Is Goku VS Saitama Close?

[@ToasterXD]

One thing I’d like to mention, I read the manga in a fan colored which is why made the assumption that Garou drew blood out of Saitama. Saitama has yet to draw blood however has shown to be visibly affected by attacks. Another thing I’d like to mention is that me saying “give cell saga Goku a light warm up” is a bit of a stretch, I was being sarcastic. Realistically Saitama is losing to Buu Saga Goku and above.

[@CozmikPerm218]

4 questions 1: do you watch Tylearn? He made a Goku vs Saitama video which this video is similar to 2: isn't hit stopping time only on people he wants to freeze? 3: did zamasu get stronger when he merged with the multiverse? 4: is Goku bound by time?

[@StrikeKzz]

Not just buuhan but super buu screamed through the hyperbolic time chamber which is a different diminsion

[@CozmikPerm218]

@@Anissemble_ the reason I ask is because people have said that Merged zamasu is on Beerus's level

[@kewpiesensei]

@@CozmikPerm218 hes not beerus could just hakai him

[@CozmikPerm218]

@@kewpiesensei alright

[@saiyamanspeaks]

Crazy how the most disgusting, atrocious Goku lowball still annihilates Saitama 💀

[@Vulcan-c3i]

FR💀

[@hovahbajon6361]

How would goku deal with saitama reverse causality punch

[@argy7526]

@@hovahbajon6361 maybe dodge i mean he has crossed infinite distance

[@saiyamanspeaks]

@@argy7526 dodge. Goku has immeasurable speed, saitama would be so slow he would appear frozen in space to Goku

[@B3an01]

@@hovahbajon6361 btw hit is said by vados to have transcended time and jiren claps him and MUI goku with the timer claps the jiren that would clap hit so MUI goku would transcend time aswell it could do something to it since the technique goes back in time and all but i am not sure what it would do

[@deltalord6969]

I was always one of those people who kept the opinion of "wait until he gets more feats" on the argument between Goku and saitama but man, the amount of times I kept seeing stans use the whole "he wins cause hes called one punch man" or "he wins cause he has infinite power" argument really tested my mental endurance. Now that we've seen more of saitama's full power in the manga I can confidently say Goku wins.

[@Mike60606]

Why would you think that the fight against Garou was anywhere close to Saitama's full power? Saitama was just getting warmed up when Garou folded.

[@tornadragon4047]

The funniest thing is the second I said that they used to say this argument people told me they never said that and I'm making it up that it's a strawman argument.

[@jh_dances2221]

@@Mike60606 saitama was at full power

[@Mike60606]

@@jh_dances2221 I don't think you understand what happened in the fight with Garou. Saitama was fighting at full power... then his full power began to increase exponentially with no upper limit.

[@khaledkhateb8665]

@Mike B you just destroyed your own argument, saitama was using full power like you said but he kept getting stronger, therefore he didn't have infinite strength he had infinite potential so he can lose ,if he doesn't catch up to goku who can one shot him

[@MuslimWukong]

Lets all agree on one thing, Goku and Saitama would become really good Friends (Btw forgot to Mention GOKU SLAMS THAT FODDER🥱🥱🥱)

[@imkaiclips]

LOL, but true, saitama calm and with depression, goku always trying to find a challege, their personality will attract each other

[@DeadLog]

Trueeee. Saitama would finally get that fight he was looking for and might finally learn martial arts too

[@alphagelion8979]

Just wait 'til there is only a one food left

[@Amazed_YT]

Yep no doubt

[@peachesphillips1323]

YEEESSSSS SIR!😊🎉😅🎉😮

[@OneOnOne1162]

5:52 - I want to point out that some of the reasoning here is flawed. In order to dodge a beam which is moving at the speed of light you do NOT need to be able to move faster than the speed of light itself. Being able to dodge something means you need to be able to move the distance between the location where you'd get hit and a location where you won't be hit in the same time that it takes for the thing in question to move the distance from where it's fired to the place that it'll hit you. In other words, if the distance you have to move to dodge it is lower than the distance that the thing has to move to get to you, you can dodge it while still moving slower than it. So being able to dodge a laser does not necessarily mean you have to move faster than light, though obviously you still have to be very, very fast.

[@jackdaquick6436]

Reaction speed

[@YourTypicalAirConditioning]

How is he dodging a laser if he doesn't see it coming? So in that sense not only did he notice it, he also moved away faster than it so it doesnt strike him Silly

[@GargoyleHunter]

you see the laser at the same time it hits you. He dodges the laser as it hits him.

[@okashkhan7075]

if speed of light can move around the earth 6 times or something like that in a second then why doesnt luffy go across the earth to find the one piece?

[@GargoyleHunter]

combat speed is not equal to actual speed, plus the one piece world is immensly larger than the earth@@okashkhan7075

[@radikat.]

Yes, saitama does grow exponentially in power as the fight progresses, but the difference between the two currently in terms of power is so unfathomably huge that i think goku might accidentally kill him at the start of the battle.

[@itsbeyxnd]

Well krillin should only be star to galaxy level maximum and he was able to spar with an obviously not trying what so ever blue goku. So goku would probably just play around with saitama. But I still don’t think he would reach that jump in power.

[@silentkiler678]

@@itsbeyxnd low universe

[@silentkiler678]

weakest z fighter is already enough for the opm verse 💀

[@silentkiler678]

the weakest z fighter is chiaotzu or yamcha ofc

[@andreitamban951]

@@silentkiler678 Common W

[@Dyvblow]

i love when people say "oh no saitama grows stronger as he fights oh there is no limit to his potential" when they are literally basic saiyan abilities

[@Neuvillete4.6]

while healing any damage makes the op

[@fdd4957]

I agree. Plus, the Bergamo fight from DBS proves that an exponentially increasing power won't win against Goku.

[@callisto1796]

Again now Ik ur a fan boy goku has limits he just breaks them unlike saitama he removed his learn the difference

[@yesthatweirdguy]

@@callisto1796 still cant defeat goku 😔

[@callisto1796]

@@yesthatweirdguy he can actually

[@andybrummel5555]

Now I think, the way Goku holds back his power and gradually ramps it up, based on his opponents ability and strength, would be a perfect way for Sitama to grow in power.

[@Keezye]

What if he goes full power from the start lol😂

[@andybrummel5555]

@@Keezye splat..

[@SayaaNara]

@@Keezye oof...

[@KowoishiKowomeiji]

​@@Keezye that would be a real shame (for saitama)

[@beef3442]

That would be out of character for Goku. He didn’t even go full power against Beerus when they started their fight even though Goku knew that Beerus would destroy the earth. He’s also the same person who gave his enemy a sensu bean so his son could fight them.

[@nellyomega8866]

I'm sure in the anime Piccalo stated his SBC was light speed and Raditz dodged it, Barter from the Ginyu also said he was light speed and Goku blitzed him if memory serves me right. Even if you don't believe in power scaling calculations, lore wise it makes no sense for them to be reaching light speed in the tournament of power. I once debated a guy who kept saying Dyspo was the first light speed character in Dragonball and everyone before him where just hypersonic

[@jourdansarpy4935]

Bro what??? Hit literally travels through time and Goku was reacting to it. We’ve also seen characters react to INSTANT TRANSMISSION which is faster than light travel by default. People really love to hate on DB without ever using their brain.

[@HandjobHandsome]

the anime is super slowed so you can actually see the fights, its literally shown at the start of dbz that gohan couldn't see anybody fighting until he focused his ki, all the z fighters are light speed at the end of og dragon ball

[@chukyuniqul]

@@jourdansarpy4935 you ever considered that the time stop plain doesn't work when the power difference is THAT big? Like in real life, I can be the best boxer in the world, able to throw blows that will lay out even the meanest people, if I go and fight, say, a gorilla (who don't even have specific impact-dampeners) and throw that same punch, I'll just hurt my fist. Second, gotta admit idk what you mean by "react to IT", if you mean it got interrupted then no comment, but if it's just something like blocking an attack coming outta IT then that's not reacting to the move, but to the attack itself which is clearly not FTL. Third, and this is moreso aimed at OP, a lotta scaling is using statements taken at face value. Like, I could tell someone that imma divorce their jaw from their skull if they wanna throw down, and while I may savage their ass, literally ripping their jaw out, especially with a punch like the threat implies, is a whole different beast. And that's not even getting into homies hyping their bro up. I don't really hate on DB. I love the series. But the fans who never even consider that their "calculations" are biased, lopsided, and potentially highly subjective and yet act belligerent are the absolute worst.

[@jourdansarpy4935]

@@chukyuniqul you’re comparing this to real life. Just stop. It’s a fucking make believe cartoon.

[@yeahboi_xx9494]

People like downplaying db so bad like kid Goku was dodging laser and lightning before he was even 13💀

[@user-ds5fb8kx1o]

For those saying “Saitama can catch up to Goku as the fight goes on.” That only applies to an opponent that starts off equal to Saitama like Garou was. Goku is far above him, there is no power climb lol he just gets slapped severely.

[@The_Andromeda_Galaxy]

Goku also gains power at a faster rate than saitama does. Just look at what happened in the tournament of power. He went from his best forms not doing anything to jiren to being able to at least fight with him in a lower form.

[@jesusisbetter829]

@@The_Andromeda_Galaxy Yes, I mean ive read opm manga and dbs/z/ db manga and these one punch man fans be like " siatama broke his limit now he is limitless" when not only goku, but most anime protagonist has done so. Just because he traveled back in time, doesn't mean he has infinite speed he had help from Garou (cosmic).

[@dylantanjiajunmontfortss2429]

it can apply to people stronger than saitama too. Its like how garou was thrashed by saitama and continued to grow stronger and stronger. There is no reason why saitama cant do it too. but yes i agree, Goku is many times stronger than saitama FOR NOW.

[@jadonrahman]

No he could catch up. You forget that goku fights in super by starting off at a close level with his opponent.

[@jadonrahman]

@@The_Andromeda_Galaxy That’s not true. Garou has better growth than goku lol. With calcs he gets millions of times stronger in a few days without the help of god. He goes from literally being building level to sage centipede level, and actually far above that even before getting powers from god that amplifies his abilities and power further which should logically include his rate of growth which was already ridiculous. Saitama then makes garous growth look like a joke.

[@BradSav]

Thank god someone with brains actually shows why goku wins I’ve had enough with saitama fans just saying saitama wins despite goku outscaling saitama so many times Even people like classicman d think saitama wins and seeing videos like this makes me glad people know how feats work

[@hovahbajon6361]

How would goku deal with saitama reverse causality punch

[@BradSav]

@@hovahbajon6361 very easily Cause saitama wouldn’t even be able to land a single hit

[@matthewadams1674]

@@hovahbajon6361 I mean why would Saitama even use it? And if we make Saitama bloodlusted, then Goku blitzes and one-shots, or just straight up hakais Saitama.

[@guysarehere]

@@matthewadams1674 that move is a move Goku did once but if you ask me Saitama is extreme diff early cell saga goku

[@booty.worrior]

@@hovahbajon6361 he literaly went over that in the video

[@KarateBoi1273]

BEST VIDEO ON THIS TOPIC I’VE EVER LAID MY EYES ON

[@TomatoSauce2010]

Yes

[@luigitimegaming8495]

It is stated that Saitama beat Garou with zero punches after going back in time. Garou got punched before Saitama punched him. just wanted to say this

[@GargoyleHunter]

If you use a time machine to punch your grandad in the morning, then punch him in the evening, are you immeasurably powerful and of infinite speed? no. Thats not how time works. If you punched so fast it LANDED before you threw it, sure, but saitama physically time travelled. He did not throw a punch so fast that it time travelled.@@luigitimegaming8495

[@Waffles-p8p]

@@luigitimegaming8495 Yeah, but he needed Cosmic Gauro's regret and power to do that

[@luigitimegaming8495]

@@Waffles-p8p but this shows he can learn things instantly by just seeing them and he can adapt to any fight. And his growth is infinite and exponential so by fighting Goku he would grow stronger than him. After fighting Garou his sneeze could destroy almost half of Jupiter. And it's not like Goku is going to go all out from the beginning, so they will fight for a little and Saitama will grow stronger. During the Garou fight Garou was stronger than Saitama, so even if you say that Goku is stronger than Saitama then he would grow stronger like in the Garou fight. And Garou is very powerful, he was able to kill everyone on Earth and the only people left alive were Saitama and Blast's crew. And Garou could do a gamma ray burst, which happens when neutron stars merge and it releases as much energy as our sun will do in its entire lifetime (10 billion years). And Garou had the power of God too. So Saitama was able to beat Garou which he's been shown to be very strong, and could beat Goku too.

[@itsyaboimalcolm4324]

I agree with most things you say here except the fact that saitama took damage. In the next chapter after garou hit him it shows he is perfectly fine without even a scratch on him. and boros did not do damage as showed in the manga aswell. You did everything else right in the video this was just a tiny mistake.

[@ToasterXD]

Yeah I addressed that in the pinned comment, it was a mistake on my end so I apologize

[@itsyaboimalcolm4324]

@@ToasterXD no problem I still subbed because it was mostly factual :)

[@edge1247]

​@ToasterXD You can't be making these mistakes with Goky Fans it's set in stone now for most of these fanatics 🤦‍♂️

[@aspect2808]

I mean he bleeding In the manga

[@jeremysprimestudio4756]

​@@aspect2808saitama didnt bleed

[@rizzler_certified]

I think the existence of Saitama is not to be the mc but to be the driving force for everyone else to fight. I never even saw a glimpse of Saitama's childhood yet we see more character development of other characters in the Anime and Manga. One of the examples being Garou and his determination to destroy the heroes.

[@emptyhand9488]

i also believe that saitama isnt called one punch man cause he one shots everyone , but that he is power is canonically supposed to become strong enough to defeat any opponent in one punch.

[@tabahigamersuperlol]

@@tabbender2668 bruh

[@x_joel308]

No. He literally is the mc 💀 MC doesn't necessarily have to have a lot of screentime, but the story literally revolves around him

[@1BuFo]

@@gigabeta1182 The story would become instantly boring if they focused on Saitama. He has no challenges, his character is just not MC material, he's more of a background character in his own show.

[@friskpasta6486]

You can't shake nothing the world of void is a space that exists out side of time and space it's infinite nothing you moron you can shake nothing shaking nothing isn't a feat Jiren was shaking the stadium stupid get it right am I the only one with knowledge

[@budp2589]

Its funny how theres a guy who still disagrees and is just replying to everyone basically saying he does

[@hovahbajon6361]

How would goku deal with saitama reverse causality punch?

[@AJotasticGamer]

@@hovahbajon6361 Saitama can't cause he's already dead

[@MrCraftyScales]

@@hovahbajon6361 he just dodges it? its really easy

[@Dandaigaa]

@@hovahbajon6361 is it even gonna do damage?

[@myxy4777]

@@hovahbajon6361 weave, bop bop

[@HocyPocy]

But in reality, no one knows how strong Saitama or Gokus full potential is, if they met they would prolly just be friends, and in a fight whoever the writer wants to win will win. I dont understand the heat in this wierd ass debate.

[@NikhilKumar-ht9xw]

Man they milking Saitama sneeze feat so much but forget when: 1)Buu ripped the universe/dimensions apart just with a scream 2) gotenks opening a portal with scream 3)king Vegeta casually destroying plantes with one ki blast in saiyan saga 4)piccolo destroying moon in early DBZ saga 5)cell about to destroy a solar system just with kamehameha Edit:king Vegeta destroyed multiple planets with just a hand wave Tbh it will be impressive if Saitama could reach at buu level only & could maybe defeat him

[@WThroat]

The dudes possibly not even Cell level since Namek explosion created an explosion throughout the galaxy lol.

[@paco2869]

King vegeta didn't launch a ki blast he legit waved and they got bombed

[@Thebetterofred]

Kong vegeta was a hand wave not an ki attack

[@matthewadams1674]

Hey, don't forget when Namek Saga Frieza literally bodied multiple planet busting namekians with a single breath in his first form.

[@slavicoreo90]

In original dragon ball during the first world tournament, master roshi destroys the moon so even some of the weakest characters in og db are able to destroy moons

[@valawilde3927]

This is literally a moment of: ""My dad would beat your dad in a fight"", when in reality, those dads would be best friends when they meet

[@mayonnaise3959]

Saitama would hate goku

[@whetstonee]

the worst reply to a versus debate

[@blonsnolongeruploadsbtd6]

@@mayonnaise3959 opm meatriders who can’t take a joke:

[@mayonnaise3959]

@@blonsnolongeruploadsbtd6 how the fuck am I a one punch man meatrider. I just said they wouldn’t be friends at all

[@wasifchowdhury2004]

@@mayonnaise3959 Why tho? One of them loves to fight while the other one is desperately looking for someone stronger than him

[@dillpickle7400]

You absolutely NAILED it on the Hyperspace arguments! I’ve literally ALWAYS said how it’s an INTANGIBLE feat being CONSISTENT with him knocking through Pheonix Man’s spiritual space. I’ve been using the same argument and it was almost in the same exact wording it’s actually scary lol. Good Job! 👍

[@4nnd711]

Yes a timespace is intangiable because time is a higher construct that contains the physical universe/space, matter and it shouldnt normally be possible to interact with it, but that doesnt disprove anything. How would you explain Garou and Saitama overwhelming Blast's hyperspace gates when he was trying to contain the energy of the serious punch squared. Portals are literally tears in space and time, Saitama and Garou had so much power that they were about to destroy blasts hyperspace gates. Phoenix space is literally another dimension/timespace + it existing on another plane of existence because its not physical and saitama just punched through it. Those are all physical strength feats. You have to be crazy to deny all his timespace feats. I understand goku has better feats for now, that you are tired of Saitama fans who cant scale saying that he can oneshot everyone, but If you honestly think saitama will only cap out multi solar system level, you should consider there existing higher scaling metas and deeper implications to the story. God is heavily implied to be a threat of universal to, even (possibly) multiversal proportions/Influence, as aliens, different species from other worlds and dimensions are teaming alongside blast to stop him. The exposition dumps murata gave us through Genos, after he analyzed his future core, implied that there's a whole multiverse out there. This God entity is implied to be the final opponent of saitama, that will ultimately be defeated by him, yet also give saitama the fight he has been seeking for this whole time.

[@4nnd711]

I like both series, but the hate the character gets because of the fanbase being toxic is crazy! I feel like a lot of people arent really taking time to understand saitama's character, hes actually beautifully written and the series itself was one of the things that got me back into watching anime.

[@dillpickle7400]

@@4nnd711 Intangibility is irrelevant from physical power. Ghosts are intangible it doesn’t make them higher dimensional. Just because something is non physical doesn’t make it higher dimensional. Ontop of that the feats don’t align with it their serious punch squared would have destroyed the universe.

[@4nnd711]

@@dillpickle7400Ghosts/Ethereal beings and Timespaces are 2 completely different things, thus interacting with both should be completely different. Timespace is a construct upon which the universe sits, being a system of 3 spatial dimensions and 1 temporal dimension (time), so it's not just composed of space, but time as well, saitama interacting and punching holes in something like that is completely different and should logically qualify for a 4D feat. Ghosts are supernatural beings that dont even exist in the opm verse, as far as we know, thus it would not be reasonable to assume saitama can interact with them, although i wouldnt doubt that he could do something like that in the future. Saitama should still have non-physical interaction due to the phoenix man's dimension feats, which was a mental/spiritual plane of existence, phoenix man also said that it was a seperate space-time. Punching through it would qualify for both non-physical interaction and 4D AP. A 3D being wouldnt be capable of Interacting with spacetime because it's a 4th dimensional construct, there are different types of non physical interaction, for example physically interacting with someones mind and physically interacting with ghosts. It was also Stated By Sitch that the only reason blast was able to battle with god was because he had the ability to manipulate spacetime, no other S class hero having the means to do such a thing, implying God is also Higher Dimensional.

[@dillpickle7400]

@@4nnd711 Cosmic garou can’t control time, having knowledgeable over the “forces” of the universe doesn’t apply to being above time neither do those “hyperspace” gates make someone 4D for touching them. They are only intangibly spiritual not higher dimensional. Even DB characters can affect these things. And once again their serious punch squared would have destroyed their universe if they were 4D.

[@NotArtorias]

A guy who grows infinitely fights a stronger guy who grows infinitely, who wins?

[@kalpeshbhoir7372]

the guy that doesn't need a senzu bean or ki from others? ye can't be this retarded?

[@Clumsykae]

Also the goku getting hurt by a rock and shot by a laser is because Goku can lower his strength with KI. Sometimes you see him pat his wife on the shoulder and she goes flying but then you see him get hurt by a rock while off guard. That’s cause they can lower their Ki, heard this from another analysis

[@FlameingSlayer]

Yea cause goku knows that krillin knows what going to the after life feels like so he aint doin it again.

[@bignean2280]

yeah i mean in early z they used to supress their power (ki) to go undetected or so they could be underestimated so that they can get the jump on their opponents so the rock and lazer point dont really matter

[@robocybo9616]

Yup , I thought this was obvious but OPM fans don't understand cuz they never watched the Z

[@commander_jat0580]

Comedic relief. The same as Saitama not being able to defeat a mosquito.

[@Clumsykae]

@@commander_jat0580 yup, so goku being hurt by a rock and saitama not being fast enough to catch a fly shouldn’t really be taken as serious scalings of strength

[@DKYT84]

The short answer is "No." Goku violates Saitama and it's not even close, I'm all for waiting until Saitama gets more feats so that this will be a discussion worth having.

[@DeathAssasin57]

Yeah Goku one shots unfortunately. The only chance Saitama has is if he gets better feats MAYBE against God in the OPM verse, but even then that fight is likely a long ways away from happening and we still don't know the scale of the fight. It may surpass complex multi, or it may only end up being like uni-uni+

[@kinggodzilla6356]

@@DeathAssasin57 yup

[@4nnd711]

@@DeathAssasin57 The Exposition dump murata has given us is crazy, genos talking about quantum multiverse theory, causality, parallel worlds, time, space was the last thing i expected when reading opm. something big is brewing and thats for sure.

[@ya_got_cooked]

the fact that he's fighting in outerspace where the so called warrior saiyan who are literally an alien species cannot even fight in outerspace, how about that? its easy to say saitama will slap goku's ass.

[@DKYT84]

@@ya_got_cooked They're not going to be fighting in space though?? Saitama currently can't even defeat Buu so what makes you think he can beat Goku?

[@RamtinGholizadeh2006]

I'm happy that there are still people like you who do research and let others know.

[@Omni-Limited]

The fact that Goku moved in a erased timeline with Zeno and didn’t mention it moving in a place without space or time or exstience itself

[@saadzaheerawan6166]

Saitama also controlled time for short period of time as seen in manga Cosmic Garou teached him how to do so

[@Omni-Limited]

@@saadzaheerawan6166 ok but that was with a gadget and I’m talking about moving in a plane of no existence so goku can handle Hakai

[@saadzaheerawan6166]

@@Omni-Limited Dragon ball have no logic They can do anything without any explanation or reason like When blue vegito fought cumber it didnt even scratched cumber but blue Gogeta literally beat the life out of awakened hearts who is many time stronger than cumber Dragon ball anime has no sense Like bro golden frieza can man handle blue vegeta and goku at same time but when its god toppo he got clapped but when vegeta fought god toppo just because of his anger he overpowered god toppo making no sense

[@Omni-Limited]

@@saadzaheerawan6166 that’s dragon ball heroes

[@saadzaheerawan6166]

@@Omni-Limitedfound this on your favourite anime people Is Dragon Ball Super: Super Hero Canon to the Anime/Manga? In short, yes, Super Hero is canon, just as Dragon Ball Super: Broly was before it. The newest movie is currently canon to both the Dragon Ball Super anime and manga.14-Mar-2023 Anyway dragon ball makes no sense Anything can be God just with 1 year worth of training and good news even less than hour you can became ultra god killer just like vegito he can get mastered ultra instinct within hours or less according to your favourite anime fandom Their power level is broken and the author can do whatever he like he can make broly defeated by vegeta because of vegeta anger, similiar to how he defeated god toppo with his anger but cannot defeat frieza by himself who got defeated by god toppo So dragon ball is nonesense and comparing it to other anime character is like comparing mystery character to well known character

[@thomasfagan8496]

I'm so glad you brought facts about their speed up. You nailed this one. I've explained this to so many OPM fans and they just don't get it. I've always said Saitama wouldn't even be able to see nor hit Goku at all.

[@tabahigamersuperlol]

no you didn't You have never bought it up.

[@kiwi_2_official]

@@tabahigamersuperlol most intelligent youtube commenter

[@tabahigamersuperlol]

@@kiwi_2_official Guess I am smart.

[@kiwi_2_official]

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[@yoda8569]

Goku isnt as fast as saitama like actually read ur shit lmao

[@fitzdaneelliott102]

The thing you said about Saitama only surpassing people because off emotions is true but it can also mean excitement from fighting someone strong like Goku

[@FlameingSlayer]

Nawh, saitama will prolly become stronger cause of sadness cause as soon as Saitama punches goku his arm crumbles

[@faizedfr]

​@@FlameingSlayerhe can't be stronger

[@jeremiah394]

@@FlameingSlayersaitama after months of exponential growth would not even be able to scratch base Goku’s toes

[@RonaldoDaGoat69]

yeah, he literally dream of fighting someone strong and almost cried when he realized its a dream

[@youraverage1piecefan]

He could grow a bit stronger but he gets one hit and even if the fight lasted for days he couldn't gain enough power but I see what your saying

[@blarspars8155]

One thing to consider is we still haven't seen saitama be physically hurt and while it says he was at full power and had intense emotions he was just mad at garou but he still wasn't phazed or excited by the fight nor was he pushed beyond his full, remember saitama craves and dreams of a worthy fight and not even garou brought that satisfaction he was just pissed and wanting to give him an ass whooping which garou surprisingly handled some of it so its still too early to say for saitama

[@proud05645]

He wasnt excited cuz genos died and the word was gonna be destroyed. We know he was using full power because he tells us so. He said " i may have got what i wanted but I'm not the least bit excited".

[@freezingicy9457]

@@proud05645 he was exponentially growing to match garou's power. Thats his whole character he has no limits, in the manga they even showcased a graph where saitama just kept on getting way stronger than garou

[@Zaiiuvi]

“we still havent seen saitama be physically hurt” you didnt watch the full video because he literally said and showed the panel of saitama just straight up taking damage 😂 he got punched in the face and spat out blood

[@blarspars8155]

@Zaiiuvi I know it looks like blood but I feel like saitama would've commented or been shocked if he was actually hurt considering he's always bored of not having a struggle

[@Zaiiuvi]

@@blarspars8155 it was stated by the creator himself saitama took some damage to boros but it was minor

[@larsmulder3050]

My only problem was when you said Saitama only grows with an upsurge of emotion. "His rate of growth, which had gone unnoticed by anyone since there was nobody remotely on par with his strength, suddenly began to soar exponentially, due to an upsurge of emotions like none he had ever experienced." Unless there's something wrong with the translations, this means that Saitama is passively growing (could be either multiplicative or linear, I'm personally more on the multiplicative side because of bias), but that growth became exponential due to emotions. This adds nothing to this debate, it's just some nitpicking from an OPM fan, great video though!

[@FlameingSlayer]

Meaning saitama coulden't exponentialy grow in the fight with Goku... Idk why you brought this up lol.

[@Chris_HT]

@@FlameingSlayerhe just said he was nitpicking

[@KingDues]

​@@Chris_HTfacts like bro need to chill

[@Supreme_Court.]

​@@FlameingSlayer How does that mean he couldn't grow exponentially while fighting Goku? Where did this idea come from that abilities shown during emotional moments can just be thrown out? It's always been common sense that a character getting pissed and showing a higher level of power is an example of their true ability, especially when it's a character that's always holding back. And it doesn't even matter, as Saitama would still feel extreme emotions if he actually found a difficult fight where defeat was a possibility. Unless you think he wouldn't find Goku difficult. Also the passive growth is exponential as well, Saitama can casually one shot himself from the day before. This would stack each day.

[@Odin.x.]

@@Supreme_Court.Goku would slap him to death before he can grow in strength.

[@Mr_anonymous303]

I love when saitama fan compare him with Fiction and doesn't even know he is also a fictional character 🤣🤣.

[@fortnite_memes1781]

that literally makes no sense, whatsoever

[@Mrsir529]

@@fortnite_memes1781 he is saying they are dumb enough to think Saitama isn’t fiction, idk either how that makes sense

[@Marcuskwok-hn5yi]

@@Mrsir529Idk

[@RyanSmith-lg1cn]

@@Mrsir529that is like the dumbest thing I’ve ever heard and also if he was real The earth wouldn’t exist

[@CocoPebbles-EF]

I think you forgot to mention that Fused zamasu said he had a body that Infinitely increase in strength in short spans and was immortal (which is litterly Sitamas ability +), and later not only did he transcend a body like that but base suppressed jiren was stronger than even infinite zamasu.

[@Remyy8f]

Bro thank you this is one of the only KZbinrs that speak sense

[@Batman-qv1ln]

Saitama would win this is biased

[@frosalt]

@@Batman-qv1ln no he wouldnt debate me

[@Batman-qv1ln]

@@frosalt ok

[@XkingThug]

Are you dumb he piety weaker then him what has he done

[@pratikugalmugale9982]

@@frosalt you cant debate against brainrot

[@andrewfairweather4742]

I wish we got to see garou and boros get some more screen time cause they were such cool designs and power but they just needed a lot of time

[@shubhamsonsurkar3782]

There is someone of same species as Boros named Boris who is working with Blast

[@Returntonature145]

​@King Zorro But he no longer have the god power so you can't expect him to be even planetary now

[@Young_Wrath]

@@Returntonature145yes we can he was planetary as monster garou and mft that was his own power

[@cocomama7567]

bro garo had around 80 chapters all to himself tf you mean he needed more screentime garo probably has more screen time then saitama himself at this point

[@tuber420]

"'Till then, Goku violates" So raw bro, great video 😂

[@Psusanoo]

Your videos are some of the best Goku vs videos I have watched in awhile. Thank you.

[@ghavinne]

Why does this still surprise people . The dragon ball franchise is so much more developed and down the road. If one punch man is still going 10+ years from now I’m sure the characters are gonna be ridiculously strong, just like the DBS characters.

[@northeastmorioh]

"Chill bro" as fubuki came up had me dead.

[@erinyowkow467]

The people who need to chill are the ass mad moron goku simps that cant use real world science to show how stupid unfair Saitama is.

[@unwashedhands2087]

that animation at the start is spicy looking

[@gamercentral2417]

Go watch

[@_zackk1]

It's made by Etoile 1 Animation

[@0k3932]

Good video man, very well done

[@mrbomb4457]

Saitama fans trying to not pull a not cannon saitama when they are losing challenge (impossible) We do not talk about not cannon Goku's... 🤫

[@MaitoFelix]

Non canon saitama fans are worse, they take the already non canon then make it even less canon to the non canon 😂

[@aleXtreme_]

Yea one can punch a whole in universe, move faster than time, move between dimensions and the other one best feat is a sneeze of a planet. Goku ez dif not even debatable

[@Solo-_-Jay0]

u forget saitama reversed causality/turn back time by hours whilevgoku merely moved a couple seconds faster than time

[@the_marvelous_one]

​@@Solo-_-Jay0goku still negs

[@Earthly_real]

Goku is that one character that we all made up as a kids that's like "I'm not gonna lose because I have this new ability I just now unlocked"

[@Gloverfield]

Nah, that'd be Rimuru Tempest as he can beat both of them at the same time with all the abilities he's been given...

[@Changed.User100]

You forgot the alternate versions of Goku that will absolutely 1 shot saitama with no effort - Xeno Goku - CC Goku - God-fusion Goku - Any character from Dragon ball super Goku

[@jh_dances2221]

Its xeno goku not zeno

[@khaledkhateb8665]

Krillin slaps

[@Brosie_Osie]

FM saitama claps 🗿

[@issa.j4p229]

Not even worth mentioning since anime goku is already overkill... then u got manga goku, under cc and xeno 💀

[@yodita1368]

Super goku was already an overkill... I don't even know what to call bringing up god fusion goku

[@loganbreau882]

You deserve to get a massively larger considering you actually put thought into things. There's always room for improvement, but I can see you eventually going up to the likes of Seth and his friends.

[@InfamousMastery]

its a little sad to see that 50% of the information from this video is exactly translated from seth and chucks videos on the topic, but im glad that the information is getting out there at all

[@donaldtrumplover2254]

Idk he did wank goku a little bit here with the whole “Goku is multi galaxy level in the cell saga” and “Saitamas casual breaking of time space doesn’t matter towards how strong he is”. Going back in time by just doing a stance you saw for a second is a pretty big feat. I don’t think Saitama even touches Goku based on his current feats but the dude should at least be able to give cell saga Goku a run for his money.

[@AlexAblaz3]

I think they would be friends ngl, they would be partners in crime.

[@jammaster1774]

Haven’t finished the vid yet but you mentioned that saitama couldn’t one punch boros but wasn’t it stated that saitama was holding back to give boros a good fight because he understood what it was like to be the strongest ?

[@ToasterXD]

Not apart of the scaling, i was noting that boros could withstand consecutive normal hits. It doesn’t downplay Saitama at all because he wasn’t trying which was stated multiple times

[@adriantepes4355]

Nonetheless his one punch gag is disproved by that since if he really had that gag then no matter what happened he wouldn't have needed more than a single punch

[@GameZone-m5r]

@@ToasterXD you said in a comment that he is not limitless and in the manga the garu himself confirmed that he has no limit

[@mtg979]

@@GameZone-m5r have you watched the video?

[@JohnDev2579]

1:55 ey my animaton! haha

[@ToasterXD]

Oh my god, completely forgot to credit you im so sorry. I’ll do it right away haha

[@JohnDev2579]

@@ToasterXD its all good bruh. I Kinda like seeing my video as a bg xD

[@siphezulu5119]

Good vid, but shouldn't the speed feat where Goku and Pikkon flew from Daikaiou planet to hell be infinite speed, since that'd be traveling an infinite distance in a finite amount of time? I think that calc should hold if only you consider the afterlife finite, but I never liked that speed feat anyway, I guess it's because it's from the filler, though Pikkon is mentioned during the fight with Kid Buu which can potentially make him canon to the anime, it just feels weird . I like Gas flying through space in 20 minutes a lot better though the exact distance is unknown but scaling it from Goku's range teleportation is it should be at least a greater distance than from Beerus' world to the Kaioushin realm since Goku can teleport between these dimensions and yet couldn't warp directly to planet Cereal, meaning he could lock on ki signatures of anyone who's in planet Cereal, Gas started tracking Goku's ki signatures before he was even back on planet Cereal but couldn't lock on them because Goku was already far, therefore Gas's 20 minutes flight should be an undisputed infinite speed.

[@vibemasterkorosu2469]

I think it goes like this: DBZ Goku: Infinite Speed (We don't count Instant Transmission) DBS Goku: Immeasurable speed (Manga and Anime feats such as Goku overpowering Hit's timeskip) SDBH Goku: Irrelevant Speed (Why the fuck is everyone in SDBH busted as hell)

[@callisto1796]

@@vibemasterkorosu2469 it’s not immeasurable because hits abilities only works on people weaker

[@vibemasterkorosu2469]

@@callisto1796 Cap?

[@callisto1796]

@@vibemasterkorosu2469 it's literally explained and even the biased guy in video said it lol

[@mtbax]

@@callisto1796 manga and anime are different cannon in anime it's never stated that hit ability work on weaker people

[@raymako6819]

thank you for using perfect cell’s theme, actually such a fucking banger

[@brandito5480]

7:56 these anti feats piss me off cause dragon ball is so consistent with people off guard getting injured by massively weaker opponents

[@nagamanigandi6666]

They literally empower themselves with ki🤦‍♂️ Saiyans are just bulletproof apes when empty on ki. Toriyama even goes over it in his interviews

[@ArtsByEbuka]

​@@nagamanigandi6666 opm meat rider

[@jeditiberias2883]

Yeah, if Toriyama wrote this is in the Manga, im sure there would've been a different way for Goku to lose

[@viniciusvieira5303]

Cool video bro, stay like that

[@TriedYan]

Why is this debate still a thing

[@silentkiler678]

because the opm fanboys are relentless and keep pulling out stupid reasons as to why saitama solos db out of their asses

[@andreitamban951]

@@silentkiler678 fr they don't know how to scale properly and always saying "limitless🤓" "time travel" "zero punch" when they don't even watch db

[@canyumxi]

@@andreitamban951 i agree dumbass reasons, opm fans cant give valid proof but sitama is still rocking goku high-extreme diff

[@andreitamban951]

@@canyumxi smartest OPM fan

[@Marcuskwok-hn5yi]

@@canyumxiwhaut awre ypou satyinf?

[@Alloy_Bron_]

100 pushups, sit ups, and squats per day for 3 years straight vs 2 trillion pushups and situps in 1 and a half minute: who would win

[@beastaive2219]

who cares ima make my own anime where the mc is infinitely strong infinitely fast and he lives in an infinity plain then you can make a video on how saitama and goku would get dogshitted on by my mc

[@TheMurphyParadox]

High Universal with Infinite Speed, Goku Negs

[@broggy52]

Have fun

[@klumzee4793]

Let's be honest this is a perfect matchup. They both enjoy a good fight. and if it's true that Saitama can grow in strength at the rate they showed in the manga. That means it's gonna be closer than what people think because we all know Goku goes to a fight based on the opponents level to make it even and if Saitama grows as the fight progress then who knows. I know Goku is astronomically stronger. But Saitama hasn't had a test the best one he go was against garou but he left him in the dust after he grew in strength.

[@robertibarra7774]

yes, but that was mainly because of him killing hie best freind. he does grow very very fast, but as he showed its litteraly stated the reason he grew so much in this fight was from his emotions. and also, no its not a perfect matchup regardless. Lets say goku kills genos to make saitama get that growth, hes still so far below him, goku will get bored of the fight waaaaaaaaaaaaaay before saitama ever even touches his supressed base form. The PERFECT match for him, is z broly. Mflt, exponential growth, galaxy level destruction without the growth, and would kill his freind to make him get stronger

[@klumzee4793]

@@robertibarra7774 I'm pretty sure it wasn't stated he gets stronger mainly because he was emotional about Genos dying. Yes it made sense for the fight but my guess he could get stronger if he fights someone strong which could mean excitement which is an emotional response but at the end of the day I do see it being like a spar where they both feel eachother out and both grow in the fight to make it interesting. I'm still sticking to my guns that it would be a good matchup.

[@robertibarra7774]

@@klumzee4793 I mean he grew that MUCH because of the emotions, if he fought someone that pushed him yes it would make him grow but anger and greif are much more effective then excitment unless stated to do so. and respectfully, even if Saitama gre at 10* a minute, goku would die of old age before saitama ever got close to his strength level in a sparing match, thats just numbers when gokus numbers are so high they cant be messured because of all the universal layers. Hell if he was only uni, and saitama highballed galaxy, gokus still billions apon billions of times stronger, then factor in god, blue, and all the ui forms? yeah no

[@fluffy2587]

Saitama would get goku easily if goku doesnt use ultra instict

[@robertibarra7774]

@@fluffy2587 Goku would litteraly never need ui to fight saitama, unless its goku in dbz then saitama stands no chance. Hes highballed gallaxy and faster then light, cool. Base goku absorbed ssg and is not only universal and higher, but has been faster then light since start of Z, you can even debate it for OG DB. Saitama has litteraly 0 advantage, hell grow in power yeah but itll take him months of constantly fightinh goku to even catchup from where he is, and goku has no patience for that

[@j_ray7948]

Never thought that so many facts can be spat out in a 15 minute video

[@Blackfacenoob]

Goku fans: makes a whole essay to prove their point Saitama fans: HES ONE PUNCH MAN HES BALD 10:36 wow

[@wiitimer33]

This arguement should never happen till opm is done

[@dizzyb2309]

Y'all still on this nonsense? I've never seen a fanbase cry to wait so much. Saitama literally just had a fight wherein which he had to grow stronger just to win. We've seen enough. Goku slaps.

[@fedydespooky7025]

@@dizzyb2309 dbs not done either

[@justinhachey8555]

People also seem to forget goku breaks his limits all the time and grows exponentially during battle just like saitama so they would just keep growing together and saitama wouldnt be able to keep up.

[@pratgamer6190]

Even if goku didn't grow, saitama would take ages to even catch up to DBS goku. By then goku would get bored and just one tap saitama

[@shardamus_shay]

@@pratgamer6190 Fr

[@codexxgaming8479]

The difference is SAITAMA does not have a limit or limiter He REMOVED it

[@Leafeater09]

@@codexxgaming8479 Are you saying in this comment Saitama wins or that he just has a slightly better chance which makes his negative one to a 0?

[@huunamphannguyen2755]

​@@codexxgaming8479 he just broke the limiter giving him limitless growing potential

[@AndreSoto-q5v]

Goku No Diffs

[@AndreSoto-q5v]

In base form

[@fireflight803]

not in base

[@AndreSoto-q5v]

@@fireflight803 yea in base form

[@Mrwater0]

​@@AndreSoto-q5vyea base from but Buu saga Goku or Frieza

[@brocautry5063]

So can someone please explain to me how Goku can be supposedly levels of infinity over Saitama when all of Goku's progression is linear and gradual? Goku's transformations give him a multiplier to his power they don't turn him into a higher dimensional being. Goku can't be 4d because he is still bound by time which is the 4th dimension, and before anyone says something about him moving during Hit's timeskip he still got to that point by multiplying his power meaning that it's a level of power that you can reach without having to reach infinity. I don't think Saitama is stronger than Goku, but it's incredibly stupid to see so many people talk about levels of infinity when Goku reaches those heights through multiplication.

[@MurphsLaw]

You don't need to be a 4-Dimensional being to have 4-Dimensional Strength. Dragon Ball's Linear Scaling kinda broke with Super Saiyan God. It makes sense since God Ki wasn't really supposed to be a Linear Progression in Power.

[@seanmorrison1579]

Watch ok not one saitama fan will comoment now that the facts between both characters have been showed thank you bro for being lore accurate ❤ not many people use lore

[@pmstark10]

Saitama is basically a parody on shonen characters like Goku. Let's come back at this when Saitama gets more cosmic. The Garou fight is merely the beginning.

[@Eysturia]

Yeah but if you try to bring the uncanon Terra 2 and 3 Saitama you could just bring in the various uncanon forms of goku like Af goku

[@Eysturia]

Or like the somehow licensed and canon god fusion goku who fused with the audience and fused with toriyama himself

[@Tempest1018]

Goku solos btw

[@seanmorrison1579]

He does saitama is a good match for goku but current manga goku does not lose to saitama

[@Tempest1018]

@@seanmorrison1579 trust me its not a good match☠️😭

[@jacksparrow-os3iw]

cap

[@Namato360]

@@jacksparrow-os3iw 😐

[@GurdevSingh-ie8yf]

@@jacksparrow-os3iware u serious have you watched the video

[@mr.goatgetaofcl]

10:06 Yo!!!! Is that Gohan from Resurrection F fighting Garou?!?!?!

[@gamercentral2417]

First Also W channel

[@jacksparrow-os3iw]

yeah its a w because he says something you like

[@gamercentral2417]

@@jacksparrow-os3iw nah. I commented this before I watched. Also I like his scaling

[@gamercentral2417]

@@jacksparrow-os3iw also why would I watch a channel that I’d not like?

[@jacksparrow-os3iw]

@@gamercentral2417 i didn't say you liked the channel i said because he said something you liked

[@jacksparrow-os3iw]

@@gamercentral2417 yeah its a w, totally don't even have to watch the video.

[@hanin4438]

Saitama being a gag character he'd win but just based on their actual feats of strength and such alone it's so not even close it's actually funny. Goku secretly bady swapped with the mosquito

[@UnderGamer2211]

10:44 even if that even counted as a speed feat for Saitama, that is still only 1.8 x 10^11 times the speed of light, Goku BUU SAGA is 1.074 x 10^16 times the speed of light

[@gamesandstuff-gb3fw]

I guarantee if I sent this to a Saitama fan they would still deny it lol

[@SaiyajinJay]

This dude doesn’t miss give this man 10k

[@erinyowkow467]

He missed a ton mr grown man with SSJ in his username lol The amount of bias shit is so funny. Yet another tard youtuber claiming he knows how a fight will go lol How come Goku fighting Beerus caused the universe to "die" or what ever, but Hit and Goku or Hit and Jiren can't? Your simping for a anime that the writer himself has stopped giving a shit about actual power scaling. A. Saitama isn't going all out. He's still holding back from killing him. B. You are lowballing every feat Saitama does. Including him farting so hard in space that it propells him fast enough to go into the portal with Garou who threw Saitama into the sun C. Saitama survived the sun, that thing that Goku uses to kill things? Go ahead read my comment and lauf. Because I had my fair share of laughing at your retardisms. Go ahead and show me panels of Goku punching the planets cloud layer. Killed anyone without even making contact with his fist (Saitama punching AT Boros) Moved so fast he could see behind his head in a mirror. moved so fast that Genos was in near time stop. Popped his head out from the earths crust without causing a earth quake and proceeding to chase someone without any swimming motion. Sat and bathed in Lava and then squirt it like he was in the pool. You brag and bring up this stupid inconsistent horse shit about destroying the universe but it was literally ONLY because of Beerus. Beerus and Champa fought and the same thing was happening. When Goku at a even higher level fought Broly or Golden Frieza who could body God(red) there was no "The universe is going to be destroyed" Your pathetic little attempt is rather sad. Just goes to show that DBZ Fans use psedoscience and vague incalculable mumbo jumbo to attempt a win against a manga and its writer are smarter than the HahA Poop Jokes writer of DBZ. The shit going on in OPM can be scienced and thought out how strong someone is. In Dragon Ball, nothing makes any sense and is often if not always incalculable. Saitama Blitzed Garou with faster than light movement. and the insane destructive force of him and garou wiped out countless stars. Show me a feat of Goku that is comparable to that without handicapping back to that stupid crap about the universe shaking when Goku and Beerus fought as I said was a only thing with Beerus and him and not any other fight. So yea, next time you attempt a stupid video like this and mock people in the opening you should double back and think more on it. Now go cry to Daddy SethTheDouche. Maybe he'll try to cancel other youtubers that dare speak otherwise about something like he tried with PlageuofGripes. You salty ass fanboys are such a sad sight.

[@realghost-qo6gd]

TikTok overrates saitama with the dumbest arguments and everyone agrees example: saitama grabbed hyperspace itself 🤦🏻‍♂️ saitama has infinite potential, saitama didn’t get hurt by the strongest attack in the whole universe

[@GameZone-m5r]

it's a force not a potential

[@sinicule]

You could still lowball the gamma ray burst to be a weak version that scales to star-solar system

[@luka188]

@@sinicule You can't even call that gamma ray burst from garou solar system level, it is at most planet level. Compared to a real gamma ray burst, it is incredibly small and incredibly weak. Real gamma ray bursts are literally wider than the sun itself, some can be almost as large as the solar system itself, unless you would think that garou's gamma ray burst which was only a few meters in diameter would have billions of times more energy density, which isn't possible, because at that point it is not a gamma ray burst anymore. This feat can only be scaled by taking the average energy output of a gamma ray burst and then comparing the size of Garou's gamma ray burst to a real one, and scaling the energy output based on the size of the gamma ray burst by garou, which is actually much weaker than planet level and is barely a feat at all. If this was a real gamma ray burst, it would have blown the entire atmosphere out of the planet, even when he fired this away from the earth, and thus destroyed the whole planet, but it didn't, so garou's gamma ray burst is just a small gamma ray no where close to a real one in terms of power.

[@Chaz_FlamezVR]

as a saitama fan, you hate to see it, but you gotta stand with the facts. goku just solos the verse :/

[@SSAHM910]

Goku dies from laser 😂😂😂😂

[@yousefdaher8393]

He solos in base form

[@Riotthefroglord2]

Literally anyone who actually thints goku would lose to Santa a is absolutely atrociously stupid

[@enshroud_mask]

Santa?🎅

[@TheDripOnTop]

Little late to the party hehe 😅. Wanted to say great video, and it’s amazing to see the actual facts put infront of us, no OPM or DBS massive highballs and stuff. It’s almost like you’ve explained exactly what I’ve always tried to tell OPM fans, in a 👌 way. My gf is a big OPM fan herself, and does believe that goku beats can beat saitama. I’ll be showing her this, thx bro

[@Memz23]

Bruh, him beating every opponent in one punch is hilarious! Not to mention, he's depressed af about it! It's comedic gold! You just didn't get the show I guess.

[@Memz23]

Goku's the hero that can't lose, but Saitama is the guy who's "A hero for fun"

[@ItzEnvious]

It’s quite literally the other way around. Goku has lost many times in he anime. Saitama hasn’t ever lost a battle

[@_nicollaspernando]

You know Murata is a great artist, he doesn't like to leave even small details for even clothes or injuries of his character. if you say saitama bleeds then you just read OPM at a glance. in fact saitama didn't leave any injuries or bruises after the fight even for the residual blood left on saitama's lips there was nothing

[@geokashi357]

that's a nice cope but he definitely took damage against boros and garou unless murata decides to retcon cause opm is only relevant bc of his art and bc people think saitama can beat goku

[@_nicollaspernando]

@@geokashi357 it doesn't matter because of the art or not, Saitama doesn't take any damage at all whether it's the manga or the webcomic. As for the manga panel, it says "took damage" but the original site never says that. Murata consistently makes Saitama, not hurt at all

[@geokashi357]

@@_nicollaspernando ok man you do you but i dont know why you guys like saitama probably one of the worst anime/manga character

[@_nicollaspernando]

@@geokashi357 saitama is not liked by kid or teenagers because, saitama doesn't have the appeal of a teenager. saitama is a fully grown man who has a sigma personality. Besides, opm's story is not targeted at kid or teenagers

[@_nicollaspernando]

@@geokashi357 people like saitama because he is a realistic hero image. she is not fickle, naive, or a teenager's wishful thinking. he came straight and showed himself sober. and people come alone to saitama because saitama is a picture of a true hero

[@BobaDavis]

This is confusing....the problem is that Saitama works in such a way (similar to Superman), in that if he hasn't demonstrated a scale high enough, it's only because his opponent hasn't been strong enough for him to even want to go that far. Honestly, until he is written to have limits, there's no reason to think that Goku would be any different for him than anyone else that he's fought. These characters weren't written to be fought against one another, so if you're going to pit them together, the logic of their internal function must always apply.

[@nex3mber]

Ok so that part where garou hits saitama is either blood or debris from garous hand punching saitama, probably doesn't matter but I'll still leave this comment here

[@ToasterXD]

In the panel, there’s no scraped off debris on Garou’ hand and if you look closely at Garou, there’s blood and debris coming off his face. It’s safe to assume that there isn’t debris coming off his hand, and if there is. It’s mixture of that and Saitama’s blood

[@AJ-ry8qd]

Complete headcanon in assuming that it's blood. It's an art effect by murata to show a powerful strike, similar effects were shown in his fight with boros

[@just_randomlyshowed4347]

@@AJ-ry8qd Headcanon by assuming it isn't blood due to wtf else would come out of his mouth.

[@they_fw_lei]

@@AJ-ry8qd murata stinks as an artist then. Theres no point in putting battle damage if the one punch man isnt supposed to take damage. Do u hear ur logic. Actual brainlet

[@dannysho9167]

the reason why garou was able to probably damage saitama is bcs he was exactly copying saitama meaning that it would take saitama to hurt saitama

[@devaarthurarthur5991]

"bu- bu- but Goku got hurt by a rock 🤓👆" lmao that shit is not even Canon 💀💀💀

[@ArpanKhatri-ji1lf]

Bro was like 2 back then💀

[@Dblnewbie1]

crazy thing is people tend to forget that when goku got hit by the rock he was not looking so he was caught off gaurd then they try to say but he was in super saiyan but it makes it no better cause he was still caught off gaurd so his ki defenses were not up at the time

[@punlovingpacifist]

and Saitama got hurt by a cat 😢

[@KiraUchiha-qp8pq]

Goku survived hakai the one strongest techniques in dbs😂😅😅

[@pratikugalmugale9982]

@@KiraUchiha-qp8pq wtf is haki?

[@andrewfairweather4742]

One thing I see no one mentioning is the fact that any main antagonist in DBZ would fold OPM's universe ;-; I hope they aggressively realize that also? Since garou is able to control any form of energy in the universe why didn't he just pop a black hole on saitama I mean the dude legit has said " I now can control and use any form of energy in the universe at my will " So technically garou would have won if he had a brain ;-;

[@cyanp.ramirez5174]

Garou created a Blackhole, he actually stood in the middle of one when doing the GRB where the tidal forces grow towards Infinity. And still received damage from a Punch from Saitama.

[@InfamousMastery]

@@cyanp.ramirez5174 goku has also stood in a blackhole. he also is stronger than beings who shake infinite realms of literal nothingness by just existing, yada yada, your point is mute, and you need to watch the video again.

[@cyanp.ramirez5174]

@@InfamousMastery Garou didn't just stand in a blackhole, he absolutely no sold the tidal forces of it, with no effort. The only thing that harmed him was unironically Saitama and God. Shaking Realms of Nothingness isn't a quantifiable feat, even then it's demonstrably false it exists outside of time and space because of the whole Hit vs Jiren sequence.

[@InfamousMastery]

@@cyanp.ramirez5174 shaking infinite void is equally as quantifiable as the blackhole feat, both scaling towards “infinity.” its clearly shown that neither saitama nor goku are infinite in any manner, so the feat is irrelevant. punch force doesnt equate to the pull of a black hole, garou has full understanding of the forces of the universe, including gravity which could easily allow him to stand in the center of a blackhole while facing no forces or stresses on his body whatsoever. standing in a blackhole doesnt mean anything unless you have no resistances to its forces and you still have no difficulty

[@cyanp.ramirez5174]

@@InfamousMastery Not really, we know how a blackhole behaves we have models for it, if Garou has the Strenght to generate enough Gravity to generate a blackhole would still scale him to that level. Shaking Infinite Nothingness means nothing, it's literally unscalable, because it's not even shaking an infinite universe which has matter so a proper measurement can be Made.

[@admstantler]

even ichigo vs saitama or naruto vs saitama would be a more realistic debate lmao

[@whitejack9032]

Goku gonna hit the floor like a sack of wheat

[@admstantler]

@@whitejack9032 to sleep after moping the floor with saitama lmao

[@whitejack9032]

@@admstantler how many times did he die exactly? This time would be no different lol

[@admstantler]

@@whitejack9032 thats because all his enemies can one shot saitama lmao. every enemy since buu scales above saitama's serious punch squared lol

[@whitejack9032]

@@admstantler Your made up fanfiction doesn’t save Goku mate.

[@LaKron_212]

Even chat GPT says saitama's stronger than goku now 💀

[@Jinglethealmighty]

Chat gpt is a idiot

[@lukechai4663]

chatgpt gets its sources on google or anything related to the topic. so more ppl think saitama>goku

[@yousefdaher8393]

Listen fanboy, ChatGPT is just like google, it has every wrong info.

[@itzkiblo]

This sounds more like an OPM hate than anything if you cant even say hes a gag character. Dude dreams of having interesting fights bc hes so bored. His first scene is him one punching a giant radioactive creature and yelling about it taking one punch, he has reaction speeds faster than light yet cant catch a fly, he farts to move through space, he goes to a fighting match to see real fighters just to tank every hit and the only thing making him nervous was his wig falling off then knocks a guy down with his butt. You might not find it funny but you cant say he takes anything seriously and hes more likely to just tank some hits for the fun of it unless he realizes the opponent is strong so unless goku one punches saitama odds are he will just grow in strength with every hit he doesnt die from since the whole point of the garou fight was to show that even someone with Gods power mixed with copying saitama's power cant grow in strength nearly as fast as saitama can so unless he gets dropped in one hit he will just keep gaining strength and him being "emotional" during the garou fight was more about him finally taking the fight seriously and not really him being extremely mad or upset. Also the whole thing with how he stopped garou was that he did it in 0 punches meaning he killed garou so fast that he died before the first punch ever landed and they had a whole battle within that time so im surprised he never brought that up or that him erasing galaxies in the sky wasnt really his power but it was his power squared bc he was attacking his punch with the punch that garou through using saitamas strength so it wasnt a feat he did on his own but i also dont understand the idea that it pushed the stars further away so theyre out of sight when that would just destroy them in the process even if they were pushed bc of how fast they would be moving and we can literally see so far back in our own galaxy purely off of the light from stars and the only thing stopping us from seeing all the way back to the big bang or the beginning is that there was no light at all so the distance doesnt really matter when it comes to it being seen since the stars in the sky are so old a lot of them dont exsist there anymore.

[@Tamakkiscales]

No one is reading allat

[@harrymbakwe8424]

Bro why are you writing so much dam

[@Did_I_ask]

I'm not reading allat

[@jankruger5158]

Saitama=mosquito Goku=BIG ALIEN GUYS Best scaling

[@Yuyumikey]

I appreciate the fact that my guy used facts and knew what he was talking about and wasn’t bias. Great video

[@giorno3237]

even Z broly destroyed a galaxy like it was nothing

[@andreitamban951]

Non canon but yeah

[@erinyowkow467]

Did he do that with a simple punch? No lol so why does this feat matter? Saitama survived the sun did Broly?

[@Goat10Solos]

@@erinyowkow467 Saitama did not survive being in the sun lmfao.That was just Garou's explosion.

[@Zeno1781]

@@erinyowkow467 teenage broly and it wasnt just 1 galaxy it was multiple. The south galaxy and other galaxies containing multiple if not infinite galaxies within them.

[@callisto1796]

@@Goat10Solos he took a gamma-ray burst in the face meaning he can survive being in the sun

[@Extoic_Leakk101]

Crazy how Saitama still solo I said he spat out blood but when did Saitama even say he got hurt or did that he would of been surprised or sum like that smh

[@Domagoj_playz]

I will go over a few things you mentioned and I will try to contradict them: 1:15 in chapters 155 and 156 Platinum S, Garou and Flashy flash have their fight. After Flashy was overwhelmed, Platinum S and Garou had heir duel and someone calculated their movemvent speed by measuring their traveled distance and time, which resulted in them being Massively faster than light. Garou gained an enormous power up after that and Saitama was still clearly faster 2:17 that serious punch^2 was used way before the enormous powerup and was vectored into one direction. If that serious punch^2 happened near the end of their fight, the results would ve been much more drastic 8:09 Saitama mimiced time travel tehnique and nailed it first try 9:26 Dragon Ball has been a thing for much much longer than One punch man. This Garou saga would porbably be a saiyan - frieza saga if OPM had the same pacing as DB. This means that Saitama has a lot more room to grow 13:17 that is actually not saitama taking damage (thats not blood at all), which is shown at the start of the next chapter where he is unharmed. Those are parts of Garou. Those same particles were shown in previous Garou's successful hits vs Saitama. (ahh i see you ve already mentioned that, mb) 13:28 those were Boros thoughts. That wasn't the narrator and we know that because the same font was used when Boros had other thoughts. As for the limitless strength thingy; he isn' storng infinitelly, but he broke his limiter, unlike goku who uses new (plot armor)transformations to break his.To me Saitama would be very similar to broly, with the difference being that he wouldn't stop gettng stronger (brolly capped at LSSJ MID FIGHT VS Gogeta). Goku would start in his base form, saitama would adapt, he d go SSJ, which would take Saitama more time to adapt, but de to the exponencial growth, that adapation time would be shorter and shorter. Can I get an Amen

[@geogamerya]

Bro some of your arguments were pretty good others I may not agree with but honestly props to you for taking the time to type this out like a civilised person instead of going "noooooo ur a gokutard!" or "I will find your IP address"

[@Domagoj_playz]

​@@geogameryahey man, sorry for answering late! Um, could you tell me what parts do you disagree with? I dont want to spread fake news so I want to know 😅

[@Dragonking3787]

While I agree with your assessment, I noticed at the end of your video you "apologized" for offending anyone with it. It would help if you didn't demean others, and outright call them stupid. You can dispute an argument without insults. You will be more respected for it.

[@hassanhassan-os5oq]

Have you seen the comments section most people there don't listen to reason

[@y_skytaro2271]

Finally someone who speaks facts

[@lasergd6806]

Probably the clash of Garou and Saitama's fists didn't destroy all of those stars as it would've destroyed earth too. I think it just curved the light coming from the stars away so we can't see anything in that direction

[@ToasterXD]

It was redirected. So it either destroyed the stars or pushed them away whichever u want to believe because there’s nothing stating either are correct

[@EarthshakerOnamazu]

you have to remember the scale.. the hole is around the size of the Earth, and the Earth is REAAAAAAALLY far away from that hole, that hole could literally be the size of a significant chunk of the entire universe... It could also have possibly gone to the very ends of the universe

[@N2O_The1000thElement]

​@@ToasterXDconsidering the flashy side of manga and anime in general, I think its safe to assume they destroyed those stars, because I mean who in their right mind would draw a pannel like that saying: with their combinded might they managed to push stars away 😂

[@luka188]

Yeah it also very likely just pushed away or destroyed the photons which came from that direction to a certain distance in space, and left a little dark spot in the sky for some amount of time, rather than actually destroy any stars or galaxies. Though if the punch destroyed photons for a few light years in that direction it would still be an impressive feat comparable to solar system level at least, and maybe even multi solar system level because of the quantity of photons affected. However I firmly believe no stars were even touched by that punch, let alone galaxies, neither did any stars get "pushed away", it's just the light from those stars that got deflected or erased by the force, creating a dark spot in the night sky for some period of time.

[@large7517]

So, saitama always has exponential growth, it is that the ability is just increased dramatically by his rage at garou. This is explained by his limiter being broken. Second, Goku in every single fight starts off low to test his opponents and then increases in strength as the fight goes on. In this scenario, which is the most likely as its informed by every single dragonball fight ever, saitama would catch up. Goku, of course, has higher and more powerful feats, but Saitama does regularly break the logic of his world fairly often. Manipulating 4th dimensional portals as if they were a disk, being able to see the back of his head, something that should be impossible, and getting this strong with a basic routine strength training. The most logical way described is that his limiter is broken, having access to near limitless strength, just needing a catalyst to get him stronger as there is no one that can test that any longer. I don't know what compells people to assume Goku would just one-shot kill anyone either. Goku isn't a savage cause this is the same dude that spared Freiza. Even if the gap is so wide, the way Goku fights would be the reason he loses.

[@crossovanon3401]

Watch the full video and you realise it’s too wide for even a full out saitama to realistically be able to take those punches Pushing him to galaxy level which is a high ball, saitama would only be able to give cell saga goku a light warmup And then we have to account for cosmology Cosmology limits a character to there verse and how high it scales Goku’s multiversal scaling put him above The OPM verse and it’s lack of cosmology capping any of its characters at uni (the top of cosmology = to what infinite potential would allow) Goku also has infinite potential and since his cosmology is higher, there is no way for saitama to close the gap

[@exaunitive4948]

The reason is that vs battles usually don't take narrative into account Goku's nature isn't being counted here it is IF he can beat saitama

[@large7517]

@@crossovanon3401 I watched the full video, my point still stands, read his pinned comment btw

[@ToasterXD]

LMFAO

[@BappO-is-me]

1) Saitama's (from what I know never stated to be exponential) growth is pretty low from what I've seen. Goku grows in strength too, it's kind of his entire race's thing. 2) if we take into consideration their personalities, there wouldn't be a fight to begin with, like at all. Besides Saitama barely puts in efforts in his fights as well, so I doubt he would have ANY growth that would actually matter in time. 3) manipulating 4th dimensional portals is impressive? Try destroying them, and with a scream nonetheless, as Buuhan did in the Buu Saga, someone who was absolutely trashed by Vegito, of whom was completely blitzed in power by Goku's new Super Saiyan God form. I'll let you figure out which is more impressive. 4) just repeating stuff now.

[@miklcoro]

Proving saitamas strength: A building is on average 63502 kg. Saitama was able to destroy this in his base form with a sneeze. After his multiplier, he was able to blow the gas off of Jupiter. Jupiters gas weighs 1.9x10 to the 27th power kilos. If you divide this by 63502, you get exactly what saitamas multiplier was, which is 2.9920317e+24, or when expressed numerically 2992031699999999968411648. This is a lowball, as the building feat was wanked, he only destroyed windows and opened doors. As this value is the denominator, this would make the actual multiplier wayyyy bigger. Saitama base is uni+, because he’s 4d, making him with the multiplier multiversal. And, with another dimensional feat, he’s 5d, making him low complex multiversal+. Proof Saitama is 4d: The 4th dimension consists of 3 spacial dimensions and one temporal dimension. The third dimension consists of 3 spacial dimensions. Saitama already is 3 dimensional, as we can see height, width and length in his universe. He went back in time, which is directly interacting with and altering the temporal dimension, making him at least 4d. Proof Saitama is 5d: He morphed the temporal dimension to his will, indicating transcendence. Also, as he was the first and only being to be shown to travel back in time in the opm verse, and since time travel requires infinite timelines and an infinite multiverse to be in place, this also makes saitama 5d. You might say that this is disproven by saitamas past and present forms conjoining, but this is appeal to reality, and you’re forgetting the existence of god. Proving saitamas speed: omnidirectional punch on IO = infinite speed. Definition of omnidirectional - receiving signals from or transmitting in all directions, with midball immeasurable because of time travel feat and 5dness

[@zp24th]

that is some crazy as shit scaling bro lmao

[@miklcoro]

@@zp24th then prove it wrong

[@zp24th]

1. He didn't sneeze jupiter in base form (if you were talking about the building, then idk how it helps saitama) Idk what is a saitama multiplier, this is the first time ive seen someone use "Saitama Multiplier" If thw multiplier is his growth then this is absolutely irrelevant 2. From what is shown, Saitama and Garou are still just 3D beings with some limited ability to interact with a higher dimensional tiering. This would be akin to how humans can interact with certain objects and forces in a 3D space but not have control over 3D space itself. When saitama fused with his old self, he forgot how to time travel so this makes it irrelevant He was also grabbed subspaces not hyperspace so that is not 4D 3. Again, he forgot how to use time travel. Making this irrelevant atleast, Ofc God is just there. you debunked on how saitama isnt 5D in the first place💀 4. With all the debunks, this doesn't makes him 5D with Infinite Speed

[@zp24th]

@@miklcoro .

[@whiteyoshibros]

@@zp24th case and point proved wrong, ask and you shall receive 💀

[@endlessvoid4278]

I love both of these anime ,and both of the characters. I think they both could infinitely grow in power and just continually grow stronger.

[@911PilotIdkRandomName]

Agreed, W comment

[@smokey_mk2]

yup they would be eachothers perfect sparring partners if goku takes his time to let saitama grow at the start

[@manymaria1115]

One has died a million times the one hasn't been hurt once

[@FwybRukia]

can you fucking listen?

[@whiteyoshibros]

13:08

[@wut1872]

Bro has to be trolling 💀💀💀

[@wasifchowdhury2004]

I have also never ever lost to Conor McGregor in a fight while he has lost fights. You see the problem there?

[@Marcuskwok-hn5yi]

I never died,so am I stronger than Jesus?

[@IamRex342]

Okey let me get this straight, people watched a 15 minute long video of someone carefully explaining every feat both of these characters have, the reality they live in and the cannon achievements both of them have had and people still try to find an argument that might overrated/underrate Saitama and Goku. Welp just one thing. If Saitama ever reaches to Goku's strength, how can he surpass someone whose body can't be hit. Perfect MUI exists..

[@N_L_23]

The zero punch also exists Rex

[@joshuahart153]

MUI doesn't mean he can't be hit. Jiren hit him multiple times, Frieza Black one-shotted MUI. All MUI does is make it so his body auto dodges without having to think about it, but if Goku isn't capable of dodging it he will still get hit.

[@aisaback6221]

​@@N_L_23he forgot

[@Game_savior659]

Finally someone who understands

[@huwmorrisson1591]

the goku copium in these comments is crazy

[@mrblank.1792]

The rage bait attempt is crazy

[@itsamebenjamintennyson1230]

Saitama's strength grows exponentially, so it would not reach Infinity, Saitama would not even be universe level. Anime Goku is way beyond that and he is consistently 5D now because he shook the world of the void which is above space and time by just existing and then he becomes that strong in his base form.

[@jadonrahman]

It’s most definitely limitless potential don’t down play saitama this was stated a million times over. All limitless means is that he doesn’t have a cap and doesn’t run into limits, goku does but he’s capable of breaking them saitama runs into none meaning he could grow faster but isn’t as strong for now. We also don’t know the full cosmology of opm but there are other dimensions based on what we know so far.

[@InfamousMastery]

it was jiren that shook the realm of void, but yeah by scaling goku could easily do it too

[@itsamebenjamintennyson1230]

@@jadonrahman I don't know how Saitama's power would be boosted in future arcs but based on the information so far his stats increase exponentially, so yes he would keep getting stronger without any limit just like you can get keep counting and never reach infinity.

[@jadonrahman]

@@itsamebenjamintennyson1230 Universes are not infinite is what my problem was with your comment. We also don’t understand what dimensionality saitama is even. It’s a newer fan concept as well for measuring fiction.

[@adamyoung8900]

@It's a me Benjamin Tennyson You can't say he's growing exponentially and doesn't have limitless power when both those statements come from Garou's inner monologue. We don't know Saitama's full strength, and neither did Garou during the fight as he admits. You seem to pick and choose Saitama's feats while allowing all of Goku's feats without question. How can you shake a void? How come he only broke the universe once? If you question Saitama's stats but bot Goku's that makes you bias and makes this match counter factual.

[@uncookedtoast5660]

I think Saitama doesn’t only get stronger through intense emotions. He needs to find an opponent like Cosmic Gauro to grow in strength. The intense emotions from Genos’s death only caused his power to grow faster during the battle. I’m not saying that this allows him to win. I mean that he doesn’t need intense emotion to grow.

[@Jellify1]

if you think about it saitama gains alot of power very quickly once he finds an opponent worthy of a fight and the average dbz fight lasts like 5 episodes

[@OGCoolname]

The thing is Goku will start out at his base not full power but there's no reason for saitama to grow because Goku isn't giving him intense emotion unless you think happiness is intense emotion goku is still a skilled martial artist so he will still win

[@Jellify1]

@@OGCoolname the intense emotion doesn't only have to be sadness or rage, it can also be thrill for finding a strong and Worthy opponent (ia;Goku)

[@OGCoolname]

@@Jellify1 sure

[@legendsinstinct7143]

Well broly went from being clapped by base form vegeta to forcing them to fuse and go super saiyan blue in minutes. So yeah