Is Eternal punishment fair!? Mohammed Hijab and Visitor Speakers Corner

[@SimpleReally]

This man is my favorite guest. May he be guided

[@arkaazizul6673]

In sha Allah

[@MuhammadanWayBeliever]

Ameen

[@zeeshanzaman6454]

@@seekkeith23 First of all who told you a person will enter jannah because of his deeds alone. All the good deeds done in your whole life wont even equal to your gift of eyesight. Many people are blind, what special did you do do to deserve your eyesight? Therefore, The Prophet (pbuh) said: "No one of you will enter Paradise by his deeds alone." They asked, "Not even you, O Messenger of Allah?" He said, "Not even me, unless Allah covers me with His Grace and Mercy" (Bukhari, Riqaq, 18; Muslim, Munafiq, 71-73).

[@AlAndalusiIbnRagnar]

@@zeeshanzaman6454 My Response to this.. Yes, But doesn’t necessarily mean you will go to hell either. Many just come back to live another life, i know in Islam it doesn’t touch base with Reincarnation. But there is too many stories that are hard to pass up, and stories of Near Death experiences where people are sent back to their bodies and are told it is Not your time yet.

[@silentknight2851]

@@zeeshanzaman6454 exactly

[@thor7457]

One of the best discussions i have ever watched. No hatun, no loud noises. A mature and informative conversation.

[@Monothiest247]

Did they ever catch the person that stabbed Hatun? Her voice is unbearable

[@msw1985]

@@Monothiest247 you can hear her screaming at 9.00😁

[@sakhawi5542]

Her presence literally makes Speaker corner into Shouters Corner

[@Monothiest247]

@@seekkeith23 the most merciful the most compassionate

[@muslimman313]

Her new name is Hyena 😂

[@Sooyaan1]

I love this guy’s approach and I pray that Allah guides him to the right path. Aamiin🤲🏽🤲🏽

[@jona7200]

Yes, he is analyzing everything of new information and it actually makes him think. I respect that a lot

[@sellerbuyer9469]

Jesus guides you I will pray for you

[@abdelkarimkeraressi1418]

he revert to islam . that brother.

[@jona7200]

@@abdelkarimkeraressi1418 did he??

[@abdelkarimkeraressi1418]

@@jona7200 i think last month or 2 month.

[@luqmangoni8895]

This is how all discussions should be like in speakers corner... Great respectful ending too!

[@lukewayne]

Why then Europeans saying. "Without lies Islam dies". Can lies take you to heaven? Nooo. What is real Islam then? Real Islam is Hadith/Koran. I guess europeans and Americans are seeing boat load of Muslims are rejecting Koran hadiths. Every Muslim channel and speaker corner reject the books. Everyone have version of their own Islam. 2021 how long this dumb behavior last?

[@Sooyaan1]

@@lukewayne where r your sources coming from?

[@lukewayne]

@@Sooyaan1 look at morons saying liar liar at speakers corner . What religion is this? They say Hadith and Koran is lie. Then what do you have? Just cult leader!

[@Shamanysm]

And that ladies and Gentleman, is how a civilized discussion looks like. May Allah guide this brother to the right path.

[@samlatifi3254]

0:50 What's eschatology? I really appreciate people who ask when they don't know. These days people nod along pretending to understand, or worse roll their eyes when you ask a question.

[@WiseEyes313]

Absolutely. Being humble is important for growth

[@sheromatic4272]

On the flip side of this conversation, when an individual accept, recognized and worship Allah, they will be given an eternal reward for some they did in this finite life because the subject of worship is infinite.

[@theguidancecounsellor2948]

True. No one would say it's unjust to subject an individual to eternal bliss for a finite act of obedience.

[@aishaarshadalam3412]

Yes, this is a fantastic point and on top of that we all know that all of our good deeds together are not enough to gain entry into Jannah, even if we were to worship a thousand years with complete perfection, that would still not be enough to be granted Jannah but we will enter Jannah through the Mercy and Grace and Forgiveness of Allah. Looking at it this way, Allah is far more Merciful and Forgiving than we deserve but it befits His Majesty and Glory to forgive who He wishes and grant His Jannah to whoever He wishes.

[@generalpencil3747]

This is an amazing point. The way I see it Allah already gave the warnings as to what will cause someone to be in hell eternally so it's up to us to heed that warning and make the choice. Logically it's like if there's a warning sign that said beware cliff falls and someone ignore the warnings and jump of the cliff surely you will stay dead forever even though you jump off the cliff once, you're not gonna die for one second, one minute or whatever. That warning that Allah gave is a mercy to all, if Allah have no mercy Allah will just ignore and let us do whatever we want and tell us to find out for ourselves what it's that will make us go to paradise or hell.

[@unknownsource5787]

Hell is there as a deterrent, do you really think the one that calls himself the Most Merciful will punish people for eternity? The Quran mentions that hellfire will remain for as long as Allah wishes so we don't know whether hellfire is eternal or not, we will see on judgment day.

[@generalpencil3747]

@@unknownsource5787 like the original post said there's also eternal paradise and reward for finite worship so it's fair and merciful.

[@takaverse8347]

one of the best discussions ive seen, learnt a lot also

[@The_Angry_BeEconomist]

have you seen "shackles of freedom" with Abbas and the Doc?

[@takaverse8347]

@@finn6770 shush

[@servercabinet]

Damn, this is the first time in a long time no one was talking louder than necessary. No one getting over emotional. Really enjoyed the conversation from both sides.

[@gobah]

And both sides respectful and intellectually honest. This was refreshing.

[@RoofingConnecticut]

This is a lovely conversation

[@linkup901ify]

It really shows Allah's mercy. Just a speck of Iman and you avoid eternal punishment, Allah asks for so little yet if you do a good deed it's counted in multiples while a bad deed is counted as simple one. Allah says if you remember me I will remember you. If you call to me I will hear you. If you walk to me I will run to you. Alhamdulillah for Islam, a mercy on mankind.

[@randomrandom6037]

Alhamdulillah!

[@gjfjfk]

Allah has mercy but he's going to torture someone forever . Big contradiction

[@nuhashahmed7692]

@@gjfjfk He is the most* merciful not All.

[@gjfjfk]

@@nuhashahmed7692 " most " Merciful and " all " merciful doesn't make a difference in regarding that he will burn humans forever there's nothing merciful torturing someone forever . God has nothing personal to gain from this and his creation doesn't. neither party's benefit from eternal punishment.

[@nuhashahmed7692]

@@gjfjfk You seem to have missed the point with most not All merciful. The point is he doesn't forgive everyone and yet more merciful than any human can ever be.

[@halalpolice7544]

The guy is very educated I hope he read the Quran and became one of us. May Allah swt guide him and us all to the right path

[@SlaveOfAllah6754852]

Nice name 😂

[@The_Angry_BeEconomist]

another powerful beautiful discussion to start my Monday, Masha Allah

[@aldo6532]

Can we get this guy back again for an episode 2? That would be awesome as this was one of the best debates (from all three speakers) I’ve ever heard.

[@akhidan]

I miss the days of Hijab peacefully taking to and informing the people or SC. Glad to see something like that is coming back together.

[@halalpolice7544]

I really enjoyed Maasha Allah TabarakAllah we need more of these discussion 👏🏾

[@Monothiest247]

God willing this Christian brother asks Allah for guidance and receives it. At least he is seeking truth and being polite during discussion.

[@Mu5tyLaghmani]

I don't think he is Christian voz he said islam and Christianity is his favourite so I'm assuming he is atheist, I have never seen a Christianity that wise and respectable

[@khier-eddinehennaoui9783]

Loved the talk. It's plaisant to have Mohamed back in SC.

[@Omar-jy1gr]

Nice conversation! We as Muslims believe that the almighty creator has infinite knowledge and wisdom. Therefor only he knows best if you're someone who would be willing to bow to him and worship him the way he told you or not whether you live 20 years or infinite years. And most people who refuse to worship god even if they could live infinitely they would never change and worship god. So, based on that the appropriate punishment for them is eternity in hell fire.

[@_asmaamahmood5450]

جزاكم الله خيرا على هذا المجهود

[@zaksframe3715]

Part 2 and so on would be very educational and helpful for the internet

[@salihmorta4172]

22:00 everyone’s mouth dropped, Masha Allah Allah protect Muhammed Hijaba and increase him in wisdom and give him paradise

[@clearlyclearor]

Wallah very well put argument

[@adzmanchester]

Great content, I could listen to these two speaking for hours.

[@truthofislam8996]

This is the best arguments for Eternal punishment that I have come across yet.

[@umarfarooque6484]

i was just waiting for 29:30, and that shows how important knowing the whole context is. a single hadith can change the perspective of a subject. holding a stuff and keep digging into it without looking other source can leave you wondering, and can even make you stubborn holding a statement. great conversation!

[@hammernail8232]

Nice i really enjoyed this one.

[@aqeelkirmani7391]

Hey we want to have a determinism debate. When is this gentleman coming back

[@mrafiuddin]

Excellent discussion.Great job Brother Mohammed Hijab.

[@RIbnSSufi]

JazzakAllah khayr

[@Jay-cm2ow]

I love to see Tony again…let us pray for him

[@villaboyjay9869]

nice in peace discussion added knowledge and understandings ..

[@ibrahimsaidosmanibraboy716]

Such wonderful debate MH you did great job may Allah increase you in knowledge and wisdom, may Allah also guide this gentlemen

[@Baraa.K.Mohammad]

19:50 wow! I didn't see that coming! what an argument! I was stunned by it, Tony was stunned by that he literally asked for some time to recover, lol! He seems like a genuine guy and very interesting in his takes and gentle attitude!

[@aab8273]

Damn, was hoping this was an old video so I could have caught up with the next discussions they had agreed to do lol.

[@mohameddayib8856]

Educational and informative decision. Manshallah

[@youneselhamss2908]

Amazing argument Masha Allah, wow moment at around 21:50

[@arthurmorgan1299]

Such a high level conversation

[@tarek399]

quite intriguing discussion.

[@DocRealTalk]

This is the level of discussion we should have. Not the 2000-year-old 1+1+1 EQUALS debates xD

[@like-icecream]

did you watch the video because they went into 1+1+1

[@DocRealTalk]

@@like-icecream And the guy literally explained it with a great analogy. And said how boring those discussions are because Muslims will never accept the concept. The reality is, there is more than one way to look at something. Especially when it comes to things that can't be tested. Which is why trinity discussions are boring. In another 2000 years people will be parroting the exact same arguements 😂 Far better to have these discussions like this which are underpinned by a wider view of philosophy and not just Islamic philosophy.

[@habasoosy2202]

@@DocRealTalk 1+1+1=3 . What "other way of looking at it" is there?

[@Zam786]

Very good discussion. Well done guys.

[@mkb2420]

This man was cool and it was a great discussion man

[@zccau2316]

this guy is so nice haha wish him the best

[@kco212]

Fantastic debate both speakers were quality

[@rdsa2240]

debate: two people or group defend for their opinion to be true discussion: two people exchanging ideas on one subject/topic

[@arshadbhatbhat8177]

I like this video what about paradise forever for little little things this is one another attribute of almighty merciful

[@darckangel2728]

وَإِذْ قَالَ لُقْمَانُ لِابْنِهِ وَهُوَ يَعِظُهُ يَا بُنَيَّ لَا تُشْرِكْ بِاللَّهِ ۖ إِنَّ الشِّرْكَ لَظُلْمٌ عَظِيمٌ (13)

[@youneselhamss2908]

May Allah guide this man he seems very reasonable and humble

[@linkup901ify]

If you're an atheist and you can sleep well after what they discussed then you either didn't understand it or something is really wrong with you.

[@wolfan9263]

Masha Allah Barak Allah brother muhammad looks giant here😁👍🏼❤

[@zubairrehman786]

Well done both - proud of you. Respectful and intellectual

[@trialtaker]

masHallah very well spoken christian person..very logical rational as well.. he asks a valid question...how can a finite crime get infinite punishment? to make you happy brother i have answer... inshALLAH we believe those who have the least sense of an UPPER BEING will be granted jannah after spending sometime in hell.. our prophet was promised that most of his UMMAH will be granted jannah.. also to answer ur question...it is also possible to commit crime of infinite impact in a finite duration and in that case the punishment is infinite too..hope that helps..

[@gobah]

Most of us undervalue our blessings, and the impact of our bad deeds.

[@amiin-shakuradan9923]

The issue of people dont understand the consept of infinite punishment is, that people who is in en complete denial of the exsistens of Allah, how Can they ever claim that they find the infinite punishment is inporportionent to a finite crime ? Well. Why does the consept of infinite punishment bother you, if you indeed dont belive in Allah ? Remember the hadith, of the prophet pbbuh and his wife Aisha ra. She asked the prophet about the man who was known as humble, good and feeded the poore and took care of orphants. Would Allah forgive him. The prophet said, that He Will be in hellfire. Because He never Said “rabbil fiqhr’lii rabbil fiqhr’lii” Lord forgive me Lord forgive me. How Can A man who live his entire life, careless of God, claim salvation? Even if his crime was finite

[@richtee5932]

Best conversation ive seen from hijab.

[@ObaidahNaseer]

إِنَّ ٱللَّهَ لَا يَظْلِمُ ٱلنَّاسَ شَيْـًٔا وَلَٰكِنَّ ٱلنَّاسَ أَنفُسَهُمْ يَظْلِمُونَ Indeed, Allah does not wrong the people at all, but it is the people who are wronging themselves. Quran Yunus 10:44

[@Baraa.K.Mohammad]

This is THE BEST video on the internet to share if you have an atheist friend or relative who is honest and seeking truth... Amazing, wow!!! What a beautiful and incredibly powerful argument brother Hijab used here! Astonishing! I've been watching him for years, since 2017 and I can say I've not seen him make such a profound, eye opening and simple argument on this level! I guess Tony also should get credit because he is very very interactive and genuine!

[@darahbiru2936]

Allah knows everything the past the present and the future. But Allah is the most just such that anything happens to someone only happens because of Fairness in His eyes.

[@abdullahimohamed8185]

topic of the knife shikh Mohamed hijab is taking about it actually happened to my friend died 2 days ago someone killed him with a knife I’m really sad he was my best friend

[@abdullahalmuwaxid9643]

قال اللّه تعالى وما خلقت الجن والإنس إلا ليعبدون. in street translation, i didnt create the Jinn and the minkind for any other reason than worshipping me. If you consider the things Allah subxaanah gave you without even asking, like breathing, intellect, health etc, And after everything He سبحانه وتعالى gave you, you still chose to live your whole life in disbelief and denied Allah subxaanah of any gratitude, not that Allah subxaanah need(s) us at all, cuz Allah is الغني الحميد, but still He عز وجل put some rules... if you come back to Me without acknowledging my existence and without Believing in Me, you will burn in hell and that is it. قال اللّه تعالى إنّه كان لا يؤمن باللّه العظيم. وقال تعالى ولا يخاف عقباها. Allah subxaanah is still merciful for letting you disobey Him in your whole life with the power to come to you from any angle at any time, i mean inside, outside, thoughts, nerves, cells, hopes, wishes, desires, people, family, day, night etc. and Allah subxaanah has already told you the consequences of your actions and opinions in your worldy life! ***And informed you that He عز وجل is indeed both the most forgiving and the most merciful And that his punishment is the most severe** قال اللّه تعالى ۞ نَبِّئْ عِبَادِي أَنِّي أَنَا الْغَفُورُ الرَّحِيمُ ‎﴿٤٩﴾‏ وَأَنَّ عَذَابِي هُوَ الْعَذَابُ الْأَلِيمُ.

[@klickklack3949]

Speakers cornor is like the only place where muslims respect criticism of islam.

[@realitycheck7701]

Very smart argument from Hijab. Simple amazing. Loved it

[@bobmarley-pu5qe]

@@TheOneLogic69 nothing was smart. he tries to push people out of the debate by using philosophical terms. he just keeps interrupting this person and isn't taking anything he says in

[@blankizaki944]

We need more discussion with him

[@picketytwin]

When hijab started talking abt attributes I had to pause and thank Allah ,it is a revelation...

[@lazarus5609]

My guy said it Perfectly...STONG MIND

[@oneconcept7032]

Fact is, only worst people according to Allah's judgement will reside in hellfire forever. Why Allah say's because he wants the humans not to cross the limits. Otherwise, people like Pharoh will say, I will burn for 10 years or 1 trillion years, then I will get the paradise in the end. They will have hope. But, if he resides in hell forever, there is no hope for him. Sometimes Allah use fear as well so the oppressors don't cross the limit. When they do, they will reside in hell forever. It's not that Allah doesn't mention it. Allah mentions it in the Quran. No one can claim(if they read Quran or know about it's verses) they didn't get any message from Allah. Best humans according to Allah will reside in Paradise forever, some bad people will have punishments for a certain time, then they will go to paradise and some others will reside in hell forever. Worst

[@Radec913]

Good argument in my opinion.

[@sm1468]

@@Radec913 bad argument

[@Monothiest247]

The Arabic language has metaphors, allegorical meaning, you can’t take its literal definition at times, and sometimes restricted.

[@xzly]

This guy need to meet Shamsi

[@ra_4044]

Mashaallah hijab is Captain Egypt I love the way Ali and Hijab have a very calm way talking to others I wish we had a park where I live so I can hear more about religion

[@MBeats27]

Allah has told us the punishment for disbelief in this life so the fact that its infinite doesn't matter because he has already told you the punishment so that makes Allah fair and just because he has already told you what is going to happen and if you still do it its your own fault

[@kunjinjaalamohammedaminhil1659]

Thumbs up for you guys

[@Mr_Moe_Eng]

I believe that the conversation shouldn't go there in the first place; Allah is all Wise, Merciful, and Just and cannot be questioned by a limited knowledge being like us human. End Case.

[@EpikMunk]

Ok and Muslims wouldn't argue against that fact. But he's talking to a non muslim who doesn't believe in the same thing, so without taking the conversation elsewhere, how would you discuss the matter with a non muslim?

[@Mr_Moe_Eng]

@@EpikMunk it should be enough explanation for him, If you would explain the difference between All knowing Allah and his limited self, it should be enough to understand, and actually this is the basis that he should accept Islam upon, not to rational the idea in a way that suits his limited mind. Cause the question he's asking is wrong in the first place. Plus, This is how He is SW. The Guy shouldn't be demanding answers or even proposing questions like this, and he shouldn't be allowed to do so. If he gets it he gets it, if he doesn't, he doesn't. May Allah give hedaya to all who's sincere.

[@EpikMunk]

@@Mr_Moe_Eng Yes, but he doesn't believe that. So again, how are you going to explain to a non muslim without going into further conversation.

[@Mr_Moe_Eng]

@@EpikMunk Bro, I already answered your question.

[@EpikMunk]

@@Mr_Moe_Eng When I asked you the first time, it should have been enough for you to understand and answer, you couldn't so I had to ask you a second time, you still couldn't and now I'm having to ask a 3rd time. Ive explained to difference between Muslim and non muslim and that should have been enough for you to understand and that should be the basis for you to answer my question. This conversation should not have even got to this point. You should have understand my question when I originally posted it and answered it then instead of me having to take the conversation further and ask you a 3rd time how you are going to explain to a non muslim without going into further conversation elswhere.

[@abz006mukalazi3]

I enjoy intellectual discussion

[@malhamaulkubra4437]

Eternal punishment is a fact. The punishment is a circumstance that a soul will acclimatise to for eternity. Hell has a core which is the Fire. This Fire this Blaze this Inferno is different from the earthly fire but has extremes of heat and opposite of heat too

[@alimy1119]

Does anyone have a link to the discussion of this gentleman with Ali, just prior to the one we see here? I would like to see the arguments Ali presented before

[@sj4695]

No one goes hell for eternity for murder. It's only for ascribing partners or rejecting the message whilst being sound minded that lands one in hell for ever authibillah. Shirk is an infinitely wicked crime against an infinitely perfect Deity. Therefore is deserving of a never ending punishment

[@ForeverPalestine]

Mashallah how tall is Muhammad hijab or is he standing on a platform of some sort ?

[@tiktokasylum5186]

To those people that say let us return if accepted that would be unjust towards The people that didn’t need to return and entires heaven.. they accepted god and came to conclusion why couldn’t the others unless it’s the people of fitra we are talking about..

[@jotesoft]

We Muslim always forget the one most important things that the commandment of "do not speak about something which you have know knowledge of". This is not a intellectual debate rather a debate to change someone's point view,whom just disagree with every agreement even the argument makes sense just so that he can keep this point of view intect. This is a really small discussion to explain very quickly. Allah is Marcyfull Allah is also Just, Allah is the true creator & only He has every right to do whatever he wants with his Creation.If Allah decides that disbeliever are going to ethernal hellfire it's He has every right to do so.He is the one and only who set the rules and we are simply here to obey.

[@RazorsEdg3]

Arrogance causes people to question what they know to be true. It's simple really, belief in the unseen or don't... Hell and heaven, hot & cold, eternal punishment or eternal paradise.

[@saacidomar8752]

I'm Muslim and you know What Allah call himself as a Just God so if People asked themselves if he is Truly Just and Fair it's fine ???? إن الله لا يظلم الناس شياء ولكن الناس أنفسهم يظلمون He " Allah" repeats in his Quran Couple of times that verse

[@mcgullible5212]

It's so much more interesting when the guest comes with an open heart and a critical brain.

[@Peace-bn4iy]

Nice

[@tamimi8085]

Minute 30:55 Just a correction Ibn Taymiyya did not have two opinions about eternal hell , he believed it’s eternal and he clearly mentioned that in his books like “Bayan talbees al jahamiyya”. But Ibn el Qayyim is the one who had two opinions about this and his last opinion was that the hell is eternal .

[@tarekzenati5348]

Anas b. Malik reported that Allah's Messenger (may peace be u n him) said: It would be said to the non-believers on the Day of Resurrection: If you were to possess gold, filling the whole earth, would you like to secure your freedom by paying that? He would say: Yes. Thereupon it would be said to him: Something easier (than this) was demanded from you (but you paid no heed to it).

[@elangz9201]

I can hear hatun's voice around 8:54 in the background lol

[@zaphrode4110]

is there a part 2? where they meet again

[@osamafattah2257]

Here's the formula for the punishment, as per my understanding of the discussion. (the time span of the transgression) x (the attributional value of the object) x (the gravity of the transgression) = (the degree of punishment) x (the time duration of the punishment) x (the attributional value of the subject) Obviously, the equation is dimensionally balanced. If '(the attributional value of the object)' is infinite, then '(the time duration of the punishment)' should be infinite, as the other two factors on the right-hand side of the equation are finite in nature.

[@alijawad432]

Osama that was extremely clear thank you brother, but i wonder would the ( time span of transgression matter?) because we know that rather than time span, even if u do shirk for one second before dying u end up in hell fire, and likewise if u beleive in Allah for one second, u dont have eternal punishment. What are your thoughts on this

[@osamafattah2257]

@@alijawad432 True, What I feel is, in a case which deals with believing in Allah, only the last deed of the person in this domain will be considered. A person who does shirk his entire lifetime and accepts the truth just before he dies, will be saved mostly because, accepting the truth alos entails asking for forgiveness

[@kingsentertainment786]

yo khwarizmi

[@jackbateman6331]

More adverts on this video than questions asked!

[@iboxkhan5599]

Why does Hijab look extra giant in this video?... Mash Allah

[@thealchemist500]

This is how a good discussion is, sadly most people on the speakers corner are neither as intelligent as Mohammed or the Guest. This is both a respectful conversation but what makes it good is the level of intelligence and challenge of the more relevant questions rather then questions like why God doesnt like alcohol. Also, you can see the respect between Ali and Mohammed. Ali knows this area is Mohammeds to cover and lets him take it as when Mohammed steps back in other discussion where a more confronting style as Alis are needed

[@HamnetsWorld]

how it all comes together is that God can forgive anything, it's up to you to ask for that forgiveness so that you never have to have punishment in the first place. If you dont commit sins against other people; beyond Shirk and Kufr there is no way for you to commit a sin in this life that you couldn't ask God to forgive you for alhamdulillah and inshallah He would not forgive you for repenting.

[@abuaaisha4031]

May Allah guide him to Islam.

[@WiseEyes313]

Isn’t the simple answer to this mans very valid question, that there is infinite punishment for a finite action because it’s meant to: A) show the magnitude of the action that’s been done (i.e. shirk - associating partners with Allah), and B) deter a person from carrying out the action. This is done out of pure love for us so we stay on the right path without thinking twice. A bit like the capital punishment.

[@Diamond-Essence]

Simple. Too much debating for the same of debating.

[@amybel2687]

At the and of the day we have to think about the intention the free will, the decision between possibilities and the destiny…

[@aq7003]

Maybe because, the finite transgression is only finite due to the intersection of God and not because the transgressors had decided to stop out of there own will. Had it been they were completely free the transgressors would transgress endlessly and this is why the punishment is also endless. However this is just my own think Allah (SWT) knows best.

[@Diamond-Essence]

Good point.

[@noviabdi2095]

it is interesting for me about "the burden of proof" --because it makes clear about the punishment, about how long, about how to serve the sentence----because Allah knows everything, and He knows that human judge, human jury, prosecutors, police officers, or witnesses altogether do not know----even He knows the real intention of people of doing something ---so the eternal punishment does make sense you know, in criminal laws, people get punishment for anything they have done that is considered broken the law----whatever their real intention-----because, simply, we never know the real intention of the person doing that things. and, you know it very well too, if nobody knows about the act of crime or against the law (somehow your accountant know how to manipulate tax system maybe, :)), or somehow the justice system has nothing to prove, or has no evidence, or even they do not have any article or chapter for rules the act---you can go away from human court or they know everything but you hide very well in the island of pacific, ... but since He knows everything, nobody can get away from His judgement and ALSO make sense, because He knows everything, He is mercy and merciful. Just ask for forgiving, and you will be forgiven. So it is also make sense after some time in hellfire, some will get His mercy and then put into jannah. may Allah bless us all

[@999legend8]

Hijab the victorious Masha'Allah.

[@abrarhamid515]

Excellent discussion. Still, I was not happy with something which was missed by brother mohammed and ali. You should have clarified that one will be only hold accountable for shirk if they innately realize that Allah is the only god worthy or worship however they still show ignorance by not worshipping only him as the creator. (although we know Allah takes it upon himself to put his worthiness of being God to his every servants at some point of time which is indicated by the hadith of hell people not blaming god for eternal punishment) I know that the white brother who is in debate with hijab is an intellectual person, but as Muslims, we should be very clear with what we present without leaving any sorts of vagueness. May Allah give us more ability to spread his word.

[@ahmedaly5462]

In the same context : if u believe in one god and prophet mohamed to be the final prophet u can also get eternal reward in the form of paradise With little effort about 60 years of life time.

[@Truthseeker7373]

Is there an English translation available for this debate?😂

[@mustafapk1516]

If you conclude with God is all wise then an infinite punishment for what appears to be finite "sin" is fair because you are concluding that you aren't the most wise and infinite wisdom will always triumph finite wisdom... How are people so confused these days... smh.

[@adamkhan1296]

These type of arguments are quite rudimentary to explain with regards to GODS justice and mercy, what they fail to understand is the 3 dimensions. 1st: Heaven 2nd: Hell 3rd: Universe. After the day of judgement the universe and everything in it will be destroyed so we are left with 2 dimensions Heaven and hell and no other place in between, therefore if you deny the KING OF ALL KINGS, the OWNER of the kingdom of Heaven and all things, then how can you have the audacity to enter the Kingdom, the only other place is hell. A person can die but the soul never dies, so you will either live in heaven or hell.. Its pretty simple really...

[@abdul2499]

is that uzair with the hat on behind MH?