Joe Rogan and Thaddeus Russell Debate Gender Being a Social Construct

Joe Rogan and Thaddeus Russell discuss whether or not gender is a social construct.
Taken from Joe Rogan Experience #950.

[@chrisbutlerart]

This guy is the perfect example of how it’s possible to intellectualize oneself into a position of utter stupidity and call it enlightenment.

[@Lukas-ew8ei]

underarted comment bro!

[@jackdowdell6684]

Well said

[@mrparmesan3640]

exactly this guy don't know shit

[@tito9694]

Perfect way of looking at it

[@mctooch]

absolutely

[@leftcentrerightg8523]

This is what happens when a society has had it too good for too long

[@betacuck3145]

Hard times create Rightists Rightists create good times Good times create Leftists Leftists create hard times

[@slaktaren4849]

@@betacuck3145 Amazing!

[@GaijinTV]

Bingo! Good handle btw...

[@Haromicprocesser]

@@betacuck3145 yeah I remember the terrible working conditions that people faced in the industrial revolutions... those were hard times created by leftists then the workers formed trade unions for an 8 hr day classic right wing movement y know.

[@thedude1982]

Bingo!!!

[@empirekruse9574]

This is a classic example of being so open minded that your brain falls out. This guy is so far gone!

[@georgejung5429]

Correct 👍🏻

[@Forester-]

Another perfect example is the man he cites, Michel Foucault, who rationalized himself into thinking children can consent.

[@angelaprosser9896]

😂 love it

[@chasman9662]

He, most definitely, would argue that age is not a sicial construct, if ALL Americans instantly started drawing Social Security because they feel like they are 67 years old.

[@nickcancellieri435]

How dare you call him a guy! 😆

[@RafferJacks]

I’m coming back 6 years later to rewatch this. It’s crazy how strong his ideology has taken a hold of our culture in such a short amount of time.

[@nellanellaperched6767]

Scary honestly

[@benoitbrouillette6481]

It doesn’t have an effect on society but only on medias. Close deleted your social medias and get rid of your TV and everything is still very fine. People that are worth your time do not buy into division. If they do, you should surround yourself with people that aren’t as easy to manipulate

[@nellanellaperched6767]

@benoitbrouillette6481 buddy denying the cultural change weve seen the last few years is about as tone deaf as it gets. It's everywhere but to you it isn't, so long as you surround yourself with other people who also feel the same dillusion? Weird, distopian, and pretty cowardly. "Lalalalalalala I can't hear you 🙉 lalala" is essentially your answer.

[@benoitbrouillette6481]

@@nellanellaperched6767so you must be American to be so in depth for that kind of thing. We won’t be able to agree

[@dwells3536]

⁠@@benoitbrouillette6481they’re teaching this shit to children though. So yes, it does effect our society. Children are the future. You can’t just turn a blind eye to these whack jobs

[@Liljoeyboi]

Anatomy: humans have 5 fingers Thaddeus: some humans are born with 6 fingers therefore there is no such thing as a human

[@tommyduquette265]

😂

[@ericbonham7054]

He basically has an issue with category systems all together. You can name 100 things that can be categorized as "a sitting place". Now because they don't share any other characteristics he wants to eliminate categories and call everything a construct. I could sit on a table, stairs, stump/log or a bean bag. I wouldn't sit in a rose bush.

[@PierreElRey]

I have 10.

[@butragenjo007]

30% of those shoved their 6th finger in another mans ass

[@markmosure7582]

@@tommyduquette265 pp9l

[@mlittlitt]

“You are losing me in a huge way” my thought exactly. This guy is ridiculous

[@ejmccabe4]

I was thinking the same thing at the exact same point. 😂

[@kevincosgrove948]

The problem with him is he doesn’t think “he’s a guy”.... so he wouldn’t be bothered by logic because he threw that away

[@treyjetson5320]

I guess he thought if he just says something it makes it true, without having to explain anything.

[@agricolaregs]

Laughable

[@ChrisTopher-vh8tu]

I honestly thought I was understanding him at first... that’s the exact moment where I went... awww hail naw 😂

[@sid.8801]

I like when JRE has comedians on the show.

[@marcosnomar]

This guy is an example of why we are doomed 😢

[@Pusfilth]

Not we, he.

[@sandoncrowder7839]

“There are some ideas so wrong, only an intellectual could believe them.” George Orwell

[@jhinthevirtuoso4886]

Academics do not equate to intellectual they wish they were.

[@shredhed572]

Lol, As I read I thought it was going to say -George Carlin. Lol

[@karun0109]

Perfect.

[@Fr33manTV]

Perfect quote for this video.

[@chonconnor6144]

@brad chadley the simplest way to become an intellectual is to lock yourself in a room, preferably full of books and/curios and then release a massive bean induced gasser and inhale deeply while being totally satisfied with yourself.

[@SpindicateAudio]

No sooner did he claim that JP doesn't know anything about post-modernisn than he perfectly demonstrated JP's critique.

[@someperson9999]

Right

[@Andy_Capp39]

he cant square anything he say to truth. nonsense, toxic, threatening.

[@chro1843]

I find that when people question JP, they're confused about JPs arguments, misrepresent him or they're wrong 🤣

[@mdmh9999]

when he said I wanted to get up and throw a chair when I heard Jordan say "x". SJW tantrum at its finest

[@Andy_Capp39]

@@mdmh9999 exactly. how can someone with a subjective mind get angry? he cant be sure of anything.

[@LB-io4tn]

*walks into a hospital and tries to perform open heart surgery on someone* “Yo you can’t do that! You’re not a doctor!” “Doctors are just a social construct. I can be who ever I want to be!” *patient gets attacked by crazy person*

[@psychic5719]

Don't forget it's just an invention. A Dr is an invention and can be changed as such. Philosophy said so.

[@milescoleman910]

Doctors are just a social construct

[@12thGenNewton]

“Some ideas are so stupid that only intellectuals believe them.” -George Orwell

[@milos454]

This is exactly how I imagine someone named Thaddeus would be like.

[@tamnicco]

Thaddeus is a bit tedious

[@irrelevantideology9640]

😂😂😂 underrated comment.

[@thearmchairpsychologist27]

Well then you're gonna love Thaddeus Young 😅

[@Osodjrhrb]

😂😂😂😂😂😂👌

[@robertedwards9861]

nailed it

[@mikeweaver8495]

“Jordan Peterson is wrong about post modernism.” Proceeds to define post modernism exactly the same as Jordan Peterson does. Lol

[@sharinganofthewest6367]

I truly thought i was the only one who thought this, and i said to myself, “maybe i havent heard enough of Jordan Peterson, and this gentleman has something of interest to say,” and he proceeded to quote Dr.JBP with flawless precision 😂😐

[@burgandy57]

Lol. So true. JP not only understands it, has read Fucco, but actually describes it almost verbatim as this guy. Lol. The blind arrogance is cringy

[@pleasuresunknown1615]

That is o true lol

[@sitibono8309]

Right! Jordan actually explained it better and made it seem way less fucked up than this dude did.

[@johnyoung3397]

Lol fucko, I like that spelling

[@notsobasicbecki658]

Thank you, Joe, for standing up to this guy who thinks he has it all figured out. The exception to the rule doesn't become the rule.

[@jeffhatmaker817]

Agree. Notice how this smug 'genius' ends many of his sentences with, 'right'. A sure sign of insecurity.

[@nonstopphilly]

When Joe said “Prisoners” I lost it 😭😭😭😂

[@maliksamarijones9304]

Thaddeus is proof that just because you can string together sentences, doesn't mean you're smart

[@august6389]

Reminds me of Jordan Peterson

[@bskee001]

Reminds me of Deepak Chopra

[@danielpriest1142]

This man would have us speaking whole sentences to state something that could be said with one word. All because universally agreed upon defintions are meaningless apparently.

[@suvamkharel541]

Ben saphiro too!

[@sansoosavage]

“The ability to speak doesn’t make you intelligent” - Qui Gonn Jin

[@Ophiuchus97]

He’s literally a postmodernist..literally everything JP said, “how they interpret the world is different” this is amazingly scary

[@libertyprime9307]

It is creepy but also not too hard to understand how he got there. If you really accept that categories we invented for communication only serve to harm people rather than actual utility, it kind of makes sense to think we should just change the categories. Except, my problem is: 1. I think he is very dismissive of the actual utility of traditional man/woman categories. It's certainly more useful than he gives it credit for and is used many times a day. 2. If we change the category to appease those who are unhappy with the category, we will then need a new word for the old category. We would then probably revert to using the old category under its new name. 3. Unless he also believes all categories which make someone unhappy should be altered, this is a double standard. Many short people are not happy about the short/talk category. Yet I don't imagine he would defend breaking that down.

[@Lordofthewhyz]

@@libertyprime9307 well said

[@kobefurness4746]

Thats what I was thinking. Like am I the only one that thinks this guy has literally no idea what he is talking about?

[@libertyprime9307]

@@kobefurness4746 Sometimes very smart people can believe in obvious nonsense, because their focus on a particular issue is laser-tight. If you just hard focus on the issue of oppression and victimhood, I mean it's easy to end up thinking like a neo-Marxist. The problem isn't even necessarily that the facts are wrong, just incomplete. Too many relevant things left out of consideration.

[@anonimus648]

@@libertyprime9307 can you give an example of a very smart person believing obvious nonsense?

[@vinvinvichii]

This guy solidified my distain for postmodernism.

[@loganballing5545]

So his argument is “There are different kinds of circles, therefore circles don’t exist. They are a construct.”

[@CipherSerpico]

No, his argument is: “There are different kinds of circles, therefore circles don’t exist… _And the reason I know that they don’t exist-is precisely because ‘It’s impossible for me to know that they don’t exist._ _And we shouldn’t be focusing on ‘absolutely horrific things that millions of people have to deal with around the world-every single day… and we shouldn’t be worrying about death, famine, poverty, education, crime, or medicine - We should be focusing on ‘stopping people from acknowledging the possible existence of ‘shapes’…_ _’Shapes’ don’t exist, even though, if they do-they still don’t-and since I can’t know if they do-or don’t-or can-or could-exist-I can’t know if they do or don’t, but I do”._ That’s his argument. It’s much dumber than what you said.

[@thenes006]

I love it when an academic encounters a regular guy and can’t answer common sense questions.

[@ryanrich06]

Thaddeus is an idiot not an academic. There’s a difference.

[@arjitjere1559]

A true communicator even an a academician should be able to explain things even to a common guy..

[@samusaran13372]

@Trade Bum Simmons I don't know, man. I think a good amount of college students think that, because it's coming from a professor, that it must have some truth to it. They just don't think about it. Phones/weed/alcohol/porn/video games/netflix/etc...

[@CaptainMarget]

@Trade Bum Simmons I have to listen to this kinda stuff at uni (psychology) and i wouldnt dare question it as i want to be excepted into honours and masters. Sadly the system is built for conformity.

[@Tonyklick]

What if the academic person can answer it after a nights sleep? Or do you feel that if you have learnt something through academia you should be able to answer any question on the spot or else you don't know the topic?

[@sophiareyna4087]

Absolutely love how Joe rogan is always open to new ideas but definitely fights back on stupidity

[@ChristianToth-uv1nv]

And also, this is what these ppl have tried to do and continue to try to do and I have to say the following: I am 32 years old, and I honestly do not think I have ever met one intersex person. FACTS. It’s not common and don’t ever let anyone tell you otherwise. And I don’t know any men who were born infertile either.

[@br-jj6re]

@@ChristianToth-uv1nvjust because you don’t know any doesn’t mean you should discount them, but yes it’s exceedingly rare

[@AZRN928]

Thank God he does that!

[@cuchanu]

I'm not sure I agree with this guy, and his point can be a little bit hard to follow along but once you get it doesn't sound as stupid as it does at first.. I do think he's over intellectualizing it, but I also find his point to be interesting. That being said I don't think I will ever find myself willing to date a trans person, social construct or not.

[@ethanbaran6158]

It's not hard at all to follow, and no it does not make sense, not even a little bit. Every mammal on earth has a male/female dichotomy and there is absolutely nothing socially constructed about that. You can argue about the roles associated with male and female, but you can never argue against the male/female dichotomy within mammals without being factually wrong.

[@LB-io4tn]

“Hey if I put on this policeman costume I am now a cop.” *proceeds to try and arrest someone* “Yo you can’t do that!” “Why not? Police officer is just a social construct anyways. I can be who ever I want to be!”

[@fleebertreatise1063]

This is probably the most widely watched video depicting social construct theory, and people in this audience just decided they despise it. Without taking a moment to understand where it’s coming from, or the evidence for and against it. At least it seems that way. I think Thaddeus’ main flaw here is that he’s not making a distinction between the connection of these social theories and how we live our lives on a daily basis. There’s assumptions baked in to daily life, which are beneficial or harmful. People should criticize constructs and understand that they don’t have to live within them if it doesn’t actually make sense in the long run. The focus on categorization is a waste of time IMO, because it is inevitable and has a long history.

[@Jamesss558]

He's very confident for someone talking absolute nonsense 😂

[@tooalienforearth5638]

Most people who speak nonsense are the most confident people which is why they feel comfortable speaking nonsense

[@yeshuasage3724]

@@tooalienforearth5638 im always amazed by ppl like that

[@honestabe6841]

Exactly

[@basedjj93]

Seriously 😂

[@SevensWorld711]

I’m sitting here dying rn 😂😂😂

[@kwanwonchung]

This boy is a perfect example of what happens when you tell kids there are "no stupid questions"

[@alexmoss3228]

Just stupid people

[@michaelbaker9558]

😂

[@intothevoid3962]

Exactly. Like when they try to tell you math isn't real.

[@emmanuelvelazquez3197]

Hilarious

[@makokx7063]

My English teacher in the 90s used to always say, remember there's no such thing as a stupid question, only stupid people.

[@BonesFPV]

I loathe this dishonest way of arguing. There is no growth. Good on Rogan for holding a very reasonable line.

[@Matt-og6qv]

Lmao! Joe is awesome . Thank god for this rebuttal

[@marcelloruiz2888]

This guy is exactly what Jordan Peterson is warning us about…

[@geegeejacobs1841]

Not even close

[@sergioflores4020]

@@geegeejacobs1841 very close

[@kaloyankolev9804]

What did he warn you about? The man just has stupid ideas that are fundamentally wrong. He should admit that he is not right and move on. Not at all what JP "warned us about"

[@marcelloruiz2888]

@@kaloyankolev9804 well in some sense he is warning us about this nihilistic viewpoint since it’s becoming popularized to some extent by the left, media outlets and to a certain extent education systems. We all know that Jordan Peterson is a big proponent of order and acknowledges the utility of hierarchies, objective realities, value systems etc while also being able to criticize those same ideas for the negatives that they also bring. I worded Thaddeus as “the guy Jordan Peterson is warning us about” bc he is the embodiment of nihilistic post-modernism who believes basically everything is a social construct and that objective realities don’t exist.

[@bestchrisengler]

He’s done exactly ZERO thinking of his own.

[@merv4n767]

“I think we’re getting silly”😂😂😭😭

[@richardcroteau1733]

Lol. I think we've been silly for quite some time now to be honest.

[@helco2856]

Haha kills me when joe says that

[@noah7477]

Lmao!

[@teresadalessio1]

No Peterson is Right because post-modernism is the idea that there's an infinite amount of possibilities and the amount of Truths in every situation and if a person has the gender of a girl of asan defent, can identify as a black man and both of those statements are equally true. That's inaccurate of course because we have sex in the projective truth regardless of what truth you want to take this. The truth is independent of people and their opinion. Frank me house like to call it subjective truth but because postmodern in every possible truth is equal none more so than the other meaning any truth a person believes in the objective truth subjective truth doesn't exist because if you think you're a man show me different REI that is your objective truth and that is post-modernism. Post-modernism destroy the ability of different groups to communicate with each other with different opinion and ideas regarding the objective truth and if you don't have an objective truth there's no way you could discuss anything with anybody... if I claim a woman is one thing and you claim a woman is something else, how can you defeat important women's issues if you can even agree on what a woman is. We know what a woman is a woman has XX chromosome and female sex organ but postmodernist can you come up with a hundred different meanings for a woman and we won't be able to communicate because we don't even know what each other is talking about. Is mathematics is a universally understood language, objective truth exist the same way. Objective truths are just like the international language of mass. Logical people understand that there's only 1 adjectives truth Annie's you with postmodern they think there's hundreds of equally objective truths,

[@Kingsmoke_365]

I was hoping some one would lol

[@IsakAidee]

The problem I have with postmodernists is that they can't seem to differentiate between calling the discription of the concept a social construct, and the actual concepts itself that's being described. The categories may be made up, but they're there to represent and simplify real, tangible things that happens. Categories aren't there to cater to everyone of your ever so important attributes, they're there to represent groups of similar or related concepts, depending on the subject, and make communication easier yet more effective by adhering to commonly set rules and definitions.

[@zeenuf00]

Postmodernists don't want clarity. They want obfuscation so they can live out their degenerate ideologies.

[@steficristian6003]

He's confusing human language being a social construct (which it is) with the things it describes being social constructs (which they usually aren't). It's like if I pointed at a table and said that the table is a social construct because it's really just a bunch of atoms put together and the idea of "table" only exists in my head. That's definitely one way of looking at things but we are going deep into philosophy, it's not very useful in everyday practice and it's definitely not the only way to look at things. One can of course look at what it is we're describing with our words and if that thing exists and can be observed in reality, then it's not a social construct. The table exists so it's not a social construct. So it goes for race, so it goes for gender. He gives past discrimination as reason for this ideology because, as he puts it, these "divisions" always lead to discrimination. He's basically saying the only way to not be misogynistic is if there is no such thing as men and women at all which is just plain stupid.

[@zeenuf00]

@@steficristian6003 sounds like a bunch of mental masturbation.

[@AntiGuru498]

But that's what they seem to be pointing out though, that these simplifications have been created for the people in power to make controlling individual freedoms easier. I don't know, seems super far fetched but if i play devils advocate i can kinda grasp where the dude is coming from though i don't see how it would liberate anybody especially within then confines of our current cultural boundaries and even if they did change it i don't think he's really thought about the potential cultural repercussions of pushing forward with these kind of ideas.

[@IsakAidee]

@@AntiGuru498 Yeah but you can understand how someone thinks without it meaning you agree with the sentiment or that it makes sense. What he thinks doesn't make sense peactically and he's wrong that it leads to discrimination. That's just one of many possible outcomes. Our philosophies and actions is what determines if we subject others to discrimination, not the categories themselves. So, it's like the dude above said, get rid of all the categories! It's a dumb solution to a problem with a root he doesn't fully understand.

[@billybrooks1]

Jordan would dismantle this guy so fast

[@obmarte3803]

YES! I know JP doesn't seek arguments, but God would I love to see it.

[@davidqheffner]

I was thinking the same thing.

[@johnd1047]

undoubtably

[@Clingan5]

I wish Jordan would debate this idiot for shits and giggles and our viewing pleasure.

[@natevelar]

wait...what? Jordan thinks humans are of the Human Race and some "color race" at the same damn time? That's very ignorant.

[@matthewnonn4948]

This guy's whole arguement is we invented words for these things so everything is invented.

[@miggy2002]

Yeah that's it. And that was even acceptable to an extent, but then he started saying that distinguishing between men and women served the elite and there was nothing positive about it.

[@flyboy7593]

Exactly... his whole "argument" can be summed in that sentance. Dude is an idiot.

[@mweathers79]

Thor: "all words are made up."

[@ACarter87]

In other words he’s a democrat???

[@ACarter87]

@@flyboy7593 if you’re going to call someone an idiot, maybe know how to spell the word sentence ……

[@Marm_alade]

My fav kind of video….comedian on podcast. Really boosts the serotonin. 😂

[@vonshitz]

Thank God we have Jordan Peterson fighting against this kind of stupidity!

[@aidancoletta7153]

"I think we're getting silly" 🤣🤣🤣 We certainly are joe. We certainly are.

[@salesbuffet]

Jordan Peterson would end this guy’s non-existent career in 20 minutes.

[@melaniew52]

I think this guy would take the Kathy Newman approach in a conversation with JP. "So what you're saying is? "

[@nmhjjp]

They are literraly saying the same thing dude

[@pbcityis-witty6268]

@@nmhjjp when has JP said I don't think people are born anything and biology doesn't matter

[@ThisIsSparta300]

I’d give him not even 5 against JP the goat 🐐

[@ThisIsSparta300]

@@nmhjjp you literally can’t even spell literally, log off. Nobody agrees with this moron

[@schurging22]

Summary.... Thaddeus: The way we label things is wrong. They're just 🏷 tags we stick on things. We can change the tags! 😃 Joe: But those tags are linguistic placeholders for our tangible reality, and that reality does not interact in the way you wish to re-do the tags. 🧐 Thaddeus: 😶🥺

[@Jedi_Are_Scum]

David Reimer (22 August 1965 - 4 May 2004) was a Canadian man born male but raised as a girl following medical advice and intervention after his penis was severely injured during a botched circumcision in infancy. The psychologist John Money oversaw the case and reported the reassignment as successful and as evidence that gender identity is primarily learned. The academic sexologist Milton Diamond later reported that Reimer's realization that he was not a girl crystallized between the ages of 9 and 11 years and that he was living as a male by age 15. Well known in medical circles for years anonymously as the "John/Joan" case, Reimer later went public with his story to help discourage similar medical practices. At age 38, he committed suicide after suffering severe depression.

[@luketa9636]

I’m really proud of Joe on this one, he stood his ground and pushed back.

[@GlennTwiddle1]

And somehow remained polite

[@dgp187]

Easy to do against utter nonsense, this guy's arguments arent even sensible or logical just make him look like a complete idiot .

[@davidgraham8058]

​@@dgp187 He seems to be deep in the well of extremist postmodernism. He doesn't seem to acknowledge that the words we use (man, woman, boy girl etc) are mapped onto common biological realities rather than just arbitrary definitions. He might as well argue that human beings are not mammals and he could make the same claims: 'Mammal' is a social construct'. 'There are various characteristics that are used to define 'mammal'. 'We are told mammals have hair, but dolphins don't and they are considered mammals'.

[@BBBBBBBBBBBX]

When doesn't he lol

[@chromebooktest1128]

@@davidgraham8058 dolphins are born with hair but loose it shortly after birth, this is true for whales as well. but yeah, the dude kind of did say that when he said that the sexes of animals are a construct that we have applied to them. i wish joe wouldve pushed a little bit more to differentiate the expression, which is developed after birth and with exposure to the environment, from the biological consistencies, like, obviously a fetus cant be gay or a "wormself" or whatever, but we can observe the physical sexual characteristics long before its fully developed. it seems to me that the idea that this guy is ultimately trying to push is, "when these categories are used to oppress people, THEN it is a bad thing." so... why not just say that instead? rather than, "categorization is harmful, yet necessary, but we have to get rid of it, but we also cant function without it." dude is stuck in a loop hes not nearly as comfortable as he seems, hes afraid to face something thats preventing him from breaking this fallacious circle jerk

[@lampini]

This guy is killing me. He’s making his life needlessly more complicated

[@kurtnaugle]

No he is just trying to change what we know to be TRUE so that the argument cant be said that you have to be born one way or the other! That destroys there argument!

[@alleras46]

@@kurtnaugle Yeah but why do we have to be so extreme about it? Why does EVERYTHING have to be a social construct? Why can't we say, OK these things are constructed and these things are tied to gender and so on... When you make blanket statements it just seems like an agenda

[@ThatBigCactus]

@@alleras46 He's totally wrong. His argument is that because things exist on a broad spectrum that categories are useless. I wonder if he thinks the words hot and cold are useless because temperature is such large scale.... Just because the category of race/sex are more complicated spectrums doesn't mean they aren't useless..

[@alleras46]

@@ThatBigCactus Yeah the argument doesn't hold up. It's totally disengenuous and he knows it

[@joshludwick8645]

@@alleras46 well...maybe he doesn't know it which would make him srupid. But if he does know it, that makes him full O' shit. Regardless, I'm embarrassed for him that he is a professor.

[@sampappas212]

I love that joe gets all sides of a story a chance to talk

[@sifridbassoon]

That other guy reminds me of the Monty Python Argument Department sketch.

[@ruebenrobinson1479]

You need guys like Thaddeus to argue absurdities that no self-respecting person would attempt to socialize. Kudos to Thaddeus for sacrificing his dignity to demonstrate how stupidity manifests into an incoherent worldview.

[@martinaee]

😬 ….. Yeah, kinda lol. Somebody has to be the brutally oblivious guy to walk into the cave to check for bears. This is that 😂

[@slipperysloper3721]

Problem is, what he’s arguing is literally being taught by PHDs at universities and major influencing organizations like mass media, Hollywood and entire political parties.

[@martinaee]

@brad chadley So every conversation needs to be a tangential four-hour discussion on the nature of being and inherent or divergent properties and personalities? Yeah, I’m good. And so are 99.9% of people in real society/life.

[@slipperysloper3721]

@brad chadley dude, he straight up said Andy Dick and a UFC fighter were different genders because one was more traditionally masculine. It’s insane. In his defense, the premise is absolutely nonsense so by default, his argument will be nonsense.

[@dorianoddi3452]

This shouldn’t even be a debate in the first place. Based on biological differences, male and females should be categorized.

[@seanmadison6360]

"You are losing me in a huge way"...haha. I felt the same way. That guy talked word salad for 5 minutes straight.

[@scooterallen1834]

When someone I am conversing with says “right?”, multiple times, I”m out. Right?

[@jebhampton6031]

I can just imagine this being animated and they got a Doberman with Lipstick and a tutu and a purse 😂

[@crookedgooner]

This guy, yes guy, made the crucial mistake of assuming Joe was dumb, and spoke to him as such. The only reason he can say what he says so confidently to Joe is because he probably lives in an echo chamber of other likeminded friends who believe the same. Based on his tone of voice and the way he reacts to Joes counter arguments you can see his narcissism shine through. Well said Joe 👏🏽

[@stephenchapman4534]

This is our entire country tho... How many times are you chillin with people completely opposite of you?m. Maybe some coworkers, but you arent hanging out with them.

[@rynolascavio3381]

@@stephenchapman4534 True. But most of us hand out with "normal" people, not people like this fruitcake.

[@Groovy1965]

The guy is full of that academic hubris that I can't stand

[@skoobydue6958]

I listen to this every few months just to feel better about myself.

[@godisgood201]

Skooby Due yea because if people consider this guy an intellectual, then everyone that isn’t this guy is Albert Einstein.

[@joelkeane3160]

Ha, yeah me too. It’s fascinating isn’t it that we could be drawn to this as entertainment.

[@georgemargaris]

yep, today is my therapy session, it really helps. It cleans the crap out of your brain's logic center.... makes it think more clearly. This segment makes your brain WANT to think more clearly just in order to NOT be like that in any way form or shape...

[@azedc6659]

Me too lol

[@Benjamin-1776-]

Holy shit, that is hilarious! I also watch this every few months to renew my hatred for all things "progressive" and as a reminder that freaks like this Thaddeus flamer have taken over our schools and universities and they are brainwashing entire generations with their mentally ill leftist propaganda. Sadly, portions of our cities are currently being burnt down by the useful idiots these people have brainwashed. Leftism is a terminal disease and the evil people promoting it to our kids are 100% aware of this fact. Random piece of advice: Always kill traitors first even before the enemy.

[@Tinyflydeposit]

This had me grinding my teeth and screaming into the void.

[@mrc3679]

This guy is bananas. Every day they push the bar further down the rabbit hole of silliness. Movie Idiocracy has come to life.

[@mattq2708]

I lost brain cells listening to this guy.

[@Coma030493]

Seriously... and to think it is not his first time on the podcast

[@Opressed]

Same, but i‘m impressed that he is very calm and patient in that argument while Joe is raising his voice and interrupting.

[@meteay3611]

Me too brother

[@cossy85]

Thaddeus is extremely confused and contradicts himself… The reason why you feel like your brain is dissolving like a slug in salt can be put to the lack of logic and basic biology being spewed by this guy..

[@ramanshrestha5970]

true that

[@JohnSmith-hx3rf]

It’s amazing how one can sound so clear, confident and articulate then speak nonsense

[@aperson2943]

@JoJoKiwi I like that. It's so true. Many times you take a person who can really sing, but can't right, can't produce, or even play an instrument. They need a team behind them. Hell, for decades the music industry promoted people who had no talent at all, but looked a certain way. This guy checks all of the woke boxes, so of course he gets a spotlight.

[@aperson2943]

You just described all of leftist Academia

[@samusaran13372]

I didn't think he sounded confident. Just smug, hiding behind snarky comments and playing the victim.

[@johnolin]

I think he actually made a decent point but I don’t think Joe was grasping his point. And I also think he missed the opportunity to address the biological gender factors. But if you listen closely, he is making sense.

[@Rooster7six]

Kinseys research has been proven to be skewed by who participants he chose for his research. He had an agenda

[@lordbeerus1232]

If only he’d put all that energy into something like science that actually contributes to the advancement of civilization.

[@thewolf5459]

Thaddeus: "Post-modernism is the supreme achievement of human society." Also Thaddeus: "no, you mean the thing we call a penis doesn't mean the dog is a male."

[@mason7878]

Also if there are any exceptions to any rules whatsoever we must eliminate those rules completely. 0.2% of people are trans therefore men and women are social constructs

[@potterj09]

haha brilliant 👌

[@Aztahs]

This is the sound of a person who has never been challenged before. He even admitted it towards the end. "I thought you were with me for the first hour and a half, now I don't know what to say"

[@Josh-fz9rh]

Wait wait wait what do you mean you don’t agree with me. Oh man, idk how to defend my argument. Yeah, cause you Cleary don’t have one 😂

[@evgama4085]

18:12 "And I want to end it here" bro was struggling 😭😭

[@damarisderbidge4025]

Did he say the trans movement didnt come out of postmodernism and then explain what postmodernism is, which describes the trans ideology to a tee??!

[@saltyguerrillas7960]

Thaddeus: “I operate in that world” Joe: “The dog penis world?” I’m dying 🤣

[@thetributary8089]

Hilariuos

[@karnazacss]

Joe's definitely GOATED

[@piratesfan1995able]

Ironically this man is suffering from MALE pattern baldness

[@coryclark6167]

Ruby Night too much male dht

[@natemiller6756]

There's female pattern baldness as well dipshit. Why is baldness only chalked up to males when females develop it as well?

[@coryclark6167]

Nate Miller dihydrotestosterone is a male androgen responsible for male pattern baldness. It is the most androgenic hormone that is produced. Males have high levels of testosterone.

[@natemiller6756]

@@coryclark6167 There are tons of "women" that have higher levels of testosterone than "men". For example look at Ronda Rousey and tell me that she doesn't have more testosterone than the average guy 😂

[@coryclark6167]

Nate Miller no

[@jeremy454]

I’ve never heard anyone talk so much without saying anything.

[@thehater6189]

He is objectively wrong. The post modernists are not the ones who realized change happened over time with respect to roles. We have known this since the beginning. Its in nearly every creation myth, religion and history

[@PsychClub]

Smug and wrong is so much worse than simply being wrong.

[@ericstrat3579]

“Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools,...” Romans 1:22

[@codyhornecinema]

This

[@keithnewman9873]

You shook me on that script brother

[@SamGuess777]

I love this

[@tillmanminter2]

nice 😂

[@lorenzomuhammad1715]

Perfect

[@cvc2907]

The stupidity in the world today is astounding. Basic toddler-like logic seems to be gone.

[@johnh4132]

I agree being a man or women is a social construct but being male and female is just a real thing

[@gdubsterz1238]

When he hears JP talk about post modernism he wants to throw a chair around the room...the problem is he can't lift one.

[@obmarte3803]

🤣 🤣 🤣

[@zacharyspurlin957]

I’ve thrown two chairs just listening to this 🤡 hahaha

[@kylesullivan6285]

A chair is just a social construct.

[@obmarte3803]

@@kylesullivan6285 Actually, yes.

[@Valstein0]

The problem is that some chairs don't have 4 legs so chairs don't exist.

[@cagebeast]

This guy makes me feel like a genius

[@aytheonashhelm3450]

Lol probably should do that.

[@themarcusnash13]

Hahahaha

[@jumantewashington8715]

And he'd talk to you like you're four years old.

[@ChrisTopher-vh8tu]

This dude is trying so hard not to be stereotypically toxic.. that is is fueling his real-world toxicity.

[@sheilamacdougal4874]

His claims about post-modernist achievements, and what supposedly was the prevailing orthodoxy before post-modernism, are ludicrous. Yet the level of rationality goes downhill from there.

[@LB-io4tn]

*Goes to a zoo and gets into the lion cage* “Hey man you can’t do that! That lion is gonna eat you!” “I identify as a lion. Humans are just a social construct. I can be who ever I want to be!” *proceeds to be mauled by lion*

[@adamc393]

Thaddeus Russell, thank goodness these people are exposing themselves with ludicrous ideas.

[@kevinsmith-sg5uj]

This man is a college professor... ITS OVER WE ARE DONE AS A CULTURE

[@michaelwashburn5633]

kevin smith Your not lying, this dude is a fucking funny brained idiot and needs to call Jordan Peterson up have his face slapped

[@kevinsmith-sg5uj]

@Michael Washburn hoping Jordan recovers from whatever it is he is going through... not much info out there about his condition... but the one thing this professor is right about and doesn’t know it is that you can’t be a post-modernist and a Marxist, but he doesn’t seem to realize that’s kinda the point Peterson makes, that their own ideologies don’t make sense which is why... we need to “believe all women, and women make less than men” but at the same time, “women can become men.” So is Donald Trump the first female President?

[@ukmeyer9730]

This is the consequence of separating church and state (no fan of christendom though)... this has only begun by the way... just wait.

[@halberggb3124]

@@user-hw6fr1wl8w Personal freedom is the only thing we have dumbknot. You prefer to have the church to control instead of the sjw? At least now the economy and science has advanced unmesuarably and we are better than any time in history. Go away with your tax evader delusion sellers churches. We are definetely better without them at the helm.

[@Stabsnipers]

@arniebarb123 Merry Christmas was never replaced by society. It was a handful of retail stores who told their employees to wish their customers "happy holidays" instead of merry Christmas because believe it or not, not everyone celebrates Christmas, so it actually makes more sense to say happy holidays unless you happen to know the person celebrates Christmas.

[@tartamihai1]

His discourse perfectly outlines what it means to be ideologically possesed and to be willing to warp reality in all sorts of ways just to make your ideology work. This is properly ridiculous.

[@ApacheMagic]

Behaviour isn’t sex. You can be a butch woman or an effeminate man but that doesn’t change your sex.

[@benmeltzer]

"I don't know where to go from here."

[@findawaytowin2968]

“I think we’re gettin silly”. Lmfao

[@jakemate8442]

3 years later. This guy sounds just as ridiculous

[@shawnh4454]

Thaddeus is so condescending. That laugh. It's irritating.

[@obelisk_hd]

Shawn H He is and he tries to hide it

[@sparkfx5874]

@@obelisk_hd Yeah this guy is either a complete idiot or totally bat shit and I can't figure out which it is - but it's funny how alot of times it's people like that who are so arrogant, close-minded and condescending.

[@cassandraelswick3062]

Omg, yes! So smug. I don’t know how Joe kept his cool. And the idea that you’re going to invoke the Kinsey Study as proof of anything is a straight up joke.

[@natemiller6756]

@@cassandraelswick3062 Whats wrong with invoking the Kinsey study? Doesn't fit into your narrative?

[@Sylvan_dB]

@@natemiller6756 Have you never looked at it? The sample set was composed of convicts, prostitutes and self-selected volunteers. You could not pick a less representative sample if you tried. Even Kinsey said the reports were not definitive but only just a beginning.

[@caveake]

13:00 - when a gay man tries to talk straight man into having sex.

[@plomp2097]

the biggest issue with saying that its only a small population of people that are xy and z that are male is that males are supposed to be born a certain way. if they are not you can go to the doctor and figure out whats wrong. some issues may not need a doctor at all for example being a homosexual. but males are supposed to be born in certain peramiters and thats why we categorize them.

[@ChrisMiddleton91]

"Grass is green and grows outside" "Well this grass is yellow and grows inside, therefore all categories are wrong."

[@brendant19]

Even more likely is "the word "grass" is made up by humans, and the confines of the category "grass" are not strictly laws of the universe, therefore grass is a social construct". Most of this stuff is a semantic word game with absolutely no meat on the bone. Any category, no matter how objectively defined, like animals vs plants for example, could be called a social construct when this is how you look at it.

[@Krowsnose]

logically sound...

[@jackfrane5699]

Not saying categories are wrong just saying that grass is a category we have invented just like gender

[@adamsmith4180]

Nice strawman lol

[@yung_wise5861]

@@brendant19 that's why this is so stupid. If someones argument is "yeah but humans made up that name and category" no dip. We have to identify our surroundings... we have to group and categorize things so we can navigate the world. Then we all group and agree on what the consensus should be on what terms work and what defines those terms. So that we aren't having to adjust our thinking and speech for EVERY single person because nothing is defined and they can make up their own language and definition at any time.

[@davidtwan4186]

The luxury of this mans ideas could only occur in today’s society.

[@boorhaave5880]

Yeah it's a common critique of postmodernism, that it's basically a form of luxury theorising that emerges from excessively comfortable living conditions

[@heythere5121]

@@boorhaave5880 non-binary and agender identities have existed in many cultures throughout history. This isn't new at all.

[@boorhaave5880]

@@heythere5121 Sure but there is a disproportionate interest in them in wealthy countries

[@heythere5121]

@@boorhaave5880 and what's wrong with that? And the cultures I'm talking about aren't rich at all. Some Navajo and Hawaiian tribes had agender and non-binary identities but of course they didn't call it that, they had different names but basically they still identified as neither boy or girl.

[@tom.2900]

@@heythere5121 What's wrong with that? Well it seems to be leading the charge against the demise of our culture.

[@Alex-mj5dv]

What a load of absolute bollocks. Not only did he incorrectly summarise the French postmodernist worldview (only to try and skewer JP), he made not one modicum of sense outside of his world of academia.

[@cheleonearth]

How are we supposed to be able to communicate at all if we can’t agree on the most basic thing anymore?

[@LeftWithRight]

This dude had me for like the first 2 minutes then just went entirely off the deep end. Thaddeus ur insane my guy

[@notanotherjamesmurphy5574]

My dude just called Thaddeus my guy

[@Mike_C-79]

I agree. I actually agree with a lot of what this guy is saying but I could probably make better arguments than he did. He is not very good at it. The biological differences between men and women is a small portion of all of the traits that we have typically associated with men and women and I think that many of the reasons that we label men and women as we do can do more harm than good.

[@sebastianradlmeier8922]

@@Mike_C-79 Lol. Whether you have a dick or a puss is just a small part of the differences between men and women? I doubt that.

[@Mike_C-79]

@@sebastianradlmeier8922 I'm sure you do. Perhaps you just don't understand what I'm talking about. I said biological differences. You're dumbing it down to just genitalia. Maybe you're just simple. There are so many traits that we associate as masculine and feminine other than just biological traits, that aren't actually linked to biology. Clothes, toys, make-up, emotions, speaking, roles, careers, colors, sports, television, music......it goes on and on. There are so many more. Why do women, for example, typically shave their legs and armpits, and even facial hair, which is more common than you probably realize? Is that biological? Is pink biologically feminine? Is crying biologically feminine, or do men usually prevent themselves from crying in public because they think it's feminine? Just a few examples.

[@sebastianradlmeier8922]

@@Mike_C-79 So you are talking about biological stuff? So am I. "Dick, pussy", he shouted. Well, that sounds pretty biological to me. And what kinda genitalIa - as you may call it - you are born with and who you wanna fuck has a huge impact. It influences the clothes we wear, whether you put on make-up, the careers we choose, the sports we play, the music we listen to, whether you shave your legs and armpits, and so on. If it's not a difference directly rooted in biology, it oftentimes is indirectly (meaning, people do their best to appear as fuckable as possible.). But, who knows, maybe I am just simple.

[@markupton1417]

Dude's argument is literally..."Toyotas are different than Fords therefore...cars do not exist!" Brilliant!

[@martinaee]

Hold on tho- What if a car begins to feel that it has always identified as a truck? 😵‍💫

[@Zodiark0Knight]

Yep. It's simply asinine.

[@cheveronLI]

@@martinaee you mean el Caminos are ladyboys in the car world?

[@Groovy1965]

Well said

[@stepheninczech]

Very interesting. What Russell’s logic really boils down to is that he wants to pick choose when people can apply categorization for the benefit of certain people he wants to support.

[@thefrozencrown9388]

Tell me you've never worked with your hands without telling me youve never worked with your hands

[@Fr0mDust2Dust]

Joe calling him out for calling them “Guys” is priceless. His whole existence is based on saying men and Women don’t exist but he doesn’t even know what to call them when referencing them. You can’t make up this sort of stupid.

[@nonono9194]

I lol'ed when he said "the category of man becomes meaningless.... come on MAN" 🤣🤣

[@sporttiger1766]

Joe's best line ever..."I think we're getting silly" with his chin on his hand...LOL

[@ManicMindTrick]

Classic Joe Rogan line.

[@joshwhite6025]

This conversation killed so many of my brain cells

[@DougSeven]

Stupidity is so exhausting and ALWAYS eats its own tail.

[@seansweeney7316]

This guy is trying so hard to sound smart and groundbreaking that he is actually showing how dumb his idea is.

[@natemiller6756]

His idea has more truth to it than the entirety of JPs philosophy honestly

[@mmor7380]

@@natemiller6756 he said man don't exist how is that truth??

[@natemiller6756]

@@mmor7380 No he didn't. He said that the notion of gender is a social construct. Big difference.

[@mmor7380]

@@natemiller6756 but human didn't say that man exist, it does exist ,wheher we like it or not, is just reality, we don't have anything to do with it, society doesn't have anything to do with it,

[@natemiller6756]

@@mmor7380 Humans created the category of "man". "Man" and "Woman" are just labels that we,ve slapped on humans with certain characteristics.

[@APSXX]

What I would give to see him debate Jordan and be embarrassed and reduced to tears.

[@natemiller6756]

Jordan would do nothing apart from obfuscate the entire debate with his word salads. That's his whole schtick.

[@GrammeStudio]

that would be the most ironic moments in debate history. a postmodernist debates a post-postmodernist. "hey all truths are equally real". "erm no...moral truths are MORE REAL than scientific truths"

[@MOperator]

@@natemiller6756 will you be able to debate jp?

[@natemiller6756]

@@MOperator Yes.

[@Dennzer1]

both are idiots

[@alecleibensperger4869]

I accidentally looked at a trashbag and then a duffelbag and now i dont know what a bag is.... thats essentially what hes saying with the Yoel Romero and Andy Dick comment

[@AJJ0904]

This guy: I personally know many men who are gay Also this guy: no such thing as men

[@natemiller6756]

You,re a fucking idiot

[@gregoriosamsa2722]

@@natemiller6756 I take you're into postmodernism views. If that's the case, I respect it. And I do am interested to know if you think that there's something, anything, iinherently wrong about White Straight Male

[@TheArbiterOfTruth]

The fact that Thaddeus is so deluded to actually believe that there is no biological difference between men and women is insane. He literally is just closing his eyes and denying reality.

[@alpha_raven]

@@natemiller6756 Seeing this name continue to pop up in this specific Joe Rogan video, calling names while amazingly avoiding having an actual argument, I am thinking this is Thaddeus' second account :)

[@natemiller6756]

@@TheArbiterOfTruth Nice strawman. He didn't once say anything remotely like there are no biological differences between men and women.

[@renatocavalcante8052]

I lost 15 points of my IQ while listening to this guy but then I got 20 points on my IQ by listening Joe Rogan response.

[@leejace]

You “thought” you lost 15 IQ points

[@pbo6562]

The ‘man’ who says he’s a man denies he was born a man. 🤣 “What does that mean anymore..” there’s the question that sums up that this “man” lost his testicles when someone else told him he wasn’t a man. AKA bully (gov or otherwise).

[@JustTenPodcast]

This was 6 years ago…woah

[@JTNorton]

Thank you Joe

[@theotherview1716]

This dude sounds like that guy who reads a lot but is just not that bright.