!

[@buncharted2]

🤤🤤🤤🤤🤤 that sounds so good

[@kindofcurry3841]

Love ur videos. Maybe some ideas for you two: go to a sauna, attend a funeral, go to Openluchtmuseum in the winter. Let us hear what your experiences are.

[@SwirlingSoul]

If you've not yet found your local "natuurwinkel" then they may have some seriously good untried bread? That's where I get my sourdough bread, and I also still buy supermarkt brood bij de Aldi. They have a medium light multi grain one I like. And I also buy simple tijgerbolletjes at the Lidl too. Nice n fresh and crispy and light.

[@BabzV]

I think traditional Dutch food is sturdy food, it keeps your engine going for a good while. Is it fancy food? No. Is it tasty? Just depends on what you're used to and personal taste of course. What I like about the food in the Netherlands in general is the fact that we have so many different cultures living here who all brought their own cuisine. Some of it is authentic, some is a bit Dutch-a-fied but tasty nonetheless. And many Dutch people cook a variety of different cuisines throughout the week.

[@Bramfly]

Still there are 122 Michelin starred restaurants in the Netherlands, our home cooked traditional meals are based on the highest quality of different vegetables including potatoes and a choice of superior cuts of a choice of meats, poultry, fish or vegetarian alternatives prepared in a straightforward way respectful of said ingredients. 😊

[@buncharted2]

we had a whole discussion about the michelin rated restaurants in the podcast but i cut it for time 😅😅😅 that is a good point

[@Handwithaface]

I agree with everything except the last part. We have a high standard for the quality of ingredients and the traditional recipes are simple and delicious if well prepared, but we don't prepare them well.The Dutch can follow instructions and make something fancy and complex. What we're terrible at is the basics. Most Dutch people have no idea how to properly boil potatoes. They don't even put salt in the water.

[@RealConstructor]

Prepackaged factory baked bread in a supermarket is the only bread which is below average. I always go to the baker, but if they’re sold out and I need to have bread because I’m all out of it, I can get a reasonable good freshly baked bread in the supermarkt. I can only go to the bakery after work, so I am lucky if there still is any bread left. The bakery in town opens at 08:00 and I start work at 07:30 in a city about 25km away, so I can only be at the bakery no sooner than 16:30 and that’s often too late for bread, it’s all sold out. The prepackaged bread in a Dutch supermarket is the same as American bread, but of a better quality, without the unnecessary and sometimes even dangerous ingredients and without the sweet taste 😅

[@chrislaarman7532]

Many Dutch supermarkets do some baking off locally. - They may also sell bread to be baked off at home. And you might want to invest in a bread machine. It doesn't make your bread cheaper (nor more expensive, I assume), but you can have it ready whenever you want.

[@renate2068]

Try this stamppot: boil your potatoes and put an egg in the pan (unpeeled and cleaned) and when everything is boiling give it 4 minutes. Take the egg out and let it cool in down in water. Let the potatoes boil until they are done. Drain the potatoes but leave a little bit of water in the pan. Empty a pack of veldsla in the pan with the steaming potatoes and let it wilt for a few minutes. Add "uitgebakken spek reepjes". To make them start with a little water and tiny bit of oil and the "spekreepjes" (Albert Heijn) and let the water evaporate, lower the heat and fry the spekreepjes slowly until done . Peel the egg, add to the potatoes and start mashing everything together to a stamppot.

[@OprechtLetterlijkBizar]

By the way: congrats on your new podcast. I’m curious, are you also planning to discuss some deeper and more “serious” topics in the future, such as life in the Netherlands, cultural things, expats versus locals (especially here in Amsterdam there’s some friction sometimes), gentrification, (local) politics, work life, money, etc? I would definitely be interested hearing you guys perspective on it. Don’t get me wrong: I LOVE the more light topics that your videos are usually about as they’re very entertaining and relaxing to watch, but since you started the podcast I was just wondering if you would want to explore more “serious” topics as well?

[@davidc.w.2908]

I bought bread and cheese from the grocery store. A few times a year I would buy from the bakery. Cheese always from the grocery store.. Informative podcast. I love it.

[@wouterhoogers2615]

thanks for mentioning bakeries. Its pretty precise how its explaned. btw love the hair, its flowing and complemented by the glasses, shirt and lighting 😄

[@robvorstermans9248]

Hello, the last time i bought cheese it was directly by a farm and i was expected the it was more expensive but it was not. I had a block of "extra belegen", 1,2 kilograms for €15.60 and it is soooooo good. Ok i had to drive 11 km out of Rotterdam but it was worth it. there are probably some cheesefarms near Dordrecht as well.

[@KeesBoons]

For me the most important part is the quality of the basic ingredients. Most of the time I prepare my own food, as I know my taste better than anyone else. Most ingredients are available in good quality and for a decent price. If I do eat out it's a special occasion, and I will make the choice for something I haven't had before. Many times that results in something I don't really like, but lessons learned ;o). I don't think the Chinese-Indonesian restaurants can be called new any more, as they have been around from the 1960s, and I believe most of the staples of today have been around from the same time. Many people used to make "Chinese" food themselves in the 1980s, and I think a lot of people still do today. It's not that complicated.

[@Soulnado]

Yeah, rijsttafel is especially an aspect of dutch cultural cuisine they overlooked. But then again not too many people know about this, because of the colonial aspects. The Babi Pangang is also a dutch food that's only avaible in the netherlands. The bali version is totally different.

[@jadehare]

De airfryer ingewijd met vlammetjes. 😂♥️ Hutspot en boerenkool zijn wel toppers ook met spruitjes of bacon bits, de dag erna kun je het ook opbakken en op brood eten. Surinaams eten, frietjes met saté saus en mayonnaise zonder uitjes en een frikandel speciaal 😋

[@locmer1970]

Please start looking at the Dutch habits through and economical (not only in financial sense) lens to understand it better. Our lunch, economical. Our behaviour at work, our dinner tendencies. It/you should get the job in the most effective, economical way.

[@Frutsels]

As someone who works for a grocery store, the people who buy those stamppot ready meals are usually elderly men whose wife passed away and they are unable to cook for themselves. And students who need a fast cheapish meal, and the very rare people who do not like to cook at all. I only know one customer over the six grocery stores I've worked at who is young and hates cooking so much they never ever cook a regular meal.

[@RobinDeur1980]

Interesting, a new bakery just opened around the corner from where I live (in Rotterdam) just a few months ago and they do a very good sourdough bread and pastery that they bake on location. And when they are out for the day, they close the shop. Expansive, yes, but for once in a while, it is pretty nice. Another shop around the coner does fresh bread they ship in, which is an inbetween from the supermarket and the really good backery bread and they have some really nice types.

[@MarceldeJong]

Yes, me, I buy the pre made stamppot. As a single dude with an energy deficiency disorder, it's awesome to be able to have proper Dutch food.

[@ioeee7563]

Maybe you could ask someone to make "the real thing" for you? Pre made stamppot is alright, but it contains too much salt.

[@MarceldeJong]

@@ioeee7563 ask who though? My mom doesn't like stamppot at all. My friends don't live nearby. I have a good neighbour, but our relationship doesn't go that far. I know there's a lot of salt in those stamppotten, so I offset that by using less or no salt in other meals. Microwaved stamppot is fine as long as you don't eat it everyday of the week.

[@siccodierdorp6947]

I had the Jumbo verse Erwtensoep for the first time last week, and I was surprisingly thick and good!!

[@jeroencote5212]

Small cheese on bread tip, if you have a little left and it is in your fridge for a week you can improve it a bit by adding some sambal oelek. So bread, cheese and some sambal on top of the cheese. It really works.

[@TheRealTMar]

I think the best thing about traditional stamppot, snert and snackbar food is that it's filling and comforting. Even the way my mum made bami or nasi when we were kids. My family hasn't got any Indonesian roots at all, except for one brother in law who is about a quarter Indonesian and my mum was always like: ingredients easily available and use sweet soy sauce to marinate the cubed meat, stir fry the meat and precut vegetables in the wok and then add all the noodles or rice, stir around as much as possible because the whole 5 person meal is in there. And then there was the peanut butter sauce made of usually Calvé peanut butter, sweet soy sauce, garlic and sambal oelek. It was by far not the same as the traditional dish, but it was tasty and comforting. The best thing my mum makes: tomato-veggie soup! As for bread, yeah, it is really good but artisan bakeries are often a bit better. Like, when I'm visiting my parents in Hooghalen, I also very often pop into Fleddérus for some fresh bread and sometimes something else too. And they have all sorts of fresh ice cream during spring and summer they make themselves! They also have a sitting area where you can order coffee, lunch etcetera. Next time you go to Drenthe, rent some bikes in Assen and get yourself a treat at the bakery in Hooghalen!

[@CakeboyRiP]

Michelle i don't know what you did to your hair or if its the combo with your glasses but you look very sophisticated today

[@kingkahuka921]

I'm not a hundred percent on this story but I heard it mentioned before. There was a law that required chimneys to be at least 15 meters above burnable content "Wetgeving rookkanalen". This law was applied in 2013 and allot of bakery's that made their own bread in store struggled because of this.

[@chrislaarman7532]

Bread: With your interest for details, you might consider using a bread machine and try different ingredients and proportions. (Standard ingredients: flour, sugar, salt, fat, water, yeast. Water may be the only "straightforward" ingredient, but even tap water slightly differs regionally.) And then you might favor some extra ingredient (like raisins) sometimes. - Note that the sugar is the food for the yeast. You may also be able to pause the process to have the dough rest longer. Or perform the kneading and the baking in different appliances. Me, I alternate between supermarket bread and home-baked in a weekly cycle. The effort of baking is little more than weighing the ingredients.

[@AnnekeOosterink]

The one person buying stamppot at AH would be me 😅 my husband doesn't like most stamppotten, he can endure the raw leafy veggie ones, stengelstamppot and slastamppot, but any other is a no go for him. So if I crave a stamppot I'm just not going to cook a whole bunch of ingredients just for me. Too much work for little pay off. So he gets himself a pizza or some other ready to eat kind of thing, and I have my stamppot. But yeah, they're not common and we don't eat them a lot. It's mainly a "we know we will have no time to cook or eat together tomorrow between work, hobbies, and chores, so we'll just get something microwavable and eat at different times" thing. I just stock up on my mum's or grandma's stamppot when I get the chance. 😁

[@bartlucassen9145]

Innovation of the frikandel is the viandel, the sausage containes more herbs and it has a crunchy layer.

[@buncharted2]

oh interesting, i’ve never seen one at a snack bar but i want to try one!

[@ianluscombe]

I purchased the Stamppot fresh ready meal from Albert Heijn. It was tasty. The place I was staying only had a microwave so I couldn't make the meal myself.

[@ronaldderooij1774]

I buy my bread from Albert Heijn. It is good enough for me. I worked at an Albert Heijn bakery (as a student, long, long ago) and there is really not much difference with bakery bread. The difference is in the details. And I eat "jonge kaas" which I like more because of the creaminess and soft taste, also from Albert Heijn. In fact the cheese in Albert Heijn is not bad at all.

[@adpop750]

I think, people saying the bread being lower quality in the grocery store, is partly an image thing. 40-50 years ago it was all low quality bread in grocery stores and that image stuck. Over the years the quality of the bread in grocery stores went really up and I'd say nowadays if you buy the fancy grocery-store bread, it's pretty close to an actual bakery. But again, once something has a bad rep, it's hard to get rid of. I didn't know that the number cheese shops have gone up, but it doesn't surprise me because grocery-shop cheese (all-thought not bad) but from a cheese shop or from the weekly market, is a lot better. I feel the difference in quality is bigger than with bread.

[@anouk6644]

There is a difference in the in store baked off bread and factory packaged bread. I wouldn’t say it’s on par with bread from a bakery though, but I’ll agree it’s not as bad as it used to be. I still prefer the bread from my bakery around the corner.

[@significantsprite]

You should try bread and cheese from the organic store (ekoplaza/odin/etc.), the quality is way better than the regular grocery store and more available than bakery and cheese shops.

[@Pretender6]

Catamaran from the local cafe, its 2 frikandels with fries inbetween, covered with sauses and minced onions.

[@JacobBax]

Mijn magnetron heeft een hete lucht oven stand, wat volgens mij het zelfde is als een airfryer? Maar als ik eerlijk ben, kan het niet op tegen de frituurpan. Het onhandige geknoei met de frituurolie weerhoud mij van de aanschaf van een nieuwe frituurpan. My microwave has a convection oven setting, which I think is the same as an air fryer? But if I'm honest, it's no match for the deep fryer. The clumsy messing with the frying oil prevents me from purchasing a new deep fryer.

[@ruud2040]

Part of my family lives in Florida. They are eating way more often at fastfood restaurants then we are.(and it shows Marten,sorry) We like coocking with fresh food. Only when like a warm day and being outside all day, then we sometimes do a McD, BK or KFC. Thanks , good video.🌷🌷🌷 Ps: My favorite cheese sandwich is extra old Beemster cheese with cucumber ,tomato with good bread from a REAL! bakery for lunch or breakfast brunch 3pm tussendoortje ...uhm ...dinner ...uhm.... middel of the night ........anytime i think of it 🙃😉

[@crashmatrix]

I've always stated that affordability is a flavor the Dutch covet the most, in a sense

[@hunchbackaudio]

Being Dutch for as far as I can check my ancestors, I haven't eaten any hutspot in 50 years. For me Dutch food is what's eaten by the average Dutch people and what's readily available in the stores and restaurants. And when it comes to that, no country comes even close to the overal quality and diversity that the Netherlands offers, country wide.

[@pietergreveling]

20:13 As far as i know, and i worked in a Snackbar a.k.a. Friettent for almost 2 years in the late 80's, most of the Snackbar's turnover came from takeaways and the same was for the Chinese restaurants! When i was young, in the 70's and 80's, we always ordered them to go and primarily on Sundays or if we had friends over! 😋✌🏼

[@ianluscombe]

Do you get the full receipt or just the short one?

[@buncharted2]

we don’t get the receipt at all, haha bonus card baby 😎

[@ianluscombe]

@@buncharted2 how fancy

[@ewaldhouba]

Jullie moeten echt een keer de hutspot proberen met zure haring of rolmops ernaast/erbij in plaats van rookworst. Dat is zo'n lekkere combinatie!

[@yvobroekhoven972]

My favorit stamppot variation is boerenkool with shoarma.

[@susanne4106]

Lekker. Shoarma met bloemkool is ook goed

[@kkemp221]

In basic bad food doesn't excist. Its what people do with it that makes it sometimes horrible. As there is a wide range of fresh products avaiable in every grocery you can easily make a healthy tasty dish with little effort And yes sometimes junkfood or comfort food is yummi aswell

[@henkoosterink8744]

Is Swedish food bad, or Croatian or Austrian or German or Welsh food? Strange topic.

[@PamMartyn]

Cheese, butter and eggs I always buy at the market. Better quality, cheaper and you get that market vibe. I make my own sourdough, but mostly sourdough english muffins. I get bread at AH or Jumbo, usually spelt. Perfectly fine for sandwiches and grilled cheese.

[@wil2lem1]

as for cheese you should try Lutjewinkel extra belegen tast like old cheese but structure like jong belegen

[@dennisvanslingerland2258]

Klinkt goed!! Ik gaat er naar opzoek!!

[@jennienoppers210]

over stamppot in de zomer: hebben jullie stamppot rauwe andijvie geprobeerd? Fijn gesneden andijvie, fijn gesnipperde ui en gebakken spekjes of kleine kaasblokjes!! yummie!

[@buncharted2]

nog niet maar dat klinkt goed :)

[@jennienoppers210]

@@buncharted2 lekker omdat de andijvie knapperig is!

[@Iamsanni]

It's my favorite! Without the cheese though (and with vega spekjes nowadays). Some picalilly if I got some

[@jennienoppers210]

@@Iamsanni of Maggi

[@Sir_Rantalot]

Maybe it's not as healthy as mediterranean cuisine but its "soul food" that fits the cold, rainy weather. Germany and Great Britain are quiet comparable. Lot of brown, greasy stuff, that gives a special cozyness.

[@snijderjan]

in the region are allso taditional meals much more interresting then over the normal meals

[@Dutchbelg3]

Don't get stuck in the comments of some ( not all ) Dutchies. Some people are complaining 24/7 about everything in the Netherlands ;-) If you want cheap you get cheap quality. So many products in supermarkets are still pretty good 🙂 And next to cheap a lot of people want convenience. Get everything at 1 spot.. like you Americans were used to 🙂 A lot of good traditional Dutch dishes are not popular anymore because they take time to prepare!

[@_PJW_]

"If you want cheap you get cheap quality." Well, actually cheap food can be better quality. The cheese from my cheesemonger is w-a-a-y-y better than that from AH next door. According to him people often no longer know how things ought to taste and smell, and go for convenience. Bakery and greengrocer exactly the same.

[@tjvanbenthem4333]

Stampot zuurkool met ananas of ook wel zonder ananas is great. Especially met speklapje en jus

[@EdwinHofstra]

There is Dutch food, and then there's Dutch food culture. The culture centres around the Sunday sabbath. Meaning mother would spend all Saturday in the kitchen, preparing Sunday dinner, so she wouldn't have to work on sabbath. These days the Saturdays are more holy to the average working stiff, because (almost) everything is closed on Sundays, so if you want to do something in the weekend, it will be on Saturday. So no more standing in the kitchen all day. From the 1950s Chinese restaurants, and from the 1960s frietkramen - later snack bars - have taken over the role of the Sunday chef. What MD and BK offer more, is not the food they offer, but a place to sit with the whole family, a spot for children to play etc. It's more of an experience, a family outing.

[@nathanyellll]

let’s go new buncharted podcast

[@hcjkruse]

We have an Annova Smart oven. It has not enough air flow compaired to a cheap airfryer. So we are going to buy one too.

[@eeshtarr]

you forgot about the 'overjarige kaas' for being the most flavorful, but very few people eat that.

[@stragulus]

Young cheese slices for the melty bits, old cheese for the flavor, that makes the best grilled cheese sandwich / tosti!

[@bacchus8081]

What do you guys mean!? You can see the innovation on display in some Dutch snackbars with the greasy "Nieuw! De Mexicano! Heet!" signs that have been there since the 90's :P

[@am53n8]

When I think of dutch food I think of my grandma and "wat de boer niet kent eet hij niet". I can probably count on one hand the amount of times she has cooked anything that's not AVG. If we go somewhere with food from many different kitchens she'll come back with a cheese sandwich, frietje mayo, or poffertjes. It's not bad and you can definitely improve things by adding something here and there, but at the same time it feels very basic and eating because you _have_ to, not to enjoy it

[@MarceldeJong]

To help Alex and Michelle. "Wat de boer niet kent eet hij niet" translates to "what the farmer doesn't know, he doesn't eat." and it usually means something like "something that's unknown isn't trusted", but also it used in the literal sense that if someone isn't familiar to a type of food, they won't eat it.

[@patricksteunebrink7758]

the snack bar thing, where not eating it all week long mostly once or twice a week you live you life when you do it once a week but the rest of the week its vegie, potato and meats's

[@nilisstaal1984]

What I know about AVG and stamppot is that is was an efficient meal, quick, nutricious, filling, and go back to work on the farm. Nothing fancy, and I believe still most of the Dutch like it that way. At least I do. When I go to a restaurant you won't make me happy with a small portion truffeld shrimp and broccoli foam. Just give me a full plate of food! Thats why I love stakehouses. Good food and filling. Maybe the Dutch culture is still there in some Americans😂

[@reneesluyter2779]

Dutch is food is mostly simple and cooked potatoes with vegetables but takes time to stand in the kitchen to long,from there the grocery store, and good Indonesian food is roedjak ajam with bami or nasi 🙏🏽

[@MinglingWithTheDutch]

Once i added baking paper with my airfrying i knew it was me for life.

[@tjvanbenthem4333]

Snackbars can be very different. I would never go to a Mac if KFC My snackbar make their own frier. In the morning they cir own potatoes ann get the broodjes die the hamburgers fresh from a local backeru

[@stragulus]

KFC in the Netherlands is abysmal, every single one of them. I don't know why, it must be heavily mis-managed from the top. In the US it varied a little, but most weren't that great either. Popeye's was miles better where I lived. McDonald's in the Netherlands is fine, but indeed I would always go snackbar over McD any day. McD is strictly highway rest stop food. enjoyable in its own right though.

[@emielverschuur8395]

weer een leuke vlog guys jullie hadden het over goede kaas uit de supermarkt of van een speciaalzaak of de markt en omdat de markt op vrijdag en zaterdag is in Dord heb je alleen in het weekend kaas koop dan een stuk kaas op de markt en even naar Blokker voor een kaasschaaf dan kun je de hele week genieten van een broodje goeie kaas

[@tvaandering]

Once again a very nice vlog. As far as I know, Chinese restaurants were the first foreign restaurants to establish themselves here. Somewhere in the 60's I think. Then in the 70s and 80s came shawarma, Italian and others. But did you know that a croquette sandwich is healthier than a cheese sandwich? A croquette contains more nutrients than cheese. Cheese is especially high in fat. And I don't think Albert Heijn, Jumbo and Plus supermarkets are inferior to German supermarkets. As for bread, supermarkets sell not only factory-made bread, but some also their own baked bread. I don't like the bread as much as the bread from the real baker, but if I give the real baker 5 stroopwafels, I'll just give the supermarket 4.

[@shoelacedonkey]

For what it's worth the first Chinese restaurant in the Netherlands was around 1928 on the Binnen Bantammerstraat in Amsterdam.

[@tvaandering]

@@user-qn6fw8fg4b Cheese contains a lot of fat, of which about 66% is saturated. A croquette contains less saturated fat, about 33%. Also based on fat percentage, you are better off with a croquette sandwich.

[@tvaandering]

@@user-qn6fw8fg4b Who still remembers it? Croquette sandwich vs cheese sandwich… Croquettes are usually still seen as unhealthy, which has to do with the fact that a croquette is deep-fried. Deep frying used to be very unhealthy. The frying fat was full of trans fatty acids that increase the bad cholesterol in your blood and lower the good cholesterol. Nowadays, almost every snack bar fries with liquid oil without trans fatty acids, so the fat in a croquette can be as healthy as olive oil. Compared to a cheese sandwich, a croquette sandwich contains less fat and slightly more iron. Cheese is rich in vitamins A, B2 and B12, calcium and zinc. A professor of nutrition at the Vrije Universiteit of Amsterdam explains simply: “What was healthy, such as cheese, actually becomes less healthy because we start eating too much of it.” And what was bad, such as croquettes, becomes good because the way the product is prepared has been adjusted. As far as the number of calories is concerned, there is little difference. A croquette sandwich contains an average of 312 calories and a cheese sandwich contains an average of 305 calories. We at PT058 will not discourage you from eating what you like, but do everything in moderation. In addition to a croquette or cheese sandwich, opt for healthier choices with lots of vitamins and minerals!

[@gwaptiva]

As you indicated, there's a "dutch cuisine", but that shouldn't affect anyone (other than the poor souls whose mothers don't know if the broccoli needs to boil for 2 or for 3 hours): you can get almost every ingredient to make almost every dish from every world cuisine, mostly in supermarkets, and if not, in specialist shops.

[@davevanbeers6944]

The best cheese sandwich is with darker bread, old cheese (farmers cheese) cucumber and a honey mustard dressing! 😊 yummy 😊 also, Dutch bread is better than most countries I think. Also French food, Italian food, Indonesian food, Chinese food and even shoarma is easily available either in restaurants or for ordering. But also to make it yourself at home. So yeah, traditional Dutch food is maybe boring but we do eat really diverse. 😊 ohh and if you haven’t eaten it yet try Roti kip😊 grocery store food is fine, just don’t buy any pre-made foods.

[@chrislaarman7532]

I'd think that the "boringness" of food corresponds with variety, and variety with availability within your powers (like depending on the season and your budget, being at sea or seasonally inaccessable). And obviously spices and herbs can make monotonous staple food interesting after all. - PS: I wonder if Bert Visscher's description of a "broodje gitaar" is on KZbin. ;-)

[@FrankS104]

The food in my country ( The Netherlands ) is just fine. For me this is a non discussion. !!! Anyway, some like things, others don't.

[@elsvanzwoll]

An other frikandel is the viandel. It’s a frikandel with a hard korst/ crust? (sorry😅) Try it. If you want. It’s nice.

[@petervanderwoude6316]

If you like hutspot, try to replace carrots with 50/50 carrots and parsnips. It makes the hutspot less sweet and a bit more spicy.

[@buncharted2]

sounds good - thanks!

[@Handwithaface]

@@buncharted2 Parsnips of course were in the original hutspot instead of potatoes. As the roots of the dish are Spanish, it also makes sense to add some peppers!

[@amyloriley]

I think there could be a distinction made between restaurant food and home food. Stamppot is typical food you prepare at home, but you're not going to a restaurant to eat stamppot. Erwtensoep, it can be the soup of the day in a restaurant, but it's never going to be the main dish you go to a restaurant for. So then what do you go to a sit-down restaurant for? In Germany, schnitzel is big. Bratwurst is another common dish. In France, steak with fries is a common dish. Coq au vin (rooster with wine) is another common dish. Or raclette. But then in the Netherlands...? Zeeuwse mosselen? (Mussles from Zeeland) Another way to look at it is using regional dishes. For instance, Limburg is known for its vlaai, a fruit pie or tart with a bread-like crust. But once again, that's not exactly a restaurant dish.

[@buncharted2]

that’s a good point but i think snack bar food (or even like twaalfuurtjes in cafes) are examples of dutch mains in restaurants, right?

[@BabzV]

Limburgs zuurvlees. 👌

[@Handwithaface]

​@@buncharted2 I've never seen a kroket, frikandel or kaassoufflé for dinner on a restaurant menu. Kroketten are on many lunch menus, often served on fancy bread with fancy mustard and some obligatory salad. Frikandellen and kaasoufflés are pretty much exclusively found in snack bars and the frozen section in supermarkets.

[@Iamsanni]

​​​​@@buncharted2when you say main, we only think about dinner. At lunch you just get something to eat so no main courses there. With exception off Maastricht, where it is more common to 'have dinner of 'eat warm'' at lunchtime as it is in some surrounding countries. When we get fries for dinner, we will call it snacktime and not a main either I think. A pancake can be dinner in a pannenkoekenrestaurant. They became more fancy with the range of toppings.

[@Aviertje]

As a dutch person, I'm embarrassed to admit that what I thought casseroles are are not remotely what you describe them as. Not sure how, but I suspect the 'role' in it made me think 'roll', which led me to think it was something like the witlof I used to eat like a child which was wrapped in ham. It was enough of a french/english blend of a word that I just went with my gut and whatever context I'd seen it in in the past. Thanks buncharted for explaining to me that is the really big category of the 'ovenschotel' rather than a specific thing and preparation method like paella, lasagna and so on!

[@tns5044]

I know bread and cheese are better from the specialty stores, but running a single-person household and a full-time job takes most of my time... and the number of bakeries is, as you noted, in steep decline.

[@_PJW_]

17:42 : "pot roasty things with mashed potatoes in the side". Look up the old-fashioned recipe for Hachée. Dead simple to make, and the smell will knock your socks off. Nothing spells autumn like that. Don't buy hacheevlees from the supermarket but from the butchers. Big, B-I-G, difference!

[@edrison7303]

The stampot is pure for people that working outside in the cold for example the farmers to een what fot the most people is lunchtime to warm up fast making and back to work. Later (in the 70s) i think most of the Dutch eat it as a diner but again its just fast to make to warm you up. Afcourse the dish is a few 100 years old but it involved in a diffrent thing.

[@Pertiopa]

my parents always used to say "lekker daar is een toetje voor" which means delicious thats whats desert is for. we often dont eat desert because it is a treat and not "food" to fill the stomach. i think it has a lot to do with the dutch mentality of food is there to fill your stomach so you should be happy to atleast have something to eat and if it is good thats a bonus not the expectations, altough this is a very traditional mentality

[@Iamsanni]

Sure, a lot of the foreign food is new (Mexican, Thai and so). But when it comes to eating nasi, bami or spaghetti, it's what we grew up with and has the same nostalgia as eating boerenkool. And homemade by our mothers too. I.o.w. those are not that new, but very common since the 50's already, because then the first immigrants moved here (on invitation). I would call this Dutch food actually.

[@Harolddespui]

Dutch deserts kick ass though. 😊

[@ilmonstre]

Supermarket bread was alot worse in the past as compared to now. This also makes it harder for bakeries

[@irryme]

Krentenbol met roomboter en oude leidse brokkelkaas

[@thedutchhuman]

wait a minute, no scoreboard because it's a podcast...and it will be broadcast on youtube😂..fijne avond!