Is Gaijin Running Out Of Vehicles?

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[@filonin2]

4:37 Wait, you can see me?!?!

[@mozuesolympian2988]

They should fix and update the old vehicles i feel like if a problem or glitch or whatever isnt fixed within the first couple of weeks of a vehicles release it never gets fixed unless there are mass complaints. Lots of vehicles are also missing ammunition types and armor add ons or different variations. Just look at the many variations of the m1 abrams or the sherman. They could also add the foreign vehicles or lend lease vehicles or even captured tanks to their original nation. There is still plenty of opportunity for variation.

[@Frogiss1470]

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[@TheArklyte]

Judging by them refusing to add ukranian versions of soviet tanks for years and then adding T-80BVM... I don't think the problem is the amount of vehicles.

[@zachd1796]

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[@victorrassnoff7351]

They could also add more maps that everyone likes or better game modes

[@martincoufalik9101]

They develop only things that will bring them more money, since they are greedy and careless.

[@iraholden3606]

@@martincoufalik9101 it's almost as if they are a company

[@franklind.roosevelt7416]

Honestly I think people don’t stress the game mode part enough. We’ve had two versions of zone control and a base capture mode literally since they added ground. I mean there was another in arcade but they removed it a long time ago now. We need something with better objectives or attackers and defenders or something. Hell, anything where you get to do something other than sit in the circle until it’s blue.

[@tornadok1078]

@@franklind.roosevelt7416 game mode doesn't matter since it just comes down to killing the other team

[@jammygamer8961]

in the past i've suggested the idea of Gaijin hosting monthly competitions that have players build and submit maps. The top three maps will then go into the dev server to find flaws in the maps design so they can be corrected maybe even have players rewarded a small amount of gold for them finding the issues with a map. I also believe votes should be held to remove a single map every month if thats what the players want, but if they don't want to they can just vote for no maps to be removed.

[@spartanx9293]

Even if they did run out of vehicles they could just start adding new maps or new game modes that would be great would add a whole new lease on to the game

[@treekid7455]

they wont be making money from that so i doubt it

[@spartanx9293]

@@treekid7455 yes they would just because they run out of vehicles to add doesn't mean people have run out of vehicles to research new maps and game modes with drawing new players and they could make money off of people trying to grind the many tech trees how many people do you know who have actually gotten through every tech tree in the game

[@ProvidenceNL]

@@treekid7455 They would, from people that would actually keep playing the game and spend money for premium etc, but yeah its a less profitable venture for sure.

[@vaelophisnyx9873]

@@ProvidenceNL its more that it's a less visibly instantly profitable venture. New premiums & new stuff to premium-account grind for causes instant increases in their cashflow. New game modes would be fantastic for keeping their cashflow, but not a quick, visible, increase in it. Thus they'd sooner let the game die than make it fun

[@treekid7455]

@@spartanx9293 like the other guy said, it could keep a steady cash flow by keeping an existing player base happy, but it doesnt make as much as releasing new vehicles and premium and since when gaijin ever care about their players being happy lol

[@Rosenrot_raccoon]

There are 8 MiG-21s, I don't think they will ever run out of vehicles. They will just add the same vehicle multiple times.

[@marinandrei1679]

For planes they have a lot of options to add, tanks are the problem tho...

[@norvinosorio22]

@@marinandrei1679 I don't think so. Tanks are still bountiful for future implementation, they still have yet to add in the Arjun and the OplotM, T-90m and so on.

[@Miron_Marnic]

@@norvinosorio22 Even if they run out of that disgusting top tier, there are HUNDREDS of ww2 era tanks to add.

[@marinandrei1679]

@@norvinosorio22 they still can add other nations vehicles

[@TR33ZY_CRTM]

@@norvinosorio22 Ah yes, I can't wait to be able to use the Arjun MBT in WT. 😌

[@mnguy98]

Enduring Confrontation for ground battles would be kickass imo. I like the idea of being part of a larger scale, slower-paced battle, rather than the small quick skirmishes that make up pretty much the entirety of ground gameplay.

[@eldarguardian6485]

It is not suited to the typical f2p player though, that is because it requires patience, dedication, calculated pace and comes with responsibilities like spending the time to get to battlefield again, being unable to make a quick revenge out of spite is very destructive to weak minds that cant accept the failure. There are many that would love the more slower pace that suits the "realistic" flavours and limitations that vehicles are implemented with. F2P games aim for the masses of casual players, free also means accessible and that means people who dont care and or kids. Also this company loves its strategy of making players chasing the carrot on a stick so make sure that the thing that keeps You playing the game isnt just being boxed by hope of what this game "almost is" how "close to perfection" it is or what it "could become" or what You simply wish it to become because it likely wont happen. Just a marketing trap.

[@Josh-jw3go]

@@eldarguardian6485 Make it a separate game mode. No one would force those people to play it

[@eldarguardian6485]

@@Josh-jw3go It requires a different approach from balancing point, different assets to be made for the mode to not look half assed and gaijin wont do that if that means splitting the player numbers from the casual masses as that would increase que times for those impatient and already complaining ones. Look, I would like it to happen too it is just not likely.

[@Rumpelpumpel3]

@@eldarguardian6485 Oh no, a company has to put in actual work into their game instead of frustrating players into buying premium

[@magikarpusedsplash8881]

EC would be more immersive too, as current ground battles are practically adjacent to sports games with the pacing, players are punished for playing defensively.

[@mrs9935]

If they run out of vehicles, maybe they'll finally focus and on improving the game itself. Maybe I'm being a bit optimistic.

[@sackofwetmice428]

God I hope they add a butch of patches and bug fixes, but war thunder players are not that fortunate

[@balazsfonnyadt1903]

"Well, seems like we ran out of tanks and aircraft to add... So from tomorrow, all research progress will have a 0.1 multiplier, so you can play more without getting bored, or you can try Naval! Isn't that great? Guys, why are you leaving? Guys?"

[@CharliMorganMusic]

They will never do that because it doesn't sell GE.

[@Geniusinventor]

Gaijin should add DIY vehicles like Toyota Hilux with 0.50cal MG on the back that will be fun

[@Basket_Propellors]

@@Geniusinventor that's just the GAZ-AAA with the DShK but modern

[@ArchaeopteryxGaming]

Furthermore, you can still fill the techtree. For example, there is no early Leopard 2. From the Leopard 2K directly to the A4. The first 3 variants had inferior armor, fire control computer etc. Also a Leopard 1A6 VT2 would be interesting, that was a prototype that got the 120mm L/44 of the Leopard 2, along with additional hull front and roof armor.

[@jaspergood2091]

The L2A4 was the first Leo 2

[@jaspergood2091]

@@gaiamission7200 oh you're right, in my head A0 to A3 were prototypes. I now see that A4 was just the definitive model

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[@Brave_Sir_Robin]

They _could_ also go back in time- adding older vehicles to the start of the tech tree

[@IonPerseus]

Imagine getting on mazhino in mk1

[@AEB1066]

Have WW1 tanks and vehicles and the early 1920s on WW1 battlefield style maps? While only a few tanks served in reality in WW1 there were heaps of designs that weren't built or were too late. And in the early 1920s AFV design went feral as no one had nailed down what made an effective AFV yet. For example the KIngdom of AFghanistan bought any AFV they could find and had one of the largest and craziest tank forces in the early 1920s.

[@anthonyberger810]

That would create viable and playable lineups which go against Gaijins business model (maximum grind, and minimum avenue of grind)

[@hashteraksgage3281]

No one whould play a 5mm armored slow can with 2 machineguns

[@Brave_Sir_Robin]

@@hashteraksgage3281 bet.

[@exo068]

There are still so many stuff to add. With the addition of the 4 gen fighters they could add more potent SPAAs like the Linebacker or the LAV AD. There is also more technology like the camouflage nets that can lower the thermal signature of a tank.

[@kkang2828]

There are still a ton of WW2 and early jet stuff they could add.

[@liviuganea4108]

No more SPAA for gaymerica.

[@exo068]

@@liviuganea4108 why ? They would be perfect as event vehicles.

[@TADAMAT-CZ]

They could (and probably would) add more nations such as Czechoslovakia, Poland or Jugoslavia as independent nations, subtrees of some nations like Korea, Finland, Hungary or Romania and they can also add mixed techtrees like south America or middle east. Also there are lot of missing variants of vehicles that are already in game. If they ran out of the designs that were actually build one day, they can still use some paper tanks (there are already few in game, some of which are completely fake)

[@MrWeenuk21]

they should just do a wot blitz and just add a europe for the smaller nations and fill it up as it goes.

[@Charleykaroly]

@@MrWeenuk21 im pretty sure there are too many tanks made by those nations to put them into 1 group, there should atleast be a west/east or a west/middle/east divide.

[@dlfn7623]

I would love to see crazy cold war prototypes. That means I might see the Strv 2000, which would be a dream come true.

[@dovaskarr]

What the f is that tank I just googled xD That tank would be the end of you if you encounter him on a hill

[@nighthawk6755]

For France there’s still a lot to do new ammo for the Leclerc s2 an even better for the XXI / xlr / azur kit / Leclerc terminateur

[@trossk]

And a IFV and a few more SPAA

[@majo3488]

@@trossk New SPAA for what? The VT-1 carriers seems not good enough for you - hm?

[@trossk]

@@majo3488 something to fill in the gap between 4.7 and 8.3 would be nice

[@majo3488]

@@trossk Ah, yeah. Because the comment was all about top tier I assumed that you meant SPAA for this era. But yeah, some nations lack a mid tier SPAA and so you are forced to use planes in GRB.

[@jeandelacroix6726]

@@trossk if you want new spaa for France I would suggest looking at "How to fix France's spaa gaps" on war thunder reddit. It only gives 6 new vehicles but all of them improve the spaa line. Though there are much more than just 6 left. Given most spaa turrets France made were put on 2-3 different vehicles each IFV wise : AML Eclairage (20mm + Milan) > AMC 6X6 (30mm + HOT + STAB + thermals + CITV) > EBRC (40mm + F&F MMPs atgm + thermals + CITV + sound locator + LWS +airburst rounds)

[@ZETH_27]

0:20 the "if" as opposed to "when" is a very important detail here.

[@Gary_The_Metro]

I just wish they would make sure that some nations have the gaps in their tech trees patched rather than adding newer top tier vechiles. Lots of nations have little to no good SPAA in the early tiers. And in the mid tiers you got germany and russia with IFV's for days. While many nations have no IFV's at all until 8.0 and beyond.

[@nathaneddy502]

Sweden's tech tree holes are massive you can park an entire half decade between them. There are just random full br gaps that makes lineups impossible.

[@MrAgorar]

@@nathaneddy502 fucking love that Japan got 2 AA vehicles in low BR meanwhile you have a 3 BR gap from 5.0 to 8.0/8.3 in the same line. Same for Swedes honestly. And then you have to grind a full ine in the techtree for airplanes just to be able to move from tier IV to tier V.

[@anthonyberger810]

@@nathaneddy502 those gaps are deliberate. Gaijins business model revolves around extending the grind as much as possible while making lineups as ineffective as possible. I made a comment explaining in detail why Gaijin is in fact running out of vehicles to add, or at least ones that will make them money (which is of course the only vehicles they care about)

[@jeandelacroix6726]

Wish they added the AMX 13 S232 with quad 20mm, the french CCKW with Flak 38 or even the Citroen 45 with one Hotchkiss 25 AA gun

[@Real_Claudy_Focan]

French players be like ; "Am i a joke to you ?" There's TONS of french vehicles to be added, but i guess Gaijin will have now even more troubles to get access to french museum to get data for their models..

[@IonPerseus]

They have also offices on Cyprus and in hungary, but they're just lazy lol

[@ODST_Parker]

I genuinely hate how people are so opposed to parent trees. Do you have any idea how many nations would have awful grinds in this game if we did nothing but individual nations that have armored vehicles? Why is it so bad that China and Taiwan are in the same tech tree? America and Canada? Britain and South Africa? And yes, Russia and Ukraine? This is a VIDEO GAME! This is not an international politics simulator, if you do not like countries with similar vehicles and military history being lumped in together to form a more cohesive tech tree grind, go find another hobby.

[@435cyberteam9]

Exactly. I wish they'd bunch more stuff up, like Birtain and the commonwealth into one tree (or even just create an entire new tree focused on the entire commonwealth), the US and other american nations (or again, just bunch up other american nations into one big tree of its own), the balkans or just minor european nations if there aren't enough balkan tanks and so on the list is endless. It's not hard to implement these minor nations into the game as they can be bunched up with other nations if they use this idea, I just feel like a lot of people would be against this since its the kind of parent tree idea, but it adds diversity, not just to the game as a whole but to entire individual trees playing many different types of vehicle designed by different countries and geared towards different doctrines. It might even add to some nations that have little to no vehicles for certain br brackets, an issue I think Sweden has which could be fixed by making them a Scandinavia tree instead of just Sweden.

[@P.K.Veiller]

Example of Russia: Instead of Russia just create combined "Eastern Europe" tech tree with Russia as main branch and on the side you would have Warsaw pact tree/polish pre war tree/czech and others. And in Sim battles it would just use the vehicles for Poland for example on the same BR if you have only polish vehicles in the lineup vs Russians or Germans.

[@Past10Performance]

I would perfer to have a few countrys that have very few vehicles them selves that you could "ally" 2 small countrys together and combine their Tech trees

[@CT-1902]

@@P.K.Veiller I would say that I like your idea but I believe that the Soviet Union's tech tree is already large enough as it is so perhaps making Eastern European nations their own tree just Eastern Europe would be a good idea as well. You could even access this tree at certain points through the Russian tech tree when certain vehicles were given to other nations by the Russians or the Soviets. The same could be done for some Asian tech trees where you could have the Chinese tech tree and then you could research out of it into a new tech tree that would be the pan-Asian tech tree, consisting of places like Taiwan Singapore Bangladesh. You could even go as far as to make a NATO alliance tree of all of the Nations that don't quite have enough to make a full-on tree I would love to go down to Brazilian line and get a 90 mm gun equipped M3 Stuart, or God forbid give me the osorio. You could even go a little further in the organization and have specific trees that only exist in specific br's and historical points. You could have an axis tree that would consist of other access Nations like Bulgaria or Hungary but only during world war II.

[@R4V3-0N]

The United Kingdom is missing a lot of vehicles. Even ignoring how little bombers, interceptors, fighters, cruiser tanks, infantry tanks, heavy tanks, etc are for what they could have. We could easily have a Coastal Command line, tactical bomber line, Light tank line, Armoured car line, SPA line, etc. and that's while ignoring the entirety of the Commonwealth who could muster together a second Cruiser Line/ Generic tank line, an SPA + SPAA + SPG line, Fighter line, etc. Are there iconic, significant, and popular vehicles among these lines and potential additions? Yes! Will people flock to the UK tree for them? That's not up to the vehicles. Nothings wrong with them. The problem is how Gaijin adds them and balances them. When Gaijin adds something people want to play - but hurts its ability to kill, its ability to survive shots, puts its BR higher than realistic OR balanced opponents to the point that despite you're a WWII heavy tank you are the same BR as a post war vehicle that has hundreds of mm of pen with HEAT-FS while your gun historically able to punch through a panthers UFP at 500 yards but can't even do it with the same standard round at 10m in WT. Peoples hype die, a lot. This is in my opinion why a lot of players do not like lower ranks in general - Gaijin cares less about balance, those who do not care about the vehicles grind past them / don't buy them and those who do play them to the point they get another 1 or so BR increased and another 10k to the repair to really make sure no one wants to ever play them enthusiast or not. Gaijin literally can not run out of vehicles. Gaijin will how ever lose the players interests if they have a list of vehicles they neglect and abuse longer than those that is considered fun or balanced to play in and also give players no reason to play the game without the grind incentive. WT's game modes are a joke and the difference between winning or lossing more often than not is a dice throw of how many people will leave after 1 death and how many people want to farm kills to grind faster instead of winning.

[@happalula]

so there actually IS the chance that i can finally drive a mighty BANEBLADE!!! ?

[@just_violet]

I do hope they'll add artillery tanks like the Paladin or Phz-2000

[@Phantom-bh5ru]

Can’t wait for gaijin to run out and start adding paper vehicles. Can’t wait for the 150ton MBT concept vechile with over 3000mm of rhs equivalent, unmanned turret with a crew capsule.

[@alvinkwok587]

That's true, what gaijin do is mostly vertically expanding tech trees aka adding vehicles with higher br ranks, but what they can also do although rarely is to expand horizontally, essentially BR decompression, still following the br ranking system but include an even larger variety of vehicles in. I think br decompression is a thing that may attract veterans who left the game to come back and have fun grinding the new stuff again.

[@JayManty]

I have some around 1000 hours in the game and I haven't finished a single tree (albeit I've got to at least tier IV in every nation in both planes and tanks, I'm also an "above average player" according to thunderskill), the game is nowhere near running out of vehicles for people to research unless you literally don't touch grass and always have premium on. Literally after 600 games running almost exclusively premium or talismanned vehicles in just the German tree, the highest vehicle I've gotten is the Leopard I/SPz BMP-1 in tanks and the first Me 262 in jets

[@Mr_3raqi]

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[@lolocraft1958]

Not only don’t they have a single tech tree with all the vehicle in it, but also not all Nation, maps, era, game mode, and even type of vehicle Here’s a quick list of things they could add NOT including vehicle from what they have as a range of era, type and nation: Submarines, Infantry, Cargos aircraft, recon aircraft, WWI era, between-the-two-war era, Poland, Tchecosloviaquia, yougoslavia, arty (as a playable one), Bomber escort and interception mode, infantry mode, strategic attack and defense mode (infantry with a couple of tank attacking something like usine, a town or a military base, and the other team defending it with bunkers, trench, arty, etc) and a full-war mode who would include everything the game can offer in a huge war-scale game who could last several month, with multiple operation, inspired by real conflict (Pretty much a World war mode, but better and not as an event) Will Gaijin eventually have nothing more to offer? Yes, this is inevitable, by logic. How much time would it take? With an update 2 or 3 times a year, probably several decade

[@gmt1]

650 hours in an I haven't completed a single tech tree, I don't think its possible to grind out every vehicle without pumping money into the game. As others have said, even if they run out of vehicles, they could keep the game going by adding new maps and gamemodes. I would love a capture the flag style mode and a 'great war' gamemode, wherein each nation competes to control a large map split into several zones, with each zone requiring one or multiple matches to win. It would give some purpose to playing GRB aside from grinding for Sil and RP. It wouldn't even need to be super competitive. Just do it For Honor style and reward the nations who captures the most zones with Sil or Boosters.

[@sirnurtle657]

They could still add in more tech tree's like you said. For example, an idea that seems rather popular is that you have a group of minor nations in one tech tree, so for example: "The Eastern Block" so basically, polish, hungarian, czechislovakia, latvia, etc. Same thing with the Commonwealth (Australia, Canada, South Africa, New Zealand, India, etc) and Scandinavia (Sweden, Norway, Denmark and Finland

[@felixfj007]

Not to be too picky, but Finland isn't part of Scandinavia, it's part of the Nordic countries. Sweden, Norway and Denmark are the only Scandinavian countries.

[@therightmind7466]

When in need of a new vehicle, there's always a new variet of the sherman to be found.

[@Alpha1598753]

France still has some MBT to add, 2 prototype of what became the Leclerc, Leclerc prototype equiped with a 140mm cannon and the Leclerc XLR wich would be the latest in service version of it not counting the armor module and ammo missing on some of Leclerc we have in game already

[@profacecreator3810]

Broo the 140mm one could pen the Leo2a7 cheeks. It would be so op.

[@jeandelacroix6726]

There's the Subvariants as well S1 should get S1 T3 or S2 T8 or SXXI T10 and T11. Protos are S1 T1 afaik.

[@thejonathan130]

How can they run out of vehicles when they only have 7 or 8 nations available? If they run out of vehicles for any of these nations, all they have to do is add another nation.

[@hklassehutten1476]

There's so many bombers that can be added into the 1.0-1.7 br range is a good example of Gaijin being too busy with their stocks than their customers

[@egonieser]

Dude, nobody gives a crap about bombers. There's like 1-2 bombers people regularly use and that are actually worthwhile using. Outside of Naval, bombers are literally useless. Strike aircraft do what bombers do but better and are actually able to dogfight. Spawning in a bomber pretty much means wasted SP/SL. Gaijin ain't stupid, they're not gonna waste resources on something nobody will ever use apart from a few aviation geeks or some sadomasochist spading the full tree.

[@joshuamueller3206]

They have a lot more to add; Jets up to F-22A, F-35A, Su-57, J-20, etc Tanks up to Leopard 2A7, M1A2 SEP, etc Submarines Modern Naval Naval and Helicopter trees for others India Korea Turkey Possibly Spain, Poland, Yugoslavia Danish and Norwegian premiums Various little known or skipped over WWII vehicles (B-26B/C) is a prime example.

[@nicolafiorenzani7317]

Amazing work! Simple, short, and straight to the point! Keep it up!

[@Vidic236]

Yugoslavia and other Eastern European countries if combined can total at around 100 original ground vehicles Air tech tree would be an even bigger number Source: did a study and created an entire tech tree for 2 weeks

[@BE4STINESS]

I don't think you can combine Yugoslavia with the other eastern european countries, as they've never really been on the same side, even during the cold war. Yugo would have to be standalone, if you want to respect historical alignments, as they were against the Axis and neutral in the cold war (despite being communist). I'm all for a Hungary/Romania/Bulgaria(?) combined tree, and a Poland/Czechoslovakia tree could work too.

[@Vidic236]

@@BE4STINESS It would be much better if they are combined into a single tech tree due to balancing Yugoslavia for instance would be lacking in ground rank 1 to 3 Meanwhile countries such as Czechoslovakia, Romania, Hungary and Poland contain huge amounts in rank 1 to 3 Once rank 3 is passed, it becomes the opposite for majority of the tech tree with exceptions from a decent number of Czechoslovak and polish vehicles As for the Air Tech tree, Yugoslavia would dominate majority of the ranks but the addition of other nations would definitely improve it in a balanced way Also given that lots of Eastern European players play warthunder, I think that having a combined tech tree would please them all. However I am fine with Yugoslavia alone too

[@BE4STINESS]

@@Vidic236 indeed, if you disregard historical alignments, a combined Eastern Europe techtree would be quite complete and unique indeed. It's either one big ass tree that's well balanced or a couple smaller trees like Sweden and Isreal, both options have their pros and cons. I wouldn't want to have to grind through a big tree just to play my nation's favorite vehicle. That being said smaller trees would give unbalanced lineups, and big br skips between vehicles. I'm all for Eastern Europe's representation in the game, they are frankly getting slept on.

[@Comrade_Bly]

What if they add heavy recovery vehicles. They would be a niche role not having very powerful weapons but could repair any friendlies in the field and possibly drag destroyed friendlies back to control points or the spawn for a half refund of SP to the owner.

[@tornadok1078]

Lol no

[@cosmicdistortion4350]

to be honest, that sounds really bad. maybe it'll be different in practice tho

[@Orangefan77]

lol have you ever *seen* teammates in this game

[@volatile100]

If the game had something like enduring conflict but for tanks, and maybe up to 64 player games, then that wouldn't be a bad idea. But for right now, it's a completely horrible idea.

[@g.williams2047]

Support vehicles will be very interesting. I’d like that.

[@thewhiteowl9885]

They could implement visual changes to vehicles when you upgrade them, like wot, that would feel extra rewarding when you grind but will maybe confuse some

[@jackbourke4125]

Thanks for clearing things up was starting to think this myself!

[@tankrider6897]

They can always add event/premiums from countries that arent even in the game yet, such as things like the super bulldog M41 DK-1 or other interesting tanks

[@program4215]

This concept entered my head years and years ago and it has been frustrating that nobody seems to understand it. I think War Thunder players who look at things more than a year down the line are basically non-existent. The entire point isn't that Gaijin will run out of vehicles, but that they will run out of vehicles that perpetuate their business model. Sure, they can always add more WW2 or cold war vehicles, but they will not generate anything close to the hype and revenue that something like the F-14 or a stronger Abrams variant will. Gaijin replaced their site banners and launcher themes with modern/late cold war vehicles years ago. WW2 and Korea are mostly relegated to just being the filler content that new players wont care about and will be pushed to short-sightedly pay their way through. They can drag it out for maybe a couple years by abandoning their stance on paper vehicles, putting out more content-anemic nations like Israel, and even just stretching things out by slightly decreasing the amount of content added per patch, but it is inevitable no matter what that they will run out of power creep, and any of these actions would be unpopular with many players both new and old, so it would still be a matter of diminishing returns.

[@lewycraft]

Like really, Gajin have so many different nations to choose from to add tanks on various BRs, like Poland, Czechoslovakia, Yugoslavia, Hungary, even some additional ones like South American vechicles.

[@zeusz3237]

Just from my little shitty nation there are like 10 vehicles in total that could be added. Not the most uniqe ones, they are similar in some stuff, but they are still there.

[@vgames1543]

It would be awesome to have Gaijin change their attitude towards paper vehicles, and make vehicles like the IS-7, E-100, Coelian etc. aviable to everyone.

[@quimleyofficial]

After they catch up with the vehicles they would probably add submarines, other nations, infantry and then probably a world war mode where all vehicle types are usable (kind of like Heroes and Generals)

[@duncanmcgee13]

Still want WW1 and interwar vehicles. Especially planes. They could also expand naval some more. We still dont have playable carriers or WW2 era battleships, just a small few interwar ones and heavy cruisers.

[@rensevers8833]

im just silently waitintg for a mark 1 tank to roll onto the battlefield

[@ambravirlebreton]

French Navy be like : "hello"

[@thomasgray4188]

I do not ever believe that we will ever run out of vehicles we don't even have all of the mass produced spitfire models yet.

[@kiliandrilltzsch8272]

I'm sure that the last two vehicles they will add are some spitfire and the möbelwagen

[@Maktumekal_Ilzrei]

@@kiliandrilltzsch8272 Nah man, last vehicle they ever add will be the Skink

[@pauld6967]

There are still plenty of vehicles to add. For example, I am still waiting for them to add the MIM-72 Chaparral to the American tree. Then it can work alongside it's doctrinal counterpart, the M-163 VADS, which we already have in the game, as they did in real life.

[@BOKCGrizzlyWarlord]

M4 Sherman with Pershing Turret

[@WednesdayAddamsMW]

Yes. I want one of those.

[@MetalRodent]

There's still loads of WW2 and early cold war planes and tanks (production vehicles, variations and prototypes) that could be added even before getting back to the modern stuff, but as he points out sadly these don't bring in so much money so we're getting them at a much slower pace . More maps would be good too, especially new ones designed specifically for higher tiers (as a lot of our current maps simply aren't balanced for missiles, apfsds, thermals etc)

[@strakhovandrri]

The trouble with all these modern vehicles is that you need to grind 800+ to just get a look on a battlefield at the vehicles which were in the trailers.

[@YoRHaUnit2Babe]

Object 490: *intensely starts begging Gaijin to be added*

[@garretturbaczewski2019]

Honestly there are plenty of vehicles in the game right now. They should shift focus on adding/improving/changing new game modes. I really wish we got some kind of grand scale co-op mode to at least break things up.

[@nathaneddy502]

With 4th gen fighters on the horizon expect to see quite a lot of new aircraft features to take advantage of 4th gen hardware. That'll be where the focus is for the next year.

[@garretturbaczewski2019]

@@nathaneddy502 Yeah, sadly new toys bring in the revenue but I wish we would get a update to game modes. People have been asking for the A-10 and SU-25 but I can't see how they would be playable since they would be facing supersonic jets while they are subsonic, making them easy pickings.

[@nathaneddy502]

@@garretturbaczewski2019 I've wanted for months gajin to categorise aircraft away from trees and then limiting CAS selection to mission types and game modes. This lets players select which aircraft they wanna deal with for cas based on different game modes and map selections. It's the easiest way to generalise what each player wants out of the game. With each limiting gamemode due to difficulty reductions having a hit to sl or RP. This will let planes like the thunderbolt and su25 fly without dealing with heavy fighters like mig 23 or phantoms. Instead you can focus on mostly ground to air defences which are already as broken as ever when you're pitting 21st century SAMs against 1970s jets.

[@something_001]

I disagree that the drive to play war thunder comes solely from unlocking new vehicles, I myself have 4500 kills in the M1A2 and 4200 between the F5E and F4E combined and I honestly have no intentions to start grinding another tree, my drive to play the game comes from playing those few lineups that I really enjoy

[@shturm602]

4:21 Gaijin putting ROC and PRC vehicles in tech tree: *imma pretend i didn’t hear that*

[@wintersal449]

I wouldnt even mind the inclusion of made up "future tanks" at the utmost top tier so long as they stay grounded in reality. Same as you said with paper tanks. Tho i would add onto it with them not being able to be used in sim battles

[@RedVRCC]

Agreed, would love to see the concept tanks intended to be potential replacements to the Abrams in the game

[@carklonk8233]

Great video as always spookston, very nice to hear your take

[@mitchverr9330]

Just off the top of my head I can think of about 20-40 relatively unique light tank/armoured car/truck systems for the UK alone, yet alone France, Germany, Russia, USA and any other nations added either as their own tree or as sub trees (like South Africa was). Heck I would think them to actually be pretty unique/fun too (like think of Land Rovers with WOMBAT on them, or TOW 2, or MANPADS, then you got jeets/humvees like that, and VABs, along with humber cars, GAZ trucks, so on and so forth. Heck even the "modern halftrack" vehicles like the Laird Centaur which had a few weapon systems strapped to it. Then you got all the new types of light CAS with COIN planes like the Pucara likely to be seen, BAC strikemaster, dragonfly, Bronco (heck even Mohawk though its likely to not do well).

[@1nv15BL3]

Centauro Draco...

[@jeandelacroix6726]

I can stabilize the entire french lineup from 8.0 to 11.0 without problems LTs and IFVs included and fix the SPAA line as well for France, Britain and the US without leaving gaps. Gaijin just needs to put out a bit of effort really.

[@chiledog17]

I would love to see more nations, however, I'm more inclined to them being added to pre-established tech trees. while I agree it's not always the best solution, adding Brazil to Italy, or Norway to Sweden could not only help fill many of the awkward holes in the trees but can also provide vehicles that have little chance to be in the game. My one condition would be that the nations have some semblance of coordination in equipment design or history with one another.

[@marbletabletop]

They should do a collab with toyota and add in technicals

[@news_internationale2035]

Toyota with BMP-1 turret.

[@valian8985]

FCM 2c when ? Ps : you could do a video on it, its a realy intresting vehicle with lots of intresting story behind !

[@MongooseLetLoose]

Don't forget Yugoslavia and countries after Yugoslavia like Croatia, Serbia and Bosnia and Hercegovina. They had so many unic tanks

[@zefflin1451]

So when I saw this i thought, yes because I want more hours to grind. To elaborate, I've spent four and half hundred hours in the German tech tree to get the cold War tanks and AFV's (I haven't even got a BR for BR plane to go in my line up) The games aren't bad, there okay, but when I hear someone who's got everything and says: oh we need more. Makes me want to commit not live. (I'm joking that would be petty) But you get my point, the grind as it is does not need to get more and more frustratingly long it is not needed.

[@Ultrakillerism]

It sucks that maybe for WW2 stuff (planest, tanks and naval) War Thunder is an accessible game, but for us modern (post-WW2 stuff) folk there is either no naval game with modern navies (and for a good reason) unless you make a game specialised on something like how Dead Waters is, and the golden age of naval warfare is gone with WW2, but for modern tanks/ground forces you either have Armored Warfare (which is arcade and meta is pretty much MBT slugfest) and other older games like Arma, or the upcoming simulator Gunner Heat PC. For modern air you got at least more options in terms of arcade and simulators (Project Wingman, Ace Combat, DCS etc). Gaijin is losing a lot of potential market by forcing every modern warfare fan to grind through a lot of stuff he is not interested in for a lot, A LOT of time, or spend ridiculous amounts of money so he could play his favourite modern tank(s), whichever they may be. I know this will enrage a lot of the fiscally-concerned people, but Gaijin should have split up Ground Forces into Modern and Historical. Sure, this would have also messed up integration with naval and air, but the fact that in order to have access to the tank(s) that you are interested in you got to grind for 6+ months if not over a year is ridiculous, not to mention modules. Sure, you have the option to buy a premium of said tier in order to boost research, but that is also expensive and also situational for those nations that might have a premium tank that you can use to get to whichever you want to.

[@dreadnoughtprime6301]

As always a very well thought out video that I can agree with pretty wholeheartedly

[@Freesorin837]

I play War Thunder for the experience of large scale combined arms warfare over land, sea and air with reasonably realistic damage models. If they never added a new vehicle ever again it wouldn't harm my gameplay experience. I play War Thunder because it brings something to the table I can't find anywhere else and that alone will keep bringing me back for years on end. I don't need constantly changing live service, I need a quality product.

[@DeliveryTank]

Add a stupid game mode that turns out fun. Like for example, a team defends a convoy, the other team tries to destroy it.

[@reaps912]

War Thunder's biggest problem is the overreliance on 'content' (ie vehicles) whilst practically ignoring everything else (the gameplay especially) I remember joining circa 2015 or so and assuming the "join queue and then have a random battle with random players on a random map in a random game mode" would be placeholder gameplay and yet here we are. Just as bad is how any smidge of immersion is continually snuffed out with the mishmash of nationalities, maps, eras etc

[@BotherRed]

Frankly, I see it as a good thing. Force them to improve gameplay over just throwing in "The one thing that people simp for and will pay all the GE for" they can only sipon wailes for so long.

[@hristinaivanoska3673]

"You run out of content" My on IV tech tree be like interesting

[@derubermanns1210]

Looks like gaijin is finishing there tech tree

[@adampoultney8737]

Things like adding the option for clipped or extended wings to the relevant variants of spitfire could hugely increase the number of options without actually adding even any new vehicles. I’d love to see more spitfires because a lot of what they have in the game already are variants which are functionally very similar. Add the floatplane version, the wingtip types, the PR.G (armed reconnaissance mkia essentially, could have some interesting mechanics in ground battles), etc. Other aircraft have similar things where new options or new variants could really change the way a vehicle can be played (many Bf109s already have their extra cannons for example)

[@wafflecopter9296]

I think most people already have enough vehicles to research that it will take years to get them all. Not even including warships. And I think there are still a handful of WW2 tanks still not added such as the T67 tank destroyer. It never saw combat but prototypes were made

[@majo3488]

From the perspective of where my money goes they should add new nations with top tier premiums. I usually use boosters (as a veteran player with full lineups I have over 300) to grind a nation with their top tier premium but before that I spend the 1000 GE on a crew - you can get it to Level 70 and buy an expert crew. For me this is just really effective. I just don't like the gameplay of this early cold war or WW2 stuff (the pre war period is fun but the players are so new most of the time that it isn't any competition) and because of that I almost never play below 9.0. They could add south korea as a new nation and make plenty of money with it.

[@Tigershark_3082]

We still have yet to get the rest of the Century series, A-6 Intruder, F-111 Aardvark (multiple variants such as the FB-111, F-111B, etc), F4D-1 Skyray, F7U Cutlass, F6U Pirate, XF5U flying Flapjack, F-107 Ultra Sabre, XF8U-3 Crusader III, F-4S Phantom II, A-4M Skyhawk, etc. There's just so many, and that's just aircraft for the US that don't even go into the somewhat modern setting.

[@adalberto6460]

The Osório from Brazil, won against the best tanks at the time, it wold be good to see other nations on the game!

[@anobody7467]

I found an interesting idea, give IFVs a separate objective like moving supplies or something.

[@Zack_5t]

War Thunder could just add more like minor country tanks like Switzerland or Yugoslavia or Czechoslovakia or Romania or and other way is to add MBT that is made for other countries like the Leopard 2SG for Singapore or the PT-91 Pendekar for Malaysia

[@jackmino729]

I mean there are 4 CVR(T)s that could be added to the British tree. Scorpion, Scimitar, Alvis Sabre, Alvis Stormer 30 (which is the only one that couldn't really be added since its not in service yet)

[@paulwilliams4371]

i feel like the game has so many places to improve that they will just be making the game better even if they're not adding new vehicles, also there's still a bunch of addible countries to consider.

[@jordansmith4040]

I think more trees would be good. There could be some warsaw pact nations split off from the Soviet/Russian tree, Canada as well. If a country fielded more than one generation of tanks, they were likely unique in some way. Maybe a North Korean tech tree where to join a battle you have to peel potatoes for 25 months straight - well maybe not that.

[@BrownFoxWarrior]

It's like the fact that the sun will eventually explode. Yeah, it will be a problem, but there are other things that take priority at the moment. How many vehicles with new gimmicks might come sooner, but there are so many obscure vehicles that it's far more likely for the game to finish dying before the vehicle list is truly exhausted.

[@Rebound_pyro]

Love your vids

[@Depressedwhale14]

There is no HMS Bismarck yet. We will not be done until it is here.

[@Karelwolfpup]

running out of vehicles is not a problem, we're still missing wheeled scout vehicles for WWII, all these years later. What's more likely is losing player base due to crap grind, poor BR balance and the utter lack of battle flow on most of their maps in ground, nevermind the lack of enduring conflict.

[@F-18Super]

Hold community events I.e “Community Map of the week votes” or just use community surveys to see where the majority of the community stands on certain issues.

[@IHaevATajpo]

i think spookston is entirely forgetting about planes, top tier jets has still barely passed the vietnam war era, there are still a lot of planes to add there

[@wintersal449]

To be fair he mainly focuses on the tanks of War Thunder

[@Phantom-bh5ru]

Smh but when are we gonna get Ford carriers and zumwalts

[@RedVRCC]

I don't want modern planes until better counters are added like AI heavy SAM sites and more powerful playable AA. The CAS would be brutal and cancerous.

[@blackcatthegreat182]

Planes, yawn, plus what VSSR said.

[@Drakey_Fenix]

He doesn't play War Thunder for planes. And I personally do not want more modern bullshit in the game. The cas is already destroying ground forces and making the game extremely unfun to play.

[@frcm]

Recently, France got a new IFV IRL It's armed with a 40mm gun and can fire ATGMs Maybe Gaijin will add it in the future

[@gryphonicbaguette]

The EBRC Jaguar would be a very nice inclusion but it may take a couple years knowing Frances current treatment

[@frcm]

@@gryphonicbaguette La France souffre But how about the Leclerc Terminator (with the 140mm) Meumeu made a video about it

[@marcusborderlands6177]

man, i think before that they can add any of the warrior variants... there are half a dozen and gaijin wont touch em

[@gryphonicbaguette]

@@frcm that’d be pretty interesting

[@bananabatsy3708]

There is actually a lot more to work on other than adding vehicles. Fix the bugs - ghost shells mainly, frequent frame drops, collision boundaries, buggy armour of some tanks, etc. etc. The list goes on.

[@smyrnamarauder1328]

Air battles are literally doing the same thing but expecting different stuff to happen right now

[@y4205]

Many people don't even have one country's tech trees fully unlocked, and besides the tech trees, there are many premium vehicles that can only be unlocked with special requirements. It is difficult to unlock all vehicles.

[@viperlabs7735]

They really aren’t. There’s so many more vehicles to add especially to minor trees

[@curtisweller7556]

Gaijin should focus on filling out the smaller tech trees. There are probably 6 or 8 vehicles that could be added to China's tree. It is kind of annoying that the American/Russian/German trees often have multiple vehicles at the same BF that really aren't that different, but China/Japan/Italy/Sweden might only have one.

[@balazsfonnyadt1903]

When they run out of everything, we might get a Bob Semple on 20.0! It's a damn shame that the best tank ever created is unavailable in the game.

[@RedVRCC]

The addition of this would reunite the salty toxic war thunder playerbase and every person in the world who knows what the mighty Bob semple is would immediately install the game and GE their way to it.

[@trossk]

Please explain how a bulldozer would be competitive in game

[@balazsfonnyadt1903]

@@trossk r/wooosh

[@antoniojmols]

So many jets to add and other nations, so no problem with going out of new units. South and North Korea, Taiwan, Spain, Balkans countries, etc..

[@grogsnogga704]

I always thought it would be cool if gaijin took their systems for having realistic-ish tank combat and making a spinoff game to WT where it's alternative history or weird ww2 and beyond vehicles. This way they wouldn't be so constricted by modern stats and the devs could get creative with balancing things.

[@Phantom-bh5ru]

Super maus

[@kiliandrilltzsch8272]

Or they finally add the möbelwagen

[@ee214verilogtutorial2]

Hear me out. Post apocalyptic game similar to mad max but with WWII tanks and Cold War era tanks but with modern upgrades. Like IL2 with guided bombs and rockets. Or T34 with ATGM launcher.

[@imnotusingmyrealname4566]

@@Phantom-bh5ru Or the Mini Maus, The Panzer II Ausf. J.

[@ugarit5]

Wot be like

[@shuhratkessikbayev8886]

If anything I think they might have to add more nations the problem with that is depending on the nation it might just be lend leased vehicles up until the point they get to domestically produced vehicles like Brazil for example. Or North Korea

[@dylankelley455]

I only have 3 of the tank tech trees unlocked and I don’t think I’m gonna finish the other ones any times soon so I’m not worried

[@NOOBSLAYER-cw3gd]

if they do run out of content, id love to see them add a special WW1 tech tree