Is FM25 going to be a DISASTER?! (FM Lately)

[@anardi7112]

I tried this but replaced the bechamel with a corn flour slurry. I don't think your recipe is accurate, and I would recommend gluten-free options with flax seed if you try this again. What skin do you use?

[@andrew71017]

😭😭😭😭😭😭

[@duckduckdeew7888]

Top tier waffler

[@Davidbaratunk]

I thought the main thing is: There hasn't been a single piece of positive news about this game so far. A new graphical engine seems to be the only thing going for it, but to not even see a teaser at this point is causing anxiety. SI have not earned the benefit of the doubt: They barely change the game annually, and most of their new features are perceived to be pointless or half-baked. It's staggering how little has changed in twenty years. Miles is a bad communicator, like how he goes on about his holidays in a development post. It just leaves a bad taste in people's mouths.

[@erhan1255]

Cashgrab for years

[@Siddy_7]

I’d rather have international management rather than the women’s game..

[@jordycrumpet]

I think most people mate. But the vocal minority would disagree

[@afroblox938]

@@jordycrumpetof course then make themselves look the majority

[@anthonyduffy6953]

Same

[@Clayts]

You’ve invented the idea that it’s one or the other. Adding more players to the game is different to redeveloping a part of the game. It will be a dedicated team working on research etc. You’re adding 2 + 2 and getting 5 by deciding that it’s Women’s football that is causing the removal of international management. I don’t think additional work load will help with redeveloping a part of the game, but let’s not wilfully just use it as a reason to voice dismissive views.

[@MescudiBarton]

​Spot on ​@@Clayts

[@acw4251]

Delays, removing international management, woman's football, removing weight, removing emails, 'tiles' so can be the same across all platforms, I get some of them will be things to get used to, but everything just seems to be negative so far. Database updates for FM24 could be the way forward.....

[@briansmarty594]

Yea

[@thefoxygentart]

International manager has been in the game for 20plus years and now they remove it

[@jonathanb1406]

Why is women's football a negative? Why is removing a players weight a negative? If they didn't even mention it nobody would care.

[@T.E.S.S.]

oh don't be such a tart

[@d-barb172]

Not too fussed about the game; what about Miles’ trip to America?

[@johndoe2769]

Ohhhh the sacrifice...1st world problems ehh

[@johnyprigioni859]

Less features in the game should lead to a cheaper price. And I doubt that's the case.

[@danmobile8531]

SI are putting all their eggs into one basket with standard mode. No International management, no draft, no versus or challenges. If the main game mode is rubbish then it’s going to look really bad.

[@radupuhalschi7522]

On the other hand, the standard mode is likely the bulk of what people play. If standard mode was crap, I doubt draft or versus mode would keep people playing if they wouldn’t otherwise.

[@leonleon8675]

I eat pasta regularly but if I eat it every day then I'll hate it

[@magicaces13]

It's not that womans football in the game is bad, its the way they want it completely integrated when the two sports are seperate. The integration has caused weight to go from the screen.

[@baeleyy]

Let's be real. You don't care about the weight being missing. You only care because you're a blatant sexist

[@antonioguerreiro1615]

I am giving this version a miss and do not know if I will come back

[@Useless0305]

Literally what is the alternative. I put down Fifa for FM and haven’t looked back. There’s literally no other option

[@antonioguerreiro1615]

@@Useless0305 will be spending my hard earned euros on COD 6 or something else SIGAMES have peeved me off one time too many times

[@rf9971]

​@@Useless0305Sticking with one version and updating it through mods

[@garfunkeljr4839]

I hope they do not release a broken game. A new era should be a reason to celebrate and not a series of disasters. Frankly for me, if they say they need more time they can take another year and fine tune everything. Just make an fm24 patch for a 2024-2025 database.

[@alleroten]

doing anything to put womens football on FM even if nobody ever asked for it and removing weight from the game only because of women explains everything that is wrong with todays world

[@jonathan_hijers4330]

They keep talking about how many % of players play certain modes and remove them because the % is low. But then they're adding Women football which won't be played either.

[@mrmagicalwaffle6630]

You two give the vibe of 'big men' who think women are weak or lesser than men... with that idea in mind, how does it feel that every woman who has ever kicked a ball lives rent free in your tiny mind and all wound you up at once without even trying? Personally I find it hilarious

[@robertomontani7637]

@@jonathan_hijers4330 they will remove the women football then (i hope)

[@jonathanb1406]

No it doesn't. This is just standard boring "everything I don't like is woke" type patter.

[@alleroten]

@@jonathanb1406 sure buddy that‘s what the numbers are saying ..

[@davehanson1578]

So, a few facts if anyone is interested - probably not: 1. Miles isn’t a director of SI. He resigned as a director of the company some years back. 2. They want to, let me get their words right ‘as we transition to a ‘Games as a Service business model’ To me it is obvious they are removing features and stripping it back to sell them on later as a subscription based model or DLC. I know Miles has stated that International management will return in FM26 ‘this will return as part of the base game and not as any form of additional download content’. Thats when I started digging as it is an unusual statement to make for a company that hasn’t really used or forced DLC on people.

[@jonathanb1406]

He's studio director. He literally called himself the head of the studio in the development blog referenced in this video.

[@davehanson1578]

@@jonathanb1406companies house - that is a governement website where every single company in the uk has to log yearly accounts and directors of companies. Miles resigned as director of Sports Interactive on 3rd April 2006.

[@davehanson1578]

@@jonathanb1406Miles resigned as director of Sports Interactive in April 2006 - you can check that out on companies house.

[@davehanson1578]

@@jonathanb1406 He resigned as director of SI back in April 2006.

[@Clayts]

His title is still studio director

[@bill_benjamin]

My biggest gripe is that they released a half arsed FM24 on the promise that FM25 was going to be this new era of awesomeness and now it seems that they have kept stripping it back more and more. I dont care about any of the features that they have removed but what i do care about is that my game is not going to have awful newgen faces and nonsensical AI interactions. My player can be as heavy as he likes provided he doesnt get offended if i congratulate him on his international debut 😅😅 If its basic it needs to be excellent.

[@erhan1255]

Fuck Sega

[@lordjustinian2913]

Hasn't anyone ever thought that for FM25 because it is going to be a big change potentially by changing the entire match engine and graphical engine wouldn't it be better to release it in 2025 and not 2024, give it two years instead of one so they can properly implement International management and stuff like that instead of leaving out the feature itself. Like I don't buy sports games yearly because the only difference between yearly releases is roster updates and leagues being added into the game, nothing substantial is usually done with yearly release schedules.

[@briansmarty594]

Your right

[@אמירלוי-ר3נ]

Looks and feels like the end. Had a good run, cheers mates

[@joshduffety-wong9618]

I'm an experienced Unity developer, and I'd say that the move to Unity is poorly timed from FM. Unity recently lost a lot of support for their business model changes that felt 'money grabbing', and a lot of people have moved to Godot engine, which has surged forward as the free, open-source equivalent to Unity

[@doyle8711]

Money grabbing? Sounds like a SI and Unity are a match made in heaven.

[@UngodlyTurnip]

considering how many things they have removed, like national team management for example, i think this years FM is gonna be a shitshow, to put it mildly. which is unfortunate.

[@LiftandCoa]

mobileesque ui aiso sounds particularly painful

[@MescudiBarton]

​@@LiftandCoa UI is actually a big improvement imo

[@stevedean1602]

Well women’s football won’t last long as I doubt even 2% of us will try it 🤷🏻‍♂️ but then again they will lie and say 30% of us play it 😂

[@The-Marinho]

I would rather have FM25 as a better version of FM24 - Data Update and Bug fixes and so on. Would even have paid for that. And then have a proper FM26 with all the Features on the Unity Engine.

[@Beyondultragaming]

That was the original plan for 24 and for me, there wasn't much difference between the two versions barring a few more new features to the game and getting a bit more of a polished match engine. I can see where you are coming from, where it would have been better to stick for one more year with the old engine and then give them another year of development time for the unity transition. Equally, I believe from their perspective they said FM 25 would be the move to unity so don't want to back peddle on that and then have to put resources into something they feel had reached its end in terms of capabilities from an Engine perspective. and also break a promise in the promise they made that 25 would be game that would be on then new engine so in some ways backed themselves into a corner. So they are now taking two steps back to make 3-4 steps forward now which I think was not what people were expecting going into 25.

[@tactician27]

I expected issues like these since moving to a completely different engine is a tedious process. I am still keeping my fingers crossed. If the engine looks good, I'll be happy to buy it. Personally I don't play other modes like fantasy draft etc but I understand that people who play those modes are disappointed

[@FraserElphick]

Probably gonna keep playing FM24 and wait till FM26. Looks like FM25 gonna be a little like a Beta for the next years game.

[@moze2324]

I think adding women's football to football manager is a great thing, no international football in FM is a big blow though, still hopeful it's going to be a good thing, congratulations up the wife!

[@mikecrawshaw9973]

As a player of this franchise since Championship Manager 2, and as one of the 5% who does actually play as an international manager in my saves I am very disappointed it has been sacrificed. I understand the constraints of basically building a whole new game but to me this will be a big blow. The fact they've added the woman's game during this massive undertaking seems a rather unrealistic goal, as others have stated the additional time and resources needed for all the motion capture, additional database inputs (I know how long this takes from setting up a world super league in the editor), has clearly hindered the team. What % of players will play the woman's game? I would suspect that it will be minimal and less than those of us who play international management. As for removing weight and it not being a "big deal", well personally for me it is, as if I have 2 players with identical stats and height 1 player who is 12 stone and another who is 14 I take the heavy guy every time, they can say it doesn't affect in game performance but from my own experience it really does make a difference.

[@theqaz1828]

7:30 Clayton, if it was just introducing a women's database on the FM24 engine i'd be inclined to agree with you. But it's not. It's double the work produce motion capture and graphics for the Women's game ontop of the Men's.and by doing it, sacrifices (like International management) had to be made. This isn't about weight, it's about ignoring the will of the (vast majority) players by spending a large amount of time producing a mode that maybe 5% of players will care about after a season at the expense of the 95% of players whom will mostly play the male game. Pretending otherwise is kind of dishonest.

[@Clayts]

I just don’t think it’s double the work to do those things, and respectfully, you have no insight at all into how the work is divided at SI. You’re (we’re) simply guessing that women’s football has meant that international football has to be sacrificed. You might be right. But you might be wrong. I actually think it’s a time thing/set back based on the engine change and not women’s football at all. I’m disappointed too that international management isn’t playable, but I’m not going to just blindly blame women’s football for it. Also, there is no ‘women’s mode’. Women footballers will just be part of the standard career mode. And who’s Clayton?

[@theqaz1828]

@@Clayts Miles said himself that women move and play football differently to men and they needed to get separate motion capture of the women vs the men (and of course the women need their own graphics separate to the mens). So yes, it is a significant undertaking and yes sacrifices were made to the overall game to ensure this happened (I agree singling out any specific feature is pointless). I am not against the addition per se (any addition is good really), but pretending it hasn't been at the subtraction of the overall game is just flat out dishonest. It would have been a good addition to the FM24 engine where the "sprites" of the players are so unclear it wouldn't matter. In fact, if it had been up to me, I would just release FM25 on the old engine with the womens game as the "big selling point" (with a moderately discounted price tag) and then save the new engine for FM26 (released earlier in August/September to coincide with the new domestic seasons when interest in starting new FM saves is highest). Fix the game and the release date issue at the same time. Also I appreciate you taking the time to respond even if I don't really beleive you beleive what you are saying and are just saying it to be PC.

[@doyle8711]

@@theqaz1828 Don't waste your time FM Content creators are under orders not to say anything negative about the women's game or FM25 in general.

[@Clayts]

Negative IQ

[@theqaz1828]

@@doyle8711 i really hope not. I know enough seeing @clayts on stream, videos and the streamer showdowns to know he is a genuinely intelligent guy. More than smart enough to understand the concept of opportunity cost and trade-offs. He knows better

[@Jaceyyyyyyy]

I dont agree sorry... Women football isnt for everyone

[@aabom]

How will the community feel when the headlines and “new” features for football manager 26 are just old ones previously removed.

[@oamto]

The only alarming thing to me is there hasn't been much in the way of tangible positives announced. International management was buggy and unfun and needed a massive overhaul and hopefully it gets one in the next edition. The test will be if they have really used this time to improve the aspects of the game that have been lacking for so long like ai squad management and improving the match engine so tactics other than gegenpress can be more effective and different types of players can succeed. If the game has all the same flaws and better graphics that will be a disappointment.

[@davidmarkaldridge9546]

The big question is . . . are they allowing us to 'play' Championnat 2, French league 4, and take over Bordeaux?

[@khalidmkhan]

No international manager. Reason given is very Lite, especially since they give a percentage of how many people actually use it. Makes me think there's another reason. I bet the price will be higher.

[@toadftm]

I have a really bad feeling about it. One year is nowhere near long enough to essentially build a game like FM on an entirely new engine. I'd be surprised if it comes out this year at all, and if it does it will likely be unplayable.

[@Beyondultragaming]

The whole I'll call "Weightgate" I've seen on X has been so stupid. Arron made a good tweet on the whole situation but my opinion on the whole thing was it just doesn't matter. It does not affect how good and bad a footballer is and I also think the reason SI gave was not the one they should have as It gave the "Wokebrigade" I'll call them a chance to just then to use it to then show their twisted opinions to be negative towards the inclusion of women's football but also one of them where some people will just complain for the sake of it really.

[@scpjack7856]

They shouldn't have mentioned it, and honestly nobody would have noticed. It started a culture war for no reason.

[@Beyondultragaming]

@@scpjack7856 I agree and I think this was the opinion arron (RDF) had on Twitter. Gave people the opportunity to moan for the sake of it when it just wasn't really a big deal.

[@avenage]

For me it's simply that their reasoning doesn't make sense as presented. Saying that female footballers weight fluctuates too much so they don't want to display feels like nonsense. And I'm not denying the veracity, it just doesn't make sense as a reason to remove it. Nobody is asking them to accurately depict weight variance and fluctuations, and they already admitted that weight doesn't actually impact gameplay, it's just visual. Not only that but it will still be there in the back end. None of that tells me that it needed to be hidden, they could have used an average, not bothered modelling variability etc. And variability aside, the exact same arguments could be made about height since jumping reach is the stat that actually matters. So, when it comes to "woke brigade" and such, I'd prefer they just come out and say that they didn't want to include weight for female players due to concerns about how the information would be used if that's the reason rather than a wishy washy excuse.

[@blondizza]

SI has gotten away with releasing halfbaked versions for years and years and now they release information of more features cut and postponing the game two months away from expected release. The last roster update this year had pretty much no transfers made after PLs transfer window closed even though alot of leagues continued their transfer windows. I just feel that Miles and SI are making games in the same way as they did pre Steam, today you expect the game to get updated through out its cycle, player interactions being to binary? Fix it and patch it, you dont have to wait for the next version of the game.

[@yorkieandthechihuahua]

Honestly, I'm sad that international management isn't there, but very glad that women's football is. I'm looking forward to trying a "bi-sexual run" - ie taking on a challenge and completing it as a male team and as a female team (order of doing so unimportant). And I agree with you that lifting the awareness of the women's game is a good thing too.

[@TheGeneral_LUFC]

It better not be, the mad scientist is releasing the 94/95 season. Can't wait to play that.

[@chrisbarrett5492]

I think based on fm24 the bar was high its a great game. Fm25 has lot to live up to if they nail single so better tranfer logic from the AI graphics update etc. Im hoping the tools so ability to add player faces skins is still a thing kit basher ai faces as well. Until we see the game im waiting before making a judgement.

[@theqaz1828]

7:30 It was clear all along that the introduction of women's football to FM (it means doubling of all the motion capture and other graphics work) would lead to sacrifices being made in the male game (shown by the recent removals including international). Was it worth this sacrifice?.......time will tell I guess.

[@Mr-Reece]

Unfortunately it’s clear, FM 25 is gonna be the same price as FM 24 but with less to it.

[@MrEdcrowley100]

They've been putting out a sub-standard international mode for decades now, don't see why FM25 should be any different!!? I won't be any FM games again now... I will look for an alternative to step up and make a better game.

[@keithwhittaker]

After the most recent non reveal won't be any preorder from me until I can see what I might get for my money

[@Clayts]

@@keithwhittaker yep I think that’s fair enough

[@bxuzabc]

Theres just no reason to buy fm 25 when fm 24 is a great game that works. Fm 26 everything will be polished and bugs will have been fixed. I don't feel like I'm gonna miss anything

[@cstmollins]

Big skip for me

[@adamfortey4149]

No touch line shouts is ridiculous! The game was supposed to be as realistic as possible.

[@fatmanonabike238]

I think ultimately if you don’t like it don’t buy it, personally I’m going to wait a few months see what the feedback is like first

[@65divy.86]

Up the wife! May your married life be strong, happy and last until death! Congrats! ❤

[@RyanTrezise-e4i]

Won't be a disaster at all. Should look and feel more realistic with Unity, rather than the old school feel its had in the 3d match engine. I'm sad create a club will go as I enjoyed making my local team on the game and going from the bottom to the top, but I can accept it totally. Cannot wait for the new instalment. Screw the doom and gloom, it's going to be different, but different doesn't mean worse, not by any means. Getting rid of "weight" is so woke, VERY woke. Player weight helps in a number of ways. Strength in defensive situations, combined with height, it helps to know if your 6 foot 5 centre back is 14 stone and a brick wall or 8 stone and a strong breeze would blow them over. I get it with the women's side of it, I really do, but taking it out of the men's side is mad. Let's remove "aggression" or "determination" or "composure" shall we, in case someone gets upset. Bonkers.

[@Clayts]

I think the whole point is that weight doesn’t help in any of those ways you stated because other attributes tell you all of that information anyway.

[@alanhardman8504]

My main concern would be the match engine doesn’t work properly. Nothing I’ve seen that they have removed bothers me personally. Always disappointing when things get removed and games get delayed but as long as the game is fun and works. I’m looking forward to the new game

[@jeverydk]

I believe it would be healthy, if people got their expectations down. Do not worry, calm down. Its basically an entirely new game + more they decided to make in less than two years. Note. today Satisfactory releases on steam, which has been 8 years on the way. And okay, not entirely new, but a total refactoring of the entire code base and game engine. We should see it as the next generation of fm, version 3 (CM, FM and now FM v2). It will be a reboot, alot of things will be delayed and stuff will come along the way, because they have a medium-hard deadline to follow the transfer windows and seasons. So lets get our expectations in line and cheer for them to reimplement the features in time and hopefully with the improvement we might have wishes for.

[@doyle8711]

Cheer for your corporate overlords giving you a substandard product. Wow.

[@alexandertsigaridas5411]

Can we buy the hard copy (DVD) for FM2024? I can't be asked with the platforms.

[@Kawamoto84]

I'm thinking about skipping it and wait for FM26

[@doyle8711]

FM26 is being generous. It's likely not going to look good until FM28.

[@12obbo]

100% of that 5.6% came out do the woodwork when the development update was released! 😂 Up the wife

[@joeryan82]

Let them grab the consumer base they're going for because it isn't the people who've bought the game for years. Pass.

[@MrMaceko]

i don't play as an international manager. it just annoys me that i have to manage 2 teams at once.

[@CalTheDamned]

Guess what you don't have to, you could just manage international if you desired.

[@meowwww9275]

The negative reaction is a bit bizarre to me, there seemed to be a consensus that the match day graphics were holding the game back. If so we knew from early on that it would involve a complete rebuild on a new engine so the delays seemed inevitable really, especially if we want them to deliver something worthy. Maybe i am wrong, maybe it was just a vocal minority pushing the rebuild and most of us would have been happy with the usual trickle changes making it less a new game and more an easy to push out update. I for one am going to wait and see what they deliver, i trust them to bring something fresh to the table.

[@Useless0305]

I’m with you on everything believe me. Totally agree. BUT they’ve been working on this unity move since pre covid. It’s fair to say they’ve had a good amount of time to do it and now doing all this 2 months before the game comes out with no screen shots is a bit jarring ngl

[@reddwarf63]

From a marketing and sales POV, i can understand why they put the womens game in, to increase the sales

[@EstariaValens]

Definitely disappointing that International Management will be missing, especially since it's an enormous part of the women's game. But yea, people are really over-reacting about the wrong things. The most telling part is how Miles is cancelling all of his trips. That is truly worrying, since it probably means they're at Defcon 1, all hands on deck. My biggest worry is that they are going to try to squeeze it out in early December, in an unfished form, to get the holiday sales. IMHO, unless they can release a good product, I'd rather see them skip FM25, and have FM26 be the maiden voyage of the new engine. Just pop a few updates into FM24, to sate our appetites through this period.

[@ilamgarek3739]

Congratulations, I’m getting married as well 😅

[@leonleon8675]

In My opinion they should not have added girl football and then remove international football/create club. It doesn't make sense. you add on stuff not remove stuff

[@Ruscococo1]

Whats the point of having a football manager game if you cant win the biggest trophy in football?

[@andymanser2523]

Add women's football or don't, I don't care as I won't play that mode. For no other reason then I don't know who's who and I'm too old to learn. What I disagree with is taking out international management because it seems instead of fixing a game mode for years we have asked to be fixed, they have opted to forego this and add a game mode that, I'd imagine less then 5.6% of the player base will use for anymore then a test run. It feels like the loyal fan has been forgotten about to appease God knows whom.

[@Clayts]

Adding women to the game isn’t a game mode

[@andymanser2523]

@Clayts maybe not a mode then, but it's a different version whatever you want to call it. They have had to create a new world that is woman's football, you aren't getting £50 million plus transfers or the like, in my eyes that's a new mode they have added. It's a new world, different version, whatever the correct wording is.

[@davehanson1578]

It also isn’t 5.6 % of people - they have been extremely clever with the wording - 5.6% of saves. So if I have 100 saves per edition and 5 of those are international ones then that is 5%. If everyone did the same then everyone would have played international management but the figures will still show 5%. There is a reason why they haven’t told us the % of players that played it this year.

[@stevenilic260]

Congrats on the nuptials mate

[@ianbanks3016]

Short answer: Yes. Long answer: also yes. Sounds like they really should have given themselves another year to do this. If they're still struggling to make the transition to Unity a delay of a couple of weeks won't really make much difference.

[@QendorianV]

Clayts I have sent you my first ever FM24 save file. I am quite proud of it and would like to hear what you make of it. I rebranded FC Emmen in the Keuken Kampioen Divisie to FC Drenthe and took them to a top Dutch team with succes in Europe. As a kicker to it being my first save I also don't want football really and mostly just wanted a challenging game to play and learned to play watching your videos. I hope you can have a look at it and hear your opinion. Cheers

[@T.E.S.S.]

jesus christ it's a 2-3 week delay. WEEKS. get a grip.

[@Clayts]

Who are you talking to?

[@tomread6064]

Perks of game pass, no risk

[@michaelbrooks7001]

If the weights weren’t important and weren’t accurate anyways, why get rid of it? It was a feature, they’ve removed it, that’s what I’m not pleased about along with the other removed bits and pieces. I really hope it’s a good game, still have high hopes, but maybe will skip a year of buying and stick with my FM24 save idk 🤷‍♂️

[@ivanlimzg]

Suspect it will be halfbaked at release

[@korayacar9211]

The new flow chart for FM games going forward beginning with FM25 is simple. Does it work for console? No, can we make it work for console? No, scrap it. I suspect the reason we’re getting no playable international football is because they couldn’t find the best way to implement and make it intuitive for console, otherwise they would’ve just left it in the game as is and gone sorry no new features but we’ll work on it for the next game.

[@Rob_FortyTwo]

My thoughts (and I'm one of the "go with the flow" types, not the "noisy wheel" types): 1) international management: I have your opinion, I don't play it because it isn't good. I want to play it, but not until it is good. There will be so much new in this upcoming version, this omission won't bother me much. 2) Women's football; I think including it is good. I do not know if I will play it or not (until international, of course). It is ONLY a bad thing if having it in the game detracts from FM as a whole (ie the extra effort of the inclusion takes too much time away from developing the game as a whole). 3) Weights: the only time I pay attention is when one of my British friends has them listed in "Stone" on their UI, and I have to make fun of them for measuring with rocks.

[@Clayts]

I think we are very much aligned. Except the stones bit. But blame the weird amalgamation of imperial/metric in the UK of that.

[@stevedaytona]

I am unworried about the loss of International Management if it is going to return refreshed next year. More concerning is that they are announcing it now and not in the June blog when they announced the other game modes that were going to take longer to put into FM25. That together with the 2-3 week delay makes me think they are struggling with getting FM25 ready. I'm not getting anxious yet. The time to do that will be end of September if they push back the launch date again into December (or even later). As for player weights - absolutely irrelevant!

[@alinnegru2401]

they ruined this game!

[@stevendaly4640]

Comparing the way this is going with other devs who did similar things, it is absolutely sensible to wait until FM25 has been released to see what the game is like. It has all the hallmarks of being one of those games that will be released in some kind of late alpha/early beta phase. More likely the latter, SI are usually pretty good with their dev cycle. This is something you should do for all games. We all know the signs by now. The lack of international management sucks, but I like their honesty and I like they say it is so they can make it right before release. It gives more faith. Better to have a finished game with some things missing that will come back, than an unfinished one with all features. Still, for me I will give FM25 a miss until I see that it is either working fine, or until the final patch to see if it is good. After the crap that has happened with games like F! manager, I am not gonna pay for games that should be released under early access but instead are released as full, finished games with full price. I have faith that SI will deliver something decent, but I have my doubts FM25 is going to be worth the money over FM24.

[@VillaFanDan92]

It's a shame about International Management, as that is something that I genuinely used to aspire towards for my manager. But, one door closes and another ones opens - I would love the idea to go and try and win the Champions League with the men's and women's team of the same club or something. Like you said, if everything else has improved then it'll be worth it. Proof of the pudding is in the eating and all that.

[@keithwhittaker]

Weight does nothing in the game. Why does it matter why even mention it

[@boynextdoor1951]

Because it's a simulation where you take the role of a manager. The manager would know his players' weight.

[@keithwhittaker]

@boynextdoor1951 it doesn't fluctuate it doesn't affect the sims, so get rid.

[@boynextdoor1951]

@@keithwhittaker Get rid of height too. You have jumping and heading so it's not needed.

[@samthompson2130]

I'm excited for women's football in FM. Not only is it alot of unknowns in terms of player knowledge for the average football fan, but also alot of women's football doesn't have as much history to go off, so create a fresh dynasty sounds very fun. Also probably less finance to deal with, making it more challenging.

[@Bowleskov]

Between migrating to the new engine, and finalising data I think the usual Release date was always going to be tight So i am not too dismayed at a 3-4 week delay. I think a year of overhauling the International Management roles isn't unwarranted, as the game always felt very much like a limited draft anytime I took that type of job, As long as it is back for FM26 in time for the World Cup and it comes back with the ability to better monitor and interact with players and their managers I won't be complaining. As for weight I never use it, to the extent In FM24 I still display it in Kilograms which I have limited context to understand. If it was useful i would have switched to Stones. I think a game that is potentially going to have half a million people (after they add Female Footballers) in the database was always a huge challenge but i assume they must be close to ready for User Testing as to hit their new release date they'll need to submit the a gold version of the game to console stores for approval in mid October. Personally I can't wait to see how they link it all together hopefully they've fixed ownership models to better reflect different models of Multiclub ownership outside of Affiliated clubs.

[@circaen]

Does anyone know of a content creator that has the balls to say: Yeah they are removing weight, an important statistic in football to appease women that nobody asked for? This is the honest take. I don't need them to be doom & gloom nor even negative. It is fine if someone believes it is worth it - to include women. But why can't anyone be honest about what has happened here. It makes it so incredibly gross.

[@Clayts]

It’s not the honest take. I have zero care about weight not being shown in the game, it’s not an important statistic in football. It’s not even a statistic. I said that removing international football is disappointing. And they’re not removing international management ‘to include women’.

[@circaen]

@@Clayts Weight is not important in football? That is an incredible thing to say. You could have at least said "Their football simulation is not deep enough for weight to matter" But again this topic leaves you willing to debase yourself. Except that is not even true because they admit there will be a weight used for the simulation. It is very simple logic that this topic has struck you too shallow to handle - They used their time putting in women's leagues that no one asked for that could have been used making International management. So yes they are removing international management to include women.

[@Clayts]

@circaen you have the brain of a tiny child.

[@VillaFanDan92]

Oh and also, that Stockport coach's move to Real Madrid is off because he couldn't get an EU work permit. Which is quite FM in itself.

[@Sgeeeeeee]

Honestly tho, how would you even fix international managment while keeping it realistic, the main problem is that you have very few games and cant really train a lot, but its not SI's fault, its just like that itl aswell

[@j_rlaub]

Congratulations, up the wife!

[@qingdao16]

Up the wife! Congratulations, may your married life be long and happy. Mine's heading for 50 years in January!!

[@erhan1255]

Yes it will be

[@LI-bg6wh]

international manager mode is not a big deal anyway, people like to play friendlies for 4 years or what

[@SamuelCabral]

Hey @Clayts and about the Menphis Depay going to Corinthians in Brazil? 😁

[@swapnildebnath7876]

congrats man!!!

[@CoachKnapovicEAFC]

Fully agree with everything Clayts.

[@stevegill7773]

Up the wife! Congrats 👏

[@alleroten]

besides everything ur just a wokeboy who tries to fit the narrative

[@Clayts]

Hahah what

[@alleroten]

OMG I apologize from I had no idea I ever commented this must‘ve been a very bad day .. shame on me I‘m used to talking shit when beeing a bit LooLaPaLoo and apologizing the next day but man that‘s just I don‘t know .. I‘m sorry

[@leeclegg2943]

Oooo fellow Scorpio my birthday is 7th november

[@anglaport]

up the wife..? i dont know if writing that is somewhat offensive, me no speak english everyday all night long

[@nevilleneville6518]

Its a play on a somewhat old fashioned English football saying. Instead of saying "Come on Villa!", an Aston Villa fan might say "Up the Villa!". Grimsby Towm are nicknamed the Mariners, so their fans say "Up the Mariners!" or simply "UTM" online. Up The WIfe! is a slightly risque take on this - expressing support for his wife, with a little bit of playful innuendo.

[@Trulyontube]

F for football woman no one care about football woman!...F woke!

[@leonleon8675]

I am not against adding new features. That's what makes fm great. However don't do that to expense of other features such as create clubs and international football.

[@TiAgo-FM]

FC Porto reference 😍🤩

[@petesincock5162]

How did you not name checked Johnny Cardozo who as part of the Lo Celso move to Betis, Spurs now have a 50% sell on Clause for as well as first right to buy and a potential agreed fee

[@barryhavard5]

Wont be buying another fm