Is Gender a Social Construct? in 7 Minutes

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Thought Monkey

Thought Monkey

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@lightningblt7702
@lightningblt7702 7 жыл бұрын
every time I hear transgender being referred to as a 3rd gender I get a headache
@KookiesNolly
@KookiesNolly 7 жыл бұрын
me too. It's like they don't even understand what transgenderism is about even though, it absolutely doesn't negate the fact that they're 2 genders but instead reinforces that idea.
@dloverise
@dloverise 7 жыл бұрын
But it depends on how you are defining gender. Look: The state of being male or female (typically used with reference to social and cultural differences rather than biological ones). Gender: your biological sex.
@sybillapan
@sybillapan 7 жыл бұрын
There's people who believe that Transgender is an umbrella term. Aka that Transgender is basically being anything other than Cisgender. Rather than transitioning from one side of the binary to the other. I sure as fuck ain't one of those people.
@lovejunkie490
@lovejunkie490 7 жыл бұрын
I think , it will be better if nobody identify to a gender and put others in cases they don't want to belong to. I mean , seriously ? who cares if you're a man or a women , if you identify as a girl or a boy. We know what we are . Focus more on human than on gender because that's why we are so divided on this society (men vs women , colored people vs white, diseable vs valid,...) we all belong to the same spiece the human spiece
@lovejunkie490
@lovejunkie490 7 жыл бұрын
So you mean that hermaphrodite people can't be saved ? ^^ because hermaphrodia people are boys and girl at the same time . And I don't think that vital organ work differently according to if you're a boy or a girl
@AboveAgeing
@AboveAgeing 6 жыл бұрын
Great video, but there's one small inaccuracy - David Reimer wasn't named David at birth. He was originally named 'Bruce', but was re-named 'Brenda' after the accident, and when he was told he was originally male, he then chose the name 'David' for himself. It's not a significant error, but the audience should be aware, just in case they're writing essays etc. and need accurate detail :)
@arnavgupta1232
@arnavgupta1232 5 жыл бұрын
Katie Thompson yes and he shot himself in the head lol
@pablo1006pr
@pablo1006pr 5 жыл бұрын
thanks also john money was a horrible person
@shmeet
@shmeet 4 жыл бұрын
"yes and he shot himself in the head" - 24 years later. What fueled that decision was not what had happened to him as a child. It may have been a contributing factor but it wasn't the primary reason.
@ylq
@ylq 4 жыл бұрын
shmeet glad you read his mind.
@samhirst2830
@samhirst2830 4 жыл бұрын
@@ylq His depression cleared up as soon as he reverted back to being a boy. His family stated that he lost his job and his wife left him in quick succession just before his suicide not to mention he was still grieving from his Brothers death that happened 2 years prior so yeh it's safe to assume that those 3 things would drive the most happiest of people to suicide or atleast into a heavy depression.
@BarquitodeVapor
@BarquitodeVapor 6 жыл бұрын
Im chilean and i have never heard about the chaneling of gender....
@ignaciosabat8528
@ignaciosabat8528 4 жыл бұрын
yo tampoco q wea xd
@bears9055
@bears9055 4 жыл бұрын
Good I am going to live in Chile
@jaigurudeva00m
@jaigurudeva00m 3 жыл бұрын
tampoco xd
@mpytthing200
@mpytthing200 3 жыл бұрын
well, you are about 20 M people, it's probable that there are different cultures other than the ones you know
@mrzapatrapa1
@mrzapatrapa1 3 жыл бұрын
He may refer to mapuche culture, to be more accurate, machi culture, where gender is fluid, its not a common known part of our culture, but it's still part of it
@almostjay159
@almostjay159 3 жыл бұрын
the comment section is a warzone, come here if you're looking for neutral ground
@user-yc3tf4wz2x
@user-yc3tf4wz2x 3 жыл бұрын
No. I want a WARRR
@almostjay159
@almostjay159 3 жыл бұрын
lemme just shout my opinions about gender then: I believe gender is not a social construct, but gender roles are also trans people aren't always third genders and nonbinary people exist lol
@user-yc3tf4wz2x
@user-yc3tf4wz2x 3 жыл бұрын
@@almostjay159 there is no war here for both grounds are equal 😤😞
@dardick1213
@dardick1213 3 жыл бұрын
@@almostjay159 i think your confusing sex (your genitals) with gender (social roles)
@almostjay159
@almostjay159 3 жыл бұрын
@@dardick1213 maybe, but just remember gender is usually a tangible thought people have about their identity, which is how trans kids know who they are so there are three aspects: gender identity, gender expression, and sex
@DanB-sh3wt
@DanB-sh3wt 7 жыл бұрын
gender isnt, gender roles are
@celestialveins
@celestialveins 7 жыл бұрын
they're the same thing....
@DanB-sh3wt
@DanB-sh3wt 7 жыл бұрын
False. theres a difference between what you identify as and what society wants you to identify as.
@celestialveins
@celestialveins 7 жыл бұрын
Dan B 0809 society recognizes your sex and then forces gender on you which refers to the gender roles they try and make you follow.
@DanB-sh3wt
@DanB-sh3wt 7 жыл бұрын
But what gender you identify as is mainly biology, however, society says "well, you identify as this, so you have to be like this."
@celestialveins
@celestialveins 7 жыл бұрын
Dan B 0809 that's sex. Your biology is your sex.
@shaylazaidi3170
@shaylazaidi3170 6 жыл бұрын
I now identify as ale
@nickdarose1834
@nickdarose1834 6 жыл бұрын
same. cheers.
@aspibru
@aspibru 6 жыл бұрын
Can I be Alesexual? Can that include alcoholic beverages? I would like to marry a beer
@miamiwendigo
@miamiwendigo 6 жыл бұрын
@@nickdarose1834 i can hook you ip with akindalewar
@alejandranajera5556
@alejandranajera5556 6 жыл бұрын
I already identify as Ale cause it's short form of my name lol
@elliottbriggs2697
@elliottbriggs2697 5 жыл бұрын
Belgian? Hefeweizen?
@1ledluverjlp
@1ledluverjlp 6 жыл бұрын
Sometimes it seems like we're debating more over the definition of the word gender than the relationship between the human psyche and biological manifestation. It doesn't help people keep making up new definitions for the word gender because they feel like it fits it better.
@-_-353-_-
@-_-353-_- 2 жыл бұрын
Agreed, though it also is greatly influenced by traditional thinking so it’s hard to change
@DamienZshadow
@DamienZshadow Жыл бұрын
I agree but we do need to nail down the definition of this word and it doesn't help that it was associated with another word that already means the biological dimorphism human species ie sex.
@markrussell3428
@markrussell3428 Жыл бұрын
Bingo!!! How else can you confuse children at an early age and end up harvesting their body parts later in life.
@probablyasleep5026
@probablyasleep5026 Жыл бұрын
@@markrussell3428 wtf
@markrussell3428
@markrussell3428 Жыл бұрын
@@probablyasleep5026 Is that a question?
@doggomania2239
@doggomania2239 6 жыл бұрын
5:35 Wow I didnt know the final stage in our evolution was a condom.
@agenthollands4140
@agenthollands4140 5 жыл бұрын
I remember being a kid and having deep philosophical discussion on the idea of gender and biology as I ate my pb&j
@loojiejie7381
@loojiejie7381 3 жыл бұрын
Yeah, that happened to me once.
@personalprofile1939
@personalprofile1939 2 жыл бұрын
What is a gender?
@CloudESkies
@CloudESkies 11 ай бұрын
@@personalprofile1939🥪
@kaleknelson8429
@kaleknelson8429 7 жыл бұрын
I've recently seen this argument in this way. gender is a binary, gender expression is a spectrum. this way of thinking is based in the Idea that yes there are only two genders, but behaviors inherit to one gender or the other, can still vary from person to person.this can be expressed in an example used in your video. men typically have more upper body strength than women, however it doesn't mean that every man is going to be stronger than every women. conversely women tend to be more gentle and caring than men, but that won't stop a total role reversal in certain situations where a father may comfort a child after loosing a game, and the mother will tell the child, you need to step you game up. probably not the best example but you get what I mean right. Traits get named masculine or feminine based on which gender displays them more often, but you can be a masculine woman and an feminine man.
@trueblissconsciousness2821
@trueblissconsciousness2821 6 жыл бұрын
Kalek Nelson Yeah, I agree and thus society really needs to change its ideas about what men and women can or cannot do. Language like "Oh, a male nurse..." Or "Go make cookies in the kitchen with my wife" is really unhelpful.
@goingcommando5714
@goingcommando5714 6 жыл бұрын
Hell no. Male nurses are rare so it is odd to see one, in the same way that trees resembling faces are rare so its odd to see one. Trees with bark resembling faces can happen, so is it wrong to be surprised when you see one? No its not. It isn't sexist so feelings be damned. And almost nobody ever purposely says to a woman, "Go make cookies in the kitchen with my wife" unless you have pissed them off, because THAT is actual sexism.
@bornwithoutconsentobviously
@bornwithoutconsentobviously 6 жыл бұрын
TWC you are very original, aren't you?
@nobodyknowsanything3906
@nobodyknowsanything3906 6 жыл бұрын
Because reality is reality whether or not it makes someone happy. People should learn to be happy with reality. Being a realist isn't hate. Gender doesn't exist- sex does, peoples' personality and life choices are valid regardless of their sex.
@antediluvianatheist5262
@antediluvianatheist5262 6 жыл бұрын
@@nobodyknowsanything3906 Gender exists just as much as 'money' does.
@Ariel-gt4wt
@Ariel-gt4wt 7 жыл бұрын
Rate my professor is not a valid place to discredit or credit the legitimacy of any person's scholarly work.
@ThoughtMonkeyhq
@ThoughtMonkeyhq 7 жыл бұрын
Completely. It was intended as a joke...
@theraven5850
@theraven5850 7 жыл бұрын
Ariel Pffft, are you kidding? If 90% of your class gives you a 1 star because you are monotonous, boring, disorganized and fail a high percentage of your class due to your inferior methods for teaching what does that say about you? Compare that to a teacher who's voted highly for being enthusiastic, organized and communicates effectively what needs to be studied; face it, there are shitty teachers out there and they get down voted as a result of it. It might not be the most objective site but it's not completely inaccurate in terms of how it rates professors and teachers (not to mention most people don't take the time to vote on a teacher unless they are polarized in a very positive or negative way, illustrating the effectiveness of the teaching methods being utilized).
@222sundae
@222sundae 7 жыл бұрын
Ariel what is rate my processor.com never heard of it besides here
@TomHoweUK
@TomHoweUK 7 жыл бұрын
From my experiences of university, in academia there sadly isn't a huge correlation between an academic's research quality and their teaching ability.
@SocraticMayhem
@SocraticMayhem 7 жыл бұрын
dean byers It's a website where students discuss the teaching methods and other stuff about a college professor for newcomers who may want to join the class. Just search up the teachers name from any of the courses you have, and other students just like you will give their critique on the professor. Sounds helpful, but everyone has their own views and opinions. I've used it before, but I can understand what people mean by it being not very legitimate.
@777Rowen
@777Rowen 6 жыл бұрын
I think it’s both nature and nurture combined together that make a person.great video, very informative. :)
@nathandj7138
@nathandj7138 7 ай бұрын
Biology cannot change, the personality is molded by society and experiences. Personality does not change the biological factors. There can be feminine men and masculine women, but it does not change what they are.
@strongindependentblackwoma1887
@strongindependentblackwoma1887 6 жыл бұрын
"The are are some differences that are biological, and some that are socially constructed". Love and peace :D
@makedah3594
@makedah3594 4 жыл бұрын
​@ true.
@tinklewinkle8221
@tinklewinkle8221 3 жыл бұрын
@ no
@johnnysilverhand626
@johnnysilverhand626 3 жыл бұрын
A man can’t call themselves a woman and vice versa. If you don’t have the reproductive organs of that which you claim, your claim is false.
@alexisdoesstuff9091
@alexisdoesstuff9091 3 жыл бұрын
@@johnnysilverhand626 you do know the biological part of humans is our sex right?
@joaonitro5149
@joaonitro5149 3 жыл бұрын
@@alexisdoesstuff9091 So if i call man that identifies himself as a women a man, would i be incorrect?
@mr.d8032
@mr.d8032 7 жыл бұрын
A good question to ask would be "How much and in what ways does biology and physiology inform cultural constructs?"
@sandygonsalves4646
@sandygonsalves4646 3 жыл бұрын
Hard question to answer without concrete, definable measurables. Infants exposed to more testosterone in utero tend to prefer or be drawn to "boyish" toys without the influence or encouragement of parents. For estrogen it's a mixed bag if I remember correctly but they do tend to gravitate more towards the "girlish" toys then infants exposed to testosterone do.
@kimmmimemwest1895
@kimmmimemwest1895 2 жыл бұрын
Exactly
@Delzaan
@Delzaan 2 жыл бұрын
@@sandygonsalves4646 interesting note there, "with encouragement" and enforcement. If that were taken away, what would be appealing to either sex.
@SwordTune
@SwordTune 5 жыл бұрын
When you get so drunk your body just becomes ale.
@killabee4realg
@killabee4realg 7 жыл бұрын
yes gender rolls are a social construct but gender is not
@merry6671
@merry6671 7 жыл бұрын
I agree that their logic is baffling. It's like recommending; "Humans should build societies, rabbits should dig tunnels." < Not all rabbits dig tunnels, therefore: Humans and rabbits are a social construct.
@liong6374
@liong6374 6 жыл бұрын
that's like saying definitions are social constructs but words are not
@googleisgay1555
@googleisgay1555 6 жыл бұрын
I'd say gender roles are a mostly biological construct, because of the "different hormones => different thought processes => different behavior" argument (behavior=actions/roles). Why do males and females have different estrogen/testosterone levels? Because that's what was best for survival, during evolution. This is supported by the fact that other species have clearly defined gender roles (an obvious example being penguins). I'm not saying gender roles are 100% biological, just that they're more the result of biology than society.
@googleisgay1555
@googleisgay1555 6 жыл бұрын
Erik Victory Sure, but denying it invariably leads to forced gender equality (or gender communism), in which capable men are replaced with less capable women (or their salaries are reduced), simply to fit some stupid gender equality quota (just look at the law recently passed in Iceland). Women can do whatever they want, everyone's an individual. It's also noteworthy that women who developed with higher prenatal testosterone levels are more likely (statistically speaking) to be interested in things like engineering (how stuff works). Good for them, I'm not telling anyone what they should or shouldn't do. I'm just sick of situations like James Damore's, where politically incorrect facts aren't allowed. It's frustratingly stupid.
@elizabethh.415
@elizabethh.415 6 жыл бұрын
Christobanistan No, they don't. Gender dysphoria is a neurological problem. Most likely, it's got the same underlying cause as physical intersex conditions - having the wrong hormone levels present during the time your prenatal development is taking place. If you have the wrong hormones present during the first trimester (which is when genital development is taking place) you get physical abnormalities of your genitals. If it happens during the second and/or third trimester, your brain ends up intersexed instead, since that's the main thing still undergoing development by that stage of the pregnancy.
@supersaiyanbro
@supersaiyanbro 4 жыл бұрын
Does anyone else remember when a girl would act like a boy they were just called a tomboy
@horusdaog
@horusdaog 4 жыл бұрын
Yeah, when things were close to normal
@ashishstanley
@ashishstanley 4 жыл бұрын
Simpler times 😓😌
@mostazezo
@mostazezo 4 жыл бұрын
tom boy is different from ftm. ftm can be feminine too. That's why butch lesbians exist. If you want me to tell you the difference i can.
@arelr6822
@arelr6822 4 жыл бұрын
@@mostazezo they are still a woman.
@mostazezo
@mostazezo 4 жыл бұрын
@@arelr6822 no they are a man. a trans man is an always will be a man. hence the word man in trans man. You should do some research.
@ramizureikat3793
@ramizureikat3793 5 жыл бұрын
the west: is gender a social construct? the east: .....
@chrislofaro9614
@chrislofaro9614 5 жыл бұрын
Rami Zureikat let’s also not forget that the primary difference between the west and the east is that the west believes everything is real while the east believes everything is an illusion.
@pablo1006pr
@pablo1006pr 5 жыл бұрын
@@chrislofaro9614 yeah. while we argue about gender they are probably achiving enlightenment going to a superior plane o existance
@Trig_tig
@Trig_tig 4 жыл бұрын
the middle east: Sex equality? Wtf is this
@theendurance
@theendurance 4 жыл бұрын
@Sigmund Bosch 1. Japan and SK are generally regarded as western, as are New Zealand and Australia(which are one of the most easterly countries). Western and Eastern have nothing to do with geography, its to do with society and politics. 2. The west ranks least corrupt www.transparency.org/cpi2018 3. Human Rights are a universal concept that every human is born with and deserves, west or not. Sadly, majority of the Eastern countries have huge human rights abuses. www.cato.org/human-freedom-index-new
@urfavorite9336
@urfavorite9336 4 жыл бұрын
Glomo Australia and New Zealand are considered western countries, but sk and Japan are not.
@jaykeen6076
@jaykeen6076 3 жыл бұрын
While gender expression may be socially constructed, gender itself is a biological adaptation.
@emiliepond2395
@emiliepond2395 7 жыл бұрын
ugh i love this. "cant we just get on with life?" thanks for making a video that wasen't really offensive (like some of the other videos about gender on yt) and also for making a video that had logic behind it. 👍🏻
@ThoughtMonkeyhq
@ThoughtMonkeyhq 7 жыл бұрын
Totally appreciate this comment.
@AndresRuiz007
@AndresRuiz007 6 жыл бұрын
You get offended by those?? Oh goddd
@alanbareiro6806
@alanbareiro6806 6 жыл бұрын
+Kim Jong Un Well, some of them can be very rude and don't even try to adress the issue. This video at least shows some respect and rationality behind it.
@miamiwendigo
@miamiwendigo 6 жыл бұрын
I'm not going to castersize you for using the term offended but mate it doesn't have any meaing in more just like racist sexist and homophobic its been used so much it has now impact
@-_-353-_-
@-_-353-_- 2 жыл бұрын
yes
@brandonthomas9609
@brandonthomas9609 6 жыл бұрын
"Language has historically simplified itself" its a pretty wild claim. Language as a human phenomenon doesn't really have many universal terms that I would call "simplifying". Language is always evolving, and as society calls upon it to describe our more complex understandings and social notions, language will probably become more complex, if I were to guess.
@jhjjjjjn
@jhjjjjjn 7 жыл бұрын
Gender roles and ideas of being feminine and masculine are a social concept, not gender itself. One example is long hair is considered feminine but this is more of a social concept than natural. Also yes, men physically are stronger than women BUT society does push women to be more fragile and soft while it does the opposite for men therefore making the difference much more noticeable and women seem to forget they they can go to the gym and actually put effort into being stronger and they can have the same strength as men. People also say that women are supposed to be the caregivers and the men be the bread winners but if you really think about it, that is also a social concept. People argue this by saying that in the stone age women protected the children and the men killed animals to provide food for their families but if you had a woman and a man isolated from all other humans including each other they would be very similar in the ways they survive. Since they would not have encountered other humans they would not have children or a family therefore the woman would go out and kill animals and get food for herself same as the man would do. Also fashion being masculine or feminine is also a social concept. Way back in history blue was considered the color for women and pink the color for men, the reason it is the opposite today is because society has changed. There are natural differences between men and women yes but there are many more differences created by society and wait for another 40 years or so and it will change again! Women will be encouraged to be whatever they want and men will be encouraged to suppress their feelings. The power stance in society, at least in Ameria, will be flipped. Minorities and women will be the most influential groups and white cis males will be at the bottom. I do wish for true equality myself but I am a realist and will admit that it's pretty much impossible. It's human nature to have a leader or leaders and to have inferior people. Humans love to dominate by nature, sexism and racism and inequality will never truly stop existing unless we want to make the whole world a communistic where if you speak ill about anyone that is not of the same race, gender, and sexuality as you, you will be killed. People need to grow the fuck up and look at the facts and the trends of society and stop complaining over petty issues. Sorry about my ranting and if you read till here you deserve a cookie. 🍪
@overdose5786
@overdose5786 5 жыл бұрын
While I agree with most of your ranting - I rant on a similar party line as well - one thing that struck me as odd is that when you wrote "Since they would not have encountered other humans they would not have children or a family therefore the woman would go out and kill animals and get food for herself same as the man would do", while that is hypothetically correct based on the capacity of an individual, but I would also like to put forward the argument of a sexual selection mechanism that is at work on a collective and macroscopic level, that perhaps there are seemingly environmentally constructed and arbitrary gender traits become innate to human nature (both psychologically and psychologically) through sexual selection for between 2 to 6 million years, further reinforcing gender reality as well as stereotypes. For me, a utopia would be an existentialistic Marxist society, that everyone is responsible for themselves while having the empathy to understand each other's plight, that life on Earth is nothing more than rolling that damn boulder up that damn hill every damn day, the thought of it is already very euphoric. #feelsgoodbro
@uniikkiz
@uniikkiz 7 жыл бұрын
Gender is not purely social nor biological.
@AL-lh2ht
@AL-lh2ht 7 жыл бұрын
uniikkiz good job
@gabychuels2955
@gabychuels2955 7 жыл бұрын
uniikkiz yeah theyres a mix
@sydneylaroche8276
@sydneylaroche8276 7 жыл бұрын
no that's sex. Sex and gender are defined differently in pretty much every field of science.
@backhandedhandies
@backhandedhandies 7 жыл бұрын
shhh this kid thinks he knows more because he's watched 129362782 "tHerES ONLY 2 gENDers femiNAZIS!!" videos
@drg8687
@drg8687 7 жыл бұрын
Not in terms of importance. Sure, blue being a boys colour and pink being a girls colour is social but a man's need to fuck, spread his seed, assert dominance and be competitive with other men is biological.
@RobinHautbois
@RobinHautbois 6 жыл бұрын
No one has EVER been able to explain to me what it means "to feel like a (wo)man" ..... if you don't live through menstruations and the fear of getting pregnant, you don"t know what it means to "feel like" a woman ... anything else is stereotype and we've just been through generations battling against stereotypes and expectations!!!
@dgvanz1155
@dgvanz1155 2 жыл бұрын
What about women who for some reason don't have menstruation or/and can't get pregnant?
@PeakTrans
@PeakTrans 2 жыл бұрын
@@dgvanz1155 The point is surely that menstruation and pregnancy only happen to women even if they don't happen to every woman. They don't happen to any men. Beyond those differences related to our reproductive function, how does anyone know what it feels like to something other than what they are?
@firstnamelastname-gl6pl
@firstnamelastname-gl6pl 2 жыл бұрын
@@PeakTrans so trans women that obtain bottom surgery and are able to have women are women too👍thanks for boosting our arguments
@PeakTrans
@PeakTrans 2 жыл бұрын
@@firstnamelastname-gl6pl What did you mean to say in your gibberish comment? Because I'm pretty sure it wasn't what you did say.
@firstnamelastname-gl6pl
@firstnamelastname-gl6pl 2 жыл бұрын
@@PeakTrans * able to have babies. I’ll concede that
@kq3165
@kq3165 6 жыл бұрын
i was originally fearful about where you were going to go with this topic but you remained relatively unbaised and presented facts from both sides, good job
@Charistoph
@Charistoph 6 жыл бұрын
There are several things that need to be addressed in the discussion on gender, that many people do not seem to want to address. The social construct argument fails when someone seeks to make biological changes. The individual is seeking to alter something not connected to the situation they believe. If you want to wear a dress and makeup to feel girly, that is a social construct. Altering your genitals is not altering your social interactions, it is altering a biological build to suit your social preference. From this perspective, how is someone going through surgery for gender reassignment surgery any different then someone having a healthy leg chopped off so they can be comfortable with their legs? While you have a right to believe about yourself what you chose, that does not mean that you have a right to force anyone else to address you as such. As soon as you do so, you are no longer advocating rights but advocating the loss of rights for another. It would be no different then forcing a religion on people or forbidding religion. This is the biggest problem with the discussion on "transgender rights". In most countries that this will reach, they already have the right to describe themselves how they chose, but they are trying to force others to adhere to their beliefs. When it involves government enforcement, it becomes a fascistic regression to days of old. If people have a problem adjusting to society, there are people who can help with that, and not all of them are sociologists or psychologists, they are just good people who can be a good listening friend. There are numerous people who have trouble adjusting to society that have nothing to do with gender. Growing up as a nerd in the household of a jock is not easy, after at all. Self-mutilation or denial are not good coping methods. Acceptance of yourself as who you are is one of the first steps, no matter what hole society thinks you should be in. It is often this conflict between personal perception and societal groupings which can lead to the most damage to adjustment. While I disagree with some of the steps many are demanding we take to help them, I can sympathize with their lack of social adjustment and hope they can find acceptance of themselves with alacrity. Disagreement over a solution is not a hatred or bigotry, just a difference of perspective to work with.
@maryph4255
@maryph4255 3 жыл бұрын
Oh my god. I love this comment. Im struggling with the opposition of the ideas Im asked to talk on at work and the my own principles. Your words are very comforting. Thanks
@jaylet8208
@jaylet8208 2 жыл бұрын
this comment is such an excellent deduction. I've thought for a while now that this ideology is very similar to a religion in the way that their beliefs are based on feelings as opposed to factual evidence. Also the part about gender benders trying to force participation in their ideology onto society was spot on👌.
@c0dingwithchris
@c0dingwithchris 2 жыл бұрын
I think this is really well said and this line of deduction is something I often think about. It's comforting to hear others also have the same ideas :)
@dylanthesea2976
@dylanthesea2976 2 жыл бұрын
I very much dislike this comment. You confuse what Trans people do to what they believe. As stated in this video some Trans people do believe gender is biological. Them believing it or not will not affect whether they do surgery or not, because I argue they are doing surgery to fit into society better. People will call them their preferred gender depending on how they look. Your comment is riddled with issues like the one above, but I've had this conversation to many times to go over it with a fine brush.
@Charistoph
@Charistoph 2 жыл бұрын
@@dylanthesea2976 I've taken what I've been told they believe and compare it with what they do. If you don't understand that beliefs guide one's actions, then, you've been lied to all your life. Having surgery to "fit in", IS a problem. How is that any different than anorexia or someone chopping off a limb, especially when such actions have permanent ramifications?
@shadowsinvortex7990
@shadowsinvortex7990 3 жыл бұрын
Jeez… Gender is a fact. End of. I won’t argue it. Nor will I be bullied for my freedom of thought, freedom of speech
@Xtrelaman
@Xtrelaman 3 жыл бұрын
Would you say that "people" who have different ideas on this, (Argument?), you included and people above, which in my point of view makes it debatable of sorts? And thereby cant be a fact? Just a thought. But at the same time there are people who think the world is flat. Geez hehe... I mean gender exists but what its means other than defining it to the sex you are born in, which then makes the word useless? If it does not have another meaning. And point to define people for who they then identifying as?
@lemon_boii1074
@lemon_boii1074 2 жыл бұрын
...what does that mean. What is the fact that gender is. I'm feeling stupid as bricks cause for the life of me i cannot understand what you're trying to say.
@Xtrelaman
@Xtrelaman 2 жыл бұрын
@@lemon_boii1074 In simple terms If 100% of humans cant agree on what gender is. How can it be a fact?
@lemon_boii1074
@lemon_boii1074 2 жыл бұрын
@@Xtrelaman no i meant op. They can't just say "gender is a fact" Cause that makes no sense
@Xtrelaman
@Xtrelaman 2 жыл бұрын
@@lemon_boii1074 oh ok sorry :)
@tearsofjoyforallthispain
@tearsofjoyforallthispain 6 жыл бұрын
It is highly amusing that everyone is arguing about this. When everything is a made up, subjective, human construct. (And I do mean everything).
@jellyacc
@jellyacc 4 жыл бұрын
everything except for sex, which is what you literally have between your legs.
@spinmaster6995
@spinmaster6995 4 жыл бұрын
tears of joy for all this pain of everything g is subjective that includes your argument, meaning it doesn’t hold up.
@Jajalaatmaar
@Jajalaatmaar 4 жыл бұрын
2+2=5 REEEEEEEEEEEAAAHA POSTMODERNIST NIGHTMARE
@theblandcharlie822
@theblandcharlie822 4 жыл бұрын
@@jellyacc what about feminine penises and masculine vaginas? How about intersex people?
@stevenkenney6216
@stevenkenney6216 4 жыл бұрын
@@theblandcharlie822 can an intersex person give birth and also impregnate? no, therefore one or the other
@emeraldeyedstruggler3362
@emeraldeyedstruggler3362 3 жыл бұрын
Pov: u re watching ppl from 1st world countries being bored and creating problems outta nowhere to feel oppressed
@BaSingh2006
@BaSingh2006 3 жыл бұрын
Ma lord you're so spot on
@andrew2477
@andrew2477 3 жыл бұрын
I know right?! 1st world countries have it so good that people have to fabricate struggles and oppression because they are bored and have nothing better to do.
@clickpause8732
@clickpause8732 3 жыл бұрын
So, uh, fun fact that I feel is relevant: left-handedness used to be considered evil (due to some stupid church stuff) and was heavily demonised, but that cultural stigma disappeared over the last couple centuries. Incidentally, as the stigma disappeared, there seemed to be higher percentages of left handed people. I don’t think it’s fair to say that transgenderism is a new phenomena (en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transgender_history) when it’s been culturally oppressed for so long. People were saying that same thing about gay people back when that wasn’t socially acceptable. Edit: my dumb ass posted the wrong link
@TheGreenThunder1607
@TheGreenThunder1607 3 жыл бұрын
@Luke Belanger how is it Trendy? People who feel that way are just more likely to show it, because its more accepted
@frankzappa9148
@frankzappa9148 3 жыл бұрын
Yep. Yep yep yep
@lemon_boii1074
@lemon_boii1074 2 жыл бұрын
If gender is a social construct and just how society views a certain sex should be/behave, shouldn't we just...get rid of it? Sex is the thing that mostly matters, after all. If gender is just forcing tradicional gender roles...shouldn't we just abolish them, instead of making it like you have to change your whole gender just cause you adhere to what is typically masculine/feminine? I'm on Tumblr and i could NEVER express these thoughts there- and i genuinely want to be an understanding and supportive person. And i wish I could blindly follow what is morally deemed correct but sadly i don't function that way and i can never fully support something i don't comprehend to at least some level.
@ayouxy
@ayouxy 2 жыл бұрын
You're on Tumbler, enough said
@Lord_Sesshomaru
@Lord_Sesshomaru 2 жыл бұрын
Gender isn't a social construct it's what might be called a super role. kzbin.info/www/bejne/fpTZg4BqpNZ2d7s&ab_channel=NatureonPBS Animals may not have gender identity however In nature some animals that live together in a group in a shared territory tend to fulfill *Roles* . These roles are caused by *necessity* and serve a purpose. These roles are the primitive origin point of super/advanced roles that can be observed whithin Human societys one type of such a role is Gender. Gender is like it's primitive point of origin isn't and outcome of social expectations. Rather a group's behavioral adaptation for the diverse development process between the sexes due to Sexual dimorphism (effected by other more Human factors like culture, tradition or religion). For the record english isn't my native language sorry if something isn't clear.
@ianmartin2924
@ianmartin2924 5 жыл бұрын
I followed you up until your conclusion. The consequences that would result from "agreeing to disagree" or just trying to get along would be significant. Especially the precedent set by standing aside and letting people legislate things based on no more than feelings. If people disagree on something, you've identified a point of contention that needs attention. Now don't stop until it's right!
@justinthebaby7156
@justinthebaby7156 3 жыл бұрын
Pretty late, it's been 2 years lol. What's you stance in all this?
@ianmartin2924
@ianmartin2924 3 жыл бұрын
@@justinthebaby7156 What does the timeframe have to do with the discussion? And what bearing does my position on the gender debate have on my point? You seem to be dropping a non-sequitor, but I'm not even sure what you're asking.
@justinthebaby7156
@justinthebaby7156 3 жыл бұрын
@@ianmartin2924 Lots of things can happen in 2 years, and I'm simply late to the conversation in this corner of the internet. I'm asking whether you see gender as a social construct or not. As for your bearing on the matter, I was simply curious.
@ianmartin2924
@ianmartin2924 3 жыл бұрын
@@justinthebaby7156 Oh, I see. I'm unconvinced by the arguments that have been presented to me thus far. Yet, I'm completely open to being convinced through something compelling and reasonable. I can't currently see how gender is separate from biological sex - some people argue they're both social constructs - and I think the traditional usage of gender is helpful as a categorization. I can't distinguish the additional genders I've heard of from a description of personality. I'm very confused about the arguments I've heard and I can't tell if they're incoherent or if I'm lacking information. I'm also frustrated that the topic is always shouted down through authoritarian means when people like me just want to know what the hell others are talking about. As I said originally, this is a contentious point that gets people fired up. That means we need to talk about it much, much more, not less. Contentious points are where growth happens. Ignorance and blind acceptance is where we regress. If a group/groups are attempting to change the scientific landscape of information, that information must withstand the scrutiny from all sides. That's simply how scientific findings manifest into Theory.
@sunlocked5838
@sunlocked5838 6 жыл бұрын
How I've always thought about it is that sex and gender arent the same thing. Sex is the biological aspects and is generally binary, though some abnormalities do exist. Gender is a more sociological and cultural thing, namely in gender roles and social norms. While most people are cisgendered, or have the same gender and birth sex, not everyone does. With the complexity of the human mind and brain, it gets a bit strange. However, with Tumblr and what not, modern societies more open views have led to some people claiming different genders to try to be unique and express their individuality, and this generates a back lash with some more conservative people. I am not really sure how genuine most of this is, but I'll let them do whatever makes them happy so long as they aren't a jerk. And another interesting thing about the David Reimar story is a later study done in Spain where some transgender people had their brain scans compared to cisgender people. The researchers found that the transgender people's brain structure was closer to their chosen gender than to the average cisgender person with the same biological sex, even before any hormonal treatments. Of course, brain structure changes based on experience which means this may not have been from birth. Either way, it is quite interesting. www.scientificamerican.com/article/is-there-something-unique-about-the-transgender-brain/ Here is an article about the study for anyone too lazy to google it.
@maddie2876
@maddie2876 5 жыл бұрын
Mitchell Lutey I completely agree with you!!! This was well stated!
@Jaydavid25.
@Jaydavid25. 4 жыл бұрын
Except tryin not to correlate sex and gender in of itself is a contradiction.. Gender cannot be both independent of sex and defined with reference to sex. What society created gender roles? Where and when did it start?... These questions can't be answered.
@shmeet
@shmeet 4 жыл бұрын
"And another interesting thing about the David Reimar story is a later study done in Spain..." - That has nothing to do with the Reimer case. And as interesting as it might be, it's really not relevant because we don't use brains to determine male and female. We use the body. Biological sex. It has nothing to do with the brain.
@shmeet
@shmeet 4 жыл бұрын
@Leo Xx _______________Yes, and the danger in that, if it's allowed to become normalized in any sense of the word, is that a precedent will have been set that erases the line separating "subjective" from "objective." It won't be immediately apparent, i'm guessing several decades at least, if not longer, it will be a slow degeneration of sanity and mental health. I can't think of another instance in history where such a precedent, however minor it may have seemed at the time, was put into place intentionally. Maybe someone reading this can think of one? Subjective and objective must remain separate. Don't take my word for it, everyone, all the proof you need is right between your ears. Spend some time dedicated to thinking about this and only this even if it's just an hour a day for a month or so. The more time you spend on it the clearer it will become in your mind. You'll see it eventually. Don't try to steer it, just let it come. No expectations, only truth. Use your brain, that's what it's for. Don't let anyone tell you what to think or say or do. And always, ALWAYS question authority!
@deithlan
@deithlan 4 жыл бұрын
@Leo Xx the article was not saying that gender was in the brain. It was saying that your brain has expectations on what your sex is, and when it doesn’t match (this can be due to a genetical error, which DOES NOT mean it is bad, it’s like having myopy, some people have it, most don’t) then something called “gender dysphoria” happens, and that’s what most transgender people go through. On a side note, I personnally believe that genders should be abolished once in for all, and that we should change language along with it. So that we don’t have problems such as wrong pronouns or wrong categorization.
@negativepositiveprimitive5562
@negativepositiveprimitive5562 7 жыл бұрын
You had a good presentation but your conclusion lacks any purpose. It's irresponsible to say "can't we just get along" because that ignores that people disagree. Genders are separated because it matters. Whether gender is based on biology or social aspects isn't as important as WHY genders are separated in many organizations, such as prisons or sports teams. In these cases, genders are separate because of biological differences. For example, if women and men completed in pro sports in the same league, there is a very likely chance that bio males would dominate every record and award and playing time. Look at worlds record set in sports. Which gender comes out on top? If you put a trans man into a men's prison, the consequences would far outweigh any social liberty that "we have finally accepted trans people". Gender was always based on sex. A boy was an immature male human. A woman was an adult human female. I have an 80s dictionary that proves this well before the Internet altered words. Social aspects of gender were results of being a certain sex, not causes.
@ThoughtMonkeyhq
@ThoughtMonkeyhq 7 жыл бұрын
My conclusion was more or less a joke. I agree with most of what you've said.
@Djoodibooti
@Djoodibooti 7 жыл бұрын
NegativePositivePrimitive is it also scientifically/dictionarily correct to call homosexuals homophiles, just because outdated academia classifies them as such? Or do you just pick and choose what is correct based on your own confirmation bias? Asking for a friend.
@negativepositiveprimitive5562
@negativepositiveprimitive5562 7 жыл бұрын
Victoria Pichon if you have to ask me that, then you have missed the point entirely. If genders are fluid or are based on social stigma, why have separate bathrooms at all? Why have separate sports leagues or prisons? Why not group everyone together?
@zaviaaaaa
@zaviaaaaa 7 жыл бұрын
Saying that because we have division of gender so it must be biological ignores the arguments around social causes for binary gender performance. Split bathrooms exist because people think it's "wrong" or "morally reprehensible." I may have misrepresented what you are trying to say and if so I apologize, please explain your point further
@sneakylemon8513
@sneakylemon8513 7 жыл бұрын
NegativePositivePrimitive honestly I really don't get why we have separate bathrooms. If they just put the urinals in a stall then what difference would it make. I've had to use the men's bathroom on occasion because the "ladies" was out of order and the nearest other bathroom was miles away. I don't see the issue with this. I wouldn't really care if I saw a man in the woman's bathroom either. Like why is it such a big deal? Everything private is done in a stall anyway.
@N3st4ics
@N3st4ics 4 жыл бұрын
Just stop saying "feminists" as if most of us think we are as equally strong as men, our goal is to have equal rights not equal biologies (and before someone tells me we have equal right, I'm not from the west.)
@lelelambert4023
@lelelambert4023 Жыл бұрын
Gender is not a social construct. Gender and sex are the same thing.
@pathowogenempire9968
@pathowogenempire9968 Жыл бұрын
Explain?
@Jarrodmontelius
@Jarrodmontelius 2 жыл бұрын
I'm just sad this has become a question.... Western Culture is officially insane
@efendim1648
@efendim1648 2 жыл бұрын
We have to protect our cultures. I hope Russia nukes California.
@cedartheyeah.justyeah.3967
@cedartheyeah.justyeah.3967 2 жыл бұрын
I couldn't agree more...
@imjustsuperiorrr
@imjustsuperiorrr 2 жыл бұрын
yall are overdramatic over smth so remotely harmless to you
@Elisboytoy
@Elisboytoy 2 жыл бұрын
@@cedartheyeah.justyeah.3967 I hope you realize these same ppl are present all over the world and existed even before western influence
@cedartheyeah.justyeah.3967
@cedartheyeah.justyeah.3967 2 жыл бұрын
@@Elisboytoy Of course I do. Native Americans have "two-spirited people" who they believe aren't men or women. And in medieval east Asia (might've just been Japan and might've not even been the middle ages) there was a thing where Buddhists believed women were "impure" but could become men if they had traits they (the crazy sexist Buddhists) associated only with men, such as being studious and intelligent. Both examples have to do with religion, strangely enough.
@ultravioletgal8273
@ultravioletgal8273 7 жыл бұрын
Did you get sponsored by Chili's 😏? And awesome video by the way! I really enjoy them, very logical and fun to keep up with:) Thanks
@anaism.5821
@anaism.5821 6 жыл бұрын
Holy shit I'm surprised at how well this was presented without any obvious biases one way or another, kudos to you my dude
@bleedingbellybutton9403
@bleedingbellybutton9403 4 жыл бұрын
Uh no? OP is clearly against the social construct theory they even pettily pointed out that the professors got low ratings on an arbitrary website based on your personal experience lol like that mattered to the argument
@ArgonmentYT
@ArgonmentYT Жыл бұрын
@@bleedingbellybutton9403it was a valid point someone might bring up.
@jacisoza4281
@jacisoza4281 7 жыл бұрын
I'm Chilean... what?
@natsbones
@natsbones 7 жыл бұрын
Jacinta Soza from Chile too....what does he mean?!
@ernisato
@ernisato 7 жыл бұрын
He's probably talking about ancient indigenous population. Same with India and the hydras of precolonial times.
@Artechiza
@Artechiza 7 жыл бұрын
Same... what does channel another gender mean?
@SpewPuke
@SpewPuke 7 жыл бұрын
Algo asi como "canalizar otro genero". Quizás se refiere a alguna expresión que se utiliza para hacer otras tareas "propias" de otro genero o simplemente se lo ha inventado o ha leído algo por ahí y lo ha interpretado un poco como las mierdas.
6 жыл бұрын
Una pequeña muestra de la ignorancia de este tipo xD NO es un equipo apropiadamente dedicado a clarificar, examinar el contexto y comprobar los hechos de lo que dicen.
@sakshikale5610
@sakshikale5610 5 жыл бұрын
i love how he didn't try to drill his opinion into us... loved the video
@DeepRedBlue
@DeepRedBlue 2 жыл бұрын
What makes you a man or woman is sex. This is not a social construct, cannot be changed, and accounts for many differences between men and women as we receive different levels of hormones that both effect bodily development and our brains. “Gender identity” is a relatively new concept to explain trans people, but the problem is, a lot of “cis” people do not feel a gender identity, but merely identify as a man or woman based on their biological sex. If trans people argue we must respect their identification, they need to also be able to respect the fact that not everyone feels a “gender identity”. I don’t mind treating trans people as honorary men/women, but ultimately I don’t think anyone can make the claim they “feel like a man/woman” unless they are actually male or female, any more than you can claim, as one individual, to feel the same way another individual feels. We are not inside each other’s brains. Claiming to have a woman’s or man’s brain when you are the opposite sex is insulting. Would you claim to have a black persons brain if you aren’t black? What would that mean in terms of how you feel about black people? You would have to be assuming various stereotypes about the way black people think. I don’t see how it’s any different with gender.
@somebody8872
@somebody8872 4 жыл бұрын
Gentlemen and Ladies, give this person an award. This video gave a lot of good biological and cultural information in a fun, interesting, way.
@airiquelmeleroy
@airiquelmeleroy 5 жыл бұрын
I'm from chile and this is the first time I've heard about "channeling a gender for some tasks", but despite that, I heard it and it made a lot of sense, It does happen regularly, but no one really pays attention to it I do have to say that from what I know, Chile is pretty sexist because some adult women constantly push young women into family instead of a career, and are generally the empowered ones of their families. While men in general focus on their jobs. At least from my inmediate envioronment, it's hard not treating women differently from men since women are so empowered while men are so easygoing. (I'm a man) Women tend to be very sensible and (even between them) they generate a lot of conflict and drama staright out of thin air. That's all folks! Good video
@lemmh2
@lemmh2 4 жыл бұрын
In actual science, real science, biological science, gender is the same definition of sex as it's an expression of sex. And while social science, like sociology and gender studies, might like to claim they have an argument against that; they don't. They just don't like the truth so have created an alternative take. Does it deserve equal weight? Well, I guess that part's subjective and up to the individual. But that's literally the only part about the "debate" that is subjective.
@totalwater3053
@totalwater3053 4 жыл бұрын
that does seem to be the case, the hard-science fields do not give a crap about made-up ideologically motivated distinctions between sex and gender.
@Kio_Kurashi
@Kio_Kurashi 6 жыл бұрын
What I don't understand is why people seem to assume that their PERSONALITY is soley dependant on their GENDER. I know that in some cultures, and even the past life styles, they were funneled into certain archtypes, but even then we historically have people who didn't follow those 'norms.' I'd need to actually look into history again, but I'm quite certain we've had effiminate men who weren't called women or anything like that so it's not as if it's some foriegn concept. There are only 3 things I think: Male and Female for how your reproductive organs work, and those suuuper rare people who actually have both. I'd probably classify those who've had surgury to switch with that latter category, but if they haven't had still got their original parts then they are the male/female equivalent that they are. It's the whole point of genders anyway; who you can mate with. I also don't care that this a year+ video.
@deithlan
@deithlan 4 жыл бұрын
And that’s precisely why genders are just a burden to today’s society and we should just get rid of it. Also I don’t care that this is a year + comment, lmao.
@justinthebaby7156
@justinthebaby7156 3 жыл бұрын
Pretty late, but what's your stance on all this?
@ssssaop
@ssssaop 3 жыл бұрын
@@deithlan BASED GENDER AND SEX ABOLITIONIST
@Delta-es1lg
@Delta-es1lg 6 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the well written and thoughtful video. There are both biological and social differences between men and women. Let’s just agree on that and move along, yeah?
@klevelty611
@klevelty611 3 жыл бұрын
This video argues for whether gender *roles* are socially constructed are not. But we know that gender is something we identify with, not our characteristics and how we act...so people that say gender is not a social construct are simply saying gender depends on what is between your legs (not how you feel).
@bearseatbeets9657
@bearseatbeets9657 6 жыл бұрын
That ale joke at the end was hilarious
@markgreen6229
@markgreen6229 5 жыл бұрын
I'm discrediting the information in this video on the grounds that I give it a 2 out if 5.
@ChRoPi21
@ChRoPi21 6 жыл бұрын
A refreshing video that displays both sides of the argument. We need to have discussions like this.
@ThoughtMonkeyhq
@ThoughtMonkeyhq 6 жыл бұрын
Thank you.
@anamarta3914
@anamarta3914 7 жыл бұрын
I really liked this video, it presents both sides of the conversation in a very rational and balanced way. Although I personally agree more with one of the view points, I feel that this explanation approaches the topic from an understanding perspective and even one of mutualism. Many times, when discussing this topic, people tend to resort to hate and "absolute" truths, which usually get in the way of development and improvement of their perspectives and arguments.
@ThoughtMonkeyhq
@ThoughtMonkeyhq 7 жыл бұрын
This is exactly what I try my best to do. Thank you for your comment :).
@zfloyd1627
@zfloyd1627 3 жыл бұрын
"Men are socially conditioned to be stronger than women" WHAT!?!? that doesn't even make any sense. How the frick do you socially condition someone to be physically stronger?
@juicebox268
@juicebox268 3 жыл бұрын
You give a boy more access to exercise or encourage it more, as a parent you play sports or physical activities with them
@OmarOsman98
@OmarOsman98 3 жыл бұрын
@@juicebox268 That's assuming that these actions don't occur with females.
@timetravlin4450
@timetravlin4450 2 жыл бұрын
@@juicebox268 do you think the top MMA women would be able to take on the top MMA man? They were both conditioned the same way. OR what about the trans female swimmer who beat every women against her by a whole 40 seconds because of biology. The transgender who won lost terribly to men before he transitioned. Women and men are different because of biology not because they were conditioned.
@Escalusfr
@Escalusfr 6 жыл бұрын
This video is very well made and presents arguments from both sides, but there is one thing I can't agree with: the origin of the word gender. Gender was created and used to avoid the use of the word "sex" in a much pruder time.
@gaartes
@gaartes 5 жыл бұрын
I'm SO glad how he ended the video: "can we all just get along" YES!!! we should all respect eachother and move on with our own lives, and let being identify themselves the way it makes them happier.
@dubizingler1548
@dubizingler1548 4 жыл бұрын
yeah but it makes them more dumb.
@katieanderson7083
@katieanderson7083 4 жыл бұрын
Dubi Kebede girl what..
@electricityisgreat2767
@electricityisgreat2767 2 жыл бұрын
no we cannot cause their forcing us to respect and believe shit
@Albert-x8g
@Albert-x8g 11 ай бұрын
"Can we just get along?" is a haphazard statement. It sounds well and good, but it completely ignores all factors and interactions that occur between people in daily life. Life is unpredictable and so do events that happen in the place and society we live in. Sure, we all can get along, but that doesn't automatically mean that social, cultural, religious, and political leanings don't divide us and it certainly doesn't mean a person respects the worldview of others. Now add in people in a position of power who enforce their own ideology and values. Would people get along then? No. It's easy to get along with people who agree with you, it's dificult to get along with people who don't.
@firstnamelastname3089
@firstnamelastname3089 6 жыл бұрын
People now care more about "feelings" than scientific facts.
@Sidecutt3
@Sidecutt3 5 жыл бұрын
People have always been like that.
@Laimikko
@Laimikko 5 жыл бұрын
@linus eisele Men have XY chromosones and women have XX.
@MrDhruv1111
@MrDhruv1111 5 жыл бұрын
@@Laimikko This video wasn't about sex anyways, gender doesn't have X and Y chromosome, sex has.
@Laimikko
@Laimikko 5 жыл бұрын
@@MrDhruv1111 Sex and gender are the same.
@yiumyoumsan6997
@yiumyoumsan6997 5 жыл бұрын
@@Laimikko Nope it's not.
@matteo-ciaramitaro
@matteo-ciaramitaro 6 жыл бұрын
I've always seen physicial attributes as pertaining to sex, and behavioral attributes related to testosterone and estrogen as secondary sex characteristics. The part that is a social construct is the definition of the male gender and female genders. We associate specific personality traits to each gender, and most of these traits cannot be explained by hormonal balance, and most of the ones that can are not mutually exclusive to people with either biology. This means, that of the few traits that are explained, there is a large minority of people for which there is dysphoria. So for all intents and purposes, these ideas about masculinity and femininity are a social construct, seperate from a trans persons understanding of their own gender. The body one feels they belong in and their idea of their place relative to the gender stereotypes are not the same thing. People will use the word gender to describe both of these ideas which often seems to cause this argument in the first place. Feel free to debate, I'm open to new ideas.
@namepolanco5057
@namepolanco5057 3 жыл бұрын
Short version, Male: Still Male. Female: Still Female. I can live with that.
@dean1111
@dean1111 3 жыл бұрын
Bruh no-
@namepolanco5057
@namepolanco5057 3 жыл бұрын
@@dean1111 uhhh ...bruh yeah. And before you flag this as hate speech, just know I don't give a rats ass who anyone decides to bump uglies with, shit if it makes you happy then live your life and enjoy. But don't expect me to change my language by demanding I refer to a person as ''they'' ''them'' or whatever they feel like being called that day based on their particular mood, that is both absurd and selfish not to mention confusing as hell. Look if a human is born a Male and at some point decides they want to transition to living life as a Female that's cool but rest assured upon this persons death, if they were to be exhumed 200 years later, no one, and I mean no one, will say, this looks like the remains of a (Insert what ever non sense gender you feel like making up here) They will say here are the remains of a human Male. Period Bruh
@LavaCreeperPeople
@LavaCreeperPeople 3 жыл бұрын
@@namepolanco5057 you don't need to worry
@ivymora2370
@ivymora2370 3 жыл бұрын
actually the short version is agree to disagree
@dean1111
@dean1111 3 жыл бұрын
@@namepolanco5057 bruh once again, your brain isn’t capable of knowing the difference between gender and sex and how to be a respectful human. It’s not hard to call someone they, we’re all doing that to feel more comfortable in ourselves. It’s just a question of respect
@markrobbin
@markrobbin 2 жыл бұрын
I was actually born black, but society socially conditioned me to become white .
@pipperoni3636
@pipperoni3636 2 жыл бұрын
Gender comes from old French Gendre which in turn came from Latin Genus and both mean birth type, category or kind. Gender has always denoted the biological characteristics of species. The idea that gender is a "social construct" isn't one bit scientific.
@michaeldavis9190
@michaeldavis9190 7 жыл бұрын
3:07 This explains why I would look at ceiling fans for hours. The ceiling fan was my god, and my eyes could not be drawn from it.
@shysmy19
@shysmy19 3 жыл бұрын
Lmao ifkr
@shysmy19
@shysmy19 3 жыл бұрын
I would just focus on one wing
@user-ev5gj8xe2b
@user-ev5gj8xe2b 6 жыл бұрын
luvyuu thanks "why can't we all just be ale" made me so happy. i was invalidated a lot in middleschool for being agender you make me really happy
@stephanreiken9912
@stephanreiken9912 2 жыл бұрын
The answer is one sentence. Gender is not a social construct, but there are many social constructs based around gender that don't change the underlying physical reality.
@_Rosa7524
@_Rosa7524 2 жыл бұрын
the physical reality would be sex which is different from gender, gender is how one feels and expresses themselves and sex is XY or XX chromosomes or what genitals they have
@stephanreiken9912
@stephanreiken9912 2 жыл бұрын
@@_Rosa7524 That's just redefining words for the sake of redefining words. Gender is a synonym of sex, not a different meaning. 'Gender Identity' is what you refer to.
@_Rosa7524
@_Rosa7524 2 жыл бұрын
@@stephanreiken9912 the idea that sex and gender are the same thing is not supported by science, I don't think youtube allows links any more (tried to send a link to a website but reply was instantly deleted) but if you look for yourself on pretty much any medical website you'll see they will either only mention sex or clearly define the difference
@stephanreiken9912
@stephanreiken9912 2 жыл бұрын
@@_Rosa7524 Science? This is English class right now. We aren't talking about defined and tested parameters. This is about the meaning of words and definitions, and the insistence of one political ideology to use any excuse to create division. Gender and Sex are synonyms. It's not hard, you can't just redefine what the word gender means by force. It meant the same thing 5, 10, and 20 years ago. If we speak of Gender Identity, then by all means, I basically agree with most points you have to make about it, as it supports my basic philosophy for life. Live and let live, I don't care what you call yourself and respect your wishes as long as you give me the same courtesy. But you can't change the word Gender to mean Gender Identity because you say so and accuse anyone who doesn't use the word the way you mean it. That's not how language works and it's bad faith. Instead you could talk about actual issues. Like the problems of sexist teachers trying to force children to be trans because they don't conform to the stereotypes of their gender. It's wrong to even suggest that, and just furthers sexism in the guise of helping. How this makes the issue of trans children very difficult to approach, because you do want to help those that are, but labeling girls that like boy things and boys that like girl things as trans, on that evidence alone, hurts everyone. Or the suppression of such stories by the trans community. It happens, real life is complicated. And you can't be taken seriously by being blind to the facts you feel hurt your cause. This is a major hurdle that has to be resolved so that trans rights can be respected as early in life as possible.
@stephanreiken9912
@stephanreiken9912 2 жыл бұрын
@@_Rosa7524 You get where I'm going? The biggest insult is to suggest that a male isn't a male because they like traditionally female things. It's the height of sexism that I thought we made progress on the early 2000s, but we've gone back to worse than the 1960s instead. If a male wants to be called a boy or a girl, who cares. You can identify however you want, you can dismiss the social construct of gendered language and choose what to be called. But male and female are genders. They have a basic meaning. You don't have to conform to the stereotypes given to your gender, but you cannot change it. Yet. Medical technology may resolve that eventually.
@Waterwave37
@Waterwave37 6 жыл бұрын
i think theres also an aspect that to some extent "biology" can be affected by social pressure. For instance there are studies that conclude that men do better on spacial reasoning tests. BUT counter studies have gone on to have woman "imagine they were men" and take the same spacial reasoning tests. the results concluded that woman who thought of themselves as men were able to score about the same as men. Just like outside stress can change the way your body digests food for instance, so to can society's expectations form neurological pathways that people would interpret as biology. Im not saying there are no biological differences between men and woman, but I'm pretty sure its a lot less than people think, and most of the rest of the actual biological differences can so easily be changed by hormones
@aliciahernandez2864
@aliciahernandez2864 4 жыл бұрын
May you link down?
@ArgonmentYT
@ArgonmentYT Жыл бұрын
Yeah I agree.
@endigosun
@endigosun Жыл бұрын
“Less is more” or “keep it simple” are the best mantras to follow in this situation. We need a set of principles that MOST can agree upon in order to get back to our “not so normal” state of being… that was so much better than what we have now.
@MrDj232
@MrDj232 6 жыл бұрын
Gender is a linguistic tool that encompasses male and female archetypes to describe people through pronouns and objects through personification. This works well for the human brain, which utilizes associations for rapid recall. Some aspects of those archetypes may stem from social constructs (eg color preference) while others are a direct result of biological tendencies. No one person is expected to fit all aspects of the archetype, nor does fitting aspects of the other archetype diminish their masculinity/femininity. But most of the time people will fit primarily into one, and that one will most commonly be the same as their biological sex. Only about 0.1% of the population tends to diverge from these tendencies.
@slimer6023
@slimer6023 4 жыл бұрын
Short Answer: No Long Answer: No
@astockphotoofspaghetti9433
@astockphotoofspaghetti9433 7 жыл бұрын
My brain hurt... big words....
@NPC-rl8iw
@NPC-rl8iw 6 жыл бұрын
While some elements of gender and ideas and the roles associated with it are socially constructed, that doesn't mean that gender, as a whole, is simply a social construct which can be determined by how one feels. Many elements of gender are tied to biology. Gender and sex are inextricably intertwined. One's sex defines their gender, and that gender is reinforced socially and partially dictated by society's expectations of that gender. The notion that gender is exclusively a social construct is simply a fabricated necessary premise upon which to build the idea that gender and sex are distinct and that one can choose their own gender. There are people who believe they are snakes, and have tattooed scales all over themselves, wear snake eye contact lenses, and have had surgery to create a forked tongue. We all agree they are not actually snakes, even though they have altered their appearance and demonstrate behaviors society attributes to snakes. At some point, we must acknowledge that Gender Dysphoria is a mental health issue, not a biological issue, and treat it as such. Trying to force society into going against science, reason, and logic in order to validate delusions or not hurt someone's feelings delegitimizes and devalues science, reason, and logic, and thus delegitimizes and devalues our society as a whole.
@shmeet
@shmeet 6 жыл бұрын
...and paves the way for 'identity politics' to take hold.
@TheRealUncensoredTravelGuide
@TheRealUncensoredTravelGuide 3 жыл бұрын
When will it stop. It’s becoming a religion and no longer a movement.
@ultradevon04
@ultradevon04 Жыл бұрын
We live in a free society and you can choose to deviate from social norms. Doesn’t change your gender/sex. Just live your life the way you want and stop over complicating things.
@Scottthespy
@Scottthespy 6 жыл бұрын
This is awesome, its got information from both sides of the argument and acknowledges both the failings and the points that both sides have. And I agree with the idea that more labels leads to more diversion. I agree with that SO much. Instead of coming up with label for every possible configuration of human expression, why not go by biological sex and stop enforcing trends? Just because 'most' men aren't into care giving, why hassle the ones that are? Just because 'most' girls are more people oriented, why look down on the ones that are more into machines? Would transgender people still feel the social anxieties if there was no set way to be 'a man' or 'a woman'? There would still be body dysphoria for some, yes, but if there was no 'boys wear this' and 'girls act like that', they'd be able to dress and act and be however they wanted from the start, which I think would remove a lot of the stress and unhappiness that comes along with being born in the wrong body.
@JohnWick-ob2cp
@JohnWick-ob2cp 2 жыл бұрын
Well there are more gender neutral accessories and clothing nowdays so I'm sure that will help. But men and women's clothing existed in the first place to accentuate and better define male and female bodily characteristics and protect the privates areas better
@akazienoel2009
@akazienoel2009 2 жыл бұрын
Can I ask you mean mean why not go by biological sex and stop enforce trends?
@mayesjoyessha527
@mayesjoyessha527 Жыл бұрын
I know right. But I would still refer to transgender people as the sex they are presenting as even though that wouldn't be their biological sex.
@chandlerwitt2410
@chandlerwitt2410 Жыл бұрын
Social scientists argue this, scientists do not
@pathowogenempire9968
@pathowogenempire9968 Жыл бұрын
Biologists make this arugment??? Lol
@armadilloalien854
@armadilloalien854 7 жыл бұрын
Both nature and nurture
@jaojao1768
@jaojao1768 7 жыл бұрын
Korra Light true
@SnubMonk
@SnubMonk 3 жыл бұрын
If gender is a social construct, and you can change genders, then age is just a number and you can change your age
@SnubMonk
@SnubMonk 3 жыл бұрын
@@rodentdetergent look at you go not understanding a simple joke. And this year’s biggest idot award goes to you! Congratulations!
@SnubMonk
@SnubMonk 3 жыл бұрын
@@rodentdetergent and we didn’t create gender either lol
@zumbbfied
@zumbbfied 3 жыл бұрын
ah yes, humor
@SnubMonk
@SnubMonk 3 жыл бұрын
@@zumbbfied indeed
@yteuropehdgaming9633
@yteuropehdgaming9633 3 жыл бұрын
This was an enjoyable, informative and relaxing video. Possibly one of best videos I've seen in a while. Good job👍.
@joaquin67
@joaquin67 Жыл бұрын
Adding more pronouns just creates even more chaos and stress in an already chaotic and stressful world.
@aosadoifbaiosdfna
@aosadoifbaiosdfna Жыл бұрын
Why not just have 1 type of pronoun for everyone regardless of their gender?
@joaquin67
@joaquin67 Жыл бұрын
@@aosadoifbaiosdfna I mean that sounds like it’s make life easier, but the change will be difficult
@turbotrup96
@turbotrup96 Жыл бұрын
​@@aosadoifbaiosdfna you think people shouldn't be able to differentiate men from women? If so, seeing your profile pic, do you support drafting women to wars?
@aosadoifbaiosdfna
@aosadoifbaiosdfna Жыл бұрын
​@@turbotrup96 First of all, I meant that we could either have several pronouns that people could identify their gender or we could just have 1 pronoun for all genders. Second, I just hope there will be peace in Ukraine and the character in my profile picture is myself in animé style. I am not even a woman.
@meatrubber2
@meatrubber2 Жыл бұрын
I miss the simple times when everyone just went by “he” and “her”
@mixumillianmass6986
@mixumillianmass6986 7 жыл бұрын
Don't say him, he, his, her, she, or hers when referring to me. Just say Surf & Turf. That's my pronoun. Respect it.
@jellythelioness9955
@jellythelioness9955 3 жыл бұрын
How are ya doing on this fine night, young Surf and Turf?
@Vic2point0
@Vic2point0 9 ай бұрын
Modern gender theory (e.g., transgenderism) remains incoherent. And trying to categorize gender as a social construct is really just confusing gender itself with gender roles and norms.
@JD-jl4yy
@JD-jl4yy 3 жыл бұрын
No one argues men aren't physically stronger than women lmao
@ImSoCool2403
@ImSoCool2403 7 жыл бұрын
What an interesting and informative channel, very refreshing
@stevepest4143
@stevepest4143 10 ай бұрын
No. The whole concept of gender as a construct was a construction by a professor who actually said so later
@bellomy7478
@bellomy7478 6 жыл бұрын
Solution: everyone leave each other alone and just respect what they think is true without forcing your ideas and opinions on other people.
@woof7538
@woof7538 6 жыл бұрын
2 genders.
@Davudhudson
@Davudhudson 5 жыл бұрын
I oppose the idea of gender neutrality and it doesn't mean im forcing my opinion. I worry about this lost world in a hot maze, and feel responsible. You can't just get away with things saying "oh you are trying to force your opinion".
@joeschmoe2843
@joeschmoe2843 3 жыл бұрын
Answer: No
@montanabaker1713
@montanabaker1713 6 жыл бұрын
I like 'let people play their own game, as long as they don't force others to play their game.' Works just fine for me in this, or religion, or just about anything.
@alexisdoesstuff9091
@alexisdoesstuff9091 3 жыл бұрын
Agreed
@thewhalebear7073
@thewhalebear7073 7 жыл бұрын
To be honest, people can make up how many genders they want, but they always revert back to male or female, for example, hear a load of this bull. There is believed to be a gender which is called "agender" but means that you don't have a gender, but then, there is "agender masculine" and "agender feminine", which is self-explanatory. So what's the difference between male and agender masculine? Only the words you are referred by.... I see that as a sign for attention....
@IvanSanchez-ht8jz
@IvanSanchez-ht8jz 7 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the the video, well-made and glad to see a deeper discussion/debate than most offer. I would like to mention that while biological differences exist I wouldn't call them "major". There is a lot of overlap on many of psychological tests that boys and girls take (including the face vs mobile test you mentioned). Although the averages of boys and girls differ their distributions overlap quite a bit when you lay the two distributions over one another. So most girls' scores overlap boys' scores but a few extreme scores on both ends don't and this is what is typically amplified in society as "major gender differences." Also, are we using rate my professor now to assess the validity of a scholar's arguments? I'm sure it was a joke but still, what a low blow. Thanks again.
@ThoughtMonkeyhq
@ThoughtMonkeyhq 7 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the detailed comment. I agree that there is a lot of overlap between the genders . My opinion is simply that it is not as simple as nature vs. nurture. There are a lot of factors that determine how we feel, behave, etc. And yes the ratemyprofessor thing was a bit of a joke :).
@WeAreShowboat
@WeAreShowboat 3 жыл бұрын
The confusing part is that both ideas are promoted by the academic left. "Gender is just a social construct, AND gender is an immutable characteristic" even though these seem mutually exclusive.
@christianaddington8971
@christianaddington8971 7 жыл бұрын
Being a good teacher and a good scientist are two different things. Rate my professor rates their ability to teach. Number of citations in google scholar (sorta) rates their academic quality
@BillErak
@BillErak 5 жыл бұрын
This video represents exactly my ideologies. I feel like it was made exclusively for me.
@deniskoreyba188
@deniskoreyba188 2 жыл бұрын
Amazing video! So advanced point of view. Constriction of gender can be explained even better using AQAL model. Basically it divides human nature to 4 categories: psyche, body, culture, social. So speaking of gender being social construct. According to AQAL gender will refer to cultural part. So it is constructed in society. Yet it doesn't mean that 3 other parts have no influence to that. For example having boy's body it's easier to construct male gender socially Having girl's body it's easier to socially construct female gender. 2 other parts of being (psyche and social) also influence that construction.
@kenl5608
@kenl5608 6 жыл бұрын
as a trans person: NO.
@FireKnight.
@FireKnight. 5 жыл бұрын
ken l thank you for this comment
@hubertine4676
@hubertine4676 7 жыл бұрын
Some observations: 1. When people talk about a spectrum, they tend to establish male and female at opposite poles, and range the various "gender identities" between these poles. 2. Even people who identify as "gender fluid" or "non binary" recognize that there are two genders. They claim to vacillate between performing these two genders. "Performing" these genders involves adopting apparently feminine or masculine characteristics. 3. There are certain activities that are necessarily related to biological sex - I.E. we need women to bear children in their wombs. We need men to fertilize eggs. These are most basic functions of the two biological sexes. The "roles" of mother and father (there are two, and they are tied to biological sex) are complementary. "Intersex" conditions are usually the result of either a genetic mutation or abnormal embryo development. They are natural results of human development in certain conditions. However, they are not normative, and certainly don't represent healthy human development in normal conditions. 4. I would argue that feminine and masculine characteristics are essentially linked to the roles of mother and father, which are tied to biological sex. 5. We recognize that conditions of high maternal stress (therefore abnormal hormone secretion) can influence male babies' eventual sexual orientation. Transgenders claim to be born with the wrong body, or they develop an awareness of inhabiting the "wrong body" at some time during their lives. Why is there a stigma against recognizing transgender urges as possibly pathological? Why is there not more discussion about the potential causes of this mental (or if it is the wrong body, physical) state/condition? If there is an abnormal prenatal condition that causes transgenderism, what would the next steps be? What if there were an environmental condition that causes transgenderism? What would the next steps be? Should there be some kind of intervention to prevent the eventual condition? Investigating the biological causes of transgenderism seems to be deeply unpopular. I imagine that any interventions would be as well.
@amarocabello8568
@amarocabello8568 6 жыл бұрын
Hey, Chilean here, we do not belive we have to channel certain genders for certain tasks, I litteraly don't know where you got that from.
@C00T47
@C00T47 6 жыл бұрын
O N L Y T W O
@asaltyone3015
@asaltyone3015 7 жыл бұрын
No, I think it's time that people listen to science.
@dloverise
@dloverise 7 жыл бұрын
And what does science say?
@asaltyone3015
@asaltyone3015 7 жыл бұрын
dloverise I mean Biology, I believe in equality. I think the two genders are different in some ways, but both can accomplish the same.
@v4mpir1sm
@v4mpir1sm 3 жыл бұрын
Phycology is a form of science.
@ximipa3mahezthasulthansyadi
@ximipa3mahezthasulthansyadi 2 жыл бұрын
I am biologically male but I identify as myself, I don't care about social norms, labels/identity and conformity
@mr.trollsaur9996
@mr.trollsaur9996 4 жыл бұрын
I had to watch this in my e-learning class. The ending of “can’t we just get along” was amazing! I also love the non bias towards either side of the argument!
@catastrophic_biz3608
@catastrophic_biz3608 5 жыл бұрын
Transtrending SJW: we want to stop being labeled! Also transtrending SJW: Creating more labels.
@-_-353-_-
@-_-353-_- 2 жыл бұрын
For all those people that say gender is real because our minds make us believe it, it depends on the environment that we grow up in or around. For example. Religious people also genuinely believe in a religion but does everyone agree with the religion, no. It is also a set mindset and fact to them. Or another example I had a female classmate back in grade school named Jack. And for the longest time, because I was so young and grew up effected by it. I thought that jack was a girls name (somehow we didn’t have another jack in my class). Then I got older and found out it was associated with males. If you wanted another thing to relate gender-mindset to, it’s morals. Technically justice is uncertain.
@captain_torket3254
@captain_torket3254 3 жыл бұрын
Actually, that would be a neat pun for a beer label: The mALE and the femAle !
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