Why Does Gaijin Hate Britain? - War Thunder

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[@Belfalas991]

"Shell shattered" nation

[@AdmariHipper]

True, I've been playing the US 8.0 br and grinding with the T54e1 and it uses apds and it rarely gets the shell shattered message 😅

[@wte2979]

Ussr apds too All t45/55 ones or stock mbt ones are super horible and shater every f time

[@hqg8484]

M41A1 either.....

[@LewisB3217]

@@AdmariHipperyeah america got hit with the nerf pretty bad at around 8.0-6.0 ish

[@IronicSM]

​@@AdmariHipper Only use HEATFS with it, APDS will make you have a mental breakdown

[@blueberrymuffenman]

People that a British mains can comfort themselves in the fact that they have actual skill

[@colejones594]

Let me introduce you to italian players XD

[@lonurad1259]

@@colejones594 yes midget wheely boys are very skilful. Lemme introduce you to japan

[@GalaxyGmWT]

Biggest proof is when the Harrier Gr.3 was proposed to go up to 10.0 but the Americans ones, that are the same, weren't. lol

[@colejones594]

@@GalaxyGmWT i mean the sraam the britans get are pretty nasty but still doesnt need to be 10.0

[@GalaxyGmWT]

@@colejones594 the Harrier GR.3 has AIM 9Gs. Only the Harrier GR.1 has SRAAMs.

[@Ballistics_Computer]

Britain and France are brothers in suffering, but recently even France has received more love than the bri'ish

[@gbreuil1]

That's because we gave a bit of weapons to Russia before they invaded Ukraine (shhh dont tell), like laser technologies, missiles etc But now they hate us too so we got no top tier tanks in the last french update 😓

[@wallachia4797]

Gaijin on their way to explain to me why they completely gutted the AMX-13 HOT after the latest update when it was already a horrible 8.0 vehicle beforehand aswell.

[@lonurad1259]

france? Suffer? They got buffs specifically for them and have a bunch of meta vehicles. Name a single meta british vehicle

[@ActuallyNotIlmatar]

Japan has it worse. A lot of missing vehicles that gaining purposefully doesn't put in and a Type 10 that couldn't be further from the real one. Absolutely gimped mobility, wrong turret armour and 1 second extra reload.

[@Ballistics_Computer]

@@ActuallyNotIlmatar at least you get APHE

[@bootlegpete7984]

Considering the power houses Britain and France actually are and the tech they have makes it even more boggling how Gaijin handles them.

[@MazaAzi]

Gaijin *Looks at a French tank so bad France literally bought them to be used as target practice* also Gaijin: "Lets make it's under-gunned prototype face Sherman and it's Finished prototype, with the same armor and engine, FIGHT BR 5'3 AS A TD, *DISPITE IT BEING TALLER THEN EVERY OTHER TD AND BEING ONE OF THE FEW TD'S THAT CAN'T PEN HEAVY TANK FROUNTAL PLATE AT THAT BR* " Yes it pisses me off that a medium tank with a BR 3'7 body and a BR 4'7 gun (considering how big of a target it is, I think that's fair) got uptiered to 5'3 and reclassified to a TD. I swear, considering how often you get spotted and sniped with this thing, by literally everything at it's current BR, you'd swear some one at Gaijin hates this tank in particular

[@no-legjohnny3691]

​@@MazaAzi yeah, it's literally just a panther but worse in every regard. Appalling damage, longer reload, worse armor, terrible ammunition placement, same abhorrent reverse speed, and so much more. If it at least had the lol-pen capabilities of the IS-2, it'd be bearable, but it's just too inconsistent.

[@ushiki2212]

Are y'all complaining about the arl 44? Can't be, that thing is good and it being a TD is a positive not a negative, since it costs SP. It's gun isn't 4.7 material, it's good for it's br and the spall is great. Only problem with the tank is it's turret, it's weak.

[@Martin-ot6kw]

@@ushiki2212 The fact they nerfed the depression because of the assisted loader, without modelling the assisted loader, is still peak Gaijin :(

[@garyslayton8340]

Irl britten and france are both super underfunded in the militery dept

[@crazyadam9281]

Here is just one of many ways to make the British tree more fun, disable the stupid shell shatter nonsense on APDS rounds.

[@rebel_4452]

Someone’s mad that more realism is being added. Go play world of tanks clown

[@1996Horst]

That shit is in the game for not even 3 months. It made it worse but only a tiny bit.

[@viperlabs7735]

@@1996Horstshell shattering is a very, very old mechanic. It’s just disabled on most gaijin has a special hate for sub 100 mm apds.

[@interpl6089]

@@1996Horst it's there for years, i recall it happening when ''hull break'' was still in ground battles...

[@1996Horst]

@@interpl6089 they literally announced it when they updated APDS three or so months ago. Back when they also put APDS on the new formula. Prior it was essentially just the engine fucking up. But now it is intentional shattering with its own animation.

[@perish5442]

As someone who has never played Britain but has played against them, I have often found myself wondering, "How the hell did I survive that??". Now that I understand, I would like to call out gaijins bulls*it.

[@samlambert4770]

It really trains you to aim for ammo and gunners. But apds is so unreliable that sometimes you just get shafted

[@choppership465]

as someone who plays britain and plays against germans, americans, and russians, i have often found myself wondering "how the fuck did i manage to survive that? im a british tank"

[@perish5442]

@choppership465 with American and Russian tanks, I sometimes find myself thinking the same thing. Against my fellow German mains, it comes down to the fact that many of the newer German mains don't understand you actually have to aim in this game XD.

[@namename3130]

From the aircraft point of view, the wellington can hardly even climb and may as well not have guns, also i find some fighters dont have the fire rate to be able to hit targets easily, you can strafe across someone and completely miss

[@choppership465]

@@perish5442 fair enough the new german players have absolute no sense of situational awareness

[@Yell0wBlackbird]

The ordinance QF 57mm 6 pounder historically had APDS ammunition available from 1944 that could pen 160+mm yet we dont have that ammo in game because the snail doesnt want British BR 3.0 onwards to be able to slap tigers and panthers also the comet is broken not being able to pen panther ufp with its crippled 77mm APDS however 57mm APDS can pen a Jagpanther IRL, so theres that.....

[@theredrisen9520]

The Cromwell V also should be able to pen the front of Tigers, considering thats what they were designed to do... but gaijin is gonna gaijin.

[@sleysy289]

The british early air to air missles (Firestreak, Red Top) are by far the most historicly inacurate missles in the game. The Red Top esspecially. It should have the range between an AIM 9G and the russian R-23T. However the Red Top doesn`t have anywhere near that range and I know why: the missle`s acceleration is far to low and short. in the game the missle reaches about Mach 1.5 which is just a joke to the mentioned Mach 3.2-3.5 in british military reports. The seaker should be able to lock afterburning aircraft in all aspects within a range of about 2-3 km. The seaker, although partialy side aspect does also not achieve this. The Firestreak is also very underpowerd. Although significantly worse than the Red Top which was even thought of being armed on the F4 Phantoms, instead of the Aim-9`s jsut shows how powerfull they where. The firestreak`s main problem is also the rocket-motors performance. It should be able to be fired at ranges suitable for the Aim-9E/K/J/P versions. The most accurate is I think the israely Shafrir-2 range and performance. By now I wasn`t able to do research on the Fireflash which is why I am not able to give any statements for this missle`s performance.

[@BigLMedia]

they messed with the comets round because it was fair against tigers and panthers lol it was 5.7 no amour no spawl and then also having no pen XDDDDDDDDDDDD

[@latch9781]

Would love a Churchill VII with a 6pdr and APDS (They got retrofitted to fight Tigers)

[@rougehunter954]

Oof

[@deltawolf1465]

I'm surprised that you didn't talk about the lack of light vehicles/IFVs in the nation

[@mlc36tva14]

The worst thing is they have so many that could be added but havent been,. Same with that south african missile aa that suddenly got forgotten by the snail when they got added in

[@Puffin_777]

@@mlc36tva14Indeed, not even prototypes either, but fully mass produced vehicles like the Scorpion, Saladin, Scimitar, Desert Warrior, etc. And the prototypes/limited production vehicles available are also nice, Verdi 2 Warrior, Scorpion Kastet (Jordanian), Vickers mk.11 long range patrol vehicle, etc. And those are just the Light tanks/IFVs…

[@kommandantkillcode]

@@mlc36tva14I think they’re still planning on adding a SA missile AA since the model for one of them is completely finished and was part of the ending segment of the teaser for the update when SA was introduced.

[@TheBuccaneerIsHot]

Yup, scorpion, Scimitar, warrior TES(H), 25mm stabilised variant warrior

[@AtlasAnthems]

Saying that we have 3 Ratel Versions, 2 ATGM Carriers, The Warrior, ADATS and some AA you can load with AP rounds and its actually decent.

[@maxliverpool]

What really tickles me is that Britian is stuck with M61 solid shot, when the entire reason the British QF 75mm gun exists was that we re-bored the 6pdr guns TO USE AMERICAN 75mm SHELLS. So the fact that Britain gets solid shot 75mm alone while America gets the same shells with HE filler is a joke.

[@LewisB3217]

Gaijin also gimps the m61 shell because there’s so many variants of it, probably just a mistake but apparently they’re using an early war version of m61

[@phunkracy]

its historicaly accurate iirc, because irl the APHE wasn't as good as pure AP. The issue is that AP/APBC/APDS is underperforming.

[@no-legjohnny3691]

Yeah, the Brits did a study and found that APHE was only slightly better than Solid Shot, creating a marginally wider cone of shrapnel, while reducing the shell's armor piercing capabilities and overall reliability. Gaijin just makes APHE RIDICULOUSLY more effective than it actually is.

[@phunkracy]

@@no-legjohnny3691 exactly. British werent stupid. There was a good reason for reliance on AP

[@Oddwest]

The reason there is no filler in the m61 round is that the early variants of the shot would break or explode on contact with German armour. So the British in a good spot of wisdom removed the fuse and powder filled the cavity as to not upset the balance and launched that till a more reliable shell came out. They also found out that the German 75mm (for the short 75) shell fit into the cartridge of the american 75mm so britsh troops would capture german ammo take the shell out stuff it in the 75mm cartridges from America and fired that. After the modified version with the German shell was sent back to America the m61 round was fixed and used by uk troops. Gajin just in stupidity ran with the hulled out filler shells despite Britain stopping that after the new rounds came in.

[@boombass4616]

Britain has so many unique and incredibly awesome vehicles that could be added, and that people have asked for for years, yet Gaijin just refuses to give Britain anything good.

[@tanknerd7193]

TOG II premium when?

[@thetreelander7378]

to be honest i don't want them to add anymore in fear it will be locked behind a pay wall.

[@tanknerd7193]

@@thetreelander7378 fair enough. Though if they add the TOG, it won't be free

[@thetreelander7378]

@@tanknerd7193 and i cry every day thinking about it.

[@silverhost9782]

Because the devs know where the money is. And it isn't the UK, France, Italy or Japan. Its Americans, Russians and wehraboos.

[@roachisthegoat]

Can't believe last update the main thing we got was a 1.3 car lmao

[@IWILLJUGGLEYOURBALLS]

It's a funny little shitmobile in custom matches.

[@GalaxyGmWT]

For me was the radar upgrade in the F.3 lol

[@roachisthegoat]

@@GalaxyGmWT USA getting cool new vehicles and we get a car and a radar

[@GalaxyGmWT]

@@roachisthegoat and I bet it was only because the Italian ADV came. Because in the first dev server the British had a better one than before but the Italian had the best possible lol

[@kaiotie1]

the PGM.2000 for the GR.1 Tornado was the thing for me. that thing slaps and its finally something useful that isnt a buggy GBU that only destroys russian ERA rather than the tanks themselves.

[@tedparkinson2033]

Ive grinded every vehicle in ground and air up to tier V for Britain and i got to admit... Its entirely out of stubborn British pride. That is why Gaijin makes us weak in game. Our pig headed resolve to fight on and never surrender to the meta! If necessary for years, if necessary alone!

[@friedyzostas9998]

🇬🇧🤝🇬🇧

[@davidmartin4812]

I've been playing for years, never paid a bloody penny and only now am I reaching past 8.0 in ground and air. Keep calm and carry on mentality

[@creature3628]

Almost have the tornado. Almost have the challenger 2. We keep on going. We suffer together. We suffer in silence

[@tedparkinson2033]

@@creature3628 if necessary for years, if necessary alone.

[@Spencerinio5]

I'm some what with you there too. I only play Britain because I'm British. Everyone says the British in WT are shit, and I just pin that to the fact that they just dislike us in the real world. Though I can say that I see the actual reasoning in air combat, constantly going up against BF109s and similar aircraft while still flying a bloody gladiator.

[@harrio7793]

My favourite Britain moment is the German hunter and the fact it gets drop tanks as well when the British ones don’t, these small things show you how much gaijin cares about britain

[@BigLMedia]

like the german hunter is a british plane with american missles its comical

[@davidmartin4812]

The Swiss hunter makes me twitch uncontrollably

[@Disfiction]

And it has countermeasures… ._.

[@theducknamednewepicla9507]

Ok

[@Coat_Hanger]

It has guided missiles as well which we need

[@GalaxyGmWT]

I have to say, I got so used to play britain, to play mediocre vehicles that when I play other nations such as USSR or even Sweden (specially 7.7) its boring, they are so good that they are boring and I always end up going back to Britain lmao

[@DumbAssPro717]

Yes you always go back to britain for the extra torture

[@mosestang9041]

Same lol

[@cjaydustie1867]

Hear you on this. Been bouncing back and forth between Britain and Germany. Just got to the 6.7 range in Britain though and it may be the final straw 😂

[@GalaxyGmWT]

@@cjaydustie1867 lmao, I have the whole tree (air/ground*/heli) and I remember spanking tigers when the cent/caernavon were 6.7... good days... Today, at least for me, the 10.3/8.3/7.7/3.7 lineups are very solid.

[@commandoepsilon4664]

You should try Japan, their low tier tanks are, special...

[@bfletcher9678]

Its the fact that they could have a whole host of extremely competitive vehicles from other commonwealth nations. leopards, cougars, and coyote lav’s from canada, Boxer IFV’s from the aussies, or something really wild like the Namica from india. But instead everyone gets new toys and Britain gets the stormer broken again.

[@thatonelocalauthority2809]

It’s depressing how gaijin treat the tech tree tbh. I posted on the forums about how Britain is SEVERELY lacking in light vehicles and IFVs and vehicles overall tbh. Absolutely nothing. Gaijin won’t do shit to the tech tree unless it gets them more money. I’m sick and tired of it.

[@henryd.4802]

This, I have been deprived of Canadian vehicles for too long :(

[@dumpsterfire0718]

@@henryd.4802 as well, why is the Ram tank in the American tree :(

[@MrEsphoenix]

They should just change it to "the Commonwealth". Britain can still form the backbone, but make it the official place for original Commonwealth vehicles

[@theducknamednewepicla9507]

😅

[@debugden9172]

Stormer HVM not working properly is what gets me, I love it but it shouldn't take 4 missiles to take out a plane. Also I miss when the AVRE was initially implemented and HESH was actual god-tier.

[@crazyadam9281]

Also the Stormer HVM should be 9.7 and not 10.3 because it's a direct hit and not fire and forget.

[@carpetkraken3418]

What I hate about the Stormer HVM is that they fix it one update, then break it in the next. It can't ever just work properly for any extended period of time.

[@yspear_]

Same with the strela, they broke everything

[@commandoepsilon4664]

I don't need HESH to be god-tier, but if a Pershing would die when a 165mm HESH round lands on it's roof, that would be nice. All I'm asking is that we get actual HE ammo instead of the plush toys we've been firing.

[@itz_chieftain976]

Stormer HVM has 18 km radar range and 4 Mach speed of missile and has a better lock

[@minidingbat265]

I remember when atgms got added to the game, Russia got the IT1 ( the mouse killer) Germany got their own version ( I can't pronounce or spell it) and Britain got a prem cent mk3 what had some atgms that where mostly useless because they fired up and then came down. then years later ( after atgms became kinda irrelevant), they got the swing fire ( and a bigger swing fire). I think that gaijin treat Britain as an afterthought. They probably make most of their money through USA, Germany, and Russia trees, with the UK in 4th so they don't focus on Britain untill their main sellers are done.

[@coreliousc8915]

US makes them money but they still abuse us. Robbing us of most of the cool tanks that could have been tech tree.

[@francescoboselli6033]

As an Italian, if Gajin treats UK like a second thought, then Italy is like the third or fourth thought... Like that homework you do in the last 10 minutes on the bus 😂😢

[@krellio9006]

@@francescoboselli6033 At least Italian vehicles are still pleasant to play I love the 6.3 lineup and the 7.7 lineup British tanks are hit or miss thanks to solid shots and APDS that does jack shit

[@tedparkinson2033]

​@@francescoboselli6033italy is deff my fave minor nation. My current addiction is the Fiat with the recoilless rifle.

[@redbaronmodeling]

@@francescoboselli6033on the bus? No it’s in the hall seconds before it’s due.

[@kyrieyaegashi3527]

I've been playing for years and have every country in ground up to 7.0 at least and I do not understand some of the BR choices for British vehicles compared to very similar vehicles of other nations. Take the Bosvark. The ZSD in China is a straight up better vehicle. Better speed, mobility, smaller size, better protection, higher caliber and better velocity on the gun. It's 4.3 compared to the bosvarks 5.0. I've used the ZSD as a tank destroyer quite well but the vark just can't do it. Then there is the comet at 5.3. It is worse than the 5.0 Italian Firefly in every way except speed. Worse APDS, turret traverse, reverse speed and flat armor. I don't believe the extra speed that compares to a 5.0 VK is worth the extra .3 BR. The FL10 is even better at 5.0. The Skink was finally a wirbel equivalent but somehow also made it to 5.0. Saying it compares in effectiveness to the Ostwind II is hilarious. Most of the Soviet and German CAS can pen through the turret and the 3.3 chassis can be killed by any tank 3.0 and above in one hit. It has worse pen and velocity than the wirbel so I'm not sure how it went up even with the armored turret. APDS on anything less than the 20pdr is a joke right now. I've hit a panther in the turret and the round somehow only gives the gunner a new haircut. Britain is fun but with the BR choices either UK mains are just that much better than everyone else or Gaijin has a bone to pick.

[@lonurad1259]

pretty much said everything right. Except the comet. I wouldn't compare the comet to the firefly. I'd compare it to an m18 (spoiler alert it often outspeeds the m18 don't ask me how). But the comparison between the panther is the big one yeah

[@kyrieyaegashi3527]

@@lonurad1259 The comet has more horsepower so that may be why. The M18 is leagues better though. I compared it to the Firefly since I don't think speed is really that so much benefit that it makes it a higher BR. You also don't have a .50 to deal with pesky light tanks and the firefly is slower but the round can do more frontally and if you angle you can get lucky bounces. Even if you out speed a M18, the comet simply can't capitalize on the position as well as the M18 can. The M18 is just better. Sure the round doesn't have as much pen but if you get side shots it doesn't matter. The APHE is far more likely to one shot or at least do considerable damage. With the reverse and turret traverse being so fast its very easy to 1v2 enemies trying to flank if you play it right. The reload on the hellcat is much faster as well. APDS is on the other hand is far less damaging, and prone to not killing anything important at random. Sure you can use the shot mk.8 but its still solid shot with only a few mm more of pen than the hellcat with none of the filler. With the reverse on the comet if you get gaijined or simply make a bad shot, there's no backing into cover. Tanks can easily flank you as well with the very poor turret traverse.

[@1996Horst]

Ok the Bosverak is stupid and it should go back to 4.7 or even 4.3. The Skink is fine, it is infact my second favourite SPAA after the Ostwind II. Planes will not pen you unless they suicide and even then they usually fail because anything below 60mm/40 at 30° pen can not pen you anywhere but on the engine. And APDS is a joke on every tank. I am up to 7.0 and even on the 20pounder its is dealing no damage. As for other BRs that mKe no sense. Churchil VII at 4.3 with a gun useless agaisnt even 4.0 mediums. And armour which can be penned by every 50mm gun in the game from any range from the front. G6. Slightly faster HE shell then other artys with a little bit more filler (which is irrelevant as there is literally no difference in damage between 1kg and 10kg of HE filler in the code). Sits at 7.0 with no reverse speed, no fully rotating turret and between 16 and 22s reload while thinks like the 2S3M sit at 6.3 with APHE,HEAT as well as the proxy and normal HE of the G6. It is faster in reverse, has a fully rotating turret and can not be 30 or 50caled. Oh and also reload is between 14 and 20s. Then there are the obvious mistakes in tank performance. Like the FV4005 being limited to its turret arc despite it being 100% the version II of the tank with a fully rotating turret because it lacks the autoloader of the version I. The FV4202 which used only parts of the Cent or of the later Chief, yet it has a random transmission and gearbox so it is stuck at 5km/h reverse instead of the 13 it should do. The Comet, Cromwell and Cent are also missing their horizontal stab which most tanks of the era actually had. The Churchil Mk IV NA75 has mkIII armour (89 instead of 102mm) and in general there is an argument that even the mkIII had 102mm of armour when it landed in NA as it was one of the upgrades made during production. Then there is the vehicle choice bullshit. Russia has right now more than 10 vehicles maybe even as many as 30 which never made it past the partial testing stage (Hull, turret, gun, but never the combination) in their tech tree but the Cent Mk II which was the second most produced variant is an event vehicle with fantasy equipment? As Gajin writes "our MK II centurion is the evolution between the MK I and Mk III" which is rubbish. The MKII started production before ethernet MKI. The MK I is simply the "what we can do reliably now until we get what we want" version. But Gajin decided to make a fake tank with a full stab instead of one of the many great prototypes of the Cent (one with 102mm of frontal armour which was supposed to be the Mk II but never came into production due to costs) So whenever gajin cries "give sources for adjustments" just tell them to give theirs for the bullshit they come up with.

[@BrezhnevStan]

bro the comet has amazing turret armor, with volumetric especially causing shells to get absorbed by optics, view ports and random crevices in the turret face. It's kinda like how the tiger and panther have magical volumetric protection on their turrets.

[@lonurad1259]

@@BrezhnevStan yeah it does. Except it has nerfed AP/APDS shells that do absolutely nothing anymore

[@29JTAC]

British top tier is severely lacking light and IFV’s, the AJAX 40mm and Boxer with 30mm availability are both confirmed to enter service. Instead we get pillows and snail decals.

[@hawkstable8889]

Britain has been top dog exactly twice in the history of the game from what I remember; when the Hunter was added and when the Chieftain was added, both were the best in class when added but now both have fallen victim of BR compression.

[@p3rran]

Hunter F1 was only the top dog for 1 patch. The following patch saw the release of the MiG17, which beat the F1 in basically ever scenario

[@cheekybear1231]

@@p3rran i think he means the f6 variant with its 20g missiles that had a range of about 800m when it was slower than every other top tier aircraft and there were no flares, but due to everyone trying to dog fight at that point it was free lunch for the f6 when if they just went in a straight line the hunter was helpless edit: (i love the f6 it currently is my most used aircraft but when bvr was added as well as more advanced jets it has fallen a lot in preformance and even its once op killed missile is easy to dodge in comparison to the russian 30g missiles at the same br)

[@BloodyCrow__]

There was a datamine 4 months ago on reddit that showed abrams and challengers having 50% chance detonation on its ammunition while everyone else was 15%.

[@viktoriyaserebryakov2755]

Did you verify it yourself?

[@dlscorp]

@@viktoriyaserebryakov2755 why bother? everyone knows the first thing you read on the internet is correct

[@petepie789]

Ever since I played Britain, its been painfull, but somehow I kept coming back to it, learning how to play they vehicles and essentially learned how to use every British vehicle to its maximum potential and since then I started finding the Big 3 boring since it was so easy to play and do good in their vehicles, I love the challenge Britain gives and when used correctly you can dominate the big 3 to the point that they start thinking you are a hacker.

[@notnurfcreanga]

the thing britain has going is its insane penetration (its peak in midgame) and stupidly low br 2 plane stabilizers, at 6.3 the charioteer mk7 has ~400mm of kinetic ammo penetration and over 1400 velocity, its a point and click, you dont got damage but you can pen everyone everywhere and just line up the internals

[@thaelindarkfyre4112]

I put a large part of this down to most people not knowing British military history (outside of the enthusiasts), So like the British fleet in the Pacific or the ground forces in Korea they are often overlooked.

[@crismaster7498]

If you look hard enough you can find us anywhere in history after the 1700s.

[@Didact357]

I recall when Gaijin moved away from "Sekrit Documents" and implemented the Demarre Formula. This pretty much universally made AP obsolete. Prior to the Formula's implementation, AP, despite having lackluster post-penetrative damage, certainly had the advantage in terms of pure penetration over shells with HE filler. Nowadays, I'm pretty sure HE filled shells have more pen! This to me was the final nail in the coffin for Britain. I'll still queue up as the Brits to take a stroll down memory lane but I'm reminded in short time why I avoid them

[@viperlabs7735]

The worst part is how badly neutered British vehicles are compared to irl

[@nate_scrub]

I played War Thunder for about four years, primarily playing Britain before expanding out to other nations like Germany and Russia. I always felt like that Britain was always the underdog especially at high BR. I continued playing Britain even though my friend who was much more experienced said that solid shot was very beginner unfriendly because I loved the Comet, Centurion, and Spitfires. It just sucks that Britain never feels up to par compared to every other nation (especially with vehicles like the Stormer). (Edit: Britain was a fun nation to play, but it was incredibly frustrating at first. I enjoyed Britain because I felt like the underdog in each encounter, but that shouldn’t be how a nation is “balanced.”)

[@viktoriyaserebryakov2755]

I don't think they're as bad as you think. I'm excluding higher tiers because I don't play it, though I can admit on paper they don't look very good. Other than that the Brits have a high skill curve and are rewarding if you're good at the game. Think that's a bit of a compounding issue because it chases away the newer players to go play Russia or Germany leaving the more experienced players to play Britain. Thus artificially reducing the statistical performance of Russian and German vehicles while increase the on paper performance of the British vehicles. It's a fault in how Gaijin balances the vehicles in a game they don't actually understand or play.

[@nate_scrub]

@@viktoriyaserebryakov2755 that’s totally fair. I was stubborn and still played Britain before realizing that there was a difference between solid shot and APHE. I spaded almost every vehicle up to the second of the Challenger 2s, and I agree that Britain can be very good at lower tiers. 6.7 used to be my favorite tier to play ground realistic because I would have my top end spitfires along with the 20 pdr guns, but they changed that lineup if I’m correct. I think my issue lies in top tier where the Challengers and Phantoms can’t keep up with their American, German, and Russian counterparts (I stopped playing before F16 came out).

[@viktoriyaserebryakov2755]

@@nate_scrub Well I'm glad you've got a head on shoulders, instead of choosing to believe that Gaijin is mad the UK sent missiles to Ukraine. As for the top tier mobility issue, I think that's a map and gameplay issue. Challenger is a good tank, and that mobility factor is not nearly as important in real life. The way War Thunder makes you play however makes that a necessity. So I really don't know how that could be balanced without essentially solving how top tier plays in general, which is another glaring issue in of itself that we know is never going to be fixed. Current meta just favours laser gun go kart gameplay and I don't think that's going to change.

[@professionalpaperweight5547]

My biggest gripe with the British tech tree is the mind blowingly high repair costs. Some of the mainline vehicles that you -cannot- avoid have upwards of 11-13k repair costs. When I didn't have premium it took me 6-7 kills to break even if I didn't win the game. TO BREAK EVEN. Because each kill was around... 1.2-1.5k SL. Before they lowered the repair costs down to 8k, it was practically impossible to make money while you were anywhere above 5.7 in that sodding tech tree. And that situation did not improve until like 10.0 at the time so you had an entire rank worth of vehicles that were matched against absurdly more capable vehicles, that cost an arm and a leg to repair and that you'd need to practically play like a God every game to make SL in. (By more capable vehicles I mean things like the T55AM or anything with more mobility and APFSDS / HEATFS vs the Conqueror for example. It just gets sniped but it has little to compensate for that bar a decently capable cannon. If it isn't shattering every shot...)

[@syarohussein8063]

I think they'd lowered the repair cost recently, I could finally play the Centurions without bankrupting myself, and they're quite good tbh.

[@dlrowolleh5855]

Welcome to the minor nations tech trees

[@NitroNuggetTV]

the other problem with Britain is that in real life, penetrating another tank is a kill, no matter the damage to the crew. in the game you're not dead until most your crew are. solid shot simply can compete with APHE. but Gajin will continue to refuse to lower Britain's BR's to compensate. Its agony playing Britain atm. The other day I got 11 assists and 1 kill, and that's a common occurrence for me.

[@notnurfcreanga]

its almost always a problem of the way war thunder works and not the vehicles being bad irl, the cas problem is the same, the game is too fast paced and built in a way aa players find it very hard to counter cas, japan/italy have no armor because their terrains are alot more rocky and they require to be agile, but in war thunder maps are standardized, russian tanks are just good at the types of maps and the gameplay itself found in war thunder

[@filmcameras4evr45]

I remember playing the Caernarvon and Centurion Mk3 when they were first added and how they changed a few patches later... Ahh, when SABOT and their armour actually worked well enough

[@pixel6964]

The thing with the UK in WT is its like the second child, you get what you get after the favourite gets it and even then its not great. The tech tree is constantly being hampered by missing features on vehicles (sometimes due to it being better than what the Big 3 would get at the time), or being placed at the completely wrong br. AP, SABOT and APFSDS all seem to be sub par on British tanks and HESH... well it was good and not it just doesnt work right at all, its like a smart person being kicked in the head by a horse. When the UK does get something good its good, for all of five minutes because everyone throws their toys out of the pram to get it changed. Harrier GR.1 is a prime example of this. Yes on launch it was very op and did warrant a change, however it was up tiered and started to struggle and is now in a good place. But the thing that really ticks me off is the missiles, all you would here is SRAAMS are op nerf, but no one batted an eye at R60M's at a lower br than the GR.1, not a single toy was thrown out of the pram. Same goes for the intro of AIM-9 L's the vehicle's carrying these would stay where they are for a long time in comparison, I would say this is a problem for secondary nations in WT over not just the UK. Anyway cant wait for the light tank line up for the UK... how long has it been now?

[@michaelbuckley497]

its been like 300 years

[@tanakritsaenverm4240]

I want them to add something fun for the British like the other warrior ifv variant

[@akihi501]

yea the brits suffering with a big lack of light vehicles in the mid and top tier (if you can even call it top tier) also there some aa's that can perfectly fill gaps and gaijin is just ignoring them...

[@tedparkinson2033]

The Desert Warrior (Warrior with a Bradley's gun) wouldn't even be that much better. But it's better than the unstablised 80 RPM we currently have, only 0.3 below the BMP-2.

[@GalaxyGmWT]

@@tedparkinson2033 I want the Warrior 2, would be like a british STRF 9040. Stormer 30 and Ajax would also be welcome.

[@tedparkinson2033]

@@GalaxyGmWT oh absolutely! The Boxer would also be awesome.

[@GalaxyGmWT]

@@tedparkinson2033 does Britain have a variant that would be useful in-game? The Australian one would be just awesome! But I can see Gaijin adding it to Germany lol

[@otatoshio4315]

Add all the lend lease vehicles the UK used and we will have the biggest tree in the game. Id love to see britain become the major it deaerves to be

[@solreaver83]

it could be twice the size if they just added more nritish content at the same rate as the top 3. thats without resorting to other nations content ( im all for commonwealth vehicles)

[@otatoshio4315]

@@solreaver83 at this point I'd bargain for anything they could add. Need Britain to become great britain

[@solreaver83]

@@otatoshio4315 Britain could have 2 entire branches added if they got the same attention as other top trees. A light tank branch and a derp gun branch of refitted tanks firing howitzers. No one seems to have noticed that somehow Britain still doesn't have a single tank in the game using the 25pdr..... lol

[@leeneon854]

It is a major nation in real life, major nation in WW1 and WW2, post war, and before WW1. Not saying UK is perfect because it's not, but contribution was massive.

[@haroldotrotter9148]

if war thunder was actually realistic there would be no big 3; only a big 5: USA, USSR, Germany, British Commonwealth ( Empire ) and France. I will die on this hill.

[@Yokemeister]

In what world is France a major nation in a game primarily about ww2

[@mathieu722]

@@Yokemeister The game is not anymore primarily about WW2, and for cold war and modern Era, France is superior to Germany.

[@haroldotrotter9148]

@@mathieu722 exactly, well mostly

[@MrGrim2u1987]

Think you missed Japan and Italy. Both had more impact than France..

[@mathieu722]

@@MrGrim2u1987 Clearly not in cold war and modern time. Also if all you know for France in WW2 is the usual propaganda "it did absolutly nothing", you should open more book and not use only hollywood movies.

[@cammarlow3951]

We are missing SO many ground vehicles that could easily be added. At least 3 separate light tanks that werent concepts and already have comparable vehicles in other tech trees (Scimitar, Fox, Scorpion) SPAA such as the Tracked Rapier or Starburst VML (both of which also werent concepts) alongside export vehicles like the Desert Warrior and concepts vehicles like the Warrior CSP, Stormer 30 and Stormer Air Defense to name but a few (all of which are just as viable for addition as concepts like the HSTV-L or 2S38).

[@TheHangarHobbit]

If you don't believe Gaijin HATES the Brits I have one word for you....Sparkspano. When I started way back in 2015 one of the first WT specific terms I learned was Sparkspano, it was true then and in 2023? Still true, especially when compared to other nations 20mm like the 151 and AN/M2.

[@solreaver83]

adjust your lead, sparks are a sign that your client is registering a hit but the server isnt. when i learnt this i adjusted my lead just a bit when i see sparks and now i never spark. Hispano ave now been my favourite most reliable air cannon in the game for 10 years or so.

[@commandoepsilon4664]

@@solreaver83 If that were the problem why would the OP have these issues with Hispanos but not the AM/M2 which are just about identical except for which ammo belts they get? I also have this happen with Hispanos, you connect get the hit message, sometimes a 'crit' but you just need to keep hitting them to down the plane, but I switch to America and THOSE cannons absolutely take planes apart.

[@Disfiction]

The swiss hunter in the german tech tree does it for me

[@CaptainKapitan]

God I remember the 6.7 lineup of having A Centurion Mk3, Caernarvon, FV4202, FV4005, Tortoise, Conway (I think it was 6.7 too.) You'll add Centurion Mk 10 and Conqueror for a 7.0 BR where you'll face Tiger IIs which was fun.

[@Moonbearonmeth]

8:26 I distinctly remember this being or at least also being what happened when Sweden was added to the game, They did some apds rework that iirc made guns over 76mm better while lowering the effectiveness of guns below that (to accommodate the shiny new Swedish reserve tanks with apds). I think that was the rework that catapulted the 6.7 holy trinity up to 7.3.

[@Couch_Gamer]

15:50 , Apex Predators came out, top tier fighter jet update right. USA got its f-16, Russia its Mig-29 and what did Britain get? A fricking super sonic bomber essentially 🤣🤣

[@TheSpiciestMan]

the thing is though that the Harrier GR 7 that was meta for like a month beforehand does a better job at being bomb CAS than the tornado which is just sad.

[@GalaxyGmWT]

Could be worse. In the supersonic update, while the US and USSR got actual supersonic jets (F-100/Mig-19), Britain got the fucking Javelin lmao

[@Anorexic_Clown]

@@GalaxyGmWT I still remember when I was facing the T-2 with lead indicator against my Javelin constantly, Gaijin's thought process is non-existent.

[@interpl6089]

@@GalaxyGmWT Javelin was hilarious meme though, good 'ol times, just the 3 (most of the time only 2) vehicles fighting eachother: MiG-19 vs F-100 and Javelin...

[@ea5port419]

the fact that the harrier gr1 doesn't have flares and the Lancaster doesn't have the grand slam bomb because it would be "unrealistic" or "unfair" but then go off and give the soviet tree prototypes like the yak 141 and portray them as if they were in service and give the pe-8 the fab 5000 when it was used "infrequently" in real life while the Lancaster used the grand slam 42 times in 2 years really pisses me off

[@patrickdonovan7843]

I think one thing that exaggerated the issues with Britain is our tendency to produce non standard pieces of military equipment. We were very early adopters of sabot ammunition which gajin model awfully at low calibers, we didn't bother with He filler because it wasn't that effective and our newest tanks weren't designed to go toe to toe with the most advanced T-90s because we knew we'd never face them but were instead designed to fight large amounts of cheaper t-55s and t-72s as well as insurgency warfare.

[@kaiotie1]

genuinely, as a British main, i hate it. i play america, russia and germany sometimes and whenever i play britain at top tier it is like playing war thunder on hard mode. the APFSDS seems to act weird compared to other nations, and doesn’t spawl much, meaning your first shot doesnt always get a kill, and your armour is wear, meaning for the most part you die if you dont get the kill on the first shot. the challenger 2’s are slower and weaker than their other nation counterparts. when you compare the challenger 2’s to any of the other nations, its the worst second only to the ariete in most stats. anything it can do, another nation does it better ie speed, hulling down, pen etc. its slow and weak with no real stand out features. on-top of this, players have been asking for a light tank tree for the longest time, with many choices of vehicles to choose from ie, the cvrt family, but gaijin decide to add a french premium puma instead, or another russian premium. its just odd. the whole ground tech tree at 10.7+ is kinda a mess. the challenger 2f and TES are the same protection, despite the side skirts on the TES being far far thicker. its been like this for almost 2 years i believe, after it got nerfed for being “too strong” at one point in the game. while the other challenger 2’s are mostly just copy and paste vehicles that feel no better or worse to play than the last one you used, with nothing different to back it up, like a high tier atgm carrier or light tank. its just sad and boring to play when you could just play any other nation at top tier and suffer less. honestly why play britain when you could have way more fun doing the same things as germany, america, or russia and survive longer doing it. heck, even france is more enjoyable.

[@jameshopkins5702]

Absolutely true it sucks because I want to play with the British vehicles but they have the worst shells in the game. It takes several shots to destroy an enemy unless you can ammo rack somebody and on top of that the armor is just not that great in the same sentence you get a British tank in a different country lineup and it’s a better tank. How does that even happen?

[@Rorywizz]

I just unlocked the Challenger 2E a few days ago and I really cannot be bothered grinding another underperforming challenger whilst facing T-80BVMs, The rest of the ground tree is decent and the air tree is great though

[@commandoepsilon4664]

I'm right there with you. I thought it would be better after I got the top APFSDS in the Challeys, but nope! Challeys still play pixel hunt the weak point while T-80s are just a point and click... Then the 2Es whole thing supposedly being its more mobile. Sure more mobile that the OTHER Challeys but its still slow AF next to all the other MBTs.

[@phantomhobo7432]

I've got 4 challey 2 tanks and they don't get any more fun. I'd rather play the one at least it somewhat competes.

[@sturmgeschutze3070]

@@commandoepsilon4664It can’t even pass the normal challenger’s top speed half the time despite having more horsepower even when stock!

[@commandoepsilon4664]

@@sturmgeschutze3070 I haven't even bought it, I don't need to pay over a million SL for another tank that is only fast enough to get steam rolled by the brick wall of enemy tanks that crushed all my one spawn and done teammates, or that is so slow it can't cap anything and almost never sees an enemy as they all left after my teammates killed them once. On top of that it's at the end of the tree so all its upgrades cost way more RP so its spading grind is even longer than the others.

[@sturmgeschutze3070]

@@commandoepsilon4664 The black night is the only competent challenger as the iron fist system can make up for the armour’s weak points when sniping…

[@cheerslove2735]

My friend started playing WT shortly after French ground was added. At this time many ppl talked about how British and French vehicles were pretty fun and he took the bait. Many years later i often make fun of him for choosing British tree as his main. Although can't deny that gems like Vickers MK.7 exists, the grind to top tier was quite for painful for him and he doesn't even want to touch Challengers 2 just because he doesn't want to fight 2A6s/2A5s, BVMs, Ka-50s/52s, MiG-27Ks and many more much more competitive vehicles

[@moogiibat5845]

I think it is just Russian thing, even their military spokesman said once in a interview "if nuclear war starts, first city get nuked is London and Washington". London came before Washington and no other cities were ever mentioned.

[@fin4204]

The good vehicles either got uptiered to irrelevance or have repair costs through the roof. The starting meteor mk3 has an absolutely insane repair cost because it’s a really good fighter and they realised they can’t uptier it any further - this basically ended up softlocking and bankrupting me because I was a newbie to jet combat, learning the ropes, and I could only learn it using this white elephant of a plane A lot of them just cannot compete at the BRs they’re stuck at like I remember also being stuck on the venom because I was fighting like mig 15s and sabres

[@eihcra_]

As a new WT player, picking Britain is bittersweet. On one hand you do not get a lot of kills, not a lot of wins, getting carried by other nations and being obliterated by meta nations like the US and Germany. On the other hand, this is good because the difficulties teach you a lot about the game at low BRs, which comes in very handy once you move to the better tech trees.

[@tattiepotato6613]

ngl the 5.3 challenger is fantastic, a fast sabot shell that does 269mm of pen is the only thing i have to be able to take on a IS or a t34

[@phantom2hell]

i think .. everything not Russian...... has a huge handicap.. or nerf..... from the start.......... lets see the latest update on the rockets...... all the nations rockets lick the ground .. even if you aim high..... bad controls..... soviet/russian rockets stay the same........ amazing work by gaijin.. one more time...

[@KingKieran04]

That’s mainly because the Tow missiles got nerfed. I can’t recall but I’m pretty sure I was experiencing nerfed missiles while using Russia.

[@jackidk1995]

That 250lb in the spitfire. Almost a direct hit but you get “hit”

[@JETBLACKCORD]

that BP centurion at 6.3 is wonderful for a 6.3 lineup since theres only idk 4 6.3 tanks

[@l3w1scal11]

Other problems are over tierd vehicles and mismodeled vehicles more refering ground. Challenger 2s side era isnt modeled correctly neither is the turret. The chieftains are still 8.3/8.7/9.0 when they really struggle there. And we never get good changed for uk. And as a brit main it really frustrates me. Ive kinda stepped back from the game due to these issues.

[@keith91z28]

The chieftains are one of my favorites and I agree, its a tough life playing them.

[@michaelbuckley497]

i wish theyd just give the chieftains the upgrade package for the mk3 and 5

[@LewisB3217]

A lot of the NATO vehicles are gimped, abrams, challengers, Merkava, etc, wether it’s an incorrect armor value or incorrect armor designs such as on the abrams turret ring or chobam that should be 50mm on later abrams

[@sturmgeschutze3070]

@@LewisB3217This is often the argument but it’s forgotten that the challenger 2 for example is: Too slow Literally 65% weakspot Has an underperforming gun Reloads FAR too slow Has around a third of the turret traverse speed that it should Literally has gaps in the armour (some points on the turret are 28mm. You can .50 cal it). All NATO tanks are gimped but Jesus fucking christ the challenger is fucked

[@LewisB3217]

@@sturmgeschutze3070 yeah that’s rough, I really hope gaijin fixes all them but I doubt it

[@colejones594]

If gajin could fix composite armors KE protection modifoer that would be great there is no way rubber stops apfsds better than ceramics and shifting plates

[@LewisB3217]

That’d buff NATO too much, not possible comrade - gaijin probably

[@felipemedina1634]

For me is some planes/tanks that were never put into the game, like the bomber version of mosquito, or some improves like the 20 mm cannom on the centurion mk1

[@Cannon2541]

The Churchill mk 7 is also no longer as effective at 4.7 as it used to be, largely due to the addition of the Dicker Max, which can fairly easily pen it from the front while being fairly common

[@notnurfcreanga]

the biggus dickus german tank destroyer does what a tank destroyer is meant to do, its one tank out of maybe 50 others

[@Grimuald]

Great video... I remember those Spitfire duels wiht Bf-109 in AB RB 13 years ago.... Still love me this faction and I main it in every game mode.

[@Andrew-qo2jg]

Swift F.7 I would probably rate in the Top 10 for Most Overpowered Planes in the British Tech Tree. The missiles it gets can not be countered by flare and can even deal with the strongest head-on jets even at top tier.

[@davidmartin4812]

Fireflash 🗣️🔥

[@eetulehtinen7304]

Honorable mention: Fv4202 +Low profile +Decent turret and hull armor +APDS has good for BR (7.0) +Two plane stabilization for such a br is very nice -Slow turret traverse -Slow reverse -Mediocre speed = Over all a good tank for 7.0

[@williamspencer1978]

One of the most painful things has been the Phantom F.2 repeatedly getting snubbed for high performing weapons. Maybe one day we will get the Aim-9L

[@filipearthur5379]

"Tempest mk5 in Hokkaido" My God those where the times! I loved that plane more than any other at the time.

[@Pestpogrom]

Because Gaijin in its core is a russian company and Britain is helping Ukraine defeat the occupants

[@Soggy-Soy-Toy]

I think you just started playing this game with that thought.

[@krustykrabkk7742]

britian was suffering long before current events

[@Pestpogrom]

@@Soggy-Soy-Toy its the reason why I stopped playing it and spending money on it

[@LewisB3217]

Probably not, but who knows, gaijin can’t portray Russia in a bad light, against the law from Putler

[@tyrannicswinen117]

alternate title: Why does Gaijin not give Italy or France new SPAA's

[@ryman8989]

I would argue giving the M16 SPAA to France. They historically had and used them. They had several hundred that remained in service long after ww2. It's copy/paste, so it shouldn't be hard to do. And while France may already have spaa at the same B.R, those 4 .50 cals are versatile enough to put in almost any lineup

[@chost-059]

France could get the FCM 12T S232, its built on a prototype amx-13 chassis and has 4x mg151's in an enclosed turret

[@doge_sevens]

Meanwhile isreal and Japan who haven't had an aa over br 9.3 added:

[@rocksteadyska6933]

Its even a bit weird in Enlisted. The british almost dont exist in the battle of normandy.

[@bleacheda6985]

Missed the fact that the Chally 2F armour package has the same protection as the Chally 2 TES

[@IWILLJUGGLEYOURBALLS]

Gaijin doesn't hate Britain They just happen to hate anything that's not US, USSR, and Germany.

[@roachisthegoat]

sweden

[@SKGunslinger]

Gaijin doesn’t hate Britain, they just hate former citizens like TEC 😂

[@AgentAlex96]

Demented.

[@notagooglesimp8722]

Good to see content from you. Love when you cover Enlisted too. That's how I found your channel.

[@ZomgRAWR93]

Talking about HESH and the FV4005 specifically, I once had a R3 T20 bounce my 183 HESH off the upper glacius, front on.

[@Kostimizasyon]

who doesnt

[@franktime123]

I love playing Britain.

[@andybraid4263]

Main issue is the snail can not model solid shot it apparently evaporates when it passes through ammo and apparently lightly wounds people when it goes through then. Also you always end up with mid war vehicles going up against post war or 1945 experimental test vehicles that never fought and have made up stats.

[@ARDEN440i]

13:40 This happens a lot, and it's why I still think the Lightning suffers

[@hadesdogs4366]

Russian bias?

[@jonathanperry660]

Honestly a lot of the issues you encounter with the british tech tree stem from (as one other commentor nentioned a little further down the) gaijins focus on the big 3 nations. As you've said they prioritise the nations and tech trees that are played the most, so great britain, along with quite a few other nations, France, Sweden, and so on, are left as an afterthought when it comes to improvments and introduing new vehichles in the game. There are a lot of british vehichles not in the game, that woud help set up a newgod roll for ground, air and sea in comination with whats already out there, a personal favourite of mine being the vulcan bomber.

[@hadesdogs4366]

Agreed I’m most situations as a challenger 2 player I somehow get one shotted even when facing my opponents head on despite having more armor and yet it takes me several rounds just to do minor damage, as for the rest I find that things like the Churchill, Matilda and Cromwell tend to do well, but apart from that most of the other tanks tend to be either meh or urg, naval wise I also agree, British warships have a decent rate of fire and speed and if dealing with any other lower BR can do reasonably well, anything higher and they just get ripped to shreds, plane wise the spitfires and hurricanes tend to be the best along with the barriers but British aircraft’s tend to have terrible Turing radius’s as well as prone to blacking out more easier that the other factions

[@somehecucunt3194]

Me when my firefly's ap bounces off the turret of a nashorn

[@Gannet-S.4]

All I want is a fun low tier derp gun for the Britain such as a Bishop or a sexton

[@MonkEsquire]

I mained britain way back when solid AP had barely no post pen damage so you had to sit there for 4 rounds sniping all the crew. I started playing them because I saw the Firefly and thought "wow apds that'll be better!" lol. lmao. Then I quit for years and came back the other year and wow their shots now do damage. So I grinded and got the AVRE and played it so much I almost have the free elite crew. Now HESH is nerfed to uselessness, APDS has shell shatter so I switched to Sweden. Why did I switch to another minor nation that gets nothing but full uptiers every game? I am an idiot.

[@lessteel9426]

I member when Spitfire wings would rip at 400kph if you adjusted pitch slightly. In level flight.

[@nitebones1]

the one major thing i hate about brit ground is the reliant on the light machine guns instead up using heavy machine guns, like yea is it accurate we only fielded those but you just cant do anything with 7.62. everyone else can just take out your tracks or take out your gun with their machine guns, yet you cant damage ever

[@Ambassador1701]

I was playing the Firefly in RB. Came around a corner and hit a closed top AA gun. Round went through the turrent ring and out the other side, doing no damage. The AA then knocked me out with a single round to my frontal armor. It was ridiculous.

[@savo1125]

this happens in every game our weapons are never show cased properly

[@bencurran3204]

i forgot early chieftains didn't get the apdsfs until I started researching, and nearly cried when i did

[@dlrowolleh5855]

The French tech trees have similar issues, with AP rounds being used a lot (too much) because Gaijin can't be arsed modelling proper shells for them

[@jackncoke8527]

Never got why Gaijin doesn’t play up the British as a “major nation” specifically for naval. I’m American and when I think about the UK’s military the first thing that comes to mind is the Royal Navy and historically they have put more money/effort into the navy (for good reason) so you would think they would be up there with the US in Naval.

[@jannezbeda8278]

I play mainly France. I like how their tanks look like (most of them), I like that they are underdogs, I LOVE magazines (7.7 french are great for AI assault game mode). BUT... the repair cost was awful, they miss stabilizers till 8.3, their shells lack explosive fillings. They are fillers like british. And they lack 10.0/10.3. premium. Thus, the grinding with french vehicles is a real struggle. Plus, I hate how many foreign vehicles french have (especially aircraft and low tier vehicles). So yeah, I get you with british and I would love to see some love from Gaijin for Britain and France.

[@majik8631]

As a Brit main about to complete my very first tech tree I’m so sad that I didn’t start with one of the big three lack of information at the time I suppose

[@maybach5787]

My gripe is that Britian since he doesn't have a lot of players they can't really hold back the wave of "Bitchy German mains" when it comes to nerfing Germans counters...aka anything UK related, as one of the largest Pros the UK got was their early access to APDS and Dual Plane stablizers, which Gaijin bumped up everything with APDS up some tiers...well what I mean by that is all of the UK went up 1-2 Braquets but everyone else stayed the same, so the FV4202/Rhino/AVRE/Ratel90/attacker Mk1/2 doesn't work as the 4202 has been bumped up to 7.3. Along with the 7.3 and 7.7 lineups going up too, not to mention their ground RB Premium lineup (Khalid and Rooikat 105) going from 8.7 to 9.0 to 9.3 in less than 6 months, so they're a lot less competitive now.... all of this because german mains (and by proxy Russian) couldn't handle a single tech tree having the ability to go through armor well, that's their Gimic, Dunking on armor... now they can't do that as well.

[@jamesshaw3500]

As an Itialian main... It is super fun to catch other player off guard who have never met someone who mains Italy and I completely dominate them. The trick is, don't be the front line... support the front lines, find a Panzer, or a Sherman to buddy with, then watch your shots carefully. I originally fell in love with italian Aviation, but then I fell in love with the tanks becuase they have quirks, quirks that catch the enemy off guard just as much as they do you. I can domnate just about anybody in a Re2000; any variant.

[@djwoody1649]

The fact a whole bunch of British leading vehicles which were ahead of their time are fighting things that were invented a fair bit, after is the main thrust of the problem.

[@julienceaser4018]

fr why am i running into f86 sabres (1949) in my meteor (1943) that would be like if i was in a spitfire 1a going against me 262s.

[@bullymaguirehimself138]

4:58 watching a perfect bomb drop on 2 potential kills only to get the "2x hit" message really hurt my soul

[@seaninflorida9741]

For me, along with the obvious problems are a lack of explosive filler in shells -- in, say the Sherman Firefly when the U.S. version -- which you mentioned -- and the lack of any real reverse gear in so many British tanks. I'd downtier the whole lot of them. They are painful to play.

[@CynicallyObnoxious]

8.3 ground right now im liking it sometimes its still frustrating but they need to add more instead of basically high tier being ALL MBT

[@hawkstable8889]

HESH was a nuke round some time back before they made the spalling direction dependent on the plate angle. You can watch old Conqueror gameplay or something to see what I mean. Hitting a T-54 in the front hull with 120mm HESH would vaporize the entire crew at once back then. Honestly I think thye should revert the spalling direction change considering that APHE explodes in a sphere in this game for some dumb reason.

[@henryd.4802]

Meanwhile in 2023, I hit an SU-85 with the largest HESH round in the game and it gets absorbed by the driver optics with no damage, only one example in a list of a dozen clips I have.

[@spittyboii]

Gaijin on Britain: somebody has to be the fodder

[@eetulehtinen7304]

Also baffling how Britain has no amphibious vehicles.

[@kalumbailey5103]

As a Brit main this is definitely right but saying not to bother with hesh is off, it's just very situational it's definitely worth taking 3-5 hesh on long range maps because when players sit just behind the crest of hills or behind low cover you can bracket and drop a hesh on the roof of at least one guy and it gets me a kill every few games + they're always my favourite kills that trigger that sweet sweet dopamine because they're usually on people playing defensively locking down a section of map + it looks really cool when you one tap someone you can't even see you just see their exhaust or antenna

[@XionXIV243]

My shell on the Cheiften 3 shell shattered on the turret of a damed Puma.... and not the IFV one

[@corsairsofnarshaddaa]

From Dec 2021 to June of 2022 I had a 7% win rate trying to grind Britain from 2.7 - 5.3 (I only play 5-10 matches a week), and I faced Soviets 92% of the time. It was absolutely brutal. The worst problem was solid shot just being inconsistent, followed by Soviet vehicles just not following game mechanics, especially T-34's and KV's.

[@o-hogameplay185]

my takes on this topic as a ground player: The british tech tree is just bad from 3.0 to 7.7. The exceptions are the Sherman 2, and the NA75, both becaue they have APHE (i mean the Sherman is good, the NA is at least usable) And then, there are the cromwells, that have no armor, afwul guns, with bad penetraion, and very bad post pen damage. The 6 pdr just lacks angle pen (and damage), and the 75mm with the M61 (of corse without HE filler) just lacks the raw pen (and the damage). The thing is, on a Sherman with th esame ammo, you can just aim for weak spots, and the HE damage does it's job, with it's solidshot version, even a dierct hit into the face of a crew memeber isn't a guarantee to knock him out. And then the reverse speed. A bloody continent moves faster than that. Not only that, but if you are on any slope, the tank just won't turn at all... Then, you get to the cromwell based 17 pdr cruisers. They are the same as the cromwell, just worse. The challenger in a down tier is managable, because it has some turret armor at longer ranges, and a fast reload, but the others... The Avenger has awful turret armor. Not only that, but it is open top, with a roof over it. That roof won't save you from CAS, but will make MG shots bounce inside the turret. As well as other shells. I was 1shotted in that tank by a Chi-Ri's 37mm APHE, and an M6's (or T1E1, i dont know) 37mm SAP... Turret traverse? At least better than the Panther's... And then, the worst of all, the Comet. Not only has the comet no armor (The turret is ~100mm, if you know where to aim, and even then, the matlet will be penned very often), bad turret traverse, a really long reload (the same as the KV-85 btw... a 85mm gun with better pen, and damage), but the penetration, and the already bad damage is even worse. Example: Tiger I unangled, frontally, ~50m distance. I shot right next to the driver's port. Result? Driver very slightly yellow, gunner slight orange, and commander knocked out.... Things like this are very common... Oh, APDS. It shatters on everything. 4mm sheet metal box on 15mm armor? Shell shattered! Addon track link? Shell shattered! Running wheel? Shell shattered! You hit the schürtzen on a german tank? Shell shattered! Proper spaced armor? Shell shattered! You hit the gun mantlet of a tank? Shell shattered! Not only that, but with the long 17 pdr, you can barely pen the Panther's upper plate. With the Comet? You can't... In fact, it has problems penning a Jagdpanzer 4.... Of, the 17 pdr APDS has the accuracy of a slingshot in a hurricane btw... After that, you got to the Cent mk1. Except, you don't have a lineup (or you can use a ratel, charioteer, and a skink.... very good, you will have awesome win rate) So, you arrive to the Cent Mk 3, Caernarvon, and FV 4202. You would think finally the suffering is over. Or not... Even, if you get fully downtiered, you will mostly face Tiger 2s. The thing is, the 83mm APDS can barely pen the unangled Tiger 2 upper plate at 3-400m maximum. So most of the time, you will have to aim for the turret. However, since that APDS (and the solidshot too) does very little damage, it is not a guarantted gunner knockout. At the same time, the Tiger 2 (and literally anything you will face) will just pen your turret, and 1shot you... While, you are painfully slow. Ready rack? 8 rounds, you maybe get 2 kills, before your reload will be even worse... The only better (i mean somewhat playable) vehicle is the FV. At least that has something resembling a turret armor (except on the enged, there a Panther will pen you from quite long distances), and a range finder. However, it still has that turret top weak spot, as the Cent Mk 3 and the Caernarvon... Now, here we get to the highlight of the tree. The cent Mk 10 and the Vickers MK 1. These tanks are finally good, and really enjoyable, and they were a very good surprize for me. My expectations were not really high for them, but they are truly very good. Accurate gun, good pen, good damage. Also the HESH is also very good, i keep 2 of them for things, like the M103, IS-3/4, and things, like them, if they are in hulldown. And then, the Conqueror. The WORST non-reserver tier, non-rocket vehicle. Now, to imagine who trash it is, just remember to all the bad things i mentioned, and multiply them by ∞^∞ (infinity on the power of infinity).... The armor is just bad, so bad in fact, that even an SPAA from long distances can destroy it, by shooting at the gunner's optic. Lower plate? Made out of molten cheese. Upper plate? You face HEAT/AP(FS)DS slingers anyway, it is just dead weight. Mobility? Slower than, an IS-4. The problem is, that the IS-4 has actual armor (even agains those shells), and much better survuvability if penetrated. Okay, but at least the gun is good, right? Right? Well, if the 17 pdr APDS was as accurate, as a slingshot in a hurricane, then this is as accurate as peeing in the Jupiter's big red storm. It literally missed a Maus's side from ~800m THREE TIMES. Mind you, this is with maxed out targeting, expert crew, and almost maxed out leadership (1 half piece missing), with all the accuracy mods installed... Penetration? On paper, it looks impressive. It just struggles against a bit angled Tiger 2 from 700m... And shatters on everything. I am surprized that it does not shatter on air itself. Damage? What damage?! The only damage it does is severe emotional damage. Not ot the enemy, but to the player who plays this garbage tank. Oh, also, the Conq's HESH is just trash. All this, with 15s aced reload. Like what the actual hell? Same reload as the T-10 (that is only .3 BR higher btw), that has 300mm pen APHE, HE, and HEAT. Like you never 1shot anything, you get constantly 1shotted by literally everything, you can barely hit and pen the enemy, and you might reach the battlefield, before the game ends.... And this is where i sit rn with this tree. My solution to these problems? Put the Challenger to 4.7 (or even 4.3), and the Comet, and Avenger to 4.0, without changing anything. And before anyone would say anything, penetration is 1 thing. If a tank has high pen it does not make it OP, realise that. Right, IKV 103, swedish reserve tier with APDS, and Sturer Emil? To their places, put at least 2 separate 76mm Shermans (the british had them), and maybe dig some other tanks that could be added around 5.3-6.3. Move the Cent Mk 3, and Caernarvon to 6.7, and leave the FV at 7.0