Is Imaginarium Theater HARDER Than Spiral Abyss?

[@fs9_02]

The hardest thing here is the character requirements.

[@MinhTran-fm5oy]

It's endgame content. It's not meant for everyone.

[@harpye9267]

@@MinhTran-fm5oy nah endgame content shouldnt just be have 20 characters at level 70

[@bleachinmyeyespls]

​@@MinhTran-fm5oy i dont think you understand what endgame content is bud. Forcing you to thinly spread your materials across a bunch of character in order to just be able to play the content is not logical. The only people who can play it are either people who spend on the game or who have been playing since basically the start of the game. Im ar 58 almost 59, ive completed almost everything, id consider you are in the endgame once you have hit ar 50 - 55 as at that point theres not much left to do other than exploring. And i literally cant play the new mode they released. And the fact that they release it now, after so many years, when so many players may have spread their mats more on certain elements than others just makes this become a massive issue. Now people who have even been playing for 3+ years cant complete it sometimes simply because they didnt decide to build a certain elements or two characters, or pull for characters of that element.

[@fs9_02]

​​@@RedDragon-h6sThis game is such a joke that they're trying their hardest to cater to childish stuff recently (the current "Region of War"). Not to mention being greedy with this downgrade version of self modeling resin thing. Speaking of endgame stuff, they could've take some notes from WuWa gamemode which is 10x more fun. What a huge letdown.

[@joji_tek]

​@@MinhTran-fm5oyI can experience endgame content in monster hunter in like a few days or so if I start now. I can experience genshin's "endgame" content after like a year or more of non-stop playing if I start now.

[@alfredxsiv]

The gamemode itself is better as the buffs feels more roguelike now compared to before. Before it was just random buffs that most of cast can't even use and not that significant in terms of dealing more damage, now its feels more significant and it actually has some unique effects like additional generation of bloom cores etc. I would also like to see more of the unique effects of bosses like that hydro vishap (similar to that one event where the oceanid had unique moves rather than just summoning hydro mimics), as it requires you to actually think in advance which character you should save to specifically counter that boss. The main problem i have rn is the character 'availability' for people to play the gamemode. There are 3 ways to i can think of tackling this problem. 1) Is that there should also be trial characters not just on the starting cast, but you're limited on how many trial characters you can bring e.g. you can pick max 2 trial characters you don't have in the 2nd selection screen. 2) We can add more supporting cast members, right now we can only bring 1 character from our friends which is kinda underwhelming. With more, it will actually feel like we are helping our friends/friends actually helping us. 3) improvement in the overall gacha system e.g. more banners, better chronicled banner, 4-star pity system etc. This way people can see and pull for the characters they are missing, and have roughly a month to build them to a serviceable level. Though this problem is only really present in the hardest difficulty, as it is designed to be played after a long time of playing genshin. The easier modes are there for a reason, for those who don't qualify yet for the harder/hardest difficulty. But i would still like to see improvements as mentioned here. Another thing i would also like be improved a bit more is the difficulty, though its a really hard thing to balance since players who barely qualify for the gamemode i can see struggling, but for veterans who have played the games for years it can be a bit too easy.

[@abombernation3254]

Adding these will make it too easy. Adding these things that make it easy to meet the requirement which ruins the challenge of being forced to use maybe characters that aren’t built well and running teams with filler characters and having strong units to carry

[@miikoochu]

There is such a little amount of 4 star characters of these elements that without 5 stars it's really hard

[@AbsoluteOnigiriya]

Returnee here ( skipped the majority of Inazuma and all of Sumeru, played during Fontaine's 4.1), I was lucky enough to get 10 star this IT, I started planning and getting multiple characters to lv 70, get them their desired mainstats, a weapon (mostly Fav) as soon as I heard the announcement for this gamemode. It hurts alot to not have any Denro option aside Collei,DMC,Kirara. I enjoyed this gamemode quite a bit now, it requires some amount of planning ahead like which characters to use early and which to save until bosses or CC-able chambers, my only issue with this is the Element restriction, for example Cryo, I have every Cryo characters that I like so I wouldn't want to pull on any more Cryo, but if one day a Cryo centered theater shows up, I will have to rely on other elements to meet the requirement ( if they ever decide to do Cryo Denro Geo Im cooked, but I guess its unlikely because there isnt any interactions between these elements ). I don't know how to remedy this, and all I can do is to prepare for the worst, thats not very fun.

[@AlyssaSheeran]

This month's theater was so much fun! There is so much you can do with dendro element and the elemental reactions buffs are so helpful. It the first time I cleared up to 8-8, I need more characters to beat the last stage tho.

[@video-cv3ov]

I really enjoyed playing thise trial charcater that can even be used at act 7 and 8 on visionary mode i had at act 7 mualani trial dehya trial and thomas and emilie trial it was ez

[@maroons95]

act 8 and act 10 required dendro make me sad when i wasted all my dendro unit at the start of the theater 😭

[@AT90]

Yes, i was forced to begin from start because of that

[@jono3785]

you can watch youtube run before doing these, lol. that 8th was hard for me not because i lack of dendro but there was no effective dps left to use🤣 im too focused on blessing but forgot about getting character card luckily i can get childe in last round and kill the inquisitor quickly😅

[@ryankriller1931]

I didnt use dendro for act 10 but boy did i regret using up my dendro characters

[@aethernity8270]

U should have checked the enemies first

[@DawnHibiki]

So happy that I have enough adequate Hydro, Pyro, and Dendro units for this theater! I wouldn't have gotten 10 stars if it weren't for them.

[@himynameis4428]

One endgame mode requires many built up characters to some degree while the other endgame mode requires somewhere between 7-8 really well built characters in order to beat them. Perfectly balanced if you ask me. Also, love your videos Been learning quite a big deal from you to beat the abyss !

[@knightmare4808]

Imaginarium Theater is very interesting for me,it forces you to plan ahead instead of using a few meta team for basicaly every abyss cycle and think of "unique and interesting teams".I also really love the vibe and soundtrack as well. But there's the one possible downside of not having enough correct character/built character (One way to solve this could be through a 4* selector for every main event,and maybe adding more 4* to the starglitter shop,they could also increase trial characters) Building charcters to just 70 is quite quick now that we have 200 resin cap and world level 9(Though i do hope they could buff leyline reward,and maybe weapon/talent domain in the future,and maybe make 240 resin cap reachable in 24hours)

[@GenshinYuppe]

erm, i feel it's more like choosing which character to discard early on because you have no choice. if they let you use a incomplete teams then i might agree.

[@yuvx8516]

IT is fine, but on other side it exposes the fact building characters in genshin just way too slow. I wish they increase the amount of resources player can get on every patch. It may be through event or buffing leylines/domain directly

[@lumsalo]

Kinda strange that wl9 only increased boss and mob drops, without new levels for domains, weekly bosses, leylines

[@fuminek0]

Hoyo's pushing HARD for players to buy bp LMAO.

[@concerninghobbits5536]

Please. I buy every single battlepass and use my resin every day but it's still a struggle. When I started it wasn't so bad between not being far enough to push for level 80-90 but now as I have more need for maxing out characters and talents and mora and levels and books and monster drops and gems, but then I ALSO need to spend all of my resin for a month to get a good artifact set?? I just wish that I could get artifacts and level materials without feeling like I constantly have to choose between five resources that I need all five of. And they add more characters and you pull more, between levelling exciting new five stars and trying to catch up its a lot. I still need to at least kinda build like Charlotte, Gaming, Keqing, Tighnari, Collei, Ningguang, Yunjin(? Why am I blanking on her name? Opera girlie), to name a few, and I need work on like Wanderer, Yae Miko, Bennett, Xiangling, Xingqiu, Raiden (she's pretty well built for Nahida but not for using as an on field), Fischl, Yanfei, and a few more. Like the battlepass is mandatory for how many I have thoroughly built but at first it kept me ahead for a few months and now it just lets me finish building my newest five star and then I'm completely and entirely broke. Oh and weapon materials!!

[@concerninghobbits5536]

@@lumsaloyeah I think this would be the cleanest "solution" right now. Just add level 90 versions of all of them. And PLEASE FOR THE LOVE OF GOD A WAY TO ACTUALLY GET WEAPON BILLETS THEY JUST ADD MORE AND MORE CRAFTABLES AND I WENT LIKE A YEAR WITHOUT A CATALYST. Like at least let me trade my useless claymore billets for other weapons like how you can exchange them for other regional billets, I DONT NEED ANY CLAYMORES I HAVE THREE OF THE STRONGEST ONES AND LIKE TWO CLAYMORE USERS LEVELLED.

[@lumsalo]

@@concerninghobbits5536 oh yeha, the billets, I noticed it too. Never crafted a lot of catalysts before, only one copy of eachz tried to refine ring of Yaxche, but turns out after almost 3 years of active play I have in total only 5 catalyst billets. Meanwhile i have 3 R5 swords and 2 R5 claymores with spare billets still

[@mariposa001]

this one wasnt too bad because of the buffs, they definitely help a lot if you choose it correctly. it would be so much better if they increased the vigor to 3 or 4

[@keriht]

i just know i'll most likely be unable to join even hard mode in the next iteration since the required elements are electro, pyro and geo (this is not a leak, it's in the 5.0 patch notes).

[@ronnieketchum1241]

I see probably the only person who chose buffs over characters. Damn

[@Zephyrion22]

Mode is really good as far as playstyle goes. I would really like for either more trial units, and/or for the game to do like in HSR for example and auto-adjust all your roster to lv70 with talents and weapons if they have nothing equipped.

[@phucvu7872]

The lack of characters leveled and built is the hardest part. I had to reset a lot of times because the characters couldn't do anything in time T_T

[@ronnieketchum1241]

This is why bro is bro. F'ING AMBER carry

[@GenshinYuppe]

tl;dr i do a lot of abyss for fun. i have never played this mode for fun since it launched. i guess that answers what i think of it.

[@abdulrahmanzubairu8371]

The er on trial characters can be so bad

[@lanceelopezz223]

beat my head against the challenge with 22 qualified characters. peeps. just bring 26 dudes. the buffs should reaaally help.

[@overseasstudent]

the hardest thing in this game mode is the rng. it is completely bullshit but somehow i got all the 10 flowers.

[@themasterdou]

This cycle of IT was very easy for me, first 10 stars I got and was on Visionary mode, probably because I have most of my dendro and pyro units decently build.

[@louisaniathemagnificent8246]

I like IT! It's actually fun unlike spiral abyss and it forces you to think outside of meta. Although you can just save your strongest characters for the end, it feels rewarding to be playing non-meta teams, especially with the new blessings they added which help the weaker characters. Although I dont like that they increased the character requirement, 22 characters is too much. Im a day 1 player but cant play visionary mode because im missing 2 characters lmao. I'll be getting Kinich and hopefuly get lucky and get Chevreuse so then I can complete visionary mode, but there was no reason to increase character requirments. And i agree, they definitely need to add more trial characters and increase their ER.

[@dcakadark]

hardest part is actually get their fitst copy lol good luck getting them as a new player

[@shrimpflavoredchips9122]

As someone who skipped alhaitham, arlecchino, and neuvillette this one is much harder for me than the past anemo and cryo theaters. I just cant break down the baptist guys shields AND do dps fast enough to get the last star needed. I might either just be glad i could finish or try your burgeon strategy.

[@TheStrongestBaka]

Seems like an okay game mode now but half of our abyss resets and 25% of the layouts died for this so i'm still madge.

[@Alanari_]

Bothers me that i cant do the max difficulty because im missing 1 built character, even though i can literally invite someone else's character to complete the requirements

[@MuweiMuwei25]

Emilie with enough pyro carried me in act 1 and 2. Just picked Dehya and Emilie with 2 characters in the trash

[@Gooberrb]

It’s fine as long as I can use furina, yelan, xiangling, Bennett, raiden and nahida. I also use my friend’s Arelcchino

[@yukiwasheree]

1200 Free Primos, i love you Hoyoverse 🛐🙏

[@persephonehades7547]

I think I like visionary mode a lot. It felt like a proper challenge that I had to think about. My only complaint is that I think the ability to grab friend support characters should be increased by 2 and those should count towards the minimum 22 to enter this mode. Also I was surprised to see you use Alhaitham! I know he's not what you normally go with but it's nice to see people use him, as an Alhaitham main lol.

[@UsuratonkachiXP]

WHY?? In act 7, I have to defeat 2 abyss mages and 2 cryo lectors in just 1 minute! It's so hard it's not even funny. However every other video I see, act 7 seems to be just those flying bots which would be so much easier to defeat... why is my act 7 different?

[@GenshinYuppe]

you picked that card. you can just reset and pick something else if you want.

[@aungmyat6783]

It is better to have no geo, cuz I don't have any of that element characters.

[@jono3785]

ultimately easier than old imaginarium, altho i still struggle with monolith and 9th round, but thats because i lack of strategy to counter it, not because lack of character and investment

[@adventuresightion3917]

I ran out of characters for act 8. I don’t even know how that happened. Wish we could just use 2 party squads. Why are you making me use all the good characters in one squad?😭

[@Glacorite]

While I do love the new Elemental reaction blessings you can potentially obtain and toy around with. So far, I find imaginarium theater to be a cycle of, "try to use up your weak characters early on, then spam all your op characters later on whenever needed." And if you're trying to go for all 10 stars without relying on OP gear, you basically need to pray that you have the right characters to form a decent team comp at the right time. Which can feel quite frustrating since you'll have to restart all the way back. (EDIT: Same applies to blessings. You're not restarting because you played poorly like in spiral abyss, you're restarting because you didn't get the correct blessings at the right time.) Great thing they're optional, minus the 1-time achievements.

[@kurokenstein]

I got 34 stars in Abyss and I got 9 stars in IT, so for both are hard 😂

[@blue._sam]

What's that water wave in the floor i didn't see it while playing

[@jono3785]

2nd level blessing of vaporize, make sure to use them all to help your run, they really helpful for any player

[@tothetopid]

Keqing spiral 5.0?

[@freshaccount4709]

It's kinda hard the nightmare mode

[@trashstarcrazie]

yea harder to enter

[@nk30020]

As a f2p player playing for 2+ years isn't even allowed to enter the visionary mode

[@Szczurzyslawa]

I'm also f2p for 2+ years and I have no problem??

[@ninongfons]

F2P for 1 year and still beat Visionary mode with 10 stella. Focus on 5 main DPS, build the others up to Lv 70, and as said in the video, the reactions and blessings matter more now.

[@redsky397]

When the mode got anounced i just started leveling characters to 70, not even building them at all. If u have like 6 well build characters for the mode you cab clear it. Since you get some trail characters and you can steal one form a friend

[@ouro2164]

@@Szczurzyslawa pretty sure he wouldn't have any problem if it wasn't for the elemental requirements. It's RNG and you're lucky most of your characters are available. Not everything is about you tho

[@Szczurzyslawa]

@@ouro2164 That's why I asked how he has this problem. After 2 years I doubt it's up to rng, it's mostly that he didn't level his characters and that's why he has problems, not because of being f2p (like I think past theater was cryo and I don't have a single 5* cryo aside from Qiqi yet it was still totally fine). And I know rng can be crazy cuz I have 0 Xingqius but C6 Kaeya ok

[@filippoamato3473]

IT is actually funny imo but I fucking hate that it requires to have 22+ character at least to level 70, this season i only had 17 ( the last season was even worse), I don’t even have friends who plays genshin so I can’t borrow other characters and god damn it I’m wl9 😭

[@bulat9331]

I really don't like Imaginarium by design. It forces me to play characters and teams I really don't want to and it forces you into "building" or just levelling random characters you don't care about to 70 just for entrance. It pushes you into using all your dead weight early so you have competent teams for boss battles. I get what the game wants from me- To level a ton of characters, but I really don't want to play like that I'm the kind of player that carefully picks units and levels them to 81-90 and gets their relevant talents up 9-10. Like I don't want to be pushed into developing my account in a different way than I already am is what I'm saying. GOOD RUN

[@gehtoodachoppa8603]

It's the dumb restrictions that make this mode "hard" --- i.e., impossible --- not the content itself. Either the required roster size should be cut in half and vigor doubled, or just add a fourth element to the screen. People who don't have 2/3 of the roster built are annoyed that they've played daily for years and still are locked out of the content entirely, and people who have played (or whaled) long enough to have the loads of characters required are bored by the trivial difficulty. It's basically designed to disappoint everyone who plays the game. But the one thing I resent as much as the elemental limitation and high roster check is that they keep wasting slots in the trial lineup on units that everyone is guaranteed to have for free. Last month it was Barbara, this month it's Xiangling. These brain dead picks for "free" characters are helpful to noone because you get these units so early that most people will have had them built ages ago, and the trial builds for them are hot trash. So on top of scraping to have barely enough to even start the mode, I'm crippled by a dead slot in the "free" characters they offer. Guarantee when Geo finally rolls around the trial lineup will include Noelle and Kachina, or probably both. There is no reason for the trial lineup ever to include a character guaranteed for free in a permanent banner or event, except maybe when they are just released like Kachina and most people won't have built her yet and are trying to decide if they want to.

[@fuminek0]

Theater is fundamentally broken because the elemental system IS fundamentally broken. Superconduct has been dead on the water since 1.0. Anemo has been carried by a singular artifact set since 1.0. Crystalize has only recieved a minor "buff" in the form of Kachina's c6 -something that should have been at a baseline since launch. Want to play Xiao, Wanderer? Well they both want Faruzan. Let's hope you have Jean's C4 then. Oh yeah her shred only applies to enemies standing in her healing circle. Thug life. Bloom and overload are carried by one character each, the first by a hydro 5* with zero permanent hp% sword options and the other by a 4* support that has yet to rerun once. Btw the new Liyue 4* pyro dps reran four months after his debut. Neat. Oh remember Itto? Bozzo wants 3 of the same element to reach peak performance. In team breakin' 2: elemental boongaloo. It's been four years and our best off-field pyro applicator is still Miss i need 250% ER to burst every rotation -with funneling btw. And let's not even dwell on character rarities. Candace being the most recent hydro 4* after two years should be considered a warcrime. Boons and buffs are but sticks and tape that hold together this mess of a gamemode. And some players want floor 12 difficulty in theater's next iterations? What a sick joke. I would advise to look up forthcoming lineups to better manage resources and have more time to prepare (up to two months more than the unknowing player). Gacha games don't deserve the benefit of the doubt.

[@krumi_hazuki1440]

Next cycle will be geo and opening character will be ningguang

[@GenshinYuppe]

@@fuminek0 this game definitely needs more: 4 star characters 3 star weapons (we haven't got a single new 3 star weapon since launch) 3~4 star artifact sets (same) i mean come on. 90% of what we get from wishes is 3 star garbage. at least make it so there's more cool stuff like TTDS or harbringer of dawn we can get from that.

[@MultiWouf]

22 characters though... The game told me I was 1 short, and I will not use boy characters. I really don't think many people will get to play visionary mode every patch

[@GenshinYuppe]

that sounds like a you problem though

[@marianbeczkowski4390]

Yes, and it's so annoying, shows that game fighting is clunky