Why Goku VS Yhwach Isn’t Close

[@ToasterXD]

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[@Indra-hr9rc]

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[@rllydude3600]

my tongue is very skillful and your balls are attracting my tongue-matters

[@ZakuraTao]

I was wondering about that lol

[@calboyalexander8181]

Ngl you were wrong for Goku vs Kratos but that one might be your redemption arc if you ended up by saying Kid Goku stomp Ywatch

[@xavierwalko4175]

Kamen Rider Decade VS Goku?

[@dr.rochester6416]

The fact that there are people shaming this guy for using valid statements and feats just shows how much babyish people are over their favorite character.

[@YhwachTheAlmighty.]

Here’s my problem with feats, OP characters don’t need feats, they are just that strong. Goku needs feats because he isn’t strong enough yet.

[@valerwolf255]

@@YhwachTheAlmighty.🤣🤣

[@_------------_]

​@@YhwachTheAlmighty.Malding 💀

[@Jaylentonws-hk8gd]

💀💀💀 na ahhh high that's crazy but the pfp checks out

[@azibwork]

@@YhwachTheAlmighty. crymore

[@dinolover]

Yhwach firing arrows at a oncoming Kamehameha would be boss as fuck

[@nathanromany1424]

I agree especially if they had one piece level animations or something else

[@TrestonDodd]

@@nathanromany1424It will be a disappointment if yhwachs main fights from here on out aren’t current one piece level or greater then it

[@jordancantrell..]

I would have loved if ufotable animated blood war (same animator's as demon slayer and fate)

[@PurpleHeartE54]

@@jordancantrell.. True, but the current animators are good too.

[@Hope-mtz]

​@@nathanromany1424What? One piece's animation is mid

[@Redhollow]

If we want to say Reishi and Ki are similar for scaling purposes, you'd think the Quincy's control over all things reishi would come into play a lot more. I would expect it to be a bit like Moro vs Goku, in that the longer the fight goes the less likely Goku would win that battle.

[@infernoslayer5393]

Do you not know what blitzing is?

[@kakashihatake1029]

​@infernoslayer5393 you realize Yhwach could adjust the future before he even meets Goku

[@deathlyzone6902]

@@infernoslayer5393 You do seem to know what glazing is thats for sure

[@amosedeaghe1368]

@@kakashihatake1029 the problem with that is both reishi and ki have ability negation when the targeted person is vastly stronger, if Yhwach tried to change a future related it'll likely just not work. Furthermore this is supposed to be a situation where they fight to kill one another why would he adjust the future to not meet Goku, even if his future changing ability could work he would probably aim to attack a goku in the future who is in base or weakened

[@МаксимОрехов-в6л]

@@amosedeaghe1368 Ability negation only works if it affects stronger one directly, which Almighty bypasses by addecting time instead of Goku. Same as when it was used on Ichigo who outscales Yhwach in stats atleast 3 times not taking acount of injuries and exhaustion which is plenty enough to be able to negate it but it didnt.

[@denmla7982]

"Vegeto was turned into a literal candy, and was still able to solo all of One Punch Man" Pure Gold

[@AshurMehdi]

hes joking

[@denmla7982]

@@AshurMehdi I know, but he is still right

[@Cosmic_JC]

​@@AshurMehdiHe aint lying tho. Candy Vegeto probably solos all of One Punch Man other than God or Saitama.

[@Depressed_until_dead]

@@AshurMehdi ...

[@Blambmo]

@@Cosmic_JC nah he'd still slam the verse as candy, he was destroying buu

[@bobowon5450]

scaling dragon ball against other anime is often weird to me because dragon ball is very upfront about characters being able to blow up planets, galaxies, and universes, its a common statement. Meanwhile something like bleach is so much more focused on the body to body damage being cause, and only really in hindsight do you think "oh wait yhwach was about to just casually tear about the universe"

[@Pein718]

Bleach has universal scaling statements every so often, like Hueco Mundo being infinite, Kenpachi fighting unohana In an infinite void, hell having multiple infinite realms and so on

[@CR7ThorntonHeath]

​@Pein718 not universal level feats

[@Pein718]

@@CR7ThorntonHeath Yes universal feats, Ichigo was destroying hell from the bottom layer. Ywach was going to collapse 3 spaces all stated to be infinite in size at some point. Yamamoto's bankai would destroy the soul society if he's not careful, which is also stated to be universal

[@mexicandog6788]

not to mention the cosmology in db is way bigger by a long shot than bleach's so it isn't the same bieng universal in bleach as bieng universal in db

[@bobowon5450]

@@mexicandog6788 not really any way to compare the cosmology. both are basically described as infinite.

[@isaiahjohnson6809]

I love when bro takes jabs at OPM 💀

[@denisn8336]

Same

[@Bananzia]

It’s peak but ruined by saitama fans

[@PrinceAjaxson]

They ask for it

[@animoments8969]

@Bananzia I used to love opm and saitama but the saitama fanboys ruined it all

[@dragonxyz100]

​​@@animoments8969 I am opm fan but also like some DBZ characters and watched movies . But DBZ fan can't do anything to me.😅

[@okaradragonicsaiyan]

That intro is right, you just cant win with some people lmao

[@ToasterXD]

Fax. Bros really making reddit post 😭🙏

[@okaradragonicsaiyan]

@@ToasterXD ikr

[@XD-xq5tv]

@@ToasterXD Dw just keep doing and just better ignore these attention seekers the more u gave them reply the more they bark on u

[@jordancantrell..]

​@@ToasterXDjust ignore the haters

[@patriciaadigwe3775]

​@@ToasterXDbut Goku is outerversal debate if you want tho but read daizenshu first and I would scale arale

[@TheKingchance23]

I wouldn’t count “composite yhwach” as different because the sternrieters powers all derived from yhwach. The only real different form I’d say there is would be after he absorbed the soul king

[@jrjunior8468]

But it's the only version we've seen so I think it should be a separate topic

[@Nihilism69]

This is what happens when people start judging something without knowing all the facts. Who the hell said all the sternritter's power originally belonged to yhwach? He might as well have just faded soul society all on his own from the beginning. How are people this ignorant?

[@TheKingchance23]

@@Nihilism69 this is what happens when a dodo bird decides to call others ignorant. A Sternritter is created when a Quincy drinks Yhwach's blood from the royal chalice, enabling Yhwach to carve a part of his soul into that Sternritter. This carving takes on the form of a letter, which is used as the designation of the Sternritter as well as granting them their unique powers. They’re normal quinces until yhwach blesses them. Try not being a clown and try having a conversation. Or at least fact check yourself man

[@TheKingchance23]

@@Nihilism69 and wow how butthurt are you that you decided to stop by my comment to be rude and wrong

[@Nihilism69]

@@TheKingchance23 That's not my point Thick head. Saying all the powers the sternritters wielded in the war were already in fact accessible to Yhwach is so erroneous it's a crime. Either you haven't read the source material or didn't pay attention. Either way you're being very stern about something you didn't carefully evaluate. Yhwach doesn't share powers he himself inherently possesses, the only power he had from the beginning was granting supernatural gifts to people in exchange for absorbing their souls after they died. He further explains, that when yhwach is done absorbing a soul, he retains all the person's ; memories, knowledge and powers. Like bro, why are you fighting for something that's inaccurate? Any decent bleach fan knows this. If you haven't read all the books, just say so.

[@Tempest1018]

People needa stop acting like im not the real person who was first

[@ToasterXD]

Fax you were first.

[@efkin_sakana]

Erm...well ackshually...

[@isaiahjohnson6809]

@@ToasterXD wait how tf did you comment this 34 minutes ago when he only commented this 19 minutes ago 💀

[@VergilEdits]

You want cookies ?

[@doriankamanzi6874]

@@isaiahjohnson6809 math

[@Th3Sandwich]

I feel for you bro, ppl will fight till their last breath for their opinions even if they're factually wrong.

[@Tairakrakan6372]

Just like people who think the earth is flat.

[@Ziyxl]

@@Tairakrakan6372no matter how much proof you’d provide otherwise they’ll still believe such rubbish

[@str9306]

@@Tairakrakan6372it is

[@remaiinsee]

Guys im pretty sure we got one right here@@str9306

[@RGOKEdit]

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[@deltalord6969]

It feels weird that yhwach supposedly has all the sternritter haxes but never uses them. Youd think something like the visonary used by a far more powerful and smart individual like him would be extremely useful for the situations yhwach found himself in. This kinda leads me to a couple of conclusions. 1: All the sternritter haxes have a limit to them regardless of how powerful the individual using them is and simply using the almighty is better or 2: By the time yhwach gains these abilities the reiatsu negation part of bleach was in effect, someone like ichigo just wouldnt be effected by the haxes something the almighty can bypass(to an extent). This would then apply to goku to since the gap between his power and yhwachs is so big i dont think even the almighty could save him.

[@mastersword506]

Wait it out, buddy. They may fix that in the upcoming anime episodes. The Manga Writer didn't want to write bleach anymore. So he rushed the ending. Albeit, I may argue that Ywach doesn't use them and that he doesn't need the other stern ritter powers. He just wanted to get their abilities for the Power AMP. The Almighty is literally the only hack he needs, lol.

[@tsuku445]

yhach doesn have the sternritter haxes, he gives the sternritters the power to awaken and use them

[@doriankamanzi6874]

Or the most logical one there is not a limit it is just that they forgot about him having all the powers and just used the all mighty because if he could use all the stertittets powers he could not lose they woudent even of been able to survive long enough to use the thing that stoped his powers for a little

[@DanielLopez-dv4uw]

Cz the almighty is more broken

[@vaidikchauhan4382]

@@mastersword506 bro it is not like he didn't have feeling to write rushed ending cause he was not enjoying or whatever the thing is his health was not good from the half of the tybw and his health got worsened throughout the time so he rushed the ending and left so many things which are getting fixed in anime by author and in the recent episode by the last moment of ichigo it looks like he will be getting almighty or some divine hax power

[@jonttu7116]

*Yhwach instantly alters the future to one where Goku gets heart disease and one shots him*

[@Nota6693]

1 Goku is stronger than Yhwach so his hex doesn't work 2 Goku can still fight well even if he has the heart virus

[@Kenos347]

@@Nota6693 A hearth disease literaly killed Goku in the original timeline.Yhwach can make that timeline become reality.

[@Nota6693]

@@Kenos347 Then why did he lose to Ichigo?

[@Kenos347]

@@Nota6693 Factor 1 Jugram had the All Mighty during the time he slept and covered the timeline where he died in a dream like state basicaly tricking Yhwach Factor 2 Uryu used "antithesis" on the arrow that was made to deactivate a quincies powers for a moment"basicaly the allmighty couldn't reverse it at that point because antithesis has the same potential as the Allmigthy Factor 3 Ichigo's zangetsu can cut trough fate itself

[@Rando1481]

@@Nota6693cause of fucking plot armor

[@psychicnecrosis8376]

This might be headcanon but I'm pretty sure that Ywach uses Gremmy's technique in tandem with The Almighty to destroy Zanpacto, the same way that Gremmy used it to turn Yachiru's bones into cookies. Additionally, I think Ywach used The Miracle to revive himself as essentially an energy (mimihagi) construct the same way that Gerard did (I think this is actually why he absorbed Gerard in the first place, as he was actually pressured enough to want a fail-safe). Additionally, it is very possible that Ywach used X-axis to penetrate Aizen, given the type of wound that Aizen received (a perfectly cylindrical hole of deleted space that should have been difficult to pull off on Aizen specifically because of his seals condensing his spiritual pressure for offensive and defensive ends). Hell, even the attack Ywach performed on Aizen where he basically ate Aizen while reconstituting his body could have been an implementation of one of the Sternritter Schrifts (the gluttony).

[@ToasterXD]

It’s a theory which is why Comp Yhwach and normal Yhwach are usually seperated but it might be the case just not confirmed

[@caseyhart4999]

@psychicnecrosis8376 I hope to god they make your headcanon the actual canon in the anime. I’ve had the same kind of thoughts about this for years. It never really sat right with me that Yhwach just casually takes out his two strongest remaining pieces left on the board for what seems to be no reason at all other than the obvious wrapping up of the series within 5 chapters lol. Having something as simple as Ichigo pressuring Yhwach and forcing him to do that would go a long way to fixing some of the issues with the ending.

[@Based4045]

Thats not the case considering Yhwach explicitly states that its with the Power of Almighty he got resurrected by REWRITING that FUTURE. "My Power alters the future. I can even Rewrite the FUTURE IN which i die."

[@Mephil]

@@Based4045its even more busted than that. He can see all future timelines, as well as alternate timelines and pick from those. So when he destroyed ichigo’s bankai, he picked a future in which it was destroyed and it retroactively changed the past and present so that it was already destroyed. In other words, the almighty allows him to see all possible futures AND change the past and the present to conform to the reality he wants to be true.

[@Vitou777]

I don't know about the X Axis, cause they never actually showed Yhwach absorbing him, and I heard that he's still alive somewhere in Soul Society, in one of the Light Novels. Pretty sure he didn't even eat Aizen either, just attacked him with some of his reiatsu. And he did explicitly say that he used the Almighty to revive himself, which just makes it even better honestly. And it's also pretty obvious that Yhwach can use the Almighty, even after he dies, so idk why people use the speed blitz argument, when him dying literally doesn't matter. Hakai also wouldn't work, cause Ichibei also tried existential erasure against Yhwach and it didn't do jack cause Yhwach saw the ability in the future, and it became powerless before him. Kinda went off topic there, but I guess the only one which he could've used is the Visionary, but it doesn't really make sense with the way you described it. Yhwach can foresee and alter the future, but you kinda make it sound like he can't alter the future and he can only do it if he has the Visionary. If he needs the Visionary in order to break Ichigo's sword, then what does him altering the future do? And you also said he used the Miricale to revive himself, so you pretty much make it sound like he can't alter the future. While I am one of the people who thinks he CAN use all of the Sternritter abilities, it was just never shown and your examples don't really add up. I really do hope they either give some kind of an explanation, or just straight up show him using the powers in the anime. The silver arrow will neg all of his abilities anyways, so why not?

[@flightdrip1322]

I just wanna say that Jiren is no way near beerus’ level, in the dbs manga it has been stated that jiren is only stronger than his own god of destruction and not all of them, furthermore in the manga we can see beerus literally playing with ssbe vegeta like it’s nothing which means beerus was holding back by a lot during their fight with Goku during the battle of gods

[@rustyssj9467]

I agree but it does seem like they keep making beerus stronger than previously portrayed.

[@Certifiied04]

​@@rustyssj9467 yeah mainly for plot convenience because theres no point of goku and vegeta to be training under beerus if they end up being stronger than him so soon

[@antoinepolnareff8970]

Beerus power was retconned as always

[@asoret]

@@Certifiied04 Yeah goku got beerus level or close, but got rewritten to be even stronger than ultra instinct when its suppossed to be a tranformation of angel level, that no god of destruction could learn yet

[@corruptcamerupt2344]

⁠@@asoretwell beerus has been shown to use it at least to some effect in the manga, but as pointed out by whis it’s not perfect. Which makes sense seeing how the mind set you need to tap in to ui vs ue or just g.o.d power in general are pretty different. But it does seem that ue is at least somewhat on par with ui in terms of power (at least in the hands of a mortal), so while it’s true that an angel is stronger then a god of destruction it wouldn’t surprise if it wasn’t by too much.

[@soopnoudle]

Previewing predictions: He's gonna say Goku wins, but I'm interested to see how he wins, cause I feel like Ywach's hacks are too insane

[@__.130]

The hacks are so insane but we have dragon ball characters bypass them by just getting stronger

[@Fw_Nox]

Yhwach Haxes are useless against Goku because Goku Dimensionality existence is beyond Yhwach

[@__.130]

@@Fw_Nox ye

[@mrafishonascreen2986]

@@Fw_Nox yhwach changed timelines of an entire universe and since physical universes have 11 dimensions to them and there are multiple physical realms in bleach each being a universe as well as an infinite void outside of those universes. yhwach still chooses a timeline where Goku turned into a monkey with a meth addiction who got betrayed and trapped in a hyperbolic time zoo.

[@aisaback6221]

​@@mrafishonascreen2986but both verses use multiverse theory so it's irrelevant. If yhwach goes to another timeliness where he wins he leaves a timeliness where he loses 1-1.

[@bdhdhdhdudh1549]

I’m surprised how people forget and don’t mention haki isn’t a instant death in goku’s hands and ywach has 3 powers besides the almighty that cancel haki being the visionary,the antithesis and the balance since all 3 of them can just deflect or destroy the haki

[@camronmcclary4093]

Miracle is also a broken ability

[@themortalone8889]

@@camronmcclary4093 He can't use miracle, Miracle is the power of gerards own self, not an ability granted by yhwach, this is because Gerard is the heart of the soul king

[@camronmcclary4093]

@@themortalone8889 your right I completely forgot

[@SleepyStreak]

​@@themortalone8889Except he absorbed Gerard, and anyone absorbed by Yhwach has their powers transfered to him. That's how he gained all the schrifts that he gives out to others.

[@jonsolo7343]

​@@themortalone8889which means nothing, he can still strip away his schrift

[@ginnungagapabyss5639]

Yeah yhwach with the 27 Sternritter powers would have a few ways to beat Goku, most of the powers wouldn’t be useful though. Abilities: A - Uryu Ishida (The Successor) Ability: The Antithesis - Allows him to switch anything that occurred between two objects or people. This is honestly a cheap, but effective way to beat Goku. B - Jugram Haschwalth (The Grandmaster of The Sternritter) Ability: The Balance - Allows him to redirect misfortune towards an opponent or enemy while absorbing. I do not see this working on Goku, but who knows absorbing worked in the past, but ultra instinct, and the power gap seems to be a problem for that power. C - Pernida Parnkygas (Schutzstaffel member Ability: The Compulsory - It is able to shoot nerves that can control a person's movements and can warp individuals parts. It also has the ability to evolve. Goku’s screwed of he plays around with Yhwach using this power, the evolution would make it so he could defeat Goku easily. D - Askin Nakk Le Vaar (Schutzstaffel member) Ability: The Deathdealing - He can control the lethal dosage of blood in a person's body and lower it to make it fatal to them. He can also create poison to take out his opponent. The blood part would probably not work on Goku, but poisoning him with ki is definitely a great way to defeat Goku, we saw how poisonous ki affected Gohan. E - Bambietta Basterbine Ability: The Explode - She shoots reishi bullets that transform whatever it touches into bombs,. Honestly it’s not as useful as the other powers, but maybe Yhwach could combine it with other powers, making it broken. F - As Nodt Ability: The Fear - He can induce fear into his opponent using fear thorns. This one would probably not affect Goku because of the power gap, and ki barrier, along with ultra instinct dodging it. G - Liltotto Lamperd Ability: The Glutton - She can consume anything she chooses using her mouth. Could be useful, but I do not see Yhwach using it, unless it’s one of those fights with Goku biting the main villain. H - Bazz-B Ability: The Heat - He can manipulate fire. 1 - Cang Du Ability: The Iron - He can make his skin iron which makes him invulnerable to physical damage. Basically Nova Sheron, it’s a useful power, but it would just be dodged, but if Yhwach infused it with the first captain’s bankai, it could be a very useful power. J - Quilgie Opie Ability: The Jail - He is able to create jails made of reshi that are inescapable to those who are non-Quincy. Yhwach could use the all mighty to trap him in it, but he could probably break out of it or just use his spirit fission, and genkai Dama training on the energy cage, honestly he might copy the powers of Yhwach. K - BG9 Ability: Schrift remains unknown but he has the ability to extract data from an opponent which possibly means his ability is "The Knowledge". It’s useful for adapting towards an opponent. L - PePe Waccabrada Ability: The Love - He is able to make people fall in love with him and make them do his bidding by firing heart-shaped projectiles. It wouldn’t work, and I do not think Yhwach would use it. M - Gerard Valkyrie (Schutzstaffel member) Ability: The Miracle - He is able to convert physical damage into increasing his strength and might which causes him to regenerate from physical damages while becoming stronger and larger. He could combine it with other powers, and it wouldn’t even be a fight, but Goku did deal with somebody with a similar power, but they were not immortal, but apparently the cross in the body is the weakness of that power. N - Robert Accutrone Ability: His schrift remains unknown although he is shown to be very fast which possibly means his schrift is "The Nimble". O - Driscoll Berci Ability: The Overkill - His power increases with each kill that he has. Not useful in a 1v1. P - Meninas McAllon Ability: The Power - She has superhuman strength. Q - Berenice Gabrielli Ability: The Question - She is able to induce self-doubt into an enemy. Probably wouldn’t work Goku’s body would react towards that. R - Jerome Guizbatt Ability: The Roar - He is able to create sonic screams. I’m not sure how useful that would be against somebody that could scream away the universe with ease, since Buuhan almost did that. S - Mask De Masculine Ability: The Superstar - He becomes more powerful and mighty with each cheers that he receives. Combine that with other powers, and have him create a army to cheer him on, and he’s unstoppable. T - Candice Catnipp Ability: The Thunderbolt - Candice can create lighting bolts to use as attacks. U - NaNaNa Naiahkoop Ability: The Underbelly - NaNaNa is able to analyze his targets reiatsu over a certain amount of time which allows him to determine an opponent's spiritual power distribution. He then implints his letter into the target and it forms grid patterns and he pinpoints hoeles which causes them to increase until the opponent's reiatsu deplets which knocks them out. Seems very effective, definitely a power to use. V - Gremmy Thoumeaux Ability: The Visionary - He is able to imagine anything which will become reality. Basically Janemba, but with extra perks. W - Nianzol Weizol Ability: The Wind - He is able to deflect anything that approaches him. Useful. X - Lille Barro (Schutzstaffel Leader) Ability: The X-Axis - He can pierce anything he shoots with perfect accuracy and he is able to be intangible. Sounds like Granola, but without the ability to see vital points, but he is made out of light. Y - Loyd Llovd Ability: The Yourself - He is able to copy a target's powers and abilities. Combined with all of the other powers, it’s child’s play for Yhwach to win really. Y - Royd Lloyd Ability: The Yourself - He is able to copy a targets appearance and memories. Memories are very useful, mainly with all of his other powers. Z - Giselle Gewelle Ability: The Zombie - She can control anyone with her blood once it touches their skin.

[@reaps2661]

Homie really broke down the whole alphabet of abilities

[@ginnungagapabyss5639]

@@reaps2661 I needed to look up most of them.

[@reaps2661]

@@ginnungagapabyss5639 who wouldn't lmao

[@NightmareX7288]

Bro you didn't have type that much but thx💀

[@ginnungagapabyss5639]

@@reaps2661 right

[@pikastudios2850]

I’ve heard some people say that since the planet sized universe in dragon ball is infinite, but nothing compared to the sky’s surrounding it, that the Dragon ball Macrocosm is 5D, not just Multiversal.

[@FrostByte_06]

Dbs cosmology is beyond 5d and can be scaled to 12d. It has infinite realms in infinite realsm it has a 6d hyperspace etv and infinite timelines and ,,worlds".

[@roywempor8395]

both are wrong, each universe has 2 universe, so 24 universes. bleach has infinite universes

[@M.A.I.N-h8u]

@@roywempor8395 Bleach has...3 ? or 4 I guess with hell ? Im pretty sure its at least NOT infinite. Tho I might be wrong

[@roywempor8395]

@@M.A.I.N-h8u aside from the 3 main realms and the dangai which are 5d, there are an unspecified amount of valleys of screams, from the cosmology map there are at least 12, but I was referring to the other timelines.

[@dino_mite8403]

Goku's base form gets massively stronger throughout super after the universe 6 tournament he gets at least 10 times stronger since he needed ssbkkx10 to contend with hit during the tournament to only needing ssb afterwards, goku would also gets possibly 1000s of times stronger than what he was at the end of the uni 6 tourney in the goku black arc since he was able to hold his own against merged zamasu with ssbkkx10 even though both him and vegeta were getting beaten by ssr goku black with relatively low effort, then after zamasu turns to infinite zamasu goku is somewhat confident that he would be able to stop him if only he had a senzu bean which I assume infinite zamasu is stronger than the corrupt zamasu that gave ssb vegito some trouble (at least in the anime), then after going ui for the first time he gets 500 - 1000 (depending on if he was ssj or ssj2) times stronger than what he was at the start of the TOP because he went from being manhandled in ssb by a raging out ssj kale to being able to fight an even stronger ssj kale while also fighting caulifla at the same time while being heavily drained, then it wouldnt be too huge of a stretch to apply that same or a bit lower of a multiplier after he goes ui for a second time

[@gamercentral2417]

In the manga he got stronger when he de transformed into god form

[@azxykook2379]

Goku need transformation because his base form is weak

[@dino_mite8403]

@@azxykook2379 obvious bait

[@dexecutioner8291]

​@@azxykook2379WEAK AHH BAIT, GOKU SOLOS BLEACH THE END, seeyalater.

[@azxykook2379]

@@dexecutioner8291 show me the cannon manga where goku solos the bleach

[@theex1836]

I understand the statement where abilities can be bypassed with someone or something being stronger, but it kind of just doesn't add up for the Bleach verse. Tsukishima was able to affect Ichigo with his ability and it's quite obvious Tsukishima is almost nothing when in comparison to his power within TYBW. Then there was also the plan where Orihime was meant to reject the existence of the Hogyoku, but she failed in doing so. When Aizen had explained, he said nothing of the Hogyoku being unaffected by Orihime due to there being a difference between their power. And then we have Aizen who was able to put Yhwach in an illusion, who was for sure on an entirely different level than Aizen after absorbing the Soul King. It may not be such a thing to push into the topic when you add universal scaling, but I just wanted to get my thoughts in

[@rudeboi7916]

you cant compare someones strength in bleach to gokus in DBZ

[@themarshian5124]

dbz fans are the kings of false equivalence.

[@demontiming3234]

That’s Bleach not Ki. Negating people’s abilities if they are weaker than you is apart of the DB power system so you can’t just ignore it to suite your narrative. On top of that, how are we forgetting about Aizen??? He literally was stated to be so strong that he was negating the abilities of the other shinigami using their abilities on him.

[@Vitou777]

Orihime was never shown trying to erase the Hogyoku, so you can't say that she failed. It seems like she never even got the chance to attempt it, but it probably wouldn't have worked, and idk how that's a part of your argument, as if Orihime is stronger than the Hogyoku. And doesn't the fact that Aizen was able to put Yhwach in an illusion just prove that he IS on his level?

[@princecheck11]

well blame Kubo bc even in the bleach verse being stronger cancels out attacks

[@xyonentertainmentproductio4909]

You know when people call you a Goku fanboy and a Goku hater You know you are doing something right

[@xenobulma]

11.40 vegito was turned into candy ball and still able to solo all one punch man 🤣

[@CertainlyCynical]

Yea pretty much😂

[@sinicule]

he isn’t really lying opm fans high ball saitama stronger than goku with such Crazy feats those crazy feats are sneezing the air from Jupiter lmao Toaster already proved that Saitama stops at Buu saga

[@xenobulma]

@@sinicule he still high balled him to buu saga. I still believe cell claps the hell out of saitama if we consider the statements stated for frieza in namek saga Being he was universal

[@aisaback6221]

​@@xenobulmanah bro, what your saying is complete dbz wank and opm lowball, saitama stops at buu saga, his best feat is at worst multi solar, and at best galaxy.

[@xenobulma]

@@aisaback6221 opm lowball stops at buu saga? Frieza was mentioned universal multiple times in the show. -_-

[@sirrw294]

Great video as always. Can't wait for the next yhwach video, even though his composite is completely hypothetical.

[@elbandito2990]

Im glad you did regular Yhwach instead of composite Yhwach because it gets boring at that point. Just him having The Visionary is broken since unlike Gremmy, I doubt Yhwach wouldnt be able to imagine himself stronger than Goku. Honestly the Visionary is stupidly broken depending on the users mindset.

[@mr.autumar8596]

Visionary plus almighty is just unbeatable

[@SleepyStreak]

There's no reason to not use it though, which is dumb... compositing is literally Yhwachs power. Thats how he got so powerful. Base form, he was a baby that couldn't even see or feel.

[@JewelzCohen]

shii where i scale goku he would still slam

[@SleepyStreak]

@@JewelzCohen Thats okay, you can be wrong

[@FatManJackson]

Isnt the character Yhwach supposed to be literally god? I dont watch or read Bleach, but he is clearly named after YHWH. So it makes sense that his powers are basically omnipotent when the inspiration for the character was god.

[@guyjsutguy9230]

This is why toaster is my fav power scaler on KZbin he’s not bias or playing favorites. Keep up the good work toaster.

[@masonking240]

If you do composite Yhwach can you also do composite Goku then as well using movie scaling ? The only thing this would really change would would be gokus speed but it gets stupid fast.

[@Doom_Guy_Slayers]

Is composite Goku even Canon?

[@Xero-rr2ol]

Comp goku negs beyond negs. Literally no concept of diff what so ever. Xeno goku in base is enough for comp yhwach tbh. And Xeno goku is only the 3rd or 4th strongest variant

[@carlangelo8694]

Bro you tryn to violate Yhwach pitting him against comp goku this goku is basically higher outerversal+ not even the booty clapper kratos can't beat him💀

[@Bananzia]

Base movie (dbz goku) slams the verse 😭 are u tryna accidentally solo bleach?

[@masonking240]

Ok everyone I was just saying goku scaling from the old movies not xeno or anything I know xeno or anything above that solos whole verse.

[@PrinceProfits]

Another thing, we don’t know if Ywhaches body needs to exist for almighty to work, i think it does bc after he is dead, and the effects of the arrow wear off his spiritual pressure still remains however, Almighty never takes affect, returning him to life

[@apexartist9618]

Hakai is erasing mind body and soul.

[@mrafishonascreen2986]

​@@apexartist9618and some of his powers are the legit embodiment of Nuh UH so much so he while not having power changed the future and gave himself all his powers and also exploded his enemy who was primordial into tiny meat chunks. He could probably just choose a future where goku gets cancer or overdosed on ketamine and just force the universe to become that future.

[@Bigtwinkissac209]

@@apexartist9618 you dragon ball fans can never read whis has hinted Immortal beings cannot be erased from hakai so no it’s not erasing soul just the body confirmed by beerus

[@apexartist9618]

​@@Bigtwinkissac209 lmao insulting someone while not having a clue of what you're talking about is crazy.... haki is stated to erase a person from existence completely across timelines. The only reason future zamasu survived is because of the time ring. That's why being erased or destroyed by beerus was such a big threat in a world where you can be wished back to life... they said there's no afterlife for them at all. You can quite literally see beerus erase a ghost too. Its like you said "confirmed by beerus'' like i didn't know that was a lie lol. Even if i didn't know, its one google/KZbin search away.

[@roam980]

It's funny how you go into detail about yhwach's almighty abilities and even stating how he could even alter the future, yet you blatantly ignore that factor because "goku stronger" and you ignore the other abilities yhwach possess such as blut, sank altar, heilig pfeil, or even just his manipulation of surrounding reishi in general, but I guess the whole "goku stronger" shtick is a compelling argument P.S. after battle of gods, goku got shot by one of frieza's fodder minions and began screaming in pain after that, think about that

[@mrafishonascreen2986]

And if Goku gets a little blood on him by a composite yhwach he just turns into a zombie with no free will.

[@DionAnims]

​@@mrafishonascreen2986lol😂

[@MisterLackLustre]

​@@mrafishonascreen2986Goku will not

[@AfricanWarriorMMA]

@@mrafishonascreen2986 The Zombie takes longer to activate depending on how powerful the Reiatsu of the victim is, so a drop of blood isn’t enough to work on someone like Goku who’s a trillion times more powerful. Even Buu Saga Vegeta overcoming mind control when being puppeted body and soul by the greatest wizard of the age who had enslaved the king of hell. It would not work

[@Svropre6]

People don't remember that Goku can suppressed his Ki into extreme, like Trunks when Fighting Mecha Freiza. Trunks suppressed his power level to 5 and can increase it billions to trillion of times within just mere seconds.. and one shot Freiza..this is likely Goku did do when he goes back to his base form when Serbei deliver a shot.

[@DaBossMn]

I’m actually curious about this whole Goku vs Nasuverse video you were considering doing. Is this something to look forward to soon, not for a while, or not at all?

[@Kaitothemaxon]

That would be pretty fun and interesting

[@kuro9138]

i think nasuverse is really hard to scale due to gaia not letting anyone destroy the planet. and pretty sure some people will think that fate characters are only continental but keep in mind that destroying a planet in nasuverse is kinda hard. heck if goku goes to nasuverse i am pretty sure he is on par with some divine spirits or lesser grand level (chinese mothman).

[@ToasterXD]

It will release very soon, it’s a video that I’ve been working on for months and it’ll be my longest video

[@empty3306]

CCC Gilgamesh would be enough for Goku but thats just my opinion

[@dudeekill4win]

​@@ToasterXDI bet it was a pain in the ass. I was a debate with a guy who constantly downplayed Gilgamesh despite the various universal statements and feats. Let alone all the higher dimensional feats

[@isaiahjohnson6809]

Also goku in the anime atleast skipped into the future with pure strength surpassing hits timeskip making him in ssjB Kaioken Not bound by time when going all out but that was only in that moment hes def alot stronger now and probably isn't trying to literally move into the future 24/7 💀

[@MizotoDGeto]

He did no surpass time he is still affected by time itself he can still age Hit time skip is like diavolo time erasure The pocket dimension we see is hit point of view but all of this happens in a split second because he skip straight to point C without reaching Point B that's how his ability works You can still move in it but it will be hard to know where he will hit you since all of that happens before you even know it And even so king kai litteraly stated that goku was only guessing where hit is going to hit him If goku really want to need be affected by time he need to be able to move in time stop , travel in time without using any machine Saitama is closer to achieving this goal that goku ngl (don't you dare bring a saitama vs goku debate cuz I already knows the outcome but not everyone agrees with it)

[@lukeskywalker9016]

Jiren was stated by shin to not be bound by time and goku goes on to surpass him

[@MizotoDGeto]

@@lukeskywalker9016 surpassing a character not bound to time doesn't make you not bound to time This achievement can only be done by yourself not by defeating someone If goku wasn't bout to time he wouldn't age at all and time stop wouldn't affect him at all but it still does

[@gamercentral2417]

In the manga it’s stated that the ability gets countered by ppl stronger than hit

[@dsm2417]

@@MizotoDGeto No Gokus physical body yes, but his power and ki are beyond time and space and this is consistent

[@MidFed]

Imagine Yuha using Visionary to turn Goku's bones to biscuits 😂

[@aidenmorenotrejo6094]

base goku one taps midha

[@MidFed]

@@aidenmorenotrejo6094 in your dreams kid

[@Smokeychees]

@@MidFed Imagine when goku resisted reality warping effected immagine when goku resisted law manipulation,immagine begin speedblitz and don’t even have the time to use the ability immagine try to use your ability but begin erased out of existence

[@gregkareem9824]

​@@Smokeycheesw

[@gregkareem9824]

​@@aidenmorenotrejo6094w

[@Link.ispada]

You have made one mistake Yahwach is 5D possibly 6D you scaled him to dangai which is just a small hyperscape in the graganta that holds many infinite 4D spaces and yhwach scales above it since he was obserbing and creating a new world

[@Yuri-tk1oi]

My takes on the final part. 11:07 - existence erasure vs yhwach Im pretty sure that wont work, sure it is erasure existence, but yhwach still has 2A range or infinite possibilities within the almighty, so that wouldnt work unless hakai had temporal exsitence erasure, which is impossible, as when beerus erased zamasu, future zamasu and goku black still existed. 11:28 - power > hax in dragon ball/verse equalization with bleach Its weird, vegito had the ability to mantain his powers indenpendent of his form, so thats not the case, hit's case is a weird one, as it can he argued he can do these because of his 4D AP and not because of power > hax. Other than this, theres no other cases for power > hax in dragon ball that i know off. Bleach hax negation is debatable, as something like soi fon's shikai works more like a offensive ability, and we never really see a defensive passive ability getting negated, like type 4 immortality that yhwach has. So this is a sketchy one. 12:00 - infinite possibilities within the almighty. Quite literally a impossible scenario unless goku is 5D, which would just make this debate pointless For what i think of this debate, goku is simply stronger and faster in every way possible, but simply cant kill yhwach no matter what. And because of his fate hax with 4D range, he can and will affect goku, and this can lead to his winning scenario. Due to candytime's arguements. I'd say its a incon.

[@candytime-_-]

First point Just to clarify, goku black and zamasu survived due to the time ring they had as stated by goku black himself. Beerus literally said that by him erasing this zamasu the other versions of him will cease to exist but that's obviously wasn't the case Second point Other instances of power greater than hax In db: Jiren breaking through hit's time cage due to sheer difference in power, frieza condensing the hakai technique goku also resisting existence erasure to some extent while in base form( said technique), resisting the effects of love manip in TOP, vegeta resisting babidi's mind control. The thing is the reiatsu negating hax argument only applies to Soul reaper vs soul reaper where the battle of reiatsu vs reiatsu determines the outcome of the fight( applies to hollows as well and vice versa) . That argument doesn't apply to the quincies as we've seen them literally using their abilities regardless of the opponent so I don't think goku's is just going to neg any of yhwach's ability with just raw power but only the ones he and other DB characters haves shown resistance to. OT: While I agree that goku has no way to put down yhwach permanently I also don't see yhwach putting him down at all. My opinion on this matchup is that this match ends up being a stalemate

[@Yuri-tk1oi]

@@candytime-_- fair, a incon it is

[@candytime-_-]

@@Yuri-tk1oi true , goku's powerful but he's literally a brick lmao 😂

[@omlandah]

​@@candytime-_-goku is so powerful he just ignores haxes. Thats how z fighters are, they don't have haxes but they have broken hax resistance.

[@candytime-_-]

@@omlandah like the time he nearly got killed by a durability negating attack from hit? like the time he got his body swapped by ginyu who was vastly weaker than him?

[@93xr]

This man is the only one I will ask for an unbiased opinion

[@SHINZAtachi]

Ywachs almighty renders him invulnerable to any power he has seen and he sees the future all futures and no it's not selective in a way that you can say a specific power is not affected by this because it is superior since he bypassed a reality alteration ability that left him without powers using the allmighty so even if you take his powers away by altering reality his power still works and he just becomes immune to that you can still kill him but he will just resurrect again and again there is only one way to finish him

[@fireknight12390]

So then how did Ichigo damage him?

[@SHINZAtachi]

@@fireknight12390 You have to understand that Yhwach could literally collapse all realities with a thought. Ichigo didn't register as a threat, because if it wasn't for the unique circumstances of Aizen having used Kyoga Suigetsu before Yhwach activated his Almighty to implant false visions, Uryu suspending his abilities with Stillsilver, and Ichigo subsequently overpowering him...there was no threat. He could literally unmake his own death retroactively. Mainly the Stillsilver arrow The arrow is like a kryptonite to him

[@step1saysomethingcontrover320]

​@@SHINZAtachiWhy didnt he rewrite his death... Ya know... After his death when parts of him still existed? I guess it wouldn't be interesting since they won't have that arrow anymore and Ywach would just one shot everyone who knows about the arrow, but still.... Just let my man have a believable death 😢

[@SHINZAtachi]

@@step1saysomethingcontrover320 When shot with it, all of his abilities will for a moment stop working. Ichigo used that brief window to kill him again, and apparently, Yhwach can't just immediately pop back if you kill him when his abilities are sealed. And normal sealing wouldn't work only arrow have power To seal his powers

[@SHINZAtachi]

I did a video about it so check it out

[@LiterallyGoku.]

10:42 it is actually stated during that fight to NOT be mostly beerus, and that each one of those punches could have destroyed the universe on their own, only failing too because Beerus and Goku kept perfectly punching eachothers fists, canceling out most of the force behind each punch as they clashed together.

[@JhonWill-k8d]

as Bleach fan i lowkey don't care who wins just here for a good time

[@Hvllow99]

Same. I love manga/anime anyways. I dont loose sleep over stuff like this. If people wana think Saitama can beat Goku or Madara beat Aizen idc. I disagree but also who cares its all good fun.

[@GLOCKTOBER]

“You’re wrong with no rebuttal” I feel that😔😔🙏🙏🙏

[@PeakFiction13]

im suprised i havent seen a goku vs rimuru or a goku vs anos video from this channel since those are also heavily debated

[@Did_I_ask]

Because someone's gonna pull the light novel out their ass and end it within seconds its not even fair

[@chaosblitz1352]

@@Did_I_ask Yeah Light Novels are so annoying. They can literally solo DBS in base because of the fucking light novel it's really frustrating.

[@master-oh6zn]

But Yhwach doesn't use Almighty directly on Goku, he uses it on the future to change it.

[@jaycash7490]

Exactly. Hes a Dragonball fanboy so he doesn't understand that.

[@Rando1481]

@@jaycash7490with the same yeah he destroys his hax cause of ki is like saying JoJo characters cant beat one peace characters cause they have haki or some shit

[@koz3ris252]

@@jaycash7490 you are low iq in short, goku is higher dimensionality being whit infinite speed hax dont apply to him from weaker being not to mention he needs to activate that shit and he gets speed blitzed.

[@koz3ris252]

you are low iq in short, goku is higher dimensionality being whit infinite speed hax dont apply to him from weaker being not to mention he needs to activate that shit and he gets speed blitzed.

[@chizzled_1]

@@jaycash7490 you can’t change the future if someone is stronger than you. Quit the yhwach glaze, doing tricks on it fr

[@kageyamatobio1850]

Alternative titles for your videos- Why I am the biggest gokutard/ How I started the "Can he beat goku tho" wave

[@LmfaoW]

Vegito in candy form still able to solo OPM 💀💀💀💀

[@supergoku67]

Lmaooo 😂

[@miftahuljannat3050]

Keep dreaming 💀

[@MrRamenNoodles69420]

Wdym hes not wrong candy vegito>>>>>>>OPM​@@miftahuljannat3050

[@GuraGuraSSJ]

@@miftahuljannat3050keep coping

[@miftahuljannat3050]

@@GuraGuraSSJ you can keep dreaming buddy 🤣 dreams are never reality 👍

[@quirkyquasi5190]

The Gods of destruction also have a range of strength. Beerus may be the strongest. And saying Jiren is stronger than A god of destruction, doesn't mean every god of destruction. Plus Beerus base being at the level, knowing Beerus has Ultra Instinct, means he could tap into that if he ever felt it was a close fight and then wouldn't be touched at that time. So no, at that time goku isn't stronger than Beerus, neither is Jiren. Even if they're stronger than Rat God of Destruction.

[@IanAOK]

Yeah it was weird that he said that I mean wouldn’t the series technically be over then, beerus would of had his final climactic fight with goku he’s been waiting so long for lol

[@magspy]

Its cause these youtubers say anything for views. They play ignorant with bad one liners and stretch them. They take parts of the anime and ignore anything in it that disproves them. IE vegeta being way stronger than versions of goku and him in tournament of power arc and still getting one tapped by beerus casually. @@IanAOK But hey its easier for these youtubers to be dented in the brain. The world needs clowns after all ;o

[@trenth9065]

Beerus is stated as the strongest or joint-strongest with Quitela, per the Manga God of Destruction mini-tournament that took place pre-ToP. Jiren was stated by Whis as stronger than Beerus, and thus, all Gods of Destruction.

[@nohayun9375]

​@@trenth9065 yeeeeeahno.. sorry but is stated to be stronger than A god of destruction, not all of them Whis: “I dare say… like a God of Destruction. He is one who has reached that state.” Whis: “Perhaps even surpassed it” Whis: “There is a universe where lives a mortal even a God of Destruction can not defeat” Whis: “It appears that rumor is true”

[@victorn2555]

you do know what the word perhaps means?@@nohayun9375

[@Hallow6262]

Something to add is that when the Vegeta and Nappa were on their way to Earth Fortune Teller Baba was asked to see what the future holds and she said she could not see any of the individual futures of the Zfighters and the Saiyans making it possible that Yhwach isn't even able to see Goku using the Almighty

[@godzilla4940]

The almighty is all seeing. The only way the almighty can’t see or predict someone’s future is if they have a connection to the soul king. That’s the only limit to the almighty in regards of seeing the future. So that argument is pointless no offense.

[@abhijeetgolder7535]

​@@godzilla4940uhh may i add something . You know darvin from mutants in Marvel his hax is ADAPT . That mf hax can predict opponent easily adapt his charecter to make him win . His hax made him adapt to death making him immortal . But against world breaker hulk his hax simply teleport him away. Now if you have brain understand what I wanna say

[@godzilla4940]

@@abhijeetgolder7535 I don’t understand how that’s relevant but alright. Anyway Darwin’s mutant power is different than yhwach’s almighty. One has limitless evolution and the other has future sight and reality alteration. Elaborate what you’re getting at.

[@abhijeetgolder7535]

@@godzilla4940 shh yhawch almighty sees POSSIBILITIES same as de strange and analyse it for yhawch and manipulate it for him to win . Cause bleach doesn't have actual multiverse . And Darwin adaptation is similar it's extent in comic is stated unknown and when it meets an opponent where it can't do anything it's finds best way for him to survive . Same YHAWCH ability after analysing everything just tp away him .

[@abhijeetgolder7535]

@@godzilla4940 and future sight is not op seriously yhawch got shocked with his future sight . And countless charecters in manga and other series have fked up pepole with that ability . Yhawch have slightly different it tries to alter the the course of action for him to win after many runs . Like how Dr strange saw 14 million possibility and found one for them to win . That's how he alter the future . Otherwise he shouldn't been defeated no matter who is involved . But that's not the case .

[@boahblank9644]

Was kinda surprised when he said goku wins until he then clarified it was base ywach pretty much and not with all the sternritter abilities then i was like ahhhh ok makes sense

[@Direct0.6]

He used Soul king Yhwach, also for sternritter's abilities, isn't composite Yhwach is hypothetical person?

[@malikthomas8452]

Goku still wins no future will give him the strength to beat Goku

[@boahblank9644]

@@malikthomas8452 cap goku would literally get bodied by a sternritter alone so all mighty is above him for sure not because he lacks stats he definitely has the stats to match but because he lacks hacks and resistances to certain abilities that would fodderize him

[@malikthomas8452]

@boahblank9644 I don't think you're dumb ass even watched the video he named the feats Goku base destroys all three worlds I'm bleach dumm

[@Idksleep-mh7tq]

@@boahblank9644all of the sternritters can attack at once but they all get hit by 100000000 hakais individually because they cannot come close to reacting to goku.

[@midxbroly]

Bro is your channel monetized? Great info and thanks❤

[@ToasterXD]

Not yet, I am not of the age required for monetization

[@fedydespooky7025]

11:40 NAH THE STRAY AT OPM IS CRAZY BUT DESERVED 😭

[@MetalKnight0]

11:43 Empty Void basically solos all of Dragon Ball. Being turned into a candy is very weak hax compared to other verses, so it should not be used to negate literally every other hax of other verses; also remember Zeno’s hax works on people that are physically stronger than him, like Jiren etc who move so fast that Zeno can’t even comprehend that speed.

[@tnuhenaj3752]

Yhwach is just the kind of character who is no fun to talk about because theres no middle ground. If you don't impose any limits on his ability then he is impossible to beat because he can literally revive himself. And unlike other characters with revival powers it doesn't even matter if he gets blitzed. On the other hand though if you impose limits on his power then it is equally boring since he will just lose to every character stronger than him he might as well be a guy with only raw power. Furthermore we don't know the limits of the almighty but its untrue that he can only manifest futures that hes capable of making himself. Ichigo is so much stronger than yhwach that he one shot him twice. In normal circumstances there is no future in which yhwach breaks ichigo's bankai or horn. Yet with the almighty he did both instantly. So its just a massive question mark that can never be answered. If he has no limit to what future he can manifest he can just make the future be that goku dies even though he never did this in bleach when he should've. Same for gremmy i guess but gremmy is proven to have limits shown by him needing to make more bodies to achieve certain feats Gojo is the biggest example of this because even though yhwach makes him look completely fair and balanced gojo is much more popular and well known and also gojo needs like 20 abilities to get that strong and tons of BS explanations of how nothing works on him while yhwach only needs one. Anyway imo these characters are badly designed for these discussions and for battles inside their own series too. Tbf tho it isn't like goku is much better. With him it just comes down to a stronger character than him will beat him and a weaker one will lose. The only discussion is which of goku's feats count as feats and which ones don't. In terms of pure stats it actually is close if you count gremmy's galaxy room and the soul king holding together the dimensions/creating them in the first place as usable feats. One thing people arguing about the size of dimensions in bleach pass over without seeing is that muken underneath soul society was said to be infinitely large by unohana. So even if the world of the living isn't our universe (which i don't see why it wouldn't be) soul society is confirmed to stretch on for infinity. So thats at least one universe at a minimum. If we assuming all realms are comparable in size thats 3 or more universes and the kicker is the garganta surrounding them was also said to go up in smoke if the soul king dies by ganju or something i can't remember. That garganta is basically the hyperuniverse that dragonball has. An endless void around infinitely large universes. However it should be noted yhwach couldn't handle the totality of the soul king's power anyway so he doesn't scale. The new anime showed ichigo was able to handle the soul king's power though which makes sense because he is shown to be way stronger than yhwach, hax not factored in. But i'm not stuck into this VS stuff enough to know whether either of those things count or not. These discussions always devolve into favoritism anyhow. I feel like the soul king physically separating the primordial realm into the rest (which is essentially creating them) is much more solid than saying hes that strong because his life is holding them together. That leaves a bit of room for doubt. Personally i think the multiverse stuff in bleach and the super multiverse stuff in dragonball is all kinda bullshit because in most of the fights the scale of every attack is nowhere near that level.

[@piolho-hakushou]

I think, in the end, this is up to opinion, is yhwach's allmighty so strong that goku's stats are irrelevent or is goku so powerfull that allmighty is irrelevent

[@starhalv2427]

Small correction: Jiren is stronger than destroyer of HIS universe, not all destroyers. So it's still possible Beerus is stronger than Jiren. And considering that in a short skirmish between all destroyers Beerus was one of two last ones standing while Belmod chose to pretend to be unconscious makes me think Beerus is far stronger than the majority of destroyers- by how far is probably impossible to tell.

[@edwincolon1980]

man i love that he is not bias man its so hard to to get channels that aren't bias in one way or another plus loved the video ima subscribe defenitely

[@Mephil]

Yhwach will win no-diff. The reason for this is that we KNOW there is a timeline where Goku died from the heart virus. And Yhwach can just pick that reality and make it part of his current reality. Goku would cease to exist before they even encountered each other because Yhwach would already know they would come to fight at some point and that he could lose in a physical fight.

[@fwseyzu]

Goku will kill yhwach before HE dies or if he does die of the virus

[@Mephil]

@@fwseyzu He can't, from Goku's perspective he will never meet or even know that Yhwach exists. He will simply die from the heart virus never knowing that Yhwach tampered with the timeline.

[@11billioncrabz]

There was one another thing that wasnt said about yhwach almighty is that he can see into infinite futures and change alter them at will

[@watchalong7404]

Title should be "I skimmed through bleach in order to explain Goku's powers for the Nth time, you're welcome"

[@11billioncrabz]

@@watchalong7404 bruh exactly lol

[@key2shawn154]

@@11billioncrabzif goku is so powerful to the point where even if he tries to alter the future he can’t you remember goku has heightened senses and can red minds goku has went through similar opponents like granolah this is nothing new to him

[@11billioncrabz]

@key2shawn154 do u realise that yhwach has had way more battle experience than goku? Do u realise that yhwach in his strongest state is that on par with the god bleach which his very existence stops all dimensions from collapsing and even possibly the universe cause off some areas being infinite space my man yhwach has so many things up his sleave u couldn't even know

[@technobladeneverdies5318]

@@watchalong7404 For real. The glazing on goku is just too high

[@mewowdab6903]

Bro is the next seththeprogramer

[@llRipk]

Let’s hope not💀🙏🏾

[@40mihirkulkarni44]

Please no

[@oatstraw]

bro what happened with him i keep seeing memes about it

[@tuxedeoboi9155]

Mad respect for you for making this video, and just in case, I am so sorry if anyone starts being stupid and starts harassing you because of this video. You made a good argument

[@kujoova]

If you’re going to use Composite Yhwach, you have to use Composite Goku (not even a contest).

[@Julio9j11j]

I've always said just having ki gives you abilities negations if you are stronger than them if you are not then you can't cuz I've always heard that just because they have an ability they cant overpower it because they're not the same power system but in my opinion ki has the ability to just negate stuff if you are stronger

[@benrockefeller6334]

When it comes down to it, ki can effectively do anything. Flight, telekinesis, energy blasts, sensing, teleportation, energy draining, elemental control and creation, temporal manipulation, reality shattering, potential unlocking, healing, resurrection, power boosting, gigantification, miniaturization, self-automaticity, total annihilation, body hardening, and the list really does go on. Beerus could even just nullify energy completely. When a singular power has this many applications, it is fairly easy to see why it may be considered superior to other abilities. When compared to Chakra, Magic, Reiki, Quirks, etc., Ki truly is in another league.

[@amosedeaghe1368]

Reishi actually works in a similar way. Aizen explains when he fights the Gotei 13 that when a shinigami uses their ability it's fueled by reishii and since his reishi massively overwhelms them their abilities are void on him. this was the reason why soifon couldn't kill him after two stings and why shinji's shikai was ineffective. Although it does seem ki is better at doing this as it starts its negation in the 50 to 75% range while i'm unsure about reishi

[@jocoolshow]

@@benrockefeller6334Reiatsu and Reiryoku from Bleach does that and more than Ki, and is more haxed since it’s fundamentally soul based and attacks mind, body and spirit

[@benrockefeller6334]

@@jocoolshow Reiatsu and Reiryoku are fundamentally physical forces that can damage souls, but don't damage them directly unless the soul is anchored to a physical form, such as the bodies generated in the Soul Society, or the body given to Ryuka Kuchki (been a while since I watched Bleach so please forgive my butchering of some of these names). As proof, we've seen an ordinary wooden staff affect hollows, despite having no spiritual properties. Destruction Energy, which in theory any character in DB can learn, as it is a ki-based ability, can destroy both soul and body, and even affect alternate timelines. Even without that though, we've seen plenty of cases of ki affecting the dead, including the entire Otherworld Tournament Arc, which despite being technically non-cannon, does support events in the Buu Saga, where Goku takes damage multiple times despite being dead.

[@jocoolshow]

@@benrockefeller6334 They do damage souls directly, it just hasn’t been showcased often since 99% of the people in the series are actually souls or have extreme levels of soul hax resistance But we see for sure they attack souls directly early on in the series where Orihime’s brother Sora quite literally smacks her soul out of her body without interacting with her physical durability, and we see it again when Yammy and Ulquiorra enter the living world and Yammy directly attacks the souls of everyone in Karakura Town for a wide range around him as well as directly crushes Tatsuki’s soul by simply being in her presence As for Ki affecting souls, it can, but only at the highest level. It works in other world because the other world fighters were given their physical bodies back to fight and train. They’re similar to Bleach’s ‘physical’ souls. We’ve seen that people like Dabura who’s a demon king and resides in a plane of existence outside the living universe or strong individuals like Buu Saga Vegeta can’t do anything without their bodies. But when Goku or Vegeta get their physical bodies back despite being dead, they still physically interact with everything similar to Bleach. But unlike Bleach we’ve seen in Dragon Ball Super that the intangible souls of even fodder (power wise) like the Dr Slump ghost was unable to be interacted with by DBS Goku and Vegeta iirc (I don’t remember the episode that well), but was *only* able to be dealt with by Hakai which sort of breaks the rules of normal ki interactions as destruction energy is special As for Bleach characters physically being touched and what not in the living world…yes, it’s been stated that strong soul beings have dense reishi particle that are dense enough to physically interact with the living world. However, it’s been said later on when Ichigo was training with Urahara that despite being able to physically be touched, souls can’t be damaged or harmed by physical attacks, only soul based attacks and weapons. This extends to the mind as well, as Bleach is unique in the fact that spiritual energy and the soul affects the mind and memories as well as shown in memories of nobody and recently in the anime with the Soul King’s spiritual energy quite literally implanting his memories into Ichigo and such People like Aizen could come back from existence erase from Ichigo’s Mugetsu. We’ve seen Transcendent Aizen’s passive Reiatsu is existence erasure for weaker beings that can’t perceive his power, and Aizen specifically stated that he couldn’t perceive Final Getsuga Ichigo’s power to the point where he wondered if he was in a higher plane of existence, and Ichigo condensed all that power into a single attack. Which also has the properties of Quincy that erase souls from existence layered on top of Ichigo’s transcendent reiatsu being existence erasure. As for affecting time, weaker beings like 3rd Fusion Aizen was able to destroy the Cleaner, which is immune to spiritual energy and governs space and time (as stated by the databooks). With the Dangai being a hyperspace as stated in certain translations of the manga and in the canon novels. So something that governs space and time in the context of a higher dimension. As well as being the embodiment of the concept of logic and reason…whatever that means for hax potency. And again, Ichigo’s power surpassed that and Aizen still was able to come back So I don’t see Hakai being able to kill Yhwach. It’s AP is higher than his durability and it will destroy his body and soul, but his regeneration and post death revival scales above Hakai in terms of hax potency Destruction energy affects and can existence erase the physical body and soul across time which is a higher level than regular ki Reiatsu can affect the physical body, souls directly and the mind, and Transcendent Reiatsu does that + existence erasure on things that are completely immune to regular Reiatsu, governs space and time within a hyperspace, and is pure logic and reason So in terms of AP, Hakai is most likely stronger considering how Goku scales compared to Yhwach (if we give Anime Goku’s stronger than Beerus scaling with Manga Goku’s ability to use Hakai that is, since if we use pure manga than manga Goku is alot weaker than anime Goku scaling wise), but AP doesn’t matter as Yhwach can come back after he dies, and his resurrection/regeneration should be far above the hax potency of Hakai even if the attack potency shreds him

[@scottvgamer1163]

I’d say Goku IS stronger than Yhwach on his own. But in regards to who’d win, I think it ultimately depends on how the Almighty works exactly and whether it has any limitations. Can it change the future in ANY way the user wants, or is it limited by the user’s strength. For example, what if Kon had the Almighty and wanted to use it to break a giant boulder. Would it work, or not do anything because him, as a plush, is too weak in order to realistically do any damage. I’m not sure if Goku would negate his hacks just because he can do the same to abilities in HIS series. And although that’s how it works in Bleach, they’re still both operating under different power systems. Blitzing Yhwach wouldn’t really work either because he can bring himself back with the Almighty, unless Goku kills him BEFORE it’s even activated (but for the sake of this, let’s assume they’re both already in their strongest forms).

[@victorampo1137]

The almighty can’t affect beings on a higher plane. Like how Ywach couldn’t see Mimihagi’s intervention

[@AnimeTrap69]

​@@victorampo1137the almighty doesnt work on the soul king since its his ability. Never stated it cant work on higher existences

[@0motiontankk]

@@AnimeTrap69it’s simply common sense a 3d-4d being isn’t hurting a 6d being or using hax on them via out scaling or simple hax resistance

[@AnimeTrap69]

@@0motiontankk nah

[@Itachi_D_Kuchiki]

@@victorampo1137 It does work. It just dont work against the original user, the Soul King ... Of course it does not work against itself. Since Yhwach is without a doubt the strongest character in Bleach - and a transcendet one - it is unclear, if it would work, because in Bleach nobody stands above him

[@honeybeeisgoat]

Cosmic garou: can I get a separate copy of the assignment?

[@God-King-Yhwach_The_Almighty]

Actually, I'm pretty sure that in the manga it was stated that each realm is ITS OWN UNIVERSE, not just galaxy, but UNIVERSE. And I'm pretty sure that the manga said that he nearly destroyed them with just the wave of his hand.

[@DmanManman]

give me the exact page it said that "erm im actually pretty sure that in the manga it was stated that each realm is ITS OWN UNIVERSE, not just galaxy, but UNIVERSE. And I'm pretty sure that the manga said that he nearly destroyed them with just the wave of his hand"🤣

[@nottheshad0w]

Its not even close. After absorbing soul king. Yhwach becomes omnipotent. While current Goku is around Multi Universal or extra dimensional. So this fight isnt even close. Even if Yhwach dies, he can change his future to way he wants it to be. So even if he dies, he's never truly dead. Even if Goku somehow ends up beating Yhwach. He'll just come back stronger since he's immortal.

[@jafsjafs8820]

It does not matter coz DBS Goku would solo all bleach characters. just accept that fact soyboy.

[@kn1ght90]

b..b..but he has Almighty 🤓 Cry about it bleach fantard

[@jafsjafs8820]

@@kn1ght90 the only almighty is my ass😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

[@gregkareem9824]

Dbs base goku bodies the verse badly yhwach is low universal goku with cosmology and feats is outerveral or higher personally me I got him at high outer to boundless crazy part is beerus whis grand priest Zeno are still stronger

[@jafsjafs8820]

@@gregkareem9824 maybe he will surpass them all.

[@RealLifeIronMan]

This argument is so dumb. Goku is not negating end of manga Yhwach's abilities by having more energy, since Goku would never get in range of Yhwach. Given this Yhwach sees all (including all futures) and bends reality to make it match his wishes, Goku will never surprise Yhwach or avoid Yhwach bending reality to make Goku powerless. In addition, it is heavily implied Yhwach has infinite reishi, so Goku with his limited ki isn't likely to negate that anyway. This video reeks of you knowing Goku can't win and you chose to ignore facts that are inconvenient to you.

[@GOATAMAopm]

Bro ToasterXD you should not be getting hate man your stating facts to these idiots that don't listen but much love man w vid as always oh and could you make more vids on saitama!!!

[@smellycheeseanimeyes5911]

why did bro delete the first video 😭

[@Rejues]

It got blocked

[@hope14359]

I respect and love how you always say your honest pov disregarding if people like it or not and make sure to give the right explanations to keep going man you have a long journey 💖

[@Melikith]

Agreed. Though It's nice that this clears up the Stronger tier bleach character's aren't planetary, or continental, and are much higher.

[@darkpie1000]

In character: Yhwach negs Bloodlusted: incon but leaning towards yhwach Goku has no way of putting down Yhwach. (Hakai is a nonfactor when yhwach came back from a more powerful extience erasure by ichibei. Plus yhwach would see the attack coming with the all mighty and goku is inexperience with the technique) Also, its hard to blitz someone who has the ability to see infinite futures passively. Meaning infinite speed perception lol. Unless goku has immeasurable speed (too much of a stretch Regardless yhwach is basically immortal so no real victor hear unless yhwach sees a future where goku cant survive in space and realizes he cant breath so he destroys the universe and then proceeds to create a space around goku like gremmy and goku suffocates. Or goku dies of old age Otherwise its incon Also, yeah, composite yhwach stomps the shit out of goku bloodlusted or not.

[@confused4069]

Y'all literally don't understand how the almighty works It sees a future and then shifts into that one future And no the futures are not infinite I don't know where u got that reta.. goon as.. scaling, yhwatch himself said the futures are like grain of sand, no one has ever stated that the futures are infinite nor it's possible And u don't need inaccessible speed to beat yhwatch, aizen and ichigo both of them don't even have infinite speed yet they can react and fight yhwatch In order to beat this ability u have to become massively stronger than ur opponent And no u can't teleport someone from one place to another because if it was possible then he would have done the same against ichigo and aizen, throwing them in the space and killing them, the ability can change the future but it's limited because if there was no limit then yhwatch could have shifted to a future where ichigo and aizen are defeated and he's victorious but he didn't since it's power are limited and yhwatch didn't wanted to take any risk against ichigo cuz he broke ichigos bankai because it was dangerous which just proves that it's power are limited And yhwatch can't instantly destroy and re-create a new universe as we have seen in the manga, if he can instantly destroy and re-create then he would have done that the moment he absorbed soul king and ichigos powers he need time to destroy and re create, there's no ducking way to proves that he can snap his finger and destroy the future, And Goku is lot faster than yhwatch, so yhwatch destroying planet ain't gonna work either, Goku can just teleport to another planet or just slam him before he can even do anything Yhwatch is barely universal while Goku is low multi to multiversal

[@roywempor8395]

​@@confused4069 he sees all futures at the same time constantly

[@confused4069]

@@roywempor8395 yeah but we haven't seen him returning from almost nothing, Goku is way above him so his attack will turn him into dust, even against ichigo he was only cut in half,

[@roywempor8395]

@@confused4069 he literally died twice against Ichigo, also no Goku isn't stronger than him.

[@confused4069]

@@roywempor8395 yeah he died twice but his body was never destroyed completely, Current Goku is way above the tournament of power vegeta, who overpowered the hakai energy

[@browniez816]

Simple answer to the debate: Goku > Yhwach Hax don't work on higher dimensionality.

[@fahimmaf2469]

Kubo actually messed up when he create Yhwach, he just too op. Luckily, Plot came in😅

[@5aiv.]

i agree with this 100% if it's a bloodlusted goku who will just blitz him. now, if this is in character goku yhwach slams since he'd have plenty of time to see into all different types of futures, he'd steal his powers, nullify everything, and boom

[@tmo_0]

I dont know why ppl keep saying "OoH welL he caN jUs bLiTz him" when Yhwach can simply rewrite futures in which he has died even if hes dead so the simple statement of him just being blitzed makes no sense

[@candytime-_-]

You just admitted that he still can get blitz but survives due to the fact that he can alter the future in which he died. It absolutely makes sense he still can be blitzed

[@tmo_0]

@@candytime-_- Sure you can blitz him but he will just come back and be able to predict all further outcomes

[@tmo_0]

@@candytime-_- I’m saying people using that as a win con makes no sense since he can come back an inf amount of times

[@candytime-_-]

@@tmo_0 hence why this matchup is a stalemate :)

[@rifarira9160]

But doesnt he requires to be concious to access it, or is it the same like izanagi which you can set so it would active automaticly after the triggers active? I kinda forgor. Here's the thing, if he have to be conscious then Goku can just blitz him before he can think about using his ability.

[@Aros-pr2xr]

Fun video… and depending on the situation I could genuinely see this go either way so I do appreciate your take

[@wizels1403]

I’m gonna be honest with you. Yuha is so broken that the creator himself probably didn’t know how to give him a weakness. Infinitely reviving yourself and altering the future has to be the most busted thing in all of existence

[@victorampo1137]

The almighty doesn’t work against beings with a higher level of power. Like how Ywach couldnt see Mimihagi

[@kachiedits6231]

Nah theres even more busted stuff take kimugawa for example The dude could literally rewrite your anime 😂😂😂😂

[@Nothoughtheadempty.]

Acausality Type 4 would nullified Almighty.

[@LavonteRay]

@@victorampo1137The almighty ability came from the soul king so it doesn’t affect the soul kings hands. It would work on goku.

[@victorampo1137]

@@LavonteRay no it wouldn’t

[@chee-o-tee]

I don't care who wins as long as bleach scaling gets the justice it deserves

[@2k_blackironoverseer595]

Do Yami (Black clover) vs Shanks (One Piece) for ya dawg 🙏🙏🙏

[@Shushi-]

I actually like this idea imo I think shanks can win

[@jaylanwashington9521]

​@@Shushi-Guh I'm pretty sure Yami would win

[@KaleelLewis]

​@@jaylanwashington9521isn't Yami Mulit planetary and shanks low star lvl. Im pretty sure shanks wins

[@Memerproductions]

yami solos the verse

[@unfestivized4777]

​@@Memerproductionsfr he's a a low solar system idk what there talking about

[@jeremiah394]

Why did you delete the vid?

[@ToasterXD]

It was blocked

[@UnwantedGhost1]

​@@ToasterXDBy who? Toei Animation?

[@A62643]

​@@UnwantedGhost1no because of copyrighted music the sme blocked it Sony music entertainment

[@jeremiah394]

@@ToasterXD oh Alr, btw great scaling

[@ningnings_world]

@@UnwantedGhost1 all my homies hate Toei Animation

[@WhitGodAllThingsArePossible]

Jesus Christ loves you and died for your sins, everyone sins and deserves hell but Jesus (God) died for our sins paying the price of them, believe that and be Saved

[@leonitWasGehtSieDasAn]

11:52 But Ginyu was much weaker than goku and the body switch still worked Even in dbs he was a frog and swiped Body with one of freezas crew?

[@TheWorstLos3r]

Before I watch the video I feel like goku got it, even with all mighty i think goku will just pounce him in every possible future😂

[@DRASERUS]

There's infinite future there could be a future where goku had an heart attack mid battle and die lol

[@TheWorstLos3r]

@@DRASERUS you no goku can use hakai and it’s over right

[@DRASERUS]

@@TheWorstLos3r you know that he can see the future right? Yhwach know everymove goku gonna do and he can't use hakai

[@technobladeneverdies5318]

"Nothing He Sees Can Harm Him" - This is what was stated in the Bleach Manga

[@waack2410]

If you were to take comp Yhwach into consideration, then wouldnt you also have to use an alternate form of Goku?

[@ToasterXD]

No. Composite Yhwach isn’t a alternate version of Yhwach, it’s just Yhwach but he can use his true abilities

[@CJ-qv4sd]

@@ToasterXDdon’t think anything changes since most of the schrifts are haxed based so it wouldn’t affect Goku due to the power difference like you said.

[@CertainlyCynical]

@@ToasterXDgoku still slams🤷‍♂️

[@CertainlyCynical]

@@CJ-qv4sdprecisely!

[@jirenthegray5776]

@@ToasterXD So basically alternate Yhwach since Yhwach can't actually use those abilities

[@Andifreakster]

Yhwach changes his reality with the Almighty, it has nothing to do with power level or ki of the opponent. He changes what he experiences and he can see in the future and the past at the same time. The only way to beat this ability is by having it too or changing the perception of the reality of the wielder (as demonstrated by Aizen and Haschwalth in the Manga) to manipulate how the wielder uses the ability in the hopes of killing him before he realizes what happened.

[@philipryanbasas973]

he can see in the future and past but that useless againt goku UI whis said that even hit time skip cant beat goku UI

[@tomspreadbury2915]

No Yhwach in any reality can even trigger Goku's sense of touch. Nothing he throws at Goku would work. Yhwach also has to be able to use his ability. Goku is billions of times the speed of light at this point. Yhwach would die before he could even use Almighty for the purpose of the fight Even if he could, there would be no future he could win in. Nothing in the entire BV even hurts Goku. Like, the only thing that maybe could is the X-Axis (and that's only if hax isn't nullified like in DB), and even then Goku just Zenkai boosts and becomes stronger.

[@tomspreadbury2915]

@@ameramhapha clearly didn't watch the video Kid Goku at the first Budokai arc would win, forget current Goku You Bleach-tards give Yhwach made up powers. He doesn't manipulate reality freely. He is still restricted to what he can physically perform/do, hence he made Ichigo step on Zanpakuto, rather than erasing him from existence. This wouldn't even break base Goku's skin and this was the best Yhwach could come up with to kill Ichigo. Yhwach would die of old age before he's absorbed all of Goku's Ki (assuming Ki = Reiatsu). Goku literally could spend the rest of his life ignoring Yhwach is even there, and still win without lifting a finger. Dude can sneeze with enough force to kill everything that exists in the BV

[@Delimon007]

@@philipryanbasas973 He's not stopping time he's literally warping reality to be what he wants it to be 😂

[@mrafishonascreen2986]

@@atatsuke101 yhwach had enough power to while being a hollowed out husk by the end of the manga stabilized the entire bleach Cosmology including 3 universes a separate space time, an infinite void infinitely larger than realms containing things described as infinite as well as a higher realm. That was the version of yhwach that was literally mummified and stripped of any internal organs yet him simply existing with the portion of his true power was enough to be a 2nd soul king.

[@chasedog501]

Bro I'm just happy to see someone finally not downplay bleach and say "ichigos best feat was destroying hills"

[@kye9984]

Yhwach's thing, is, always using somebody to get stronger and live longer, he takes the matured abilities and knowladge of every Sternritter/Shutztaffel member to get himself stronger. Just like he did it when he was a baby, that's his natural ability. If we talk about Yhwach without his all capabilities, any Yhwach vs x is pointless imo, so i am happy to hear that you will do that as well.

[@OmniDan26]

headcannon. Next.

[@jonsolo7343]

False

[@BlackBladeSombra]

Ah yes. Let's take away a character's abilities because they are not fair! XD I can't with you people.

[@arthurmorgan835]

If i remember correctly, dosen't Hakai also erase a being across all time but it didnt work on Zamasu because of the time ring essentially making him an anomaly like Reverse Flash?

[@key2shawn154]

Yes

[@roywempor8395]

wrong

[@matijasostojic4288]

Uh no. Beerus and Whis can't normally kill immortalls. They do have some unrevealed tehnique for it but Hakai couldn't kill an immortal. Also its only existance erasure, not conceptual so no time shenanigans.

[@drarsen33]

How do you blitz someone who knew that fighting is going to happen and that you are going to try to blitz him?

[@DrugsAreForWinners]

Same way everyone with pre-cognition loses, you have to be fast enough to react to it. Current Goku is so much faster than Yhawch it’s almost depressing. Dude couldn’t even dream of blinking before his head would pop off.

[@andrei-cezarbleaje5519]

@@DrugsAreForWinners still loses , goku can't turn off almighty .

[@RealSlendyBoi]

Wait a God damn Sam hell minute. How is it that Ywach with all the power of the Sternritters is so powerful that it is "literally impossible" for the fight to go in Goku's favor?

[@HeatedVortex]

Toaster scaling beings of such high levels of power is amazing considering how you do it but at the same time why does it matter since that those 2 characters will NEVER fight or cross paths to begin with so the fact that people are calling you a fraud is just showing how gokutards or anybody who meatrides goku can act. That being said I’m not trying to start a unnecessary argument because I love goku as a character but there are other characters that will literally 1shot him. It’s not worth arguing about it anymore, what ifs are in my honest opinion are stupid.

[@ToasterXD]

That Reddit post got me dying lmfaooo

[@ImaPullThru]

Yea but goku’s slams yhwach🤷🏽‍♂️

[@mishaamyousuf1834]

Goku still destroys

[@Upsilon1984]

Yhwach can just become Goku with all his abilties and power

[@abhijeetgolder7535]

Uhh see darvin vs world breaker hulk you will understand what will happen.

[@jestemniewazny7295]

i dont think he can, i mean he couldnt take uryu's powers

[@Fun4luve]

So been debating this for a few days now, at least in youtube polls so not a true debate I suppose, but been debating Dante vs Kratos and I was wondering if you could go over it you seem quite trust worthy. ik you've went over both in different video's but I'd appreciate it, I'm on the side of my boy Dante of course but that's irrelevant if you do it I suppose.

[@sinicule]

i don’t think it’s close really

[@mrafishonascreen2986]

@@sinicule Dante has insane scaling 9th dimensional stuff.

[@redace4821]

Dante win in most case but it's difficult to prove either one of them feats because alot are just statement or speculation and not visible feats for obvious reasons (you wouldn't want the ingame to run at actual light speed now do you?)

[@costinvelicu3534]

I like how he just throwed that hax abilities don't work on Goku because he has plot armor in an scalling discussion :))

[@A62643]

11:41 theres no way u said that 😭

[@guyjsutguy9230]

It’s true tho

[@A62643]

​@@guyjsutguy9230nah

[@guyjsutguy9230]

@@A62643it is 🙂

[@jafsjafs8820]

DBS Goku in base>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> all opm characters including that pathetic baldhead.

[@emonkhan1443]

The thing is, goku fights faster than ywach can think. Unlike abilities that activate itself or are always activated ywach's Almighty need to to thought to be activated. On top of that goku can skip time too and isn't technically bounded by it also.

[@peenutbutter820]

its always active once he took it back from hasch it was active the entire time. Thats the thing also wouldn't matter he can see all possible futures even the one where goku somehow gets to his universe or vice versa your point is mute.

[@valerwolf255]

@@atatsuke101exactly well said I was going to say this.

[@Gallacant]

​@@atatsuke101yhwach Can regenerate. Goku Has historically an extremely bad win record versus People who can regenerate. Goku actually cannot permanently kill him.

[@anoaboadosaro]

@@Gallacant hakai

[@Gallacant]

@@anoaboadosaro yhwach: * ReSpawns*

[@dxrkskies3872]

Goku would probably just increase his ki to push through most hacks yhwach may have. Goku may be a low multiversal threat within his own universe by the end of the tournament of power but you gotta consider each universe holds their own infinite layers of the afterlife on top of the physical universe

[@BigBlacKMan90210]

If you think that way then you should also agree with Goku not being able to see any soul reapers and Ichigo, Ichibei, Aizen and Zaraki being able to fuck Goku up without him even knowing

[@jaycash7490]

Yhwach could go into the future and kill him with almighty, u cant beat time manipulation.

[@dxrkskies3872]

@@BigBlacKMan90210 theoretically, he could because of God ki and I’m sure that sounds like such an annoying response so even if I give you that point it really would not be a versus battle then. It would be the equivalent of any other character killing him in his sleep so I can’t really speak on the subject if that’s your winning condition.

[@Kodeuk]

@@jaycash7490funny how Zamasu did that and it never affected present Goku 🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@Yoexlol]

@@Kodeukbc he isn’t yhwach lmao bleach characters are the strongest verse after dbz

[@Fuegoaries]

Nah bro that caught me off guard “vegito turns into a candy ball and is still able to solo all of one punch man”😂😂 it’s crazy cause bro rlly can solo verses as a candy

[@kirinashia567]

I feel like in a vs match the dragon ball generalized ability to overpower hax by being stronger shouldn't be applied in a neutral fighting ground. Everyone in dragon ball "has it" because that's an inherent rule to the db verse, imo. Now, it's another debate to be had on whether that kind of rule should apply in a matchup like this because both verses have at least some form of that (but, bleach is a solid amount more inconsistent about it... they say that you can overpower it but weaker characters can still pull things, like Shinji Hirako's reversal bankai.

[@sageoverheaven]

In Bleach, the difference between characters' reiatsu needs to be insane. Base Aizen from the arrancar saga is a relevant and notable threat even in CFYOW. The only characters that could feasibly do it are Ichigo, Aizen, Yhwach, etc. Even then, it needs to be consciously done; Ichigo's not experienced in using his reiatsu the way Aizen does to soul crush. Hence he got suckered by Askin.

[@kysondobbs3941]

So basiclly you had to nerf yhwach for goku to beat him smh.

[@154Mamba]

Fr

[@koz3ris252]

he upscaled yhwach way past his best, even if we use your altered words he still gets neg diff

[@kysondobbs3941]

@@koz3ris252 No he wouldnt lmao

[@koz3ris252]

@@kysondobbs3941 he would speed blitz yhwach not to mention dbz character are showed to resist hax and any other manipulation by getting stronger or raising their power to the point where hax dont even work against them and the only way you can fight them is if you get stronger.

[@kysondobbs3941]

@@koz3ris252 no all yhwach has to do to stop that from happening is litteraly belive that he is faster then goku and stronger then him. and then believe that goku never lived and then goku never lives 🤷‍♂️. that just one of his abilities. and it not even in his top five. and if he dies then he will just reverse time and change reality. there’s no way he beat him in his concept form. you can’t argue this with me.

[@nipahnoob]

Do composite Goku vs composite Yhwach next.

[@Chadzilla69955]

no need composite xeno or cc goku

[@123GOHANZ]

CC and Xeno Goku are absolute demons

[@Fw_Nox]

Lmao no needed Composite it would be too Overkill 💀💀

[@nicholasaugello2534]

God Fusion Goku is literally too strong for literally any cross verse discussion alone

[@Nobody-zq9pu]

@@nicholasaugello2534 composite ywach stomps

[@flamingdeathbanana]

Remember, According to Vados, Jiren literally surpasses Time. And Goku was throwing hands with that guy.

[@QuincyRichardson-p7n]

Thanks Ima use that when someone says that bleach Roger uses l future ability