Is Germany Still a Nazi Nation? - War Against Humanity 141

[@WorldWarTwo]

Next Monday, on September 2nd. Join us for a live stream at 20:00 CET, airing directly after a special episode of World War 2 releasing at 19:30 CET. Tune in to hear directly from Indy and Spartacus as they look back on six years of documenting the war.

[@Cannon530YT]

I hope we get Fanfare of the Common Man for the final. Thank you, great stuff. _(Onward to VICOTRY!)_

[@FGB1201]

Could you guys make a video about Portugal in ww2 i cant understand what really happend in the portuguese territorys in Asia for example Macau wich i heard it wasnt attacked by the japanese with the exception of a air raid for mistake if Im not wrong, did the japanese didnt care of our presence in asia during their rid of europeans in asia?

[@peterflynn2111]

04:00 Tuesday Australian Eastern Time

[@deshaun9473]

This was an excellent episode, discussing the Denazification of Germany. Another example of a country that engaged in a state level reckoning and rectification of its past is South Africa after the end of apartheid. In the 1990s, the newly democratic government of South Africa formed the Truth And Reconciliation Process, which documented the atrocities of the Apartheid Regime, and took efforts to make amends to its victims. This process did a lot to foster reconcilation in South Africa, and pave the way for interracial healing between white and black South Africans. Because of this, South Africa, as well as Germany, are today shining examples of democracy, tolerance, and respect for human rights. Coming to terms with the past is instrumental in helping to create a fairer, more just, more equal, and more prosperous future. ❤

[@thagrifster594]

Sparta - Could you do a episode about HIAG and what effect the SS Veterans have or did have on post-war Germany?

[@ReezeGoingSenseless]

"Never forget" seems a much more honest Mantra than "never again" these days.

[@zk1919]

Never forget? .....the best comment and illustration how Germany is hiding and/or denying responsibility for WWII is what one of German Embassies wrote on September 1st - 85th anniversary of WWII - German invasion of Poland: "Today marks #AntiWarDay, a reminder of the devastating consequences of conflict. Over 250 wars have been fought since WWII, with millions of lives list. Let's honor the victims by advocating for peace and dialogue." So Germany was not the aggressor state accountable for genocide and war crimes and we should not remember who killed those millions of victims and pay attention to other wars not caused by German state".

[@rumrunner8019]

In Italy, meanwhile, the fascists just shrugged, took off their uniforms, and went back to work.

[@ClockworkJim]

Which is how you end up with Jim Carrey beefing with Mussolini's granddaughter on twitter

[@igorGriffiths]

Love the dialogue between Art Garfunkel and the old man in Catch 22 describing Italian political allegiance 😂

[@germanogirardelli]

yes and no, membership of the party was mandatory for public sector jobs, hence tram drivers were technically speaking part of the PNF. They were the ones taking off their uniforms on the 25th of April in Milan, which is where the myth of fascists removing their uniforms in plain daylight comes from. We didn't have a proper trial, and that's what truly went wrong

[@Dusty338]

Same situation with the Japanese. They even have public shrines to convicted war criminals.

[@tinman3586]

​@germanogirardelli The war was not about ideology (for the Western Allies at least), it was looked at as a clash of nations. Italy was not considered a major threat to the western world (and their poor preformance in the war was evidence of that). Therefore we really didn't care about their fascists or the Imperial Japanese war criminals for that matter, especially when war with the Soviet Union looked like it was looming on the horizon. Germany on the other hand was different. They had twice been at the center of a major global conflict and both times they nearly dethroned Britain and France as the dominant powers in Europe, and the United States was extremely lucky both times not having to sacrifice significant numbers of men to defeat Germany, thanks to mostly Britian and France in the First World War, and the Soviet Union in the Second World War. There was a strong possibility that Germany would again rise to challenge the Allied powers if their nationalism was not stamped out and their nation not put under the boot of the international community.

[@Mr110074]

I can’t believe tomorrow is the last Saturday episode. Thank you guys for all you have done. And thanks to the community for being there for the past 6 years through everything that has happened in the world and in all of our lives.

[@tigertank06]

Is it really? So no more uploads from Indy?

[@kathrynradonich3982]

​@@tigertank06 Korean war series is going

[@brucetucker4847]

They may keep it going for a bit like WW1 in Real Time did (although without Indy).

[@shaider1982]

There's still the Korean war. I think last war Doug will be in (after ww1 and ww2).

[@leisti]

@@shaider1982 And after that, there's the Vietnam War, the first and second Iraq wars, and the Afghanistan war. And by the time those series are finished, who knows, World War 3?

[@Del_S]

"We could give them guns and invade the Soviet Union." "Winston plz no."

[@Warszawski_Modernizm]

" Drunk at 9am again, Winston?"

[@657449]

The Germans were a spent force by 1945.

[@Icicle_Racing]

Goodbye, excelsior, and never forget! I certainly will never forget these episodes.

[@joelb8653]

Goodbye? Korea just started

[@pathutchison7688]

Spartacus, I wanted to post this on one of your videos specifically. This past Wednesday, Ryan, my girlfriend of 17 years passed away. since the series war against humanity began, she and I watched it together. Every time in new episode came out. It was this series specifically That got her into history and gave her an understanding of how bad the holocaust and all the other atrocities that occurred actually were. You and your series made a difference in her life and mine. And being that it was something we did together I now have a lot of good memories of her, me and you spending short amounts of time together every week. I just thought that you are the type of person who would like to know this. I loved her and miss her a lot and I just want to keep her memory alive as much as I possibly can. That’s all. Sorry for any misspellings or grammatical errors.

[@spartacus-olsson]

💔 thank you for sharing. I’m touched by sharing this glimpse of a memory of Ryan with you. Take care of yourself while you grieve. ❤️

[@pathutchison7688]

@@spartacus-olsson thanks Sparty. I figured you would understand.

[@sirhenrymorgan1187]

Similarly to the situation in Germany, the Allies also allowed several Japanese war criminals to return to political office after WW2. The most notable of these was Class-A war criminal Nobusuke Kishi, the "Yōkai (monster/demon) of the Shōwa era". Kishi was Prime Minister of Japan from 1957-1960, and is the grandfather of fellow Prime Minister and war crime denier Shinzo Abe.

[@bkjeong4302]

It was much worse in Japan where basically the entire ideology was allowed to survive and the same faction remains in power to this day.

[@rwagingsloth9528]

@@bkjeong4302 it is important to note that there was a rather drastic shift among Japanese people in the 90s that led to the LDP actually losing power for a short period(1993-1996, they'd also lost their majority in (1989-1993). the huge Japanese market bubble that popped in the 80s had a profound effect on Japanese politics and it's not entirely fair to say the LDP is the same before and after the 90s. that is however mostly just a technicality as many of the people in the party held positions before and after the political shift and said shift was primarily in their economic ideology as opposed to social ideology.

[@sirhenrymorgan1187]

@@rwagingsloth9528 The late 90s is also when the far-right Nippon Kaigi rose to prominence, and the LDP has retained a disturbing amount of overlap with NipKai to this day. The past three PMs (Kishida, Suga, and Abe) are all members of NipKai.

[@sirhenrymorgan1187]

@@1jimmarch It's hilarious to me how so many Japanese citizens ended up AGREEING with the assassin after Abe's ties to the Moonies were exposed. Couldn'ta happened to a nicer guy!

[@sirhenrymorgan1187]

@@1jimmarch It will never not be funny to me how the Japanese public mostly came to actually AGREE with the assassin after Abe was posthumously exposed for being in cahoots with the Moonies.

[@mammuchan8923]

Thank you Spartacus and team. Thank to you, we will never forget. And I hope this series stands for many years to come, with new generations hopefully watching too. Humanity present and future should never forget

[@roymartin500]

Absolutely! I started from the beginning but still like to go back and start over with The Winter War & pre War build up; Between 2 Wars. These were a labor of love by good people that are passionate about history.

[@mammuchan8923]

@@roymartin500 yes I have rewatched prior episodes many times. If you have the stomach, it works really well to watch a string of WAH in a row. I am planning to do that over December holidays I think

[@evancrum6811]

Agree. Thank you Sparty and team

[@roymartin500]

@@mammuchan8923 for sure! It helps to revisit and pick up details I might've missed the first time. I did visit the Holocaust museum when it was at the Smithsonian in D.C. years ago. Talk about gut wrenching, details I can't reiterate here but indeed WAH is a well done series. Thanks, It was my pleasure chatting with you. Have a wonderful weekend!

[@mammuchan8923]

@@roymartin500 thank you for your messages Roy, I see you are quite passionate about your history. I hope to travel there one day to see the museum . I wish you a restful weekend Sir

[@johnkolinski8298]

This entire series has been, and continues to be the BEST documentary series on WWII I have ever seen. Thanks to everyone involved. Please don’t stop! Korea (the “not a war” war-lol) up next. Then Vietnam? Thank you. Thank You! THANK YOU!!!

[@WorldWarTwo]

Thank you for you kind words, really appreciated. -Timeghost Ambassador

[@rosswebster7877]

Thank you Spartacus and Time Ghost Crew for this painful but necessary series. While I hope we all never forget I wish all of you at least a few well deserved moments of reprieve.

[@WorldWarTwo]

Thank you, never forget.

[@nikoking825]

I recall seeing Feli From Germany's channel, as a native from Munich she does a video about how the Nazis are discussed in Germany today. She stated that in the 1950s it was largely not spoken about. By the late 1960s (an era famous for counter-culture) there was more of an internal German reckoning of examining the Nazi past of Germany during the Hitlerite government.

[@theotherohlourdespadua1131]

Ah yes the "Vergangenheitsbewältigung"...

[@inhop2443]

Young people started asking their parents about it. Most weren't all that happy with their responses.

[@12tanuha21]

@@inhop2443 The Protests of 1968

[@inhop2443]

@@12tanuha21 yep. They got *real* angry about ahit.

[@2ndavenuesw481]

Somehow it will get worse and worse until Germans no longer exist. Meanwhile Great Israel will continue to expand in wars of extermination. There's nothing paranoid about the notion of racial war. Look up Israel's Demographic Miracle by David Goldman.

[@JesseOaks-ef9xn]

Churchill's Iron Curtain speech was at Westminster College in Fulton, MO. There is a memorial and a statue of Churchill on the campus today.

[@tempejkl]

Disgusting genocidal maniac. Nepotist too.

[@timothyhouse1622]

The majority of Einsatzgruppe were formerly police in Germany and most got to go right back to work. THAT is the most disgusting thing in this failure. I would only hope their families knew how bloody their hands were.

[@gibraltersteamboatco888]

The Jaeger report shows the level of detail they employed in their record keeping down to men, women. children, location etc..

[@thilgu]

Majority? I doubt that. I think most died in the last days of the war

[@timothyhouse1622]

@@thilgu facts don't care what you think. The ranks of the Einsatzgruppe were drawn from Sicherheitsdienst (security services - cops), Gestapo (secret POLICE), Kriminalpolizei (Criminal police), ORPO (Order Police), and the Waffen SS. So 4 out of the 5 places they recruited were POLICE. Each battalion was headed by an SS Police CHIEF. That sounds like a lot of POLICE to me. Of over 10,000 members only 100 were ever charged with war crimes. And no, it wasn't because they were all dead at the end of the war. Next time, do research instead of going with what you "feel."

[@timothyhouse1622]

@@gibraltersteamboatco888 yep. And they only brought 100 to trial at the end of the war. Not even 1% of the 10k members throughout the war that did the most heinous war crimes in history. This sick humans volunteered and KNEW what they were doing. They weren't just following orders.

[@tavish4699]

@@thilgu majority yes the einsatzgruppen didnt work anymore after the germans were out of russia the police was part of the ss and ss men and police men were the large majority of perpetraters in the einsatzgruppen sometimes they would ask for some help from the army which didnt really have the time , the need or the men for such things but sometimes the army would stand guard whilst the ss did its thing are they also perpetraters for that? i dunno one thing is clear most soldiers didnt aprove of such things as this skyrocketet partisan numbers

[@ghost_in_the_system]

Anyone else noticing an audio glitch at 20:23?

[@kingericson490]

me too

[@blueboats]

Yes. it must be Comment bait

[@sam_uelson]

They’re just checking to see how many people watch to the end

[@crosseightyeight]

It's probably censoring to appease KZbin

[@regallag888]

I came to the comments early to see if anyone knew what it was.

[@TheShrike616]

Last few lines were properly chilling. As always.

[@Hrafnskald]

21:48 "In the 1960s, the next generation of Germans will begin to actively address the actions of their parents and grandparents" I would love to see more on this, as this piece of the puzzle is rarely discussed outside of Germany. Would the channel be willing to explore this in some future video? The process of how West Germany successfully rejected the false ideals of Nazism is a fascinating subject, and a useful one today, with extremism on the rise globally. Learning how to uproot this problem is vital.

[@736693]

Some camp specific & individual specific trials took place after the trial of Adolf Eichmann. Eichmann was extradited from Argentina by the Israelis before he was tried, convicted, sentenced, & executed in Israel for war crimes & crimes against humanity against Jews & non-Jews.

[@erics7992]

What is this 'extremism' that is on the rise? Be specific.

[@ssuchanek]

Indeed, the timespan of late 1960s to late 1970s was a quite interesting time in Germany, ranging from intense student's protests against the Vietnam War and the lack of thorough de-nazification in the 1940s and 1950s to brutal left-wing terror, including the "Munich Massacre" at the 1972 Olympic Games in Munich. Nevertheless, I'm not sure if all this would attract a sufficient amount of regular viewers outside of Germany on a KZbin channel. And I guess, even if it would, it would have to be compressed time-wise quite significantly, with a weekly episode covering as much a one month or even one year.

[@D3RITO]

I would also be interested in this. And, if the team doesn't feel this is a video they will make, I would very much appreciate some good sources covering the topic, for me to look up on my own.

[@Hrafnskald]

@@erics7992 The Holocaust was a largescale attempt to murder all people who were Jewish, or belong to ethnic groups the Nazis wrongly villified. In Post War Germany, this extremist idea of "your race justifies killing you" was uprooted. I would like to learn more about how that was done, specifically in the 1960s, which is often overlooked, because hatred directed at racial and religious minorities is on the rise globally. As for specifics, no, my point is not that this one example here is the issue, my point is that the world would benefit from learning how to combat this hatred in all cases and examples where it rears its head.

[@theNoogler88]

You should definitely add "Exorcising Hitler: The Occupation and Denazification of Germany" by Frederick Taylor to your source list, and anyone here interested should 100% read it. Fantastic, informative literature.

[@Jarod-vg9wq]

Thanks dude.❤

[@captiannemo1587]

My favorite note from mid 45 is from the British. They are not sure what to do with several hundred SS. Nor do they really want to do anything with them. So they find an island on a fast flowing river and dump all of the SS they have there for a week until they get a response from HQ on what to do.

[@FrowningCatt]

Thank you so much Spartacus and team

[@gurufabbes1]

On another note, a friend of mine's father (this friend is an older British gentleman) worked in some capacity for the British Occupation authorities in Denazification. And apparently he told me that his father was upset the rest of his life about how Denazification was too laxe or streamlined in the British zone, to the extent that he deeply regretted that many Nazis that could have been prosecuted fell through the cracks. Again, this is a long time ago, but my friend inherited and carries that resentment at how it was conducted to this day. (After watching this, I do plan on sending your episode to him)

[@RonJohn63]

0:25 You Denazify and *then* tame them to work for you.

[@justaladTaken]

Hey, nice PFP! Looks a little familiar, don’t know why

[@Og_Phrank]

20:23 "Outside 🍃🖱🍃🖱🖱🍃" 🗣🗣🗣🔥🔥🔥🔥

[@hamish5214]

Hahahahaha

[@WorldWarTwo]

An editing error! We are working on a fix.

[@Zacharoni4085]

Looks like they muted the recording Spartacus and put the sound of the computer monitor instead

[@petasoscoins9525]

The first large demonstrations in the newly established German Republic (West Germany) in 1951 were against the last allied death sentances for the leaders of Sondereinsatzkommandos (Holocaust with machine gun). All political parties (except the communist) were pleading for mercy. And this was also the reason why West Germany - an exception in the West - did not have a death sentence from the beginning. They desperately had tried to rescue people who were the worst mass murderers of the 2WW...

[@Bozzzo235]

Source?

[@stevenwhite7763]

How do you separate the "I had to join to get a job" from the "Hitler is god" Nazis?

[@JoDon2]

Read the answers they wrote in the forms they filled out. Alot of the questions required essay length answers

[@bobshea6523]

Why separate them?

[@baneofbanes]

@@bobshea6523because if you didn’t you wouldn’t be able to run Germany.

[@js1423]

@@bobshea6523Becuase you need people to operate a country. And there is a difference between just doing your job and being an ideologue for a genocidal ideology. Nazism was intertwined with every legitimate public and private sector in Germany, so good job finding a job outside that framework during 30s and 40s.

[@stevekaczynski3793]

Questionnaires - _Fragebogen_ - had to be completed. Ernst von Salomon, who had been involved with at least one Freikorps murder in the 1920s, namely that of Walter Rathenau, published his sarcastic replies to the post-war questionnaire he had to fill in.

[@davemehelas5053]

Sparty’s WAH episodes are essential part of the channel

[@mindbomb9341]

Thank you Spartacus! As I have mentioned here a few times, with your presentation skills, you could read the back of a cereal box to me and have me riveted! Excellent!!!!!!!! THANK YOU AGAIN!

[@AnthonyWhite-pd7rb]

Wow, that last passage is a proper gut-punch to those who observe politics across Europe in 2024. A marvellous series, thank you so much to Sparty, Indy, Astrid, Anna, and all the team. Can't believe it's nearly over.

[@spartacus-olsson]

❤

[@AutismIsUnstoppable]

I agree but probably for different reasons. Dehumanising people is not good regardless of who it is directed at.

[@spartacus-olsson]

@@AutismIsUnstoppable oh, so I dehumanized people? I called extremism a disease on society… 1. How is that dehumanizing? 2. Do you disagree with that assessment?

[@spartacus-olsson]

@@AutismIsUnstoppable are you going to answer the questions?

[@erics7992]

Spare me. Anyone who thinks that anything like the NSDAP exists in Europe in 2024 knows nothing about either contemporary politics or about the history of the 20th century.

[@timburr4453]

Very well done and well researched. Thanks for all the good work you do. Fascinating

[@lukeyboy1589]

It's always hard looking at this subject. What was all the bloodshed really for whenever you go to the store to get weed killer and find its made by the same company that distributed Zyklon-B to the Nazis?

[@Jarod-vg9wq]

It’s been a Horror 😱 & an Honour to watch this channel with you Spartacus, thank you for everything ❤ Never Forget.

[@leonmat26]

The idea of "what to do when a regime is toppled" is a tough topic. I know people disagree with not properly punishing Nazis. But regardless of the choice to punish or not, the first, and most important step to justice is documentation. The truth, especially first person accounts, need to be documented. Records need to be made. And the questionnaire and the tribunals, while weak on punishment, served to document that truth. How many people were Nazis, what crimes they committed, what did they believe in, how early had they bought into the ideology. Without that documentation excuses and false narratives to try and exonerate or justify Nazi's actions would've been much stronger. And in turn it also inspired people who suffered under other regimes to save the records to refute future revisionist history. Like Argentina's Nunca Mas and Brazil's Nunca Mais. Personally I think that is what is at the heart of this series. Proper and thorough documentation allows the world to Never Forget.

[@brucetucker4847]

From a practical standpoint, you can't put 50 million people in prison.

[@michaelimbesi2314]

The Soviets didn’t just move on and stop the process. They began actively reversing it. For example, the East German army actively and deliberately co-opted the uniform style of the German army during the war years, because the Soviets wanted to portray their East Germany as the “true” successor to Germany. The West Germans adopted a more American-style uniform to symbolize a break with that past.

[@deshaun9473]

What are you talking about? In the Soviet occupation zone, denazification was INTENSE. Ex Nazis and their collaborators were sent to prison, were forcibly transported to labour camps, and where necessary, tried and executed. Thousands more were sent to forced "re-education" camps. Any resistance to the Soviet occupation was immediately labelled a "fascist uprising" and crushed with overwhelming force. The Soviets were a lot of things, but being soft on fascists and ex Nazis was not one of them.

[@theotherohlourdespadua1131]

Not to mention that three of the most anti-Prussian states are a part of West Germany (Bavaria, Baden, and Wurttemberg) and Konrad Adenauer (famously anti-Prussian) is a Bavarian...

[@xxvxxv5588]

Communists defined fascism (German "national socialism" was seen as fascism) as a form of reactionary capitalism. For them the main issue was creation of socialist economics which was seen as incompatible with fascism. All other things which related to uniforms, symbols and aesthetic were seen as secondary since traditional marxists pushed class and economics issue first. That's also a reason why in Eastern Germany people didn't talk about guilt of all Germans. Traditional marxists just rejected idea about unified national consciousness which unite people from all classes.

[@stevekaczynski3793]

Initially, Bundeswehr uniforms were not only as far removed as possible from traditional German patterns, but deliberately rather ugly, perhaps as an anti-military thing. Later their appearance was improved and insignia somewhat like traditional German patterns, for example, NCO braid on shoulder straps, was brought back.

[@harrym740]

These weekly videos were better then all the documentaries i have watched together times two. Thanks to you all timeghost team, you made history.

[@jseipp]

Spartacus, you and your family truly give me hope for the future and have taught me so much. I thank you from the bottom of my heart.

[@pietro2546]

Just to know, is it remotely possible that a cd version or a downloadable version will ever see light? Thanks for these years of hard work!

[@WorldWarTwo]

Thanks for your interest! But right not it's not in our plans to have a physical version of the series.

[@snickle1980]

Im ready for the cold war show. Running it week by week would be a trail of tears. A long march through the late 40s and on into the 50s, the 60s, 70s, 80s, up through roughly 1991 or thereabouts. 45 years. They would air approximately 2,340 shows + all of these "where are they now?" Episodes. I'm ready when you are. 🤨

[@salty4496]

A comment to show my support for the channel, and feed the YT algorithm

[@WorldWarTwo]

Thank you very much Salty.

[@TheHouseAlwaysWins20]

Post WW2 joke: "Whats the difference between Austrians and Germans? "The Germans were Nazis the Austrians still are" edit: lol

[@alannolan5126]

ALL EU R NA*I 2024 there fighting the same WAR 69 years later

[@pinker4922]

Both still are, bad joke

[@Paladin1873]

A good friend of mine in the Air Force spent seven years stationed in West Germany during the Cold War. Around 1979 he remarked to me that the old timers were still talking about how they could have won the war. He shrugged and said, "Want to find a Nazi, scratch a German's back." He may have been referring to the WWII generation, but what's old appears to be new again as tensions rise across Europe due to Russian aggression in Ukraine and the influx of unassimilated Africans and Turks. It's going to be a bumpy ride.

[@tavish4699]

@@pinker4922 how are we nazis when we let the whole world come here and get a passport easily?

[@tavish4699]

@@Paladin1873 i mean they could have won the war, germanyy was a powerhouse, in a different universe under different circumstances and events like the desaster of stalingrad they might have won

[@DollarGeneral_Is_a_Plague]

This has been such a great channel. You guys do a great job writing these videos.

[@DouglaszillaAweome]

Interesting, will there be also a Post World War 'War Against Humanity' after these series such as the 'Tokyo Trials' and 'Japanese POWS' as well as 'Massacres of Japanese in Manchuria' which would also tell the untold events/stories of the Chinese Civil War (If that series also comes out) and starting the Cold War (Like the Korean War) as well the other countries which their own wars of independence such as war of Indochina (now Vietnam) which also fill gaps of events that transpired since it was rarely heard of or not much was known about it?

[@spartacus-olsson]

Yes

[@bomschhofmann1644]

​@@spartacus-olsson Thanks, you are amazing! Please -if you have the resources- also spread more information about how Nazism developed/changed through the occupation zone period in Germany and how Fascism survived in Italy! You all are amazing!

[@paulbrasile8654]

Incredible work Spartacus thanks 👍

[@toddgillison7210]

Thanks for your hard work everyone!! It’s been a great ride!! Thanks for taking us along!! Have a great weekend everyone!!😎🍻

[@WorldWarTwo]

Thank you, hopefully see you Monday for our livestream!

[@richardbourke9412]

Herbert Hoover wasn't just a leader of post-war humanitarian action, he had set up the Commission for Relief in Belgium during WW1. The organisations he headed saved millions from starvation during and after WW1.

[@zk1919]

The best comment and illustration how Germany is hiding and/or denying responsibility for WWII is what One of German Embassies wrote on September 1st - 85th anniversary of WWII - German invasion of Poland: "Today marks #AntiWarDay, a reminder of the devastating consequences of conflict. Over 250 wars have been fought since WWII, with millions of lives list. Let's honor the victims by advocating for peace and dialogue." So Germany was not the aggressor state accountable for genocide and war crimes and we should not ask who killed those millions of victims and pay attention to other wars not caused by German state . Sweet😂

[@CrimsonTemplar2]

Excellent work Sparty & team.

[@WorldWarTwo]

Thank you and excellent support crimsontemplar2 ;) -TimeGhost Ambassador

[@ravenfeeder1892]

Thank you Spartacus. War Against Humanity has been an excellent telling of that which must be told.

[@mikemathias1562]

In eastern germany many changed from communist to now neonazis.

[@residentgeardo]

I actually read somewhere the reason for east germany having a higher amount of right wing voters traces back to the fact that they switched from on totalitarian regime to another. And one that by definition stated that there are only communistis living there. That way a "healthy" underground was growing beneath the carpet.

[@obsidianjane4413]

Its hard to imagine how they managed even what they did under Fragebogen, with nothing but paper. No databases, not even tabulating machines. My DBA mind boggles. @21:45 This shows that "denazification" actually succeed. Not that individuals with guilt on their hands were all successfully filtered out in, but that the German culture was successfully "reengineered" that such ideology was rejected by succeeding generations. Its like in the US, you could never change the hateful heart of a white bigot, but with education and familiarity with others, following generations learn tolerance. If you want to end WOH with an uplifting note, I hope you consider that legacy of what they (even the Soviets) managed to do.

[@pinker4922]

Bullshit

[@Jarod-vg9wq]

Your right dude ❤

[@Sara3346]

@@pinker4922 Can you elaborate?

[@divarachelenvy]

Well said Sparty, I agree... Never Forget.

[@gurufabbes1]

To be honest, I would further commend you (sorry this is my 3rd comment on this video) on going through the nitty gritty of the Fragebogens, the differing practices across the occupation zones. I think a lot of people did grow up thinking the Nuremberg trials and other parts of denazification were successful, that those responsible were prosecuted or escaped. And indeed, that was the dominant narrative up until maybe the 90s, including in documentaries. It's at university where a lecturer first made the point that no, many, even most of those responsible were never prosecuted. And then later on, you start to realise that in Germany and elsewhere, we only started talking about this when most of those that continued their careers were all dead. The DDR in its speeches of the cold war, and leftist militant groups like the Bader-Mainhof gang, constantly excoriated the Western German government in its propaganda as being filled with ex-Nazis... but now in retrospect, that isn't completely wrong is it? It seems that not only were these ex-Nazis not prosecuted by omission, it was willful omission in favour of other priorities, even after the Holocaust started receiving greater attention in the 80s. Some for sure did continue to be prosecuted, no doubt, but those that were passively involved, or involved in the formulation rather than active violent participation, remained and continued their careers. That's what the failure was.

[@pillberry305]

AMAZINGLY WELL WRITEN YET AGAIN! I’m in awe

[@WorldWarTwo]

Thanks for watching.

[@hagbardceline5333]

I passed my Fragebogen

[@haeuptlingaberja4927]

Na, und was hast du damals allies getan?

[@NickRatnieks]

Herbert Hoover was involved with aid activities in Europe after WW1 as well as WW2. History has been less kind to him than it ought to be while FDR gets all the plaudits although 90 odd years on from his electoral victory over Hoover his record is now getting a proper critical re-examination..

[@stevekaczynski3793]

Hoover was most effective and most humanitarian when he was not President. His aid activities were before and after being President. As US President, he was a washout.

[@ekesandras1481]

Hoover saved probably several million people in Ukraine and Russia during the first starvation periode of the Soviet Union

[@RémiWarin]

The final shot of the intro with the nuke hits different now that it happened

[@lloydzufelt7514]

Fantastic show

[@danderson5084]

This probably needs a mini series of its own.

[@jakubcesarzdakos5442]

It's a shame there isn't even a Wikipedia article about the Fragebogen. A very interesting thing, thanks for covering that

[@patbrown911]

Great video! I fully recommend "Postwar", by Tony Judt, it´s a very good book despite the autor´s somewhat "bias" towards social-democracy.

[@gibraltersteamboatco888]

220.000 DRB employees were directly involved in the transport of "undesirables" to the camps, not a single one was implicated or charged. Post war Adenauer implemented 2 amnesties absolving almost 850,00. .

[@freetolook3727]

After the US took over iraq they declared that anyone who worked for the Iraqi government would not be able to anymore because they were deemed loyal to Saddam. I was talking to my buddy about this at the time as we both worked for the State of New York. I told him imagine some foreign power comes in and takes over and says that you can no longer work for the New York State government because you were a loyal follower. How would you feel?

[@stevekaczynski3793]

It was a huge error in hindsight. Quite a lot of Baathists joined the insurgency - after all, if you were denied the right to earn a living in a smashed Iraq, why not?

[@freetolook3727]

Exactly my point. When defeating nations you have to be benevolent otherwise you incure the rath of the populous. Well fed, employed citizens make for a happy nation.

[@stevekaczynski3793]

@@freetolook3727 I knew an Iraqi who escaped to Britain to avoid military service in the Iran-Iraq war. He told me that the Iraqi Baathist Party had a sort of two-tier membership. The great majority of members paid fairly small membership dues and had limited duties or party involvement. A minority gave a much greater commitment in time and money but also tended to have more privileges, access to scarce goods etc. It sounded a bit like the "Inner Party" versus "Outer Party" of Orwell's *1984*. Whether the Americans and Brits appreciated or comprehended such subtleties when they marched in in 2003, I don't know, but somehow I doubt it.

[@omgpix]

The US disbanding the Iraqi army was a forgone conclusions, in no particular order there's the fact they a.) spent the entirety of Saddam's reign waging genocidal campaigns against the Kurds & Shia who together represent something like 80%+ of Iraq's population. b.) were overwhelmingly dominated not just by sunnis -- already a minority -- but sunnis loyal to and affiliated with saddam's tribe and c.) unlike other most other militaries were an expressly political organization, especially at the top. There is simply no reality where the US invades Iraqi under the guise of bringing democracy while leaving a hated genocidal minority in power.

[@rawiri8]

22:21 What happened to the audio here?

[@WorldWarTwo]

An editing error, it will be fixed soon.

[@welcometonebalia]

Thank you.

[@simonburi3293]

This is shocking. I knew that many Nazis returned to their positions, but I wasn't aware of the scale. Thank you for telling the story. Let us never forget.

[@jank330]

Thanks!

[@WorldWarTwo]

Thank you very much for the superchat!

[@lmac7633]

There's a fly crawling down the middle of the shirt at 6:13

[@jonahtwhale1779]

An uncredited fly?

[@tomschmidt381]

The problems of early post war world fascinate me. As a baby boomer VE and VJ day meant the war was over and I have little understanding of what happened shortly thereafter until the early 1960s in high school.

[@iamnolegend2519]

Thank you again.

[@ΙωάννηςΚήτος]

We shouldn't forget this fellow however en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reinhard_Gehlen whom the Americans took into their employment in 1946, despite the fact that he was rather mediocre in his job during the nazi regime. I wonder why they chose to employ him...

[@stevekaczynski3793]

He probably talked a good game, and he claimed to know a lot about the USSR. Which would make him a person of interest by c.1946...

[@timburr4453]

was he mediocre at his job? Hitler fired him because his reports were accurate and thus not the good news he wanted to hear

[@amadeosendiulo2137]

17:35 I can't be a Nazi, I have a priest, a comminist and a Jew as friends!

[@danielwillens5876]

I will never be able to look at a bottle of Persil again without thinking....

[@CARL_093]

thanks Spartacus and crew

[@WorldWarTwo]

Thank you for watching.

[@Swampfox612]

You can beat the hell of the enemy. Changing the culture that drove it to war takes generations, and I would bet still seethes under the surface in the hearts of many Germans.

[@MemphisKennedy-xy5ye]

The Germans were lied on.

[@Astragoth2]

I'm a subscriber on ths channel since 2018. This is probably my most viewed youtube channel. Quality content, every week, without exception, for SIX years straight. Did you subscribe already?

[@mikemooney4035]

Thank you for this summary. I've wondered what happened with the transition of post fascist Germany to something different.

[@NigelDeForrest-Pearce-cv6ek]

Brilliant!!!!

[@shawnr771]

Thank you for all the lessons over the past several years. NEVER FORGET.

[@janmikes6102]

As much as I admire your work, the implication in the end that links today's rise of AfD with the lack of denazification in East Germany seems a bit far fetched. Do you really think it is so simple?

[@spartacus-olsson]

Ideological surges are complex and rarely attributable to one cause only. The lack of of education and experience with democracy certainly plays a role,as does an unwillingness for decades to address authoritarianism as a problem. The practical reasons for a far right resurgence in Eastern Germany has its roots in the 1990s. Back then a number of extreme right groups emerged in the vacuum left by the authoritarian left regime. The Verfassungsschutz (the constitutional protection agency, part of the federal police) first didn’t go after them out of respect for the precarious new re-union. When theses cells started showing signs of preparing tangible, violent anti constitutional activity, the V men bungled it really badly (some undercover agents were caught joining the neo-Nazis instead of collecting information for prosecution, and others were acting without the prerequisite court orders). The result was that for years, a diffuse network of neo-Nazi cells grew unchecked, and in one case carried out a long string of race motivated murders, and bank robberies. Because of the messed up investigation, the dots were only connected after many years, and only a few of the perpetrators were caught with prosecutable evidence. While the underlying political organizations were banned, and the skinhead type first generation East German Neo-Nazis were neutralized politically, they remained free to continue their activities in the underground. So it looked like the problem had receded for a while, but what we see now is that they were busy bringing up a new generation - a far more polished, better integrated, and politically house broken generation. It’s this new extreme right generation that is the base of AfD and other emerging neo-Fascist and neo-Nazi movements in the East.

[@spartacus-olsson]

And to be clear - denazification failed both in the West and the East. The difference was that in the West, the next generations, able to freely express their opinions, and with freedom to access uncensored knowledge, rose up in opposition to authoritarianism, and the idea of not taking responsibility for the country’s Nazi past. In the East no such movement was possible, and the official doctrinal answer to Germany’s Nazi past was that it had been solved in the GDR by adapting communism, ‘problem solved, end of story.’

[@stevekaczynski3793]

@@spartacus-olsson You are referring to the NSU. I visited a former shop in Dortmund (NOT in former East Germany) where one of the NSU victims, a Turk, was murdered. The police told his family that it was probably score-settling among Turkish organised crime figures, implying that he and other victims were part of that milieu. The suspicion remains that elements in the German state were deliberately trying to cover up the Nazi motivations behind the killings.

[@Markusctfldl]

They openly admit they are a partisan channel.

[@spartacus-olsson]

@@Markusctfldl actually… yes, we’re partisan on the side of humanity, liberty, tolerance and democracy. We oppose authoritarianism and intolerance. As such there are political parties we condone, and those that we reject. In the case of Germany it’s fairly simple: we’re supportive of CDU/CSU, FW, FDP, SPD and die Grüne - we condemn AfD, BSW, and Die Linke. In other words we are supportive of both conservative, liberal, and progressive parties that are democratic and human rights oriented, and we reject parties both on the left and the right that are anti-democratic and intolerant.

[@kingericson490]

At 20:23 is the sound messed up?

[@arthurhayward122]

4 advertisements in the first 11 minutes of the video, TikTok appreciates your efforts on their behalf KZbin.

[@AutismIsUnstoppable]

I'm supprised you didn't mention Herbert Marcuse and his involvement in the US denazification program.

[@GManmcaoidh]

18:23 Is that a burnt out Sd.Kfz. 251/21 the kids are playing with? A late war modification of the Sd.Kfz. 251 halftrack, equipped with a triple-barrelled 15 mm turret.

[@janitorizamped]

18:22 ?

[@GManmcaoidh]

@@janitorizamped Thank You! I've corrected it now.

[@johnt.4947]

This is when real bureaucracy began.

[@empathicspade8637]

Herbert Hoover in WW2 video

[@rx7carl]

Thank you for continuing to tell the world about this story. It's as important as it ever was

[@WorldWarTwo]

Thank you for the lovely comment. Never Forget.

[@davidcarr7436]

What happened to the audio at 20:24 - 20:26?

[@WorldWarTwo]

We had an editing error that was noticed a bit too late, we are working on a fix.

[@davidcarr7436]

@@WorldWarTwo and I was going to start speculating on the possibility of some kind of insidious conspiracy. Thank you for your response and clarification.

[@alexy590]

As the war comes to an end I feel there should have been more coverage of soviet crimes in this final year of the war. I'm wondering for how much longer will the war against humanity series keep going? Until 1946?

[@mgway4661]

Surveys are so important 😐

[@mikespangler98]

Tough problem. You want to de-nazify, but you also have a wrecked country to repair. But for 10 years anyone doing anything managerial or technical was required to be in the Nazi Party. So you have choose between ideological purity (or the lack of it) and pragmatism while keeping in mind that wrecking Germany completely with the treaty of Versailles is what brought on the second war.

[@stevekaczynski3793]

The Cold War was an additional wrinkle. Ex-Nazis, and not necessarily "Ex" ones, tended to be seen as reliably anti-Communist in the Western zones, which was considered very much a point in their favour. A British detention centre at Bad Nenndorf attracted controversy over prison mistreatment and abuse. Whereas initially detainees were suspected Nazis, as time wore on suspected Communists or Soviet agents tended to wind up there.

[@WhiteCamry]

Uniform trivia: who can ID that US sergeant's shoulder patch @ 9:00 ?

[@stevekaczynski3793]

Difficult, as the film is not very clear. It does not look like any patch I recognise.

[@TomZanovich]

You mean the United States Constabulary insignia?

[@Melior_Traiano]

@@TomZanovich Nicely done.

[@Einheit091]

What is the weird noise at 20:25?

[@TheEvertw]

While certainly not perfect, and a LOT of evil people escaped their judgement by men, at least the denazification produced better results than similar attempts, like the treaty of Versailles and the period after the US civil war. But, considering how attempts to do something similar in Afghanistan went, we seem to have forgotten some of its lessons.

[@jliller]

The question of how to conduct effective Denazification is incredibly important, and not just when dealing with literal fascists. What does France look like if the French Revolution Debournized the country? Even after Napoleon and multiple post-Napoleon revolutions, all the way up until at least Vichy France there was a not insignificant minority of Frenchmen who still wanted the country to have yet another king named Louis. What does the USA look like if you successfully Deconfederatize the South in 1865? Is Putin in charge of Russia today if Russia is effectively Desovietized in the 1990s? If a coup toppled the radical Islamist government of Iran tomorrow how could the country be effectively "Deayatollahized"? The question of how to purge an ideology while keeping a functional nation and without committing mass executions is an incredibly difficult one to answer. I don't think anyone has ever come up with an effective answer.

[@Jay-ho9io]

I cannot answer for other countries. Or the very least I'm not interested in doing so. But to answer your question about the USA... Better. We'd have looked better.

[@CanadisX]

Watching this episode and the elections results in East Germany at the same time are extremely chilling

[@Paladin1873]

I'd like to learn more about the anti-Nazi industrialist who saved all the Nazi party member names. There's got to be a good story in this.

[@gurufabbes1]

Great job. Denazification was going to be difficult task from the beginning, and in a sense, it still is. Nazism was more than just the ideology of the leadership, it became the dominant philosophy of state, and as the state became totalitarian, it extended across all spheres of life, media, art.... You have essentially 12 formative years of this ideology that dominated everything, touched every citizen's life in a way, and that's not even discussing those that became party members. Then worse, it was involved in a massive war that killed 2 million of the country's citizens. Millions of other veterans are now back in society, what do you do with them? What about all the talent that will be the motor of post-war Germany's art, academia and finance? Can you dissect everything national socialist from a country that was a Nazi totalitarian state without causing damage to its reconstruction prospects?

[@naveenraj2008eee]

Hi Sparty Though war is over still sad to see many nazi perpetrators escaped from punishment. Never forget

[@pnutz_2]

22:40 Regarding extremism, I've heard of those down with the wrong sickness abusing the Special Responsibility to otherise groups that migrated after the war, since those groups don't have the direct family connections to the War Against Humanity that "real" Germans do...

[@rainkloud]

What is that dot emanating from Sparty's head that goes towards Svalbard at 8:13 Is this an Easter Egg? Did I win something for spotting it or do I need to book a flight there for the next puzzle?

[@sithtrooper1948]

Real answer: It’s a probably a dust particle. Funny answer: ITS THE GHOST OF STEINER!!!

[@thomask.9850]

Western Germany (~72m people) is for about 2-3 generations among the least nationalistic places in Europe. Young german people there effectively broke with the older conservatives and nationalism during the 60s to 2000s. Eastern german people (~12.5m) do to some larger extend still play around with some blurry and 'nostalgic' ideas of national grandiosity and a tendency for distrust in democracy and sympathy for authoritarianism. One thing of note is also the sort of xenophobia that is playing out right now in Germany and in Europe as a whole. It appears not to be directed against races or nationalities for the most part rather than a distrust, fear and sometimes even hatred towards people with muslim background. The unfortunate war started by the US, UK etc. in Iraq and following events playing a major part in that. This is the elephant in the room, that ruined the conservatives in the US and UK and also paved the way for right-extremist parties in Germany and in Europe. Though if the situation in Germany was anywhere close to the rise of the right-wing parties elsewhere, like in Hungary, Austria, Poland, Czech Republic, Italy, France, Slovakia, Croatia, Sweden and Finland, because of Germanies part in 2 world wars we would have a much different discussion and much different headlines now.